Good Day Sunshine

If the Oilers stop doing business right now, I’m fine with the summer. Peter Chiarelli will tweak, especially on right wing, because the band as currently constructed is as loose as Crazy Horse at the Fillmore. A general manager with as much pressure as PC has right now is going to button down that engine like it’s 1962 in the bible belt. We’re going to see at least one move at right wing, pretty sure. I’m tempted to say let it ride. Seriously.

THE ATHLETIC!

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500 AT BATS AND THEN YOU KNOW

I saw every damn one of them and watched them succeed or fail. The Montreal Expos arrived in 1969, and the entire roster came from some other system. There were always a lot of Dodgers, Charles Bronfman loved them and the team collected a bunch every winter.

The Expos didn’t develop a homegrown outfielder who played as a regular until Pepe Mangual in 1975, I remember they played catcher Gary Carter in the outfield the same season. Learned over time that what you want to see from a young player is what they’ll do in 500 at-bats (about one full season). Mangual was a little shy offensively but could scoot, Carter could hit well enough but he was heading behind the plate as soon as Barry Foote went into a slump.

On through the decade, Bombo Rivera, Ellis Valentine, Andre Dawson, Warren Cromartie, Gary Roenicke, Jerry White, all the way through to 1981 and Tim Raines and Tim Wallach. Not everyone made it but you wanted to see 500 at-bats in a season, see what the boxcars read after a full summer in the outfield.

We are here with Jesse Puljujarvi, with Kailer Yamamoto, hell with Jujhar Khaira and Pontus Aberg. There are lots of unknowns but you have to give a man his chance at the plate. If the Oilers commit to JP and Yamamoto on skill lines this year, or at least the first 20 games, we’ll have a good idea about where they are at age 20. I don’t think the general manager is going to risk it, but it’s the play in this situation. Pepe Mangual? He didn’t make it. He just didn’t have the bat.

EDMONTON OILERS CURRENT DEPTH CHART

  • Center: Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Strome, Kyle Brodziak, Brad Malone
  • Left Wing: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Milan Lucic, Jujhar Khaira, Drake Caggiula, Pontus Aberg
  • Right Wing: Ty Rattie, Tobias Rieder, Jesse Puljujarvi, Zack Kassian
  • Left Defense: Oscar Klefbom, Andrej Sekera, Darnell Nurse, Kevin Gravel
  • Right Defense: Adam Larsson, Kris Russell, Matt Benning
  • Goal: Cam Talbot, Mikko Koskinen, Al Montoya

Oilers are at 44 contracts (three could slide, plus there’s Evan Bouchard) so there’s a chance to add as many as four names to this group (plus Bouchard) and have one open spot. I think they’re going to add a right winger. I don’t know if it’s Kailer Yamamoto, Josh Ho-Sang, Josh Leivo or  Anthony Duclair, but someone is joining the party.

BAKERSFIELD CONDORS CURRENT DEPTH CHART

  • Center: Cooper Marody, Cameron Hebig, Josh Currie, Colin Larkin,
  • Left Wing: Tyler Benson, Joe Gambardella, Nolan Vesey, Braden Christoffer, Evan Polei
  • Right Wing: Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Vesel, Patrick Russell, Mitch Callahan, Ryan Van Stralen
  • Left Defense: Keegan Lowe, Ryan Stanton, Caleb Jones, William Lagesson, Marc-Olivier Crevier-Morin
  • Right Defense: Ethan Bear, Ryan Mantha, Logan Day
  • GoalShane Starrett, Dylan Wells, Stuart Skinner

My article for The Athletic today pertains (partly) to possible recall options who can help the Oilers this season. At some level, aside from prospects matriculating toward their peak, we should be concerned with recall options who could contribute. I’ll count Kailer Yamamoto, Cooper Marody, Ethan Bear, Keegan Lowe and Caleb Jones as possibilities.

OILERS FREE AGENTS

  • G Nick Ellis RFA. Retired.
  • G Laurent Brossoit UFA. Signed with the Jets ($650,000).
  • LD Darnell Nurse RFA. Qualified, sounds like a contract is closer.
  • RD Matt Benning RFA. Signed, more responsibility on the way.
  • RD Eric Gryba UFA. Signed with New Jersey.
  • LD Yohann Auvitu UFA. Signed with Sochi (KHL).
  • RD Mark Fayne UFA. Crickets on his next destination.
  • LD Keegan Lowe UFA. Signed, he will push for No. 7D.
  • LD Dillon Simpson UFA. Signed with Columbus, $675,000 times two.
  • LD Joey Laleggia UFA. Signed by St. Louis Blues.
  • LD Ben Betker RFA. Destination unknown.
  • RC Ryan Strome RFA. Qualified, contract soon.
  • RC Kyle Platzer RFA. He will land somewhere in the AHL imo.
  • LC Grayson Downing UFA. Likely to land another AHL deal.
  • L Mike Cammalleri UFA. He can still do some things, might get NHL chance.
  • L Drake Caggiula RFA. Signed, yesterday’s moves may reduce role.
  • L Braden Christoffer RFA. Signed an AHL deal.
  • R Anton Slepyshev RFA. Signed with CSKA Moscow, two years.
  • R Iiro Pakarinen RFA. Signed one-year deal with Magnita, KHL.
  • R Patrick Russell. RFA. Signed, outside chance he sees NHL cup of coffee.
  • R Brian Ferlin UFA. Health is the big story.

ANTON SLEPYSHEV

Is Anton Slepyshev the modern Pepe Mangual? Part of Mangual’s problem is that he got run over by Andre Dawson in centerfield and didn’t have the bat to hold back Warren Cromartie or Ellis Valentine. Slepyshev’s story is more nuanced, he couldn’t find a groove in 2017-18 that would have allowed him to capitalize on the brilliant goals scored postseason 2017.

I think his story comes down to not being able to get on the ice during training camp fall 2017. He had one AHL game, got called back and was miles from ready. The coach moved on from him, as reflected in his usage (the number one line in terms of 5-on-5 icetime for Slepy in 2017-18 was 47 minutes with Ryan Strome and Jesse Puljujarvi, via Corsica).

Luck, good and bad, plays a part. I believe Anton Slepyshev is an NHL player, maybe he’ll have a lash again down the line. Sail on, Russian bear.

NAIL YAKUPOV

In a recent article for The Athletic, I discussed the Oilers and Russian hockey players who were drafted in Russia (Yakimov, Slepyshev, et cetera). These men came over with an idea that the NHL was the only goal, and wasting away in the minors wasn’t an option worth pursuing (exception: Slepyshev).

Nail Yakupov was  a different deal. He came over to North America, made it clear the NHL was his goal. In signing with a KHL team, as he did today, Yak City has either given up the dream or delayed the pursuit. I wish him nothing but the best, and wish the Oilers would learn from these difficult moments.

Young players need to flourish at a level, dominate that level, and then move to the next level. Same as it ever was. Nail was caught in that damnable crevice where NHL teams can play you or send you back to junior and he was getting a new coach per season.

I’ll blame the owner for hiring a rookie general manager and allowing that man to hire a rookie coach. If you’re blaming Nail this morning, you’re going the wrong way. He came to Edmonton in a time of addled thinking from smart men, and it cost all of them their NHL dream.

IS PULJU NEXT?

I think there’s just too much in the way of “NHL tools” for Jesse Puljujarvi to fail. A lot is being made of what line JP plays on next season, my own feeling is Todd McLellan will place him on a line with Ryan Strome. That’s not terrible, he’ll play the soft parade, but at some point power-play time and moving up to the Draisaitl trio should be in the cards. It’s another reason I’m onside with shutting off procurement, Puljujarvi has to be used in a feature role by the coaching staff as things stand here today.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We’re back and oh my goodness there’s much to discuss. At 10 this morning, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Oilers make astute smaller moves, but the heavy lifting once again falls on McDavid, Draisaitl and Talbot.
  • Grant Goldberg, Lakers SB Nation. Lebron hits LA, is this bigger that Kareem or Shaq?
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. John Tavares moves to a bigger market and most of the nation sees a nightmare scenario unfold on Canada day. Is it good for the NHL?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    LT, thank you for putting the bumpers on the bowling lanes of yesterday’s thread. Some tasteful and tactful editing by yourself, and wouldn’t you know it, we didn’t get the strike but we picked up the spare.

    And thank you all for some very well reasoned discourse on as about a controversial topic as you can get.

    On that subject…..Fin.

    Now, done, done, on to the next one, in the words of Mr. Grohl. Looking for some continued development from JP this year. This kid already chops wood with water carried. Now we need the skill to manifest into offense.

  2. 36 percent body fat says:

    yes the oilers messed up Yakupov, I mean Eakins, what an ass.

    And yes now they are ruining JP. He is clearly better than Caggulia. Where is the opportunity?

    Offensive age is peaking younger and younger. Get his offense rolling than worry about the defensive side. That what veterans are for. Dont eakins this kid the way they did yakupov.

  3. stephen sheps says:

    As a charter member and former secretary-treasurer of the Yak City fanclub, I truly appreciate those words, LT. I will still wear my yak 10 sweater from time to time and think about what could have been. I hope he pots 20+ with SKA this season and gets his mojo back. I think he can do it. Maybe we’ll get to see a more seasoned but no less exuberant Nail return to the NHL in and around when he turns 30. He’s still so young, plenty of time for him to rebuild his game. I’ll always have time for him and will continue to watch his career from afar. Thankfully the DAZN app (that I signed up for to have NFL game pass) also seems to show the KHL season. I guess I’m an SKA fan now.

  4. who says:

    I think they should stop right now as well. The only trade that makes sense right now is a Lucic salary dump and a Maroon signing for less term and money. Since that didn’t happen yesterday I am not holding my breath.
    Any right winger they sign now will fall in to the Rattie, Rieder, JP, Yamamoto cluster. They don’t have the cap room to add anyone more significant. Might as well go with what they have.

  5. Caribbeerman says:

    What does it say that so many of our depth players on last year’s roster – Auvitu, Slepyshev, Pakarinen – all out of NHL and to a lesser extent Cammalleri – have not been picked up by other NHL teams. Is it (obvious) that they simply were not good enough? There was a role available for each of those players and none of them took advantage (or were capable).

    So the jury will now be out on Caggiula, Aberg, Rattie, Rieder, Gravel, Koskinen to prove that they are actual NHL players… seems like allot of risk no so (might be a bit harsh to include Rieder and Caggiula)?

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    36 percent body fat:
    yes the oilers messed up Yakupov, I mean Eakins, what an ass.

    And yes now they are ruining JP.He is clearly better than Caggulia. Where is the opportunity?

    Offensive age is peaking younger and younger.Get his offense rolling than worry about the defensive side.That what veterans are for.Dont eakins this kid the way they did yakupov.

    It’s my view they are doing exactly the opposite with JP. I think the current regime already knew Yak was done, they didn’t have time to go back for wounded soldiers, particularly young ones. With JP, they are slowly increasing his responsibilities as his comfort level increases. But this has to be tempered with team needs; giving him gravy PP time when the team is 2 or 3 goals up? Perfect, heck even run him a quick PK shift. 1 down in the 3rd in a tight meaningful game? Probably not at this time. Also, another guy is playing really well, giving you no reason to usurp him with JP is another problem.

    I feel we’ve moved on from the days of playing kids in starring roles before they’re ready. Now, with Hall, Eberle and Nuge, they weren’t punished like Yak seemed to be by Eakins. And neither is JP. He should be aiming for 3rd line minutes, shine against the softs and taking opportunities for advancement as they come.

  7. Andy Dufresne says:

    Is Pulju next???

    WTF?

    You wrote ALOT about 12 to 18 months ago about JPs lack of scoring at every level hes played at. You were at the very least “uncertain” regarding his offensive upside.

    Now if he doesnt become a top six scoring winger you’re going to point to the organizaton as having failed somehow??

    This does not add up to me….what am I missing?

    If Im mis-reading your intentions, my apologies.

    That aside, I think JP is being developed exactly right. He has been given opportunity in spots up and down the lineup and has done ok in some spots and good in others. He is very young, and patience is the key. There is no way to predict in advance what is right for him. Whether he is in the 2RW spot or the 3RW spot will depend on how he performs in camp and early season. Which is exactly how it should be.

    IMO if JP turns out to be a solid two-way middle six RW who scores 40 to 55 pts a season, that is a win for the player and the team. Anything more is a bonus. A big healthy version of Jere Lehtinin would be an outstanding result.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    I am also fine if Chiarelli does nothing else this summer.

    I would like to see a Josh Leivo or Anthony Duclair acquisition but don’t see the need to force a big move.

    Of course, management should be trying to shed cap space taken up by non-core and aging players and any material acquisition is predicated in the same, however, I do not want management to force such a disposition and give up a material asset to make it happen. Keep trying but show some patience and wait for the right trade to present itself.

  9. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    If we’re saying we are fine doing nothing then we must be fine with this team not making the playoffs, maybe sneaking in as a 7 or 8 seed if all our cards turn to face cards. Personally I’m fine with calling this a development year, unfortunate that we are back to that. I dont think most posters are ok with that.

  10. v4ance says:

    I hope Chiarelli has learned a lesson from this free agent signing period. Small frugal UFA deals on short contracts should always be the way to go if you sign any UFAs at all. No NMCs/NTCs, no lengthy terms, no big game hunting. Literally, each July 1st, you should set a maximum budget of $5 million to spend and use that cap space frugally and efficiently.

    In general, homegrown drafted and developed players tend to be the most economical cap contracts. When you have to go to the UFA market to fill massive holes on the roster, it’s an indictment of the scouting staff and the player development side.

    In terms of Yak, I still believe there is an NHL player there. Between Dallas Eakins and Todd McLellan, I don’t feel either of them trusted Nail enough to put him in a position to succeed. Sometimes, your coach just needs to make a leap of faith in a player and let him play through his mistakes and rough spots. It’s funny, I think of how much rope McLellan has given Caggulia versus how much he gave Yak (and now Slepyshev), he’d have one or two good top 6 wingers instead of one underwhelming 4th liner.

  11. judgedrude says:

    At this point, I think that Pulju’s centre isn’t as important as being stapled to RNH’s line, wherever the Nuge ends up as C, LW-Drai, or LW-McD. He can provide the proper cover and protection that veterans of the past provided for younglings.

    As awesome the Nuge-McDavid pair was last year, I think that McD can drag along scrubs and win the Art Ross, while Nuge-Drai-PJ would be a formidable second line that could handle the heavies.

  12. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – It’s refreshing that to date, Chia did not do the “sacrfice the longer-term becasue he’s a desperate bad GM who needs to go deep into playoffs this year or he will be fired”. I stated often that he wouldn’t

    – When the team wins cups, it will be anchored by McD and Drai, and a solid wingers on offence.

    – GM now will make “bets”, untill they hit. If Caggs, Lucic, Reider, Pool (and/or Kailer), Rattie score 15+ goals this year, we will be a very very strong team

    – Sure it isn’t probable: untill it happens then Pool and Kailer will have “blossomed”, s 1st rounders ought to, Reider found a home, Lucic showed his professionalism, Rattie be like Maroon, etc

    – We won’t like the team’s roster untill it suceeds: then we will like it.

    – Next year, in the off-season, if it doesn’t work, they will make more “bets”

    – Ifsome of Kailer, Pool, McLeod, Benson, Bouchard etc can’t make impacts in the next few years, developed properly it is what it is. We’ll see

  13. DBO says:

    If Chia went all in for the year plus cleared out cap issues going forward, it would be a huge thing that could save his job.

    Would anyone do
    Sekera and Lucic and next year’s 1st plus a prospect like Jones
    for
    Skinner and Faulk

  14. jtblack says:

    IMHO this team will have a better season than last year based on

    Healthy Sek
    More experienced for young players (McDavid cluster, Yama, JP)
    Motivated team

    The question is, although better, can this team make the Playoffs? Not so sure about that ….. We Wait

  15. Rondo says:

    I wonder if Oilers would be interested in Jannik Hansen.

  16. jake70 says:

    3 teams for Yak, now out of league. 9M US gross dollars in NHL and another 260K for 22 games in KHL in 2012…. he’ll be alright. Wonder what role his agent played, what he put in his head to influence decisions.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m not on board with Stauffer’s apparent verbal (that Puljijarvi has to produce this year or he’ll be traded), however, I do think this is a big year for Jesse and I do expect a fairly substantial step forward in his offensive game. Each of Nylander, Rattanen and Pastrnak spend part of their draft plus 2 seasons in the AHL (and part in the NHL) but really established themselves in the NHL in their draft plus 3 years (to varying degrees).

    Its Jesse’s turn.

    I see no reason why he isn’t penciled in on Leon’s right wing to start camp. Seems to me he’s a top 6 kind of guy while Rieder is a middle 6 type of guy.

    Lets do this!

  18. judgedrude says:

    v4ance: In terms of Yak, I still believe there is an NHL player there

    Yes, I think so as well. When you lead an NHL team in goals while also leading the Rookie board in both goals and points, it means that you have skill and are doing something right.

    Firing Krueger was one of the defining moments in the downward trajectory of the team.

    I miss you Ralph.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    How has Toronto not traded Josh Leivo yet? Its clear they aren’t going to play him and its also clear that he might be ready for a middle 6 NHL job.

    The cost shouldn’t be much but maybe the Leafs are asking for too much.

    Does a 3rd rounder or Willie Lagesson do it?

  20. LMHF#1 says:

    Watching the enthusiasm of Nail Yakupov be beaten to the ground by Dallas Eakins is one of the saddest hockey happenings I’ve witnessed. Not sure I’ve ever seen someone so excited to play and he had that taken from him. Then he manages to claw back and clicks with 97, only to have a linesman and another unseeing coach finish the job Eakins started.

    Just effing sad. Takes a lot to bounce back from that during formative years. You don’t just bounce back like nothing happened.

  21. v4ance says:

    Walter Foddis @Waltlaw69

    “Taylor Hall is really into that stuff. He’s a smart guy and he has the brain and the capacity to do that. I think that’s awesome. I think for him, he wants all of that information and he’s able to parse it and it doesn’t overwhelm him.”

    https://theathletic.com/309504/2018/04/11/how-the-devils-are-infusing-analytics-at-various-levels-of-the-organization/

    ***

    I wonder… was part of the reason for Hall “tuning out” coaches was because he was studying analytics and seeing the sub-optimal usage of players by the coaching staff? Something along the lines of, “you guys are full of sh…. I’m doing it my way because I’m getting the results…”?

  22. Primetime says:

    Definitely resigned to the fact that there will be no big clearing of cap space this year. After all the Lucic talk, nothing happened and is unlikely to now. Can’t picture a team that went through the draft and FA period and decides NOW that they need an aging $6 million dollar player for the next 5 years. If there were offers on the table they were either not good enough, or rescinded now.

    Leadfarmer stated that he is ok with a development year. With all the excitement in Toronto and their inevitable cup run this year, and losing the Hart because the team wasn’t in the playoffs…the question is more if McDavid is ok with it? He seems like the competitive sort to me…

  23. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    If we’re saying we are fine doing nothing then we must be fine with this team not making the playoffs, maybe sneaking in as a 7 or 8 seed if all our cards turn to face cards.Personally I’m fine with calling this a development year, unfortunate that we are back to that.I dont think most posters are ok with that.

    – I think/hope you are wrong. All we need is some of the youths to develop, and we will be a very very good team. This is Hockey today: a few studs on your team, good goaltending, relative healthy, and few cheap guys to have career years.

    – Last year who had a career year? How was our goalltending? How was our D in terms of games played healthy?

    – Where we choose the assign the blame for no one having a career year, our bad G, and lack of depth to cover to step up etc: that’s the rub.

    – Washing won this year with a few really good players, and their starting goalie who was demoted, then came back becasue back-up sucked. They beat a team that also had “no chance” of getting to the Cup. Neither team was planning a parade at the start of the season

  24. Primetime says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    How has Toronto not traded Josh Leivo yet?Its clear they aren’t going to play him and its also clear that he might be ready for a middle 6 NHL job.

    The cost shouldn’t be much but maybe the Leafs are asking for too much.

    Does a 3rd rounder or Willie Lagesson do it?

    I actually see the Tavares signing as a good thing for Leivo’s place on the Leafs. Similar to us, all the money tied up in a few players, they have to shed salary (eg. JVR, Bozak) and need cheap wingers. Leivo will finally get his chance in the lineup this year

  25. Bag of Pucks says:

    I think the question with Yakupov remains, is he coachable?

    If he is/was, then by all means lay the blame at the feet of Eakins, MacLellan, Hitchcock, Bednar, etc.

    But if Yakupov was/is the type of player that is for lack of a better phrase, a slow learner, then he must hold some personal accountability for his lack of career progression.

    By my eye, Yakupov struggled with system play and defensive responsibilities. Worse, he became a shooter who couldn’t hit the net. That alone punched his ticket out of the league. And it’s tough for me to blame coaching when a player fails on a fundamental skill.

  26. Rondo says:

    Yak has low hockey IQ. Very hard to be competitive with low hockey IQ. His linemates have no idea where he will be on the ice and he has no idea.

  27. Andy Dufresne says:

    Primetime:
    Definitely resigned to the fact that there will be no big clearing of cap space this year.After all the Lucic talk, nothing happened and is unlikely to now.Can’t picture a team that went through the draft and FA period and decides NOW that they need an aging $6 million dollar player for the next 5 years.If there were offers on the table they were either not good enough, or rescinded now.

    Leadfarmer stated that he is ok with a development year.With all the excitement in Toronto and their inevitable cup run this year, and losing the Hart because the team wasn’t in the playoffs…the question is more if McDavid is ok with it?He seems like the competitive sort to me…

    EVERYTHING he actually says and does tells us hes more than ok with it. Hes motivated. As are his teammates from what I can discern reading about them.

    Like Gretzky said awhile back, set backs like these guys experienced last year can actually be valuable. Elite players like McDavid are fueled by the challenges they face, whatever form the challenge takes…..”competitive sort” while accurate, is definitely an under-statement.

    Based soley on the elite “competitive” nature of players like McDavid, Talbot, Sekera, Lucic, and now even Rieder (whos got something to prove), I wouldnt be at all surprised if the Oilers are the Golden Knights of the 2018 season. Of course its not expected as we sit here today…but thats part of the point. Last year they caved under the yoak of “high expectations”…….this year they feast on the fuel of low expectations and the “chip on thier shoulder”

    Remember what Lucic looked like when he play “with a chip on his shoulder”

    In Conners own words: “To the city of Edmonton, thank you for being patient with us. We’ll be back. I promise.”

  28. v4ance says:

    I had an interesting conversation with a former manager who believed that the Oilers missed and needed MORE grit and glue guys like Hendricks and Letestu in the dressing room. As a follower of analytics, I tried to point out the fact that they were routinely losing the shot and goals battle while they were both on the ice. Any benefit they *MAY* have in the room were drastically outweighed by their results on the ice.

    He was of the belief that the Oilers organization should filter their search for players with the first filter being, “are they good in the room?”. The point I tried to make but failed was that I would trust the numbers first and then use the interpersonal relations as a secondary filter.

    This is kind of why I didn’t care for the Lucic signing from the start. He was brought in partly because he was supposed to be a leader in the locker room who could “teach” the kids how to win. This misguided thinking where “intangibles” are more highly regarded over actual performance is what led our team from the cusp of greatness back down into another rebuild.

  29. leadfarmer says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Just a lot of our competition doesnt have as many questions as us.
    Can Talbot recover or is Koskinen capable
    How long can a AHL player survive with Mcdavid
    How bad is that RW depth chart going to hurt us
    Can JP and Yamamoto take a big step forward
    Can Lucic get back to respectability
    Is Caggula having 1 year experience 3 times or will he take a step forward
    Is Sekera recovered, probably is.
    Will we do the right thing and let Bouchard develop or are we going to risk 9 games on his development (18 yo defenders do not help you win maybe Dahlen will a bit but guys lower down definitely do not)

    Can we expect Drai to be a positive goal differential without any of those things happening. Really hard if he is saddled with last years lucic and Caggula for example

  30. Primetime says:

    Andy Dufresne:

    In Conners own words: “To the city of Edmonton, thank you for being patient with us. We’ll be back. I promise.”

    Sure, but I take that to mean “We’ll be back” THIS YEAR. I was addressing Leadfarmer’s comment that he is ok with THIS YEAR being another development year (ie. no playoffs). Of course the best players learn from an experience like last year. But Wayne was referring to losing to the LA Kings in the first round of the playoffs…then making it to the Stanley Cup Final the next year. Does this roster truly give you that feeling? Or will Connor have to suffer through another year of personal and not team success?

  31. OmJo says:

    Yakupov 🙁

  32. Munny says:

    LT said,

    I’ll blame the owner for hiring a rookie general manager and allowing that man to hire a rookie coach. If you’re blaming Nail this morning, you’re going the wrong way. He came to Edmonton in a time of addled thinking from smart men, and it cost all of them their NHL dream.

    There’s plenty of blame go around. Blame is not something that we’re typically short of, in this neck of the interwoods, lol. Some of that should go on the player, who has struggled to do the right things, no matter the organization he is with. And probably his first agent too, who supported Yak’s stubbornness.

  33. godot10 says:

    Caribbeerman:
    What does it say that so many of our depth players on last year’s roster – Auvitu, Slepyshev, Pakarinen – all out of NHL and to a lesser extent Cammalleri– have not been picked up by other NHL teams. Is it (obvious) that they simply were not good enough? There was a role available for each of those players and none of them took advantage (or were capable).

    So the jury will now be out on Caggiula, Aberg, Rattie, Rieder, Gravel, Koskinen to prove that they are actual NHL players… seems like allot of risk no so (might be a bit harsh to include Rieder and Caggiula)?

    Rieder has played 312 games in the NHL. He is an actual NHL player.

  34. frjohnk says:

    Start of the 3rd period of the 1st game do we see
    RNH-McDavid-Drai?

    Asking for a friend.

  35. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    leadfarmer,

    While the Oilers have too many remaining ?marks, and you’ve circled them, relative to other teams is Talbot really a question mark? Few are the teams that go into the year certain their goalie will perform. See Habs, last year.

  36. leadfarmer says:

    frjohnk:
    Start of the 3rd period of the 1st game do we see
    RNH-McDavid-Drai?

    Asking for a friend.

    Away game in New Jersey. Not even afternoon game as its 11 am MT at puck drop.
    Yeah we’re behind to start the 3rd and needing a goal

  37. Louis Levasseur says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I totally agree. I cheered like hell for Yak. He seems like a real nice kid, who loved to play. Fact of the matter is either his NHL skill set or his work ethic to get better or just his hockey IQ lacked. We can’t keep blaming coaches and management when guys fail. Some make it and some don’t.

  38. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Is Pulju next???

    WTF?

    You wrote ALOT about 12 to 18 months ago about JPs lack of scoring at every level hes played at. You were at the very least “uncertain” regarding his offensive upside.

    Now if he doesnt become a top six scoring winger you’re going to point to the organizaton as having failed somehow??

    This does not add up to me….what am I missing?

    If Im mis-reading your intentions, my apologies.

    That aside, I think JP is being developed exactly right. He has been given opportunity in spots up and down the lineup and has done ok in some spots and good in others. He is very young, and patience is the key. There is no way to predict in advance what is right for him. Whether he is in the 2RW spot or the 3RW spot will depend on how he performs in camp and early season. Which is exactly how it should be.

    IMO if JP turns out to be a solid two-way middle six RW who scores 40 to 55 pts a season, that is a win for the player and the team. Anything more is a bonus. A big healthy version of Jere Lehtinin would be an outstanding result.

    Moving a player to the minors and up and down the lineup is the WRONG way to develop him. The right way is to stick him with two veterans and give him a role.

    See Tkachuk in Calgary. Stapled his ass to Backlund and Frolik.

    Bennett got the Puljujarvi treatment, moving him all over the place, instead of giving him a role, and stable veteran linemates.

    Some players take work and time and maintenance. If players take work, McLellan seems to get disenchanted with them. Send their asses out of town.

  39. frjohnk says:

    leadfarmer: Away game in New Jersey.Not even afternoon game as its 11 am MT at puck drop.
    Yeah we’re behind to start the 3rd and needing a goal

    I also wouldnt be surprised to see Strome in a top 6 RW spot if the options are not ready/less than desirable.

  40. leadfarmer says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur,

    While true for some teams, looking at you Calgary, that will have goalie issues some teams are far less likely then others. For example I trust that Jones/Dell tandem will provide competent goalering even if injury happens. I can guarantee two things, Smith and Varlamov will miss time with injury but Colorado addressed that issue. I think Grubauer will provide quality goaltending even when Varlamov is healthy. Rinne and Saros will provide competent goaltending as well and it might be time to start handing the reins over.
    I dont know which Talbot we will see this year and I dont know if Koskinen will be able to step in. So while I like our goaltending situation better than lets say Calgary and Dallas, there are definitely more than a few safer bets out there.

  41. leadfarmer says:

    frjohnk,

    A preemptive McBlender. Interesting.
    Although we know that Strome is a much better center than winger so maybe they put him up at center and move Drai to winger or something McBlenderish

  42. Munny says:

    Rondo:
    Munny,

    You might like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xc7DN-noAc

    Jesus man, there goes three hours of my life, lol. i watch everything Peterson puts out, but generally stay away from the interviews. I will try and watch some of it tonight. Better chance of that if England loses.

  43. Jethro Tull says:

    frjohnk:
    Start of the 3rd period of the 1st game do we see
    RNH-McDavid-Drai?

    Asking for a friend.

    If we’re three down, getting caved in the fancies and TMac has the McBlender set to ‘Obliterate’.

  44. Optimism is like heroin says:

    Wow lots of negativity at a time I see some real positives.

    We were sunk last year through a combination of goaltending, hurt defense and putrid special teams.

    We all know without a goalie any team is sunk so no news there as we expect Talbot to rebound to career average.

    The defense looks to come in all healthy which will help the goalie rebound.

    Special teams fluctuate year to year but the new assistant coaches should help us rebound to at least league average.

    Seems like a lot to go right but I think its more amazing that many things went wrong last year. Not going to plan a parade route but am optimistic the Oil hit 100 points next season.

  45. frjohnk says:

    JP’s handling in the first year was a bit head scratching

    I think the Oilers were expecting JP to be impact right out of the gates, when he wasnt, they had the “deer in the headlights prospect development plan by Oilers management” rolled out which we have seen over the last decade.

    Swedishposter said when we drafted him, JP would not ready to play in the NHL right after the draft and he was right. JP Played 28 games, healthy scratched for a dozen with the first half of the Oilers games and then sent down.

    I do believe JP turns out for us, expecting a good year from him this year.

  46. Andy Dufresne says:

    Primetime: Sure, but I take that to mean “We’ll be back” THIS YEAR.I was addressing Leadfarmer’s comment that he is ok with THIS YEAR being another development year (ie. no playoffs).Of course the best players learn from an experience like last year.But Wayne was referring to losing to the LA Kings in the first round of the playoffs…then making it to the Stanley Cup Final the next year.Does this roster truly give you that feeling?Or will Connor have to suffer through another year of personal and not team success?

    Fair question. My answer is that I beleive McDavid is a “true leader” in the truest sense of the term. The guy to me exudes leadership. The handful of people Ive know in my life that exhibit this quality at anything close to that level aren’t/weren’t the type that pondered the “weak” points of thier circumstances. They exhibited confidence and optimism. You would be hard pressed to convince them of the degree/power/extent of the obstacles they faced. In fact I coined a phrase for this….I called it “extreme optimism”. Some poeple have great skill and great ideas but acheive nothing because they see only the obstacles.(some high IQ mensa types suffer from this) The people I call the extreme optimists are over acheivers…they relish the “process’ of overcoming obstacles….Its like its in their DNA. They have an uncanny ability to see past the obstacles and it tends to make them fearless.

    Sorry of the long winded answer. But YES…..I think McDavid hasnt wasted one second bemoaning his current state of affairs….he has spent every waking moment thinking about how he is going to be better and make those around him better. SO Yes…I think the Oilers will contend this year and McDavid will not have to suffer through another year of personal success with no team success.

    Barring injury he will win the Art Ross, the Ted Lindsay AND THE HART….as it should be.

  47. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    How has Toronto not traded Josh Leivo yet?Its clear they aren’t going to play him and its also clear that he might be ready for a middle 6 NHL job.

    The cost shouldn’t be much but maybe the Leafs are asking for too much.

    Does a 3rd rounder or Willie Lagesson do it?

    The Leafs were also keeping him to be an immediate capable cheap replacement when Bozak and Van Riemsdyk and Komorov left. They held onto him because they had 3 UFA forwards they were not going to re-sign.

  48. Optimism is like heroin says:

    frjohnk,

    Slow development could be a boon for us with current cap constraints. If he had been impact first year we would look at his next contract being 6 mil plus. As long as he shows progression he might be able to be signed long term at a more reasonable cap hit for the heart of his career.

  49. godot10 says:

    v4ance:
    Walter Foddis@Waltlaw69

    “Taylor Hall is really into that stuff. He’s a smart guy and he has the brain and the capacity to do that. I think that’s awesome. I think for him, he wants all of that information and he’s able to parse it and it doesn’t overwhelm him.”

    https://theathletic.com/309504/2018/04/11/how-the-devils-are-infusing-analytics-at-various-levels-of-the-organization/

    ***

    I wonder… was part of the reason for Hall “tuning out” coaches was because he was studying analytics and seeing the sub-optimal usage of players by the coaching staff?Something along the lines of, “you guys are full of sh….I’m doing it my way because I’m getting the results…”?

    Eakins unscientific training methods that he was foisting on players also had something to do with it. Hall had trained experts advising him, and Eakins walked in the door talking bullsh$t training regimens.

  50. Andy Dufresne says:

    frjohnk:
    Start of the 3rd period of the 1st game do we see
    RNH-McDavid-Drai?

    Asking for a friend.

    To start the 3rd? NO. But if we are down by a goal with 8 minutes left to play……FOR SURE…as it should be..IMO…..and double shift MCDavid as well!

  51. leadfarmer says:

    Optimism is like heroin,

    Negativity?
    I think you will see unanimous improvements when people start posting their season projections.

  52. YKOil says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,
    If we’re saying we are fine doing nothing then we must be fine with this team not making the playoffs, maybe sneaking in as a 7 or 8 seed if all our cards turn to face cards.Personally I’m fine with calling this a development year, unfortunate that we are back to that.I dont think most posters are ok with that.

    Trying to force it is what is killed us last year and will hinder us this year. I too, am fine with this year being a development year. I don’t think Connor will let that happen but if we miss the play-offs I won’t necessarily be hugely disappointed.

    From day one of the McDavid years I have believed in the patient approach. My disappointment is with these first three years, trying to force all sorts of sh*t and not letting the opportunities manifest.
    Sekera and Talbot are, to my mind, the only good ‘big’ moves that should have been attempted – otherwise treat the team like a f&*king expansion franchise. Draft high and well, maximize FA signings and subsequent trade values (lots of short deals turning into lots of Cooper Marody’s), keep the ones you really want, when something really valuable pops take your shot, don’t lose on assets.

    The possible Hamilton trade was a good try but if it doesn’t fly – don’t jump off the damn cliff in an attempt to make it look like you are flying.

    We had Connor for 9+ years the moment he was drafted, so why screw that opportunity up? Years 1 to 3 should have been the fallow years leading to glory in years 4+, instead so much value was wasted in years 1 to 3 that years 4 and 5 could easily be fallow years as well (building depth and waiting for f&*k-ups to resolve).

    Meanwhile we are very vulnerable to offer sheets for Nurse ($5 million) and Strome ($3 million) – the old double offer sheet strategy – and even if we sign Nurse we lose Strome for a 2nd. Which means Eberle netted us a 2nd when all is said and done.

    Kills me. This is a better off-season than past, still shades of amateur hour from where I sit.

  53. frjohnk says:

    leadfarmer:
    frjohnk,

    A preemptive McBlender.Interesting.
    Although we know that Strome is a much better center than winger so maybe they put him up at center and move Drai to winger or something McBlenderish

    Strome pts/60 on the RW with
    Drai 2.48
    McDavid 2.13

    but small samples sizes here
    Drai 193 minutes
    McDavid 56 minutes

    Strome without McDavid or Drai he had a pts/60 of 1.13 in 739 minutes. He does not drive a line,( his wingers last year were not very good though) but I do believe he has enough skill to be a good complimentary winger

    I think if McDavid and Drai are centering our top 2 lines and KY is not ready/ and Rattie is not an NHLer, Strome would be an option to plug into a RW role. Oilers still have JJ and Brodziak that can be centers in the bottom 6.

    Something

  54. YKOil says:

    godot10: The Leafs were also keeping him to be an immediate capable cheap replacement when Bozak and Van Riemsdyk and Komorov left.They held onto him because they had 3 UFA forwards they were not going to re-sign.

    Yep. Smart asset management.

  55. Optimism is like heroin says:

    leadfarmer,

    Seems not enough kool aid has been consumed.

  56. Primetime says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    frjohnk,

    Slow development could be a boon for us with current cap constraints.If he had been impact first year we would look at his next contract being 6 mil plus.As long as he shows progression he might be able to be signed long term at a more reasonable cap hit for the heart of his career.

    I’m not sure how long term his agent would let him sign given his performance at this point. However, if I were Chia, I would be trying like hell to get him to at least sign a Sam Bennett-type contract ($1.95 mill x 2). Very comparable players…4th overall picks not quite living up to expectations. That would at least get you to a period of time with more capspace, and would allow you to try him with McDavid/Drai without the worry that he explodes and you have to pay more.

  57. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10: Moving a player to the minors and up and down the lineup is the WRONG way to develop him.The right way is to stick him with two veterans and give him a role.

    See Tkachuk in Calgary.Stapled his ass to Backlund and Frolik.

    Bennett got the Puljujarvi treatment, moving him all over the place, instead of giving him a role, and stable veteran linemates.

    Some players take work and time and maintenance.If players take work, McLellan seems to get disenchanted with them.Send their asses out of town.

    Which came first the chicken or the egg?.

    Did Tkachuk do well because he was stapled to one line? or was he stapled to one line because he did well/was equiped/was ready to do so?

    Did JP and Bennet do less well because they got moved around? or did they get moved around more because they werent doing as well.

    We can agree to disagree….IMO JP got moved around because he wasnt comfortable and couldnt handle 1st or 2nd line duties. Which is is completley normal at age 18-19.

  58. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Fair question. My answer is that I beleive McDavid is a “true leader” in the truest sense of the term. The guy to me exudes leadership. The handful of people Ive know in my life that exhibit this quality at anything close to that level aren’t/weren’t the type that pondered the “weak” points of thier circumstances. They exhibited confidence and optimism. You would be hard pressed to convince them of the degree/power/extent of the obstacles they faced. In fact I coined a phrase for this….I called it “extremeoptimism”. Some poeple have great skill and great ideas but acheive nothing because they see onlythe obstacles.(some high IQ mensa types suffer from this) The people I call the extreme optimists are over acheivers…they relish the “process’ of overcoming obstacles….Its like its in their DNA. They have an uncanny ability to see past the obstacles and it tends to make them fearless.

    Sorry of the long winded answer. But YES…..I think McDavid hasnt wasted one second bemoaning his current state of affairs….he has spent every waking moment thinking about how he is going to be better and make those around him better. SO Yes…I think the Oilers will contend this year and McDavid will not have to suffer through another year of personal success with no team success.

    Barring injury he will win the Art Ross, the Ted Lindsay AND THE HART….as it should be.

    Leadership in the trenches means very little if the leaders behind the lines are doofuses.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uyhSmpbB2k

  59. Jethro Tull says:

    Optimism is like heroin: Wow lots of negativity at a time I see some real positives.

    Well, with a name like yours, you would. 😉

  60. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: Eakins unscientific training methods that he was foisting on players also had something to do with it.Hall had trained experts advising him, and Eakins walked in the door talking bullsh$t training regimens.

    VO2 max is unscientific?

  61. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull: VO2 max is unscientific?

    For most highly trained athletes, they’ve already reached their genetic aerobic capacity. Obsessing over it means one is neglecting things like explosive power.

    Hockey and distance endurance sports are apples and oranges.

  62. Optimism is like heroin says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Last decade made it tough to be positive

  63. Jethro Tull says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    Jethro Tull,

    Last decade made it tough to be positive

    I hear that!

  64. JimmyV1965 says:

    I wonder if it’s possible to get Ryan Spooner? The Rangers are actively trading him. The cost is a second rounder, but his cap hit is $2.7 mill for one more year. If we move out someone like Kassian maybe this creates room.

  65. Munny says:

    godot10: Leadership in the trenches means very little if the leaders behind the lines are doofuses.

    And yet somehow we won World War I.

  66. Oilman99 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I think the question with Yakupov remains, is he coachable?

    If he is/was, then by all means lay the blame at the feet of Eakins, MacLellan, Hitchcock, Bednar, etc.

    But if Yakupov was/is the type of player that is for lack of a better phrase, a slow learner, then he must hold some personal accountability for his lack of career progression.

    By my eye, Yakupov struggled with system play and defensive responsibilities. Worse, he became a shooter who couldn’t hit the net. That alone punched his ticket out of the league. And it’s tough for me to blame coaching when a player fails on a fundamental skill.

    Yak’s lack of hockey iq is his downfall. He had too much pressure on him as a rookie, lost his confidence, and never progressed, possibly by being too stubborn to change. Thought when he went another team he would see the light,but it looks like it never happened. If he was younger and had come to the team after Connor, he might have been the trigger man direly needed for McD or Drai.

  67. Munny says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I wonder if it’s possible to get Ryan Spooner? The Rangers are actively trading him. The cost is a second rounder, but his cap hit is $2.7 mill for one more year. If we move out someone like Kassian maybe this creates room.

    I don’t think he’s an improvement. Or if he is, not enough of one to justify giving up the asset and pay the extra salary. Rags will be lucky to get a 2nd for him though.

    Edit:
    Ha! Sorry. Didn’t notice his last two entries in hockeydb were a seasonal split. I’d see if they’d do Kassian and a 4th for Spooner, but I do like the edge Kass brings to the lineup.

  68. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    judgedrude: Yes, I think so as well.When you lead an NHL team in goals while also leading the Rookie board in both goals and points, it means that you have skill and are doing something right.

    Firing Krueger was one of the defining moments in the downward trajectory of the team.

    I miss you Ralph.

    You’re right there. Krueger did an awesome job with that team, basically with no training camp, and only playing western conference teams. He got a lot of miles out of the young guys because he focused on their strengths. That’s why Eakins will always be an AHL coach, because he spent all his time fighting with players over what they weren’t doing. AHL is for development, NHL is for winning. Krueger tried to put players in a position to succed. Brett Hull never back-checked a day in his life, but he’s in the hall of fame because he could shoot. That’s what Krueger let Yak do, rather than sitting him for not being a Selke finalist.

  69. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: For most highly trained athletes, they’ve already reached their genetic aerobic capacity.Obsessing over it means one is neglecting things like explosive power.

    Hockey and distance endurance sports are apples and oranges.

    I don’t think you get to even the AHL level by being too unconventional. What sunk Eakins was that he totally misplayed how to treat people that have been bludgeoned with suck.

    He was told by MacT that they needed a wake up call. But they needed mum gently shaking their shoulder with a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. Instead they got Gunnery Sergeant Hartman. ‘Tis a shame, for both that team and Eakins.

  70. Woogie63 says:

    This line up has lots of flexibility for a smart coaching staff

    McDavid 1C
    RNH 1LW, 2C, 2LW, 3C
    Rattie 1/2/3/4 RW
    Lucic 2/3 LW
    Driastail 1/2 C, 1/2RW
    Rieder 2/3 RW, 2/3 LW
    Caggulia 2/3/4 LW or RW
    Strome 3C/ 1/2/3 RW
    JP 1/2/3 RW
    Khaira 3/4 LW. 3/4 C
    Brodziad 3/4 C, or 3/4RW
    Kassian 2/3/4 RW
    Yammer 1/2/3 RW
    Aberg 2/3/4 LW Or RW
    Marody 3/4 C or 3/4 RW

  71. --hudson-- says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Curious did anybody who responded to your survey get Bouchard with the first?

  72. Richard S.S. says:

    Objects are closer than seen in the mirror.
    Connor McDavid, Cam Talbot and a basically healthy Oiler Team will be in the playoffs.
    Doing more is in the details.

  73. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    leadfarmer,

    While the Oilers have too many remaining ?marks, and you’ve circled them, relative to other teams is Talbot really a question mark? Few are the teams that go into the year certain their goalie will perform. See Habs, last year.

    – True: Talbot was amongst the worst goalies in hockey last year by most measures (with Price)

    – Assuming he rebounds, I hope the contract should they keep him, reflects his propensity to be really really bad for long portions (then he’s quite good for periods)

    – But Chia is on it: it’s a tell they loaded up on goalies: I think they don’t believe Talbot is a cup goalie: so they need to find one internally…

    – Getting good goaltending: suddenly the special teams is better, playing with the lead is better, the systems look better, the bottom6 are better, D more solid: not the other way around IMO

  74. McSorley33 says:

    I feel like Nail Yakupov can score and create…..but I am tired of defending his defensive shortcomings.
    ( Sakic calling him the ‘minus machine’ was dead right)

    Nail has gone thru too many coaches for me to completely blame the Oilers on this one….but, it would have been nice to let Nail percolate in the AHL / junior for some time before coming to the NHL.

    But, who is better Nail or Caggulia?

    I think Drake has nearly as many defensive issues as Nail…

  75. leadfarmer says:

    Munny: And yet somehow we won World War I.

    Fortunately running head first at your entrenched opponent was the tactic employed by both sides. Followed by shoot a bunch of armaments at your entrenched opponent before running straight at them

  76. Munny says:

    leadfarmer,

    Rinse, repeat. Many, many times.

    And that’s not even counting the travesty of getting into the war, and the travesties incurred once it was over.

    A doofus nightmare from start to finish that we’re all still paying for.

  77. Rock11 says:

    Jethro Tull: It’s my view they are doing exactly the opposite with JP.I think the current regime already knew Yak was done, they didn’t have time to go back for wounded soldiers, particularly young ones.With JP, they are slowly increasing his responsibilities as his comfort level increases.But this has to be tempered with team needs; giving him gravy PP time when the team is 2 or 3 goals up?Perfect, heck even run him a quick PK shift.1 down in the 3rd in a tight meaningful game?Probably not at this time.Also, another guy is playing really well, giving you no reason to usurp him with JP is another problem.

    I feel we’ve moved on from the days of playing kids in starring roles before they’re ready.Now, with Hall, Eberle and Nuge, they weren’t punished like Yak seemed to be by Eakins.And neither is JP.He should be aiming for 3rd line minutes, shine against the softs and taking opportunities for advancement as they come.

    The issue I, and I think many other like me, have with the JP deployment is that there is risk of turning a potential top 6 offensive winger into just another 3rd line plug. Look maybe that is all JP has in him but I see skills that should translate to a scoring role.
    He will never be Laine that much we know. He has however shown, in flashes grant you, a good shot and a willingness to get to the front of the net. Combine those attributes with his skill, size, and skating and there should be a player there. I think the coaching staff is risking Nuge syndrome here. If you talk to the young man about nothing but defensive responsibility then eventually the player forgets to go on offense.

  78. Munny says:

    LT said,

    “Young players need to flourish at a level, dominate that level, and then move to the next level. Same as it ever was..”

    These were LT’s words in reference to Yak. Let’s keep the same words in mind when thinking about Pujo.

  79. Rock11 says:

    v4ance:
    I had an interesting conversation with a former manager who believed that the Oilers missed and needed MORE grit and glue guys like Hendricks and Letestu in the dressing room.As a follower of analytics, I tried to point out the fact that they were routinely losing the shot and goals battle while they were both on the ice.Any benefit they *MAY* have in the room were drastically outweighed by their results on the ice.

    He was of the belief that the Oilers organization should filter their search for players with the first filter being, “are they good in the room?”. The point I tried to make but failed was that I would trust the numbers first and then use the interpersonal relations as a secondary filter.

    This is kind of why I didn’t care for the Lucic signing from the start.He was brought in partly because he was supposed to be a leader in the locker room who could “teach” the kids how to win.This misguided thinking where “intangibles” are more highly regarded over actual performance is what led our team from the cusp of greatness back down into another rebuild.

    I have been saying some version of this for years especially in relation to all those Oiler fans who worship at the altar of Matt Hendricks. My point has always been that you can’t lead if you can’t play. This is true in all walks of life really but particularly true in pro sports. No matter how hard you work or if you always know the right thing to say if you are in the press box or playing 6 minutes a night eventually you get tuned out.

  80. Material pocession says:

    Jethro Tull: VO2 max is unscientific?

    The best VO2 max belonged to the worst player on the team. Eakins was so enamored with both the metric and the player. Perhaps he uses more appropriate evaluation metrics these days.

  81. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woogie63:
    This line up has lots of flexibility for a smart coaching staff

    McDavid 1C
    RNH 1LW, 2C, 2LW, 3C
    Rattie 1/2/3/4 RW
    Lucic 2/3 LW
    Driastail 1/2 C, 1/2RW
    Rieder 2/3 RW, 2/3 LW
    Caggulia 2/3/4 LW or RW
    Strome 3C/ 1/2/3 RW
    JP 1/2/3 RW
    Khaira 3/4 LW. 3/4 C
    Brodziad 3/4 C, or 3/4RW
    Kassian 2/3/4 RW
    Yammer 1/2/3 RW
    Aberg 2/3/4 LW Or RW
    Marody 3/4 C or 3/4 RW

    – This is kind of how I see it.

    – And last year: the “hybrid’s” were Slep/Joki/Caggs/Kassian/Strome/Pool/Kailer, etc for “middle-6”

    – Not many of them worked out last year: players play, coaches coach. Be better this year

  82. McNuge93 says:

    I agree on standing pat except for maybe a bargain contract at 650 to 1000k (or two). As for playoffs, every year there are couple of mediocre teams that surprise and make the playoffs. Last year it was Colorado, Vegas and maybe NJ. If we get improved goaltending and special teams then we are in the mix. Not saying we are mediocre but The Ducks, LA, Calgary and to me
    even Vegas are not much different than us on paper.

  83. Rafa Nadal says:

    Bob Stauffer hinting the Oilers have JP on a short leash and are ready to move on from him:

    “Well it’s simple for Puljujarvi. If he doesn’t gain some traction at some point, he may be finding himself having a new address. Because I think the Oilers are going to have to make a decision with him”

    Not impressed with the organization if this is their current stance.

  84. Side says:

    Rafa Nadal:
    Bob Stauffer hinting the Oilers have JP on a short leash and are ready to move on from him:

    “Well it’s simple for Puljujarvi. If he doesn’t gain some traction at some point, he may be finding himself having a new address. Because I think the Oilers are going to have to make a decision with him”

    Not impressed with the organization if this is their current stance.

    If true, I don’t understand this. Even if JP fails to live up to his expectations, he’s still better than Drake Caggiula. Unless the Oilers get a stellar return for trading JP, why bother?

  85. Paddy Morans Jockstrap says:

    Rafa Nadal:
    Bob Stauffer hinting the Oilers have JP on a short leash and are ready to move on from him:

    “Well it’s simple for Puljujarvi. If he doesn’t gain some traction at some point, he may be finding himself having a new address. Because I think the Oilers are going to have to make a decision with him”

    Not impressed with the organization if this is their current stance.

    The guy who is on a short leash is the coach whose job is to maximize the development of this important player. There are exactly zero top line RW candidates ready to push JP off the team – while an experienced NHL coach is now on staff and can be promoted overnight if TMac team stumbles early.

    Fooling around the first 20 games with under-ripe prospects (Yamamoto), AHL guys on the top line (Rattie) or 19 year old defensemen (Bouchard) is not acceptable. They need to fly out of the gate this year or heads will roll before it’s too late.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    If we’re saying we are fine doing nothing then we must be fine with this team not making the playoffs, maybe sneaking in as a 7 or 8 seed if all our cards turn to face cards.Personally I’m fine with calling this a development year, unfortunate that we are back to that.I dont think most posters are ok with that.

    Of course I want the team to make the playoffs (and will be disappointed if they don’t) but I also see the current cap situation we are in and am willing to be patient and wait for the right opportunity to dispose of cap and wait for prospects to develop and become value contracts – I would much rather go down that route than make risky moves to try and open up cap now (with sweeteners or retention or buyouts) and commit cap to “established” players. A James Neal or Derek Ryan type acquisition (combined with disposing of an asset for cap space) is exactly what I didn’t want this team to do.

    Also, I feel they will be much improved from last year and this was my previous post on why (that I initially made on another platform and then copied on yesterday’s thread):

    It seems many on this forum are underwhelmed with management over the last few weeks and were hoping for more marked improvement. I’m sure all fans would have loved if management was able to make some moves that improved the roster construction immediately but also made sense in the short and medium term. Unfortunately, with our cap situation (yes, self-inflicted), those are tough moves to make and I’m happy that management, at this point, has not made panic moves to move out cap that don’t make sense in the medium term (i.e. trading Puljijarvi with Lucic for a middling asset).

    I don’t think anyone is saying this team is going to contend for the Cup this year or that there aren’t many holes in the roster but, at the same time, there are many reasons to think the tem could (and should) improve over last year.

    Some that come to mind:

    1) Special Team

    – Does anyone truly think that McDavid and Drai (and Nuge) will struggle so mightily on the PP two years in row? Not to mention, we have a new set of coaches to run the PP and, from accounts, Manny Viverios is an excellent coach of offence and the PP. A healthy Oscar Klefbom with an ability to shoot the puck like he did in 2016/17 (when the PP was top 5 in the NHL) should help.

    – The PK was all over the place last year but it was also #1 in the NHL from February 1 through the end of the year, two full months. Part of that was McLellan taking over from Johnson as well as some personnel changes (Letestu and Caggulia were replaced on the PK with Strome and Khaira). We’ve also added to very good PK guys in free agency

    2) Goaltending

    – Nope, there are no assurances that Talbot will “bounce back”, however, given his career, I think its highly reasonable to think that he will be materially better than last season. Looking at his career, last year was clearly the outlier. Now, I won’t “expect” him to have a Vezina quality season (although you never know, he’s done it very recently), I do expect him to provide at least league average starting tending. He was much better in the 2nd half last year (although still to inconsistent).

    – I’ve been very vocal about the Koskinen contract but I am still hopeful he can come in and provide upper echelon back-up tending. As I’ve said, I like the bet on the player, I just don’t understand the contract. That doesn’t matter though, the player is an Oiler and, while completely unproven, he very well could be an excellent backup and maybe even push Talbot

    3) Health of the Defence

    – Last year, our top 3 d-men from the previous year were all injured essentially throughout the year.

    – Larsson was hampered by a bad back for much of the first half and was more inconsistent than he usually is. Of course, he then went through the death of his dad and missed a month grieving. Down the stretch he was excellent and an absolute stud at the World Championships. He is coming in to this season healthy.

    – Klefbom was hurt prior to the first game of the season. It clearly effected his ability to battle and shoot. I believe this led to a confidence issue and that parlayed in to some poor decision making. He had a tough season all around. From accounts, the procedure he had earlier this year has made his shoulder healthier than at any time as an Oiler. At least at this point, we have a Klefbom that, from accounts, is healthier than he’s ever been

    – Sekera – we all know how badly he struggled last year when he came back from injury. He was markedly better in the last 6 games of the season – his metrics were back to normal. He is a bit of wild card. We don’t now if he’ll be 50% or 100%, likely somewhere in between. I think we can be safe in assuming that he will be much better than we was last year – its well established that recovery from the surgery often takes greater than a year and we had him at the 6-8 month mark (I believe). A Sekera at 75% of previous health is still a valuable player (and, while maybe not worht $5.5M, is still a solid add the lineup and could be great with third pairing minutes (with Nurse soldifying himself as a top 4 guy) – Shit, maybe we get a 95% healthy Sekera? We just don’t know

    4) Coaching

    Yes, McLellan is back to the dismay of many. He had a tough season – even I was flabbergasted with many decisions throughout the year. With that said, he is an established NHL coach with a track record of success. I believe he is likely embarrassed (for lack of a better word) with his own performance last year. He has three new assistant coaches all with different skillsets. I think they will help him modernize a bit and adapt better.

    – Viverios, from accounts, is a very excellent offensive coach with innovative ideas and player praise him universally.

    – Yawney’s resume with helping develop young d-men is nothing short of spectacular – with a defence as young as ours (Larsson, Nurse, Klefbom, Benning – all under 25 plus the possibility of Bear, Bouchard, etc.), he could be a huge acquisition

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    DBO:
    If Chia went all in for the year plus cleared out cap issues going forward, it would be a huge thing that could save his job.

    Would anyone do
    Sekera and Lucic and next year’s 1st plus a prospect like Jones
    for
    Skinner and Faulk

    No, I would not.

    It seems many (most) are willing/wanting to just give Sekera away for cap space.

    Personally, I still remember that about 14 months ago he was (arguably) our best d-man.

    He played last year, 6-8 months removed from a surgery that is known to take 12 months plus to recover from.

    I don’t know how healthy he is going to be, it is a wild card. I am highly confident that he will be much better than he was when he came back last season (losing the mobility restricting brace, which clearly messed with his head as well, almost assures it).

    I have a hard time giving this player away for cap space (which is an asset) knowing that he very well could be the addition of a solid/great 2nd pairing d-man.

    Also, I don’t want Faulk – his last two years were really bad – he could make the team worse if we are looking for him to play 2RD.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Primetime:
    Definitely resigned to the fact that there will be no big clearing of cap space this year.After all the Lucic talk, nothing happened and is unlikely to now.Can’t picture a team that went through the draft and FA period and decides NOW that they need an aging $6 million dollar player for the next 5 years.If there were offers on the table they were either not good enough, or rescinded now.

    Leadfarmer stated that he is ok with a development year.With all the excitement in Toronto and their inevitable cup run this year, and losing the Hart because the team wasn’t in the playoffs…the question is more if McDavid is ok with it?He seems like the competitive sort to me…

    He’s 21, he just cashed a $13M cheque (subject to taxes), he isn’t stupid and understands what will need to be done to build a winner (and panic moves for immediate improvement come with risk of making that process even harder).

    Connor will be fine.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk: I also wouldnt be surprised to see Strome in a top 6 RW spot if the options are not ready/less than desirable.

    Strome and McDavid have sparkling numbers together, in a small sample size.

  90. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: No, I would not.

    It seems many (most) are willing/wanting to just give Sekera away for cap space.

    Personally, I still remember that about 14 months ago he was (arguably) our best d-man.

    He played last year, 6-8 months removed from a surgery that is known to take 12 months plus to recover from.

    I don’t know how healthy he is going to be, it is a wild card.I am highly confident that he will be much better than he was when he came back last season (losing the mobility restricting brace, which clearly messed with his head as well, almost assures it).

    I have a hard time giving this player away for cap space (which is an asset) knowing that he very well could be the addition of a solid/great 2nd pairing d-man.

    Also, I don’t want Faulk – his last two years were really bad – he could make the team worse if we are looking for him to play 2RD.

    Have you thought this through OP?
    I don’t want to give up next years 1st.
    But if the Oilers could package a couple of minor league prospects with Lucic and Sekera I would do it. The short term money is pretty even but the long term cap space would be huge for the Oilers. Assuming Chia doesn’t waste it on a different bad contract.
    Not a big fan of Faulk or Skinner but 1 year of Skinner and 2 years of Faulk is SO much better than 3 years of Sekera and 5 years of Lucic.

  91. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Three Oilers prospects on the upswing after orientation camp, free agency

    https://theathletic.com/412759/2018/07/03/lowetide-three-oilers-prospects-on-the-upswing-after-orientation-camp-free-agency/

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Have you thought this through OP?
    I don’t want to give up next years 1st.
    But if the Oilers could package a couple of minor league prospects with Lucic and Sekera I would do it. The short term money is pretty even but the long term cap space would be huge for the Oilers. Assuming Chia doesn’t waste it on a different bad contract.
    Not a big fan of Faulk or Skinner but 1 year of Skinner and 2 years of Faulk is SO much better than 3 years of Sekera and 5 years of Lucic.

    There is a massive difference between “a couple of minor league prospects” and a 1st round pick (which, very well could have decent odds for Jack Hughes, or could have zero odds).

    And, no, I didn’t really give it that much though – just wanted to put my thoughts on Sekera out there.

  93. Primetime says:

    OriginalPouzar: No, I would not.

    It seems many (most) are willing/wanting to just give Sekera away for cap space.

    Personally, I still remember that about 14 months ago he was (arguably) our best d-man.

    14 months is a long time ago for a 32 year old with lots of miles, let alone one coming off a major knee injury.
    Oiler fans giggle at James Neal’s contract from down the highway, claiming that in 1 or 2 years the wheels will fall off because of age and the Flames will be stuck. Well we may well be there right now with Seksy. May be smart to be ahead of the curve on a deal rather than late.

  94. Scungilli Slushy says:

    stephen sheps:
    As a charter member and former secretary-treasurer of the Yak City fanclub, I truly appreciate those words, LT. I will still wear my yak 10 sweater from time to time and think about what could have been. I hope he pots 20+ with SKA this season and gets his mojo back. I think he can do it. Maybe we’ll get to see a more seasoned but no less exuberant Nail return to the NHL in and around when he turns 30. He’s still so young, plenty of time for him to rebuild his game. I’ll always have time for him and will continue to watch his career from afar. Thankfully the DAZN app (that I signed up for to have NFL game pass) also seems to show the KHL season. I guess I’m an SKA fan now.

    I think Yak, at least young Yak, is too eccentric for an old boys club like the NHL. It is slowly changing, but it’s still a pretty stuffy cigar smoky club room. Maybe older Yak can tow the line a little more.

  95. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I don’t think Skinner would waive for EDM. Allegedly has nixed a few trades with his NTC

  96. Jethro Tull says:

    ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  97. Nix says:

    Might seem simplistic (and truly unfortunate based on their salaries), but maybe the easiest way to make this team competitive is addition by subtraction. Looking right at you Milan and Kris. I dont think it can be understated exactly how much they torpedoed the play in countless games last year. Watched every game save one or two and it always ended with me screaming at the TV. The play died on both sticks and I mean damned near constantly.

    Anyone who says Russell is anything other than a possession black hole wasnt watching the same player. The man cannot make a pass to save his everloving life so every single shift it was boards and out… And thats a polite way of saying the dude just literally chips it right to the opposition and ESSENTIALLY PLAYS FOR THE OTHER TEAM. You could feel his mind churning and stalling out looking for an outlet and sure enough within a second possession was gone. It became a drinking game with my GF. I would take Benning, Bear, or even Bouchard for gods sake on 2RD, age and warts be damned. As long as they have the wherewithal to just simply not give the puck to the other side the instant it hits their stick blade. My god Im still amped about it so imagine how Connor and Leon feel. Just straight trash hockey we paid out the nose for. Remember when Bear played at the end and we saw a crisp outlet pass or two? It was like water in the desert or watching a UFO land. Kris Russel did this. My hate was tempered in the flame of his mind numbing repetitition of failure.

    Lucic? Speaking of WW1 thats about the rate plays died on his stick. I wont elaborate. We all saw it. Between him getting top minutes and McLellan seeming to play Russell everytime McD was on the ice for some reason we were always behind the ball and it just crippled any momentum. Just sit them. I know it wont happen but it would be a much better team if so.

    RNH-McD-Pulju
    Rieder-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Caggiulla-Strome-Aberg
    Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Sekera-Bouchard

    Thats a solid top 6 and a solid top 4 in waiting for Bouchard. Not world-beating but many teams would happily take that roster. Play them through the hiccups, smash that damned blender, and at least field some watchable hockey instead of a blood pressure boiler like last year.

  98. leadfarmer says:

    Rafa Nadal:
    Bob Stauffer hinting the Oilers have JP on a short leash and are ready to move on from him:

    “Well it’s simple for Puljujarvi. If he doesn’t gain some traction at some point, he may be finding himself having a new address. Because I think the Oilers are going to have to make a decision with him”

    Not impressed with the organization if this is their current stance.

    Been saying this all along. Big disconnect between player and team. Hope he takes offseason a little more seriously.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Primetime: 14 months is a long time ago for a 32 year old with lots of miles, let alone one coming off a major knee injury.
    Oiler fans giggle at James Neal’s contract from down the highway, claiming that in 1 or 2 years the wheels will fall off because of age and the Flames will be stuck.Well we may well be there right now with Seksy.May be smart to be ahead of the curve on a deal rather than late.

    Fair, but “in a year or two”, Sekera’s contract will be winding down.

    I am very much looking forward to how he looks come September – he wasn’t (isn’t) a guy that relies on his skating (speed, mobility) for plus play – its his calmness under pressure, knowledge to make the right player, etc. where he excels – as long as he’s got confidence in his knee, he should still be a solid (maybe back to very good) player.

  100. Melvis says:

    leadfarmer: Been saying this all along. Big disconnect between player and team. Hope he takes offseason a little more seriously.

    I hope Stauffer takes off season more seriously. His last tweet in this regard has him backing off a bit.

  101. Melvis says:

    After that Jordan Peterson interview, I’m taking the “carnivore diet” a lot more seriously. Everything that ailed him, ails me. And other than that, he just looks a hell of a lot better than about a year ago.

  102. Marc says:

    Jethro Tull:
    ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Never in doubt*!

    *(somewhat in doubt, at times)

  103. Side says:

    Melvis:
    After that Jordan Peterson interview, I’m taking the “carnivore diet” a lot more seriously. Everything that ailed him, ails me. And other than that, he just looks a hell of a lot better than about a year ago.

    If you do try it, please report back.

    I’m always skeptical when someone says a change in diet can make significant changes in two days to them physically and psychologically, when they are not someone who has been diagnosed with something like celiacs or crohns disease.

  104. Melvis says:

    Side,

    Thanks for reminding me. I was going to mention that. I’ll start tomorrow, and do updates about every 30 days. And now I’ve got a reminder note tacked up.

  105. Side says:

    Melvis:
    Side,

    Thanks for reminding me. I was going to mention that. I’ll start tomorrow, and do updates about every 30 days. And now I’ve got a reminder note tacked up.

    Excellent. I look forward to the updates!

  106. VOR says:

    Material pocession: The best VO2 max belonged to the worst player on the team.Eakins was so enamored with both the metric and the player.Perhaps he uses more appropriate evaluation metrics these days.

    VO2 Max isn’t unscientific. It measures something real (the maximum amount of oxygen your body can use). The test is reliable and repeatable and the results are predictive.

    It just isn’t terribly predictive of on ice results in hockey players. On the other hand elite long distance speed skaters, cyclists or cross country skiers will all have massive VO2 Max. The biggest number of all time is a cross country skier.

    So VO2 Max is the wrong test for hockey players at least in isolation. But at the combine they also do Wingate testing. This test is a nightmare but measures anaerobic capacity, threshold, and fatigue. The 30 second version is very predictive for 400 meter runners, 1K cyclists, rowers, and the like. Though still not predictive for hockey players.

    The combine probably correctly assumes that if you have a high VO2 Max and a great Wingate you can play up tempo hockey late into a game.

    If you happen to also have great standing long jump and no arm jump numbers you can play up tempo while skating like the wind. In other words you are Glenn Anderson. This explains how a kid with dubious hockey talents went high in the first round (Liam Foudy).

    Results for all these testes decline sharply with age. Also hockey players at the Combine are testing well above average for their age and well below elite for their age. The gap between tested players is far smaller than the gap between these players and average kids their age. On the other hand it is also smaller than the gap from the best combine tested player to elite test results.

    Whatever hockey players may be they aren’t great aerobic or anaerobic specimens.

    That isn’t to say they aren’t great athletes. They just don’t have freakish hearts, lungs, and circulatory systems.

  107. Todd Macallan says:

    VOR,

    Can confirm the Wingate is a nightmare. Did it once as a guinea pig in an exercise phys class during my kinesiology undergrad days. Probably didn’t help I was fresh off a JD bender the night before

  108. VOR says:

    It is not that some hockey players can’t put up elite numbers. Wayne Gretzky’s VO2 Max was 99+ percentile. As was Glenn Anderson’s Wingate as extrapolated from earlier anaerobic tests. However nobody ever tested at the Combine has gotten close to those two guys. And NHL teams don’t make their pre season testing available to the public.

  109. pts2pndr says:

    Jethro Tull: It’s my view they are doing exactly the opposite with JP.I think the current regime already knew Yak was done, they didn’t have time to go back for wounded soldiers, particularly young ones.With JP, they are slowly increasing his responsibilities as his comfort level increases.But this has to be tempered with team needs; giving him gravy PP time when the team is 2 or 3 goals up?Perfect, heck even run him a quick PK shift.1 down in the 3rd in a tight meaningful game?Probably not at this time.Also, another guy is playing really well, giving you no reason to usurp him with JP is another problem.

    I feel we’ve moved on from the days of playing kids in starring roles before they’re ready.Now, with Hall, Eberle and Nuge, they weren’t punished like Yak seemed to be by Eakins.And neither is JP.He should be aiming for 3rd line minutes, shine against the softs and taking opportunities for advancement as they come.

    Might have to rethink that depending on Bouchard!

  110. flyfish1168 says:

    godot10: For most highly trained athletes, they’ve already reached their genetic aerobic capacity.Obsessing over it means one is neglecting things like explosive power.

    Hockey and distance endurance sports are apples and oranges.

    Even for well-toned athletes, this test has a wealth of information. Offseason training for one. Hockey isn’t just about explosive power, that is only one aspect. Endurance for players that plays over 20 minutes or an extra long shift can feel the effects. Even if you keep shifts to 45 seconds and you are getting 25 shifts you need to be able to recover between shift. If you have played the game you’ll know it gets tougher in the later stages of the game. Duncan Keith has amazing stemma, he often gets upwards of 30 minutes a game and upwards of 90 seconds shifts.

  111. VOR says:

    Todd Macallan:
    VOR,

    Can confirm the Wingate is a nightmare. Did it once as a guinea pig in an exercise phys class during my kinesiology undergrad days. Probably didn’t help I was fresh off a JD bender the night before

    Yeah if you keep pushing through the chance of projectile vomitting is quite high.

  112. VOR says:

    VOR: Yeah if you keep pushing through the chance of projectile vomitting is quite high.

    Believe it or not we used to do Wingates as a training tool.

  113. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    v4ance:
    Walter Foddis@Waltlaw69

    “Taylor Hall is really into that stuff. He’s a smart guy and he has the brain and the capacity to do that. I think that’s awesome. I think for him, he wants all of that information and he’s able to parse it and it doesn’t overwhelm him.”

    https://theathletic.com/309504/2018/04/11/how-the-devils-are-infusing-analytics-at-various-levels-of-the-organization/

    ***

    I wonder… was part of the reason for Hall “tuning out” coaches was because he was studying analytics and seeing the sub-optimal usage of players by the coaching staff?Something along the lines of, “you guys are full of sh….I’m doing it my way because I’m getting the results…”?

    I read that piece this weekend, thanks for linking it here.

    Hall is a hockey fan and hockey geek. He loves, lives and breathes the game.

    I subscribe to Craig Custance’s “The Full 60” where he interviews people in and around the NHL and there is lots of gold to mine in what he does.

    He interview Hynes (NJD head coach) earlier this year and a big part of the conversation was about Hall.

    I strongly suggest listening to it.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-38892502-274623174/the-full-60-episode-15-devils-coach-john-hynes

  114. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m not on board with Stauffer’s apparent verbal (that Puljijarvi has to produce this year or he’ll be traded), however, I do think this is a big year for Jesse and I do expect a fairly substantial step forward in his offensive game. Each of Nylander, Rattanen and Pastrnak spend part of their draft plus 2 seasons in the AHL (and part in the NHL) but really established themselves in the NHL in their draft plus 3 years (to varying degrees).

    Its Jesse’s turn.

    I see no reason why he isn’t penciled in on Leon’s right wing to start camp.Seems to me he’s a top 6 kind of guy while Rieder is a middle 6 type of guy.

    Lets do this!

    Stauffer walked his verbal on JP back quite a bit today.

  115. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    –hudson–:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Curious did anybody who responded to your survey get Bouchard with the first?

    – I’m so pissed at myself for not entering the contest. Of course I could be making it up but he was my pick. I haven’t actually looked it up. Also pretty sure tobias as number one most expensive off season acquisition didn’t get many picks!

  116. Jethro Tull says:

    Going to Pacific City, OR for family vay-kay first two weks of Aug. Ditching kids with in-laws for 2 days to go to Portland. We’ve started making our own cider and want to visit Reverend Nat’s. If you haven’t tried their ciders, find them and try them without delay.

    Has anyone got any recommendations for eats and drinks in Portlandia?

  117. flyfish1168 says:

    VOR: Yeah if you keep pushing through the chance of projectile vomitting is quite high.

    Yep been there.

  118. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: There is a massive difference between “a couple of minor league prospects” and a 1st round pick (which, very well could have decent odds for Jack Hughes, or could have zero odds).

    And, no, I didn’t really give it that much though – just wanted to put my thoughts on Sekera out there.

    Yeah I don’t want to give up a 1st rounder either.
    Probably a moot point cause I doubt very much if Carolina would do it. Even with the first.
    I think they are looking for a bigger return on both players.

  119. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: I don’t think you get to even the AHL level by being too unconventional.What sunk Eakins was that he totally misplayed how to treat people that have been bludgeoned with suck.

    He was told by MacT that they needed a wake up call.But they needed mum gently shaking their shoulder with a nice cup of tea and a biscuit.Instead they got Gunnery Sergeant Hartman. ‘Tis a shame, for both that team and Eakins.

    I want that head so sanitary and squared away that the Virgin Mary herself would be proud to go in there and take a dump.

  120. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: Three Oilers prospects on the upswing after orientation camp, free agency

    https://theathletic.com/412759/2018/07/03/lowetide-three-oilers-prospects-on-the-upswing-after-orientation-camp-free-agency/

    You forgot the:

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  121. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Paddy Morans Jockstrap: The guy who is on a short leash is the coach whose job is to maximize the development of this important player. There are exactly zero top line RW candidates ready to push JP off the team – while an experienced NHL coach is now on staff and can be promoted overnight if TMac team stumbles early.

    Fooling around the first 20 games with under-ripe prospects (Yamamoto), AHL guys on the top line (Rattie) or 19 year old defensemen (Bouchard) is not acceptable. They need to fly out of the gate this year or heads will roll before it’s too late.

    Todd is on the hot seat.

    The GM forcing new assistants and hiring “head coach in waiting” Gulutzan spells that out in bright neon for him.

    I don’t think that SJS having two of their best years after he left is coincidence.

    EDM has a hellacious Oct schedule.

    I can see them punting Todd after a shitty Oct and surging to make the playoffs after he leaves.

  122. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0: You forgot the:

    ******
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    Lol. Point taken.

  123. VOR says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Going to Pacific City, OR for family vay-kay first two weks of Aug.Ditching kids with in-laws for 2 days to go to Portland.We’ve started making our own cider and want to visit Reverend Nat’s.If you haven’t tried their ciders, find them and try them without delay.

    Has anyone got any recommendations for eats and drinks in Portlandia?

    Two caveats. I am a vegetarian and I hate frou-frou food.

    That said Portland is a foodies paradise. There are a stunning number of great restaurant but my favourites are Duck House Chinese Restaurant and Nong’s.

    Duck House is a superb Chinese Restaurant with a very friendly price point. You can be all safe or you can be wildly adventurous. The menu is dotted with outrageous sounding and tasting dishes like Red Hot Intestines but also has fabulous Chinese comfort food.

    Nong’s is well on its way to being a Portland institution and for good reason. They have great noodles and soups. The restaurant can be hard to get into but they have two food trucks.

    There is this great new Thai place that does amazing fried chicken but I can’t think of the name of it, Hat something I think. Super fast food at an insane price point. I can’t imagine how they stay in business.

    Now maybe you want to go upscale in which case I am not the right guy to ask. But believe me you will discover eating out is a religion in Portland. And everyone has their favourite church.

  124. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer: Been saying this all along. Big disconnect between player and team. Hope he takes offseason a little more seriously.

    Hope the coach takes the off-season more seriously.

  125. rickithebear says:

    Rondo:
    Yak has low hockey IQ.Very hard to be competitive with low hockey IQ. His linemates have no idea where he will be on the ice and he has no idea.

    Sounds like Nurse, Klefbom, bear defending in of DZ.

  126. Professor Q says:

    Melvis:
    After that Jordan Peterson interview, I’m taking the “carnivore diet” a lot more seriously. Everything that ailed him, ails me. And other than that, he just looks a hell of a lot better than about a year ago.

    I would consult an actual physician and nutritionist to look at and develop a plan for you personally, rather than the anecdotal hearsay of a snake oil salesman.

    Just personally, of course.

  127. Professor Q says:

    rickithebear:
    These training theories started before 1970.

    https://www.elitefts.com/education/the-development-of-the-russian-conjugate-sequence-system/

    Amen!

    Didn’t anyone see Rocky IV?

  128. Munny says:

    Melvis:
    After that Jordan Peterson interview, I’m taking the “carnivore diet” a lot more seriously. Everything that ailed him, ails me. And other than that, he just looks a hell of a lot better than about a year ago.

    He’s got to have a lot less stress in his life now than in the prior two years. I don’t think I would’ve survived. And it saddens me to think of all the voices that might have been silenced by the threats of political correctness and SJWs.

  129. v4ance says:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20180627-is-quiet-eye-the-secret-to-success-for-athletes

    “….Psychologists and neuroscientists have now identified some of the common mental processes that mark out elite athletes such as (Serena)Williams. And one of the most intriguing aspects appears to be a phenomenon known as the “quiet eye” – a kind of enhanced visual perception that allows the athlete to eliminate any distractions as they plan their next move. Intriguingly, quiet eye appears to be particularly important at times of stress, preventing the athlete from ‘choking’ at moments of high pressure. It may even lead to the mysterious ‘flow state’.”

    ***

    VOR? Have you heard about this research?

  130. Melvis says:

    Professor Q,

    I’m having simply grilled fresh walleye and steamed green beans for dinner this evening. I think I’ll blow off the parisienne potatoes for a change. Also the 300lb poutine snarfing, pill pusher currently serving as my doctor. And the comment. Just personally , of course.

  131. GMB3 says:

    Melvis:
    Professor Q,

    I’m having simply grilled fresh walleye and steamed green beans for dinner this evening.I think I’ll blow off the parisienne potatoes for a change.Also the 300lb poutine snarfing, pill pusher currently serving as my doctor. And the comment. Just personally , of course.

    It’s a valid point here about your dr being a pill pusher. Western medicine tends to focus on treating symptoms instead of preventing them. I know that’s a generalization but there is some truth to it.

    Our diets play a massive role in how we feel, and there’s psychological solace to be had in making lifestyle changes we truly believe will help us.

    My 0.02$

  132. Richard S.S. says:

    Rafa Nadal,

    Peter Chiarelli said, “He (Rieder) can play Right Wing. There’s not a star player or an established player there.”
    IMO that includes Rattie, Puljujarvi and Yamamoto.
    Rattie is not a star player nor an established player, but there a good chance he’s an NHLer.
    Yamamoto might just be a star player, but he’s not yet an established player nor an NHLer, but he will be all three.
    Puljujarvi is not a star player and may never nor is he an established player. No one knows what type of NHLer he will be.

  133. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    OriginalPouzar: Fair, but “in a year or two”, Sekera’s contract will be winding down.

    I am very much looking forward to how he looks come September – he wasn’t (isn’t) a guy that relies on his skating (speed, mobility) for plus play – its his calmness under pressure, knowledge to make the right player, etc. where he excels – as long as he’s got confidence in his knee, he should still be a solid (maybe back to very good) player.

    Agreed. Sekera will have had a full training camp and off-season to recover. I’m optimistic that he’ll be solid. And if they trade JP I’m gonna be pissed. Just look at Brodziak, Reider, and the worst example is Cogliano. All servicable, solid NHL’ers that contribute to other organizations after we give them away. Just let JP develop into whatever he’s gonna be and then see how he can be used. Good teams do this all the time, while we trade guys away for magic beans because they aren’t the 40 goal scorer we were hoping for. Just draft and develop for Pete’s sake.

  134. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Kane should be in the convo at least for top offensive player in the world. Deadly scorer.

  135. Richard S.S. says:

    No one knows how far Jesse Puljujarvi would have dropped if the Oilers had picked second instead of fourth. That being said, he should have been sent down after his nine and told what he needed to work on. When he finally was sent down he was given things to work on. He did not take that demotion well. Considering all his talent, he had only made small progress the next time he was up. His biggest issues still existed.

    This is Jesse Puljujarvi’s last ELC year, contract year coming up – 2 or 8. I agree with Bob Stauffer about Puljujarvi. More small progress, he traded. Strong progress and he might make McDavid’s Line.

  136. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: Agreed.Sekera will have had a full training camp and off-season to recover.I’m optimistic that he’ll be solid.And if they trade JP I’m gonna be pissed.Just look at Brodziak, Reider, and the worst example is Cogliano.All servicable, solid NHL’ers that contribute to other organizations after we give them away.Just let JP develop into whatever he’s gonna be and then see how he can be used.Good teams do this all the time, while we trade guys away for magic beans because they aren’t the 40 goal scorer we were hoping for.Just draft and develop for Pete’s sake.

    Elite and top talent isn’t the lack, it’s competent helpful other players that is. Depth/balance are king.

    I think they added two. Hopefully three or four.

  137. Melvis says:

    GMB3,

    I’ve been looking into the carnivore matter for awhile now. Peterson’s comments simply have me revisiting the notion. I’m uncertain as to when or how he might have become a snake oil salesman, or what he might be pushing exactly. If academic politics hadn’t become click bait, I suspect he would remain largely unknown.

    Historically. the word “diet”, and/or various dietary and philosophical “isms” along the way – generally had me cringing.

    From, let me see, Adelle Davis and other dietary gurus, to est (did you “get that?”), to my favourite, “Follow Your Bliss”.

    Actually, in following my bliss, I’m quite prone to a diet heavy in wise ass snark. It’s not a particularly redeeming quality, but calorie light. There are some here, however, who have it down to a fine art. Like good cooks. I can only wish.

    But there you go. Live and learn.

  138. Andy Dufresne says:

    Islanders sign Lerner

  139. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Elite and top talent isn’t the lack, it’s competent helpful other players that is. Depth/balance are king.

    I think they added two. Hopefully three or four.

    If that’s all JP turns into then at least we don’t have to go looking for someone to fill that role. It’s not ideal that we used a #3 pick to get that, but don’t get rid of him. That’s how things have gotten so messed up with this team. Brodziak could have been our character, Pk guy’ face off guy, glue guy, whatever term you want to use. Chimera could have too for that matter. But we give them away all the time. The league is crawling with guys we just gave away because management thought they were failures: Dubnyk, Petry, the list goes on. Wouldn’t it be nice to actually have some homegrown players? We cut bait way too early on these guys, and I hope Chia doesn’t make the same mistake with JP. Look at the tools he has.

  140. square_wheels says:

    Wow Carolina has a legit D corps. Not quite Nashville but not much removed.

  141. leadfarmer says:

    That Carolina team is slowly filling out very nicely

  142. square_wheels says:

    leadfarmer,

    If that goaltending straightens out…..

  143. Primetime says:

    leadfarmer:
    That Carolina team is slowly filling out very nicely

    De Haan’s signing takes away any of our fantasy Sekera trades to the Hurricanes. Guess they will just have to settle for Lucic straight up for Skinner….

  144. Rondo says:

    Calvin De Haan 4.55 M x 4 Carolina

  145. Andy Dufresne says:

    Rondo:
    Calvin De Haan 4.55 Mx 4

    Seems like a steep price. hes 27 yrs old and his career high is 5 goals.

    And he’s only topped 16 pts once.

    Not brutal……but certainly not a value contract.

    Hes like a younger version of Kris Russell.

  146. Munny says:

    Rondo:
    Calvin De Haan 4.55 Mx 4 Carolina

    Tough for De Haan to turn that down. Can’t imagine he got offered that anywhere else. Maybe Woodguy lent Waddell his phone?

  147. VOR says:

    v4ance:
    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20180627-is-quiet-eye-the-secret-to-success-for-athletes

    “….Psychologists and neuroscientists have now identified some of the common mental processes that mark out elite athletes such as (Serena)Williams. And one of the most intriguing aspects appears to be a phenomenon known as the “quiet eye” – a kind of enhanced visual perception that allows the athlete to eliminate any distractions as they plan their next move. Intriguingly, quiet eye appears to be particularly important at times of stress, preventing the athlete from ‘choking’ at moments of high pressure. It may even lead to the mysterious ‘flow state’.”

    ***

    VOR?Have you heard about this research?

    I actually know Joan. I admire her as a scientist. She takes intellectual risks, looks at the big picture, asks intriguing questions and sees things others miss. I have even been present when some of her ideas on eye tracking were trained, and successfully.

    My problem is I also admired Anne Treismer. Anne’s brilliant work on visual cognition can not easily be reconciled with Joan’s work on quiet eye. Something is wrong somewhere.

    If you wanted me to guess I’d bet quiet eye is an outcome of underlying (and earlier) mental activity. And not an input into current mental processes.

    I also caution anybody who extrapolates from the specific to the general. By all accounts neither Nadal or Federer display quiet eye. That criticism doesn’t invalidate the theory. It just means it is neither universal or essential amongst pro tennis players.

    Most human performance “attributes” and “characteristics” are only displayed by sub sets of elite performers. So quiet eye would fit this pattern. Thus tools that add them into your performance arsenal may or may not have any effect and we can’t predict who it will help and who it won’t. And we are far from real tools for developing quiet eye.

    In summary I think quiet eye is a real phenomena. I just am not sure it will really be a game changer.

  148. Dominoiler says:

    Seems like everyone forgot that the sekera signing was a much needed UFA signing, decent money for decent term derailed by injury (case could be made that 30+ yo players carry an increased risk, but what to do)..

    Just pointing out that not every ufa signing above 2M is doomed, just the shitty ones were.. (also, Gryba’s 2 year contract at less than 2M also was poor).. so i think it’s time for people to look with a broader view than the last two days before writing overly simplistic ‘all knowing, all encompassing’ narratives..

  149. oilgarchy says:

    Sail on YakCity. I lay the blame for Yak’s disappointing career on the number 64.

    I remember when he showed up for his first camp they gave him 64 and LT (I think) said the only other Oiler player to wear 64 was Jason Bonsignore. Talk about a bad omen. They need to retire 64 and I don’t mean hanging in the rafters.

  150. Wilde says:

    ** BIG BOY POST ALERT **

    We’re talking about 98, are we?!

    Here’s a post I wrote on 2018 draft day that went the way of the wind:

    ——————————————————–

    Update on Puljujarvi:

    – He’s apparently training hard already, pushing numbers on bench(lol) and squat

    – Enjoying being able to train without injury unlike last couple summers

    – playing with Karpat once a week

    – good to be closer to home, but is working hard on his English because he felt he couldn’t be a
    good teammate and friend because of his poor English this year 🙁

    – all of this translation credited to Twitter user @kulta64

    Now, I’ve been linking the latest published passing project data intermittently, and I took a look at Puljujarvi’s, here’s the link to the project:

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/ryan.stimson#!/vizhome/PlayerPassing/ComparisonDashboard

    Highlights:

    – 81st percentile expected primary points per 60

    – 81st percentile shot assists from across the slot or behind the net

    – 72nd percentile expected assists per 60

    – 81st percentile expected goals per 60

    – 79th percentile one-timer shots per 60

    Lowlights:

    – 28th percentile involvement in the shots that occur when he’s on the ice

    – 37th percentile shot assists per 60

    My takeaways here is that we have a fantastically talented young individual with good character and it’s real fuckin’ sad the way he’s been treated thus far.

    If we don’t trade him, though, we’ll forget about it when he’s a monster two-way force for a decade.

    These metrics kind of fly in the face of Jesse’s shot quality problem, I think the problem is finishing as one of the youngest NHLers. He’s getting to the spots, he’s getting the shot off, but he’s not finding twine. It’s part confidence, it’s part literally being 20. We saw this with Yamamoto. If he cashed on his dangerous chances at a reasonable rate he would have had 5 goals in his 9 games.

    When a player is old and has this problem, they just don’t have it anymore. Like how Cammaleri did a lot of things right, but it just didn’t go in the net anymore.

    When a player is young and has this problem, they just don’t have it YET.

    But they will, both of them… I’m confident.

    Please, for the love of god, keep these two guys and keep the 10th overall. A team with 97 on it shouldn’t /have/ elite prospects, but because of the injuries in 2015-16, and the size-based dismissal of a top 10 talent in 2017, and the man comin’ around in 2018, here we are: we have a mulligan.

    It won’t, in all likelihood, be another chance at a McDavid+Barzal+Hall team, but it is something… unless you rip the seeds from the soil once again.

    Get it right Pete, get it right Daryl, get it right Craig, and Godspeed, Keith.

    —————————————-

    I’ve also been meaning to talk about JP’s offensive potential for awhile.

    I’m of the belief that elite offensive capabilities show early. The only thing stopping the train is injuries.

    There’s been points made about the lack of offense in Pulju’s 17 year old season in Liiga, I have time for them. But I like getting the full year-to-year projection from when players are ~15. Jesse’s numbers are absolutely remarkable, playing up-age sooner and outproducing a lot of elite NHL Finns.

    Here’s Jesse:

    age –

    14 – 51pts in 42 GP – Jr U18

    15 – 23pts in 18 GP – Jr U20

    16 – 18pts in 11 GP – Jr U20

    / / – 13pts in 15GP – Mestis

    / / – 11pts in 21GP – Liiga

    17 – 28pts in 50GP – Liiga

    Now, for comparable Finns, I’ll be putting all of their age – league seasons in order.

    Players are put in years by the age they are before the 2nd half of the season.

    So a player born in ’97 is in the ’15’ category, no matter the month… this means some guys have pretty big age differences, but I tried to grab guys within a few months of JP’s May birthday. Here’s their birth months, and in brackets a + or a – indicating whether or not their stats deserve a boost or a reduction because they were younger or older than the other guys:

    Puljujarvi – May ( = )

    Laine – April (= )

    Granlund – Feb ( – )

    Tolvanen – Apr ( = )

    Kotkaniemi – Jul ( = )

    Aho – Jul ( = )

    Teravainen – Sept ( + )

    Rantanen – Oct ( + )

    14 year olds in U18 league:

    Jesse Puljujarvi – 51pts in 42 GP

    Patrik Laine – 26pts in 27 GP

    (That’s literally it. Those two.)

    15 year olds in the U18 league:

    Eeli Tolvanen – 84pts in 41 GP

    Mikael Granlund – 40pts in 22 GP

    Jesse Puljujarvi – 14 pts in 8 GP

    Mikko Rantanen – 13pts in 22GP

    Teuvo Teravainen – 26pts in 22GP

    Sebastian Aho – 60pts in 38 GP

    15 year olds in the U20 League (This is basically Finnish exceptional status IMO)

    Jesse Puljujarvi – 23pts in 18 GP <– Excuse me?!

    Patrik Laine – 37pts in 40 GP

    Jesperi Kotkaniemi – 15pts in 33 GP

    Eeli Tolvanen – 5pts in 7 GP

    Sebastian Aho – 4pts in 5 GP

    16 year olds in the U20 League:

    Jesse Puljujarvi – 18pts in 11 GP

    Mikael Granlund – 57pts in 35 GP

    Teuvo Teravainen – 20pts in 26 GP

    Sebastian Aho – 59pts in 44 GP

    Jesperi Kotkaniemi – 15pts in 17 GP

    16 year olds in the Mestis:

    Jesse Puljujarvi – 13pts in 15 GP

    Patrik Laine – 12pts in 36 GP

    Mikael Granlund – 7pts in 6 GP

    17 year olds in the Liiga:

    Jesse Puljujarvi – 11pts in 21 GP

    BONUS APPEARANCE:

    Aleksander Barkov – 16pts in 32 GP

    Mikko Rantanen – 3pts in 15 GP

    Patrik Laine – 1pt in 6 GP

    The verdict?

    He is, and always has been a fuckin beast.

    Every single player from his draft class that has outproduced him has played more minutes with better players and on the powerplay.

    Pierre-Luc Dubois? Stapled to Panarin, 1st unit PP.

    Auston Matthews? Stapled to Nylander, 1st unit PP.

    Patrik Laine? High octane centre and high octane opposite winger every single game, offensive zone starts, hidden from elites, 1st unit PP.

    Debrincat? Stapled to Patrick Kane, 1st unit PP, offensive zone starts.

    Matthew Tkachuk? Stapled to Frolik and Backlund, 1st unit PP.

    Clayton Kellers? Stapled to Stepan, 1st unit PP.

    If they start Jesse with Strome and keep him there, without PP time, I'm talking about firing McLellan every day.

    Staple him to Draisaitl and Rieder and put him on the powerplay. This is not hard.

  151. Primetime says:

    Dominoiler:
    Seems like everyone forgot that the sekera signing was a much needed UFA signing, decent money for decent term derailed by injury (case could be made that 30+ yo players carry an increased risk, but what to do)..

    Not at all…in fact I think Chia getting Sekera right off the bat is one of the better UFA signings this decade for the Oil.

    Was just pointing out the risk involved. There is likely no way to get these older players without adding term. That in itself is not a problem, as long as you are watching closely and try to move the player PRIOR to the decline, not after it has started, so the rest of the term is someone else’s problem.

    Admittedly, this may be a moot point when it comes to Sekera. He was playing his best hockey when he got injured…no time to notice the gradual decline. Would have been interesting if he hadn’t have got hurt in that Anaheim series and if we noticed the slow decline over last year. If we had, I would have advocated we sell now before he falls off a cliff in the later years, and hopefully other teams were not aware of the start of a slide. We never got the chance to see with Sekera….well that and he had a NMC which Chia hands out like candy…

  152. Ari says:

    This is awesome. Thanks for putting the time in!

  153. Wilde says:

    Calvin De Haan is a legit NHL top-4 defenceman.

    He’s a positive rel possession player that was 25th in 5v5 pts/60 among defencemen in the NHL this year. 12th in 5v5 assists/60

    He plays well against top competition and moves the puck well in all zones.

    Easily worth the signing, I would have gone 8years 5M per.

  154. Ari says:

    Wilde,

    Appreciate this. Especially, the last bit on the Qualoty of teammates and PP time.

  155. godot10 says:

    Tulsky is the advanced stats guy in Carolina. Right?

    It appears he may have gained influence after the management shakeup.

    Might be for not unless they can fix Darling and/or Mrazek.

    Faulk is definitely going somewhere.

  156. pts2pndr says:

    judgedrude:
    At this point, I think that Pulju’s centre isn’t as important as being stapled to RNH’s line, wherever the Nuge ends up as C, LW-Drai, or LW-McD.He can provide the proper cover and protection that veterans of the past provided for younglings.

    As awesome the Nuge-McDavid pair was last year, I think that McD can drag along scrubs and win the Art Ross, while Nuge-Drai-PJ would be a formidable second line that could handle the heavies.

    You can leave Nuge with McDavid and put Khaira with Drai and JP and have two lines that can push the river. Chemistry is not always instantaneous but is built over games played as a unit. McLellan and patience have seemingly never met!

  157. Wilde says:

    godot10:
    Tulsky is the advanced stats guy in Carolina. Right?

    It appears he may have gained influence after the management shakeup.

    Might be for not unless they can fix Darling and/or Mrazek.

    Faulk is definitely going somewhere.

    Yes.

    He recently appeared to have a higher position on the staff page of their website, though no formal announcement was made.

  158. OilSafety says:

    Anybody hear about this… from Joshua Marshall. Not exactly a linked in media type

    .@NYRangers @TBLightning @EdmontonOilers News: It sounds like a deal was close on Sunday morning with the #Oilers & #TBLighting but things broke off, #Rangers are now in talks with the Oilers. Keep a eye on these teams in the next 24-72 hours. #NHL https://t.co/hIYVeVCEn4

    https://twitter.com/JMarshyBosco93/status/1014310903481655297?s=19

  159. Wilde says:

    Ari:
    Wilde,

    Appreciate this.Especially, the last bit on the Qualoty of teammates and PP time.

    Enjoyed writing it.

    The overall theme is this: Jesse Puljujarvi rode the same track offensively as all of the other young elite Finnish forwards in the league today.

    The moment he parted with them was the moment he entered the Edmonton Oilers organisation.

    This is not about Jesse.

  160. rickithebear says:

    Munny: Tough for De Haan to turn that down.Can’t imagine he got offered that anywhere else.Maybe Woodguy lent Waddell his phone?

    Sorry boys.

    You do not even believe in 0% Corsi Dmen.
    Russell #1
    De Hana #2

    DeHaan is one of the rare
    Top HD dmen
    Elite 0% corsi dmen
    Who has Top even offensive production.

    I first saw Canucks army on Board with my HD & 0% Corsi theory from my comments on shot quality & projections. Fall 2008 and spring 2009. 3 years before someone presented similar theory at the Sloan conference.

    Most of the HD on board by analytics community is 2015 to now period.

    One more name to add to my HD tree.

  161. Pescador says:

    “Get it right Pete, get it right Daryl, get it right Craig, and Godspeed, Keith.”

    Wilde,

    Good luck with your new endeavors Todd,

    Brilliant Post

  162. pts2pndr says:

    Richard S.S.:
    No one knows how far Jesse Puljujarvi would have dropped if the Oilers had picked second instead of fourth.That being said, he should have been sent down after his nine and told what he needed to work on.When he finally was sent down he was given things to work on.He did not take that demotion well.Considering all his talent, he had only made small progress the next time he was up.His biggest issues still existed.

    This is Jesse Puljujarvi’s last ELC year, contract year coming up – 2 or 8.I agree with Bob Stauffer about Puljujarvi.More small progress, he traded.Strong progress and he might make McDavid’s Line.

    There is so much more to this that it would take a book to explain it all. Start with comming off a serious knee injury and culture shock and you can move on from there! Given his age and talent just a modecum of coaching and patience to build his confidence would do wonders! Massive organizational blunder on how he was handled no matter how you look at it!

  163. Pescador says:

    OilSafety:
    Anybody hear about this… from Joshua Marshall. Not exactly a linked in media type

    .@NYRangers @TBLightning @EdmontonOilers News: It sounds like a deal was close on Sunday morning with the #Oilers & #TBLighting but things broke off, #Rangers are now in talks with the Oilers. Keep a eye on these teams in the next 24-72 hours. #NHL https://t.co/hIYVeVCEn4

    https://twitter.com/JMarshyBosco93/status/1014310903481655297?s=19

    Meh,
    Kassian to the Rangers for a conditional 4th is my guess

  164. rickithebear says:

    LT:

    Have you had working with Wes Gilbertson?

    Cause he brought into question my claim of theories.

    Told him my wife can bear witness too and support the claim of my theories.
    Wife calls Rainman/beautiful mind sessions.

    My wife the award winning sports page reporter/editor for postmedia know to Wes.

    And so it starts.

  165. Wilde says:

    The Edmonton Oilers grabbed the #6 and #21 ranked players on Emmanuel Perry’s league adjusted pts per game chart for the 2018 draft.

    A simple list with no age adjustment, but echoes strength of those first two picks.

  166. Munny says:

    Finally had a moment to sit down and read the details… I see now I misread de Haan’s salary. Thought it was 5.5. 4.5 is much better for a 2nd pairing leftie. 4 years is good term especially since he’s a May Bday so the final year he’ll only be 30.

    Hopefully they saw him workout and had the team quacks have a good look.

    Certainly a smarter move from the Canes than trading an asset for a more expensive also recently injured Sekera would have been. Although old Seksy was sexier than de Haan is.

    Fingers crossed this coming year. Need Seksy Dreamy both back.

  167. rickithebear says:

    Wilde:
    Been running those review for years.
    Elite Prospect is a great tool and easier to use now.

    Look at Khsira,s Fresh NCAA season and similar comps.

    Look at goalies with combined 19-20yr seasons of .930+

    Swedish Dmen U22 +10 08/09 to 17/18

  168. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    rickithebear,

    I went to school with Wes.

  169. Lowetide says:

    rickithebear:
    LT:

    Have you had working with Wes Gilbertson?

    Cause he brought into question my claim of theories.

    Told him my wife can bear witness too and support the claim of my theories.
    Wife calls Rainman/beautiful mind sessions.

    My wife the award winning sports page reporter/editor for postmedia know to Wes.

    And so it starts.

    I haven’t worked with Wes Gilbertson.

  170. Wilde says:

    rickithebear:
    Wilde:
    Been running those review for years.
    Elite Prospect is a great tool and easier to use now.

    Look at Khsira,s Fresh NCAA season and similar comps.

    Look at goalies with combined 19-20yr seasons of .930+

    Swedish Dmen U22 +10 08/09 to 17/18

    Skinner and Larsson I assume?

    Looking at Freshman NCAA seasons is how I found TJ Tynan.

    Above Zucker and Van Riemsdyk, right behind Eaves, Larkin, Kessel and Toews.

    Finished school and has been smashing the AHL for years.

    Vegas signed him to a two year deal last summer, he put up 2.0 primary pts/60 5v5 for the Wolves, 2nd leading scorer for them.

    They just signed Reaves. Maybe they’d take Kassian.

  171. digger50 says:

    Wilde,

    Awesome Post Wilde

    Really did your homework here, I appreciate such a great summary of Jessie’s trajectory and his performance to date.

    Another great post to reflect on this year.

  172. Wilde says:

    Pretendergast:
    Wilde,

    #3 and #16 age adjusted.

    https://thestattest.wordpress.com/2018/04/22/evaluating-the-2018-nhl-draft-class-using-league-age-adjusting-ppg/

    Neat. My pet pick for #71 shows well here too, Niklas Nordgren.

  173. v4ance says:

    Aaron Ward @NHL_AaronWard

    Expecting announcement that #Canes AGM Ricky Olczyk is leaving the organization. Hearing he is likely to land in Toronto in some capacity.

    Eric Tulsky was promoted to VP of Hockey Management and Strategy recently… possibly taking over most of Olczyk’s tasks….

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilSafety:
    Anybody hear about this… from Joshua Marshall. Not exactly a linked in media type

    .@NYRangers @TBLightning @EdmontonOilers News: It sounds like a deal was close on Sunday morning with the #Oilers & #TBLighting but things broke off, #Rangers are now in talks with the Oilers. Keep a eye on these teams in the next 24-72 hours. #NHL https://t.co/hIYVeVCEn4

    https://twitter.com/JMarshyBosco93/status/1014310903481655297?s=19

    I put zero credence in to that account.

  175. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Wilde,

    Awesome post!

    I’m not as blindsided by some about the Oilers verbal around JP. Now given it’s the Oilers I’m willing to admit my view of the situation may be less supported by historical trends than others but I’ve taken all the post season (and very late season by Craig Simpson) as a “it’s time to grow up and put the work in,” message to our young Finn winger.

    I don’t see it as him hanging by a thread but more “ok you know what this league is like, it’s hard as hell, so you really need to up the anti this year to get things going! Go home, train hard, come back with a bag full of confidence and rip the doors off here!”

    Now ones mileage may vary and I desperately hope I’m reading the situation right.

    Have always had really high hopes for JP, he’s like Nurse, if you can see through the mass of legal and arms that are still a size too big you can see the beast lurking beneath.

    Godspeed JP Godspeed!

  176. Jaxon says:

    I’m not sure what really happened with Yakupov. He actually had a great rookie season, too. And his plus/minutes was among the better ones on the team in his rookie season.

    Best Canadian Junior Rookie Seasons directly after being drafted since 2008:
    Name NHL ERA adjusted P1/60
    Alex Galchenyuk 2.64
    Connor McDavid 2.22
    Nico Hischier 2.06
    Nail Yakupov 2.01
    Jeff Skinner 1.93
    Patrick Kane 1.77
    Sam Gagner 1.75
    Matthew Tkachuk 1.73
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.70
    Evander Kane 1.59
    Sean Monahan 1.55
    Nathan MacKinnon 1.54
    Tyler Seguin 1.46
    Sean Couturier 1.45
    Matt Duchene 1.41
    Steven Stamkos 1.39
    John Tavares 1.28
    Gabriel Landeskog 1.23
    Leon Draisaitl 1.16
    Nino Niederreiter 1.15
    Taylor Hall 1.15
    Mikhail Grigorenko 1.13
    Nolan Patrick 1.07
    Mikkel Boedker 0.95
    Daniel Sprong 0.89
    Ryan O’Reilly 0.86
    Alexander Burmistrov 0.84
    Joshua Bailey 0.64

    That’s a pretty impressive rookie season and he didn’t get best linemates on the team (I believe Hall/Nugent-Hopkins/Eberle was line 1, and was Yakupov/Gagner/Hemsky line 2?)

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