It’s a Fast Train

In watching Oilers management after every draft, one gets the feeling the club goes through a series of mood swings right after their first selection. Before the draft, the usual conservative tones are used, draft night is filled with excitement but the proper route is acknowledged and by Saturday breakfast (after the first round pick is made), the new addition, the new ‘truth and the light’ is pencilled in for the fall NHL starting lineup. By the morning after the draft, rumblings about “NHL-ready” can be heard in the distance and begin a build that will ultimately allow the draft pick to catch a wave and be sitting on top of the world October 3.

When are these kids ready? It depends on the organization. Tampa Bay’s draft list shows one player chosen since 2015 who has played in an NHL game (Anthony Cirelli, 18 games). The Oilers? Every first rounder has been in the NHL in the year after his draft, and Ethan Bear (also from 2015) matched Cirelli’s 18 games this past season. It’s a fast train.

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Around this time every year, I like to handicap the Oilers prospect and minor league group into estimated time of arrival bins based on the team’s own past. Here are the player of note who can reasonable be placed in a two-year window.

READY NOW

  • R Ty Rattie. My own opinion on Rattie is (based on history) he will not begin and end the season as Connor McDavid’s right wing. I hope he makes me look foolish by scoring 30 goals. He’s been ready since maybe 2015, but the question has always been ready for what? How high can he fly? We are about to find out.
  • LD Keegan Lowe. Uncertain how much Lowe will play, the addition of Kevin Gravel in free agency blocks him and Evan Bouchard’s presence surely impacts all of the defensemen bubbling under. He played well during a brief look so he’ll be in the mix.

CLOSE TO NHL-READY

  • R Kailer Yamamoto. I think he’s close and would not be surprised to see him break camp with the NHL team this fall. My RE currently has him under 50 games, but McLellan argued for him over a lottery pick last year. The past informs the future.
  • RD Evan Bouchard. A lot will depend on how well he plays in training camp and preseason but the Oilers are going to put him in a position to succeed. I think he’s going to win a job opening night, which isn’t the same as saying it is the correct decision.
  • RC Cooper Marody. This is a bit of a stretch, he hasn’t seen much pro hockey. That said, his scoring rates in college spiked, he’s an intelligent player and he showed well in a brief look in Bakersfield.

12 MONTHS OR LESS

  • RD Ethan Bear. I enjoyed much of his work after recall to Edmonton but the possession numbers are poor and his coverage is lacking. This might be a little aggressive, he may use most of his entry deal in the AHL, but that 18-game look last season had impressive moments.

13-24 MONTHS

  • LD Caleb Jones. Absent an injury or other malady we have to assume Jones had a more difficult adjustment than Bear in year one. He might pass Bear this winter but at this point probably best to estimate a little delay in arrival.
  • LD William Lagesson. He’s a different style (mobile shutdown) but there’s a chance the Swede jumps past this winter (he was drafted a year earlier than Jones). His strong SHL season put him on the radar and he could surprise.
  • L Tyler Benson. I think the Oilers are very strong on Benson, to the point where he’ll get a strong push in the AHL this winter. An NHL cup of coffee is possible this coming year, and if healthy, he might spend extended time in the NHL in the winter of 2019.

Kirill Maksimov, Ostap Safin, Filip Berglund, Cameron Hebig, Stuart Skinner, the rest of the prospects are either in the final category or should peak outside the NHL. The Oilers prospect list is not strong, but the 2017 and 2018 drafts have helped in a big way. The next thing to watch for is all of these wingers (Maksimov, Safin, Ryan McLeod, et cetera) to separate, leaving Edmonton with one or two top flight prospects. Maksimov seems the best bet today, but things can change in a quick hurry with prospects. Added to Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto, it’s an encouraging group on the wing.

This would be a fabulous pickup, would help one of the top two lines and give the Oilers a potential 30-goal man on left wing. The cost? Habs are going into a rebuild, Pacioretty has one year left at $4.5 million. A straight up trade is going to be costly, something shy of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (he has three years left at $6 million per season) and more than Ryan Strome. A first-round pick? A little early to be dealing that selection, it could be a lottery pick for a new general manager.

Three Oilers on the list, it should be fun to monitor what is now a large group of CHL prospects this coming season. Ryan McLeod will be an interesting player to follow, his foot speed is fantastic and might get him some looks we don’t anticipate during training camp.

OILERS REPORT CARD

I see the summer assessment’s going up across the universe, I don’t believe the Oilers are done and don’t do report cards anymore. That said, I’m pleased with the summer so far. The draft added three bona fide prospects, including Evan Bouchard who was No. 8 on my list, Ryan McLeon (No. 25) and Olivier Rodrigue (No. 60).

Free agency brought back two nice pieces (Tobias Rieder, Kyle Brodziak) and a third (Kevin Gravel) we’ll see about come fall. The only trade of note in summer was for the brilliantly named Hayden Hawkey and that cost only a future pick.

It’s what to come, the big business of summer, that hovers over the organization. Maybe the Oilers will kick the can down the road another year, hoping the young wingers (Puljujarvi, Yamamoto) and the struggling veterans (Milan Lucic, Zack Kassian) recover. It’s a damn sight better than sending the 2019 first rounder for Max Pacioretty, or packaging Puljujarvi with Lucic and getting out from under with a nuclear sweetener. Stay the course, draft, procure, develop. When you find yourself in a giant hole, stop digging. Will the Oilers change course late summer?

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show running from 10-11:30 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. New faces for fall: Who will have the most impact?
  • Laura Armstrong, Toronto Star. Trade deadline, Vladdy Jr.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. World Cup Soccer pre-game 11:30.

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  1. leeinvan says:

    Pacioretty won’t be coming to the Oiler’s.
    Maybe if they still had Eberle, it would be possible, but your not giving Montreal RNH unless something else is also coming back and we are talking a top prospect, not a throw in or a middling draft pick.

  2. Jethro Tull says:

    “A little early to be dealing that selection, it could be a lottery pick for a new general manager.”

    Why would Chia care if he was fired……..

    A year of Patches? I’d buy that for Lucic.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    Is Rattie actually “ready” or is he a tweener that can produce on the top line zoomed by McDavid.

    Can he produce on the second line with Leon?

    Is he an option in the bottom 6?

    He hasn’t proven to be an every day NHL player other than in the 13 game (I think) sample on McDavid’s right wing – and, frankly, I think some of the metrics showed the goal share unsustainably higher than the possession metrics.

  4. RT26 says:

    If you could trade Lucic without taking back salary, then I would be all for Pacioretty. Putting Pacioretty and Rieder alongside Drai would give us a real second line and shift some of the younger talent down the pecking order (to take on less tough assignments)

  5. Jethro Tull says:

    leeinvan:
    Pacioretty won’t be coming to the Oiler’s.
    Maybe if they still had Eberle, it would be possible, but your not giving Montreal RNH unless something else is alsocoming back and we are talking a top prospect, not a throw in or a middling draft pick.

    No need to give them RNH now, the Habs just showed their hand. Patches just got a whole lot cheaper.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    When re-signed, I was just fine with Keegan Lowe, however, I was under the assumption that he was re-signed to play the same role as he did last year. An AHL veteran mentor for the young prospects and that he isn’t scheduled to be an NHL player unless injuries rack up as they did last year.

    Does management see him as a real prospect? I don’t but the Gryba buyout brings him closer to the NHL so maybe management does.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Is it a great performance at development camp that is making us (me) think Yamamoto is NHL ready? I know better than to put any stock in to development camp – he dominated but was expected (and anything other than domination would have been a disappointment).

    I think one of he a Rattie are on the roster – one player 1RW and the other plays in the AHL.

    With that said, having both on the roster kicks Brad Malone to the AHL where he should be.

  8. leadfarmer says:

    Trading for Patches, and Habs will want a lot for him, to pay him full price for his 31-39 year old seasons would just be silly

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    If Bouchard breaks camp with the team (and I think he is likely to do so), assuming all D are healthy, I think they will carry 8D and 13F through the extended road trip. Gravel and Bouchard. Bouchard does not have to play every game.

    Another way to keep Brad Malone in the AHL, where he belongs.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    I love me some Cooper Marody – what a pleasant surprise it was to see him have a broad skillset when watching some Michigan games. An all-situations player for his team with more skill and a higher hockey IQ than anticipated.

    A great start to this pro career last year – 3 points in 3 games and, from accounts, the best player on the ice in at least one of them.

    Here is hoping that we can allow him to continue to adjust to pro hockey in the AHL.

    It would be really nice to have guys like Marody and Yamamoto in the AHL peculating – players with a real chance to contribute when called up.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    One nice thing about Willie Lagesson is that he won’t have trouble adjusting to North American hockey given a year in the USHL and two college seasons prior to heading to Sweden.

    I’ve only really seen highlights and his games last year at rookie camp but I remember being impressed by his skating and puck moving ability in Penticton – I didn’t expect that.

    He may be the “modern” defensive d-man – mobile and ability to transition.

    A wildcard but great arrows in Sweden last year.

  12. zatch says:

    I think if you’re Edmonton, this has gotta be the year you look at moving the 1st rounder for upgrades.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think Berglund has just as good a chance at the NHL as Lagesson and I think he may challenge when he comes over next year.

    Yes, Maksimov and Safin are not sure bets (lets look where they were drafted) but at least they have arrows up with great draft plus 1 years. Cameron Hebig had a huge season in Regina but we are guarded because he was an over-ager (with that said, he has high talent and was simply set-back due to a major injury – there may be a player there). What is the bet that one of these wingers “makes it”?

  14. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Is it a great performance at development camp that is making us (me) think Yamamoto is NHL ready? I know better than to put any stock in to development camp – he dominated but was expected (and anything other than domination would have been a disappointment).

    I think one of he a Rattie are on the roster – one player 1RW and the other plays in the AHL.

    With that said, having both on the roster kicks Brad Malone to the AHL where he should be.

    I think it’s safe to assume Rattie is definitely gonna start the season with RNH and McDavid. I’m also concerned about where else he can produce in the line-up. But keeping Rattie there does allow TMAC to use a stronger option (JP, Reider, KY?) on Leon’s RW, which might help get the second line scoring. I don’t think Rattie is ideal, but if that combo works like it did last year I’m fine with him there as the elusive “value contract”.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    zatch:
    I think if you’re Edmonton, this has gotta be the year you look at moving the 1st rounder for upgrades.

    Except its moving the first rounder plus roster players b/c there is zero ability to add any cap without corresponding cap going out.

    We couldn’t trade the 2019 for Max P. and go on our merry way (nor should we) – we’d need to move out $4.5M and then find a way to re-sign him at $6M plus.

    In my opinion, that is the exact type of trade this team should be avoiding.

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    “A little early to be dealing that selection, it could be a lottery pick for a new general manager.”

    Why would Chia care if he was fired……..

    A year of Patches?I’d buy that for Lucic.

    Except they don’t want Lucic they will want real value for Max P. – more value than he should have coming off a terrible season and only 1 year until UFA.

    They will want a high prospect and an OK draft pick or a 1st rounder and an OK prospect.

    Hell no!

  17. Wilde says:

    Nick Shore still isn’t signed?

    Just noticed his presence in your article for the last forward spot LT, and though you did mention his strong possession numbers and penalty killing ability, what’s still hidden is his potential offense. It’s touched on in the piece, but there’s a bit to unpack.

    Playing with Trevor Lewis does things to you.

    Bad things.

    Nick Shore had 0.8 primary points per 60.

    From Ryan Stimson’s article on June 18th, we have some underlying numbers to work with.

    Here’s his work I’m referencing again:

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/ryan.stimson#!/vizhome/PlayerPassing/ComparisonDashboard

    All of Nick Shore’s rates of contribution to shots and shot assists are sparkling, but the quality is in the sewer because… Trevor Lewis.

    25.1 Primary Shot Contributions(shots and shot assists) per hour puts our guy Nick at 87th percentile in the NHL.

    He’s just passing and taking passes from plugs. You know the Kings. Fuck ’em. Darryl Sutter coke machines clown parading off the bench like a conveyor belt, shooting two percent and knee-hunting.

    Anyways yeah, his expected primary points is actually almost double his actual, 1.40/60 up from 0.80/60.

    I feel like if you give this spot to a vet there’s no chance he ends up scoring well, and a decent chance his boots and done and he loses possession too.

    If you give it to Shore, you know you’re not gonna get outshot, and maybe he surprises you offensively

  18. Jaxon says:

    I wish the Oilers had enough cap space to sign Nurse long term. I have a feeling he’s about to blow up offensively. And he’s probably 4 to 6 years from his peak. He’s going to cost a lot in a couple years if he finds some more production. He was already among the leagues top D in TOI (top 6) and 5-on-5 Points (top 35) in his 22-year-old season. Unfortunately, overpays on Caggiula, Koskinen and Russell have closed that window of opportunity.

  19. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Another way to keep Brad Malone in the AHL, where he belongs.

    OriginalPouzar:

    With that said, having both on the roster kicks Brad Malone to the AHL where he should be.

    Your anti-Malone campaign is equal parts bewildering and hilarious

  20. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Except they don’t want Lucic they will want real value for Max P. – more value than he should have coming off a terrible season and only 1 year until UFA.

    They will want a high prospect and an OK draft pick or a 1st rounder and an OK prospect.

    Hell no!

    They won’t get real value now for Patches….as I said, they showed they’re hand. All teams have to do is wait until next year when he’s UFA.

    Oilers Fans: We need veteran skill for the wings to play with either Drai or Connor until our value contracts are able to provide run support.

    One comes available for what should be pretty cheap, if the Habs want ANY return at all….

    Also Oilers fans: Yeah we can’t give up anything to get the fore-mentioned player. He’s gotta cost nothing and play for free.

    I would absolutely have Patches over Reider and Brodziak. Players like Patches are who bumps players down the roster until they’re ready. Not Kailer Yamamoto or JP.

  21. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar: Except they don’t want Lucic they will want real value for Max P. – more value than he should have coming off a terrible season and only 1 year until UFA.

    They will want a high prospect and an OK draft pick or a 1st rounder and an OK prospect.

    Hell no!

    Do you trade Lucic and 2019 1st for Patches?

  22. Wilde says:

    ———————————————————————————————————————————

    Bob Stauffer
    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer

    16 minutes ago

    At some point Evan Bouchard will likely get signed in the AAV range (with bonuses) similar to the ELC’s for Mikko Rantanen and Tyson Jost.
    With RFA Darnell Nurse, an AHL Center and Bouchard Oilers will be at 47 contracts.
    No guarantee the teams signs a 14th forward at this time

    ———————————————————————————————————————————

    “An AHL centre” is the keyphrase here for me, the one unknown.

    Peter Chiarelli also mentioned maybe acquiring an ‘up and down’ centre in his press avail post-draft, IIRC.

    I’d like it if they focused on finding an offensively strong centre for that role, to pair veteran skill with the newcoming wingers.

    Someone more Ty Rattie than Grayson Downing.

  23. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Is Rattie actually “ready” or is he a tweener that can produce on the top line zoomed by McDavid.

    Can he produce on the second line with Leon?

    Is he an option in the bottom 6?

    He hasn’t proven to be an every day NHL player other than in the 13 game (I think) sample on McDavid’s right wing – and, frankly, I think some of the metrics showed the goal share unsustainably higher than the possession metrics.

    Rattle is skilled,knows this is his last stop garage, and has matured enough to the point where he can produce with other skilled players, somebody has to break out for this team succeed this fall, my money is on him.

  24. Oilman99 says:

    Wilde:
    Your anti-Malone campaign is equal parts bewildering and hilarious

    Totally agree, wonder if he would like to tell us how he really feels.

  25. Oilman99 says:

    dustrock: Do you trade Lucic and 2019 1st for Patches?

    Total over pay Patchman is on the same trajectory as Lucic,BAD IDEA!

  26. defmn says:

    Jethro Tull:
    “A little early to be dealing that selection, it could be a lottery pick for a new general manager.”

    Why would Chia care if he was fired……..

    A year of Patches?I’d buy that for Lucic.

    I have run across this sentiment here quite often that Chiarelli will do something dangerous to the future of the franchise in order to save his own job and I have to admit I find that unlikely.

    He is far too young to be thinking of retirement so would presumably be looking for work should he be let go in Edmonton.

    In what world would it make sense to sacrifice the good of your employer for your own selfish concerns? The hockey community is small compared to most industries and trades made by a NHL GM are very public. I know that the last person I would want to hire is somebody who made things worse in the medium run just to make themselves look good short term. It defies the logic of self interest imo.

    Not meant for you personally – your comment just happened to be the one I responded to – but this makes no sense to me. If I think I am going to need a new job in the near future I think I would be looking to improve my resume rather than add a stain to it.

  27. npanciroli says:

    I do wonder if you can get someone a bit younger with Lucic and the 1st.

  28. Primetime says:

    Jethro Tull: No need to give them RNH now, the Habs just showed their hand.Patches just got a whole lot cheaper.

    Agree, Bergevan has really played this hand poorly hasn’t he?

    It was already a tough situation, but 2 things have absolutely sewered his ability to get value back:

    1) telling Patches they will not negotiate another contract, thus letting everyone know he is a free agent regardless after this year

    2) Patches demanding to be compensated for years of lost wages on a “value contract” while being one of the best goal scorers in the league. This has been widely reported and fits with him changing agents to Walsh

    Both of those things turn the verbal into him being purely a rental player for any interested team. I doubt any are willing to trade and immediately sign an aging scorer to a massive contract without seeing his results/fit on their team this year. That limits the return Montreal will get. They may well not even get a 1st rounder offered unless they hang on to him until the trade deadline and get a late round pick from a Cup contender at that time.

    He should have taken the best offer at last years deadline.

  29. who says:

    Oilman99: Total over pay Patchman is on the same trajectory as Lucic,BAD IDEA!

    Comparing Lucic and Pacioretty is quite a stretch. Pacioretty can still skate and shoot the puck. He is a proven 30 goal scorer. I would bet he ages a lot better than Lucic.
    Not sure I would be willing to give up a first rounder for him though. Not unless we can add Lucic and I doubt Lucic waives to go to Montreal.
    If you could extend Pacioretty with the JVR deal (5×7) that would be a good trade.

  30. who says:

    who: Comparing Lucic and Pacioretty is quite a stretch. Pacioretty can still skate and shoot the puck. He is a proven 30 goal scorer. I would bet he ages a lot better than Lucic.
    Not sure I would be willing to give up a first rounder for him though. Not unless we can add Lucic and I doubt Lucic waives to go to Montreal.
    If you could extend Pacioretty with the JVR deal (5×7) that would be a good trade.

    Take it one step further. Forget the 1st rounder. Would you be willing to trade Nuge and Lucic for an extended Pacioretty and Pohling?

  31. Primetime says:

    OriginalPouzar: Except its moving the first rounder plus roster players b/c there is zero ability to add any cap without corresponding cap going out.

    We couldn’t trade the 2019 for Max P. and go on our merry way (nor should we) – we’d need to move out $4.5M and then find a way to re-sign him at $6M plus.

    This is actually one of the biggest, but rarely mentioned, problem with Chia’s “Death by a thousand cuts” management style.

    If we ever did have the opportunity to pick up a useful player at a reasonable price, we couldn’t because of the cap space. Worse, is we don’t have a single player to move out to make the cap space that isn’t either A) too valuable/integral to the team or B) old, undesirable with a NMC. Instead, what we have is a bunch of middling players that are all paid just a little too much that add up to the cap ceiling. But trading one of them away does not open up enough cap space, we would have to trade 2 or 3 of them (likely in separate deals) but then also replace all those spots!

    I have not really missed Benoit Pouliot since he and his offensive zone penalties left town, but at least he may have given us the option of saying…” Fine, we will give you the 2019 1st rounder, plus a top prospect for Patches, but you have to take Pouliot for the cap space”

  32. CrazyCoach says:

    I’ve always questioned how the Oilers have taken their first round picks and played them.Perhaps a different approach would work. I know we all like the shiny new things, but more and more research into what are essentially kids being thrown into pro sports, is showing just how wrong a notion that is. Yes, there are exceptions like McDavid who was probably ready at 16, but for the majority of kids, it simply isn’t so.

    Even in terms of the players themselves, research has shown among college kids (18-22 years of age) that they are less likely than their non athletic counterparts in making career decisions. We can speculate on this, but my theory is that many of them have sacrificed their academics for the athletics, and of course the sooner they play pro, the sooner they get paid. If your organization is filled with former players, I think the tendency is to push the players into positions they are not ready for, especially when you combine it with a fan base that is quite knowledgeable and wanting a winner.

    Tampa Bay has a bit of an advantage in that most of it’s fanbase probably don’t even know their first round picks and those picks are allowed to develop at a reasonable rate free from the prying eyes of its fanbase.

    Just my thoughts for today.

  33. Bag of Pucks says:

    FYI – LT

    Following the changeover to https: I know you’re aware of the fact that comments are no longer displayed unless the user logs in, but I’m also finding the current post is also not visible until after login. From my experience, that’s not a limitation you would anticipate having to live with as a result of the switchover to the secure protocol.

    From a user experience pov, it is acceptable (though not optimal) to force users to login to view comments, but it’s also probable that you have a good chunk of users who consistently read or browse your written content but don’t interact by posting. I would think it would be a good idea to fix the ‘last post not visible unless logged in’ bug for these folks, or you potentially run the risk of these types of users declining because they’re not seeing your latest content for the current date upon arrival.

  34. Silver Streak says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    ” Cameron Hebig had a huge season in Regina” .

    “I love me some Cooper Marody – what a pleasant surprise it was to see him have a broad skillset when watching some Michigan games”.

    “I’ve only really seen highlights and his games last year at rookie camp but I remember being impressed by his skating and puck moving ability in Penticton – I didn’t expect that”.

    O.P. Methinks you should cut back a little on the caffeine, and the inflated opinion of your personal opinions…..Hebig is a Saskatoon boy, played 238 games as a Blade…only 26 as a Pat.

  35. Silver Streak says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    Cameron Hebig had a huge season in Regina .

    I love me some Cooper Marody – what a pleasant surprise it was to see him have a broad skillset when watching some Michigan games.

    I’ve only really seen highlights and his games last year at rookie camp but I remember being impressed by his skating and puck moving ability in Penticton – I didn’t expect that.

    O.P. Methinks you should cut back a little on the caffeine, and the inflated opinion of your personal opinions…..BTW Hebig is a Saskatoon boy, played 238 games as a Blade…only 26 as a Pat.

  36. dustrock says:

    CrazyCoach:
    I’ve always questioned how the Oilers have taken their first round picks and played them.Perhaps a different approach would work.I know we all like the shiny new things, but more and more research into what are essentially kids being thrown into pro sports, is showing just how wrong a notion that is.Yes, there are exceptions like McDavid who was probably ready at 16, but for the majority of kids, it simply isn’t so.

    Even in terms of the players themselves, research has shown among college kids (18-22 years of age) that they are less likely than their non athletic counterparts in making career decisions.We can speculate on this, but my theory is that many of them have sacrificed their academics for the athletics, and of course the sooner they play pro, the sooner they get paid.If your organization is filled with former players, I think the tendency is to push the players into positions they are not ready for, especially when you combine it with a fan base that is quite knowledgeable and wanting a winner.

    Tampa Bay has a bit of an advantage in that most of it’s fanbase probably don’t even know their first round picks and those picks are allowed to develop at a reasonable rate free from the prying eyes of its fanbase.

    Just my thoughts for today.

    Yeah I mean in the NBA and soccer it’s extremely unusual to get 18 year old players who are ready to go. Most NBA lottery picks are 19 years old and then it’s only the Lebron Jameses and Durants who can contribute on a star level that early.

    Ditto soccer.

    Why should hockey be different?

  37. Bag of Pucks says:

    The Oilers have definitely acquired a history when it comes to fast tracking their draft picks, but a note of encouragement with Bouchard is how many scouts are saying that he’s one of the few prospects who looks most pro ready and capable of making the jump now.

    As you say, that’s not saying it’s the right call, but at least there’s a little more evidence this time around to support it.

    Bear vs. Bouchard. Should be one of the more interesting battles in training camp, alongside Yama vs. Puli. Remember the bad old days when there was no competition at training camp? It was literally Sam Gagner vs. JF Jacques!

    And, oh yeah, Go England!!!

  38. Melvis says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    FYI – LT

    Following the changeover to https: I know you’re aware of the fact that comments are no longer displayed unless the user logs in, but I’m also finding the current post is also not visible until after login. From my experience, that’s not a limitation you would anticipate having to live with as a result of the switchover to the secure protocol.

    From a user experience pov, it is acceptable (though not optimal) to force users to login to view comments, but it’s also probable that you have a good chunk of users who consistently read or browse your written content but don’t interact by posting. I would think it would be a good idea to fix the ‘last post not visible unless logged in’ bug for these folks, or you potentially run the risk of these types of users declining because they’re not seeing your latest content for the current date upon arrival.

    Good points. I don’t mind logging in, but after doing so I have to click the masthead for the current day’s thread. I don’t mind that so much either, except the current day thread isn’t on a punch clock exactly. The thread could be a considerable number of comments in, within a 15 to 30 min window of 9:00 am – my time zone. Then I’m playing catchup.

    More problematic is sending a friend over for a gander. If they can’t take a peek and have to sign in, they don’t bother. Period.

    It’s just one more log and pass protected thing people have to manage. And there’s a limit.

  39. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lucic to Montreal actually makes some sense. The Habs would definitely be in the ‘saw him good’ group with this player and Bergevin has shown a tendency to favour reputation and locker room intangibles with the Weber for Subban acquisition.

    That said if they’re cutting Max over salary concerns, hard to fathom them not seeing the Lucic deal as an albatross.

  40. Bag of Pucks says:

    Melvis: Good points. I don’t mind logging in, but after doing so I have to click the masthead for the current day’s thread. I don’t mind that so much either, except the current day thread isn’t on a punch clock exactly. The thread could be a considerable number of comments in,within a 15 to 30 min window of 9:00 am – my time zone. Then I’m playing catchup.

    More problematic is sending a friend over for a gander. If they can’t take a peek and have to sign in, they don’t bother. Period.

    It’s just one more log and pass protected thing people have to manage. And there’s a limit.

    Agreed and https shouldn’t force this limitation. As with all things web ‘upgrades,’ I’m sure there’s been a few glitches to deal with and the Lowetide Responsive Web Team is on the case!

  41. Chicken Tikkanen says:

    Long time reader, first time post.

    I don’t think there is any way the Oilers can afford to part with picks (much less a 1st rounder) for Pacioretty. The Oilers also lack capable NHLers to package in a trade.

    Even if Max could somehow be acquired to patch (heh!) up the well-documented holes in the lineup, before long he would be the aging veteran they’d be trying to jettison. At that point, the Oil would be missing the assets dealt, PLUS trying to fill the gap left by the deteriorating Pacioretty. No thanks!

    The Oilers need the draft picks to mature, and in the meantime, to use cheap FA signings to use as placeholders. They should not be parting with real assets for short-term gains at this stage. If they were priming for a long playoff run, or were overflowing with talented youngsters with no place to play them – that’s a different story, one that hasn’t been told here for decades.

  42. Primetime says:

    dustrock: Yeah I mean in the NBA and soccer it’s extremely unusual to get 18 year old players who are ready to go. Most NBA lottery picks are 19 years old and then it’s only the Lebron Jameses and Durants who can contribute on a star level that early.

    Ditto soccer.

    Why should hockey be different?

    NBA lottery picks are 19 because they are not allowed to be drafted into the NBA until 19. They have to play in NCAA or Europe when 18. This has led to the “One and done” phenomenon of players going to college for a single year and then declaring for the NBA draft.

    Interestingly Adam Silver just this week hinted they will be getting rid of that rule and allowing 18 year olds back into the draft. Part of the reason is that NCAA colleges spend significant dollars and recruitment time getting these players only to lose them the next year. They would rather have stability in their program and let the big fish go early to the NBA.

  43. Profit says:

    Given there is a lot of “hearsay” around the Lucic rumours I doubt I can be definitive in this statement, but I have to believe there is almost zero chance Lucic waives to go to Montreal.

    It seems like the “lifestyle” verbal has been equal parts “intense Canadian hockey market leads to bad family life” and “small Canadian city leads to bad family life” and I don’t think Montreal fixes either of those. Montreal pressure is up there with Toronto which makes Edmonton look like Carolina in comparison. And while Montreal is slightly larger as a metropolitan centre, it’s no LA/TBay/Boston.

    I just think there is no chance Lucic to Montreal happens, imo.

  44. russ99 says:

    Montreal wants a center for Patches.

    Lucic, Strome and a future conditional higher pick for Pacioretti and a bad contract (Shaw?)

  45. russ99 says:

    Chicken Tikkanen,

    Pacioretti is a FA next summer, I think that would be a good one year trial deal to shore the wing up while we’re waiting to get extra cap room when Sekera and Russell lose trade protection.

    All the better if we can dump Looch in the deal, but Montreal would be a hard sell.

  46. Georges says:

    LT,

    It looks like you’re using some kind of caching service. The cache isn’t updating correctly as new content arrives (new posts and comments). It seems, instead, to be set to expire and refresh at regular intervals. Not sure why this is different for people who’re logged in. You might want to look at the settings for the cache plugin you’re using for WordPress, if that’s how you’re doing it. Or ask the GoDaddy people to look into any problem with the caching configuration.

  47. godot10 says:

    Rattie doesn’t play well enough defensively to be anything more than an injury replacement in the top six.

    He is suited to being the 13the forward,

    Rieder is the best candidate for RW on McDavid’s line until Puljujarvi or Yamamoto are ready.

  48. CrazyCoach says:

    dustrock: Why should hockey be different?

    Exactly.

    If this franchise’s record with development is any indicator, people need to slow down and let the kids develop at a rate that is best to them and the franchise in the long run.

  49. CrazyCoach says:

    Bag of Pucks: The Oilers have definitely acquired a history when it comes to fast tracking their draft picks, but a note of encouragement with Bouchard is how many scouts are saying that he’s one of the few prospects who looks most pro ready and capable of making the jump now.

    As you say, that’s not saying it’s the right call, but at least there’s a little more evidence this time around to support it.

    But what is the evidence to support it? Subjective opinions of a group of people, who themsleves were pushed into making a career choice at 18?

  50. Jordan says:

    dustrock: Yeah I mean in the NBA and soccer it’s extremely unusual to get 18 year old players who are ready to go. Most NBA lottery picks are 19 years old and then it’s only the Lebron Jameses and Durants who can contribute on a star level that early.

    Ditto soccer.

    Why should hockey be different?

    *Drum roll*

    #BecauseOilers

    *Rim shot*

  51. jeetz says:

    It would be nice to see the Oilers trade Lucic to a US team for very little back. Try not to hold much salary. Something like

    Lucic + Jones for a 2nd or 3rd round pick

    Use the cap space to trade for and sign Pacioretty

    Pacioretty For Yamamoto (I’m not a believer in his hype but many are)

  52. Chicken Tikkanen says:

    russ99,

    Yeah, I see that – but the Oilers don’t have assets to deal that won’t compromise the future. They are much more than a Pacioretty away from being able to compete consistently. Where other teams have multiple assets to deal, the Oilers don’t – and would almost certainly have to deal a high pick in lieu of a roster player. I agree he would help – in the short run.

  53. smellyglove says:

    Is Aberg not a candidate for McDavid RW?

  54. John Chambers says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Great comment.

    Specifically regarding Jesse Puljujarvi, the Oilers handling of the player was downright befuddling. They essentially determined that teaching the “North American game” and controlling the player’s training regimen was more important than the player’s personal well-being, undermining all of the rich development that contributed to JP being who he was the day the Oilers drafted him.

    Some guys, like McDavid, Draisaitl, and Bouchard, seem more mature and adaptable, ergo the point I’m contributing is there can’t be only one template for developing a player.

  55. Wilde says:

    Via Sean Tierney Games Against Replacement/60 scores for each team’s top 4D, EDM is 16th/31.

    The top-six forward group is 20th/31.

  56. McSorley33 says:

    I agree with Godot – I would like to see a pre-season audition for McDavid’s RW.

    I would like to see how Reider does there – given his speed.

    Suspect Rattie will start the year there though….

  57. dustrock says:

    Wilde:
    Via Sean Tierney Games Against Replacement/60 scores for each team’s top 4D, EDM is 16th/31.

    The top-six forward group is 20th/31.

    Ha ha ha includes RNH, Draisaitl and the best player in the world and forwards still at 20th.

    But McLellan will be the one to get fired when this team can’t score

  58. Melvis says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I’m sure many here are familiar with the entire front blackboard scrawled over with math and physics related formulae.

    And that’s how much log and pass and related chicken scratch I’ve accumulated in little black books since early days of dial up modems. Our many, many means of communication have expanded exponentially over the last 30yrs – to the point where I now long for the Pony Express and telegrams. Grins.

  59. cowboy bill says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    If Bouchard breaks camp with the team (and I think he is likely to do so), assuming all D are healthy, I think they will carry 8D and 13F through the extended road trip.Gravel and Bouchard. Bouchard does not have to play every game.

    Another way to keep Brad Malone in the AHL, where he belongs.

    The play of Ethan Bear might have some say in whether Bouchard stays with the Oil , or is sent back to junior . The other camp battle I see is Puljujarvi vs Yamamotto .

  60. CrazyCoach says:

    John Chambers: Specifically regarding Jesse Puljujarvi, the Oilers handling of the player was downright befuddling. They essentially determined that teaching the “North American game” and controlling the player’s training regimen was more important than the player’s personal well-being, undermining all of the rich development that contributed to JP being who he was the day the Oilers drafted him.

    Some guys, like McDavid, Draisaitl, and Bouchard, seem more mature and adaptable, ergo the point I’m contributing is there can’t be only one template for developing a player.

    Very true,

    In the one study I read, the researchers spoke of the need to adjust for individual differences and that those test subjects who self-identified as “minorities” would need extra training for career choices as opposed to their counterparts.

    Individuality has to be taken into account of course, but the message is that athletes as a general rule are less apt to make the right choice. With Pool Party, he should have went back to Finland, got into English studies, and just played another season on the big ice. It wouldn’t have hurt him one bit.

  61. Munny says:

    I don’t see any way that Patches is coming here unless Lucic is going in the other direction. And I don’t see him waiving for another Canadian fishbowl.

  62. Munny says:

    Melvis,

    I can’t remember the last time I bought a stamp. Taxes, maybe?

  63. Caribbeerman says:

    smellyglove:
    Is Aberg not a candidate for McDavid RW?

    I bet he thinks he is!!

  64. leadfarmer says:

    jeetz,

    Yeah and then what. Spend 8-9 mil a year for Paciorettys 31-39 year old seasons?

  65. JimmyV1965 says:

    Hey LT. Just wanted to add my two cents on teams farthest from the Stanley Cup. I would actually put the Hawks up there as one of those
    teams. Their core is really starting to age, especially on defence. I think they’re similar to the Ducks, but Anaheim has some really nice young players on defence. Any strength the Hawks have is on the wing and we know how that rolls.

  66. npanciroli says:

    smellyglove,

    I think McLellan thinks it is Caggiula’s to lose.

  67. Westchester Oil says:

    Wilde:
    Your anti-Malone campaign is equal parts bewildering and hilarious

    Agreed – was thinking the same thing. 🙂

  68. BlueNoteNorth says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    FYI – LT

    Following the changeover to https: I know you’re aware of the fact that comments are no longer displayed unless the user logs in, but I’m also finding the current post is also not visible until after login. From my experience, that’s not a limitation you would anticipate having to live with as a result of the switchover to the secure protocol.

    From a user experience pov, it is acceptable (though not optimal) to force users to login to view comments, but it’s also probable that you have a good chunk of users who consistently read or browse your written content but don’t interact by posting. I would think it would be a good idea to fix the ‘last post not visible unless logged in’ bug for these folks, or you potentially run the risk of these types of users declining because they’re not seeing your latest content for the current date upon arrival.

    +1

  69. Munny says:

    dustrock: Yeah I mean in the NBA and soccer it’s extremely unusual to get 18 year old players who are ready to go. Most NBA lottery picks are 19 years old and then it’s only the Lebron Jameses and Durants who can contribute on a star level that early.

    Ditto soccer.

    Why should hockey be different?

    Soccer is trending younger. And will continue to do so, especially if England makes the final as it will mean two of the younger sides playing for the Cup.

    And keep in mind if we are comparing the NHL to soccer at the club level, we see more youth than we do on the big stage–where managers are concerned with younger players dealing with the pressure.

  70. leadfarmer says:

    BlueNoteNorth,

    Agree. It’s beyond annoying to log in each and every time

  71. Ryan says:

    Georges:
    LT,

    It looks like you’re using some kind of caching service. The cache isn’t updating correctly as new content arrives (new posts and comments). It seems, instead, to be set to expire and refresh at regular intervals. Not sure why this is different for people who’re logged in. You might want to look at the settings for the cache plugin you’re using for WordPress, if that’s how you’re doing it. Or ask the GoDaddy people to look into any problem with the caching configuration.

    He’s mentioned flushing GoDaddy’s cache on the server site previously, but the problems are redolent of an issue with a plugin like W3Totalcache, wordpress plugin.

    The plugin has an option to not use the cache for logged in users which is why seemingly the problem resolves when we log in. There’s also an option to flush the cache when you post a new article. This would solve the issue of the new posts not showing up for those not logged in. However, flushing the cache when you post a new article causes a spike in server load which can crash a high volume site like this.The comments still won’t update with this plugin for non logged in users, so readers will have to log in to view them.

  72. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock: Ha ha ha includes RNH, Draisaitl and the best player in the world and forwards still at 20th.

    But McLellan will be the one to get fired when this team can’t score

    I don’t think scoring goals is the biggest issue for this team. It’s preventing them. That’s on the coach and the goalie.

  73. Melvis says:

    Munny,

    I’m still using some 5 cent stamps from eons ago. I found them in an old wallet of all places. I wouldn’t wish the condoms in there on my worst enemy.

  74. JimmyV1965 says:

    Geez. The Habs are in tough with Patches. No one should give up any kind of meaningful asset to get him. I can’t imagine giving up a first round pick for him, only to overpay him as a Day 1 UFA next year. I’m sure he will remain a Hab until the trade deadline.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    CrazyCoach: But what is the evidence to support it?Subjective opinions of a group of people, who themsleves were pushed into making a career choice at 18?

    Certainly nothing definitive. It’s just a positive arrow.

    I definitely swim against the tide on this stuff on this board. I don’t buy into consensus rankings. See them as largely groupthink and I’m hugely of the opinion that the Oilers deferring to an alleged BPA strategy seriously impeded Tank/Rebuild 1.0 when simply drafting for need (e.g. Seguin, Larsson, Galchenyuk) likely put them far ahead of the W bonanza they chased with Hall, RNH (currently at LW) and Yakupov (currently buying blue jeans on the black market).

  76. Professor Q says:

    dustrock: Yeah I mean in the NBA and soccer it’s extremely unusual to get 18 year old players who are ready to go. Most NBA lottery picks are 19 years old and then it’s only the Lebron Jameses and Durants who can contribute on a star level that early.

    Ditto soccer.

    Why should hockey be different?

    Aren’t there many soccer stars signed when they’re 16-17? You hear about it frequently. That’s after they’re signed from like 12-15 to the junior clubs of the big clubs (soccer’s version of the pipeline system). Maybe they don’t make the first squad or the national teams, or at least the major event national teams (which occur every 4 years), for a few years, but they do start in the systems younger than hockey.

    Maybe there could be a similar system put in place for hockey, with junior players drafted by NHL teams but put in development and training mode in their respectful leagues for 4-5 years before AHL/NHL time, with exceptions?

  77. trencan says:

    Munny: Soccer is trending younger.And will continue to do so, especially if England makes the final as it will mean two of the younger sides playing for the Cup.

    And keep in mind if we are comparing the NHL to soccer at the club level, we see more youth than we do on the big stage–where managers are concerned with younger players dealing with the pressure.

    France has young team as well. Yes, also soccer is trending younger.

  78. Melvis says:

    Why do so many want to trade the Nuge every time some ridculously distant and equally speculative trade possibility rears it’s ugly head.

    The Nuge is my favorite Oiler, bar none.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL9JgMt4okM

  79. Munny says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Geez. The Habs are in tough with Patches. No one should give up any kind of meaningful asset to get him. I can’t imagine giving up a first round pick for him, only to overpay him as a Day 1 UFA next year. I’m sure he will remain a Hab until the trade deadline.

    This whole hullabaloo may have merely been Bergevin basically advising Patches that they are not going to re-sign him, and will be allowing prospective trade partners to negotiate an extension. Hard to say without all the info.

    That said, he’s not really a fit for the Oil, so I’m not wasting many brain cells on it. Only have a couple hundred left and they gotta last me… Like Melvis’s condoms. 😉

  80. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ryan: He’s mentioned flushing GoDaddy’s cache on the server site previously, but the problems are redolent of an issue with a plugin like W3Totalcache, wordpress plugin.

    The plugin has an option to not use the cache for logged in users which is why seemingly the problem resolves when we log in. There’s also an option to flush the cache when you post a new article. This would solve the issue of the new posts not showing up for those not logged in. However, flushing the cache when you post a new article causes a spike in server load which can crash a high volume site like this.The comments still won’t update with this plugin for non logged in users, so readers will have to log in to view them.

    In other words, LT”s a victim of his own success! Oh, we knew him when…. ; )

  81. Professor Q says:

    trencan: France has young team as well. Yes, also soccer is trending younger.

    Denmark is fairly young now, as well. I think they’d also have a good chance to get into the final if they’d had beaten Croatia (almost a literal toss-up). Now I just have to cheer for Croatia, anyway.

    The old stars are fading, with Netherlands, Spain, Italy, and Germany growing old and giving way to younger teams. Even Ronaldo and Messi will have to give way soon.

  82. Munny says:

    trencan,

    Lol, hence “two of the”. 😉

    And as Professor Q notes above, many are signed at the club level much earlier than hockey.

  83. Lowetide says:

    I flushed cache at 1:05 pm Edmonton time. Whew. That’s a relief.

  84. Lowetide says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Hey LT. Just wanted to add my two cents on teams farthest from the Stanley Cup.I would actually put the Hawks up there as one of those
    teams. Their core is really starting to age, especially on defence. I think they’re similar to the Ducks, but Anaheim has some really nice young players on defence. Any strength the Hawks have is on the wing and we know how that rolls.

    That’s a really good point. Hawks are in for a long fade here unless they can find the fountain of youth.

  85. Lowetide says:

    smellyglove:
    Is Aberg not a candidate for McDavid RW?

    I’d say yes if I knew all was forgiven.

  86. Jethro Tull says:

    defmn: I have run across this sentiment here quite often that Chiarelli will do something dangerous to the future of the franchise in order to save his own job and I have to admit I find that unlikely.

    He is far too young to be thinking of retirement so would presumably be looking for work should he be let go in Edmonton.

    In what world would it make sense to sacrifice the good of your employer for your own selfish concerns? The hockey community is small compared to most industries and trades made by a NHL GM are very public. I know that the last person I would want to hire is somebody who made things worse in the medium run just to make themselves look good short term. It defies the logic of self interest imo.

    Not meant for you personally – your comment just happened to be the one I responded to – but this makes no sense to me. If I think I am going to need a new job in the near future I think I would be looking to improve my resume rather than add a stain to it.

    Sorry, not the point i was reaching for! What I meant was, Chia would make the decision for what he thought were the right reasons, but if he were fired, he wouldn’t lose sleep over it.

    I didn’t mean to infer that Chia would make a reckless trade, not caring about his subsequent reputation. I mean, he’s demonstrated that enough, non?

  87. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: That’s a really good point. Hawks are in for a long fade here unless they can find the fountain of youth.

    Nobody mentions the Hossa – Panarin – Saad triangle. The Hawks have never been shy at cutting bait, but maybe they waited a little long on some…

  88. Melvis says:

    My gym sports an indoor soccer half pitch plus. The soft track for walk and jog is on the mezzanine level above.

    Saturday morning youth league games often leave me mesmerized as I jog the go arounds looking over the rail.

    Maybe even more than age relevant kid’s hockey when I take that in.

    We’re gonna put up some exceptional soccer talent in the next decade or so. And what ‘s partially driving this? I’m gonna guess – divorce rates.

    Because some of those single mom’s in the crowd weave their own tales in terms of inherent costs of fielding their kids in competitive sports.

    Unfortunately, hockey dominance might suffer.

  89. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: That’s a really good point. Hawks are in for a long fade here unless they can find the fountain of youth.

    I think they’ve drafted fairly well in the past few seasons, though. The Panarin trade might bite them too, however. Long contracts on aging stars vs. keeping said good draftees.

  90. Melvis says:

    Lowetide,

    I’ve got the gout acting up. Flushing the cache…screaming toe = roadballs.

    A euphemism once used to describe five night backto backs – each leg four hundred miles apart.

  91. Yegfoundation says:

    Wilde,

    These attacks should not be tolerated. OP is stating that he feels the player in question should be in the A. What exactly, is your issue him expressing his opinion? What value does your comment add, other than putting down a contributor to this community?

    Yesterday it was GODOT who was the brunt of similar attaches and today OP. This behaviour is making me uncomfortable and I won’t continue to visit this site if it continues.

  92. Richard S.S. says:

    When a currently drafted player gets sent down/assigned to a MJ team for the Season it’s generally his third year. Evan Bouchard finished his third year before being drafted, so is he one year better than his fellow draftees? I think he’s very close or better with most. I think sending him down for another challengeless fourth MJ year is detrimental to his development – he’ll learn little.

    I expect Evan Bouchard to make the Roster and get his nine games. He’s very close. This is the best way to see what he still needs to do. If he’s down after his nine, it’s to his MJ team. It’s playing the 10th game and more that starts his contract (ELC). If he’s sent down then, does he go to Bakersfield?

  93. Yegfoundation says:

    Silver Streak,

    Me thinks, you should refrain from personal attacks on another poster.

  94. PennersPancakes says:

    Richard S.S.: If he’s sent down then, does he go to Bakersfield?

    I believe he still has to go down to the OHL just like how Drai went back to the WHL after his ~40 NHL games.

  95. digger50 says:

    If Bouchard goes down after 9 games it may suit him to go overseas for the season. Lots of good defenders and coaches in the swedish league. Nothing for him in the OHL.

  96. PennersPancakes says:

    Yegfoundation: These attacks should not be tolerated.

    Agreed personal attacks shouldn’t be condoned but…. that’s just banter. Suggesting comments such as those don’t belong is over censorship for sure.

  97. PennersPancakes says:

    digger50,

    Ive wondered about the possibility of that as well. It certainly didn’t harm Matthews to play in Switzerland for his draft season. Do you think adjusting to international ice then back to NA ice would counter any added development of playing against increased level of competition?

  98. Bruce McCurdy says:

    godot10:
    Rattie doesn’t play well enough defensively to be anything more than an injury replacement in the top six.

    He is suited to being the 13the forward,

    Rieder is the best candidate for RW on McDavid’s line until Puljujarvi or Yamamoto are ready.

    Oilers GF on /60 (min 180 mins 5v5)

    1. Rattie 4.35
    2. Auvitu (!!) 3.69
    3. McDavid 3.62
    4. Draisaitl 3.14
    5. Gryba (!) 3.03

    Oilers GA on /60

    1. Rattie 4.35
    2. Bear 3.49
    3. Sekera 3.27
    4. Draisaitl 3.25
    5. Letestu 3.13

    Small sample size obviously, I had to cut my usual 5 hour threshold down to 3 to fit Rattie in, but the residual facts are that he was a very high event player leading the Oilers by far in both categories. I’m more concerned about net figures, which are dead even. Not good enough for McDavid’s line, on which Rattie played almost exclusively. Need McDavid line to be a clear outscorer or it’s not working.

    Every reason to give Rattie another look there but the defensive side of the puck needs to be a focus.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    zatch:
    I think if you’re Edmonton, this has gotta be the year you look at moving the 1st rounder for upgrades.

    I think the exact opposite.

  100. digger50 says:

    PennersPancakes:
    digger50,

    Ive wondered about the possibility of that as well. It certainly didn’t harm Matthews to play in Switzerland for his draft season. Do you think adjusting to international ice then back to NA ice would counter any added development of playing against increased level of competition?

    I don’t know. My opinion is that it’s all learning and it is all beneficial. Sweden develops fantastic defencemen and they adapt fine. NHLers adapt to international standards ce all the time.
    I think the experience may held Bouchard with his speed, further his transition game, open up some new ideas. It may well not help with developing of his offence.

    Returning to OHL morning that improve his confidence and skills, but to a lesser degree.

    Returning to the Jessie P example for a minute (as a reference)
    The experience for Bouchard may enhance his hockey skills. As for the culture and language, that would depend on Bouchard. As we have seen, those two elements can be such a struggle a player can lose focus on his game and actually lose development time.

  101. trencan says:

    Professor Q: Denmark is fairly young now, as well. I think they’d also have a good chance to get into the final if they’d had beaten Croatia (almost a literal toss-up). Now I just have to cheer for Croatia, anyway.

    The old stars are fading, with Netherlands, Spain, Italy, and Germany growing old and giving way to younger teams. Even Ronaldo and Messi will have to give way soon.

    I think there is a lot of young german players in Bundesliga, they are giving them a lot of opportunities . But you are right with the other teams, especially Italy. I cheer for Belgium, they deserve a succes with their golden generation, this World Cup is most likely their last chance (or maybe Euro 2020).

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon:
    I wish the Oilers had enough cap space to sign Nurse long term. I have a feeling he’s about to blow up offensively. And he’s probably 4 to 6 years from his peak. He’s going to cost a lot in a couple years if he finds some more production. He was already among the leagues top D in TOI (top 6) and 5-on-5 Points (top 35) in his 22-year-old season. Unfortunately, overpays on Caggiula, Koskinen and Russell have closed that window of opportunity.

    I would pull the trigger on a long term deal at any number under $5M – figure out cap compliance over the next few months.

    With that said, I’m personally not worried about him blowing up offensively. I understand that all of his 26 points with even strength (which was around 37th in the NHL for d-men) and he received essentially nominal PP time.

    I don’t see him as a big PP option going forward – he may get more time on the PP but offensive zone instincts are not his forte (in fact, one of the weakest points of his game).

    I also don’t see his ES production increasing too much – maybe a bit as he learns to transition via pass a bit more, however, as long as he’s reliant on transitioning by skating (and I think he will always default to that), I don’t see a huge spike.

    I see 30-35 points has his max type production.

    I hope I’m wrong.

    He is a wonderful player and one of my favs.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    Your anti-Malone campaign is equal parts bewildering and hilarious

    How is it bewildering?

    He is a 29 year old career AHLer (I acknowledge his 180 NHL games). He is not a prospect and will not “get better”. If anything, he’ll start regressing over the next few years.

    I watched him in his 7 games as an Oilers and he is not an NHL player. I understand his possession metrics were nice, however, in such a small sample size, they mean nothing to me.

    I watched him play and the most meaningful thing he did was take 3 bad minor penalties.

    I fully expect him to play NHL games this year however, in my opinion, the only benefit of that is that it will allow Marody more development time and adjustment to the pro game.

    His $675K cap hit and our lack of depth will get him NHL games and our lineup will be worse with him in it.

  104. trencan says:

    Munny:
    trencan,

    Lol, hence “two of the”.

    And as Professor Q notes above, many are signed at the club level much earlier than hockey.

    Yes, my bad, sorry.

    Signing too young players for big money is sometimes very risky, Martin Odegaard in Real Madrid is good example. But many teams have the same business case – good scouting, buy low, develope in youth academy, sell high to club with higher reputation… Its all about money and there is a lot of money in soccer…

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock: Do you trade Lucic and 2019 1st for Patches?

    No, I would not be in favor of that.

    We need to accumulate more higher end prospects – that 1st rounder next year remains near and dear.

    Lets not forget, if Max P. is “worth” the price paid because he has a bounce-back season, he’s going to want $8M (give or take) on the next contract.

    We cannot afford him going forward (even with Lucic gone) and i have zero interest in committing cap with term to aging veterans.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Rattle is skilled,knows this is his last stop garage, and has matured enough to the point where he can produce with other skilled players, somebody has to break out for this team succeed this fall, my money is on him.

    Can he produce with “other skilled players” or with “Connor McDavid”?

    We don’t know the answer to that.

    At $800K, the contract is no risk and fine and will be a value contract if he can continue to produce with 97 but I’m not positive he would be able to produce anywhere else.

    I’m also not positive that he wouldn’t be able to.

    I would like to see him with Drai at some point (although I expect Jesse to take a stranglehold on the 2RW spot).

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Totally agree, wonder if he would like to tell us how he really feels.

    Just as much as people like to tell me how they feel about the Hall trade and the Reinhart trade, etc.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Silver Streak:
    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    ” Cameron Hebig had a huge season in Regina” .

    “I love me some Cooper Marody – what a pleasant surprise it was to see him have a broad skillset when watching some Michigan games”.

    “I’ve only really seen highlights and his games last year at rookie camp but I remember being impressed by his skating and puck moving ability in Penticton – I didn’t expect that”.

    O.P.Methinks you should cut back a little on the caffeine, and the inflated opinion of your personal opinions…..Hebig is a Saskatoon boy, played 238 games as a Blade…only 26 as a Pat.

    How is my posting my thoughts on the prospects an “inflated opinion of my opinion” – its simply my opinion on them – I never said it was right or the only opinion.

    I also don’t have any caffeine after 2:55am unless I do a second workout and that is not until closer to noon…..

  109. Side says:

    Yegfoundation:
    Wilde,

    Yesterday it was GODOT who was the brunt of similar attaches and today OP. This behaviour is making me uncomfortable and I won’t continue to visit this site if it continues.

    Calling out someone making trolling comments =/= personal attacks.

    I don’t know godot personally, I have nothing against godot personally, he makes a lot of good comments but he also makes some comments which are presented as facts with zero evidence behind them, and he can move the goal posts at times.

    If this kind of online banter makes you uncomfortable, I recommend you keep reading LT’s articles and ignore the comments.

    Or just visit the site using Chrome and don’t login! That should hide the comments.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    The Oilers have definitely acquired a history when it comes to fast tracking their draft picks, but a note of encouragement with Bouchard is how many scouts are saying that he’s one of the few prospects who looks most pro ready and capable of making the jump now.

    As you say, that’s not saying it’s the right call, but at least there’s a little more evidence this time around to support it.

    Bear vs. Bouchard. Should be one of the more interesting battles in training camp, alongside Yama vs. Puli. Remember the bad old days when there was no competition at training camp? It was literally Sam Gagner vs. JF Jacques!

    And, oh yeah, Go England!!!

    Bear vs. Bouchard is similar to Puljijarvi vs. Yamamoto last year.

    One can be re-assigned and brought back (Bear) and the other cannot be brought back once re-assigned (Bouchard).

    I would like to think its Yamamoto vs. Rattie for the 1RW spot with Jesse firmly earning the 2RW spot beside Leon.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    Rattie doesn’t play well enough defensively to be anything more than an injury replacement in the top six.

    He is suited to being the 13the forward,

    Rieder is the best candidate for RW on McDavid’s line until Puljujarvi or Yamamoto are ready.

    Strome has shown to be the best option on 1RW based on the numbers this community values.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    jeetz:
    It would be nice to see the Oilers trade Lucic to a US team for very little back. Try not to hold much salary. Something like

    Lucic + Jones for a 2nd or 3rd round pick

    Use the cap space to trade for and sign Pacioretty

    Pacioretty For Yamamoto (I’m not a believer in his hype but many are)

    I would be all for that Lucic/Jones trade – that’s a no-brainer.

    I would not be against a Max P. acquisition as I simply do not want to sign him for big money and big term – we are going to get rid of Lucic to make room for Max P.

    I would definitely not trade our top offensive prospect in order to acquire this player.

    I would much rather have Yamamoto provide production in the top 6 during the term of his ELC for a fraction on the cap of Max P.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    smellyglove:
    Is Aberg not a candidate for McDavid RW?

    He may be – he was 1.99 P/60 after being acquired.

    He seems like a faster, more skilled Caggulia to me.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    cowboy bill: Bear vs. Bouchard is similar to Puljijarvi vs. Yamamoto last year.
    One can be re-assigned and brought back (Bear) and the other cannot be brought back once re-assigned (Bouchard).
    I would like to think its Yamamoto vs. Rattie for the 1RW spot with Jesse firmly earning the 2RW spot beside Leon.

    I don’t see Bear as being quite ready for the NHL (based on his game last year). Also, in my opinion:

    Bear vs. Bouchard is similar to Puljijarvi vs. Yamamoto last year.

    One can be re-assigned and brought back (Bear) and the other cannot be brought back once re-assigned (Bouchard).

    I would like to think its Yamamoto vs. Rattie for the 1RW spot with Jesse firmly earning the 2RW spot beside Leon.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t think scoring goals is the biggest issue for this team. It’s preventing them. That’s on the coach and the goalie.

    Its on the coach and the goalie but its also on much more than that. Not only the d-men, of course, but the forwards as well – our top 2 centers (who will play 40 plus ES minutes per night) both need to improve markedly in their 200 foot games – given their ages, one would expect nice year over year progression in that regard.

  116. theDjdj says:

    The thing with Patches is he’s going to want an inflated salary to repair what he gave up by signing a bargain RFA contract. I don’t want to trade for him and then have to over pay in negotiations to keep him. We’ve already afforded that luxury to Lucic.

    The only way a trade works is if we receive some advantage in the trade itself. Lucic and 2019 first for Pacioretty. Helps even out the money and gets Lucic’s salary of the books.

  117. CrazyCoach says:

    Bag of Pucks: Certainly nothing definitive. It’s just a positive arrow.

    I definitely swim against the tide on this stuff on this board. I don’t buy into consensus rankings. See them as largely groupthink and I’m hugely of the opinion that the Oilers deferring to an alleged BPA strategy seriously impeded Tank/Rebuild 1.0 when simply drafting for need (e.g. Seguin, Larsson, Galchenyuk) likely put them far ahead of the W bonanza they chased with Hall, RNH (currently at LW) and Yakupov (currently buying blue jeans on the black market).

    Gotcha,

    Hopefully this team looks towards a development model that sends the big team players that can work under any coach. Yak flourished under Krueger and was buried under Eakins.

    Many have mentioned soccer trending younger, which is true, but they have the luxury of not having a draft, and the teams in the world cup seeing success are considered “young” with an average age of 23. There is a considerable difference between 18-23 in various aspects that go far beyond physical and cognitive development.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard S.S.:
    When a currently drafted player gets sent down/assigned to a MJ team for the Season it’s generally his third year.Evan Bouchard finished his third year before being drafted, so is he one year better than his fellow draftees?I think he’s very close or better with most.I think sending him down for another challengeless fourth MJ year is detrimental to his development – he’ll learn little.

    I expect Evan Bouchard to make the Roster and get his nine games.He’s very close.This is the best way to see what he still needs to do.If he’s down after his nine, it’s to his MJ team. It’s playing the 10th game and more that starts his contract (ELC).If he’s sent down then, does he go to Bakersfield?

    No, he cannot play in the AHL at all this season (well, not until after his junior team’s season is over).

    It he plays 10 games, it burns the first year of his ELC even after he gets returned to junior.

    If he is on the NHL roster for 40 games, it burns a year of service towards UFA status.

    The 40 games is actually the much more important threshold and many (including myself) think there is a benefit to burning the first year of the ELC (in certain circumstances – probably not this one).

  119. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Absolutely do that trade. We get rid of Lucic. We give up our first for Patches but we could easily flip him at the deadline for at least a first. Also gives us more cap wiggle room this year and the future

  120. Jethro Tull says:

    Peeps, the absolute best deal would be Looch for Patches straight, and then walking away from Patches when he is UFA.

    Though I don’t know if I trust Chia with 6 large burning a hole in his sky rocket.

    https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/2019/defenseman/ufa/

    Not that MTL do that deal, but, you know…

  121. godot10 says:

    It’s the Jack Hughes draft next year,, and 2019 is thought of as deep at this point.

    I would not trade the top two picks in the draft, but if the first is traded, it better be damn well lottery protected.

    Just think what Jack Hughes and Milan Lucic could be auctioned off for.

  122. McSorley33 says:

    Oiler fans discussing trading our 1st round pick…….seen this comment quite a few times in the last few years….including 2015.

    I humbly suggest we keep our 1st round pick until we have made the playoffs for 3 years running.
    ( yes, of course, with the usual caveats – unless it is a great deal, lottery protected etc,etc)

  123. Profit says:

    I wouldn’t trade any 1st round pick unless it was lottery protected. Way too much risk, even if it does reduce the value of the asset.

  124. pts2pndr says:

    zatch:
    I think if you’re Edmonton, this has gotta be the year you look at moving the 1st rounder for upgrades.

    By everything I have watched, over many years, moving first rounders does not end well for the team giving up the first rounder particularily if the draft choice is in the top half of the first round!

  125. Jethro Tull says:

    Has there ever been a lottery protected pick traded in the NHL?

    I’m asking, because it’s been bandied about, and I can’t remember one ever happening. So maybe there’s something in the NHL business rules, or it’s just a road people don’t want to go down.

    Of course lottery protection would nix as many deals as it saved….

  126. John Chambers says:

    Handicapping the ’18-’19 season I see a Pacific Division having a hard time keeping up with a powerful Central:

    My picks:

    Central –
    1) Dallas (I’m assuming they get Karlsson for Heiskanen + a 1st)
    2) Winnipeg
    3) Nashville
    4) St Louis
    5) Colorado

    Pacific –
    1) San Jose
    2) LA
    3) Calgary (shoot me)

    4) Edmonton or Vegas, missing the cut line to the Flames and Avs

    The Oilers don’t have enough scoring. Unbelievable.

  127. Jethro Tull says:

    John Chambers: The Oilers don’t have enough scoring. Unbelievable.

    Yes, that’s why Looch or prospects for Patches would be such a terrible idea.

    *But maybe NEXT year will be his breakout year, then we’d look REALLY stupid for trading him.*

  128. jake70 says:

    Listening to McCown talking with Zeisberger on PTS. Discussing rumours Oilers are looking at both E Karlsson and Pacioretty. Wrt signing an extension – Zeisberger says Pacioretty will only sign extension with Florida and Karlsson only with Tampa. Montreal and Ottawa – which will come out worse when all is said and done with these 2 players?

  129. Doug McLachlan says:

    Looch at a $4.5M cash hit and a $6.0 cap hit is more valuable in the pressbox eating popcorn than he is being packaged with a value asset just to ship out a bad contract. Certainly at this point.

    We all understood that he was not going to be worth $6.0M over 7 when the deal was signed but I also think we were not wrong to expect the drop-off/fall-off to be a year or two down the line.

    I think he’s mis-cast as a top-six winger but might actually do ok against the soft parade. Not sure if the advanced stats back up that statement but I would be interested to see what he did against non-elite competition in 2016-17.

    I don’t know what happened last year around Christmas but something clearly did and I don’t think it was all related to a declining skill-set. If I am correct on that he will have a bounce back and perhaps up his value for a trade next off-season (if he really does want to move).

    Lucic is a proud guy and I would expect a rebound from the floor he hit this past season. A $6M a year player, no, but much improved.

  130. jm363561 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I also don’t have any caffeine after 2:55am unless I do a second workout and that is not until closer to noon…..

    OP, good morning from Manila. Readers might be forgiven for thinking you drink a fair amount of coffee. I just logged on and (approximately) 13 of 19 posts are from yourself. Like many on the blog I enjoy your thoughts but you can sometimes have too much of a good thing.

  131. commonfan29 says:

    Jethro Tull: Has there ever been a lottery protected pick traded in the NHL?

    Yes. Most recently, the first rounder that the Jets sent to St. Louis for Stastny at the deadline was lottery protected for some reason.

  132. theDjdj says:

    jake70:
    Listening to McCown talking with Zeisberger on PTS. Discussing rumours Oilers are looking at both E Karlsson and Pacioretty.Wrtsigning an extension – Zeisberger says Pacioretty will only sign extension with Florida and Karlsson only with Tampa. Montreal and Ottawa – which will come out worse when all is said and done with these 2 players?

    This is startling reminiscent of the NBA UFA scenario with Leonard. I suppose that’s a UFA’s prerogative to play where they prefer. Thank god the NHL has a hard salary cap though.

  133. Doug McLachlan says:

    jake70:
    Listening to McCown talking with Zeisberger on PTS. Discussing rumours Oilers are looking at both E Karlsson and Pacioretty.Wrtsigning an extension – Zeisberger says Pacioretty will only sign extension with Florida and Karlsson only with Tampa. Montreal and Ottawa – which will come out worse when all is said and done with these 2 players?

    Whaaa??

    Fascinating that we would be interested in either Karlsson or Pacioretty but how and for what are questions I might ask.

    Karlsson has a Cap hit of $6.5M for this year and would need to keep the Oilers off his 10 team no-trade list.

    Pacioretty has a Cap hit of $4.5M for this year and has no restrictions on his movement.

    If the player going out is Lucic (and for cap reasons he would make the most sense), he would obviously have to consent and if the reason for his (supposed) trade request was the scrutiny of the Edmonton media, I doubt he would find much relief in either Montreal or Ottawa.

  134. Georges says:

    Ryan: He’s mentioned flushing GoDaddy’s cache on the server site previously, but the problems are redolent of an issue with a plugin like W3Totalcache, wordpress plugin.

    The plugin has an option to not use the cache for logged in users which is why seemingly the problem resolves when we log in. There’s also an option to flush the cache when you post a new article. This would solve the issue of the new posts not showing up for those not logged in. However, flushing the cache when you post a new article causes a spike in server load which can crash a high volume site like this.The comments still won’t update with this plugin for non logged in users, so readers will have to log in to view them.

    Why wouldn’t comments update? Why wouldn’t the cache get rebuilt by the plugin after relevant DB updates/inserts/deletes? Why would you have to manually flush the cache? Can you only configure caching in this plugin through a time to live? Is this why non-logged in users are essentially getting one update of the site per day?

    Lots of questions. Sorry. It sounds like this creates two completely different experiences of LT’s content: a non-cached version for logged in users that’s like it was before and a cached version for non logged-in users that’s like static snapshots that update once a day. Maybe that’s what LT wants…

  135. theDjdj says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Looch at a $4.5M cash hit and a $6.0 cap hit is more valuable in the pressbox eating popcorn than he is being packaged with a value asset just to ship out a bad contract.Certainly at this point.

    We all understood that he was not going to be worth $6.0M over 7 when the deal was signed but I also think we were not wrong to expect the drop-off/fall-off to be a year or two down the line.

    I think he’s mis-cast as a top-six winger but might actually do ok against the soft parade.Not sure if the advanced stats back up that statement but I would be interested to see what he did against non-elite competition in 2016-17.

    I don’t know what happened last year around Christmas but something clearly did and I don’t think it was all related to a declining skill-set.If I am correct on that he will have a bounce back and perhaps up his value for a trade next off-season (if he really does want to move).

    Proud gu

    I think I’m one of the only Oilers fans who remain somewhat optimistic about Lucic going into next season. I changed my mind when Dellows shared that the majority of Lucics scoring chances and points come off the rush (versus off the cycle). He plays the right game. He got the looks. Hr just didn’t finish. I don’t think he’s going to score 60 again but I think there’s a 50odd point player still in there.

    Performance in sport is just as impacted by mentality as any other human endeavour. I think the guy got in a slump and his his headspace followed.

    I like him on Drais line. I’ll take the bet he can finish Drais dishes. I envision Lucic digging out the puck off the wall on the defensive blue line, chipping it to a streaming Drai, Drai enters the zone dragging the two defenseman with him, pulls up and dishes the tailing Lucic.

  136. Doug McLachlan says:

    theDjdj,

    I would be happy with this. Also think he might do surprisingly well with Strome on the third line.

    RNH – McDavid – Rattie
    Khaira – Drai – Rieder
    Lucic – Strome – Puljujarvi
    Aberg – Brodziak – Kassian
    Caggulia

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Sekera – Benning
    Nurse – Russell
    Gravel

  137. Bag of Pucks says:

    Georges: Why wouldn’t comments update? Why wouldn’t the cache get rebuilt by the plugin after relevant DB updates/inserts/deletes? Why would you have to manually flush the cache? Can you only configure caching in this plugin through a time to live? Is this why non-logged in users are essentially getting one update of the site per day?

    Lots of questions. Sorry. It sounds like this creates two completely different experiences of LT’s content: a non-cached version for logged in users that’s like it was before and a cached version for non logged-in users that’s like static snapshots that update once a day. Maybe that’s what LT wants…

    Hosting costs for high traffic sites with large page counts are a bear. I can’t blame LT if he needs to modify the site experience for less engaged traffic to mitigate costs.

  138. Richard S.S. says:

    In the McDavid Draft Year there was Connor McDavid, then there was Jack Eichel.
    There were three players normally seen at the top of the Draft Rankings. There followed a group of 15-18 who were considered sure top ten. There followed a group of 35-50 who were considered 1st round talent, and slowly resumed to normal.

    The 2019 Draft will not be quite as good at the very top end, but at least Eichel good for the rest of it – definitely yes. There are people I trust who are saying the WHL could have 5-7 top-ten in the next Draft.

    Ideally, I keep the Picks in the first three rounds. Especially considering their 3rd rounder from New York Islanders could be low third round. If at all possible, acquire more. I would use the 3rd rounder from NashvIlle in trade with higher picks for any needs.

  139. Munny says:

    Meh. Y’all are doing it wrong. The obvious thing to do with Looch is to play him on his off-wing… on McDavid’s right side!

    Hmmm…

    For some reason Maiden’s Run to the Hills just started playing on my box.

    😉

  140. Munny says:

    Won’t it be weird if Karlsson ends up in Tampa with Hoffman in Miami.

    I mean that’s what I call “some distance”.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    What do people consider “lottery protected”?

    All non-playoff teams are in the 3 lotteries and can move up to 1st three spots.

  142. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    Via Sean Tierney Games Against Replacement/60 scores for each team’s top 4D, EDM is 16th/31.

    The top-six forward group is 20th/31.

    That metric also doesn’t rate Sekera at all due to his performance last year.

    I have EDM with a top 10 Dcorps this year.

    *prays for health*

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Has there ever been a lottery protected pick traded in the NHL?

    I’m asking, because it’s been bandied about, and I can’t remember one ever happening.So maybe there’s something in the NHL business rules, or it’s just a road people don’t want to go down.

    Of course lottery protection would nix as many deals as it saved….

    Sens’ pick in the Duchene trade.

  144. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    I flushed cache at 1:05 pm Edmonton time. Whew. That’s a relief.

    Run out of prunes?

  145. GMB3 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    In the McDavid Draft Year there was Connor McDavid, then there was Jack Eichel.
    There were three players normally seen at the top of the Draft Rankings.There followed a group of 15-18 who were considered sure top ten.There followed a group of 35-50 who were considered 1st round talent, and slowly resumed to normal.

    In the 2019 Draft, will not be quite as good at the very top end, but at least Eichel good for the rest of it- yes. There are people I trust who are saying the WHL could have 5-7 top-ten in the next Draft.

    Ideally, I keep the Picks in the first three rounds.Especially considering their 3rd rounder from New York Islanders could be low third round.If at all possible, acquire more.I would use the 3rd rounder from NashvIlle in trade with higher picks for any needs.

    Lol 7 WHL guys in the top ten picks? That is absurd.

  146. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That metric also doesn’t rate Sekera at all due to his performance last year.

    I have EDM with a top 10 Dcorps this year.

    *prays for health*

    Top 10? Really? That surprises me. I hope you are right though

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    theDjdj,

    I would be happy with this.Also think he might do surprisingly well with Strome on the third line.

    RNH – McDavid – Rattie
    Khaira – Drai – Rieder
    Lucic – Strome – Puljujarvi
    Aberg – Brodziak – Kassian
    Caggulia

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Sekera – Benning
    Nurse – Russell
    Gravel

    That’s my lineup (except I switch Puljijarvi and Rieder as well as Nurse and Sekera).

  148. Georges says:

    theDjdj: I think I’m one of the only Oilers fans who remain somewhat optimistic about Lucic going into next season. I changed my mind when Dellows shared that the majority of Lucics scoring chances and points come off the rush (versus off the cycle). He plays the right game. He got the looks. Hr just didn’t finish. I don’t think he’s going to score 60 again but I think there’s a 50odd point player still in there.

    Performance in sport is just as impacted by mentality as any other human endeavour. I think the guy got in a slump and his his headspace followed.

    I like him on Drais line. I’ll take the bet he can finish Drais dishes. I envision Lucic digging out the puck off the wall on the defensive blue line, chipping it to a streaming Drai, Drai enters the zone dragging the two defenseman with him, pulls up and dishes the tailing Lucic.

    Lucic up to Dec. 23 last season scored 26 points in 36 games, a better than 0.7 pts/game pace, which was ahead of his career rate. His 5v5 Pts/60 was first line level.

    Then Christmas came and he turned into Mr. Not Worth a 7th Round Pick. The holidays weren’t kind.

    I think it’s a little more complicated than his detractors make it out to be. I can’t speculate about his personal situation but, on the ice, pre-Christmas Lucic and post-Christmas Lucic were two different players.

  149. Bank Shot says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    What do people consider “lottery protected”?

    All non-playoff teams are in the 3 lotteries and can move up to 1st three spots.

    You would think a pick would be protected against all three of those scenarios.

    Top three picks have tremendous value.

  150. Richard S.S. says:

    Trading a player means you are doing one of three things:
    1) Gaining significant Cap Space, while the return might not be exciting.
    2) Upgrading at the position, which could eat up more Cap Space of not.
    3) Fill a more significant hole elsewhere, which could also eat up Cap Space or not.
    It should be noted that a valued asset is usually traded. Milan Lucic is not that this year but with a good year next year, could be a valued asset.

  151. Munny says:

    GMB3: Lol 7 WHL guys in the top ten picks? That is absurd.

    That’s not really what he’s saying. He’s saying there’s possibly 5-7 WHL draft eligibles who could be considered top 10 level in talent next draft.

  152. Munny says:

    Georges: I think it’s a little more complicated than his detractors make it out to be. I can’t speculate about his personal situation but, on the ice, pre-Christmas Lucic and post-Christmas Lucic were two different players.

    We were discussing this the other day as it is obvious the reasons for the precipitous drop-off cannot be age related.

  153. Ryan says:

    Georges: Why wouldn’t comments update? Why wouldn’t the cache get rebuilt by the plugin after relevant DB updates/inserts/deletes? Why would you have to manually flush the cache? Can you only configure caching in this plugin through a time to live? Is this why non-logged in users are essentially getting one update of the site per day?

    Lots of questions. Sorry. It sounds like this creates two completely different experiences of LT’s content: a non-cached version for logged in users that’s like it was before and a cached version for non logged-in users that’s like static snapshots that update once a day. Maybe that’s what LT wants…

    I am only speculating since I don’t have admin access to Lowetide’s site.I have never used GoDaddy for anything either. From what it looks like they have managed hosting which doesn’t allow caching plugin sinvlce they manage that for you and regular hosting that does allow for plugins like w3total cache.

    If it’s an issue with its GoDaddy’s server cache or a plugin, the premise is similar. Why cache the site at all anyway since it causes all these problems? Well it lowers server load and speeds up the website. It also prevents the site from crashing due to spikes in server load. Lastly, it saves lots of money on the hosting plan that a person needs to host their website. As well, you can offload some of the load to content delivery networks like cloudfare or Mad CDN that used to have some free packages.

    Having all these buggers logged in a commenting all day is great for the community but a real bitch for server load.

    As for why it’s not updating, is that depends on the particular type of caching. Plugins have setttings, so you can control that. If he has a caching plugin, Allan would just need to change the settings. If it’s Godaddy’s cache, I have no clue. Every time you flush the cache, server load spikes and the cache has to rebuild.

    I have mentioned several times here in the past that one option to fix the comment cache issue and lower server load would be to install something like the disqus comment system (I haven’t used it in five years). At any rate these comment systems have the comments hosted and delivered from the disqus server which would take the burden off Godaddy.

    Typing on my phone is driving me nuts, so I’ll cueck back in later.

  154. Richard S.S. says:

    GMB3,

    Reading correctly or beating your own drum?
    …could have… must mean something different to each of us.

    Some Draft barely have 5 players who could be considered in the top-ten (top-10 talent and ability). Other Draft could have as many as 15 players with that kind of talent.

  155. RonnieB says:

    Richard S.S.:
    In the McDavid Draft Year there was Connor McDavid, then there was Jack Eichel.
    There were three players normally seen at the top of the Draft Rankings.There followed a group of 15-18 who were considered sure top ten.There followed a group of 35-50 who were considered 1st round talent, and slowly resumed to normal.

    The 2019 Draft will not be quite as good at the very top end, but at least Eichel good for the rest of it – definitely yes. There are people I trust who are saying the WHL could have 5-7 top-ten in the next Draft.

    Ideally, I keep the Picks in the first three rounds.Especially considering their 3rd rounder from New York Islanders could be low third round.If at all possible, acquire more.I would use the 3rd rounder from NashvIlle in trade with higher picks for any needs.

    Oilers didn’t get Nashville’s 3rd. They got Aberg from Nashville in the 3-way Letestu trade with Columbus, and a 3rd from NJ for Maroon. They used NJ 3rd to acquire Marody from Philly. They still have the Islanders 3rd from the Davidson trade.

  156. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Has there ever been a lottery protected pick traded in the NHL?

    I’m asking, because it’s been bandied about, and I can’t remember one ever happening.So maybe there’s something in the NHL business rules, or it’s just a road people don’t want to go down.

    Of course lottery protection would nix as many deals as it saved….

    SJS lottery protected the pick to BUF for Kane.

    If SJS misses the playoffs they get the option of keeping the 2019 pick and giving the 2020 pick which is not protected.

    I am not sure if SJS has to decide whether or not to keep the pick before or after the lottery. You’d think that they’d have to decide before but am not sure.

  157. LMHF#1 says:

    theDjdj: This is startling reminiscent of the NBA UFA scenario with Leonard. I suppose that’s a UFA’s prerogative to play where they prefer. Thank god the NHL has a hard salary cap though.

    The Oilers are specifically disadvantaged due to the hard cap. They have high revenues and a wealthy owner.

  158. RonnieB says:

    Georges: Lucic up to Dec. 23 last season scored 26 points in 36 games, a better than 0.7 pts/game pace, which was ahead of his career rate. His 5v5 Pts/60 was first line level.

    Then Christmas came and he turned into Mr. Not Worth a 7th Round Pick. The holidays weren’t kind.

    I think it’s a little more complicated than his detractors make it out to be. I can’t speculate about his personal situation but, on the ice, pre-Christmas Lucic and post-Christmas Lucic were two different players.

      (

    Overdose of tryptophan in the Christmas turkey ?

  159. theDjdj says:

    Georges: Lucic up to Dec. 23 last season scored 26 points in 36 games, a better than 0.7 pts/game pace, which was ahead of his career rate. His 5v5 Pts/60 was first line level.

    Then Christmas came and he turned into Mr. Not Worth a 7th Round Pick. The holidays weren’t kind.

    I think it’s a little more complicated than his detractors make it out to be. I can’t speculate about his personal situation but, on the ice, pre-Christmas Lucic and post-Christmas Lucic were two different players.

    Maybe this is what the supposed “don’t want to play in Canadian market” rumours came from. Lord knows how trying it would be to address your performance with that amount of pressure. Add in the bleakness of winter and it’s a recipe for a bad mental place.

    I think Lucic too much of a competitor to go meekly into the night. My wager is on improvement.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    Georges: Lucic up to Dec. 23 last season scored 26 points in 36 games, a better than 0.7 pts/game pace, which was ahead of his career rate. His 5v5 Pts/60 was first line level.

    He had 18 points in those 36 games:

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=n&team=EDM&pos=F&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=gpdate&fd=2017-10-04&td=2017-12-23&tgp=82&lines=single

  161. theDjdj says:

    LMHF#1: The Oilers are specifically disadvantaged due to the hard cap. They have high revenues and a wealthy owner.

    I think it more entertaining and generally more rewarding to win it at all when the field is leveled. Buying your way to a cup is like beating a game with cheat codes on.

  162. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Nope. He had 26.

  163. VOR says:

    Munny:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Nope. He had 26.

    He had 18 points 5v5 and 26 total points.

  164. HT Joe says:

    theDjdj: I think it more entertaining and generally more rewarding to win it at all when the field is leveled. Buying your way to a cup is like beating a game with cheat codes on.

    Just my 2 cents, but as a smaller city, further north, with much more travel, and with higher taxes (vs. cities in other jurisdictions), Edmonton has plenty of disadvantages that are preventing a “level field”.

    I would much rather have Katz to be in a position to buy his way to having a better team, as opposed to having a series of issues out of the Oiler’s control contributing to already questionably poor managerial / coaching choices.

  165. theDjdj says:

    HT Joe: Just my 2 cents, but as a smaller city, further north, with much more travel, and with higher taxes (vs. cities in other jurisdictions), Edmonton has plenty of disadvantages that are preventing a “level field”.

    I would much rather have Katz to be in a position to buy his way to having a better team, as opposed to having a series of issues out of the Oiler’s control contributing to already questionably poor managerial / coaching choices.

    I’m hopeful the travel will lighten once we have the extra team in Western NA. Your points are good ones and I hadn’t considered them.

  166. HT Joe says:

    theDjdj: I’m hopeful the travel will lighten once we have the extra team in Western NA. Your points are good ones and I hadn’t considered them.

    I hadn’t considered the possibility of shortened travel when Seattle gets a team… good point. (Best of all, I LOVE Seattle as a place to visit… that could be a wonderful market to visit to see a game). 😀

  167. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny: We were discussing this the other day as it is obvious the reasons for the precipitous drop-off cannot be age related.

    Back on May 31st I discussed Lucic’s splits on how they were ridiculous:

    Here: https://lowetide.ca/2018/05/31/a-time-to-reap-a-time-to-sow/#comment-743661

    There’s lots of discussion and more data after the post I linked to as well.

    Its funny though……..

    Freideman puts the onus on “the market being tough on Lucic”, but Lucic had a good first half of the season.

    He fell off the edge looooooooooooooong before the fanbase started bitching about him.

    Whatever happened to Lucic, I don’t think “the pressure of the market” has much if anything to do with it.

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ooops, my mistake – I apologize.

  169. Munny says:

    VOR: He had 18 points 5v5 and 26 total points.

    Lol, oh I know. It was an easy mistake for OP to make because of the direct reference to EV scoring rates in the next sentence. He’s a real trooper though, as you can see from his post above.

  170. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Freideman puts the onus on “the market being tough on Lucic”, but Lucic had a good first half of the season.

    It does seem bizarre, but maybe Friedman was getting/giving part of the story? For eg–and I’m not saying this is the case–maybe his kids were getting a hard time at school? Maybe it’s not being able to get groceries without drawing attention. Dunno. Friedman is being kind of vague.

  171. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny: It does seem bizarre, but maybe Friedman was getting/giving part of the story?For eg–and I’m not saying this is the case–maybe his kids were getting a hard time at school?Maybe it’s not being able to get groceries without drawing attention. Dunno. Friedman is being kind of vague.

    I think Freidman repeated almost exactly what he was told.

    I don’t think he was told the truth though.

  172. jtblack says:

    Jethro. One example that lead to teams protecting any 1st Rounder they gave up in a trade is the Toronto – Boston deal from about 8 years ago. Kessell went to Toronto for a 1st round pick and some other stuff.

    Toronto ended up having an awful year and Boston got the #2 hole – Tyler Seguin. Since then, GM’s started protecting the pick. Protecting the pick from their own incompetence and unforseen events.

    Dorion kicked the can down the road this year, but I actually think Ott will finish bottom 3 in the League nxt yr. Trade was a HUGE win for Sakic and be even better if they snag a Top 5 pick nxt yr.

  173. jtblack says:

    GMB3: Lol 7 WHL guys in the top ten picks? That is absurd.

    Its a possibility. Krebs Dach Cozens Byram Robertson Williams Toporoski Foote. Reality is 7 would be a tough feat. 2012 had 5 WHL players in the Top 10.

    Supposed to be a Great draft overall.

  174. Ryan says:

    Ryan,

    Okay, I would say thumbs down to down to the disqus comment system. It does still do some things like reduce server load, but it has developed a bad reputation for some other features like tracking user data, injecting affiliate links, adding sponsored comments and ads.

    Sorry for this suggestions guys. Discourse sounds intriguing, but complicated to implement.

  175. Melvis says:

    Munny: It does seem bizarre, but maybe Friedman was getting/giving part of the story?For eg–and I’m not saying this is the case–maybe his kids were getting a hard time at school?Maybe it’s not being able to get groceries without drawing attention. Dunno. Friedman is being kind of vague.

    fwiw:

    -One percenters can avail themselves of services unavailable to the vast majority. If my kids were having problems at school, I’d hire overqualified tutors in the arts and sciences for home schooling

    -My PA would do my shopping.

    -My security would politely ward off over zealous fans.

    -My spouse, partner, kids , and their tutor would hook up with me in desirable cities on extended road trips.

    However,sSignificant psychological injury might have me falling off a cliff over a holiday season. Here’s the example, an example only. I don’t want to start up any crap with the suggestion.

    Let’s say I found out my wife was having an affair with a friend or acquaintance – or anybody, for that matter. And I decided the best course of action was putting a face on it, keeping my mouth shut and pretending ignorance while playing out the season. This results in a considerable amount of distracted, haphazard play. And a considerable amount of anger display smashing my sticks over inanimate objects.

    That’s one possible scenario. Another might have me putting out too many personal fires simultaneously. A bent accountant, and significant investment losses piled on the death of a family member coupled with other things having to do with the team.

    Things you can’t voice or even hint at in public. Hell, for a proud man – even in private.

    I’m just guessing, of course. I can only hope the problem gets sorted by October.

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    Jethro. One example that lead to teams protecting any 1st Rounder they gave up in a trade is the Toronto – Boston deal from about 8 years ago. Kessell went to Toronto for a 1st round pick and some other stuff.

    Toronto ended up having an awful year and Boston got the #2 hole – Tyler Seguin. Since then,GM’s

    As an aside, the “other stuff” included Toronto’s first round pick in 2011 which Boston used to select Dougie Hamilton.

  177. defmn says:

    Jethro Tull: Sorry, not the point i was reaching for!What I meant was, Chia would make the decision for what he thought were the right reasons, but if he were fired, he wouldn’t lose sleep over it.

    I didn’t mean to infer that Chia would make a reckless trade, not caring about his subsequent reputation.I mean, he’s demonstrated that enough, non?

    Sorry, then. I misunderstood.

  178. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: Just as much as people like to tell me how they feel about the Hall trade and the Reinhart trade, etc.

    I always enjoy your posts! I was however surprised at your negativity on a player! It was just so not you!

  179. northerndancer says:

    Second post this decade. Very frequent reader.

    LT, a tip of this prairie boy’s hat to you for putting us on the Fast Train today. “about a man who left from nowhere to be someone….” A carload of kids from Biggar heading up to North Battleford to hear the legendary April Wine in the high school gym. Maybe you were that kid who kept getting in my way.

    I can’t imagine the train ride it must be for these young hockey bucks as they go from the security of god status in Junior to bottom rung of the, maybe, NHL. It doesn’t matter how big the coin is, they are still kids.

    LT, I love that you will share your passions your past and your prognostications with such a diverse crowd of fans. With such fine writing. I think that there must be a perverse side of me that likes watching the social carnage that is a part of both hockey and an open comment blog? I know that both keep me entertained on the long, painful nights when the mistakes outweigh the scoring chances and the low West Kootenay cloud that passes for winter here dampens my spirits.

    Someday we must share a story of a broken bus, the Maidstone bowling alley? and a pathetic hockey game between two fine teams on melting springtime ice in the Maidstone arena.

    Maybe you were there as well.

    I lift a smallish glass of my homemade prosecco to all you contributors who are willing to share your passions in public and who read this far in my self-indulgent contribution.

    And now back to our summer programming.

    Go oilers.

  180. slopitch says:

    Keep the 2019 picks. Let Bouchard play in the OHL. Sign Shore. Sign Nurse to 8×4.65. Move Lucic if an ok trade comes up (no 2019 1st). The Winnipeg Jets, Nashville Preds and LT have it figured out. Draft and develop. Forcing a trade will likely mean losing a trade. We’ve done enough of that in this town.

    LT your tone recently suggests mgmt is gone after this year regardless. If they stand pat and the 2018 draft is looking great is that enough for you? Or do they need to make playoffs to earn another year? I’m of the opinion they need to do enough “tinkering around the edges” to make the team a playoff team (they have McDavid ffs) to earn it. Just want to know your thoughts. The jets re-signed their staff at an odd time (years of meh) but the team rewarded the decision. There is some value in continuity. Understood there are a lot of what ifs involved.

  181. BONE207 says:

    Wilde:
    Your anti-Malone campaign is equal parts bewildering and hilarious

    I’ve got toes & fingers crossed that Malone scores 10 in preseason & starts on Connor’s right wing…cause I like smell of crow in the morning…

  182. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide:
    I flushed cache at 1:05 pm Edmonton time. Whew. That’s a relief.

    Unless you were near the North Saskatchewan at that time…Oh fishy, fishy…

  183. northerndancer says:

    With due respect to our host, I think Bouchard may make it difficult for the Oilers to return him to junior. I watched video of him and he reminds me of watching Brent Seabrook in his last year at Lethbridge. Seabrook would play over half the game, skated with economy and moving the puck well. He simply dominated the ice at both ends. Bouchard has the same economical style, conserving energy, probably determined by being the only/best option to put on the ice and knowing he was going to have to play a lot. And his shooting reminds me of Seabrook. Getting into a good position, strong, accurate shot. Seabrook adapted quickly to the NHL. I look forward to seeing how Bouchard does it.

    And they both have big time older guy facial hair. Must count for something.

  184. BONE207 says:

    Yegfoundation:
    Silver Streak,

    Me thinks, you should refrain from personal attacks on another poster.

    Ducks under the cover of darkness…

  185. Georges says:

    northerndancer:
    Second post this decade. Very frequent reader.

    LT, a tip of this prairie boy’s hat to you for putting us on the Fast Train today.“about a man who left from nowhere to be someone….”A carload of kids from Biggar heading up toNorth Battleford to hear the legendary April Wine in the high school gym.Maybe you were that kid who kept getting in my way.

    I can’t imagine the train ride it must be for these young hockey bucks as they go from the security of god status in Junior to bottom rung of the, maybe, NHL.It doesn’t matter how big the coin is, they are still kids.

    LT, I love that you will share your passions your past and your prognostications with such a diverse crowd of fans.With such fine writing. I think that there must be a perverse side of me that likes watching the social carnage that is a part of bothhockey and an open comment blog?I know that both keep me entertained on the long, painful nights when the mistakes outweigh the scoring chances and the low West Kootenay cloud that passes for winter here dampens my spirits.

    Someday we must share a story of a broken bus, the Maidstone bowling alley? and a pathetic hockey game between two fine teams on melting springtime ice in the Maidstone arena.

    Maybe you were there as well.

    I lift a smallish glass of my homemade proseccoto all you contributors who are willing to share your passions in public and who read this far in my self-indulgent contribution.

    And now back to our summer programming.

    Go oilers.

    Such fine writing…

    Cheers.

  186. Lowetide says:

    northerndancer:
    With due respect to our host, I think Bouchard may make it difficult for the Oilers to return him to junior

    I have stated the same thing. Bouchard get nine games, after that we’ll see. If he gets 10 he’ll get 60. And you should post more. 🙂

  187. northerndancer says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks but my liver can’t take posting more.

    1960’s Lashburn Redwings JrB team, affiliate of Weyburn Red Wings, was coached by Stan Dunn (later to Swift Current) and managed by my dad, station agent for CN in Lashburn. Hell of a player, back in the day.

    Oops. Don’t encourage me. Thanks for all.

  188. GMB3 says:

    northerndancer:
    With due respect to our host, I think Bouchard may make it difficult for the Oilers to return him to junior.I watched video of him and he reminds me of watching Brent Seabrook in his last year at Lethbridge.Seabrook would play over half the game, skated with economy and moving the puck well. He simply dominated the ice at both ends. Bouchard has the same economical style, conserving energy, probably determined by being the only/best option to put on the ice and knowing he was going to have to play a lot.And his shooting reminds me of Seabrook.Getting into a good position, strong, accurate shot.Seabrook adapted quickly to the NHL.I look forward to seeing how Bouchard does it.

    And they both have big time older guy facial hair.Must count for something.

    Brent Seabrook played two more years of junior post draft and never came close to Bouchards offensive totals. At this stage Bouchard is a much more substantial prospect than Seabrook ever was.

    I do hope Bouchard pushes for a roster spot on merit. It would mean he is the goods and I would be interested to see what it means for Russell and Benning.

  189. GMB3 says:

    I honestly can’t believe Bouchard fell to tenth. Reinhart was a top 5 pick in 2012 and Bouchards offence blows him out of the water on a worse team in a tougher league. He either has some serious warts to his game or a few GM’s absolutely lost the plot on draft day. Ryan Ellis dropped to 11 because he was 5’10, but Bouchard is a big boy.

    I’m not sure if I should be overjoyed with the selection or if years of poor drafting makes me think we missed something everyone else saw, and that we should have drafted Wahlstrom. Bouchard could legitimately be an elite dman in the future based on his offense in Jr. I’ve read people compare him to Bogosian but the counting numbers aren’t even close. It’s odd.

  190. OilSlickster says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    i agree with your switches

  191. rickithebear says:

    War is largely based on win ratio affect of pitcher/batter. Thier is simple binary strike/ball walk/hit/out
    Making major portion of WAR reliable.

    The major goal diff binary affects are:
    1. HD Corsi/shot density
    2. Closed corsi % relative to CA. 10:1 to 3:1
    3. Off dmen occupation of Off possession. Fwds 4 times more efficient than Dmen.
    4. 3ppgf is equal to 1 evgf in Goal diff affect. So 1 ppp is 1/3 in goal diff cap value to 1 Evp.
    5. OFf dmen yield hd rates 40% worse than average.
    6. Coach bench change scuds Corsi Numbers by 40%
    7. FOZS success can be (15+/-)/ 35 or 40: or 50 or 60 or 65; 43%; 37.5%; 30%; 25%; 23%

    Thier are difrent mechanidm of high value that are independent of hockey’s Batter
    Open shot Corsi Density (save% avg established) to goaltender save% range +/-.
    All the others are out field ratios superior To the concept of a single WAR based on a single dominate batter mechanism.

    I showed this when I made lists of the most basic of Goal diff route trees that at one time could be found on here pre spring 2009.

  192. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: I always enjoy your posts! I was however surprised at your negativity on a player!It was just so not you!

    I’m an optimistic Oiler fan but will critisize where I feel appropriate (ie. Koskinen overpayment). I feel, Brad Malone is not an NHL level player and that management should take steps to ensure that he isn’t an NHL option unless injuries really start to pile up.

    While he made $925K last year, a guy like Nick Shore would put another body between Malone and the NHL (and the longer we go in to the summer, the closer to $650K he will likely be willing to sign for).

  193. Wilde says:

    northerndancer,

    northerndancer,

    These were fantastic

  194. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: How is it bewildering?

    He is a 29 year old career AHLer (I acknowledge his 180 NHL games).He is not a prospect and will not “get better”.If anything, he’ll start regressing over the next few years.

    I watched him in his 7 games as an Oilers and he is not an NHL player.I understand his possession metrics were nice, however, in such a small sample size, they mean nothing to me.

    I watched him play and the most meaningful thing he did was take 3 bad minor penalties.

    I fully expect him to play NHL games this year however, in my opinion, the only benefit of that is that it will allow Marody more development time and adjustment to the pro game.

    His $675K cap hit and our lack of depth will get him NHL games and our lineup will be worse with him in it.

    It’s strange because you just hammered the guy unprompted two times for one soliloquy and it’s like a daily thing now.

    Normally when you(or most anyone else) is that strong on something, they’ve got a substantial case.

    Here, a non-descript 4th line centre didn’t spend an hour with the club and nothing happened.

    Zero goals, the Oilers outshot the opponent, whatever.

    But you saw him bad because he took a penalty or two… Should Zack Kassian be quarantined?

    The Oilers should get a better extra centre in my opinion, so that they can put Ryan Strome at 1/2RW for the first few dozen games, and get a veteran skilled AHL 1C to help the young wingers.

    Not just to pull up the ladder to the clubhouse before Brad Malone gets there because he stinks.

  195. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde: It’s strange because you just hammered the guy unprompted two times for one soliloquy and it’s like a daily thing now.

    Normally when you(or most anyone else) is that strong on something, they’ve got a substantial case.

    Here, a non-descript 4th line centre didn’t spend an hour with the club and nothing happened.

    Zero goals, the Oilers outshot the opponent, whatever.

    But you saw him bad because he took a penalty or two… Should Zack Kassian be quarantined?

    The Oilers should get a better extra centre in my opinion, so that they can put Ryan Strome at 1/2RW for the first few dozen games, and get a veteran skilled AHL 1C to help the young wingers.

    Not just to pull up the ladder to the clubhouse before Brad Malone gets there because he stinks.

    When I see a post placing Malone in the top 13F, breaking camp with the NHL team, I will respond with my thoughts on the issue. I simply don’t agree with any premise that has him on the opening night roster and there are ways to assure that doesn’t happen (subject to 2-3 injuries to start the season at forward). Its as easy as signing a Nick Shore (or similar) who, I assume will come in at no raise to his $925K from last year (and probably even less).

    Sure, in his limited minutes they were non-event except they weren’t – they were negative minutes give 3 bad minor penalties in that time. Minor penalties that are repeatable due to a lack of speed (and lack of other plus skills to make up for the lack of speed).

    Yes, Kassian should be “called out” for his large negative PIM differential and, in fact, I almost made a post on it in relation to some discourse about Pouliot and his overstated offensive zone PIM history.

    At least Kassian has other NHL skills that help the team (when he is on his game and consistency is a huge issue with Zack).

    I am all about giving Strome some 1RW minutes – if Khaira can play 3C adequately, I’d like to see that happen – not sure JJ is ready for that role yet though.

  196. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That metric also doesn’t rate Sekera at all due to his performance last year.

    I have EDM with a top 10 Dcorps this year.

    *prays for health*

    And we’ve got two possible ‘rookies’ in the top 6.

    Yamamoto and Puljujarvi both hit, and they’d have a close to top 10 top 6 imo, 12-15th.

    Dcorps as a group perplex me, but can get a read on individual defensemen /okay/ and the collection of individuals the Oilers have looks like it adds up to be in the same neighbourhood as the top 6, with a much better 3rd pairing than most teams.

    The weaknesses are the bottom 6, and uncertainty in special teams and goaltending.

    I’d say they’re a wild card team 5v5, goaltending and a hot powerplay could take them to a division spot.

  197. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I agree with most of this except on Kassian, he was an absolutely negative player and so was Caggiula – players that are much more likely to be on the roster than Brad Malone and who have a poor history at the NHL level as well.

    I’d rather have Caggiula and Kassian gone and Brad Malone playing 4C than vice-versa.

    I don’t think there’s nearly enough track to have an opinion that strong on Malone, especially written the way it was.

    Anyways, it was honestly just a bantery point to begin with. I didn’t mean to have others pile on, but that’s my fault for jabbing in the first place. My bad about that.

  198. ArmchairGM says:

    Profit: And while Montreal is slightly larger as a metropolitan centre, it’s no LA/TBay/Boston.

    It’s nit-picking I know, but Montreal is larger than Tampa according to wiki.

    “In 2015, Statistics Canada identified Montreal’s Census Metropolitan Area (CMA) as 4,258.31 square kilometres with a population of 4,027,100.”

    “The population of the Tampa Bay MSA is estimated at 3,091,399 people as of 2018.” Also consider that this catchement area is 6,616 km2.

    “Greater Boston is ranked tenth in population among US metropolitan statistical areas, home to 4,732,161 people as of the 2014 US Census estimate.” Also consider that this catchement area is 9,032.3 km2.

    For comparison’s sake, Toronto (Golden Horseshoe) is 7,826,367 people in 10,097.45 km2.

    Vancouver is 2,759,365 people in 4,935.07 km2, basically the same size as Tampa.

    Edmonton is 1,321,426 people in 9,438.86 km2 – a different category altogether.

  199. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I agree with most of this except on Kassian, he was an absolutely negative player and so was Caggiula – players that are much more likely to be on the roster than Brad Malone and who have a poor history at the NHL level as well.

    I’d rather have Caggiula and Kassian gone and Brad Malone playing 4C than vice-versa.

    I don’t think there’s nearly enough track to have an opinion that strong on Malone, especially written the way it was.

    Anyways, it was honestly just a bantery point to begin with. I didn’t mean to have others pile on, but that’s my fault for jabbing in the first place. My bad about that.

    I somewhat agree about Caggulia and, although I waver on Kassian, he does have a solid NHL game, at times – his issue is consistency. When he’s skating well and able to to on the forecheck quickly and aggressively, he causes turnovers and can change the momentum of the game. Issue is, its a tough style to play and he seems unable to bring in nightly.

    What both Zack and Drake have over Malone are: speed/quickness, more skill (even Drake) and much younger.

    Malone has a decreased cap hit over the other two – that’s it. I believe Malone can be replaced, knocked down the depth chart, for a similar cap hit (maybe a couple hundred grand more).

    As to your last point – no worries at all, I take no offence.

  200. Jethro Tull says:

    Georges: Such fine writing…

    Cheers.

    It would seem Northern Dancer is a bit of a dark horse….

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