It’s a Fast Train

by Lowetide

In watching Oilers management after every draft, one gets the feeling the club goes through a series of mood swings right after their first selection. Before the draft, the usual conservative tones are used, draft night is filled with excitement but the proper route is acknowledged and by Saturday breakfast (after the first round pick is made), the new addition, the new ‘truth and the light’ is pencilled in for the fall NHL starting lineup. By the morning after the draft, rumblings about “NHL-ready” can be heard in the distance and begin a build that will ultimately allow the draft pick to catch a wave and be sitting on top of the world October 3.

When are these kids ready? It depends on the organization. Tampa Bay’s draft list shows one player chosen since 2015 who has played in an NHL game (Anthony Cirelli, 18 games). The Oilers? Every first rounder has been in the NHL in the year after his draft, and Ethan Bear (also from 2015) matched Cirelli’s 18 games this past season. It’s a fast train.

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Around this time every year, I like to handicap the Oilers prospect and minor league group into estimated time of arrival bins based on the team’s own past. Here are the player of note who can reasonable be placed in a two-year window.

READY NOW

  • R Ty Rattie. My own opinion on Rattie is (based on history) he will not begin and end the season as Connor McDavid’s right wing. I hope he makes me look foolish by scoring 30 goals. He’s been ready since maybe 2015, but the question has always been ready for what? How high can he fly? We are about to find out.
  • LD Keegan Lowe. Uncertain how much Lowe will play, the addition of Kevin Gravel in free agency blocks him and Evan Bouchard’s presence surely impacts all of the defensemen bubbling under. He played well during a brief look so he’ll be in the mix.

CLOSE TO NHL-READY

  • R Kailer Yamamoto. I think he’s close and would not be surprised to see him break camp with the NHL team this fall. My RE currently has him under 50 games, but McLellan argued for him over a lottery pick last year. The past informs the future.
  • RD Evan Bouchard. A lot will depend on how well he plays in training camp and preseason but the Oilers are going to put him in a position to succeed. I think he’s going to win a job opening night, which isn’t the same as saying it is the correct decision.
  • RC Cooper Marody. This is a bit of a stretch, he hasn’t seen much pro hockey. That said, his scoring rates in college spiked, he’s an intelligent player and he showed well in a brief look in Bakersfield.

12 MONTHS OR LESS

  • RD Ethan Bear. I enjoyed much of his work after recall to Edmonton but the possession numbers are poor and his coverage is lacking. This might be a little aggressive, he may use most of his entry deal in the AHL, but that 18-game look last season had impressive moments.

13-24 MONTHS

  • LD Caleb Jones. Absent an injury or other malady we have to assume Jones had a more difficult adjustment than Bear in year one. He might pass Bear this winter but at this point probably best to estimate a little delay in arrival.
  • LD William Lagesson. He’s a different style (mobile shutdown) but there’s a chance the Swede jumps past this winter (he was drafted a year earlier than Jones). His strong SHL season put him on the radar and he could surprise.
  • L Tyler Benson. I think the Oilers are very strong on Benson, to the point where he’ll get a strong push in the AHL this winter. An NHL cup of coffee is possible this coming year, and if healthy, he might spend extended time in the NHL in the winter of 2019.

Kirill Maksimov, Ostap Safin, Filip Berglund, Cameron Hebig, Stuart Skinner, the rest of the prospects are either in the final category or should peak outside the NHL. The Oilers prospect list is not strong, but the 2017 and 2018 drafts have helped in a big way. The next thing to watch for is all of these wingers (Maksimov, Safin, Ryan McLeod, et cetera) to separate, leaving Edmonton with one or two top flight prospects. Maksimov seems the best bet today, but things can change in a quick hurry with prospects. Added to Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto, it’s an encouraging group on the wing.

This would be a fabulous pickup, would help one of the top two lines and give the Oilers a potential 30-goal man on left wing. The cost? Habs are going into a rebuild, Pacioretty has one year left at $4.5 million. A straight up trade is going to be costly, something shy of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (he has three years left at $6 million per season) and more than Ryan Strome. A first-round pick? A little early to be dealing that selection, it could be a lottery pick for a new general manager.

Three Oilers on the list, it should be fun to monitor what is now a large group of CHL prospects this coming season. Ryan McLeod will be an interesting player to follow, his foot speed is fantastic and might get him some looks we don’t anticipate during training camp.

OILERS REPORT CARD

I see the summer assessment’s going up across the universe, I don’t believe the Oilers are done and don’t do report cards anymore. That said, I’m pleased with the summer so far. The draft added three bona fide prospects, including Evan Bouchard who was No. 8 on my list, Ryan McLeon (No. 25) and Olivier Rodrigue (No. 60).

Free agency brought back two nice pieces (Tobias Rieder, Kyle Brodziak) and a third (Kevin Gravel) we’ll see about come fall. The only trade of note in summer was for the brilliantly named Hayden Hawkey and that cost only a future pick.

It’s what to come, the big business of summer, that hovers over the organization. Maybe the Oilers will kick the can down the road another year, hoping the young wingers (Puljujarvi, Yamamoto) and the struggling veterans (Milan Lucic, Zack Kassian) recover. It’s a damn sight better than sending the 2019 first rounder for Max Pacioretty, or packaging Puljujarvi with Lucic and getting out from under with a nuclear sweetener. Stay the course, draft, procure, develop. When you find yourself in a giant hole, stop digging. Will the Oilers change course late summer?

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show running from 10-11:30 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. New faces for fall: Who will have the most impact?
  • Laura Armstrong, Toronto Star. Trade deadline, Vladdy Jr.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. World Cup Soccer pre-game 11:30.

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Jethro Tull

Woodguy v2.0: SJS lottery protected the pick to BUF for Kane.

If SJS misses the playoffs they get the option of keeping the 2019 pick and giving the 2020 pick which is not protected.

I am not sure if SJS has to decide whether or not to keep the pick before or after the lottery.You’d think that they’d have to decide before but am not sure.

Thanks WG. Splitting hairs, but isn’t that more of a conditional pick? To me, Lottery Protection would be ‘you get our first rounder unless we come up big (say above 5th) in the draft lottery.’ Of course compensation would still have to be made. And it would only work for teams in the draft lottery.

Jethro Tull

Georges: Such fine writing…

Cheers.

It would seem Northern Dancer is a bit of a dark horse….

OriginalPouzar

Wilde:
OriginalPouzar,

I agree with most of this except on Kassian, he was an absolutely negative player and so was Caggiula – players that are much more likely to be on the roster than Brad Malone and who have a poor history at the NHL level as well.

I’d rather have Caggiula and Kassian gone and Brad Malone playing 4C than vice-versa.

I don’t think there’s nearly enough track to have an opinion that strong on Malone, especially written the way it was.

Anyways, it was honestly just a bantery point to begin with. I didn’t mean to have others pile on, but that’s my fault for jabbing in the first place. My bad about that.

I somewhat agree about Caggulia and, although I waver on Kassian, he does have a solid NHL game, at times – his issue is consistency. When he’s skating well and able to to on the forecheck quickly and aggressively, he causes turnovers and can change the momentum of the game. Issue is, its a tough style to play and he seems unable to bring in nightly.

What both Zack and Drake have over Malone are: speed/quickness, more skill (even Drake) and much younger.

Malone has a decreased cap hit over the other two – that’s it. I believe Malone can be replaced, knocked down the depth chart, for a similar cap hit (maybe a couple hundred grand more).

As to your last point – no worries at all, I take no offence.

ArmchairGM

Profit: And while Montreal is slightly larger as a metropolitan centre, it’s no LA/TBay/Boston.

It’s nit-picking I know, but Montreal is larger than Tampa according to wiki.

“In 2015, Statistics Canada identified Montreal’s Census Metropolitan Area (CMA) as 4,258.31 square kilometres with a population of 4,027,100.”

“The population of the Tampa Bay MSA is estimated at 3,091,399 people as of 2018.” Also consider that this catchement area is 6,616 km2.

“Greater Boston is ranked tenth in population among US metropolitan statistical areas, home to 4,732,161 people as of the 2014 US Census estimate.” Also consider that this catchement area is 9,032.3 km2.

For comparison’s sake, Toronto (Golden Horseshoe) is 7,826,367 people in 10,097.45 km2.

Vancouver is 2,759,365 people in 4,935.07 km2, basically the same size as Tampa.

Edmonton is 1,321,426 people in 9,438.86 km2 – a different category altogether.

Wilde

OriginalPouzar,

I agree with most of this except on Kassian, he was an absolutely negative player and so was Caggiula – players that are much more likely to be on the roster than Brad Malone and who have a poor history at the NHL level as well.

I’d rather have Caggiula and Kassian gone and Brad Malone playing 4C than vice-versa.

I don’t think there’s nearly enough track to have an opinion that strong on Malone, especially written the way it was.

Anyways, it was honestly just a bantery point to begin with. I didn’t mean to have others pile on, but that’s my fault for jabbing in the first place. My bad about that.

Wilde

Woodguy v2.0: That metric also doesn’t rate Sekera at all due to his performance last year.

I have EDM with a top 10 Dcorps this year.

*prays for health*

And we’ve got two possible ‘rookies’ in the top 6.

Yamamoto and Puljujarvi both hit, and they’d have a close to top 10 top 6 imo, 12-15th.

Dcorps as a group perplex me, but can get a read on individual defensemen /okay/ and the collection of individuals the Oilers have looks like it adds up to be in the same neighbourhood as the top 6, with a much better 3rd pairing than most teams.

The weaknesses are the bottom 6, and uncertainty in special teams and goaltending.

I’d say they’re a wild card team 5v5, goaltending and a hot powerplay could take them to a division spot.

OriginalPouzar

Wilde: It’s strange because you just hammered the guy unprompted two times for one soliloquy and it’s like a daily thing now.

Normally when you(or most anyone else) is that strong on something, they’ve got a substantial case.

Here, a non-descript 4th line centre didn’t spend an hour with the club and nothing happened.

Zero goals, the Oilers outshot the opponent, whatever.

But you saw him bad because he took a penalty or two… Should Zack Kassian be quarantined?

The Oilers should get a better extra centre in my opinion, so that they can put Ryan Strome at 1/2RW for the first few dozen games, and get a veteran skilled AHL 1C to help the young wingers.

Not just to pull up the ladder to the clubhouse before Brad Malone gets there because he stinks.

When I see a post placing Malone in the top 13F, breaking camp with the NHL team, I will respond with my thoughts on the issue. I simply don’t agree with any premise that has him on the opening night roster and there are ways to assure that doesn’t happen (subject to 2-3 injuries to start the season at forward). Its as easy as signing a Nick Shore (or similar) who, I assume will come in at no raise to his $925K from last year (and probably even less).

Sure, in his limited minutes they were non-event except they weren’t – they were negative minutes give 3 bad minor penalties in that time. Minor penalties that are repeatable due to a lack of speed (and lack of other plus skills to make up for the lack of speed).

Yes, Kassian should be “called out” for his large negative PIM differential and, in fact, I almost made a post on it in relation to some discourse about Pouliot and his overstated offensive zone PIM history.

At least Kassian has other NHL skills that help the team (when he is on his game and consistency is a huge issue with Zack).

I am all about giving Strome some 1RW minutes – if Khaira can play 3C adequately, I’d like to see that happen – not sure JJ is ready for that role yet though.

Wilde

OriginalPouzar: How is it bewildering?

He is a 29 year old career AHLer (I acknowledge his 180 NHL games).He is not a prospect and will not “get better”.If anything, he’ll start regressing over the next few years.

I watched him in his 7 games as an Oilers and he is not an NHL player.I understand his possession metrics were nice, however, in such a small sample size, they mean nothing to me.

I watched him play and the most meaningful thing he did was take 3 bad minor penalties.

I fully expect him to play NHL games this year however, in my opinion, the only benefit of that is that it will allow Marody more development time and adjustment to the pro game.

His $675K cap hit and our lack of depth will get him NHL games and our lineup will be worse with him in it.

It’s strange because you just hammered the guy unprompted two times for one soliloquy and it’s like a daily thing now.

Normally when you(or most anyone else) is that strong on something, they’ve got a substantial case.

Here, a non-descript 4th line centre didn’t spend an hour with the club and nothing happened.

Zero goals, the Oilers outshot the opponent, whatever.

But you saw him bad because he took a penalty or two… Should Zack Kassian be quarantined?

The Oilers should get a better extra centre in my opinion, so that they can put Ryan Strome at 1/2RW for the first few dozen games, and get a veteran skilled AHL 1C to help the young wingers.

Not just to pull up the ladder to the clubhouse before Brad Malone gets there because he stinks.

Wilde

northerndancer,

northerndancer,

These were fantastic

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: I always enjoy your posts! I was however surprised at your negativity on a player!It was just so not you!

I’m an optimistic Oiler fan but will critisize where I feel appropriate (ie. Koskinen overpayment). I feel, Brad Malone is not an NHL level player and that management should take steps to ensure that he isn’t an NHL option unless injuries really start to pile up.

While he made $925K last year, a guy like Nick Shore would put another body between Malone and the NHL (and the longer we go in to the summer, the closer to $650K he will likely be willing to sign for).

rickithebear

War is largely based on win ratio affect of pitcher/batter. Thier is simple binary strike/ball walk/hit/out
Making major portion of WAR reliable.

The major goal diff binary affects are:
1. HD Corsi/shot density
2. Closed corsi % relative to CA. 10:1 to 3:1
3. Off dmen occupation of Off possession. Fwds 4 times more efficient than Dmen.
4. 3ppgf is equal to 1 evgf in Goal diff affect. So 1 ppp is 1/3 in goal diff cap value to 1 Evp.
5. OFf dmen yield hd rates 40% worse than average.
6. Coach bench change scuds Corsi Numbers by 40%
7. FOZS success can be (15+/-)/ 35 or 40: or 50 or 60 or 65; 43%; 37.5%; 30%; 25%; 23%

Thier are difrent mechanidm of high value that are independent of hockey’s Batter
Open shot Corsi Density (save% avg established) to goaltender save% range +/-.
All the others are out field ratios superior To the concept of a single WAR based on a single dominate batter mechanism.

I showed this when I made lists of the most basic of Goal diff route trees that at one time could be found on here pre spring 2009.

Leon McMesstzky

OriginalPouzar,

i agree with your switches

GMB3

I honestly can’t believe Bouchard fell to tenth. Reinhart was a top 5 pick in 2012 and Bouchards offence blows him out of the water on a worse team in a tougher league. He either has some serious warts to his game or a few GM’s absolutely lost the plot on draft day. Ryan Ellis dropped to 11 because he was 5’10, but Bouchard is a big boy.

I’m not sure if I should be overjoyed with the selection or if years of poor drafting makes me think we missed something everyone else saw, and that we should have drafted Wahlstrom. Bouchard could legitimately be an elite dman in the future based on his offense in Jr. I’ve read people compare him to Bogosian but the counting numbers aren’t even close. It’s odd.

GMB3

northerndancer:
With due respect to our host, I think Bouchard may make it difficult for the Oilers to return him to junior.I watched video of him and he reminds me of watching Brent Seabrook in his last year at Lethbridge.Seabrook would play over half the game, skated with economy and moving the puck well. He simply dominated the ice at both ends. Bouchard has the same economical style, conserving energy, probably determined by being the only/best option to put on the ice and knowing he was going to have to play a lot.And his shooting reminds me of Seabrook.Getting into a good position, strong, accurate shot.Seabrook adapted quickly to the NHL.I look forward to seeing how Bouchard does it.

And they both have big time older guy facial hair.Must count for something.

Brent Seabrook played two more years of junior post draft and never came close to Bouchards offensive totals. At this stage Bouchard is a much more substantial prospect than Seabrook ever was.

I do hope Bouchard pushes for a roster spot on merit. It would mean he is the goods and I would be interested to see what it means for Russell and Benning.

northerndancer

Lowetide,

Thanks but my liver can’t take posting more.

1960’s Lashburn Redwings JrB team, affiliate of Weyburn Red Wings, was coached by Stan Dunn (later to Swift Current) and managed by my dad, station agent for CN in Lashburn. Hell of a player, back in the day.

Oops. Don’t encourage me. Thanks for all.

Georges

northerndancer:
Second post this decade. Very frequent reader.

LT, a tip of this prairie boy’s hat to you for putting us on the Fast Train today.“about a man who left from nowhere to be someone….”A carload of kids from Biggar heading up toNorth Battleford to hear the legendary April Wine in the high school gym.Maybe you were that kid who kept getting in my way.

I can’t imagine the train ride it must be for these young hockey bucks as they go from the security of god status in Junior to bottom rung of the, maybe, NHL.It doesn’t matter how big the coin is, they are still kids.

LT, I love that you will share your passions your past and your prognostications with such a diverse crowd of fans.With such fine writing. I think that there must be a perverse side of me that likes watching the social carnage that is a part of bothhockey and an open comment blog?I know that both keep me entertained on the long, painful nights when the mistakes outweigh the scoring chances and the low West Kootenay cloud that passes for winter here dampens my spirits.

Someday we must share a story of a broken bus, the Maidstone bowling alley? and a pathetic hockey game between two fine teams on melting springtime ice in the Maidstone arena.

Maybe you were there as well.

I lift a smallish glass of my homemade proseccoto all you contributors who are willing to share your passions in public and who read this far in my self-indulgent contribution.

And now back to our summer programming.

Go oilers.

Such fine writing…

Cheers.

BONE207

Yegfoundation:
Silver Streak,

Me thinks, you should refrain from personal attacks on another poster.

Ducks under the cover of darkness…

northerndancer

With due respect to our host, I think Bouchard may make it difficult for the Oilers to return him to junior. I watched video of him and he reminds me of watching Brent Seabrook in his last year at Lethbridge. Seabrook would play over half the game, skated with economy and moving the puck well. He simply dominated the ice at both ends. Bouchard has the same economical style, conserving energy, probably determined by being the only/best option to put on the ice and knowing he was going to have to play a lot. And his shooting reminds me of Seabrook. Getting into a good position, strong, accurate shot. Seabrook adapted quickly to the NHL. I look forward to seeing how Bouchard does it.

And they both have big time older guy facial hair. Must count for something.

BONE207

Lowetide:
I flushed cache at 1:05 pm Edmonton time. Whew. That’s a relief.

Unless you were near the North Saskatchewan at that time…Oh fishy, fishy…

BONE207

Wilde:
Your anti-Malone campaign is equal parts bewildering and hilarious

I’ve got toes & fingers crossed that Malone scores 10 in preseason & starts on Connor’s right wing…cause I like smell of crow in the morning…

slopitch

Keep the 2019 picks. Let Bouchard play in the OHL. Sign Shore. Sign Nurse to 8×4.65. Move Lucic if an ok trade comes up (no 2019 1st). The Winnipeg Jets, Nashville Preds and LT have it figured out. Draft and develop. Forcing a trade will likely mean losing a trade. We’ve done enough of that in this town.

LT your tone recently suggests mgmt is gone after this year regardless. If they stand pat and the 2018 draft is looking great is that enough for you? Or do they need to make playoffs to earn another year? I’m of the opinion they need to do enough “tinkering around the edges” to make the team a playoff team (they have McDavid ffs) to earn it. Just want to know your thoughts. The jets re-signed their staff at an odd time (years of meh) but the team rewarded the decision. There is some value in continuity. Understood there are a lot of what ifs involved.

northerndancer

Second post this decade. Very frequent reader.

LT, a tip of this prairie boy’s hat to you for putting us on the Fast Train today. “about a man who left from nowhere to be someone….” A carload of kids from Biggar heading up to North Battleford to hear the legendary April Wine in the high school gym. Maybe you were that kid who kept getting in my way.

I can’t imagine the train ride it must be for these young hockey bucks as they go from the security of god status in Junior to bottom rung of the, maybe, NHL. It doesn’t matter how big the coin is, they are still kids.

LT, I love that you will share your passions your past and your prognostications with such a diverse crowd of fans. With such fine writing. I think that there must be a perverse side of me that likes watching the social carnage that is a part of both hockey and an open comment blog? I know that both keep me entertained on the long, painful nights when the mistakes outweigh the scoring chances and the low West Kootenay cloud that passes for winter here dampens my spirits.

Someday we must share a story of a broken bus, the Maidstone bowling alley? and a pathetic hockey game between two fine teams on melting springtime ice in the Maidstone arena.

Maybe you were there as well.

I lift a smallish glass of my homemade prosecco to all you contributors who are willing to share your passions in public and who read this far in my self-indulgent contribution.

And now back to our summer programming.

Go oilers.

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar: Just as much as people like to tell me how they feel about the Hall trade and the Reinhart trade, etc.

I always enjoy your posts! I was however surprised at your negativity on a player! It was just so not you!

defmn

Jethro Tull: Sorry, not the point i was reaching for!What I meant was, Chia would make the decision for what he thought were the right reasons, but if he were fired, he wouldn’t lose sleep over it.

I didn’t mean to infer that Chia would make a reckless trade, not caring about his subsequent reputation.I mean, he’s demonstrated that enough, non?

Sorry, then. I misunderstood.

OriginalPouzar

jtblack:
Jethro. One example that lead to teams protecting any 1st Rounder they gave up in a trade is the Toronto – Boston deal from about 8 years ago. Kessell went to Toronto for a 1st round pick and some other stuff.

Toronto ended up having an awful year and Boston got the #2 hole – Tyler Seguin. Since then,GM’s

As an aside, the “other stuff” included Toronto’s first round pick in 2011 which Boston used to select Dougie Hamilton.

Melvis

Munny: It does seem bizarre, but maybe Friedman was getting/giving part of the story?For eg–and I’m not saying this is the case–maybe his kids were getting a hard time at school?Maybe it’s not being able to get groceries without drawing attention. Dunno. Friedman is being kind of vague.

fwiw:

-One percenters can avail themselves of services unavailable to the vast majority. If my kids were having problems at school, I’d hire overqualified tutors in the arts and sciences for home schooling

-My PA would do my shopping.

-My security would politely ward off over zealous fans.

-My spouse, partner, kids , and their tutor would hook up with me in desirable cities on extended road trips.

However,sSignificant psychological injury might have me falling off a cliff over a holiday season. Here’s the example, an example only. I don’t want to start up any crap with the suggestion.

Let’s say I found out my wife was having an affair with a friend or acquaintance – or anybody, for that matter. And I decided the best course of action was putting a face on it, keeping my mouth shut and pretending ignorance while playing out the season. This results in a considerable amount of distracted, haphazard play. And a considerable amount of anger display smashing my sticks over inanimate objects.

That’s one possible scenario. Another might have me putting out too many personal fires simultaneously. A bent accountant, and significant investment losses piled on the death of a family member coupled with other things having to do with the team.

Things you can’t voice or even hint at in public. Hell, for a proud man – even in private.

I’m just guessing, of course. I can only hope the problem gets sorted by October.

Ryan

Ryan,

Okay, I would say thumbs down to down to the disqus comment system. It does still do some things like reduce server load, but it has developed a bad reputation for some other features like tracking user data, injecting affiliate links, adding sponsored comments and ads.

Sorry for this suggestions guys. Discourse sounds intriguing, but complicated to implement.

jtblack

GMB3: Lol 7 WHL guys in the top ten picks? That is absurd.

Its a possibility. Krebs Dach Cozens Byram Robertson Williams Toporoski Foote. Reality is 7 would be a tough feat. 2012 had 5 WHL players in the Top 10.

Supposed to be a Great draft overall.

jtblack

Jethro. One example that lead to teams protecting any 1st Rounder they gave up in a trade is the Toronto – Boston deal from about 8 years ago. Kessell went to Toronto for a 1st round pick and some other stuff.

Toronto ended up having an awful year and Boston got the #2 hole – Tyler Seguin. Since then, GM’s started protecting the pick. Protecting the pick from their own incompetence and unforseen events.

Dorion kicked the can down the road this year, but I actually think Ott will finish bottom 3 in the League nxt yr. Trade was a HUGE win for Sakic and be even better if they snag a Top 5 pick nxt yr.

Woodguy v2.0

Munny: It does seem bizarre, but maybe Friedman was getting/giving part of the story?For eg–and I’m not saying this is the case–maybe his kids were getting a hard time at school?Maybe it’s not being able to get groceries without drawing attention. Dunno. Friedman is being kind of vague.

I think Freidman repeated almost exactly what he was told.

I don’t think he was told the truth though.

Munny

Woodguy v2.0: Freideman puts the onus on “the market being tough on Lucic”, but Lucic had a good first half of the season.

It does seem bizarre, but maybe Friedman was getting/giving part of the story? For eg–and I’m not saying this is the case–maybe his kids were getting a hard time at school? Maybe it’s not being able to get groceries without drawing attention. Dunno. Friedman is being kind of vague.

Munny

VOR: He had 18 points 5v5 and 26 total points.

Lol, oh I know. It was an easy mistake for OP to make because of the direct reference to EV scoring rates in the next sentence. He’s a real trooper though, as you can see from his post above.

OriginalPouzar

Ooops, my mistake – I apologize.

Woodguy v2.0

Munny: We were discussing this the other day as it is obvious the reasons for the precipitous drop-off cannot be age related.

Back on May 31st I discussed Lucic’s splits on how they were ridiculous:

Here: https://lowetide.ca/2018/05/31/a-time-to-reap-a-time-to-sow/#comment-743661

There’s lots of discussion and more data after the post I linked to as well.

Its funny though……..

Freideman puts the onus on “the market being tough on Lucic”, but Lucic had a good first half of the season.

He fell off the edge looooooooooooooong before the fanbase started bitching about him.

Whatever happened to Lucic, I don’t think “the pressure of the market” has much if anything to do with it.

HT Joe

theDjdj: I’m hopeful the travel will lighten once we have the extra team in Western NA. Your points are good ones and I hadn’t considered them.

I hadn’t considered the possibility of shortened travel when Seattle gets a team… good point. (Best of all, I LOVE Seattle as a place to visit… that could be a wonderful market to visit to see a game). 😀

theDjdj

HT Joe: Just my 2 cents, but as a smaller city, further north, with much more travel, and with higher taxes (vs. cities in other jurisdictions), Edmonton has plenty of disadvantages that are preventing a “level field”.

I would much rather have Katz to be in a position to buy his way to having a better team, as opposed to having a series of issues out of the Oiler’s control contributing to already questionably poor managerial / coaching choices.

I’m hopeful the travel will lighten once we have the extra team in Western NA. Your points are good ones and I hadn’t considered them.

HT Joe

theDjdj: I think it more entertaining and generally more rewarding to win it at all when the field is leveled. Buying your way to a cup is like beating a game with cheat codes on.

Just my 2 cents, but as a smaller city, further north, with much more travel, and with higher taxes (vs. cities in other jurisdictions), Edmonton has plenty of disadvantages that are preventing a “level field”.

I would much rather have Katz to be in a position to buy his way to having a better team, as opposed to having a series of issues out of the Oiler’s control contributing to already questionably poor managerial / coaching choices.

VOR

Munny:
OriginalPouzar,

Nope. He had 26.

He had 18 points 5v5 and 26 total points.

Munny

OriginalPouzar,

Nope. He had 26.

theDjdj

LMHF#1: The Oilers are specifically disadvantaged due to the hard cap. They have high revenues and a wealthy owner.

I think it more entertaining and generally more rewarding to win it at all when the field is leveled. Buying your way to a cup is like beating a game with cheat codes on.

OriginalPouzar

Georges: Lucic up to Dec. 23 last season scored 26 points in 36 games, a better than 0.7 pts/game pace, which was ahead of his career rate. His 5v5 Pts/60 was first line level.

He had 18 points in those 36 games:

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=n&team=EDM&pos=F&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=gpdate&fd=2017-10-04&td=2017-12-23&tgp=82&lines=single

theDjdj

Georges: Lucic up to Dec. 23 last season scored 26 points in 36 games, a better than 0.7 pts/game pace, which was ahead of his career rate. His 5v5 Pts/60 was first line level.

Then Christmas came and he turned into Mr. Not Worth a 7th Round Pick. The holidays weren’t kind.

I think it’s a little more complicated than his detractors make it out to be. I can’t speculate about his personal situation but, on the ice, pre-Christmas Lucic and post-Christmas Lucic were two different players.

Maybe this is what the supposed “don’t want to play in Canadian market” rumours came from. Lord knows how trying it would be to address your performance with that amount of pressure. Add in the bleakness of winter and it’s a recipe for a bad mental place.

I think Lucic too much of a competitor to go meekly into the night. My wager is on improvement.

RonnieB

Georges: Lucic up to Dec. 23 last season scored 26 points in 36 games, a better than 0.7 pts/game pace, which was ahead of his career rate. His 5v5 Pts/60 was first line level.

Then Christmas came and he turned into Mr. Not Worth a 7th Round Pick. The holidays weren’t kind.

I think it’s a little more complicated than his detractors make it out to be. I can’t speculate about his personal situation but, on the ice, pre-Christmas Lucic and post-Christmas Lucic were two different players.

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Overdose of tryptophan in the Christmas turkey ?

LMHF#1

theDjdj: This is startling reminiscent of the NBA UFA scenario with Leonard. I suppose that’s a UFA’s prerogative to play where they prefer. Thank god the NHL has a hard salary cap though.

The Oilers are specifically disadvantaged due to the hard cap. They have high revenues and a wealthy owner.

Woodguy v2.0

Jethro Tull:
Has there ever been a lottery protected pick traded in the NHL?

I’m asking, because it’s been bandied about, and I can’t remember one ever happening.So maybe there’s something in the NHL business rules, or it’s just a road people don’t want to go down.

Of course lottery protection would nix as many deals as it saved….

SJS lottery protected the pick to BUF for Kane.

If SJS misses the playoffs they get the option of keeping the 2019 pick and giving the 2020 pick which is not protected.

I am not sure if SJS has to decide whether or not to keep the pick before or after the lottery. You’d think that they’d have to decide before but am not sure.

RonnieB

Richard S.S.:
In the McDavid Draft Year there was Connor McDavid, then there was Jack Eichel.
There were three players normally seen at the top of the Draft Rankings.There followed a group of 15-18 who were considered sure top ten.There followed a group of 35-50 who were considered 1st round talent, and slowly resumed to normal.

The 2019 Draft will not be quite as good at the very top end, but at least Eichel good for the rest of it – definitely yes. There are people I trust who are saying the WHL could have 5-7 top-ten in the next Draft.

Ideally, I keep the Picks in the first three rounds.Especially considering their 3rd rounder from New York Islanders could be low third round.If at all possible, acquire more.I would use the 3rd rounder from NashvIlle in trade with higher picks for any needs.

Oilers didn’t get Nashville’s 3rd. They got Aberg from Nashville in the 3-way Letestu trade with Columbus, and a 3rd from NJ for Maroon. They used NJ 3rd to acquire Marody from Philly. They still have the Islanders 3rd from the Davidson trade.

Richard S.S.

GMB3,

Reading correctly or beating your own drum?
…could have… must mean something different to each of us.

Some Draft barely have 5 players who could be considered in the top-ten (top-10 talent and ability). Other Draft could have as many as 15 players with that kind of talent.

Ryan

Georges: Why wouldn’t comments update? Why wouldn’t the cache get rebuilt by the plugin after relevant DB updates/inserts/deletes? Why would you have to manually flush the cache? Can you only configure caching in this plugin through a time to live? Is this why non-logged in users are essentially getting one update of the site per day?

Lots of questions. Sorry. It sounds like this creates two completely different experiences of LT’s content: a non-cached version for logged in users that’s like it was before and a cached version for non logged-in users that’s like static snapshots that update once a day. Maybe that’s what LT wants…

I am only speculating since I don’t have admin access to Lowetide’s site.I have never used GoDaddy for anything either. From what it looks like they have managed hosting which doesn’t allow caching plugin sinvlce they manage that for you and regular hosting that does allow for plugins like w3total cache.

If it’s an issue with its GoDaddy’s server cache or a plugin, the premise is similar. Why cache the site at all anyway since it causes all these problems? Well it lowers server load and speeds up the website. It also prevents the site from crashing due to spikes in server load. Lastly, it saves lots of money on the hosting plan that a person needs to host their website. As well, you can offload some of the load to content delivery networks like cloudfare or Mad CDN that used to have some free packages.

Having all these buggers logged in a commenting all day is great for the community but a real bitch for server load.

As for why it’s not updating, is that depends on the particular type of caching. Plugins have setttings, so you can control that. If he has a caching plugin, Allan would just need to change the settings. If it’s Godaddy’s cache, I have no clue. Every time you flush the cache, server load spikes and the cache has to rebuild.

I have mentioned several times here in the past that one option to fix the comment cache issue and lower server load would be to install something like the disqus comment system (I haven’t used it in five years). At any rate these comment systems have the comments hosted and delivered from the disqus server which would take the burden off Godaddy.

Typing on my phone is driving me nuts, so I’ll cueck back in later.