Primary Scoring

Among the things we’re searching for this summer is a second scoring line. The No. 1 unit writes itself, and if that doesn’t work we can write another one around 97. It’s that second line, the one without McDavid, that’s the tough one.

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PRIMARY POINTS PER 60, 5-ON-5 2017-18

  • This breaks down (sorted by primary points per 60) in an interesting way.
  • Top three performers could form a No. 1 line (Rattie sample size alert) and the No. 2 line would include a trio of unlikely Oilers draft picks over 13 years.
  • The third trio might be an intersting line, undersized but some speed on the wings.
  • Fourth line candidates offer at least one surprise.
  • The goals per 82 is just this past season. When I do RE, the previous three seasons are a factor. The top trio listed here had almost 100 goals per 82, that would be a massive total in the modern era.
  • I’ve seen a few people in the comments section suggest another 40-goal season by Connor McDavid would be a disappointment. Sidney Crosby has one 40-goal season in his last five, same as Evgeni Malkin. I understand the idea of going supernova, and McDavid may well do it this year. However, reasonable expectations are trying to find normal.
  • Kyle Brodziak shows well here, I wonder if he gets some chances to play above the No. 4 line.

LEON AND RIEDER

  • Leon Draisaitl:It’s really special to be able to play with a German in the NHL and to be able to chat German with one another in the cabin. But not only in the cabin. Also as a player type Tobi will help us, I’m sure. He will fit in well with us. ” (RPOnline).

Todd McLellan thinks in pairs, and Leon Draisaitl is going to need some experience on his wing this winter. In a recent article for The Athletic, I wrote about four internal options and of course Rieder will be a likely option at the beginning of camp.

VACLAV BURDA

A news story today has Oilers amateur scout Vaclav Burda passing away after a car accident. A brief account is here. Burda’s scouting career goes back to Ottawa and Peter Chiarelli’s time there, the Senators had enormous success drafting out of Europe while Burda was with the organization. He was hired by Edmonton August, 2017.

Ostap Safin scored a big goal yesterday at a U20 game between Czech and Switzerland. Safin is a fascinating prospect at an interesting crossroads. He could play another year in the QMJHL or turn pro with the Bakersfield Condors.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think Leon has shown that he can drive offence as a center away from McDavid, even with middling wingers. The issue Leon has had, along with his middling wingers, is giving up too much leading to a negative goal share. Leon himself should improve his 200 foot game but he needs help from his wingers in that area. He’s likely to have either Jesse or Tobias on his wing – Tobias is a solid 2-way player and, while still raw, Jesse has a good head for both ends of the ice.

    I think Leon has a positive 5 on 5 goal share this year.

    I look for an explosion on the PP back to 2016/17 levels.

    P.S. I think Stome’s usage in the top 6 on the wing should be explored but I think that is an unlikely scenario.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pulock signed a 2-year bridge today – will be interesting to find out the AAV.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    There was a nice discussion in yesterday’s blog about Safin playing in the Q vs. the AHL and I don’t think any of us that were discussing could really put a pin on the “right” answer (although each of us were leaning one-way or the other). Sorry to speak for others.

    I am looking forward to seeing him in the camps and in the pre-season – that will likely determine his assignment.

    Do we think the organization has any clout with a team in the Q like the Sea Dogs regarding “forcing” a trade (like they do with the WHL teams)?

  4. Woogie63 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think Leon has shown that he can drive offence as a center away from McDavid, even with middling wingers. The issue Leon has had, along with his middling wingers, is giving up too much leading to a negative goal share. Leon himself should improve his 200 foot game but he needs help from his wingers in that area. He’s likely to have either Jesse or Tobias on his wing – Tobias is a solid 2-way player and, while still raw, Jesse has a good head for both ends of the ice.

    I think Leon has a positive 5 on 5 goal share this year.

    I look for an explosion on the PP back to 2016/17 levels.

    P.S. I think Stome’s usage in the top 6 on the wing should be explored but I think that is an unlikely scenario.

    I like Leon’s offensive production, but he is still learning the defensive side of the game, which is the reason I think he played right winger longer than most anticipated last year.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Woogie63: I like Leon’s offensive production, but he is still learning the defensive side of the game, which is the reason I think he played right winger longer than most anticipated last year.

    It’s also why none of us should be shocked to see Nuge as No. 2 C and Leon as 1R at times this season.

  6. PennersPancakes says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    With all the talk about GF% (which I believe to be useful) is there a way to look at the impact of the goaltending and defending (lack of it)? I totally agree with you that if he has some half decent wingers hes going to push the river in the right direction.

    I’m in the mindset defence is a team job (our forwards like to cheat) but there were definite times with 3 of the top 4 dmen not performing due to injuries/tragedy. This combined with a ~.904(?) save percentage could tank anyones GA. If Oilers had league average SV % what would the picture look like? Including his time with McDavid (as I’m unsure how to exclude that), the difference between Leons GF% and xGF% was 4%.

  7. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide: It’s also why none of us should be shocked to see Nuge as No. 2 C and Leon as 1R at times this season.

    Based on last season I think we can always count on MacLellan’s line combinations being somewhat shocking….

  8. Richard S.S. says:

    If all eight qualify for their respective teams, doesn’t that say something about the caliber of the Oiler prospects? Or is it that hard just finding good enough people to play at that level?

  9. HenryDrix says:

    Strome should definetely be looked at as an option as a winger on a scoring line. The data shared by posters here (thanks btw!) clearly shows that Strome helps with possession and goal share on the top 2 lines. If Leon can slide to RW and Nuge can slide to centre, why box in Strome as 3C? Other 3C candidates could include Brodziak and Khaira. It’s nice to have this kind of versatility, I hope the coaching staff is open minded enough to explore some of these combos. I can also see Khaira growing into a Second line winger (the next Paddy Maroon?).

    Point being, the options for top 2 line wingers are greater than just 93, 27, 8, 98, 56, Tobias.

  10. --hudson-- says:

    RIP Vaclav Burda. Too young and a big blow to the scouting department.

  11. Phil says:

    Just to add to the quoted phrase from this article:
    https://rp-online.de/sport/us-sport/nhl/eishockey-leon-draisailt-freut-sich-auf-tobias-rieder-bei-den-edmonton-oilers_aid-23966681

    In the second paragraph the author mentions that Leon would be starting his personal off season practice on wednesday (tomorrow) in the city of Prague.

  12. Richard S.S. says:

    Lowetide,

    That could be counterproductive? Leon Draisaitl will be the answer for 2nd Line. He will also be the #1 Center, if McDavid needs/must have a day or days off (very bad news). The better Leon is at Center, the better the Oilers will be.

  13. Jaxon says:

    Just playing with lines from a high danger scoring chance percentage angle. The 3 best away from McDavid at High Danger Scoring Chances Percentage are Caggiula (50.24), Nugent-Hopkins (50.85) and Yamamoto (52.63 small sample alert). The next 2 best with McDavid (besides Yamamoto’s 75.76!!) are Strome (65.22) and Puljujarvi (62.02). That leaves Draisaitl with some combo of Rieder, Lucic, Aberg, Kassian or Rattie. I would suggest Rieder and Aberg. Leaving Lucic, Brodziak, and Kassian for the 4th line. Rattie in the press box. Sample size alerts abound!

    Puljujarvi – McDavid – Strome
    Caggiula – Nugent-Hopkins – Yamamoto – only players w/ positive HDCF% w/out McDavid last yr
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Aberg – start with the two Germans together
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian – tough line
    Rattie

    I’m not sure I like this, but it is an interesting place to start.

  14. Lowetide says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Lowetide,

    That could be counterproductive?Leon Draisaitl will be the answer for 2nd Line.He will also be the #1 Center, if McDavid needs/must have a day or days off (very bad news).The better Leon is at Center, the better the Oilers will be.

    If they’re down 3-1 in the second period at home with a 2-5-1 record, I’d bet money Leon and McDavid are playing together.

  15. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: If they’re down 3-1 in the second period at home with a 2-5-1 record, I’d bet money Leon and McDavid are playing together.

    2-5-1 record?

    This place would erupt.

  16. Lowetide says:

    frjohnk: 2-5-1 record?

    This place would erupt.

    Have you seen the schedule? Oh my.

  17. dannyboy says:

    This has been on my mind since tavares signed with the leafs…

    Taylor Hall is a UFA the season after next.

    Do the oilers begin arranging the cap in a way that allows a significant contract offer if he makes itt to free agency?

    Our oilers defense will have improved more so as our core will be more developed after next season. Bouchard Nurse Klef Larson

    Hall has has success with both Nuge and Drai. One of whom will be his partner the other wih Mcdavid. Have our core offense these 4 players.

    We could offer him 11-12 on max term. A similar scenario as toronto with tavares.

    I hope puljujarvi breaks out this year. Yamamotto needs IMO two years AHL. give him the same treatment as johnny hockey. I believe he played broke in older but i could be wrong. Let his body develop well and good and let him dominate the lower pro ranks.

    However, my point is that Hall returning makes sense for the player and the team if both can get over the bad blood.

    It would be a different Hall returning and a different oilers team that he would be coming back to.

  18. Woogie63 says:

    I am not stuck on Nuge playing Left Wing with McDavid, if a legitimate option does not appear from the young right wing guys. I would like;

    Reider-McDavid-Nuge

  19. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: Have you seen the schedule? Oh my.

    Yes. It isn’t pretty. But if that kind of start happens, there will be a shortage of sharpening machines at the hardware stores.

  20. John Chambers says:

    The obvious lines to start the season are:

    Nuge – McDavid – Rattie
    Lucic – Draisaitl – Rieder

    Rattie stays as long as he scores, but when he inevitably slumps the #1 line for the next 4 years should be:

    Nuge – McDavid – Puljujarvi

    Getting JP away from Lucic is key, and with that talent set he should be a 60-point player.

    As for the second line, once Lucic inevitably fails, his replacement is Khaira.

    Khaira – Draisaitl – Rieder has got legs and is a physical force. They can all score.

    Lucic – Strome – Yamamoto/Aberg is how the third line should shape up.

  21. cowboy bill says:

    Give Leon two speedy wingers . Pontus – Leon – Tobias . Like that thought .

    And the fourth line with JJ – Brodz – Kass , will be tremendous .

    It won’t matter who plays with Nuge & McDavid , they will be productive .But I expect Rattie .

    JP can play with Lucic & Strome , If Yamamoto doesn’t beat him to it .

  22. cowboy bill says:

    Lowetide: If they’re down 3-1 in the second period at home with a 2-5-1 record, I’d bet money Leon and McDavid are playing together.

    Nuge-McDavid-Leon

  23. godot10 says:

    Rattie is not a first line player, except as an injury replacement. if Rattie or Caggiula are in the plan for the top six, it is a bad plan and it will fail.

  24. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10:
    Reider is not a first line player, except as an injury replacement. if Reider or Brodziak are in the plan for the top six, it is a bad plan and it will fail.

    FIFY.

  25. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    dannyboy,

    After the trade Hallsy said he’s already made his money, and for his next contract he wants to go somewhere that has got a legit chance to win the Cup.

    We probably wouldn’t have to go much more than Leon’s contract if her were amenable to a return, which would account for inflation since his last contract.

    But would he come back (and does management want him back), that’s the question.

  26. smellyglove says:

    Rickit:

    Maybe you have a friend in Travis Yost, here he is questioning offense from the blueline.

    https://www.tsn.ca/how-much-should-we-care-about-defencemen-scoring-rates-1.1140441

  27. ArmchairGM says:

    John Chambers:
    The obvious lines to start the season are:

    Nuge – McDavid – Rattie
    Lucic – Draisaitl – Rieder

    Rattie stays as long as he scores, but when he inevitably slumps the #1 line for the next 4 years should be:

    Nuge – McDavid – Puljujarvi

    Getting JP away from Lucic is key, and with that talent set he should be a 60-point player.

    As for the second line, once Lucic inevitably fails, his replacement is Khaira.

    Khaira – Draisaitl – Rieder has got legs and is a physical force. They can all score.

    Lucic – Strome – Yamamoto/Aberg is how the third line should shape up.

    Hear, hear!

  28. Brantford Boy says:

    John Chambers,

    Interesting….

  29. Brantford Boy says:

    As per Edmonton Journal:
    Oilers Chief Euro scout Vaclav Burda has died in a car crash 🙁

  30. Professor Q says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    dannyboy,

    After the trade Hallsy said he’s already made his money, and for his next contract he wants to go somewhere that has got a legit chance to win the Cup.

    We probably wouldn’t have to go much more than Leon’s contract if her were amenable to a return, which would account for inflation since his last contract.

    But would he come back (and does management want him back), that’s the question.

    Likely new management at that point? Clean slate and a good story for a return for a Cup?

  31. Professor Q says:

    Brantford Boy,

    That is so sad and unfortunate. I hope his family as well as they can; never good after things like that.

  32. Wilde says:

    In recording for this Leon project, I’ve noticed that to end out the season McLellan just rolled out the lines like this:

    McDavid -> Draisaitl -> Strome -> Khaira

    or

    Draisaitl -> McDavid -> Strome -> Khaira

    With the only exception of if Drai or Strome made a mistake defensively or got scored on, that line missed their next shift.

    Yikes.

  33. Wilde says:

    Love how often this team’s players were scapegoated and ill temperedly diciplined after other teams merely and plainly exploited the defensive systems of the team.

  34. Yeti says:

    smellyglove:
    Rickit:

    Maybe you have a friend in Travis Yost, here he is questioning offense from the blueline.

    https://www.tsn.ca/how-much-should-we-care-about-defencemen-scoring-rates-1.1140441

    People who poke bears with sticks often end up with missing limbs.

  35. Drew says:

    Richard S.S.:
    If all eight qualify for their respective teams, doesn’t that say something about the caliber of the Oiler prospects?Or is it that hard just finding good enough people to play at that level?

    You have to help me out here.

    I read this as; “the Oilers have eight good prospects” or “the prospect population in the world is really poor at the moment”

    Are you trying to make another point?

  36. Jethro Tull says:

    Wilde:
    Love how often this team’s players were scapegoated and ill temperedly diciplined after other teams merely and plainly exploited the defensive systems of the team.

    Accountability? How do you know the HC didn’t say, “I want you guys to watch for the next shift.” Perhaps he didn’t want to double down on a mistake. I get the feeling, after the prose of your post, if he rolled them out straight after getting scored on, it’d be “throwing them to the wolves” or “keeps putting them out there, even though they are making mistakes.”

    You have to watch that implicit bias. It’ll discredit or kill whatever good work you’ve done.

  37. Professor Q says:

    Yeti: People who poke bears with sticks often end up with missing limbs.

    Missing graph curve limbs?

  38. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide: If they’re down 3-1 in the second period at home with a 2-5-1 record, I’d bet money Leon and McDavid are playing together.

    Because it’s the right thing to do or because McLellan has one foot out the door!

  39. Melvis says:

    frjohnk,

    frjohnk: 2-5-1 record?

    This place would erupt.

    You can almost bank on it. I’m guessing 3-4-1.

    In either case, eruption is a certainty.

  40. Bag of Pucks says:

    dannyboy,

    Hall’s on record as saying his next contract/team will be all about the opportunity it gives him to win the Cup. If the Oilers look poised to do so, that might sway Hall in their direction.

    But having now lived out of the fishbowl, I’d suspect he’d look for a larger market team with a comparable shot at contending. All indications are that he is enjoying the perks of living across the bridge from NYC as he’s a big sports fan and the Big Apple has two of everything. The older these lads get, the more they realize there’s a great big world out there.

    Seeing him at the NHL Awards with the Hart Trophy on one arm and a lovely lady on the other, Taylor looked very happy. Seems Jersey is agreeing with him. For that reason, you can’t discount the possibility of NJ retaining him. Club seems like it’s going in the right direction under Shero.

  41. Melvis says:

    “Ash, can you spare a few minutes for a quick trim?”

    “I just gave you a haircut two days ago.”

    “Yeah but, I left the propane on and the cover down. The ignition switch wonked out. So I went off for some paper and matches. WHOMPF. ”

    “You and my husband. What a clown show. What’s left?”

    “Part of an eyebrow. A bit of front, top, and sides. One arm hairless. And a bad smell. I need balance.”

    “Yeah, ok.”

  42. Wilde says:

    Jethro Tull: Accountability?How do you know the HC didn’t say, “I want you guys to watch for the next shift.”Perhaps he didn’t want to double down on a mistake.I get the feeling, after the prose of your post, if he rolled them out straight after getting scored on, it’d be “throwing them to the wolves” or “keeps putting them out there, even though they are making mistakes.”

    You have to watch that implicit bias.It’ll discredit or kill whatever good work you’ve done.

    Ask Gerard Gallant about accountability.

    And I reject the characterisation that I would flip-flop based on what the coach is doing, I’ve hammered on this exact concept in the exact same way for a minute. If you want to accuse someone of implicit bias on a particular issue, it’d be prudent to wait for an actual contradiction to surface.

  43. Profit says:

    Stauffer says Bouchard to Europe on the back of his signing?

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer
    5m5 minutes ago
    More Bob Stauffer Retweeted Edmonton Oilers
    I would be surprised if we didn’t see Bouchard in Europe at the start of the regular season.
    Has the “processor” to play at the NHL level, 3 years in “Pro” environment in London

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard has signed his 3-year ELC today.

    Obviously he’ll receive the max salary/signing bonus for an initial cap hit of $925K.

    It will be interesting to see what level of performance bonuses he has – given the cap space we have, these could potentially impact if he stays in the NHL or heads back to London.

  45. Munny says:

    Profit:
    Stauffer says Bouchard to Europe on the back of his signing?

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer5m5 minutes ago
    More Bob Stauffer Retweeted Edmonton Oilers
    I would be surprised if we didn’t see Bouchard in Europe at the start of the regular season.
    Has the “processor” to play at the NHL level, 3 years in “Pro” environment in London

    Ha!

  46. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Does that mean he’s playing in Sweden or going to be on the oilers roster when they go to Germany?

  47. Profit says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Does that mean he’s playing in Sweden or going to be on the oilers roster when they go to Germany?

    That’s a good question. That’s not how I originally read it – I read it as in he’d play in Europe / not the NHL. But you might be right…

  48. Jethro Tull says:

    Wilde: Ask Gerard Gallant about accountability.

    1) Yeah, because he’s on my speed-dial. We’re BFF’s.

    2) Why? Should I ask the Panther’s Gallant or the Knight’s Gallant? So a different HC has a different style. Nice.

  49. Munny says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Does that mean he’s playing in Sweden or going to be on the oilers roster when they go to Germany?

    Now that I’ve read the tweet a couple of times, I think he means the latter. Be a good question to tweet back to him if anyone here is on the twitters.

  50. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – awhile ago I speculated that for Kailer he could go to ahl and get in 9 games in and not burn a year

    – that was shot down here. Turns out as per Gregor they can do this given his birthdate

    – that would be great for development. Hopefully Rattie reider caggs Khaira aberg are enough to block him. Pool is the only tweener this year would be great. I

  51. flea says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    I read it as – Bouchard makes the trip to Europe with the team. The Oilers will definitely be making early cuts this year with their Europe trip. I bet they only bring 30 skaters max, maybe even less.

  52. pts2pndr says:

    Jethro Tull: 1) Yeah, because he’s on my speed-dial.We’re BFF’s.

    2) Why? Should I ask the Panther’s Gallant or the Knight’s Gallant?So a different HC has a different style.Nice.

    I think you have it. Coach McLellan’s style goes back to the days of the six team league! The generation he is dealing with no longer responds to his style! It works only for a very short time if at all! Today it is all about communication and leadership! That Is the way of a coach such as Gallant. I believe the results of said coaches speak volumes!

  53. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    pts2pndr,

    Mike Babcock says hi

  54. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    dannyboy,

    Hall’s on record as saying his next contract/team will be all about the opportunity it gives him to win the Cup. If the Oilers look poised to do so, that might sway Hall in their direction.

    But having now lived out of the fishbowl, I’d suspect he’d look for a larger market team with a comparable shot at contending. All indications are that he is enjoying the perks of living across the bridge from NYC as he’s a big sports fan and the Big Apple has two of everything. The older these lads get, the more they realize there’s a great big world out there.

    Seeing him at the NHL Awards with the Hart Trophy on one arm and a lovely lady on the other, Taylor looked very happy. Seems Jersey is agreeing with him. For that reason, you can’t discount the possibility of NJ retaining him. Club seems like it’s going in the right direction under Shero.

    Turns out Shero’s big mistake in Pittsburgh was sticking with Bylsma, and not promoting Hynes.

  55. Justthestatsman says:

    Melvis:
    “Ash, can you spare a few minutes for a quick trim?”

    “I just gave you a haircut two days ago.”

    “Yeah but, I left the propane on and the cover down. The ignition switch wonked out. So I went off for some paper and matches. WHOMPF. ”

    “You and my husband. What a clown show. What’s left?”

    “Part of an eyebrow. A bit of front, top, and sides. One arm hairless. And a bad smell. I need balance.”

    “Yeah, ok.”

    Well done. If you’ll excuse me, I now need to sanitize my monitor and keyboard.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    HenryDrix:
    Strome should definetely be looked at as an option as a winger on a scoring line.The data shared by posters here (thanks btw!) clearly shows that Strome helps with possession and goal share on the top 2 lines.If Leon can slide to RW and Nuge can slide to centre, why box in Strome as 3C?Other 3C candidates could include Brodziak and Khaira.It’s nice to have this kind of versatility, I hope the coaching staff is open minded enough to explore some of these combos. I can also see Khaira growing into a Second line winger (the next Paddy Maroon?).

    Point being, the options for top 2 line wingers are greater than just 93, 27, 8, 98, 56, Tobias.

    Yes, Strome can only really be played in the top 6 on the wing if we have a viable option to replace him at 3C.

    I’m not sure a 34 year old slow skating Brodziak is a good idea. The hope (or my hope) is that Khaira is the man for that job, however, at this point, I think that’s asking a bit much of him. He hasn’t played much center at the NHL level and, lets not forget, last year at this time he wasn’t even established as an every day NHL player.

    I also like the potential for Khaira on wing in the middle 6 (however, I’m OK moving him off the wing if Strome is moved to it).

    Of course, Nugent-Hopkins as 3C is an option as well……

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: If they’re down 3-1 in the second period at home with a 2-5-1 record, I’d bet money Leon and McDavid are playing together.

    I can guarantee that will not happen…….. they are on the road in Nashville for Game 9!

  58. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bouchard has signed his 3-year ELC today.

    Obviously he’ll receive the max salary/signing bonus for an initial cap hit of $925K.

    It will be interesting to see what level of performance bonuses he has – given the cap space we have, these could potentially impact if he stays in the NHL or heads back to London.

    The more interesting thing to watch for would be who gets the short stick when Bouchard is in the lineup given all the D are healthy! I can see him getting third pairing with Sekera but then which of Benning or Russel sits. It could be a lot like the three goalie scenario as far as keeping everbody happy. Assuming they keep Bouchard as the seventh D is that the proper way to develope him? Should be interesting!

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    Profit:
    Stauffer says Bouchard to Europe on the back of his signing?

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer5m5 minutes ago
    More Bob Stauffer Retweeted Edmonton Oilers
    I would be surprised if we didn’t see Bouchard in Europe at the start of the regular season.
    Has the “processor” to play at the NHL level, 3 years in “Pro” environment in London

    I think he means with the Oilers in Sweden (i.e. he breaks camp with the team).

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: Now that I’ve read the tweet a couple of times, I think he means the latter.Be a good question to tweet back to him if anyone here is on the twitters.

    I’m highly confident he was getting at Bouchard being on the Oilers to start the season – he did word it poorly though.

  61. pts2pndr says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    pts2pndr,

    Mike Babcock says hi

    Mike is having rumoured problems with some of his young players. He won one Stanley in 2008/09. Almost a decade ago. Will be interesting to see how the leafs do this year. The pressure will be on as they will go into this season as one of the favourites!

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – awhile ago I speculated that for Kailer he could go to ahl and get in 9 games in and not burn a year

    – that was shot down here. Turns out as per Gregor they can do this given his birthdate

    – that would be great for development. Hopefully Rattie reider caggs Khaira aberg are enough to block him. Pool is the only tweener this year would be great. I

    Yes, as per Section 9.1(b)(ii) of the CBA (providing for a second slide).

    Of course, he very well could play in the AHL this year although I’d be pretty surprised if he doesn’t play 10 NHL games – I think its unlikely.

    In any event, I would posit that it is often better to have the first year of that ELC burned as it will likely make the second contract cheaper (as the player won’t be as developed and established) – although the 2nd contract (which will have a raise) will come a year sooner. This is not always the case but often.

    The 40 game on the NHL roster (not games played but games on the roster) is the more important threshold – its the threshold for a year of service towards UFA status.

  63. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – awhile ago I speculated that for Kailer he could go to ahl and get in 9 games in and not burn a year

    – that was shot down here. Turns out as per Gregor they can do this given his birthdate

    – that would be great for development. Hopefully Rattie reider caggs Khaira aberg are enough to block him. Pool is the only tweener this year would be great. I

    Pool is the only tweener? By my eye 3/5 players you listed there are tweeners (or should be)

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: The more interesting thing to watch for would be who gets the short stick when Bouchard is in the lineup given all the D are healthy! I can see him getting third pairing with Sekera but then which of Benning or Russel sits. It could be a lot like the three goalie scenario as far as keeping everbody happy. Assuming they keep Bouchard as the seventh D is that the proper way to develope him? Should be interesting!

    If they keep Bouchard to start the season (likely), I don’t think he plays every game (unless he’s knocking it out of the park) and I don’t think there is any harm in slow playing him for the first month of the season.

    I think they might carry 8D through Europe and the Eastern road trip.

    We don’t really have a good 14th forward anyways (assuming Yamamoto starts the year in Bakersfield).

    Of course, injuries……

  65. Revolved says:

    Jaxon:
    Just playing with lines from a high danger scoring chance percentage angle. The 3 best away from McDavid at High Danger Scoring Chances Percentage are Caggiula (50.24), Nugent-Hopkins (50.85) and Yamamoto (52.63 small sample alert). The next 2 best with McDavid (besides Yamamoto’s 75.76!!) are Strome (65.22) and Puljujarvi (62.02). That leaves Draisaitl with some combo of Rieder, Lucic, Aberg, Kassian or Rattie. I would suggest Rieder and Aberg. Leaving Lucic, Brodziak, and Kassian for the 4th line. Rattie in the press box. Sample size alerts abound!

    Puljujarvi – McDavid – Strome
    Caggiula – Nugent-Hopkins – Yamamoto – only players w/ positive HDCF% w/out McDavid last yr
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Aberg – start with the two Germans together
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian – tough line
    Rattie

    I’m not sure I like this, but it is an interesting place to start.

    Although I don’t love the lines you suggest overall, I do wonder why RNH is assumed to be with McDavid with Strome at 3C. We have three very strong centres, and I think they should be deployed as such at the start of games when everyone is healthy.

    Line pairs with CF%, GF% and TOI from NST
    1) XXX – McDavid – Puljujarvi : 54.6, 61.9, 257
    2) Lucic – RNH – XXX : 50.5, 56.0, 314
    3) XXX – Draisaitl – Strome : 53.3, 60.0, 193

    Woodguy pointed out the Lucic RNH result earlier as well, and since McLellan likes to roll lines I think these leave the least exposed. if I were to pick the XXXs for each line I would do 1) Aberg, 2) Khaira and 3) Reider, with the assumption that RNH was getting tough minutes, while Draisaitl was getting soft ones. The first two had very nice results in small samples.

  66. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: If they keep Bouchard to start the season (likely), I don’t think he plays every game (unless he’s knocking it out of the park) and I don’t think there is any harm in slow playing him for the first month of the season.

    I think they might carry 8D through Europe and the Eastern road trip.

    We don’t really have a good 14th forward anyways (assuming Yamamoto starts the year in Bakersfield).

    Of course, injuries……

    When teams start the season with games in Europe do they get to take an expanded roster or are they restricted to 23 bodies? Carrying eight D early in the year would only exacerbate the problem!

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: When teams start the season with games in Europe do they get to take an expanded roster or are they restricted to 23 bodies? Carrying eight D early in the year would only exacerbate the problem!

    I don’t believe there is any expanded roster.

    I don’t think it would be a problem – Gravel is the other d-man and he doesn’t need to play unless there are injuries.

  68. pts2pndr says:

    ArmchairGM: Hear, hear!

    I like the lines too only change I would like would be Kassian on right sid of Lucic Strome line. That would give us a heavy in your face third line!

  69. commonfan29 says:

    dannyboy: We could offer him 11-12 on max term. A similar scenario as toronto with tavares.

    For me, the one and only good thing about the Hall trade is that we wouldn’t be the team faced with giving him this kind of third contract for his 30-36 year old seasons.

    With his injury history, he could easily not age very well.

  70. RonnieB says:

    Pulock signed for 2 x $2 million AAV today. What does that do to the Nurse negotiations ?

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan Pulock’s deal is 2 X $2M – that’s got to be great news as a comparable for Nurse – he had 10G and over 30 points this past season.

    Its structured so that he makes $2.6M in the 2nd year, presumably has the required QO will be based off that salary.

  72. Munny says:

    Completely Off Topic, but not Off Track…

    Don’t know if anyone has heard of Kendall Ellis (VOR probably has), but she’s going to be a Track & Field Goddess on the international stage. She runs the 400 for USC.

    I know we all love the video of our favourite women’s hurdler warming up, but this is one of the most incredible relay legs you will ever see:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9XUf0FGCTs

  73. dannyboy says:

    Thanks for the feedback regarding Hall. I think he would be a good fit to put us over the edge. Haha. But thats obvious.

  74. Munny says:

    RonnieB,

    OriginalPouzar,

    That is great news. And perhaps a shoe certain parties were waiting to drop. Games Played will probably push Nurse’s higher but it is a great starting point.

  75. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Ryan Pulock’s deal is 2 X $2M – that’s got to be great news as a comparable for Nurse – he had 10G and over 30 points this past season.
    Edit: He was also a rookie this year as he only played 16 NHL games in the first 2 years of his ELC.

    Its structured so that he makes $2.6M in the 2nd year, presumably has the required QO will be based off that salary.

    Impressive that his production was in just 68 games played and included 5G, 6A on the PP.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    I haven’t dug in to Pulock to much in a while but he had 10G and 32P in only 68 games.

    He was about 50% Corsi but over 3 CorsiRel.

    He was 51% goal share and a massive 7 GF%Rel.

    How can Nurse demand materially more on a similar term bridge?

  77. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I haven’t dug in to Pulock to much in a while but he had 10G and 32P in only 68 games.

    He was about 50% Corsi but over 3 CorsiRel.

    He was 51% goal share and a massive 7 GF%Rel.

    How can Nurse demand materially more on a similar term bridge?

    Also, Pulock was a rookie this year since he only had 16 NHL games in the first 2 years of his ELC.

  78. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Like the agent has mentioned, they’re paying 2.5 for a unproven back up goaltender.

    No way is this agent letting Nurse get bridge for under 3, even then it will be closer to 4.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t disagree, I still think its going to well over $3M for a 2 year term but, on the surface and with a small amount of research, it shouldn’t be that much higher that Pulock – it likely will be but it shouldn’t be.

  80. Brantford Boy says:

    I agree 🙂

  81. HenryDrix says:

    OriginalPouzar: If they keep Bouchard to start the season (likely), I don’t think he plays every game (unless he’s knocking it out of the park) and I don’t think there is any harm in slow playing him for the first month of the season.

    I think they might carry 8D through Europe and the Eastern road trip.

    We don’t really have a good 14th forward anyways (assuming Yamamoto starts the year in Bakersfield).

    Of course, injuries……

    I like the idea of keeping Bouchard dressed as 7th dman and use him on the PP (home and away) and some soft minutes on home games, and go from there. I really hope he is ready sooner rather than later!

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard’s performance bonuses are $500K, $850K, $850K.

    Their potential to vest and create a cap penalty (depending on Nurse’s eventual cap hit and how much room we have), may be a factor in his deployment.

  83. Scungilli Slushy says:

    After the signings of Henrique and Lindholm it seems to me if Lucic can get more than 40 points his salary isn’t out of line with theirs. Good news if he regresses, he either helps or is more desirable to others given he would remain the league’s premiere power forward.

  84. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bouchard’s performance bonuses are $500K, $850K, $850K.

    Their potential to vest and create a cap penalty (depending on Nurse’s eventual cap hit and how much room we have), may be a factor in his deployment.

    I think taking a cap penalty given they can offload salary next summer wouldn’t be the worst outcome as it would mean Bouchard did really well.

  85. Lowetide says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I think taking a cap penalty given they can offload salary next summer wouldn’t be the worst outcome as it would mean Bouchard did really well.

    I agree with that take, we’re really dealing with just one more monster bonus contract, that being the final year of Jesse Puljujarvi.

  86. Pescador says:

    RNH-McDavid-Puljujarvi.
    Khaira-Draisaitl-Reider
    Run these young legs, you will be rewarded.
    Good riddance to hurt feelings!

  87. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide: I agree with that take, we’re really dealing with just one more monster bonus contract, that being the final year of Jesse Puljujarvi.

    I’m hoping that they don’t keep Bouchard unless he clearly wins a job and they can move Luc or Russell. I wouldn’t trade Sekera if he’s recovered and they hopefully are on that.

    It will create more trouble than it’s worth, and it will mean sitting him or an NHL regular which either harms him or the older player’s value.

  88. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I feel the same way about Yamamoto. If he isn’t clearly taking someone’s job put him in the A and let Aberg Cagguila Khaira Rattie battle it out. KY can be called if nobody wants to step up. There is enough on the roster with 5 NHL centres (whoooot!) to find lines that work well enough.

    Assuming that the coaches will choose to be more flexible and creative.

  89. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: I agree with that take, we’re really dealing with just one more monster bonus contract, that being the final year of Jesse Puljujarvi.

    I really hope he stays with the team longer than that…

  90. Lowetide says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I feel the same way about Yamamoto. If he isn’t clearly taking someone’s job put him in the A and let Aberg Cagguila Khaira Rattie battle it out. KY can be called if nobody wants to step up. There is enough on the roster with 5 NHL centres (whoooot!) to find lines that work well enough.

    Assuming that the coaches will choose to be more flexible and creative.

    I agree, but would add that “taking” a job from Aberg, Caggiula is probably within his grasp if they’re playing on a skill line. Put another way, I don’t think Yamamoto is applying for the same job as those two and if he is, then I sure as hell hope Yamamoto wins the day.

  91. rickithebear says:

    smellyglove:
    Rickit:

    Maybe you have a friend in Travis Yost, here he is questioning offense from the blueline.

    https://www.tsn.ca/how-much-should-we-care-about-defencemen-scoring-rates-1.1140441

    I sent him my full list months ago. might have been more than a year.
    I would have to go back and look at the specific date.
    Go back on all his articles.

  92. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide: I agree, but would add that “taking” a job from Aberg, Caggiula is probably within his grasp if they’re playing on a skill line. Put another way, I don’t think Yamamoto is applying for the same job as those two and if he is, then I sure as hell hope Yamamoto wins the day.

    True. I’m not a fan of rookies playing top line minutes because of defensive issues, but that is also largely due to how Todd has made lines. if Nuge is with Connor there is cover for JP or Yama hopefully.

    As I’ve said before if it’s Lucic I don’t think it will work because I think Lucic needs stable experienced players to do what he does best hopefully still.

    I’m also not a fan of topnlines carrying tweeners. Either put an experienced player there or an asset. I know you’ve mentioned it, Rattie either finds his groove or it’s back to the Bake methinks. Perhaps 3rd line with Strome.

  93. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide: I agree, but would add that “taking” a job from Aberg, Caggiula is probably within his grasp if they’re playing on a skill line. Put another way, I don’t think Yamamoto is applying for the same job as those two and if he is, then I sure as hell hope Yamamoto wins the day.

    Actually I would say Rattie Cagguila and Aberg are competing for the same job. Maybe DC can survive bottom 6, I doubt he can and Rattie/ Aberg won’t. They’ll go to Europe.

  94. 106 and 106 says:

    Lowetide,

    2-5-1 ia generoua, LT!

    I have them at 2 – 7.

    Their toughest Schedule is right off the bat, the schedule that Todd M and Chia will have to push their careers in is a tough boat:

    06/10: Oilers vs. Devils (Sweden) – Win
    12/10: Bruins vs. Oilers (away) – Loss
    13/10: Rangers vs. Oilers (away) – Win
    17/10: Jets vs Oilers (away) – Loss
    19/10: Bruins vs. Oilers (home) – Loss
    21/10: Preds vs. Oilers (home) – Loss
    24/10: Penguins vs. Oilers (home) – Loss
    26/10: Capitals vs. Oilers (home) – Loss
    27/10: Preds vs. Oilers (away – what?) – Loss

  95. BONE207 says:

    Pescador:
    RNH-McDavid-Puljujarvi.
    Khaira-Draisaitl-Reider
    Run these young legs, you will be rewarded.
    Good riddance to hurt feelings!

    Winning supersedes hurt feelings. Tough to say play me when things are working out. Especially for us 3rd tier guys.

  96. Bank Shot says:

    Anyone know where a guy could find the special teams differentials for NHL teams for last season?

    Oilers were about -20 I believe.

    I assume that has to be the worst or close to it.

    It would be nice to see a ranked list 1-30.

  97. BONE207 says:

    106 and 106:
    Lowetide,

    2-5-1 ia generoua, LT!

    I have them at 2 – 7.

    Their toughest Schedule is right off the bat, the schedule that Todd M and Chia will have to push their careers in is a tough boat:

    06/10: Oilers vs. Devils (Sweden) – Win
    12/10: Bruins vs. Oilers (away) – Loss
    13/10: Rangers vs. Oilers (away) – Win
    17/10: Jets vs Oilers (away) – Loss
    19/10: Bruins vs. Oilers (home) – Loss
    21/10: Preds vs. Oilers (home) – Loss
    24/10:Penguins vs. Oilers (home) – Loss
    26/10: Capitals vs. Oilers (home) – Loss
    27/10: Preds vs. Oilers (away – what?) – Loss

    Everyone healthy, hungry & looking to turn things around.Coaches, players and management. If they can work like John Tonelli, they should be off to a great start. Connor needs more trophies.

  98. BONE207 says:

    Bank Shot:
    Anyone know where a guy could find the special teams differentials for NHL teams for last season?

    Oilers were about -20 I believe.

    I assume that has to be the worst or close to it.

    It would be nice to see a ranked list 1-30.

    Try this…

    https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/team-stats?season=2017&category=SPECIAL+TEAMS&group=1&time=0&pos=0&team=1&page=1

  99. Bank Shot says:

    smellyglove:
    Rickit:

    Maybe you have a friend in Travis Yost, here he is questioning offense from the blueline.

    https://www.tsn.ca/how-much-should-we-care-about-defencemen-scoring-rates-1.1140441

    The difference lies in that a good forward typically plays with other good forwards so they create a lot of offence while on the ice together.

    A good defenceman plays with good forwards some of the time, and other times plays with not so good forwards.

    Mcdavid’s individual shooting % at ES over the last few years is about 14%. Letestu’s is 7%. A great offensive defenseman plays a lot more with Letestu than Mcdavid does.

    It’s going to skew the numbers.

  100. Bank Shot says:

    BONE207: Try this…

    https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/team-stats?season=2017&category=SPECIAL+TEAMS&group=1&time=0&pos=0&team=1&page=1

    Thanks, but it doesn’t really help.
    I’m looking for something where the math is already done. PP goals – PK goals with Shorthanded for and against tallied in to give a final +/-.

  101. VOR says:

    Munny:
    Completely Off Topic, but not Off Track…

    Don’t know if anyone has heard of Kendall Ellis (VOR probably has), but she’s going to be a Track & Field Goddess on the international stage.She runs the 400 for USC.

    I know we all love the video of our favourite women’s hurdler warming up, but this is one of the most incredible relay legs you will ever see:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9XUf0FGCTs

    I have actually seen Kendall run live. I don’t coach 400 but there is a circuit for developing track and field stars. So I have been coaching other people at events where she ran 200 and 400.

    I would have said she just isn’t fast enough to be of much interest.

    Kendall just slips into the top ten women in USC’s history in the 200 and 400 and has yet to crack the top 100 all time among American women in those events. Kendall is struggling to make the US National Team on a consistent basis.

    I am guessing she didn’t hurt her chances on June 10th. That is the date of the NCAA Track and Field Championships if memory serves. I didn’t go this year because of my weird health problems.

    Kendall started her day by running a guts out 400 final near her person best, in terrible weather conditions, slippery track, rain, wind. She gets the Silver. Then she helps her team win I think it was the bronze in the 4 X 100. Then ends her day running what is arguably one of the greatest relay legs in the history of women’s sprinting and she ran it while still full of lactic acid from her earlier 400 race. Every step had to be agony. It is an incredible performance and it won USC a NCAA title.

    That said it is unlikely Kendall will make it to the next level. She truly isn’t that fast. But I do admire how she keeps coming up big when it matters most.

    Also just for perspective. Her Wingate would have been the best at this year’s NHL combine.

  102. Munny says:

    VOR,

    What do they man by “world leading time”, VOR (honest question). I see that phrase associated with Ellis. But not sure why as she is over a second off the US record and 2 off the world record (which has an East German asterisk).

  103. BONE207 says:

    Bank Shot: Thanks, but it doesn’t really help.
    I’m looking for something where the math is already done. PP goals – PK goals with Shorthanded for and against tallied in to give a final +/-.

    From that chart: Edmonton…31 PPG for, 11 SHG for, 57 PPG against, 5 SHG against Total is -20 goals

  104. BONE207 says:

    BONE207: From that chart: Edmonton…31 PPG for, 11 SHG for, 57 PPG against, 5 SHG against Total is -20 goals

    Edmonton biggest issue: Only 31 PPG. Other bad teams had closer to or over 40. Oilers gave up 57 PPG. They were -26 off the hop. The 11 SHG for helped reduce that woeful amount. Ottawa, Detroit & Buffalo gave up close to the same as EDM but they scored on the powerplay.

    Shirley…we will be better next year, won’t we???

  105. Bank Shot says:

    BONE207: From that chart: Edmonton…31 PPG for, 11 SHG for, 57 PPG against, 5 SHG against Total is -20 goals

    Yeah. I was wondering how it compares to the other 30 NHL teams and I don’t feel like doing the math for every team.

  106. BONE207 says:

    Bank Shot: Yeah. I was wondering how it compares to the other 30 NHL teams and I don’t feel like doing the math for every team.

    Don’t you dare!!! I started to and -15 was the worst I found. It will make you sad…

  107. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Bank Shot: Thanks, but it doesn’t really help.
    I’m looking for something where the math is already done. PP goals – PK goals with Shorthanded for and against tallied in to give a final +/-.

    Oilers had the following:
    – 31 PP goals
    – 57 PP goals against
    – 11 short-handed goals
    – 5 short-handed goals against

    31 – 57 + 11 – 5 = (-20)
    What would be (-26) if shorties aren’t counted

    The worst 10 teams are:

    Team./ PPDiff. / PPDiff(w/o SHG). / PIMDiff(‘+’ is bad)
    ——- / ——— / ——————- / ————
    EDM – (-20). / (-26) / *(+132) !!!
    OTT – (-17). / (-15) / (-25)
    MTL – (-15). / (-16) / (-15)
    CBJ – (-15). / (-13) / (-35)
    STL – (-14). / (-10) / (-41)
    DET – (-13). / (-17) / (+45)
    ARZ – (-13). / (-5) / (-36)
    NYI – (-11). / (-5) / (-24)
    VAN – (-10). / (-7) / (+53)
    DAL – (-10). / (-7) / (+45)

    Yeah, Oilers special teams was pretty terrible….

    EDIT: added PIM Differential to show how much the Oilers got hosed

    Somehow Nashville had a an even worse PIMDiff than the Oilers at (+137) but still got a (+9) PPDiff.
    Nashville. is. Good.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Oilers had the worst PP percentage but also the least amount of PP opportunities – that was terrible.

    Its a good thing that team PP performance often varies wildly from one year to the next.

    PK was the best in the NHL from February 1 through the rest of the year – the only deletion, I believe, is Pakarinan.

  109. VOR says:

    Munny:
    VOR,

    What do they man by “world leading time”, VOR (honest question). I see that phrase associated with Ellis.But not sure why as she is over a second off the US record and 2 off the world record (which has an East German asterisk).

    It means the best time run so far this year and “processed”. There are actually a bunch of rules and paper work and certification required to get on the world rankings. Many countries process once a year, after their national championships. Obviously being world leading at the end of the year means something. But earlier in the year it can be misleading.

    At this time of year for example many of the world leading times will be NCAA athletes because the serious outdoor track season hasn’t begun yet and the NCAA championships are the best comepitition held yet this year. The NCAA has Olympic quality officials, the best equipment, and a huge incentive to submit results quickly so they can toot their own horn. As the serious season begins in earnest most of the NCAA athletes who were world leading in May and June fade right out of the rankings. They are replaced by people who are tenths or hundredths of a second one one side or the other of the world record.

    I hope that answers your question.

  110. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    GMB3: Pool is the only tweener? By my eye 3/5 players you listed there are tweeners (or should be)

    – by tweener I mean that pool has not established his upside

    – Aberg, Caggs, Reider, Cami, Kassian: we know that if they play 82 games, they are going to get 20-35 points, warts and all. That’s the floor for Pool.

    – So I think the org has set this up so those guys and their production is Pool’ “floor”: if he is only ready for that production, you coach him up a develop him, while those more established albeit sub-optimal players are there as a proxy untill he’s better.

    – Optimal development is only one guy tyring to smash through that proxy than both Kailer and Pool this year IMO: Both their ceiling is higher than those guys IMO: so block them untill proven

  111. VOR says:

    VOR: It means the best time run so far this year and “processed”. There are actually a bunch of rules and paper work and certification required to get on the world rankings. Many countries process once a year, after their national championships. Obviously being world leading at the end of the year means something. But earlier in the year it can be misleading.

    At this time of year for example many of the world leading times will be NCAA athletes because the serious outdoor track season hasn’t begun yet and the NCAA championships are the best comepitition held yet this year. The NCAA has Olympic quality officials, the best equipment, and a huge incentive to submit results quickly so they can toot their own horn. As the serious season begins in earnest most of the NCAA athletes who were world leading in May and June fade right out of the rankings. They are replaced by people who are tenths or hundredths of a second one one side or the other of the world record.

    I hope that answers your question.

    The exception to this general rule is the women’s 400 meter world record. If you can get within a second and a half of it you will probably have the best time of 2018. The record was set by Marita Koch. In I think it was 1985. Nobody has got close since. East Germany was, in the mid 80s, systematically doping their athletes. But IAAF has a ten year statute of limitations and so unless Marita asks to have her name removed it will stand, forever marked with an asterisk.

  112. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    godot10:
    Rattie is not a first line player, except as an injury replacement. if Rattie or Caggiula are in the plan for the top six, it is a bad plan and it will fail.

    – Maroon on paper was the same: fat, lazy, slow, kicked off skill lines who they had to pay to trade: Last chance for him, he knew it. Rattie same boat, and he was far more prolific in Junoir, dude was a stud: way more scoring skills: you just don’t know…

    – Maroon scored 8 goals in 16 games when he joined the Oil, and was gifted spot with CmD. Then he got 42 points. Rattie scored 5 goals in 14: why can’t he do just as well this year?

  113. Wilde says:

    Just reaching the ‘Cammaleri 4C games’ which had sat away from the forefront of my memories – I think the fact that those games happened, along with the Brodziak acquisition, raises the probability that we see Khaira at 2/3LW this season.

    In my mind in Todd’s mind it goes Nuge & Looch and then everyone else, and we know he favours Caggiula, but somethingwe also know is that they look at on-ice goals for and against. Khaira’s got the better number there, so I think we may see upward mobility from him.

    That’s if they’re not wiping the slate clean, wouldn’t blame them for that, not one bit.

    (you can edit this out if you want Lowetide, but there’s a rumour from a source very close to Ty Rattie that alleges we might see the best version of Ty there’s ever been coming into camp)

    If I had to throw down some coins and bet aller-nothin on every spot on the lineup coming into Scandinavia, I’d go with this:

    Nugent-Hopkins – McDavid – Rattie

    Lucic – Draisaitl – Rieder

    Khaira – Strome – Puljujarvi

    Caggiula – Brodziak – Kassian

    – This isn’t my preference, I’ve posted what mine is before, but I like this just fine

    – You have Caggiula over Aberg for 4LW, don’t think any of you weight the coin the other way do you?

    – Lucic will absolutely get that shot.

    – If Brodziak’s boots have left him, that 4th line will be deja vu, the wingers are bad on coverage and poor at picking a rim-rounded puck off the wall and doing something good with it before the D gets on them

    – You wonder how much Chiarelli’s talked to Todd about deployment after hearing it brought up in the exit-interview period, you also wonder where that conversation went with regards to
    Yamamoto and where it goes this fall

  114. Bank Shot says:

    VOR: The exception to this general rule is the women’s 400 meter world record. If you can get within a second and a half of it you will probably have the best time of 2018. The record was set by Marita Koch. In I think it was 1985. Nobody has got close since. East Germany was, in the mid 80s, systematically doping their athletes. But IAAF has a ten year statute of limitations and so unless Marita asks to have her name removed it will stand, forever marked with an asterisk.

    She probably had a Koch.

  115. Bank Shot says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: Oilers had the following:
    – 31 PP goals
    – 57 PP goals against
    – 11 short-handed goals
    – 5 short-handed goals against

    31 – 57 + 11 – 5 = (-20)
    What would be (-26) if shorties aren’t counted

    The worst 10 teams are:

    Team./PPDiff. / PPDiff(w/o SHG). /PIMDiff(‘+’ is bad)
    ——- /———/——————- / ————
    EDM – (-20). / (-26) / *(+132) !!!
    OTT –(-17)./ (-15) /(-25)
    MTL –(-15)./ (-16) /(-15)
    CBJ –(-15). / (-13) / (-35)
    STL – (-14)./(-10)/(-41)
    DET –(-13)./ (-17) /(+45)
    ARZ –(-13)./ (-5) /(-36)
    NYI – (-11)./ (-5) /(-24)
    VAN –(-10)./ (-7) /(+53)
    DAL –(-10)./ (-7) /(+45)

    Yeah, Oilers special teams was pretty terrible….

    EDIT: added PIM Differential to show how much the Oilers got hosed

    Somehow Nashville had a an even worse PIMDiff than the Oilers at (+137) but still got a (+9) PPDiff.
    Nashville. is. Good.

    Thanks! Did you get this from somewhere or did you just do all the math?

  116. VOR says:

    VOR: The exception to this general rule is the women’s 400 meter world record. If you can get within a second and a half of it you will probably have the best time of 2018. The record was set by Marita Koch. In I think it was 1985. Nobody has got close since. East Germany was, in the mid 80s, systematically doping their athletes. But IAAF has a ten year statute of limitations and so unless Marita asks to have her name removed it will stand, forever marked with an asterisk.

    This year world leading means a bit more because the Commonwealth Games were held so early. The woman to beat in the 400 was Shaunae Miller-Uibo. Last year Miller-Uibo was #1 in the world in both 200 and 400 meters. In 2016 she won the Gold Medal at the Rio Olympics.

    Kendall Lewis was half a second slower and didn’t make her Olympic team. Lewis did win a Gold Medal in the 4×400 at the 2017 World Championships. But she couldn’t get out of the heats in the individual event.

    This year, as of May 18 Kendall was ranked #1 in the world. Then May 26th Miller-Uibo took over #1 by a half second. Half a second doesn’t seem like much but it is a yawning gulf in sprinting.

    Remarkably Miller-Ubio’s best time is 1.5 seconds off Marita Koch’s World Record.

  117. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar: How can Nurse demand materially more on a similar term bridge?

    I think one playing #1D minutes (Nurse @18.77 5v5 TOI) against the toughest competition and one playing as a #5D minutes (Pulock @ 15.78 5v5 TOI) against the weakest competition is material.

  118. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Justthestatsman: Well done.If you’ll excuse me, I now need to sanitize my monitor and keyboard.

    “Well done.”

    I laughed

  119. 106 and 106 says:

    BONE207,

    Sure, but every team is hungry – and these teams are President Trophy winners, Cup winners and playoff contenders.

    The strength of competition of the bat is fierce.

    Who are they beating in the first 10?

  120. Nix says:

    Sometimes I think potential lines are pretty simple and break down perfectly balanced with handedness and skill tiers once you look past a certain well paid winger and defenceman. If Im Emperor, this is decreed:

    RNH-McD-Yamamoto (guys with first line talent)
    Rieder-Drai-Puljujarvi (dudes with second line talent)
    Caggiula-Strome-Aberg (bros with third line talent)
    Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian (peoplekind with fourth line talent)

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Sekera-Bouchard

    Seems fairly straightforward & zero qualms going into battle with this lineup. Just play the young men and throw the blender into Mount Doom because I personally dont care about mistakes from the kids as long as they work hard, have fun, and try to play artful hockey. Gripping sticks fearing error because of a triggerfinger coach doesnt seem productive at all and it just doesnt seem to produce enjoyable product on the ice. The compulsive line tinkering last year was bizarre and never really helped anything in the end.

  121. rickithebear says:

    rickithebear:
    RICKITHEBEARsays:
    July 16, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    15-16:
    16th best team 221GF
    17th best team 219GF
    EDM #25 203 gf (-18)

    16th best team 222 GA
    17th best team 224 GA
    EDM #27 245 GA (-23)

    16th best team (-4) GD
    17th best team (-11) GD
    PAC Div winner (+26) GD
    WC Wild Card(+10) GD
    EDM #28(-42) GD

    16-17
    16th best team 226GF
    17th best team 223GF
    EDM #8 247 GF (+21)

    16th best team 227 GA
    17th best team 234 GA
    EDM #8 212 GA (+15)

    16th best team (+5)GD
    17th best team (-1) GD
    PAC Div winner (+23) GD
    WC Wild Card(+5) GD
    EDM #6 (+35) GD

    17-18
    16th best team 242 GF
    17th best team 239 GF
    EDM #20 234 GF (-8)

    16th best team 243GA
    17th best team 245GA
    EDM #25 263 GA (-20)

    16th best team (-4) GD
    17th best team (-11) GD
    PAC Div winner (+44) GD
    WC Wild Card(+20) GD
    EDM #28(-29) GD

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    Just reaching the ‘Cammaleri 4C games’ which had sat away from the forefront of my memories – I think the fact that those games happened, along with the Brodziak acquisition, raises the probability that we see Khaira at 2/3LW this season.

    In my mind in Todd’s mind it goes Nuge & Looch and then everyone else, and we know he favours Caggiula, but somethingwe also know is that they look at on-ice goals for and against. Khaira’s got the better number there, so I think we may see upward mobility from him.

    That’s if they’re not wiping the slate clean, wouldn’t blame them for that, not one bit.

    (you can edit this out if you want Lowetide, but there’s a rumour from a source very close to Ty Rattie that alleges we might see the best version of Ty there’s ever been coming into camp)

    If I had to throw down some coins and bet aller-nothin on every spot on the lineup coming into Scandinavia, I’d go with this:

    Nugent-Hopkins – McDavid – Rattie

    Lucic – Draisaitl – Rieder

    Khaira – Strome – Puljujarvi

    Caggiula – Brodziak – Kassian

    – This isn’t my preference, I’ve posted what mine is before, but I like this just fine

    – You have Caggiula over Aberg for 4LW, don’t think any of you weight the coin the other way do you?

    – Lucic will absolutely get that shot.

    – If Brodziak’s boots have left him, that 4th line will be deja vu, the wingers are bad on coverage and poor at picking a rim-rounded puck off the wall and doing something good with it before the D gets on them

    – You wonder how much Chiarelli’s talked to Todd about deployment after hearing it brought up in the exit-interview period, you also wonder where that conversation went with regards to
    Yamamoto and where it goes this fall

    1) What do you mean “best version of Ty”? To me that sounds like “I’m in the best shape of my life” that we generally here from about 12 players every camp.

    2) That’s essentially my thoughts on the lineup as well with the following:

    – Rattie might be holdling that spot warm for Kailer

    – I think I’d prefer Jesse and Tobia to switch as I see Jesse as a top 6 talent and Tobias as a middle 6/3rd line guy – asking Tobias to play in the top 6 may be setting him up to fail, he’s never really been a top 6 guy

    – A key is Lucic being able to produce on the 2nd line – Khaira will be chomping at the bit for that spot (although the top 6 is a little aggressive for JJ)

    – Aberg is a wild card – he has skill and speed and scored at 2P/60 as an Oiler (granted 3 points in one game). Much better option than Drake to fill in in the top 6

    – I would like to see Strome at RW in the top 6 explored but that would be subject to them willing to move Nuge to 3C (I think JJ at 3C is aggressive).

  123. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Bank Shot: Thanks! Did you get this from somewhere or did you just do all the math?

    I did all the math. (Using the foxsports link mentioned earlier) 🤓

  124. BONE207 says:

    VOR:

    This year, as of May 18 Kendall was ranked #1 in the world. Then May 26th Miller-Uibo took over #1 by a half second. Half a second doesn’t seem like much but it is a yawning gulf in sprinting.

    Remarkably Miller-Ubio’s best time is 1.5 seconds off Marita Koch’s World Record.

    So is 3 yawning gulfs practically an ocean?

  125. BONE207 says:

    106 and 106:
    BONE207,

    Sure, but every team is hungry – and these teams are President Trophy winners, Cup winners and playoff contenders.

    The strength of competition of the bat is fierce.

    Who are they beating in the first 10?

    Why can’t Edmonton be a playoff contender. Any team with Connor on it is tough to bet against. Hell, let’s be optimistic and say they win 7 of the first 10. Ha…

  126. russ99 says:

    First two lines to start should be:

    RNH – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Aberg (based on his time with Nashville)

    Better balance, good D with the LW’s first man back and an o-zone puck retriever on each line.

    It’s time to give Jesse a push unless you’re gunshy about his bonuses this year and RFA status next year.

    Yamamoto really should play with Marody in Bakersfield the first two-thirds of the season.

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