Hallelujah, Amen

by Lowetide

If you’re looking for good signs, look to the draft and the group of players coming up behind Connor McDavid. If the Oilers had drafted in 2013 and 2014 like they have in 2017 and 2018, the organization would be on a far more promising trajectory. Unless there’s a DeLorean hanging around, the past is past, but the future has some lovely notes and may have real sustain.

THE ATHLETIC!

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The OHL is the best junior league in the world, forged by the GTHL, a universe of hockey that circles Toronto every winter. According to Wikipedia (I apologize but couldn’t find the information anywhere else), in 2011 there were 2,800 teams and 40,000 players in the GTHL. Ages range from 3-4 (Timbits) to U21. It’s a gigantic funnel, a melting pot of dreams and skills, and those youngsters combine to send the best of the best soaring to the highest highs available in the sport.

At the beginning of the 2016-17 NHL season, there were over 60 players from the GTHL on opening night rosters in the world’s best league. There are (at any given time) 713 players in the NHL (31 teams with 23-man rosters). The GTHL, not much shy of the size of the city I live in, feeds the NHL close to 10 percent of its entire population. Nothing compares to it in hockey terms. Edmonton’s share of these 60 players? Connor McDavid, Darnell Nurse. Hallelujah, Amen.

https://twitter.com/Domingues_19/status/978433088299532288

Most of the information I’ve gleaned about McLeod since his draft day surrounds speed, skill and inconsistency. His scouting report is somewhat similar to Ryan Martindale when the Oilers drafted him in 2010.

  • Ryan Martindale in 2010: 61, 19-41-60 0.983
  • Ryan McLeod in 2018: 68, 26-44-70 1.03

Red Line compared Martindale to Ryan O’Marra and compared McLeod to Austin Watson. I like him as a prospect and the OHL is a supreme melting pot for prospects, but this isn’t a slam dunk and there’s a reason projected first rounders fall into the second round. Kirill Maksimov was chosen in the bowels of the draft but went from .57 points-per-game in his draft season to 1.29 in draft +1. If McLeod can deliver that kind of spike, we’re talking about a future top six forward with incredible wheels and substantial skills. It’s easy to love his speed, but math suggests we take a watchful approach on Mr. McLeod.

PATRIK SIIKANEN

The two late picks are interesting but it’s tough to get intel on them. Siikanen has good hands and can be a real distraction around the net, he is not blessed with great speed. Siikanen finished No. 20 in points-per-game among U18’s in the Jr. Sm-Liiga, posting 0.71 per game. Aapeli Rasanen posted .076 same league in his draft year 2016. Always bet against later picks but this is an interesting player.

THE NEWS IS OUT ALL OVER TOWN

Some great reporting from Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal is here, we’ll discuss Darnell Nurse tomorrow (honoring my 24-hour rule). In the meantime, click the link, good stuff there.

CURRENT STATE OF THE OILERS

Over the last few weeks, Edmonton added some nice prospects in the draft (Evan Bouchard, Ryan McLeod and Olivier Rodrigue were all among the best at their position pre-draft) and at least one free agent (Tobias Rieder) who can grow with the group. Kyle Brodziak is a solid veteran addition.

When giving Peter Chiarelli credit for these things, it’s also important to note his previous moves contributed to the current cap crunch/roster holes combination the organization is living under today. After crushing June trades that sent away top draft picks in the enormous 2015 draft, that sent away Taylor Hall and then Jordan Eberle, the big June trade this year was for Hayden Hawkey. Oilers didn’t bleed by their own hand this summer.

The downside of all these things for Chiarelli is that his team remains unbalanced at a time when he and coach Todd McLellan are under enormous pressure. The upside is there’s talent bubbling under the surface, and the McDavid cluster (I count 97, 29, 93, 25, 77, 6, and hope 98, 83, 16 and 56 join the band) will continue to grow with useful youths who don’t cost the moon.

If the result of 2017-18 means keeping the draft picks (unlike 2014 and 2015), developing them (you go, Jay Woodcroft) and making smaller, astute free agent signings (Tobias Rieder) then I’m onboard. I do think the overall thrust of these moves is wise. It’s the right thing to do, although it doesn’t bring those 2015 draft picks back to Edmonton.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Friday morning with plenty of chat and lots of cool guests. Scheduled to appear, beginning at 10, TSN1260:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Prairie storms, CFL Live mic, Stampede, World Cup.
  • Derek Taylor, TSN. Mr. Details will tell us why the Stampeders are so damned good and what the Eskimos can do to counter those slow starts (and injuries on defense).
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN. World Cup, Eskimos-Argos.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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Jethro Tull

godot10: Er…I did nor define elite.I was talking about generational players, which are the elite of the elite.

Lowetide was predicting a ho hum 40 goal season for McDavid.I asked the question when a supposed generational player was going to demonstrate generational results, and show some separation.

Year 4.40 goals and 110 points is ho hum

The Oilers probably don’t make the playoffs if Connor only has a ho hum 40 goal 110 pt season. And the Art Ross will still e a competition

See four posts above. And it’s all TMac’s fault.

godot10

Jethro Tull: Godot did the other day.

Er…I did nor define elite. I was talking about generational players, which are the elite of the elite.

Lowetide was predicting a ho hum 40 goal season for McDavid. I asked the question when a supposed generational player was going to demonstrate generational results, and show some separation.

Year 4. 40 goals and 110 points is ho hum

The Oilers probably don’t make the playoffs if Connor only has a ho hum 40 goal 110 pt season. And the Art Ross will still e a competition

VOR

I would argue that in placing boundaries on Connor Godot bracketed the team. If you have a generational player you must achieve X as a team. Essentially it was expectation by objective.

Wilde has given us a functional definition of how the team should behave. One based on resilience. I think everyone here would agree resilience is a critical component of success in pretty much any walk of life.

Jaxon

Seth Jones – 14.56
JETT WOO – 13.76
CALEN ADDISON – 13.61
Aaron Ekblad – 13.45
Luke Schenn – 12.86
Jakob Chycchrun – 12.80
BODE WILDE 11.33
Drew Doughty – 9.77
Luca Sbisa 9.07
Cam Fowler – 7.34

Jaxon

Name Projected 5-on-5 P1
K’ANDRE MILLER 33.51
RYAN MERKLEY – 23.80
EVAN BOUCHARD – 22.34
Zach Bogosian – 19.92
TY SMITH – 18.81
Dmitry Kulikov – 17.61
Darnell Nurse 16.94
NOAH DOBSON – 16.34

Jaxon

€√¥£€^$: Nurse does not have great offensive instincts, this has not been displayed at the pro or OHL levels.

This is not true. His 16.94 Projected Primary Pts was quite high in his draft season and improved from there. That number is better than most high picks from Canadian Junior.

Jethro Tull

VOR: I am betting Wilde’s definition would be rather different. Wouldn’t you? I am truly curious how he sees it.

Sorry VOR, I have it wrong, Godot defined ‘generational’.

VOR

Wilde: When it comes to an NHL team?

Being rooted strongly enough to only be swayed, but not taken, by all but the most vicious turns of variance and remain past the first stormy season.

Now didn’t I say it wouldn’t look like Godot’s?

VOR

Jethro Tull: Godot did the other day.

I am betting Wilde’s definition would be rather different. Wouldn’t you? I am truly curious how he sees it.

Wilde

VOR: Nope.

I am genuinely curious. Can you define eliteness?

When it comes to an NHL team?

Being rooted strongly enough to only be swayed, but not taken, by all but the most vicious turns of variance and remain past the first stormy season.

Melvis

Jethro Tull: Wait….is THIS a rhetorical question?

ha ha;-)

VOR

Jethro Tull: If Ricki is a personae, then it’s a good idea I never meet ‘him’.

Every time someone has called him out, a sob story about terminal illness or autism rears it’s tragic head.

The last two years have been a hard slog for me and mine, going through what Ricki tosses out as purile excuses when he gets taken to task.

So forgive me if I’m a little tender about a) airing dirty laundry in public, and b) using it as a platform for personal attacks.

I’ve been here through the golden years of DSF, who owned all he said, and New Age Sys who similarly stated he invented modern hockey.

Every bear i know owns their crankiness.

And as for Bukowski: who’d want to be such an asshole?

https://youtu.be/xr_B2IOUYSw

As someone who has never made any secret of the fact that I am on the spectrum I abhor his inaccurate and inappropriate use of the word autism. And him using it as an excuse is…well inexcusable. My sympathies with the tough times you are experiencing. For the third time in my life I am living through seasons in hell.

Jethro Tull

VOR: Nope.

I am genuinely curious. Can you define eliteness?

Godot did the other day.

VOR

Wilde: Never one to play with your food, are you?

Nope.

I am genuinely curious. Can you define eliteness?

Jethro Tull

Melvis: Is that a rhetorical question?

Wait….is THIS a rhetorical question?

Jethro Tull

Melvis,

Listen to the song in the link, my friend!

Melvis

Jethro Tull: And as for Bukowski: who’d want to be such an asshole?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Jethro Tull

VOR: Actually Ricki is very misunderstood.

That is of course a choice on his part.

He speaks, reads, and writes perfect English.

As an example he just posted a homage to Charles Bukowski while referencing the poet himself. All while deliberately misspelling words, something Bukowski did as well. He inverted and subverted his own argument another Bukowski speciality. He did it in flow meaning he is super smart.

He is a skilled math mind with interesting things to say. But he has chosen to trap himself in this ridiculous personae. He can abandon it any time he likes.

I have no idea why he persists.

If Ricki is a personae, then it’s a good idea I never meet ‘him’.

Every time someone has called him out, a sob story about terminal illness or autism rears it’s tragic head.

The last two years have been a hard slog for me and mine, going through what Ricki tosses out as purile excuses when he gets taken to task.

So forgive me if I’m a little tender about a) airing dirty laundry in public, and b) using it as a platform for personal attacks.

I’ve been here through the golden years of DSF, who owned all he said, and New Age Sys who similarly stated he invented modern hockey.

Every bear i know owns their crankiness.

And as for Bukowski: who’d want to be such an asshole?

https://youtu.be/xr_B2IOUYSw

Wilde

VOR: It is such a shame you can’t rise above your Gorgian roots.

Never one to play with your food, are you?

Wilde

Wilde,

William Laggesson versus Filip Berglund:

player : WL / / FB ( % chance of making the NHL )

year

2013 : 25% / / N/A

2014 : 18% / / 48%

2015 : 6% / / 38%

2016 : 5% / / 38%

2017 : 27% / / 43%

– You can see clearly here how much Berglund’s edge offensively helps his chances vs WL

– The rough boy to man transition to the SHL is in full force here

– Those who remember SwedishPosters updates on these guys will remember his telling us of the big year the had: he was damn right

– adding together for 70% chance of getting a Dman to the NHL from two #91 overall picks is a splendid result

– the drafting might just rubberband this team back ahead of the pack: the goal should be eliteness

– we’ll know half past McLeod if the development side can use the materials given

VOR

Wilde: If you say this in earnest, your head is wall-to-wall virtue.

It is such a shame you can’t rise above your Gorgian roots.

Wilde

Extremely fucking cool “compare prospect progress” tool by @gableingaround using Emmanuel Perry’s recent prospect data work:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/alex.gable#!/vizhome/TeamOwnedProspects/ComparePlayerProgress

Woodguy v2.0

JimmyV1965: Well. There you go. Thanks. Would be interesting to see the breakdown for this be first two months of the season.

Talbot only
Oct 1 – Dec 1
5v5 .919
4v5 .788
All situations .903

Here’s the site: http://offsidereview.com/goalies/

JimmyV1965

Woodguy v2.0: Talbot didn’t get better near the end of they year.

They fixed the PK.

If you break out the 5v5 and PK SV% its easy to see.

Talbot only
Oct 1 – Jan 31
5v5 SV% .916
5v4 SV% .803
Overall SV% .901

Feb 1 – Apr 15
5v5 SV% .917
5v4 SV% .903
Overall SV% .914

Well. There you go. Thanks. Would be interesting to see the breakdown for this be first two months of the season.

Wilde

VOR:

I have no idea why he persists.

If you say this in earnest, your head is wall-to-wall virtue.

Woodguy v2.0

JimmyV1965: I don’t think we can exonerate the play of the dmen last year because they were a factor in Talbot’s poor play. But I can’t wrap my head around the fact that Talbot played much better at the end of the season while our dmen played much worse. His save percentage was better at the end of the year when Sekera was a tire fire and Bear was lost in the dzone. He needed to be better at the start of the year when our possession stats were among the best in the league. (I might be wrong about that. I’m just going from memory)

Talbot didn’t get better near the end of they year.

They fixed the PK.

If you break out the 5v5 and PK SV% its easy to see.

Talbot only
Oct 1 – Jan 31
5v5 SV% .916
5v4 SV% .803
Overall SV% .901

Feb 1 – Apr 15
5v5 SV% .917
5v4 SV% .903
Overall SV% .914

Material Elvis

VOR: Actually Ricki is very misunderstood.

That is of course a choice on his part.

He speaks, reads, and writes perfect English.

As an example he just posted a homage to Charles Bukowski while referencing the poet himself. All while deliberately misspelling words, something Bukowski did as well. He inverted and subverted his own argument another Bukowski speciality. He did it in flow meaning he is super smart.

He is a skilled math mind with interesting things to say. But he has chosen to trap himself in this ridiculous personae. He can abandon it any time he likes.

I have no idea why he persists.

Um, VOR, you just described yourself. Got something to tell us?

Material Elvis

€√¥£€^$:
Regarding Lucic, I wanted to take a closer look at his season.We all saw his issues, such as the terrible passes in the Dzone, the missed open net chances and the seeming lack of engagement.The clash with Mike Smith was one of the highlights of this season for me, but because we rarely saw this from him it really stood out.I will just present the info for the masses to digest.For me I think there are good indicators that he will be able to bounce back next year, because IMO his issues were a combination of a lack of focus and piss-poor deployment.So I think it is 65% on him* and 35% on the coachingstaff*.

* these numbers were determined using the POOMA** method

The negatives:

A. 5.93 shooting percentage, lowest of his career, 2nd lowest was in rookie season when it was 6.41%, his 1st season in Edmonton it was 8.33%.Lucic has a 13.7% career shooting average.

B.0.994 PDO, mostly due to his craptastic shooting percentage, for context this was only the 3rd season it has ever been below 1.000, the previous times were his 1st and 3rd years.

C.66 Giveaways – this was a career high, and by eye this isn’t much of a surprise.In 16-17 he had 40.His 2nd most was 58, 5 seasons previous.His career average is 37.5.

D.4 penalties drawn, this was the lowest of his career.In 16-17 he drew 6, the 2nd lowest in his career.Prior to arriving in E-Town he averaged 12 per season.

E. 16 minor penalties taken.This was the most he had taken in 7 years, the previous season he took 7, his career average is 13.7.

F. He also had the lowest primary 5v5 assists in 8 seasons and 2nd most secondary 5v5 assists in his career.

G.71 hits taken, this was the lowest total in his career, 6 less than his first season in Edmonton.In the 6 seasons prior to joining the Oilers he averaged over 100 hits taken.

Postives (?)

A.52.83% Ozone start was his lowest in 7 years and his 358 Dzone Face-offs were the most in his career.

B.51.96 HDCF% ithe previous season it was 49.11%

C.40.74% HDGF the previous season it was 55.58% and the previous 5 seasons it was 60+%

D.Rebounds created were the highest of his career, the 2nd highest was in 16-17

E.24 shot blocks, highest in his career- likely related to career high giveaways, but it shows his GAF*** factor is still high, no?

F.Highest hit total since his 2nd year, 53 more than 16-17.

**Pulled Out Of My Ass

***Give A Fuck

That’s a compelling argument for a regression season. However, even if he does rebound, that contract is going to be tough to move. His 5v5 numbers have been bad for two seasons now so the trend is developing. If he scores 20G, 30A = 50P this season, I still think you need to add a sweetener (draft picks) to move that contract next summer.

Material Elvis

VOR: And perhaps that is why he persists. He has a fandom here. But also his Alter Ego has found a home and become part of the fabric of the place.

VOR: And perhaps that is why he persists. He has a fandom here. But also his Alter Ego has found a home and become part of the fabric of the place.

I am a fan. I admire the mad genius of it. I just don’t get the motivation for either the art or the artifice.

Then again I don’t get Banksy.

Interesting. It’s LT isn’t it?

€√¥£€^$

VOR,

So are you telling me that Ricki is actually New Age Darkness?

€√¥£€^$

Material pocession,

Elvis has left the building….

€√¥£€^$

Regarding Lucic, I wanted to take a closer look at his season. We all saw his issues, such as the terrible passes in the Dzone, the missed open net chances and the seeming lack of engagement. The clash with Mike Smith was one of the highlights of this season for me, but because we rarely saw this from him it really stood out. I will just present the info for the masses to digest. For me I think there are good indicators that he will be able to bounce back next year, because IMO his issues were a combination of a lack of focus and piss-poor deployment. So I think it is 65% on him* and 35% on the coaching staff*.

* these numbers were determined using the POOMA** method

The negatives:

A. 5.93 shooting percentage, lowest of his career, 2nd lowest was in rookie season when it was 6.41%, his 1st season in Edmonton it was 8.33%. Lucic has a 13.7% career shooting average.

B. 0.994 PDO, mostly due to his craptastic shooting percentage, for context this was only the 3rd season it has ever been below 1.000, the previous times were his 1st and 3rd years.

C. 66 Giveaways – this was a career high, and by eye this isn’t much of a surprise. In 16-17 he had 40. His 2nd most was 58, 5 seasons previous. His career average is 37.5.

D. 4 penalties drawn, this was the lowest of his career. In 16-17 he drew 6, the 2nd lowest in his career. Prior to arriving in E-Town he averaged 12 per season.

E. 16 minor penalties taken. This was the most he had taken in 7 years, the previous season he took 7, his career average is 13.7.

F. He also had the lowest primary 5v5 assists in 8 seasons and 2nd most secondary 5v5 assists in his career.

G. 71 hits taken, this was the lowest total in his career, 6 less than his first season in Edmonton. In the 6 seasons prior to joining the Oilers he averaged over 100 hits taken.

Postives (?)

A. 52.83% Ozone start was his lowest in 7 years and his 358 Dzone Face-offs were the most in his career.

B. 51.96 HDCF% ithe previous season it was 49.11%

C. 40.74% HDGF the previous season it was 55.58% and the previous 5 seasons it was 60+%

D. Rebounds created were the highest of his career, the 2nd highest was in 16-17

E. 24 shot blocks, highest in his career- likely related to career high giveaways, but it shows his GAF*** factor is still high, no?

F. Highest hit total since his 2nd year, 53 more than 16-17.

**Pulled Out Of My Ass

***Give A Fuck

Material Elvis

€√¥£€^$:
Material pocession,

There is always the “skip reading his posts” option.That’s what I had to do when I started visiting this place 10 yrs ago and I still do it quite often, but recently I have tried to make an effort to decipher his posts.

Ironic? Isn’t your handle in “homage” to him?Or rather is it your intention to mock him each time you post?

Not trying to be an ass, just calling it as I see it.I apologize if I am mistaken.

Being a long time reader, you don’t have to like it, but I would expect you would understand “The Ricki-ness”.From my perspective his non-standard style is part of the appeal of the place.Like the puke-green shag rug in Great Aunt Martha’s basement, the vivid pink porcelain in her guest bathroom and her giant nude self-portrait in her dining room.

Hi. “The Rick-iness” doesn’t excuse poor behavior or disrespect towards another poster. This is not the first time he has taken this tack. Such was not the case when I chose that name. When GMoney and Woodguy made puckiq, RTB became jealous and started lashing out at posters. Indeed, I find the civil RTB hockey persona entertaining but the recent name calling towards Professor Q, Woodguy, Leadfarmer, etc, has become too much to….bear. Perhaps a name tweak is in order. Material Elvis?

VOR

€√¥£€^$:
Material pocession,

There is always the “skip reading his posts” option.That’s what I had to do when I started visiting this place 10 yrs ago and I still do it quite often, but recently I have tried to make an effort to decipher his posts.

Ironic? Isn’t your handle in “homage” to him?Or rather is it your intention to mock him each time you post?

Not trying to be an ass, just calling it as I see it.I apologize if I am mistaken.

Being a long time reader, you don’t have to like it, but I would expect you would understand “The Ricki-ness”.From my perspective his non-standard style is part of the appeal of the place.Like the puke-green shag rug in Great Aunt Martha’s basement, the vivid pink porcelain in her guest bathroom and her giant nude self-portrait in her dining room.

And perhaps that is why he persists. He has a fandom here. But also his Alter Ego has found a home and become part of the fabric of the place.

I am a fan. I admire the mad genius of it. I just don’t get the motivation for either the art or the artifice.

Then again I don’t get Banksy.

€√¥£€^$

Material pocession,

There is always the “skip reading his posts” option. That’s what I had to do when I started visiting this place 10 yrs ago and I still do it quite often, but recently I have tried to make an effort to decipher his posts.

Ironic? Isn’t your handle in “homage” to him? Or rather is it your intention to mock him each time you post?

Not trying to be an ass, just calling it as I see it. I apologize if I am mistaken.

Being a long time reader, you don’t have to like it, but I would expect you would understand “The Ricki-ness”. From my perspective his non-standard style is part of the appeal of the place. Like the puke-green shag rug in Great Aunt Martha’s basement, the vivid pink porcelain in her guest bathroom and her giant nude self-portrait in her dining room.

VOR

Material pocession: It’s so ironic given the fact that nobody really calls him out for the incoherent gibberish that he spews on here, trying to pass it off as groundbreaking analytical research.He is arguably the most disrespectful commenter on the site.Maybe just humour him.

Actually Ricki is very misunderstood.

That is of course a choice on his part.

He speaks, reads, and writes perfect English.

As an example he just posted a homage to Charles Bukowski while referencing the poet himself. All while deliberately misspelling words, something Bukowski did as well. He inverted and subverted his own argument another Bukowski speciality. He did it in flow meaning he is super smart.

He is a skilled math mind with interesting things to say. But he has chosen to trap himself in this ridiculous personae. He can abandon it any time he likes.

I have no idea why he persists.

Material Elvis

Professor Q: I do not think there was a need to start with the name calling and mocking there, Ricki.

It’s so ironic given the fact that nobody really calls him out for the incoherent gibberish that he spews on here, trying to pass it off as groundbreaking analytical research. He is arguably the most disrespectful commenter on the site. Maybe just humour him.

JimmyV1965

rickithebear: Having 2 opposition players in front of the net against one D cause Nurse and Klefbomwere out of screen is usually not poor goaltending. The open shot rates climb with in close shots cause block and miss rate influncevis greatly reduced.
Open spacectargeting is easier.

This still doesn’t account for Talbot’s improved play at the end of the season when the defence was playing worse.

BONE207

Professor Q: I do not think there was a need to start with the name calling and mocking there, Ricki.

Well…Homer does drink Duff beer. There’s that…

rickithebear

Professor Q: I do not think there was a need to start with the name calling and mocking there, Ricki.

Glass and all that stuff.

False Eye: one view not full view.

Opinionated: not a lot of facts.
A lot of under your Craw vitriol prose directed my way.
Thou your vitriol has that Buchowsky roll.

Fool: my 10 year old discovered the Origional A team.
Omage! Pity the ……..

rickithebear

JimmyV1965: I don’t think we can exonerate the play of the dmen last year because they were a factor in Talbot’s poor play. But I can’t wrap my head around the fact that Talbot played much better at the end of the season while our dmen played much worse. His save percentage was better at the end of the year when Sekera was a tire fire and Bear was lost in the dzone. He needed to be better at the start of the year when our possession stats were among the best in the league.

Having 2 opposition players in front of the net against one D cause Nurse and Klefbomwere out of screen is usually not poor goaltending. The open shot rates climb with in close shots cause block and miss rate influncevis greatly reduced.
Open spacectargeting is easier.

rickithebear

leadfarmer:
rickithebear,

Let me guess, Einstein also borrowed your theory of Relativity.

No but I do have 2 major people in hockey industry that will state my knowledge and discussion of these theories before they were ever on the Internet.

Table Hockey Goalie Movement Theory: a 43+ year old observation of a 6-8 yrvold young man playing street (sand) hockey with us slightly older boys. He did not do the traditional stand up or flop butterfly.
He just moved with the tennis ball like a Table Hockey Goalie. He had a high hit body rate and therefore was a winning goalie alot of the time.

The boy.
Ronnie Gunville Player Personel Director for the PA raiders.
Influenced by the likes of B. Lowes, Macrimmon, Manson, Campeze.

1/2 of the GA diiferential success route tree map measure for hockey is this observation.

As well A lot of Atco Upper Corporate having discussed my Hockey theories with me.

Funniest one was the Brighton Beach power Plant Mgr discussing how one of his friends kids was frustrated that Coaches and GM did not appreciate the def side of game as much.
The friends son “Brett Bellemore”

JimmyV1965

frjohnk: There was something about letting in the first shot, but quite a few of those were the blame of the defense as the opposing team got a fantastic chance right off the bat and it was in the net in the first minute.

Defensively, I think this team is still a work in progress.We still give up a lot of shots and the locations of those shots put us closer to the bottom of the league when looking at expected goals against.

In 15-16, the Oilers were 30th in GA/60 and 23rd in Expected GA/60
In 16-17, the Oilers were 9th in GA/60 and 23rd in Expected GA/60
In 17-18, the Oilers were 24th in GA/60 28th in Expected GA/60

The 1 outlier out of these stats is the GA/60 in 16-17, where Talbot had 12 GSAA.

A healthier D core and growth from them should help

I don’t think we can exonerate the play of the dmen last year because they were a factor in Talbot’s poor play. But I can’t wrap my head around the fact that Talbot played much better at the end of the season while our dmen played much worse. His save percentage was better at the end of the year when Sekera was a tire fire and Bear was lost in the dzone. He needed to be better at the start of the year when our possession stats were among the best in the league. (I might be wrong about that. I’m just going from memory)

BONE207

Scungilli Slushy: Agreed. Still better 2.5 on the best goalie in Europe than 4 on a 5/6 D

I hope the best goalie in Europe is better than the 32nd best goalie in the Nhl.

BONE207

unca miltie:

The side track was a Sunday night venue until I quit drinking in 1979. lol.

Ahhh…1979. That was the year you passed the torch to me.

Professor Q

rickithebear:
Duffesor Q:
2 critical theories relates to true visual performance measure.

1. Belichek and me: dating back to late 70,s and early 80,s. It became apparent to me that high end baseline shift, downs, play repeatable/awareness by teammates in a system was critical to winning.
“be tough to play against”

2. False eye Affect: MSM & Fans let a single high visual mistake for the opinion of a players ability.
Poster child was elite 1st comp def Dman Sheldon Souray ( product of NJD HD dman factory) who,s mistakes were video legendary. But he had one of the lowest goal resulting mistakes per 30 shift rates.
It is why I never mocked staples. His approach was like mine.

My favourite was when #7 HD goalie for that year Elliot gave up 2 what would be called weak goals.
In a 4 GAA. But he faced 1.972 games of HD shot density.
Boomer from Sportsnet 960 False eyed and said he was bad.
But baseline performance repeatability was 4GA/1.972gm = 2.028 GA/GM performance.

PQ you are a False Eye Opinionated Fool.

I do not think there was a need to start with the name calling and mocking there, Ricki.

rickithebear

The GAA/GM by game density total allows you to establish the WAR value for a goalie.
When compared to a standard GA vs win% curve.

rickithebear

Duffesor Q:
2 critical theories relates to true visual performance measure.

1. Belichek and me: dating back to late 70,s and early 80,s. It became apparent to me that high end baseline shift, downs, play repeatable/awareness by teammates in a system was critical to winning.
“be tough to play against”

2. False eye Affect: MSM & Fans let a single high visual mistake for the opinion of a players ability.
Poster child was elite 1st comp def Dman Sheldon Souray ( product of NJD HD dman factory) who,s mistakes were video legendary. But he had one of the lowest goal resulting mistakes per 30 shift rates.
It is why I never mocked staples. His approach was like mine.

My favourite was when #7 HD goalie for that year Elliot gave up 2 what would be called weak goals.
In a 4 GAA. But he faced 1.972 games of HD shot density.
Boomer from Sportsnet 960 False eyed and said he was bad.
But baseline performance repeatability was 4GA/1.972gm = 2.028 GA/GM performance.

PQ you are a False Eye Opinionated Fool.

leadfarmer

rickithebear,

Let me guess, Einstein also borrowed your theory of Relativity.

leadfarmer

Kinger_Oil.redux,

Lucic is just slow for his age and these guys, see Ladd Okposo Erickson, don’t age well. Talbot is actually not very old for a starter. Lot of guys in their 30s with starting jobs