Sweetener

by Lowetide

My mother-in-law is Helen. She and her husband couldn’t have children of their own, so they adopted nine kids just to keep themselves busy. It’s an amazing story, I’ll tell you about it one day (including the day Helen stood and delivered to keep four girls together in a life and death meeting in Regina. One of those girls is my wife, Helen took on the church and the government to make sure those girls stayed together, in her home. After she won that battle, she walked to her car and told her husband about the four new kids coming to their house to live forever). Helen makes the best rhubarb pie on earth. No one knows the exact recipe but a mountain of Rogers sugar is involved and I’m here to tell you every grain is worth it.

The Edmonton Oilers may be looking to trade Milan Lucic this summer, with a sweetener thrown in. How many packages of Rogers sugar are involved? That is the question.

THE ATHLETIC!

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OILERS DRAFT TRENDS 2015-18

  • OHL (26 percent)—Connor McDavid, Markus Niemelainen, Dylan Wells, Dmitri Samorukov, Kirill Maksimov, Evan Bouchard, Ryan McLeod
  • USA (26 percent)—Caleb Jones, John Marino, Graham McPhee, Vincent Desharnais, Skyler Brind’Amour, Phillip Kemp, Michael Kesselring
  • WHL (15 percent)—Ethan Bear, Tyler Benson, Kailer Yamamoto, Stuart Skinner
  • Finland (11 percent)—Jesse Puljujarvu, Aapeli Rasanen, Patrik Siikanen
  • Czech (7 percent)—Miroslav Svoboda, Ostap Safin
  • Russia (4 percent)—Ziyat Paigin
  • OJHL (4 percent)—Matthew Cairns
  • Sweden (4 percent)—Filip Berglund
  • QMJHL (4 percent)—Olivier Rodrigue

I like this alignment better, the Oilers are finally migrating away from the WHL as the main supplier of talent. The OHL has shown itself to be king for exactly one forever, and the USA is the big new market. Edmonton remains nervous about spending high picks with USA leagues but that will come in time. The OHL is providing Edmonton with a handsome future.

SWEETENER

If you are trading Milan Lucic and have to add in a sweetener, there are a few items that have to be off limits. My list of ‘assets out’ that are not open for negotiation would include:

  • RD Evan Bouchard. A big piece of the future.
  • R Kailer Yamamoto. One of the great hopes among skill prospects.
  • 2019 draft round pick.

That means the 2019 second-round selection, Ethan Bear, Kirill Maksimov, Caleb Jones, Cooper Marody, Tyler Benson and Phil Kemp might be the sweetener. For me, the appeal of dealing Lucic for a loss is gone, he’s a sunk cost until next summer. However, the extreme poison pill of the buyout might make a trade now worthwhile. I would not be in favor of a trade that costs an asset if the result is merely signing another elevator shaft contract. Best to stay away from free agent ‘bright lights, big city’ with this management group. I also think it reasonable to expect some recovery from Lucic (although I would not play him on the top two lines, as expressed here).

As a reminder about how poor this past season was, here are the 5-on-5 numbers without McDavid for the forward group (via Natural Stat Trick):

  1. Pontus Aberg 2.26 (159:08)
  2. Leon Draisaitl 2.01 (628:15)
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.66 (694:04)
  4. Jujhar Khaira 1.43 (712:51)
  5. Ryan Strome 1.42 (932:14)
  6. Zack Kassian 1.29 (696:30)
  7. Milan Lucic 1.22 (689:36)
  8. Jesse Puljujarvi 0.97 (558:31)
  9. Drake Caggiula 0.95 (629:45)
  10. Kailer Yamamoto 0.00 (53:24)
  11. Ty Rattie 0.00 (34.10)

Draisaitl is going to be relied on in a big way this winter to outscore opponents on a line that does not include McDavid, these numbers are solid (Leon was also 50.42 Corsi for 5×5 without 97 a year ago, just 42.42 percent in goal differential) and a key for 2018-19. If Lucic could win a job on Draisaitl’s line on merit, it would be a major help. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect it to happen and would suggest it wise to assume Tobias Rieder wins the No. 2 left wing job.

I know many wanted to see Maroon back in Edmonton, but his skills duplicate Lucic in many ways. Edmonton needs a different look on the portside, and a depth chart of Nugent-Hopkins, Rieder, Lucic and Jujhar Khaira means Maroon is probably on the outside.

 ODDS AND ENDS

  • There’s an interesting article on Ryan McLeod and his Oilers connections here, via Iain Colpitts of the Mississauga News.
  • Derek Van Diest has an article on Evan Bouchard at NHL.com.

FRANK

A lot of verbal online in the last 24 hours, I wanted to mention a few things about Frank Seravalli. If Frank tells you there’s something there, you can take it to the bank. He has been ahead of the curve on many transactions over recent years and his Oilers intel is excellent. Frank is not a Toronto insider, as far as I know he’s never covered the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I doubt my words will do very much to help, but wanted to put it out there. If you want to frame Seravalli as anti-Oilers and a Toronto insider, you are going to have to overcome the facts. He isn’t reporting things to piss you off, he is reporting them because they are real. There’s a difference.

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rickithebear

Rogers communication Owns 37.5% of MLSE.
Bell Canada owns 37.5% of MLSE.
TML are the worst team in sports history and continue to be.
0% nhl pennant (Conf) or cup championship.
2 champions and 29 losing orgs each year.
Yet the narrative is attack on oilers org.
With a pennant in 05-06.

LT and Frank work with the TML ownership group.
Luckily LT’s oiler blood holds true.

Kinger_Oil.redux

Melvis:
stephen sheps,

Thanks. I’m just trying to plan ahead a bit. I received an email on Sat. suggesting a possible open date for a gallery show sooner than later. Meaning I might have to hunker down and work my tail off through August and the next couple of months.

I’ve copied the email so you can delete if so wished.

– Where do I find out more information about your vernissage Melvis?

– Play golf right, shoot left, tennis left, throw right. Play baseball about 4 times a year and can never figure out which side to hit from (LT loved the switch-hitters: I’m the White Tim Raines with no pop speed or average) Untill I was 6 I switched hands when I was writing. Rather than cross-over I’d start with left hand, then switch to right. Stupid teacher would slap my wrist when I did the cross-over: so I write left-handed.

Bag of Pucks

If I’m Chiarelli, I’m investigating the market for Lucic now but am likely holding until the 20 G mark of the season to trade him.

At that point, you’ll know what return to form (if any) has come from Milan, and you’ll also have a better sense for roster needs based on the performance of a number of players who need fresh evaluation following regressive seasons last year.

It also gives you time to see if the likes of Yamamoto, Puli, Benson or Aberg demonstrate legitimate traction as Top 6 F options.

Most players and managers in this situation will agree that the player needs to improve his play in the short-term to make himself more marketable as a trade asset. IMO, we’ll know 3 games in. If Lucic is playing like a miserable SOB like he did in his prime, we may have a viable trade chip. If he’s the more gentle bear we saw last year, we’re likely looking at a sweetener needed to dump the contract.

Everyone points to Lucic’s hit totals as evidence that he’s not lost his taste for the rough stuff. That only tells part of the story imo. This is a player that needs to fight AND play past the whistle to be effective. He can’t coast on reputation.

Jaxon

Melvis,

https://youtu.be/DUrtlfuJVgA

Ehlers switches hands mid-play.

Myself. I shoot left in hockey, bat right, throw right and catch left in baseball, catch left as a goalie, serve right in volleyball and racket sports, write right, brush teeth left, golf swing right but putt left.

My dad (from Saskatchewan and loved Howe) always wanted me to practice left and right in hockey but I never would.

Diamond Dick

OriginalPouzar,

Woodguy v2.0: The response by Frank was factual.

Doesn’t/didn’t make not unnecessary, pretentious. condescending and unprofessional.

Again, the continued vitriol towards Serevelli is childish, unnecessary and embarrassing.

This whole “fight” is ridiculous and I’m losing respect for many in the community the longer it continues (no, not Frank, he made one response and that was it).

so let it go for crying out loud

Atc-Nate

Melvis,

That is all very interesting stuff. I’ve never heard of partial ambidextrous people. I do find it unique that I golf right, throw right and shoot left, but always thought that was fairly normal based on dominant hand positioning.

However I have a friend, throws right, golfs left and shoots left. It’s a bit strange. I’d suggest that any NHLers who happen to be ambidextrous probably keep it to their preferred shooting hand as switching up might throw your linemates off…. ??

An NHL shooter might be a great person to be ambidextrous, take Ovi for example. They get used to defending the left circle and he swaps sticks and goes to the right. How do you defend both. Haha.

jp

ArmchairGM: I’m not at all sure a B prospect gets it done though.

Well sure, that’s a different issue, and valid. But if a B prospect/pick is enough to get a Lucic deal done, you have to do it.

Woodguy v2.0

Wilde: That’s what’ll happen, over the 3 year cooling period of his offence he hasn’t seen any TOI reduction. Even after the coaching change(February) he played top six ice-time steady.

I wouldn’t do it though. I think you can put him in the Matt Tkachuk spot and roll it. He has junior offense in the neighbourhood, the two-way reputation and the two veterans are good enough. O’Reilly being the Backlund.

Obviously camp matters, but the Blues seem to like Thomas enough(cited untouchable in the trade rumours) so given Armstrong doesn’t get fully McLellan’d I don’t think entirely out of the realm of possibility.

This is more driven by “they just paid $5MM for Bozak, he’s going to play C” and then the wingers just fall in line

ArmchairGM

jp: Fair that there aren’t really any FA options out there now, but it still allows for a longer term Nurse deal for instance, or bringing in salary via trade.

The issue is the remainder of the contract. As WG said, 5 (5!!!) more years. Basically every long term UFA deal will underpay at the beginning and overpay at the end (at least in cap hit).

The Oilers just got the best 2 years of the Lucic deal (!!), no one ever expected years 5-7 of that deal to be value (not Chiarelli, maybe not even Lucic).

You’ve got to get out from under that if you possibly can. It could be Puljujarvi or Yamamoto’s extensions, (re)signing a goalie next summer, bringing in Skinner. Plus the risk of having to protect him in the expansion draft. The possibilities are scary.

I agree with WG that a “B” prospect to move him is a no-brainer. Even if there aren’t any obvious candidates in UFA left.

I’m not at all sure a B prospect gets it done though.

Melvis

stephen sheps,

Thanks. I’m just trying to plan ahead a bit. I received an email on Sat. suggesting a possible open date for a gallery show sooner than later. Meaning I might have to hunker down and work my tail off through August and the next couple of months.

I’ve copied the email so you can delete if so wished.

jp

ArmchairGM: Who would you use that cap space on though? Maroon (rumored to be signing with St Louis) is the only UFA that had more points than Lucic last year – a grand total of 6 more points. Is that 6 points worth a B prospect, assuming that a B prospect gets it done?

Fair that there aren’t really any FA options out there now, but it still allows for a longer term Nurse deal for instance, or bringing in salary via trade.

The issue is the remainder of the contract. As WG said, 5 (5!!!) more years. Basically every long term UFA deal will underpay at the beginning and overpay at the end (at least in cap hit).

The Oilers just got the best 2 years of the Lucic deal (!!), no one ever expected years 5-7 of that deal to be value (not Chiarelli, maybe not even Lucic).

You’ve got to get out from under that if you possibly can. It could be Puljujarvi or Yamamoto’s extensions, (re)signing a goalie next summer, bringing in Skinner. Plus the risk of having to protect him in the expansion draft. The possibilities are scary.

I agree with WG that a “B” prospect to move him is a no-brainer. Even if there aren’t any obvious candidates in UFA left.

stephen sheps

Melvis: I catch left, throw right. Except when faced with playing goal in street or rec hockey. I have problems deciding whether to hold stick right or left. I’m often “warding off” stick left…and catching right. The stronger right arm, in this scenario, feels totally disconnected from my body. Therefore, useless with a stick in it, given the task at hand.

I’m much the same. While I’m right hand dominant in so far as I write (in English) with my right hand and throw right playing baseball or football, in hockey I shot left, but when I played in goal I was a right hand catcher, I write (well, wrote – it’s been years) in Hebrew left handed and play guitar left.

Being mostly but not completely ambidextrous is weird.

stephen sheps

Melvis,

Sorry for the late reply. Was offline last night.

Anyhoo, I’m back the last 9 days of August.

Drop me a line at stephensheps(at)gmail(dot)com

Wilde

Woodguy v2.0:
Wilde,

I think Steen is going to play wing with ROR vs toughs and Bozak will center kids on a soft 3rds. Thomas and Fabbri probably

That’s what’ll happen, over the 3 year cooling period of his offence he hasn’t seen any TOI reduction. Even after the coaching change(February) he played top six ice-time steady.

I wouldn’t do it though. I think you can put him in the Matt Tkachuk spot and roll it. He has junior offense in the neighbourhood, the two-way reputation and the two veterans are good enough. O’Reilly being the Backlund.

Obviously camp matters, but the Blues seem to like Thomas enough(cited untouchable in the trade rumours) so given Armstrong doesn’t get fully McLellan’d I don’t think entirely out of the realm of possibility.

OriginalPouzar

Woodguy v2.0: The response by Frank was factual.

Doesn’t/didn’t make not unnecessary, pretentious. condescending and unprofessional.

Again, the continued vitriol towards Serevelli is childish, unnecessary and embarrassing.

This whole “fight” is ridiculous and I’m losing respect for many in the community the longer it continues (no, not Frank, he made one response and that was it).

Woodguy v2.0

Wilde,

I think Steen is going to play wing with ROR vs toughs and Bozak will center kids on a soft 3rds. Thomas and Fabbri probably

Woodguy v2.0

JimmyV1965: Staples always makes it clear he is an Oilers fan first and foremost. The website and podcast are a passion, rather than a straight up beat. I thoroughly enjoy both. And I think they are doing a great job with their project to visually track every goal the Oilers are involved in.

I agree.

People characterizing him as an Oilers reporter are incorrect

Woodguy v2.0

OriginalPouzar: I disagree with your opinion (not fact) that I am off-base.

The response was pretentious and condescending (and therefore unnecessary and unprofessional).

The responses to the response have been worse.

Its childish and all involved in the social media attacks are embarrass and should stop.

The response by Frank was factual.

ArmchairGM

Woodguy v2.0:
Adding a “B” prospect to move Lucic is a no-brainer imo.

The cap space he uses up could be used for a better player who moves the needle and that’s what EDM needs right now.

There are 5 (5!!) years left on that contract.

Even if Lucic rebounds to 50pts that is not worth $6MM and it will get worse as time goes by.

Admit the mistake, move on and do as little damage as possible extracting yourself from the situation.

Who would you use that cap space on though? Maroon (rumored to be signing with St Louis) is the only UFA that had more points than Lucic last year – a grand total of 6 more points. Is that 6 points worth a B prospect, assuming that a B prospect gets it done?

Professor Q

VOR:
Bill Durnan, if memory serves, played goal with specialized gloves that allowed him to hold the stick in either hand. I think I remember seeing film.

Nikolaj Ehlers people tell me is ambidextrous. I have no idea if he switches in game.

Hasn’t there only been one or two ambidextrous players to have switched in game and scored a goal both ways?

It was a player lesser named than Howe, for sure, but can’t recall their name. Howe only did it during a practice and got a good sound bite out of it. Esposito almost scored with his off-hand stick. Easier for those players and goalies where the stick blade was flat and offered that ability (Crosby for the first few years).

Roloson and Turco, etc.

I used to practice with both handed sticks and throwing/dribbling/kicking balls with the off hand/foot, just because and because I saw in some research when I was younger that you can train your brain and hand to be ambidextrous, and it would help your brain function better (differently?).

OriginalPouzar

v4ance:
Lou Korac @lkorac10


Here’s what I got: told that Patrick Maroon to #stlblues has been finalized, could be announced Monday & expected to be for one-year, $1.7 million & that Blues and Maroon will entertain a contract extension when first allowed in January. Looks like Oakville native is coming home.

I don’t know this twitter account but he’s apparently an NHL.com beat writer for St. Louis

Maroon’s brother took to twitter after the fact to deny the information but who knows.

v4ance

Lou Korac @lkorac10

Here’s what I got: told that Patrick Maroon to #stlblues has been finalized, could be announced Monday & expected to be for one-year, $1.7 million & that Blues and Maroon will entertain a contract extension when first allowed in January. Looks like Oakville native is coming home.

I don’t know this twitter account but he’s apparently an NHL.com beat writer for St. Louis

Melvis

VOR,

I catch left, throw right. Except when faced with playing goal in street or rec hockey. I have problems deciding whether to hold stick right or left. I’m often “warding off” stick left…and catching right. The stronger right arm, in this scenario, feels totally disconnected from my body. Therefore, useless with a stick in it, given the task at hand.

I’ve come acrooss some anecdotal evidence suggesting experienced Spitfire or P-51 pilots discovered greener ME 109 pilots pushed left stick and rudder automatically all too often. It cost them their lives.

Also the plane itself was quirky that way. Those who fought the engineering and personal tendency and pulled to the right more often than not tended to be more successful.

Wilde

JimmyV1965: Their one weakness is goaltending. And it could be a fatal flaw. Not sure if Armstrong has done enough to address the issue. Allen is like Talbot. He might be great, but he might crap the bed. Interesting question I just thought of. Who’s better at backup? Koskinnen or Johnson. I think Koskinnen has higher upside, but…

I have zero confidence in my ability to evaluate goaltenders and little more in my ability to evaluate defense corps, but here’s the deal with St. Louis.

They were a top-5 in all shots/chances against metrics 5v5, same with goals against per 60.

(except regular scoring chances against where they were 11th, but 4th in high danger ones, so.)

So just by looking at what they give up, it’s not much.

I’m much more comfortable evaluating forwards and forward deployments, and here’s how I’d have theirs:

Schwartz – Schenn – Tarasenko

No brainer. Disgusting over three-and-a-half goal per 60 line with a sustainable(for a top line) shooting percentage of 9.22. Dominates possession, gets fed all the OZS’s and has the possibility of being even more deadly there this year.

Thomas – O’Reilly – Perron

Whenever you feed a line offensive zone starts, someone has to take the DZS. I prefer a skilled line to do this over the archaic grinder line that’s asking to get scored on in the more hack-free fast paced NHL. O’Reilly’s used to this, drives possession through tough deployment. Perron on RW is a switch that’s been made since he changed up his game to being a passer(he talked to the Athletic about this mid-season) and he’s also nasty to play against. Rounding out the line you have the future tough minutes centre learning from O’Reilly. I’d have him alternating faceoffs with O’Reilly based on strong-sidedness(right vs left handed), the new face-off rules are much less veteran-slanted than before.

Fabbri – Steen – Bozak

The underrated part of putting Thomas at 2LW is you bump Steen down. Steen’s offensive declination has hit the three-season-sample marker, posting 1.57/60, 1.57/60, then 1.39/60. This is also another double centre line that can alternate on faceoffs. Bozak can still score, you basically hope that him and Fabbri can put the finishes touches on scoring plays here.

The fourth line I don’t care about, but I’d definitely not use Thorburn and Jaskin is a sure bet.

I’d have to dig more on their powerplay to find the problem there. Tarasenko should be perennially in the top 10 in powerplay goals. Their powerplay was second worst, next to you-know-who.

If they can figure out a configuration like this or better, I see them going far. They could not score last year. They need to get about a fifth of a goal extra an hour, and they’re a lock for the playoffs. Would be more fun to watch, too.

VOR

Bill Durnan, if memory serves, played goal with specialized gloves that allowed him to hold the stick in either hand. I think I remember seeing film.

Nikolaj Ehlers people tell me is ambidextrous. I have no idea if he switches in game.

Melvis

Atc-Nate,

Also, for a righty, my dad threw like a girl right handed. Until he took me out behind the barn. He turned out pretty handy with three feet of horse bridle in his left.

JimmyV1965

Wilde:
JimmyV1965,

digger50,

I’m strong on the Blues this year as a team, but now I actually hope they do well. They have great stories:

– Robby Fabbri coming back from a heartbreaking training camp injury that put him out for the season

– Maroon finally being close to his son

– O’Reilly gets a second chance after losing his passion for the game in Buffalo

– Armstrong bolsters his roster after giving them the veto of confidence at the deadline, giving them no excuses not to make the playoffs

Their one weakness is goaltending. And it could be a fatal flaw. Not sure if Armstrong has done enough to address the issue. Allen is like Talbot. He might be great, but he might crap the bed. Interesting question I just thought of. Who’s better at backup? Koskinnen or Johnson. I think Koskinnen has higher upside, but…

Melvis

Atc-Nate,

I’m finding all of this quite fascinating. I was just watching Simon Phillips a minute ago. A natural lefty drummer using a trad setup, and moving across the kit leading with his right hand….suggesting a considerable amount of ambidexterity.

Even more than usual in good drummers, who are capable of four limb independence in simultaneously different time signatures. For an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8RvIG3FFw&frags=pl%2Cwn

Wilde

JimmyV1965,

digger50,

I’m strong on the Blues this year as a team, but now I actually hope they do well. They have great stories:

– Robby Fabbri coming back from a heartbreaking training camp injury that put him out for the season

– Maroon finally being close to his son

– O’Reilly gets a second chance after losing his passion for the game in Buffalo

– Armstrong bolsters his roster after giving them the veto of confidence at the deadline, giving them no excuses not to make the playoffs

Atc-Nate

Melvis,

My buddy just told me the story of his kid… he put him in baseball for a year and was frustrated. Considering he (the buddy) was a solid ball player, he figured the genetics should pass on. Unfortunately, by his observation, his son “throws like a girl”.

Anyhow, he’s out in the back yard (he has about 3 acres) and spots his son grab a ball (no glove on) and hurl it… with his left hand… all the way across the lawn. Shoulda bought him a lefty glove.

digger50

v4ance:
Jeremy Rutherford @jprutherford

Maroon update: Agent @BenHankinson tells The Athletic that no decision is expected tonight, and that while the Blues remain a “strong option,” there are other teams still in the mix. #stlblues

Thank you for the update.

So my first thoughts were that he was waiting for something to come in. A shoe to drop. Teams vying for his services.

Then 1 year at 1.75????

My lord, Peter needs to grab that in a heartbeat. That’s a gift. Fills a top six position with a 20 goal scorer for that price?

If this turns out to be true and he goes to St Lous for that, it’s a big miss by the Oil.

JimmyV1965

LadiesloveSmid: Now I’m seeing word of $1.7M 1 year deal with STL being announced soon.

Wish EDM could’ve gotten him at that dollar instead of say, Caggiula. Hard to not like his decision, gets to live in the same city as his little boy Anthony. Hope for the best for Patty.

If Maroon signs for 1.7 for one year, he’s being taken advantage of. That’s not a hometown discount. It’s a fleecing. The Blues just signed Perron for four years at 4. He might be better, but the margin aint that great. We just signed Reider for one year at 2. It’s admirable that he wants to be close to his son that much, but wow that’s a hell of a deal for the Blues.

Melvis

Ancient Oilers Fan,

Thanks for that.

Ancient Oilers Fan

Melvis:
Here’s an off piste question. Baseball is somewha t redolent with switch hitters. Or used to be. I haven’t scoured the details but I suspect some actually sportedbetter OBP at timesbatting “wrong handed”. ( I’m primarily right handed, but I tend toward a lot of left handedness. Batting, hockey, golf, even drawing the figure, etc. Shooting… I hold the rifle right and scope across, left eyed. )

Apparently there are more lefty golfers in Canada per capita than any other country in the world.

Here’s the question. Anybody ever heard of a switch hitting hockey player? A stack ofleft and right sticks behind the bench?

Gordie Howe was your switch hitting hockey player. He would change the angle of his shot by changing hands/handedness, whatever. Goalie suddenly way out of position. I believe it is mentioned on his Wikipedia page.

Melvis

Pescador: Hope you were dying to get caught up on the ‘Staples vs Seravelli’ pissing contest,
And all of the subsequent Hot takes on whose right & whose wrong

Summertime Blues Pescador. Summertime Blues. Explains everything.

Pescador

colieo_87:
Whoop whoop finally can read the comments its been a rough week

Hope you were dying to get caught up on the ‘Staples vs Seravelli’ pissing contest,
And all of the subsequent Hot takes on whose right & whose wrong

theDjdj

For those clever enough to subscribe to The Athletic, I just stumbled across a terrific article about John Cooper and Patrick Maroon kickstarting eachothers NHL careers together in a backwater Tier II hockey team on the border of Texas and Arkansas https://theathletic.com/316415/2018/04/16/how-texarkana-launched-jon-cooper-and-patrick-maroon-to-the-nhl/

Really is fascinating how far some of these NHL players stray from the bright lights but through sheer will force their way into the League. My admiration for Maroon has grown. And Cooper too actually, who constantly had to justify his performance to the Old Boys Club (including, interestingly, Kevin Lowe)

Melvis

I type HC and end up with HD. Is there an ad on this blog for Head Doctors, or something?

Jethro Tull

Ryan:
Off topic…

Tyler Dellow has an interesting writing style in that it always makes you feel akin to wielding a ginsu 2000 cutting knife.

Step 1. Dellow introduces a superbly salient hockey analytics question. You stop. You reflect. Your languid mind feels a sense of exhaustion contemplating this conundrum. You capitulate.

Step 2. You return to reading the article. CHOP! Dellow gives you the answer. Full scale! Holy bleep now I feel like a bleeping genius. That was so easy. Wait.

Step 3. Regret. Why can’t I have a Dellowesque answer to all life’s questions.

Rambling…

Love this Dellow quote:

“If you look at this closely, you can see how the players who are able to generate GF/60 above the 90th percentile are just generating great gobs of value. The Oilers have scored 3.57 GF/60 over the past two years with Connor McDavid on the ice, 0.56 GF/60 above the 90th percentile. It’s like the difference between the 90th percentile and the 40th percentile…”

https://theathletic.com/421299/2018/07/06/dellow-john-tavares-tyler-bozak-and-how-non-elite-players-can-put-up-elite-numbers-with-elite-players/

Sooooo, the point is even shitty players look good playing with the world’s best player?

Even Bylsma won a cup with Crosby.

rickithebear

27g from maroon @ 1.7
Or
27g from Rattie at .8

Maroon running MCd – Drai
Or
Rattie running for RNH – MCD.

I will take 3 years of RNH as a 6M steal.
And the pair zooming the next 1M winger in line.

Melvis

Richard S.S.: Presently Peter Chiarelli has his people on the job, people he trusts.

You mean the Machiavelli who canned 3 AC’s for a new bunch of consiglieres pushing the HD for different results because he (Peter) was too chickenshit to actually whack him?

Given the potential fallout? Give me a break.

I’ll be pushing up daisies before this team wins another cup.

rickithebear

theDjdj:
Milan Lucic is not worth 6m at this stage. But his production isn’t zero, he has some worth. Is his production worth 4m? 3.5? If you send out an asset that is going to cost you more to replace than the difference between Lucic’s current worth vs cap hit than you’re losing value.

I presented this position a couple weeks ago.

The numbers have changed post UFA.
But goals and unit diff by salary.
6M fwd 25g +11
5.5M fwd 23g +9
5.0M fwd 21g +7
4.5M fwd 19g +5

Ryan

Off topic…

Tyler Dellow has an interesting writing style in that it always makes you feel akin to wielding a ginsu 2000 cutting knife.

Step 1. Dellow introduces a superbly salient hockey analytics question. You stop. You reflect. Your languid mind feels a sense of exhaustion contemplating this conundrum. You capitulate.

Step 2. You return to reading the article. CHOP! Dellow gives you the answer. Full scale! Holy bleep now I feel like a bleeping genius. That was so easy. Wait.

Step 3. Regret. Why can’t I have a Dellowesque answer to all life’s questions.

Rambling…

Love this Dellow quote:

“If you look at this closely, you can see how the players who are able to generate GF/60 above the 90th percentile are just generating great gobs of value. The Oilers have scored 3.57 GF/60 over the past two years with Connor McDavid on the ice, 0.56 GF/60 above the 90th percentile. It’s like the difference between the 90th percentile and the 40th percentile…”

https://theathletic.com/421299/2018/07/06/dellow-john-tavares-tyler-bozak-and-how-non-elite-players-can-put-up-elite-numbers-with-elite-players/

Scungilli Slushy

Melvis:
Scungilli Slushy,

Yeah, and then Reaves turns into another Marchessault. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit. lol

That would be something. You never know with those guys.

Jaxon

Wow, was just looking at McDavid’s season and calculated that he scored at a 134 point pace in his final 33 games (Feb. 1st onward). Wow. Looking forward to next season.

Melvis

Scungilli Slushy,

Yeah, and then Reaves turns into another Marchessault. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit. lol

Richard S.S.

OriginalPouzar,

That’s talking about next year. Too bad, liked your rant. More applicable this year as Lucic has five years left and costs a bit more

OriginalPouzar

Well, yes, I would have taken Maroon back at 1 X $1.7M.

Richard S.S.

1) in 2015, Peter Chiarelli was stepping into the world’s best situation, Connor McDavid, and the world’s worst situation, the cluster-f that was the Oilers. He knew what the Oilers’ big needs were, but he had to trust the cluster-f people still in power with the Oilers.
1a) It’s apparent the Oilers did not have anything current/detailed on Griffin Reinhart. It’s possible Peter drafts differently with that information.

2) Presently Peter Chiarelli has his people on the job, people he trusts. Just not all the fans trust him. Too bad, they must long for the return of decades of darkness.

Melvis

Pescador: Let’s start a war shall we?
Swinging a bat is far easier then shooting a hockey stick……
So I’m a gunna sa Non,
But but but I would add,
Hitting a Valenzuela (El toro) Screwball or a Ricky Vaughn (Wild Thing) Speedball
Can’t possibly be as easy as it looks

Just wondering. Just shovelling out the damn driveway right handed when it’s called for is
a serious pain in the butt. It’s either that, or throw 10 feet instead of two. And don’t tell me to buy a ” righty snowblower’.