The Edmonton Oilers hired Keith Gretzky on August 2, 2016. The first time I heard anything about it came from my friend Guy Flaming the afternoon before:

In the year+ Peter Chiarelli worked for the Oilers without Gretzky, his major moves were trading for Cam Talbot, Griffin Reinhart, Adam Larsson, plus signing Andrej Sekera and Milan Lucic. Has Keith Gretzky helped settle Peter Chiarelli, or did Chiarelli run out of money and assets?

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KEITH GRETZKY

  • On the draft:When you have the job, it’s your list. When we put our list together, all the scouts have worked all year. They’ve gone to 200 games in a year, if a player is on our list it’s because we want him, nobody else.”

2017 Draft

2018 Draft

More than previous Oilers drafts, the two Gretzky seasons aren’t spending any time taking major risks. Inside the first three rounds of these two drafts, there are zero risk selections using the McKenzie bible. None!

One other item: The early picks are all skill picks. Edmonton is drafting from a far better list now than in previous seasons. What does that mean? A far better chance of posting a strong draft. The best draft of this decade was 2011, two first rounders (Nuge, Klefbom) plus a later-round gem (Tobias Rieder).

The Chiarelli-Gretzky free agent signings

  • 2017: Ty Rattie, Jussi Jokinen, Yohann Auvitu
  • 2018: Tobias Rieder, Kyle Brodziak, Kevin Gravel, Mikko Koskinen

Smaller signings, but astute additions even if they didn’t work out. A ufa signing of $1 million can be buried if things go sideways. The Oilers weren’t big players in free agency before the cap era and haven’t learned how to use it properly now that they can play in the deep end of the pool. Luck, necessity or Gretzky? Which is it?

The Chiarelli-Gretzky trades

  • Brandon Davidson for David Desharnais
  • Jordan Eberle for Ryan Strome
  • Jussi Jokinen for Mike Cammalleri
  • Mark Letestu for Pontus Aberg
  • Patrick Maroon for pick used on Cooper Marody

Some trades in this group were viewed as negative, my own take is that dealing Davidson for Desharnais at the deadline for playoff help is exactly what you want from the general manager.

The Eberle trade is the one I have an issue with, because Edmonton didn’t have (and still doesn’t have) a replacement talent for the hole created. I get the idea of trading two seasons of Eberle for what will probably be five or more seasons of Strome, but another shoe had to drop (signing Thomas Vanek, etc).

The other three trades look like good bets to me, expiring deals for something possibly useful either in-season or in the years to come.

THE FUTURE

I’m not one of those observers of the team who is actively agitating for the replacement of general manager or coach. I’m also not one of those people who obsess over past trades, although it is important to recognize the transactions that got us here and the author of those moves.

I do think it’s fair to suggest 2019-20 is not promised to either Peter Chiarelli or Todd McLellan. That isn’t breaking news, suspect both men are aware of their situations. Should ownership decide to move on from Peter Chiarelli, I think Keith Gretzky would be a prominent candidate.

From what we can tell about his work, and of course it’s impossible to do a thorough assessment from the outside, Gretzky appears to be a good judge of talent on and off the ice. We’ll discuss the coaching situation in the coming days.

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russ99

I’m cheering for a successful year, because:

a) I’m a fan an I want the team to do well

b) The people of Edmonton deserve a winner

c) If it goes sideways, you know Katz will fire everyone not an old boy and put Wayne, his brother, MacTavish and Howson in charge.

Side

godot10: Robby Fabbri wasn’t 195 when he was 18, and he was first injured late in training camp in one of the last pre-season games a few months after he was drafted after he had made the Blues. He has had three significant injuries.Missing half of the season after he was drafted, being injured late in training camp, and basically the last year and a half, plus missing 10 games in his other NHL season.

So are you saying young prospects shouldn’t even be allowed to participate in training camp or pre-season games? Aren’t you always saying that pre-season games are meaningless and the quality of competition isn’t the same? Seems to me that Fabbri could be injury prone/unlucky and not a victim of “teenager body”.

And are concussion/knee on knee on knee injuries something that only “small men” are a victim of?

godot10

Side: Fabbri is 5’10 and 195 pounds and was injured when he was 21. He also seems to be fairly injury prone, something not exclusive to “small men”.

But to clarify, you don’t think 21 year old, 5’10, 195 pound Fabbri should have played for the Blues last season?

Robby Fabbri wasn’t 195 when he was 18, and he was first injured late in training camp in one of the last pre-season games a few months after he was drafted after he had made the Blues. He has had three significant injuries. Missing half of the season after he was drafted, being injured late in training camp, and basically the last year and a half, plus missing 10 games in his other NHL season.

Side

godot10: Robby Fabbri

Fabbri is 5’10 and 195 pounds and was injured when he was 21. He also seems to be fairly injury prone, something not exclusive to “small men”.

But to clarify, you don’t think 21 year old, 5’10, 195 pound Fabbri should have played for the Blues last season?

godot10

Side:
Who was the last 18 or 19 year old that had a significant injury that could be attributed to having a “teenager” body?

Robby Fabbri

OriginalPouzar

Time will but there is the possibility that Yamamoto may have to change his game a bit in order to survive and succeed in the NHL.

Guys like Gaudreau (and DeBrincat, granted only one season) have stayed healthy and excelled partially because they are good at avoiding contact and not putting themselves in dangerous situations and their body in danger.

Yamamoto doesn’t play that style – he is tenacious and engages in contract. That is generally a great thing but there is the possibility that he will not be able to sustain that at the pro level. I’m not sure that is the case, maybe he will, only time will tell but he may need to learn to pick his spots a bit more at the next level.

who

Oilman99: Here’s hoping Yammo has bigger gonads than Gaudreau, watching Gaudreau bail time after time rather than try to make a play or maintain puck possession, I would be steamed if I was a Flicker fan.

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We can only hope that KY becomes as good as Gaudreau.
Avoiding contact and bailing on hits is how he stays in the lineup and puts up the numbers he does.
Would you rather watch him go shoulder to shoulder against the player coming to check him? And if so how long do you expect him to last and how effective do you think he will be.
Your comment makes no sense.

Side

Professor Q: Yes, I agree.

I think it’s mostly because while he’s been good, he hasn’t been All-World like McDavid so an AHL year for development (skills, systems, strategy, instinct, etc. all improving and getting up to speed). In my mind, that is, and shown by a few other players of similar circumstance (but if he’s ready and impresses, then watch out!).

I’m not sure about empirical or significant analogue evidence either which way about the mass matter (tee, hee), as you say, and think Yamamoto has the body of a teenager simply due to him being a teenager. So I am agreed.

I’ll be cheering like crazy for KY if they deem him ready and he gets to play in the NHL again.

And if in his next game in the NHL he gets checked by a big man and injured, I’m going to groan loudly and prepare for the “I told you so” comments around here about KY being not physically ready. lol

JimmyV1965

blainer: The KHL is full of goalies with great numbers.. Scrivens included. Add to that the quality of the players and the ice size plus the number of very low scoring games as a result.. IMO you don’t have to be a scout to assess the risk of signing this player .. especially at that crazy number. A number which is most often paid out for goaltenders with an NHL history.

We could have acquired a much better goalie to push Tabs such as Carter Hutton for an extra $250K.That would have been the smart play.

I have watched quite a few highlights of Koskinen and IMO he reminds me a lot of the monster. Now I will admit I am no scout and never played in goal much but will say I do not have a good feeling on this move at all. I am the first to admit when i am wrong and have done so on this forum many times and you can count this as another time I hope I am wrong.

Unfortunately I have also been right on some of my predictions such as Yak etc. I guess time will tell and you may be correct.. but boy the OIL sure have whiffed a lot on the goalie position. Just go back over the last ten years and review the goaltenders that were signed or were acquired ..

The sad part is that a good portion of the management that made those decisions are still employed including the most recent add in Chia.

I expect and hope you remind me that I was wrong on this call as if that happens i will be very happy we are winning games.

Great Goaltending wins championships and gets the coach and GM awards as well. Lets hope they got this one right…

Hutton is getting 2.75 for three years. That’s a much different number. And while he was .931 last year, the two years prior he was .913 and .918. There’s risk in that contract too.

Melvis

Pescador: So does my cheating ex whore of a girlfriend!
I LOVED YOU STACY!!!!

Yeah. Now that it’s been mentioned: Janet, Michelle, Wanda, Bev, Jill, Barbie, Suzie, Barbie AND Suzie…sheesh

Professor Q

Side: I am all for being patient with KY.I just don’t buy that if he’s ready, that he should be held back for arbitrary reasons people have such as “he has a teenager body” “he’s too small” “wait till he adds a few pounds”, etc.

People seem to have a lot of opinions about whether is too small or not, but they never bring any legitimate medical or statistical evidence to show that a player can, in fact, be too small/too young to play in the NHL without getting hurt. Godot has already mentioned a “other side of 20” as an arbitrary line in the sand.I am curious to see how he came to that conclusion, and how it can apply to all hockey players that are like KY.

It’s an incredibly “old school” way of thinking and is complimented by the obsession people have with big athletes.

Yes, I agree.

I think it’s mostly because while he’s been good, he hasn’t been All-World like McDavid so an AHL year for development (skills, systems, strategy, instinct, etc. all improving and getting up to speed). In my mind, that is, and shown by a few other players of similar circumstance (but if he’s ready and impresses, then watch out!).

I’m not sure about empirical or significant analogue evidence either which way about the mass matter (tee, hee), as you say, and think Yamamoto has the body of a teenager simply due to him being a teenager. So I am agreed.

Side

Professor Q: Same with Tyler Johnson and DeBrincat.

The former three did take a bit in University Hockey and/or the IHL/AHL, sure, and that’s why I think Yamamoto should and will take a year or two in the AHL as well. Yes, even Theo Fleury had the benefit of an IHL season after his WHL career (of which he dominated in his last season), that being his 20-21 year-old season (late June birthday).

DeBrincat both lucked out with team and position, as well as playing all 82 games of his 19-20 year-old rookie season (December birthday).

Why not be patient with Yamamoto, with hopeful optimism yet cautious care and grooming? Nothing wrong with bringing him up fully in 2019-2020 or 2020-2021.

I am all for being patient with KY. I just don’t buy that if he’s ready, that he should be held back for arbitrary reasons people have such as “he has a teenager body” “he’s too small” “wait till he adds a few pounds”, etc.

People seem to have a lot of opinions about whether is too small or not, but they never bring any legitimate medical or statistical evidence to show that a player can, in fact, be too small/too young to play in the NHL without getting hurt. Godot has already mentioned a “other side of 20” as an arbitrary line in the sand. I am curious to see how he came to that conclusion, and how it can apply to all hockey players that are like KY.

It’s an incredibly “old school” way of thinking and is complimented by the obsession people have with big athletes.

OriginalPouzar

Oilman99: Obviously the team does not want a goalie dilemma like they had for the first half of the season last year until Talbot got it together, and felt Koskinen was the man get the job done at all cost. Time will tell if it was a good move. No team can succeed without class A goal tending. What’s done is done, there is no use beating a dead horse about what shoulda, coulda or woulda been done. The reality is the teamhas no room to add any substantial pieces until they are able to rid themselves of at least one boat anchor contract, as $1.5M in today’s world won’t buy you the caliber of player they need.

I agree that the team does not want a goalie dilemma like last year, however, this move created absolute no certainty that such a situation won’t happen and may not have even improved the position over Montoya – the player has zero track record of success in the NHL and his comparables that have come over (based on numbers) are the likes of Curtis Sanford and Anders Nillson.

Its not like the back-up goalie market was dwindling down and Chiarelli was getting desperate – it was April.

I could get on board with the “what’s done is done” mantra and “not beating a dead horse” but I find that an ironic statement given the Hall/Larsson discussion currently happening. At least this is current.

I’d much rather have an extra $1.5M right now than not, at least we’d be able to talk about a long term contract with Nurse or worry about bonus overage penalties for next year.

jp

pts2pndr: While I agree that size is not the factor it was in the clutch and grab days I find it somewhat sad that we have gone to the other extreme that size doesn’t matter. Any time a certain player is mentioned the hackles go up! I believe what numerous pisters have siad with said player that it is unfair to place the expectations as hihgh as they are and that this young man should be allowed time for his body to mature. Snyde comments pertaining to Lucic as a physical deterent are uncalled for! Sometimes are passion for the Oilers comes out in an ucomplementary way! I appologize if I have offended any of you my Oiler family!

Numerous posters have said “he’s too small, he’ll be injured”. I don’t think there’s a lot of evidence that’s true. Others have said give him a year in the AHL to mature, but that’s said about every player who’s not a #1 overall. Many of the indicators from his 9 games last year showed he was exceptional on McDavid’s wing. If he can do that again, I say let him play, whatever his height and weight.

Foege Foegele Torpe

Professor Q: That was essentially just freak incident, mostly the right (or wrong) angle and impact between shoulder and ice. No other player involved.

RNH had a sturdy core even back then. Brenden Morrow went to nail him a few times in a game and Nuge kept knocking Morrow on his arse.

I remember. he tripped on the blueline.
but it was widely debated/speculated that he broke his shoulder because he was not strong enough to be in the NHL to begin with.
i admit that i half agreed, probably just frustrated with all the losing and that the org needing to run a 19 yr old out against the toughs night in night out with shitty wingers.
fuck you Tambo,
asshole

Foege Foegele Torpe

pts2pndr:
Basic rule Size matters! The math says so!

So does my cheating ex whore of a girlfriend!
I LOVED YOU STACY!!!!

Scungilli Slushy

godot10: Marin St. Louis didn’t make the NHL till he was 24, with his full man strength (for a small man), and he had muscle on his frame.

Yamamoto is still a boy with pretty much no muscular development or man strength.

One shouldn’t expect too much of Yamamoto.A lot of smaller guys take a year or two to adjust to playing against men.

I can’t agree. Yamamoto was quite muscular in photos at the draft and did well in testing. he’s just short and isn’t a tank like Domi senoir or St Louis built himself up to.

St Louis is a body builder. Look up pics, he is a specimen. If Yama keeps training and developing what strength he can he’ll handle the rigours better. He should focus on not using his body to win battles but his brain and quickness, while developing strength which all pro athletes should.

If there are muscular highly fit golfers, what excuse for a contact sport athlete is there now?

Oilman99

OriginalPouzar: The fact you have such a problem with me that you go out of your way to try and pick apart my posts, and now on multiple platforms, is very interesting.

Nope, I didn’t scout him and have only seen him play internationally.

As I said, I am absolutely fine with the bet on the player but I see no reasonable argument for a $2.5M cap hit.

There is simply no comparable to justify such a contract.The KHL goalie of the year, a numbers of years younger, signed for $690K.

Yup, he’s been great in the KHL and internationally – so were Curtis Sanford and Anders Nilsson – his numbers in the KHL line up with theirs generally.

Sure, if the team was flush with cap space, maybe they could overpay for a one year deal on a potential back-up goalie, however, that is far far from the situation.

Sure, there were other teams interested and I guess that was the “market cost” and, if that was the case, in my opinion that proper option was to walk away. It was April for crying out loud and there were numerous high end back-up goalies, established in the NHL, that were going to come on the market and be cheaper.

I hope Koskinen is lights out, I hope he’s the next Kipper, however, there are numerous examples of high end KHL players, including goalies, where the success does not translate to the NHL.

The GM committed an extra $1.5M to the back-up goalie position and may not have even improved it.

Obviously the team does not want a goalie dilemma like they had for the first half of the season last year until Talbot got it together, and felt Koskinen was the man get the job done at all cost. Time will tell if it was a good move. No team can succeed without class A goal tending. What’s done is done, there is no use beating a dead horse about what shoulda, coulda or woulda been done. The reality is the team has no room to add any substantial pieces until they are able to rid themselves of at least one boat anchor contract, as $1.5M in today’s world won’t buy you the caliber of player they need.

Professor Q

Pescador: RNH?

That was essentially just freak incident, mostly the right (or wrong) angle and impact between shoulder and ice. No other player involved.

RNH had a sturdy core even back then. Brenden Morrow went to nail him a few times in a game and Nuge kept knocking Morrow on his arse.

Foege Foegele Torpe

Nix: Hundredth post like this Ive tried to decode but all I see is “yall are too stupid to understand the data set I refuse to show.”Am I doing this right?

Not yall,
just Woodguy

Foege Foegele Torpe

Side:
Who was the last 18 or 19 year old that had a significant injury that could be attributed to having a “teenager” body?

RNH?

jp

rickithebear:

Larson hall trade = bad
Yours is a trite non goal diff thinking view.

And trite backwards naratives(MVP) are even worse.
1. We have an interview we’re hall says he is finally listening to coaching.

2. Halls last 2yr in EDM and first in NJ he was a
69gm 20g 32A 52P -5 fwd
This is the Hall we Had.
We could use his 15evg 41 evp

Are you seriously saying any mention of the MVP is a narrative? Hall finished top 10 in scoring both years previous to the window you’ve chosen to use. It’s not like we didn’t know Hall could be an elite player when the trade was made.

rickithebear:

Cup core trade value.Top 10 HD dmen 1 per 3 teams.
The real good ones drag poorer HD dmens results up.
See Larsson.

Top 60 fwd 2 per every team.
Hall was a 1.29 top 125 fwd and a wing.

Larsson 6 times less availability per team.

Is Larsson still a top 10 HD Dman though?

He was 124th and 117th among Dmen in GA/60 the past two years (>500 min). His elite numbers were driven by his time in low scoring NJ. While there he was 5/7, 5/8, tied for 3/9, 2/8 and 1/7 on his team in GA/60. He was towards the top by the time he was traded, but at no point did he stand out from his teammates. Mark Fayne had sparkling numbers in Jersey too, that cratered in Edmonton.

And Hall a top 60 forward? He’s 25th in scoring since he joined the league. 13th in points per game.

I agree with your ideas here in theory, but I’m not at all sold on your interpretation. At all.

Oilman99

OriginalPouzar: What does DeBrincat’s body look like?

Oh, and, while MSL is a specimen (tree trunk legs), I’m thinking there is a fine line between Gaudreau’s body and a “teenager’ body”.

The difference there is that Gaudreau avoids contact (which, in this circumstance, is likely a plus) whereas Yamamoto engages.

Here’s hoping Yammo has bigger gonads than Gaudreau, watching Gaudreau bail time after time rather than try to make a play or maintain puck possession, I would be steamed if I was a Flicker fan.

Gerta Rauss

Side:
Who was the last 18 or 19 year old that had a significant injury that could be attributed to having a “teenager” body?

Gilbert Brule was nearly broken in half* in his 2nd NHL game

*blatant hyperbole

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/gilbert-brule-olympic-dream-1.4520305

*edit-I have no dog in this fight- if Yamamoto is ready for the NHL, play him

Professor Q

Side: I didn’t make my comment to personally attack Lucic, so I’m not sure why you are taking it personally.

My comment was directed at Richard S.S. who seems to have a fantasy that if Milan Lucic was on the team in McDavid’s first year, McDavid would not have been injured. As if the very presence of Lucic is what deters opposing players from hitting/hurting Oiler players. I don’t buy it.

Yamamoto will be fine. Gaudreau and Martin St. Louis have missed less games than a lot of big men. I think the concern about size relating to injury is overblown.

Same with Tyler Johnson and DeBrincat.

The former three did take a bit in University Hockey and/or the IHL/AHL, sure, and that’s why I think Yamamoto should and will take a year or two in the AHL as well. Yes, even Theo Fleury had the benefit of an IHL season after his WHL career (of which he dominated in his last season), that being his 20-21 year-old season (late June birthday).

DeBrincat both lucked out with team and position, as well as playing all 82 games of his 19-20 year-old rookie season (December birthday).

Why not be patient with Yamamoto, with hopeful optimism yet cautious care and grooming? Nothing wrong with bringing him up fully in 2019-2020 or 2020-2021.

Side

Who was the last 18 or 19 year old that had a significant injury that could be attributed to having a “teenager” body?

OriginalPouzar

godot10: Gaudreau and St. Louis broke into the NHL on the other side of 20.Yamamoto still has a teenagers’ body.

What does DeBrincat’s body look like?

Oh, and, while MSL is a specimen (tree trunk legs), I’m thinking there is a fine line between Gaudreau’s body and a “teenager’ body”.

The difference there is that Gaudreau avoids contact (which, in this circumstance, is likely a plus) whereas Yamamoto engages.

Side

godot10: Gaudreau and St. Louis broke into the NHL on the other side of 20.Yamamoto still has a teenagers’ body.

What difference does a 19 year old body make compared to a 20 year old’s body, in terms of being injury resistant?

anjinsan

“…it is important to recognize the transactions that got us here and the author of those moves.”

Owning an NHL franchise is a privilege because the home team market is going to trust you.

They should be able to trust you to act in the home best interest and that extends to your agents, in particular your GM.

Nix

rickithebear: It is real analysis driven by accountant (cap) approval.
Removal of a high ratio, %, Acting human action, logic system action,
That show a positive return in business.

No complex flattened false regression analysis from individuals devoid understanding what high actor modification does in a capital (Cap) world..
removals (system aproach)
– HD ratio
– fwd off pocession vs Rovers (Off d)
– NZ trap.
Replacement
– what parts effective (+ve goal diff)
– repeatable (low failure rate)

RE: Russel break out.
– is opps NZ trap set up
– doaes d partner provide a return pass option.

Hundredth post like this Ive tried to decode but all I see is “yall are too stupid to understand the data set I refuse to show.”
Am I doing this right?

godot10

Side:
Yamamoto will be fine. Gaudreau and Martin St. Louis have missed less games than a lot of big men. I think the concern about size relating to injury is overblown.

Gaudreau and St. Louis broke into the NHL on the other side of 20. Yamamoto still has a teenagers’ body.

godot10

Lowetide: Trading Hall IS a fireable offense, but the Oilers chose not to do it. I could write about that everyday but doubt anyone would read it. All of that said, I have nothing personal against Peter Chiarelli, he brought Boston a Stanley, perhaps he’ll bring one to Edmonton.

What’s important is stating facts as facts, as I believe I have done in this case.

I would put it this way.

If you trade Hall, you have to win and make the playoffs and contend consistently in the immediate aftermath and medium term future.

If you stagnate or stall or go backwards, it is really unforgivable, and one deserves to be fired. And this is what Chiarelli, McLellan, and the old boys clubs have done.

Katz has a problem because the old boys club is a permanent fixture, obfuscating who is accountable when “outsiders” are brought in to run things.

Which leads to the position advocated by many pre-Chiarelli, that you have to FIRE THEM ALL, to be sure.

OriginalPouzar

digger50: I’m sure many here can relate to dropping down a leage and expecting to be hot sh*t.

Hockey, soccer, basketball.You drop a league and think you will clean up.Your timing is off, passes are ahead of everyone, speed is off, it’s just “different”

It happens, and no big deal, but there is an adjustment period.

Yes, I understand that and have acknowledged it – it seems that Kailer took longer than many/most to adjust – he struggled right up and till the World Juniors (and during the WJC). As it turns out, that was only 13 regular season games for Spokane, however, I still do think he had an uneven and inconsistent year.

Again, I’m not down on the prospect at all – just don’t think that he exceeded expectations like Maksimov, Kemp, Skinner, etc. did.

Side

pts2pndr: While I agree that size is not the factor it was in the clutch and grab days I find it somewhat sad that we have gone to the other extreme that size doesn’t matter. Any time a certain player is mentioned the hackles go up! I believe what numerous pisters have siad with said player that it is unfair to place the expectations as hihgh as they are and that this young man should be allowed time for his body to mature. Snyde comments pertaining to Lucic as a physical deterent are uncalled for! Sometimes are passion for the Oilers comes out in an ucomplementary way! I appologize if I have offended any of you my Oiler family!

I didn’t make my comment to personally attack Lucic, so I’m not sure why you are taking it personally.

My comment was directed at Richard S.S. who seems to have a fantasy that if Milan Lucic was on the team in McDavid’s first year, McDavid would not have been injured. As if the very presence of Lucic is what deters opposing players from hitting/hurting Oiler players. I don’t buy it.

Yamamoto will be fine. Gaudreau and Martin St. Louis have missed less games than a lot of big men. I think the concern about size relating to injury is overblown.

pts2pndr

jp: Well in your analogy everyone loses.

On the ice Yamamoto is certainly going to lose a physical battle with Lucic, no ones arguing that. But it’s not inevitable he’ll be injured by said battle, or is more prone to injury than anyone else based on his size. Tons and tons of big men have been injury prone, think of the Lindros’s.

While I agree that size is not the factor it was in the clutch and grab days I find it somewhat sad that we have gone to the other extreme that size doesn’t matter. Any time a certain player is mentioned the hackles go up! I believe what numerous pisters have siad with said player that it is unfair to place the expectations as hihgh as they are and that this young man should be allowed time for his body to mature. Snyde comments pertaining to Lucic as a physical deterent are uncalled for! Sometimes are passion for the Oilers comes out in an ucomplementary way! I appologize if I have offended any of you my Oiler family!

jp

pts2pndr: Your comment while sarcastic is not well thought out! Basic rule in contact sports is when giving up weight and height advantage the smaller player normally loses! Bus hits semi and bus loses. Size matters! The math says so!

Well in your analogy everyone loses.

On the ice Yamamoto is certainly going to lose a physical battle with Lucic, no ones arguing that. But it’s not inevitable he’ll be injured by said battle, or is more prone to injury than anyone else based on his size. Tons and tons of big men have been injury prone, think of the Lindros’s.

digger50

OriginalPouzar: Yes, his heater after the WJC was amazing but the reason for my even arrow is largely because of those first two months – he was healthy (as far as I know) and it took him 2 months to get going.Those 7 points in 8 games in November also include a 4-point game.

Anyways, as I said, I am not down on the prospect at all, just think his season was uneven/inconsistent and he didn’t outperform expectations on a whole.

I’m sure many here can relate to dropping down a leage and expecting to be hot sh*t.

Hockey, soccer, basketball. You drop a league and think you will clean up. Your timing is off, passes are ahead of everyone, speed is off, it’s just “different”

It happens, and no big deal, but there is an adjustment period.

Side

pts2pndr: Your comment while sarcastic is not well thought out! Basic rule in contact sports is when giving up weight and height advantage the smaller player normally loses! Bus hits semi and bus loses. Size matters! The math says so!

I have no clue what your comment has to do with my comment.

ashley

For ear worms, I go through the chorus of INXS’ Devil Inside. It immediately clears out the worm, and remarkably, doesn’t become a worm itself – for my brain anyway.

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: The major difference is in experience level for both Nurse and Benning. I believe that the team depth is also superior. With good coaching this D has the promise of excellent to outstanding moving forward! With Bouchard,Berglund, Lagesson etc pushing as well. Goaltending is also looking as promising as it has in a long time!

Fair enough – I almost added Benning to my post but, at this point, we are unsure if he can grab that 2RD role and run with it – he struggled to do so last year.

I hope Nurse’s development and plus game over the last two years isn’t mitigated completely with Sekera’s downturn – I’m nervous about how healthy his knee will ever be. I don’t imagine it will be 100% but there is a big difference between 65% and 90% – both are possibilities.

With respect to to the future, absolutely, I’m bullish on the defensive group as a whole. I’m one of those that don’t believe a true elite/stud #1D is required for Stanley and think a combination of Nurse (or Klefbom) and Larsson as the top pairing will be just fine as long as the 2nd pairing is a strong second pairing – the left side will be for sure (with Klefbom (Nurse)) and here is hoping that Bouchard develops in to a solid 2nd pairing guy with great offence (PP). If not, we still have possibilities in Bear, Berglund, Kemp, Marino and also, have decent depth of prospects on the left side (Samorukov, Lagesson, Jones, etc.).

We have Sekera and Russell to bridge the gap until Bouchard, Bear, Lagesson, etc. are ready to come in and provide some true value.

pts2pndr

Side: But I thought with Milan Lucic on the ice, no one would injure our players because they would be too afraid of what Milan would do to them?

Your comment while sarcastic is not well thought out! Basic rule in contact sports is when giving up weight and height advantage the smaller player normally loses! Bus hits semi and bus loses. Size matters! The math says so!

OriginalPouzar

Lowetide: Definitely where our disconnect takes place. Yamamoto’s first game in the WHL was November 10, his last game before heading to WJ’s was December 12. It’s a month really, although it takes place over two individual months.

OK, fair enough, and I guess it was only 13 games – it seemed longer to me.

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar: That’s interesting as the starting defence is the exact same as that in the playoffs with an up arrow for Nurse and a down arrow for Sekera.Gryba essentially replaced with Gravel.

Bouchard is a wild card on the roster.

Bear is closer to being an NHL player.

I’m hoping that a wild card for a call-up on merit over Stanton/Lowe is Lagesson…..

The major difference is in experience level for both Nurse and Benning. I believe that the team depth is also superior. With good coaching this D has the promise of excellent to outstanding moving forward! With Bouchard,Berglund, Lagesson etc pushing as well. Goaltending is also looking as promising as it has in a long time!

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Richard S.S.:
When Kailer Yamamoto makes the Roster, be prepared to see him spend some time on the “disabled list” each and every year.At his size, despite his skill, injuries will happen, too much time for “oops”.

But I thought with Milan Lucic on the ice, no one would injure our players because they would be too afraid of what Milan would do to them?

rickithebear

Jethro Tull: Bullshit. At least own it when you’re addressing whoever you think is wrong. You owe it to them, it’s called adult discourse. But then you don’t seem to be able to answer anyone without personal insults then hiding behind the unfortunate things happening in your life, so maybe it’s for the best.

There was no way anyone could spin Adam Larsson was worth Taylor Hall before the trade. All the Hart trophy did was drive the nails further in the coffin. If the Oilers win the cup, and Larsson scores the winning goal, it still would be a bad trade. If the Oilers win a cup in the next five years, it won’t be because of that trade, it’ll be despite it.

Chia fucks up the big trades. The sooner people accept this the better to concentrate on what he does do well.

No I have worked on the details of a comment relative to this.
This is for a mass view.

One thing I am know for is not being afraid to say something to a persons face.

No one else laid out cup finial Core Theory.
I have HF board posts that date back 4 years with my cup core.

Cup core trade value.
Top 10 HD dmen 1 per 3 teams.
The real good ones drag poorer HD dmens results up.
See Larsson.

Top 60 fwd 2 per every team.
Hall was a 1.29 top 125 fwd and a wing.

Larsson 6 times less availability per team.

Centers with versitility – Top 4 D – Goalie.
G before D
D before C
C before W

Everybody Knows
That’s how it goes.
Everybody Knows!

Richard S.S.

OriginalPouzar,

This is an oppinion, it has substantive value to me and must to you as you did comment.

For all other replies, Thank You. The information provided is a big help.

Richard S.S.

Pescador,

And who was on the Ice when he was? Stats can say anything you want them to.

There is zero chance Kailer has that much protection. Too many people/knuckleheads are trying to justify the existence in the NHL for Kailer to avoid the cheap and dirty.

Melvis

It’s high summer boys. Smoke and a joke boys Smoke and a joke.

Best so long, see you later Hallsy tune, but you already knew that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQOaLP-qPmk&frags=pl%2Cwn

Some vid to go with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A7XJLhRVVE&frags=pl%2Cwn

Genjutsu

As much as last season was a disaster I’m not certain things are as terrible as some here are.

This Wilson signing kinda puts Lucic in a new light.

If this team gets average goalering it makes the playoffs.