Ashes by Now

The Edmonton Oilers added three players via free agency yesterday and improved some important areas. The penalty kill has more suitable options and there are more actual NHL players on the roster than yesterday. Work remains, but the overall thrust of this summer matches what we discussed back in April. Peter Chiarelli kept his powder dry, refrained from the aggressive trade that hurts him, and is now left with roster structure and balance. He’ll need someone to blossom as a scoring right winger but there are a few good candidates.

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NEW 50-MAN ROSTER

  • Four new names added, Mikko Koskinen could very well emerge as the most impactful. He is a complete wild card. The goalie prices were kind of crazy but there are still a few interesting names available. Robin Lehner is out there, I wonder if he could be had for a more reasonable cap today.
  • Tobias Rieder and Kyle Brodziak are excellent pickups, considering Edmonton’s lack of cap and cachet entering the biding this weekend. I’ve listed Rieder as a left winger but if the kids can’t grab the available jobs on that side, we could see Draisaitl center Rieder on RW.
  • Kevin Gravel is a wildcard acquisition, there are health concerns and he’s a defensive defenseman. Still the Oilers like his speed and there’s a good chance we see him play NHL games in 2018-19.

CHIARELLI’S NEEDS LIST

  • A scoring winger capable of sliding up and down the depth chart as required (the answer may be internal, with Jesse Puljujarvi, Kailer Yamamoto and Ty Rattie all lined up on the runway. Tobias Rieder may emerge as an option here if the trio of hopefuls falter).
  • A two-way forward who can provide veteran presence on the third or fourth line (Tobias Rieder and Kyle Brodziak both qualify).
  • A second-pairing defender (patience may require this solution arrives later, and it might be Matt Benning until Evan Bouchard is ready).
  • A backup goalie (Mikko Koskinen).

ASSETS OUT LIST

  • Milan Lucic.  No idea what the market might be for the big man.
  • Zack KassianHe’s likely in a few conversations.
  • 2019 first-round pickIt would have lots of value.
  • Oscar Klefbom. The OEL signing has him moving down my list (from No. 1).
  • Jesse Puljujarvi. He’s vulnerable, suspect they’ll regret dealing the big man.
  • Ryan Strome. Oilers may want to reset that third line.
  • Andrej Sekera. Injury unknown likely keeps him here.
  • Kris Russell. NMC probably keeps him here.
  • Cam Talbot. I don’t believe it but his name is out there.

REMAINING OILERS FREE AGENTS

  • G Nick Ellis RFA. Retired.
  • G Laurent Brossoit UFASigned with the Jets ($650,000).
  • LD Darnell Nurse RFA. Qualified, sounds like a contract is closer.
  • RD Matt Benning RFA. Signed, more responsibility on the way.
  • LD Yohann Auvitu UFA. Rumored heading back to Europe, no contract yet.
  • RD Mark Fayne UFA. Crickets on his next destination.
  • LD Keegan Lowe UFA. Signed, he will push for No. 7D.
  • LD Dillon Simpson UFA. Signed with Columbus, $675,000 times two.
  • LD Joey Laleggia UFA. I’ll guess he signs in Vancouver as a defenseman.
  • LD Ben Betker RFA. Destination unknown.
  • RC Ryan Strome RFA. Qualified, contract soon.
  • RC Kyle Platzer RFA. He will land somewhere in the AHL imo.
  • LC Grayson Downing UFA. Likely to land another AHL deal.
  • L Mike Cammalleri UFA. He can still do some things, might get NHL chance.
  • L Drake Caggiula RFA. Signed, yesterday’s moves may reduce role.
  • L Braden Christoffer RFA. Signed an AHL deal.
  • R Anton Slepyshev RFA. Signed with CSKA Moscow, two years.
  • R Iiro Pakarinen RFA. Signed one-year deal with Magnita, KHL.
  • R Patrick Russell. RFA. Signed, outside chance he sees NHL cup of coffee.
  • R Brian Ferlin UFA. Health is the big story.

PROJECTED LINEUP AND CAP

  • I put Tobias Rieder on a skill line, mostly because it allows the top 6F to have more speed. I’m uncertain he could keep the job alongside Leon but it might be worth a try. Takes the pressure off Lucic.
  • I placed Kailer Yamamoto and Jesse Puljujarvi on the skill lines, because if the Oilers don’t address right wing the most likely scenario involves Ty Rattie not holding on to that 1R job. No disrespect, he was amazing in Portland, but his career trajectory makes my scenario the most likely result based on the current situation.
  • Kevin Gravel is placed at No. 7 defense, I’m still thinking that spot goes to Keegan Lowe.

PETER CHIARELLI

A solid offseason so far, I think it’s fair to give the general manager credit. It isn’t a perfect summer, that $2.5 million he used on an unproven goaltender would have been useful yesterday, not to mention the $300,000 of cap lost on the Gryba buyout.

It’s also true that most of the roster problems and cap issues currently seen were self-inflicted, so giving credit comes with an explanation. That said, the moves yesterday will help the penalty kill and speed on the roster. There are more options.

  • Chiarelli on Rieder: The one year deal is a good fit in general but if he hits it out of the park, we’ll be paying for him next year. But it gives him a platform. He’s a fast, quick player who closes in on pucks quick. We are looking for speed up and down the lineup, and he fits that. “

There’s room to grow with this team and Rieder is young enough to hang around for several years if things break right. My article at The Athletic drills down on his usage in Arizona and how things might change in Edmonton, thus allowing him to wheel and produce more offense. A solid signing.

  • Chiarelli: “It’s possible we could add another forward. We were close on a couple of things today, including a trade. We could possibly add a center at the depth position.”

There are shoes to drop, Evan Bouchard signing could have an impact on the NHL roster and the RFA’s Nurse and Strome have to get done. I think we’ll see one more trade. Peter Chiarelli’s future as general manager is surely on the line, and there’s too much reliance on the department of youth on the current roster.

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  1. rickithebear says:

    Russ:
    The game is GF- GA.
    The critical ratios are.
    1. HDsh:LDsh ratio
    17.5%:3.5%
    5:1

    2. Pocession efficiency
    Most say what is the Corsi and look at largely .1 to +/-7% variance
    I say who and see Goal efficiency variances up to 400%.

    3. Zone entry.
    Most ask did the d prevent entry.
    I ask. Did the forwards run a NZ trap. It can be 100 – 300% more critical to preventing entry.

    4. HD dpair shot count
    A variance of 100%.
    That is why the save% average range established by Dpairs is .897 to .935

    5. Open shot rate of D can have reduction rates greater than 50%.

    Reg season is about getting the best GF/GA teams into the playoffs healthy.
    Large ample size success measures
    Playoffs is about winning a Championship
    Same sample size success measures

    By structure of unit 3fwd – 2D – G

    Reg season
    HD Defence Fwds on perimeter and 2 d in HD area.
    Playoffs
    HD d tighter and Forwards collapse tighter in with more aggressive block positioning.

    Reg season
    Volume shooters can be successful. Pocession efficiency is not as critical over 82 gm.

    Playoffs
    HD penetration efficiency becomes critical in 20-28 gm playoff sample.
    Volume shooters efficiency is a detriment to playoff success.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Paddy Morans Jockstrap:
    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Voyanov is an obvious candidate for the 2nd pair right defense slot. His actions were reprehensible, but he is still married to woman in question, and I think her level of forgiveness is far more important than what any individual fan thinks on the issue. Group punishment that includes the victim is not noble behavior, it’s virtue signaling. Additionally, the Oilers have a senior manager whose careless actions resulted in the death of a woman and the fanbase on the whole seems perfectly willing to forgive and forget that event.

    I really have no desire to be part of this conversation but I don’t think any of us have any idea if there is any level of forgiveness from his wife. For all we know she remains with him for fear of her life. I’m not saying there is no forgiveness, maybe she does forgive him 100% but I think the opposite opinion is just as likely.

  3. ashley says:

    This is a pretty solid roster. A little weak on D after the top 3 (Larsson, Nurse, Klef) but there are many successful teams with a similiar weak spot. And it’s relative. We’re not talking about Peckham, Strudwick, Kurtis Foster, and Chorney at 4-7.

    With some luck on the health front, I expect this team to make the playoffs.

    I’m looking forward to the season.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Calgary improved their team more than the Oilers, and finished ahead of them last year. Another lottery pick may be in the future.

    Subjective, not fact.

    Calgary may be worse.

  5. texmex says:

    Richard S.S.,

    True, but if he comes to Edmonton it is for 1 year max

  6. texmex says:

    Richard S.S.</i

    I suspect he’d rather spend the season in Ottawa then hit UFA rather than join the oilers. It’s the sad reality that players prefer big markets.

  7. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Hamonic was better without brodie?
    Not a single defender played 100 min with Hamonic 5v5 other than Brodie.I dont think any conclusion can be made with such small data samples especially that Hamonic was more likely to be bumped down..Brodie is also known to turn better playing right side

    Otherwise for spending as much money as they just did the Flames made themselves minimally better.When Smith pulls his groin their season is done.

    I still dont get why they kept going with Brodie on the PP when Museum boy was clearly the better option

    Brodie had 257 min away from Hamonic. Hamonic had 217 away from Brodie.

    Together
    51.3% CF
    45.2% GF

    Hamonic apart
    51.6% CF
    47.1% GF

    Brodie apart
    48.7% CF
    48.5% GF

    Hamonic’s partners away
    Kulak 54.4%
    Giordano 50.9%
    Stone 42.4%

    Brodie’s partners away
    Stone 48.2%
    Hamilton 50%

    I’m going to have to agree with you on the sample size of WOWY.

    Also,

    I listened to a PDOcast with Dimitri Filipovic today (usually they’re pretty good) and he had Cat Silverman on. She writes about Blackhawks for the Athletic, worked in Amateur Player Development for ARI, is a goalie and basically has been around the game forever.

    It was her contention that CAR’s goalie woes stem from Bill Peters’ systems.

    I have heard that before and some of the blame was put on Peter’s demanding that the goalie play the puck often in certain situations.

    Mike Smith loves to handle the puck so it might be a match made in heaven, but I wonder….

  8. rickithebear says:

    Side: Drunk driving is 100% intentional. But I don’t believe the drunk drivers have the intent on killing someone when they do drink and drive. Drunk drivers typically just want to go from point A to B without getting caught and not hit and kill someone.

    Compared to Slava, who 100% did what he did intentionally.

    Cops who deal with vehicle homicide.
    Say it is the same as taking a gun and blindly shooting in a bar.

    I did not think I would hurt anyone!

    When you drive to the bar.
    You knowingly brought the damn gun to the bar.

    As for domestics.
    My 2 charities is
    nearest Family shelter
    Kids for Cancer.

    The martinsville Taxi service:
    brutal domestic abusers getting a lovely winter ride.

  9. anonymous says:

    Richard S.S.:
    texmex,

    He wants out – those lists mean very little right now.

    Sure it does. He’s holding the hammer.

  10. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    1) I think overall Peters runs his systems in each discipline with the most optimistic view of what his players can do, when it works you get the 2016-17 4v5 magic

    2) Most goalies who love to handle the puck, Smith included, seem to hurt more than they help

    3) Something I’ve been thinking about looking at for Calgary is whether the 3M line and Gio-Hamilton had an entirely symbiotic relationship, or if one was a slight drag on the other, or what, because that lines numbers always seemed absurd to me

  11. Paddy Morans Jockstrap says:

    OriginalPouzar: I really have no desire to be part of this conversation but I don’t think any of us have any idea if there is any level of forgiveness from his wife.For all we know she remains with him for fear of her life.I’m not saying there is no forgiveness, maybe she does forgive him 100% but I think the opposite opinion is just as likely.

    Well then why don’t we give the women the dignity of making that decision herself as an independent person instead of treating her like a “ward of the state” who is unable to make a politically correct decision. I have no idea if Slava is sorry, if he has reformed, or if she truly forgives him. He might, might. not. I don’t know and neither does anyone else without intimate contact.

    Frankly my baseline opinion is that people rarely make fundamental changes. Abuse of any sort (alcohol, drugs, violence, gambling, self-harm) is a lifelong struggle. But the compassionate stance is to give people a chance (or several), support them, and try help them turn their lives around instead of going “old testament” on them to make yourself feel virtuous.

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    You’re looking at half the ledger.

    Shots for stats make Benning look better than he is and Russell worse than he is.

    How about defensive stats? How better is Russell on the left?

    Also the coach knew what we’d get from Russell and he pretty much delivered. The GM made a huge bet on the other three players and they didn’t, and we’re making the same bet again this year with a bigger price tag.

    I’m looking at the whole ledger. For and against.

    My whole post is % so its for and against.

    Benning is better in total shots and goals than Russell. For and against.

    Shots For/60
    Benning 33.0
    Russell 30.0

    Shots Against/60
    Benning 31.9
    Russell 31.7

    Goals For/60
    Benning 2.66
    Russell 2.16

    Goals Against/60
    Benning 2.50
    Russell 2.67

    You should really look this stuff up before declaring things to be true that are not true.

  13. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yeah I typically throw away numbers under 100 min and glance at numbers between 100-200 min kind of like can’t wait for the pie to cool before eating it.
    Harmonics second most common partner was like 74 min with Kulak and things can get so circumstantial why the pairings were broken up. Games with a 3 goal lead or deficit? Injury?

    Brodie will be better with Giordano. We know that. But will it be like Giordano Museumboy How will Hanifin do with Hamonic? Guessing not great Can that 3rd pair hold things together

  14. leadfarmer says:

    I hope Chia knows when to pack up the cards to go home. He not had a lot of trade nibbles likely NMC related but I’d be willing to bet he’s been sniffing around Karlsson and Skinner, maybe Krug. Hope he doesn’t force the issue

  15. Side says:

    rickithebear: Cops who deal with vehicle homicide.
    Say it is the same as taking a gun and blindly shooting in a bar.

    I did not think I would hurt anyone!

    When you drive to the bar.
    You knowingly brought the damn gun to the bar.

    As for domestics.
    My 2 charities is
    nearest Family shelter
    Kids for Cancer.

    The martinsville Taxi service:
    brutal domestic abusers getting a lovely winter ride.

    I feel like if you replaced every drunk driver with a person walking into a bar and blindly firing a gun, the world would be a much more dangerous place.

    I definitely agree with the point the cop is making though. A lot of people underestimate how dangerous drunk driving is.

  16. Richard S.S. says:

    For the 1st nine games, I expect the D to be Klefbom & Larsson; Sekera & Bouchard; Russell & Benning; and Nurse when Bouchard is in the Lineup. When Bouchard is out of the Lineup the D should be Klefbom & Larsson; Sekera & Benning; Nurse & Russell and Bouchard This could continue if Bouchard stays. If he goes down, I expect Kevin Gravel brought up.

  17. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99: Obviously, but the whole sum is a percentage of shots for, which is offensive in nature. Or at the least is a plus-minus style stat where players better on defense than offense are punished, and every defenseman allows shots and goals, so it’s hard to get the value from the data.

    Expected goals is also an offensive metric extrapolated from the shots for metric.

    Doesn’t measure how poorly Benning played without the puck this year, only meaures his effect on the percentage of shots for or contributions of goals scored. Both are team stats divided by the 10 skaters on the ice at any time, distilling a team contribution along with what the opposition does into an indivdual player number.

    Not to mention, shot quality isn’t measured at all, only raw totals, unless you use something like Dangerous Fenwick.

    Anyone who looks at numbers knows that Russell isn’t shown favorably on shot metrics.

    Defensive metrics exist, and LT uses one of them during the season.

    Since we dropped from 212 to 263 goals against, even worse than two seasons ago, I’d think improving this would be something we’d take an interest in.

    I used Dangerous Fenwick, that’s what DFF is.

    Russell shows much better via Fenwick than corsi. I didn’t use corsi in my original post, nor the follow up one where I used shots (shots on net)

    In terms of last year’s goals against compared to the previous one, Russell had the biggest increase in goals against on the team.

    Russell Goals Against/60 in 16/17 = 1.68
    Russell Goals Against/60 in 17/18 = 2.67

    That’s a difference of 0.99/60, which is massive.

    Russell played 1280 5v5 minutes last year so his increase in GA/60 resulted in 21 more goals against when he was on the ice compared to his rate from 16/17

    If we look at 4v5 Goals against we see:

    Russell Goals Against/60 in 16/17 = 5.75
    Russell Goals Against/60 in 17/18 = 10.14

    That’s a difference of 4.39 GA/60 and Russell played 146min on the PK so that’s 11 more goals EDM gave up this year compared to last.

    So Russell was on the ice for 32 more goals against year over year and EDM gave up 51 more goals year over year.

    Russell was on the ice for 63% of the increased goals.

    If you are most concerned about goals against, it is clear that moving Russell is the first thing you do.

  18. leadfarmer says:

    I’m probably in the minority but I think offer sheets have been explored more than we are led to believe. The compensation isn’t all that much for an 8 mil dollar player. There were rumors of Draisatl having offer sheets. Now those don’t become public unless the player signs them but they likely use them in their contract negotiations

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Paddy Morans Jockstrap: Well then why don’t we give the women the dignity of making that decision herself as an independent person instead of treating her like a “ward of the state” who is unable to make a politically correct decision. I have no idea if Slava is sorry, if he has reformed, or if she truly forgives him. He might, might. not. I don’t know and neither does anyone else without intimate contact.

    Frankly my baseline opinion is that people rarely make fundamental changes. Abuse of any sort (alcohol, drugs, violence, gambling, self-harm) is a lifelong struggle. But the compassionate stance is to give people a chance (or several), support them, and try help them turn their lives around instead of going “old testament” on them to make yourself feel virtuous.

    I was merely responding to the post that assumed she’s forgiven him based on being with him.

    Could be the case – its also a massive assumption that might be 100% incorrect.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard S.S.:
    For the 1st nine games, I expect the D to be Klefbom & Larsson; Sekera & Bouchard; Russell & Benning; and Nurse when Bouchard is in the Lineup.When Bouchard is out of the Lineup the D should be Klefbom & Larsson; Sekera & Benning; Nurse & Russell and Bouchard This could continue if Bouchard stays.If he goes down, I expect Kevin Gravel brought up.

    Wait, if I read that correctly, you don’t expect Nurse to be an every day player and will be out of the lineup when Bouchard is in?

  21. rickithebear says:

    Oh my goodness WG.
    A whole 4% variance

    He woodguy!
    Quit fighting for that dry piece of bread.
    Sit at the table with me and have thanksgiving diner.

    I have seen +/- 15 CA variance from ZS FO

    Thier are Approx 80 shifts/60 and 48 FO/60

    That means thier are 32 bench change/60

    32/80 40 % of the time the coach is deciding on the fly weather you are going on with or without pocesssion. This is the Corsi turkey diner.

  22. JimmyV1965 says:

    Side: If we’re talking players who were drunk driving and killed someone by accident, the difference is that it was an accident.

    Tell the to their parents.

  23. Richard S.S. says:

    Right Wing is Tobias Rieder, Zack Kassian and a bunch of maybes. As a result the Oilers need two of Ty Rattie, Jesse Puljujarvi or Kailer Yamamoto to break out and become regular everyday NHLers. Maybe one is good enough to win the job to be McDavid’s RW.

  24. Side says:

    JimmyV1965: Tell the to their parents.

    Not sure what you’re trying to get at here, Jimmy.

  25. workaroundaccount says:

    JimmyV1965: Tell the to their parents.

    I think he used a bad example. It’s like killing a hooker.

  26. Richard S.S. says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yes.
    When Bouchard is in:
    Russell & Benning, or,
    Nurse & Benning, or,
    Nurse & Russell.
    I expect Russell & Benning most often as they are more experienced. Something needed when a rookie plays.

  27. workaroundaccount says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wait, if I read that correctly, you don’t expect Nurse to be an every day player and will be out of the lineup when Bouchard is in?

    My guess would be they run 7D when they wanna look at bouchard.

  28. rickithebear says:

    If you beat an abuser into a coma or let them freeze to death walking back from martinsville, they do not abuse any more.

    Since I believe no child should be a victim of who they are born too.
    I have a compassion standard.
    If it affects a child to the age of 16-17
    Then fuck you!

  29. workaroundaccount says:

    rickithebear:
    If you beat an abuser into a coma or let them freeze to death walking back from martinsville, they do not abuse any more.

    Since I believe no child should be a victim of who they are born too.
    I have a compassion standard.
    If it affects a child to the age of 16-17
    Then fuck you!

    That is about the gyst of it. I would like to see the league take a hard stance on this.

  30. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    1) I think overall Peters runs his systems in each discipline with the most optimistic view of what his players can do, when it works you get the 2016-17 4v5 magic

    2) Most goalies who love to handle the puck, Smith included, seem to hurt more than they help

    3) Something I’ve been thinking about looking at for Calgary is whether the 3M line and Gio-Hamilton had an entirely symbiotic relationship, or if one was a slight drag on the other, or what, because that lines numbers always seemed absurd to me

    The thing about CGY not making the playoffs last year was the collapse of GF% for the 3M line.

    It was insane and not really explicable.

    Check this out.

    Backlund (Center for 3M, which is their checking line playing the toughs for those who don’t know)

    CF%
    15/16 – 52.3%
    16/17 – 54.6%
    17/18 – 56.2%

    GF%
    15/16 – 56.6%
    16/17 – 53.1%
    17/18 – 40.4%

    PDO
    15/16 – 1001
    16/17 – 991
    17/18 – 915

    Crazy.

    Its not like CGY’s PDO fell off the map as a team either.

    CGY PDO
    15/16 – 993
    16/17 – 996
    17/18 – 987

    CGY’s entire drop in PDO is explained almost entirely by the PDO of the 3M line.

    Weirdness.

  31. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yeah I typically throw away numbers under 100 min and glance at numbers between 100-200 min kind of like can’t wait for the pie to cool before eating it.
    Harmonics second most common partner was like 74 min with Kulak and things can get so circumstantial why the pairings were broken up. Games with a 3 goal lead or deficit?Injury?

    Brodie will be better with Giordano.We know that. But will it be like Giordano MuseumboyHow will Hanifin do with Hamonic?Guessing not great Can that 3rd pair hold things together

    Re: CGY’s 3rd pair

    I like Kulak, but both Stone and Prout are not good.

  32. FunsTuff says:

    Side,

    A lot for people forget how dangerous driving is.

    I have not been hit by a drink driver but I have been hit by a sober one. He drove through two red lights at over 50km an hour and a lost 6 months of my life and enough blood to be considered dead (twice).

    A vehicle is a weapon of mass destruction that we feel privileged to and is a responsibility abused by sober people daily.

    I don’t know anyone personally affected by drunk drivers but I have lost friends to irresponsible sober ones.

    But hey, sober negligence is just an accident right?

    I agree that we should keep intoxicated inviduals off the road, but the repercussions when something does happen should be equal. Loss of licence and a federal record that keeps you from employment and opportunity for life seems just to me. At least the alcohol impaired the drivers judgment. The rest is pure negligence that we normalize.

  33. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    rickithebear:
    Oh my goodness WG.
    A whole 4% variance

    He woodguy!
    Quit fighting for that dry piece of bread.
    Sit at the table with me and have thanksgiving diner.

    I have seen +/- 15 CA variance from ZS FO

    Thier are Approx 80 shifts/60 and 48 FO/60

    That means thier are 32 bench change/60

    32/80 40 % of the time the coach is deciding on the fly weather you are going on with or without pocesssion. This is the Corsi turkey diner.

    I did say to Leadfarmer that he was right.

  34. Sighduck says:

    Would anyone care to share a personal top 5 and bottom 5 ranking of general managers? Personally, I can’t believe some of the contracts being handed out this offseason. Those contracts Tampa handed out over the past few days are going to be huge anchors particularly when it comes to re-signing Point, Kuch, and Sergachev.

    I would go top 5:
    Poile (Preds)
    Lamoriello (Isles)
    Mcphee (Vegas)
    Wilson (Sharks)
    Chayka (Yotes)

    Bottom 5:
    Bergavin (Montreal)
    Dorien (Ottawa)
    Talon (Florida)
    Benning (Vancouver)
    Holland (Detroit)

    I have PC mid pack for what it’s worth 🙂
    I think a lot of the signings made by other teams this summer have shown that Chia isn’t the only GM willing to wreck their cap situation on long term deals to UFAs.

  35. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer:
    I’m probably in the minority but I think offer sheets have been explored more than we are led to believe.The compensation isn’t all that much for an 8 mil dollar player.There were rumors of Draisatl having offer sheets.Now those don’t become public unless the player signs them but they likely use them in their contract negotiations

    I would argue the opposite. When you swim everyday in a pool with 30 other swimmers you are forced to interact with are you the swimmer peeing? Not me.

  36. Pescador says:

    rickithebear:
    If you beat an abuser into a coma or let them freeze to death walking back from martinsville, they do not abuse any more.

    Since I believe no child should be a victim of who they are born too.
    I have a compassion standard.
    If it affects a child to the age of 16-17
    Then fuck you!

    Here Here!

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Right Wing is Tobias Rieder, Zack Kassian and a bunch of maybes.As a result the Oilers need two of Ty Rattie, Jesse Puljujarvi or Kailer Yamamoto to break out and become regular everyday NHLers. Maybe one is good enough to win the job to be McDavid’s RW.

    Rieder will likely play the right side with the Nuge, Khaira, Lucic, Caggulia on the left.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard S.S.:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Yes.
    When Bouchard is in:
    Russell & Benning, or,
    Nurse & Benning, or,
    Nurse & Russell.
    I expect Russell & Benning most often as they are more experienced.Something needed when a rookie plays.

    I am highly confident there is zero chance that Darnell Nurse will be a healthy scratch during the first 10 games of next season – OK, there is never zero chance so I’ll go with a 0.00200321% chance.

  39. John Chambers says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I would argue the opposite. When you swim everyday in a pool with 30 other swimmers you are forced to interact with are you the swimmer peeing? Not me.

    Agreed.

    The NHL is a boys club, and spitting in one of their faces will get you barred.

    GM’s, scouts, and coaches will all get axed at a certain point and when they do they need friends in other org’s to give them employment and re-admit them to the club.

  40. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    What are the chances of SEA expansion being delayed by a year?

    Is the arena on schedule?

    Would the potential labor unrest after the 2019/20 season potentially delay the SEA expansion?

    I ask because, if it gets delayed by a year and Bouchard puts in a year of service, then he’ll need to be protected……..

    I posted on this a few days ago. From what I’ve read, they are still on schedule and with their record ticket sales, I think the NHL will be eager to have them join. They sold something like 25,000 season tickets in 1 hour and capped it off at 32,000 in one day. Everything 9renovations) is approved by the city and things are moving forward. I believe the NHL will make a final decision and gather all fees in September.

    So currently, as you mentioned, if they stay on track, then anyone who hasn’t yet played 10 pro games will not need to be protected (Yamamoto, Bouchard, McLeod, Samorukov, Jones, Marody, Benson, Berglund, etc) but if it gets delayed a year, then anyone who plays 10 games this season will need to be protected.

    Also, looking back, I don’t think any lockout/strike has been triggered shortly after the CBA opt-out dates. If I’m not mistaken, players and owners have always dragged it out until the CBA contract is done or almost done which is June of 2022. So, that seems to say, it shouldn’t be an issue for the 2020 season.

  41. jtblack says:

    Reading the whole Blog …… Interesting stuff.

    Kris Russell = Black Hole. If the 32 more he was on the ice for; don’t forget he absolutely fired a slapshot past Talbot for 1. A beauty GWG – for the Leafs.

    I think CGY has a problem. Smith and Gio are old. Neal is a 31 yr ild power forward. hmmmmmm.

  42. Jaxon says:

    I still hope Maroon goes to St Louis. Seem less likely now, but I’m still hoping.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon: I posted on this a few days ago. From what I’ve read, they are still on schedule and with their record ticket sales, I think the NHL will be eager to have them join. They sold something like 25,000 season tickets in 1 hour and capped it off at 32,000 in one day. Everything 9renovations) is approved by the city and things are moving forward. I believe the NHL will make a final decision and gather all fees in September.

    So currently, as you mentioned, if they stay on track, then anyone who hasn’t yet played 10 pro games will not need to be protected (Yamamoto, Bouchard, McLeod, Samorukov, Jones, Marody, Benson, Berglund, etc) but if it gets delayed a year, then anyone who plays 10 games this season will need to be protected.

    Also, looking back, I don’t think any lockout/strike has been triggered shortly after the CBA opt-out dates. If I’m not mistaken, players and owners have always dragged it out until the CBA contract is done or almost done which is June of 2022. So, that seems to say, it shouldn’t be an issue for the 2020 season.

    Fair point about the historical lack of early termination.

    If I’m not mistaken, I believe there has been unofficial speculation about at least one of the parties likely opting for early termination.

    I believe the players are pretty gung ho to get back to the Olympics and may want that hard-wired in prior to 2022 in China.

    With that said, we know the NHL also wants to be there for China – they will still use it as a bargaining chip even though interests are aligned.

    I also think the players are pretty adamant to change the escrow arrangements.

  44. Scungilli Slushy says:

    John Chambers: Agreed.

    The NHL is a boys club, and spitting in one of their faces will get you barred.

    GM’s, scouts, and coaches will all get axed at a certain point and when they do they need friends in other org’s to give them employment and re-admit them to the club.

    Someone pointed out Wilson has done it, but he hasn’t been out of work. I don’t think it can’t be overcome, but it needs to be from a GM / team with a lot of political capital, and not often.

    Being a wildcard will bar omission IMO. See KL.

  45. Primetime says:

    Richard S.S.:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Yes.
    When Bouchard is in:
    Russell & Benning, or,
    Nurse & Benning, or,
    Nurse & Russell.
    I expect Russell & Benning most often as they are more experienced.Something needed when a rookie plays.

    If they were going to do that, they should have done it this season, would have made signing Nurse to his RFA contract much more affordable.

    Have to agree with OP, there is almost zero percent chance that would happen especially since Bouchard is a RHD, and Darnell never plays that side. Would be one of Russell or Benning who sits.

  46. Primetime says:

    Was thinking about other teams salary cap predicaments to see what may shake lose eventually.

    Tampa is going to be in a sticky situations with the Kucherov contract and are going to have to shed salary (not to mention if they somehow land Karlsson as well). Stevie Y will be looking to dump salary but rarely gives anything away for free…looking for cheaper, but good talent back.
    The most rumored player out of there is Tyler Johnson.

    Hypothetical question:
    Would you trade Kailer for Johnson? Isn’t Tyler Johnson the hope for what Kailer can become? Or do we think he will be more?
    If we think they will be the same player, are we better off to get the player at his peak now and not waste more McDavid years?
    Please forget a pending expansion draft and assume we freed up Cap space (maybe sending Sekera with Kailer for Johnson and a cheap prospect)

    Load up now or hope for even better later?

  47. Slocanoil says:

    “I see McLeod as our modern Krushelniski. How did he get to the 6th round?

  48. HT Joe says:

    If Chia can trade away Lucic to justify bringing in Maroon, my biggest fear will be TMac stubbornly refusing to play McDavid with RNH since Maroon “can protect McDavid”.

    Even if the GM makes a good move, there’s no guarantee that the coach’s usage will be optimal.

  49. Lowetide says:

    Slocanoil:
    “I see McLeod as our modern Krushelniski. How did he get to the 6th round?

    McLeod? Did Krushelnyski work in wood?

  50. pts2pndr says:

    Caribbeerman:
    One thing I remind myself is – we already have our superstars in place, we seem to have solidified our bottom 6 and depth and now the team has to work very hard to develop some of the younger players – Yamamoto, Puljujarvi and possibly Bouchard if he cracks the lineup.

    This begs the question… how much of an impact will the new coaching staff have on the development of these younger players? Trent Yawney’s reputation with young D is earned so that speaks well for Bouchard, willGulutuzan and Viveiros be able to take Yamamoto and Puljujarviunder their wings as projects had help accelerate their production?

    To me that, along with the final performance of our goal-tending, it what will make or break the upcoming season.

    Where does McLellan fit into your thinking, given he is the man in charge?

  51. Wilde says:

    …Lance Bouma?!

  52. JimmyV1965 says:

    Side: Not sure what you’re trying to get at here, Jimmy.

    I’m not going to wade too much further into this debate because I don’t want to appear to be defending a wife beater. However, the league has allowed people to play who killed someone drunk driving. Many, many people have strong opinions about these offences and find them reprehensible. So who draws the line and where does that line start and finish? Why is one offence acceptable and the other not? And who has the moral authority to make these decisions?

  53. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I did say to Leadfarmer that he was right.

    Sorry, Did not mean to come off as an attack.

    Part of the joy of this sight is is the take you on aditude.

    I will fire hard.

    But that is a sign of respect.

    I just want everyone to think ratios.
    What & who generates them.

    The Russell thing would be an issue if he was an zhD dman with GA collapse.

    Many times I have stated that Elite 0% Corsi Dmens HD results are dependent on HD partner.
    That matched with Top,zhD dman gets results without paying for top HD d.

    17-18
    We saw lots of games With Were is Waldo.
    Sekera was an HD problem in the system change and injury.
    Nurse 432:32 21ga (2.91 evga/60)
    Klefbom 221:12 14ga (3.80 evga/60)
    Bear 142:15 7ga (3.00 evga/60)
    Sekera 176:18 8ga (2.72 evga/60)
    Benning 103:25 3ga (1.72 evga/60)

    16-17 was HD sys.
    Sekera 867:01 21ga (1.45 evga/60)
    Larsson 166:58 5ga (1.80 evga/60)
    Klefbom 71:10 3ga (2.53 evga/60)

    Russell had no problem with HD partners 2 seasons.
    16/17 Sekera/Larsson 17/18 Benning
    1137:24 29ga (1.53 evga/60)

    The Off dmen (Waldo,s) (HD shit shows)
    17-18 Nurse, Klefbom, Bear 16-17 Klefbom
    867:29 45ga (3.11 evga/60)

    Who was good with Larsson
    Nurse (1.86 evga/60)
    Russell – Benning (1.74 evga)

    Would love to see under 16-17 system.
    1st comp Nurse – Larsson
    2nd comp Sekera – xxx
    3rd comp Russell – Benning
    or
    2nd comp Sekera – Russell
    3rd comp xxx – Benning

  54. digger50 says:

    rickithebear:
    If you beat an abuser into a coma or let them freeze to death walking back from martinsville, they do not abuse any more.

    Since I believe no child should be a victim of who they are born too.
    I have a compassion standard.
    If it affects a child to the age of 16-17
    Then fuck you!

    The most hatmful thing that affects children today is divorce.

    Shall we beat these parents as well? Where do we draw the line?

    All these comments are driven from individual perspective, and just not enough space in the blog to get into it.

  55. digger50 says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not going to wade too much further into this debate because I don’t want to appear to be defending a wife beater.However, the league has allowed people to play who killed someone drunk driving. Many, many people have strong opinions about these offences and find them reprehensible. So who draws the line and where does that line start and finish? Why is one offence acceptable and the other not? And who has the moral authority to make these decisions?

    Agree. The NHL is not the police or the law. They are to act within the law. I can decide my own morality.

    If the law allows him to play fine. If you don’t like it take it up with those who make our laws, not the NHL. If the man has a pardon he shall not be denied employment based on his conviction. It’s why we have Canadian charter of rights and freedoms.

    Like any good Canadian I have my opinions. But I also hate it when others determine what my opinions should be.

    The thread today – wow

  56. VOR says:

    digger50: The thread today – wow

    I think wow about sums it up. It has made great reading though there still seem to be technical problems. What a diversity of material and presentation and some stunningly fine writing.

    A poster raised the issue of sober but negligent driving and I want to say I lost my best friend to a drunk driver and my niece to a sober driver who was attempting to commit suicide by head on collision. I don’t see much difference in terms of the compassion I feel for the perpetrators and the forgiveness I can offer them. Hate and anger are easy emotions.

    Those deaths have taken me on a journey, a story I will tell one day, but for now take it as a given that I never forget vehicles are dangerous tools. But that is what they are, tools. I still drive, I work on driving defensively and making sure I am not the problem and cross my fingers and hope for the best. Because my car, my van, and my trucks are very useful tools.

    Would I like stronger rules, better education, and greater enforcement? Hell yes. But humans have a well known talent for finding new ways to mess up. There is even a term for it – the Human Propensity to Fuck Up (HPFU).

    I have also lost friends and family to hunting accidents, boating accidents, and plane crashes (live long enough and the body count around you climbs and climbs). But I still shoot, go fishing, and fly. Again I’d like stronger rules – like don’t drink and shoot, better education – what are you a fucking moron, and greater enforcement- lets see you shot the farmer’s horse through your truck window while driving at 150 kms an hour drunk cause you thought it was a Moose but you don’t have a Moose tag. Yup. I think I can safely throw the book at you without any fear of having a negative effect on the gene pool.

    But I am a rational person. I know whatever I do carries risk. I know I will screw up in any number of ways and am pretty sure so will every other person on the face of the Earth and occasionally other people’s screw ups will have the potential to devastate my life. All I can do is pray.

    Returning to where I started. One of the thing’s I pray for is the ability to hate the sin but love the sinner. The wisdom, patience, and forgiveness to do that comes really hard for me. I have at least learned not to assume I really know anything about other people’s lives. And I am aware enough of my own inadequacies I have also finally come to peace with the idea of letting those without sin cast the first stone. That would not be me.

  57. Munny says:

    VOR,

    So well stated. Nice fini to a difficult topic.

  58. Wilde says:

    digger50: Agree. The NHL is not the police or the law. They are to act within the law. I can decide my own morality.

    If the law allows him to play fine. If you don’t like it take it up with those who make our laws, not the NHL. If the man has a pardon he shall not be denied employment based on his conviction. It’s why we have Canadian charter of rights and freedoms.

    Like any good Canadian I have my opinions. But I also hate it when others determine what my opinions should be.

    The thread today – wow

    I’m interested to know who among the commenters today you believe attempted to determine what your opinions should be?

    I haven’t read a single comment that didn’t just read like someone offering their own view.

  59. Caribbeerman says:

    pts2pndr,

    Good question that I asked myself when I posted that. I agree that he is the man in charge and there is no doubt that he is an excellent coach… but with a brand new staff he must be open to change… to go through that difficult self-evaluation process and to commit to adopting new traits/methods that are better for him, the coaching staff and the team. I am not sure how well he will do at that exercise… but there is a reason changes were made.

    Beyond that, I think that the assistant coaches are the ones who have more time, looking after specific parts of the team as opposed to the entire team like the head coach, to work with individual players as specific “projects”. And I think this years assistants are more qualified and may have more of an impact on some of these younger players as the season progresses. (At least I hope that hat occurs.)

  60. Wilde says:

    Did San Jose just rage-pay Hertl the amount he would probably be worth if his knee didn’t get instantly Dustin Browned upon entering the league?

    I’d be mad too, but…

  61. OilSafety says:

    Returning to where I started. One of the thing’s I pray for is the ability to hate the sin but love the sinner. The wisdom, patience, and forgiveness to do that comes really hard for me. I have at least learned not to assume I really know anything about other people’s lives. And I am aware enough of my own inadequacies I have also finally come to peace with the idea of letting those without sin cast the first stone. That would not be me.

    Religious or not, we’ll said VOR.

  62. Wilde says:

    Wilde:
    Did San Jose just rage-pay Hertl the amount he would probably be worth if his knee didn’t get instantly Dustin Browned upon entering the league?

    I’d be mad too, but…

    Tomas Hertl pre-Dustin Brown: 2.55 pts/60 5v5

    Tomas Hertl post-Dustin Brown: 1.32 pts/60 5v5

  63. Rondo says:

    I wonder if Oilers would be interested in Jannik Hansen as a PTO.

  64. razor says:

    I think Maroon can play RW. Might be a good fit for the top line with RNH

    HT Joe:
    If Chia can trade away Lucic to justify bringing in Maroon, my biggest fear will be TMac stubbornly refusing to play McDavid with RNH since Maroon “can protect McDavid”.

    Even if the GM makes a good move, there’s no guarantee that the coach’s usage will be optimal.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    razor:
    I think Maroon can play RW. Might be a good fit for the top line with RNH

    I don’t recall him ever playing RW in his time as an Oiler. Not saying he can’t but just don’t think he did so as an Oiler – maybe as a Duck or Devil, I don’t know.

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