Dream Comfort Memory to Spare

by Lowetide

We’re mostly through the procurement portion of the summer, meaning the RE estimates can begin. Pain in the ass is what it is but for me it helps make sense of the season to come. It actually makes me angry truth to tell, because balance and depth remain out of sight. The last two drafts are encouraging but the Edmonton Oilers have been out of time for most of this century and it doesn’t have to be that way. (Photo by Rob Ferguson)

THE ATHLETIC!

Give The Athletic as a gift or get it yourself and join the fun! Offer is here, less than $5 a month! I find myself reading both the hockey (Willis, Dellow, Pronman, et cetera) and the baseball coverage a lot, it’s a pure pleasure to visit. We’ll sell you the whole seat, but you’ll only need the edge.

  • New Lowetide: UFA’s still available who can help the 2018-19 Oilers (will link)
  • New Jonathan Willis: Analyzing the Oilers 2018-19 depth chart (including additions)
  • Lowetide: Bakersfield Condors could be best Oilers AHL team in ages
  • Lowetide: In search of value contracts for 2018-19
  • Lowetide: Handicapping the race to win jobs on McDavid/Draisaitl wings
  • Lowetide: Three prospects on the upswing after orientation camp, free agency
  • Lowetide: Oilers grab Tobias Rieder in free agency
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers hopes rest on players already on the roster
  • Lowetide: Frugal Oilers grab Kyle Brodziak in free agency
  • Jonathan Willis: How will Oilers manage rich collection of goalie prospects?
  • Lowetide: Is Evan Bouchard NHL-ready?
  • Lowetide: The maturation of Daryl Katz, or heading down a dangerous road?

RE GP REVIEW 2017-18

  • This is my projected games (actual games in brackets), with players in blue either surprisingly elevated by the team (Yamamoto), or players who were acquired after I made my RE predictions July 8 one year ago.
  • It’s fairly accurate, I missed on the unforeseen (Larsson missing so many games, traded guys) and on a few players up and down like Jujhar Khaira and Iiro Pakarinen. Moving target clearly, I’ll be happy if I get this close next season.
  • The key is we didn’t miss any major players. Now, let’s see about this year’s predictions.

RE GP PREVIEW 2018-19

  • The lines are loose, going with veterans over kids to begin the process.
  • Much like a year ago, right wing is up in the air. I have Ty Rattie, Kailer Yamamoto, Tobias Rieder, Jesse Puljujarvi and Drake Caggiula getting top-six minutes on right wing this coming season. What does this mean? Ryan Strome will play the entire season with McDavid.
  • The two rookies of note are Yamamoto (I have him playing half the season) and Evan Bouchard, who gets the nine games.
  • Is this a playoff team? I’m never going to bet against a Connor McDavid team, and I do think the Oilers will be more aggressive in addressing goaltending if it flags early.
  • Edmonton has room for one more forward, I think they should spend it on a penalty killer.
  • How much will they score? I have 232 goals before drilling down on the power play (it could add 5-10 goals but that’s not certain).
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins [25]Connor McDavid [40]Ty Rattie [12]
  • Milan Lucic [12]Leon Draisaitl [27]Tobias Rieder [15] 
  • Jujhar Khaira [7]Ryan Strome [15]Jesse Puljujarvi [16] 
  • Drake Caggiula [8]Kyle Brodziak [8]Zack Kassian [7]
  • Pontus Aberg [3]Brad Malone [1]Kailer Yamamoto [8]
  • Oscar Klefbom [8]Adam Larsson [2]
  • Andrej Sekera [4]Kris Russell [2]
  • Darnell Nurse [5]Matt Benning [4]
  • Kevin Gravel [0]—Ethan Bear [2]Evan Bouchard [1]
  • Cam Talbot—Mikko Koskinen

https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey/status/1016413760204955649

I thought it was pretty funny myself, many people see this as being Edmonton. There are things about the quote that fit the Oilers, and the Flames are generally seen as having one (if not the) best defensive groups in the game. Vancouver is a non-starter. Edmonton’s defense isn’t perfect, and is still reliant on players like Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse further establishing themselves. It could be McDavid zooming the numbers, that’s a piece of evidence that should never leave the table, but the Puck IQ numbers have some good things to say about men like Klefbom, Larsson and Benning.

Nurse handled too many elite minutes, the result of injury to others. It may inform us about where he’ll hand (second pairing or third) but it doesn’t trash the entire group.  Here are the DFF totals for 2016-17, showing Benning, Larsson and Klefbom once again doing well with bigger minutes against elites:

The agent’s story about the player who wouldn’t sign with a western Canadian team may well be about the Oilers, but there is some quality here. The Oilers need to improve on defense, suggest they recognized as much when using No. 10 overall on Evan Bouchard.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning, cut short by World Cup Soccer. At 10, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. How about that Oilers’ defense? Plus who should the team sign with that final $1 million?
  • Alan McInally, Sky Sports. World Cup Soccer!
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. We’ll look at the Maple Leafs and what their work over the last five seasons brought them.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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Jaxon

Berglund may turn out to be a diamond in the rough. He was drafted as an overager so his stats are a bit high as you’d expect, but he compared well in his draft season to others draft+1 seasons or at the same age (SuperElit seasons with *small letters):

PLAYER (NHLe in 18-year-old (or draft+1) season)
*David Rundblad 30.75
*John Klingberg 26.86
*Calle Andersson 25.22
ALEX PIETRANGELO 21.14
RYAN PULOCK 21.13
ERIK JOHNSON 21.12
ETHAN BEAR 20.86
P.K. SUBBAN 20.81
JACOB TROUBA 20.57
DARNELL NURSE 20.50
*Niklas Hansson 20.50
MARTIN GERNAT 20.30
ERIC GUDBRANSON 20.28
STEFAN ELLIOTT 19.99
MICHAEL STONE 19.57
CONNOR MURPHY 19.49
*Filip Berglund 19.48*********
MARTIN MARINCIN 18.51
MADISON BOWEY 18.45
ALEX PETROVIC 18.29
JEFF PETRY 18.11
MIKE REILLY 17.35
*Julius Bergman 15.58
*Alexander Edler 14.35
*Johnny Oduya 13.53
*Erik Gustafsson 12.51

He has also improved and shown up arrows since being drafted in a very difficult pro men’s league.

Jaxon

Wilde,
This is how I’d rank their potential (and truthfully, I could probably be convinced that yours is more accurate as it can be highly subjective depending on what you value):
Potential:
1) Bouchard
2) Yamamoto
3) Benson
4) McLeod
5) Bear
6) Berglund
7) Safin
8) Maksimov
9) Jones
10) Samorukov

Wilde

ArmchairGM: Yes, well, Crosby and Guentzel were shooting the lights out, so you’d expect the third wheel to get a lot of 2nd assists.

If you’re contextualising Sheary’s numbers you have to do it for everyone else too.

That’s why just noting Matthews’ 5v5 production isn’t a very deep argument for his status as a top 3 /player/ in the league.

For example, Matthews’ GF/60 with Nylander is 4.34 – which is gross by the way and should be the goal for Nuge-McDavid this year – and Matthews away is 3.13.

That’s not to say Nylander is carrying him, he’s worse away from Auston too, but it does show that an elite forward stranded can’t be compared to one with company.

Then there’s shooting variance, quality of competition, team systems, deployment and the entire defensive half of the game.

GMB3

OriginalPouzar: Depends on how you define “hit”.

Considering there is about a 30% chance of a 3rd round pick becoming an NHL player, the Khaira picks can be considered “a hit”.

Fair enough. I was thinking more towards an impact player.

Jaxon

Wilde: I think Safin has a few ‘attribute’ edges like being a better handler, transporter, and skater. I don’t think Maksimov has enough of an edge shot-wise to make up for it. Safin and Maksimov have basically the same shooting ability when it comes to in-traffic 5v5 play, but obviously Maksimov has that hammer when you outnumber.

There’s a numbers edge, especially considering Maksimov plays in a better league but Safin was on an absolute island this year and had a strong year numerically when his rookie status and team strength are taken into account.

When you look at Maksimov’s team, you can see there was a strong top line of 3 80 point players and I have no doubt Kirill both bolstered the line and benefitted from it.

When you look at Safin’s it’s a straight mess. His 26 goals represent a lead of 10 over the next guy(16 goals in 2nd place!)

If you pull it back to semi-abstract player identities, I think Maksimov could turn into a 20-goal middle six winger who puts in work on the powerplay.

Whereas Safin could be a strong all-situations guy, sort of a Benoit Pouliotesque disrupter with a penchant for sprinkling in highlight reel north-south goals rolled into a 40pt, positive possession, three hours of killing penalties season.

MAksimov’s got a better chance of punching his ticket, though.

Nice analysis.

Professor Q

Although a Conor, Connor, Connor line would be something to see, I’m very happy with the Nuge and Connor line (with Drai having his own, as a Top 15-20 player).

ArmchairGM

Wilde: Was talking 16-17

Yes, well, Crosby and Guentzel were shooting the lights out, so you’d expect the third wheel to get a lot of 2nd assists.

Genjutsu

OriginalPouzar: No, the 22 year old Drai is not in the same tier as the 25 year old Kucherov but his numbers are just as impressive as Kucherov’s at age 22. My point is, I don’t think its unreasonable for Drai to be just as valuable as Kucherov is when he hits age 25.

Matthews is going to be a top 3 player in the league very soon.

As long as he can stay healthy. Quite a few head shot at very young age.

Wilde

GMB3: Interesting, what is the rationale behind having Safin over Maksimov for potential?

I think Safin has a few ‘attribute’ edges like being a better handler, transporter, and skater. I don’t think Maksimov has enough of an edge shot-wise to make up for it. Safin and Maksimov have basically the same shooting ability when it comes to in-traffic 5v5 play, but obviously Maksimov has that hammer when you outnumber.

There’s a numbers edge, especially considering Maksimov plays in a better league but Safin was on an absolute island this year and had a strong year numerically when his rookie status and team strength are taken into account.

When you look at Maksimov’s team, you can see there was a strong top line of 3 80 point players and I have no doubt Kirill both bolstered the line and benefitted from it.

When you look at Safin’s it’s a straight mess. His 26 goals represent a lead of 10 over the next guy(16 goals in 2nd place!)

If you pull it back to semi-abstract player identities, I think Maksimov could turn into a 20-goal middle six winger who puts in work on the powerplay.

Whereas Safin could be a strong all-situations guy, sort of a Benoit Pouliotesque disrupter with a penchant for sprinkling in highlight reel north-south goals rolled into a 40pt, positive possession, three hours of killing penalties season.

MAksimov’s got a better chance of punching his ticket, though.

Wilde
ArmchairGM

Wilde:
For example by those parameters Conor Sheary was a top 5 player in the league last year

Are you talking to me? If so, here’s the link:

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=250&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=82&lines=single

The top Penguin is Malkin at #27.

Professor Q

OriginalPouzar: Depends on how you define “hit”.

Considering there is about a 30% chance of a 3rd round pick becoming an NHL player, the Khaira picks can be considered “a hit”.

Maybe he’ll go Triple Platinum?

OriginalPouzar

GMB3: Not sure I would necessarily say either Khaira or Pitlick are what you would call a “hit” on a pick outside the first round. At least it’s too early to tell for Khaira. Jarret Stoll was definitely a great pick, and we got him as an overages I believe.

I think of a guy like Gustav Nyquist as being a “hit” outside the first round. Or a Brayden Point, or Sebastian who, Mark stone.

If Kirill Maksimov could be a Michael Ferland, that would be a huge win for us.

Man, Kucherov almost slid until the third round. Whoops.

Depends on how you define “hit”.

Considering there is about a 30% chance of a 3rd round pick becoming an NHL player, the Khaira picks can be considered “a hit”.

GMB3

Wilde: On ceiling. or NHL closeness?

excluding goalies because IDK

Closeness:

1) Yamamoto

2) Persson

3) Bear

4) Marody

5) Bouchard

6) Berglund

7) Lagesson

8) Jones

9) Benson

10) Hebig

This got so bad so quick. The Condors, man…

Potential:

1) Yamamoto

2) Bouchard

3) McLeod

4) Safin

5) Bear

6) Jones

7) Samorukov

8) Maksimov

9) Berglund

10) Benson

Interesting, what is the rationale behind having Safin over Maksimov for potential?

GMB3

OriginalPouzar: Jujhar Khaira

Tyler Pitlick

Honorable mention to Brodziak and Rieder

Not sure I would necessarily say either Khaira or Pitlick are what you would call a “hit” on a pick outside the first round. At least it’s too early to tell for Khaira. Jarret Stoll was definitely a great pick, and we got him as an overages I believe.

I think of a guy like Gustav Nyquist as being a “hit” outside the first round. Or a Brayden Point, or Sebastian who, Mark stone.

If Kirill Maksimov could be a Michael Ferland, that would be a huge win for us.

Man, Kucherov almost slid until the third round. Whoops.

Georges

VOR: Nope.

We had good reason to believe we could use Lisp. But it is based on our 300+ combined years of working in Lisp not something we read. It is also based on our knowledge of draft analysis, scouting, and heuristic biases.

Only time will tell if we were/are right. Rather significant periods of time. You could well be right we’ve chosen the wrong programming language. A lot of people wanted us to use Python or Julia or Lui. In a way the integration of smalltalk was a nod to people who believe data is bad (like Alan).

Whatever else it isn’t a commercial venture. More privately funded research that is meant to be shared.
My younger colleagues are very in to academic credit. I think we’d all like to be wined and dined at Sloan.

Not in any way suggesting the choice was wrong. Just thinking about how it would even work and realizing I really don’t know. That’s why I asked.

Cheers! I wish the team success.

VOR

Georges:
VOR,

You know what. It would never occur to me that lisp was an option for this kind of work.

Can you suggest a reference?

Nope.

We had good reason to believe we could use Lisp. But it is based on our 300+ combined years of working in Lisp not something we read. It is also based on our knowledge of draft analysis, scouting, and heuristic biases.

Only time will tell if we were/are right. Rather significant periods of time. You could well be right we’ve chosen the wrong programming language. A lot of people wanted us to use Python or Julia or Lui. In a way the integration of smalltalk was a nod to people who believe data is bad (like Alan).

Whatever else it isn’t a commercial venture. More privately funded research that is meant to be shared. My younger colleagues are very in to academic credit. I think we’d all like to be wined and dined at Sloan.

Wilde

JimmyV1965:
Would be interesting to hear people’s top 10 Oil prospects. I’ve got:
– [ ] 1. Bouchard
– [ ] 2. Yamamoto
– [ ] 3. Bear
– [ ] 4. Skinner
– [ ] 5. McLeod
– [ ] 6. Berglund
– [ ] 7. Makisimov
– [ ] 8. Rodrigue
– [ ] 9. Jones
– [ ] 10. Marody
– [ ]

On ceiling. or NHL closeness?

excluding goalies because IDK

Closeness:

1) Yamamoto

2) Persson

3) Bear

4) Marody

5) Bouchard

6) Berglund

7) Lagesson

8) Jones

9) Benson

10) Hebig

This got so bad so quick. The Condors, man…

Potential:

1) Yamamoto

2) Bouchard

3) McLeod

4) Safin

5) Bear

6) Jones

7) Samorukov

8) Maksimov

9) Berglund

10) Benson

Jaxon

Wilde:
Jaxon,

Did you see Tristen Nielson didn’t get a camp invite from any NHL team?

Watch him put up 90+ points next year and get drafted overage by Pittsburgh in the 3rd round

No news yet on him being invited anywhere. They have until about August 24th to sign him, or until October 3rd if they give him a PTO. I really hope he gets invited or signed by the Oilers. But with no rumours or buzz I think it’s most likely he doesn’t get signed or possibly gets an invite to the Flames rookie camp much as there may be a couple Oil Kings invited to Edmonton’s rookie camp.

JimmyV1965

Would be interesting to hear people’s top 10 Oil prospects. I’ve got:
– [ ] 1. Bouchard
– [ ] 2. Yamamoto
– [ ] 3. Bear
– [ ] 4. Skinner
– [ ] 5. McLeod
– [ ] 6. Berglund
– [ ] 7. Makisimov
– [ ] 8. Rodrigue
– [ ] 9. Jones
– [ ] 10. Marody
– [ ]

JimmyV1965

OriginalPouzar: No, the 22 year old Drai is not in the same tier as the 25 year old Kucherov but his numbers are just as impressive as Kucherov’s at age 22. My point is, I don’t think its unreasonable for Drai to be just as valuable as Kucherov is when he hits age 25.

Matthews is going to be a top 3 player in the league very soon.

– [ ] I actually agree that Mathews could be a top 3 player in this league. And his next contract should make him the second highest paid player in the league. I was being a bit flippant when I said I’m not 100% sure he’s even better than Marner. He very likely is. But Marner is really good. He’s a difference maker. The only kid that could even come close to playing up to McDavid’s level in minor hockey.

Wilde

Jaxon,

Did you see Tristen Nielson didn’t get a camp invite from any NHL team?

Watch him put up 90+ points next year and get drafted overage by Pittsburgh in the 3rd round

Jaxon

Woodguy v2.0: Tobias Reider – 2011 4th round 312gp 117pts still employed in the NHL.

Your idea of “hit” may vary.

If you want more GP then Brodziak 7th round in 2003

If you want more points/gm then Stoll 2nd round in 2002.

If you want a “bonafide top 6 forward” then Mike Comrie3rd round in 1999.

Number of games in an Oiler uniform before being sent away:
Rieder 0
Brodziak 175
Comrie 192
Stoll 286

3 of the 4 did come back to Edmonton. 2 of those 3 were born in the Edmonton area.

Wilde

For example by those parameters Conor Sheary was a top 5 player in the league last year

Jaxon

OriginalPouzar:
Its interesting that one would put more stock in to arbitrary numbers (1.75P/G, 40G) than multiple Art Ross Trophies and Lester Pearson awards while on an ELC.

Not to mention there have been two players in the history of the NHL to have a career PPG at 1.75 – one wore number 99 and the other 66 (and it wasn’t Josh Ho Sang).

Yup, and McDavid finished last season at a 1.63pts/gp pace and he’s still 4 to 6 years from reaching his peak in an era when scoring is more difficult.

Wilde

ArmchairGM: He’s already is top-3:

5v5 points/60 (750 minutes minimum)
1. McDavid 3.17
2. McKinnon 2.99
3. Matthews 2.91

5v5 goals/60 (750 minutes)
1. Matthews 1.68
2. Karlsson 1.38
3. Ovechkin 1.37
4. McDavid 1.34
5. Kucherov 1.32

This is extremely thin

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: Yup, here’s his age / points/60 (all situations) since he entered the league:

20: 1.58
21: 3.18
22: 2.82
23: 3.54
24: 3.78

He’s elite.

Draisaitl’s equivalents:

19: 1.15
20: 2.35
21: 2.98
22: 2.79

He’s not as far off Kucherov as you might think. Mid 3’s would be fantastic next year.

Yes – this is my point – thank you.

OriginalPouzar

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlLgR-fPxAY

This Gravel fellow looks to have some good instincts, strong skating skills and a fine shot.Could be a player here if his health allows.

From accounts, he was gaining traction in LA prior to getting sick.

OriginalPouzar

Its interesting that one would put more stock in to arbitrary numbers (1.75P/G, 40G) than multiple Art Ross Trophies and Lester Pearson awards while on an ELC.

Not to mention there have been two players in the history of the NHL to have a career PPG at 1.75 – one wore number 99 and the other 66 (and it wasn’t Josh Ho Sang).

OriginalPouzar

Georges:
I’m very glad your system had McLeod that much higher than where he went. Wouldn’t that be something? When did the Oilers last get a hit out of a non first round forward pick? Asking because I’m too lazy to check tonight.

Jujhar Khaira

Tyler Pitlick

Honorable mention to Brodziak and Rieder

ArmchairGM

Wilde: He has way too many peers right now for this to be true, if he does become top 3 it won’t have been from a normal progression from where we are right now

He’s already is top-3:

5v5 points/60 (750 minutes minimum)
1. McDavid 3.17
2. McKinnon 2.99
3. Matthews 2.91

5v5 goals/60 (750 minutes)
1. Matthews 1.68
2. Karlsson 1.38
3. Ovechkin 1.37
4. McDavid 1.34
5. Kucherov 1.32

Jethro Tull

VOR:
Mostly I don’t drink at all.

At the moment when I do drink beer it is Abbey Lane by Ribstone Creek.

My team members haven’t agreed to my discussing them or their backgrounds.

Abbey Lane is a great facsimile of a British mild bitter. Mix it with Old Yale Sasquatch for a great Black and Tan.

ArmchairGM

frjohnk: Kucherov has taken a pretty big jump in the last 2 years.
In 2016-17, even with Stamkos injured for most of the year, he put up 85 points in 74 games.
Last year, he had 100 points with a healthy Stamkos.

I think most here would agree that McDavid is at the top of the hill.Kucherov is in the bucket of a handful of guys that are just below McDavid.

Draisaitl has a ways to go to get into that Kucherov basket but he is still young and should continue to get better.

Yup, here’s his age / points/60 (all situations) since he entered the league:

20: 1.58
21: 3.18
22: 2.82
23: 3.54
24: 3.78

He’s elite.

Draisaitl’s equivalents:

19: 1.15
20: 2.35
21: 2.98
22: 2.79

He’s not as far off Kucherov as you might think. Mid 3’s would be fantastic next year.

Georges

VOR,

You know what. It would never occur to me that lisp was an option for this kind of work.

Can you suggest a reference?

Georges

Woodguy v2.0: Tobias Reider – 2011 4th round 312gp 117pts still employed in the NHL.

Your idea of “hit” may vary.

If you want more GP then Brodziak 7th round in 2003

If you want more points/gm then Stoll 2nd round in 2002.

If you want a “bonafide top 6 forward” then Mike Comrie3rd round in 1999.

That is a mighty long dry spell. We must have the record then.

Georges

leadfarmer:
Georges,

IMO Pitlick but then he got hit by typhus, leprosy, plague and dengue fever and missed a lot of development time.

Dead Man Waking.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlLgR-fPxAY

This Gravel fellow looks to have some good instincts, strong skating skills and a fine shot. Could be a player here if his health allows.

ArmchairGM

Yegfoundation:

As do I, but Side was correct to call him on moving the goal posts on this discussion.

jp

godot10:
McDavid is entering his 4th season.Only 40 goals would suggest that he is NOT a generational talent.He is at the point where a generational talent should achieve separation from the pack.

A generational talent should be contending for the Richard trophy and challenging 1.75 pts per game.

Haha, well played.

ArmchairGM

Ryan: Cool. I wasn’t professing any expertise nor making an a priori assumption.

Just a statement of opinion that this type of taxation strategy seems absurd beyond belief.

Okay, you’re the American west coast sales rep for Oakley Sunglasses.

Your job entails calling on stores across Washington, California, Oregon, and Nevada.

You’re an American who resides in the state of Nevada. Your accountantinforms you that you have to pay state taxes in the three other states that you call on customers based on the days of that taxation year that you call on stores in those states. Does not happen.

No, does not happen.

Sales is one of those short list items. You can sell into the US while being a Canadian citizen residing in Canada provided you work for a Canadian company. You CANNOT sell in the US while being a Canadian citizen residing in Canada if you work for an American company. Unless you have a visa, and at that point you declare income where earned (that’s my understanding of it, anyhow).

It’s a fine line sometimes, but basically they don’t allow you in if you’re taking a job away from an American. Sales people, consultants, and some management / executive activity (provided it’s not full-time) is okay.

Woodguy v2.0

Woodguy v2.0: Tobias Reider – 2011 4th round 312gp 117pts still employed in the NHL.

Your idea of “hit” may vary.

If you want more GP then Brodziak 7th round in 2003

If you want more points/gm then Stoll 2nd round in 2002.

If you want a “bonafide top 6 forward” then Mike Comrie3rd round in 1999.

Lowe in fall of 2010 – “We got Hall by sheer luck, we should tank and get other good players”

Chorus – “You haven’t drafted a top 6 forward outside the first round in 11 years”

Lowe – “So its settled then. TANK!!!!”

Woodguy v2.0

In the incredibly loaded 2003 draft Brodziak ranks 26th in NHL points and 19th in gp.

Marc Antoine Who?

Woodguy v2.0

Georges:
I’m very glad your system had McLeod that much higher than where we went. Wouldn’t that be something? When did the Oilers last get a hit out of a non first round forward pick? Asking because I’m too lazy to check tonight.

Tobias Reider – 2011 4th round 312gp 117pts still employed in the NHL.

Your idea of “hit” may vary.

If you want more GP then Brodziak 7th round in 2003

If you want more points/gm then Stoll 2nd round in 2002.

If you want a “bonafide top 6 forward” then Mike Comrie 3rd round in 1999.

leadfarmer

Georges,

IMO Pitlick but then he got hit by typhus, leprosy, plague and dengue fever and missed a lot of development time.

Georges

I’m very glad your system had McLeod that much higher than where he went. Wouldn’t that be something? When did the Oilers last get a hit out of a non first round forward pick? Asking because I’m too lazy to check tonight.

Woodguy v2.0

Melvis,

Nope.

My focus is elsewhere.

Let’s try another time.

Or just start a goddamn twitter account

Jaxon

Kinger_Oil.redux:
Melvis,

– PS: Nicholas is opening a new gallery on Richmond street this summer I believe: but you probably knew that…

Where on Richmond? I live on Richmond St.

Jaxon

Side:
Oh, I see you are already moving goal posts. That did not take long at all.

“Generational talent must put up over 1.75 pts a game……………. unless you’re Crosby, and put up only 1.5 pts a game…”

McDavid scored at a 1.63 Pts/GP pace during his final 33 games last season.

leadfarmer

https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-f-strome-to-have-vision-training-1.1135273

Interesting. Didn’t know Strome has had vision problems in one eye.
But I guess neither did the Oilers

OriginalPouzar

Scungilli Slushy: Kucherov is very talented, but I’m not sure his overall game will compare to Leon’s at the same age.

It’s about goal diff not goals scored. Hot teams and teams playing well light up many reg season. It floats all boats. The question is whether your line outscores in the playoffs. 10-7 or 3-1. It the same thing.

Interesting argument given Drai had a negative goal differential this year without McDavid and, at the same age, Kucherov had a pretty strong positive and a GFRel of over 5. Granted Kucherov didnt have to play over 200 minutes with Drake Caggulia.