Something to Talk About

There are approximately four million hockey players looking for work at this time (estimate) and the 31 clubs will sign a few, invite others and tell the rest to wait by their phones. For Edmonton, some checkers, a skill center for Bakersfield and perhaps another depth AHL defender should be on the list.

The NHL roster is pretty much set, possibly one spot open for a forward and another for the defensive group. Backup goalie is a race if you want to have something to talk about, but the guy making $2.5 million probably has the edge.

THE ATHLETIC!

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THE CERTAIN OILERS

  • My estimate has 82.6 percent of the roster being a certainty opening night.
  • If the team is close to the cap, you might see a 22-man roster.
  • These are not my lines and pairings but I think they might accurately represent Todd McLellan’s opening night roster.
  • Opening night rosters are mostly predictable, although we’re some distance from final rosters and training camp invites might change the weather.
  • On August 31, 2015, I did the same trio of predictions as I’m doing this morning. I missed on a bunch:
  • Anton Slepyshev (he made the team because Jordan Eberle was injured); Griffin Reinhart (Nikita Nikitin didn’t make the team); Luke Gazdic (I don’t know); Brandon Davidson (they were worried about waivers, probably correctly). Opening night roster is here.

UNCERTAIN OILERS

  • Pontus Aberg is probably the 13F but I thought it would represent reality by having job opening in goal, on defense and at forward.
  • Koskinen, Gravel and Aberg are the smart bets.
  • Kailer Yamamoto could easily push his way into the conversation.
  • Evan Bouchard is a fascinating wild card.
  • Ethan Bear has a nice opportunity this season, even better if Bouchard fails to make the team. This is the beginning of something called “depth” and if you’re a younger Oilers fan it may be unfamiliar to you. REAL depth would be Bouchard and Bear having spent the coming season outside the NHL, then going head to head for a roster spot (No. 3 RHD) in the fall of 2019.

THE DISTANT BELLS

  • No one on this list has even a 25 percent chance to make the team.
  • Among the group here who could see NHL time this coming season, I would suggest Tyler Benson, Joe Gambardella, Caleb Jones and William Lagesson.

REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS

My player profiles will run on The Athletic later this summer, it’ll be a shared process and I will be contributing. The RE series here has been a popular August feature of the blog, so I’ll be talking about expectations and giving my views about individual and cumulative trajectories for the coming season.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fresh morning just ahead of the long weekend, we’ll get the party started at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • John Sigler, Saints Wire. New Orleans won 11 games a year ago, can they push beyond and win it all?
  • Gene Reilly from the Des Moines Buccaneers. Michael Kesselring is a recent Oilers draft pick we don’t know a lot about. We’ll talk to his coach.
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. Jarome Iginla’s retirement, plus NHL.com’s 31-in-31 series is underway and we’ll chat about it.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    As we’ve been talking alot about prospects lately:

    http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-best-worst-farm-system-draft-history-sabres-flyers-canucks-penguins/tn8fb6mqnial16bxvtds5dacu?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    17. Edmonton Oilers
    The Oilers took a step backward last season but still own some of the league’s better prospects, beginning with dazzling puck magician Kailer Yamamoto, who last year made the squad out of camp and is expected to do the same in October. Evan Bouchard was a wise choice at 10th overall in 2018 because he gives Edmonton a much-needed playmaking dimension from the blue line, and 2015 draftee Ethan Bear arguably is the moist NHL-ready of the remaining youth on defense. The Oilers are deep in goal as well, as backstops Stuart Skinner and Olivier Rodrigue are two of the CHL’s top netminding prospects. And watch out for speedster Kirill Maksimov, who dropped the quietest 80-point season among 2017 draftees.

    PROSPECT POSITION 2018-19 TEAM (Proj.) ACQUIRED
    1. Evan Bouchard RHD Edmonton (NHL) 1st/2018
    2. Kailer Yamamoto RW Edmonton (NHL) 1st/2017
    3. Tyler Benson LW/C Bakersfield (AHL) 2nd/2016
    4. Ryan McLeod C/W Mississauga (OHL) 2nd/2018
    5. Kirill Maksimov RW Niagara (OHL) 5th/2017
    6. Ethan Bear RHD Bakersfield (AHL) 5th/2015
    7. Cooper Marody C Bakersfield (AHL) Trade (PHI)
    8. Stuart Skinner G Bakersfield (AHL) 3rd/2017
    9. Olivier Rodrigue G Chicoutimi (QMJHL) 2nd/2018
    10. Caleb Jones LHD Bakersfield (LHD) 4th/2015

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Even if Koskinen is outplayed by Montoya at camp, I don’t imagine Koskinen not being the opening night back-up – he was management’s most costly off-season player acquisition.

    I do like Montoya in the AHL – that’s a great insurance policy for injury – hopefully he clears and is willing to go down and play with a good attitude (and mentor, potentially, Stuart Skinner).

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    As the cap is calculated daily, I can definitely see 22 players on the roster at various times throughout the year – not during the initial Europen/eastern US road trip but at times thereafter.

  4. RT26 says:

    I know this goes against all common sense regarding line depth, but what about creating a dominant first line and trying to then build 3 other lines to tread water?

    Nuge – McDavid – Draisaitl
    Lucic – Strome – Rieder
    Puljujarvi – Khaira – Yamamoto
    Caggiula – Brodziak – Kassian

    Is it reasonable to hope for 100+ goals from line 1, 30 from lines 2 and 3 each, and 20 from the fourth line?

  5. Lowetide says:

    RT26:
    I know this goes against all common sense regarding line depth, but what about creating a dominant first line and trying to then build 3 other lines to tread water?

    Nuge – McDavid – Draisaitl
    Lucic – Strome – Rieder
    Puljujarvi – Khaira – Yamamoto
    Caggiula – Brodziak – Kassian

    Is it reasonable to hope for 100+ goals from line 1, 30 from lines 2 and 3 each, and 20 from the fourth line?

    I’m sure there will be nights where we see just that thing.

  6. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Even if Koskinen is outplayed by Montoya at camp, I don’t imagine Koskinen not being the opening night back-up – he was management’s most costly off-season player acquisition.

    I do like Montoya in the AHL – that’s a great insurance policy for injury – hopefully he clears and is willing to go down and play with a good attitude (and mentor, potentially, Stuart Skinner).

    There is a lot of the unknown with this player, I wouldn’t be shocked to see a short relationship should he struggle.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Matt Mosewich did a compilation of Bouchard’s power play work from the game and it was really something to see.

    No hesitation to shoot the puck – standing slapshot, one-times, wrister.

    Showed very nice vision with 3-4 one-touch cross-ice passes right on the stick throughout the game.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: There is a lot of the unknown with this player, I wouldn’t be shocked to see a short relationship should he struggle.

    How would that work? A mutual termination of the contract as opposed to Koskinen agreeing to ride the bus with Jay Woodcroft?

  9. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: How would that work?A mutual termination of the contract as opposed to Koskinen agreeing to ride the bus with Jay Woodcroft?

    Yes. Cut bait, gone back to the KHL, contract terminated.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Given his $650K cap hit, I really really hope that Pontus Aberg is on the team and given a real shot to contribute. If McLellan still holds a grudge over the missed practice then he is potentially hurting the team.

    I see Aberg with speed and the skill to play with higher end players – consistency is an issue, however, we have the potential for a true value contract for this coming year.

  11. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Lowetide: Yes. Cut bait, gone back to the KHL, contract terminated.

    – this is exactly correct. He got a 1mm bonus.

    – he accepted a salary that was the same as he had in khl

    – if he sucks or if he used sparingly he will just “retire” and he’s off the books like many euros before him have done.

    – he wasn’t going to come over for less money than he made last year.

    – if he isn’t worth anywhere close to 2.5 he’s gone. I don’t see the fuss to be honest on him

    – sure we are going to be able to point to 3 goalie signings that were less that did better and 3 that were overpays and didn’t work out.

    – if he’s no good we will point to the goalies we should have signed instead.

  12. jm363561 says:

    Team 20 20.

    RNH – McD – Yamo
    Benson / Rieder – Drai – JP
    McLeod – Strome – Marody / Killerill
    XXXXXX – Khaira – XXXXX

    Klefbom Larsson
    Nurse Bouchard
    Jones / Lagesson etc. Benning / Bear

    Still a relatively young (and quick) team. Likely $7m under the cap. Just another two years to wait!

  13. Fuge Udvar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Hmm if Koskinen agrees to a contract termination. And they used the 2.5M salary to box Nurse’s agent into a favourable bridge deal. Maybe Chiarelli does have some GMing skills

  14. Melman says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Hopefully, that’s where having new voices in the coach’s room will come into play. Glen: “Todd he messed up, but that was last year”. Trent: “yeah we were always happy to see Cags in the line up”. Todd: “I just can’t bring myself to play a guy named ‘Pontus’. Am I wrong here?” Manny: “Yes…and another thing…”

  15. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Fuge Udvar,

    – they signed him to a relative “overpay” because he can just leave.

    – his upside though they assumed was higher than anyone else they figured they could sign

    – if he doesn’t work out they now have a dozen goalies in the system.

    – anyway as LT pointed out now and as have I in the past the commitment to pay him 2.5 is predicated on him being that type of goalie. If not he pocked 1mm bonus and a great trip to North America

  16. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – and back to our 2.5mm goalie. Some believe it was a stupid overpay by a poor gm who could have got the other guy for a lot less

    – I think the more reasonable assessment was that koski was going to get 2.5mm from many teams but chose Edmonton because Talbot opportunity and understanding he walks if he sucks.

    – this was the goalie the org wanted and chia will live or die by that decision. And if he sucks he can cut bait quick.

    – anyway that’s my take. We’ll see.

  17. geowal says:

    So is the RE series going to be here then and not at the Athletic? Sorry I didn’t fully understand that sentence, need more coffee.

  18. rbjork says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Can we use that “walks if he sucks” program on Lucic?

  19. jtblack says:

    Looking at your Certain Oilers chart I can’t help but smile.

    Center position looks Excellent to me.

    LHD Excellent.

    RHD – OK. Bouchard panning out in the next couple years as a Top 4 who can be effective in PP; will be excellent compliment to Larsson

    RW – OK. But Kailer is coming

    LW – weakest area

    Goalie – Good

    Overall I think this Roster is starting to have some depth. And considering the Bake has more depth than ever before; Arrows are up.

  20. Lowetide says:

    geowal:
    So is the RE series going to be here then and not at the Athletic? Sorry I didn’t fully understand that sentence, need more coffee.

    I’ll do the nuts and bolts of RE here, but the individual pieces will run at The Athletic.

  21. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Matt Mosewich did a compilation of Bouchard’s power play work from the game and it was really something to see.

    No hesitation to shoot the puck – standing slapshot, one-times, wrister.

    Showed very nice vision with 3-4 one-touch cross-ice passes right on the stick throughout the game.

    On limited viewing, his skating is fine. I suspect it is a Draisaitl type issue where he may not be an elite level skater and he will get burned from time to time but the much bigger deal for the Oilers is his overall awareness and offensive abilities.

    Sure he’s just playing his peers, but I’ll go out on a limb and suggest he already is the best passed and shooter on D in the entire organization.

  22. greenshifter says:

    I was at the 2 Junior Summer Camp games in Kamloops Tuesday night and Bouchard was easily the best player for Canada White. He played with way more poise than any of his teamates. Directed 12-14 shots at the net, I lost count. in his own end he picks up his man right away and identifies when to move off and cover others\areas. Very cerebral player, always made the smart pass or shot. I was very impressed as was my stepson, who isn’t impressed with anything Oilers.

    The only issue I saw was that out of 4 puck battles, in defensive end, he lost 3 of them. Just got out worked, not enough intensity.

    Mcleod looks very good as well! He reminds me of Nuge big time. Attacks with speed and made some very nice plays at full speed. He can skate. Looks to have much more skill than some of the kids drafted ahead of him (Foudy, Dellandrea, Noel)

    Rodrigue only faced 12 shots let 2 in. They were high quality opportunities on his behalf. Still didn’t look to sharp. He is quick though.

    Kemp was steady for the most part. Skates pretty good and makes good outlet passes. Don’t notice him too much, which is a good thing for the stay at home guy. He was paired with Hughes so just get him the puck and watch him do the rest.

    The Hughes brothers were the best players out there, hands down. And think the Canucks could have both of them possibly. Runner up was Farabee.

    Best player on Canada Red was Formenton by quite a bit, this kid can do it all. A threat almost every shift.

  23. 106 and 106 says:

    Pulju is training alongside Pekka Rinne (NSH), Sebastian Aho (CAR), Markus Nutivaara (CLB), Miikka Salomaki (NSH), Janne Kuokkanen (CAR), and Saku Maenalanen (CAR).

    He’s gonna be tight.

  24. jake70 says:

    106 and 106:
    Pulju is training alongside Pekka Rinne (NSH), Sebastian Aho (CAR), Markus Nutivaara (CLB), Miikka Salomaki (NSH), Janne Kuokkanen (CAR), and Saku Maenalanen (CAR).

    He’s gonna be tight.

    His english should improve 🙂

  25. Bag of Pucks says:

    I have absolutely zero data points to support this conclusion but I have optimistically convinced myself that Aberg eats Caggiula’s lunch in the preseason and sends him to the pressbox for opening night.

    If this fanbase has not already given Pontus the nickname, ‘The Pilot’ we 100% have to get on that.

    If Scorsese can have The Navigator, we can have The Pilot! : )

  26. Melvis says:

    Here’s a wee Bonnie thing worth mentioning. After all that whinging, the blog appears to be back to normal. Meaning I hit the bookmark and it’s all there. Today’s thread and all the comments visible and no more screwing around. So kudos.

  27. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – and back to our 2.5mm goalie. Some believe it was a stupid overpay by a poor gm who could have got the other guy for a lot less

    – I think the more reasonable assessment was that koski was going to get 2.5mm from many teams but chose Edmonton because Talbot opportunity and understanding he walks if he sucks.

    – this was the goalie the org wanted and chia will live or die by that decision. And if he sucks he can cut bait quick.

    – anyway that’s my take. We’ll see.

    This is my take as well. Man, we agree on way too much stuff! ; )

    Chiarelli is worried about Talbot and so he decided that rather than going cheap on a traditional backup who would be no threat to the number one, he wanted a 1B option that would push Talbot and provide starter insurance. For that, he had to pay a premium. Pete is also cognizant of the fact that TMac overworks his #1 when he doesn’t trust his #2. This latter point is something the org needs to sort out as I think MacLellan’s behaviour on this front is having a detrimental impact on G development. Brossoit imo did not get enough steady reps to get a fair shake.

    For me, it’s absolutely the one position on the hockey club that you do not skimp dollars on so I am completely onboard with the decision.

    Since I’m on a nickname kick today, I think we should be calling Miko Koskinen – MK Ultra. His saves will blow your mind!

  28. Wilde says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    As I do more 2018 video, I come away more impressed with Pontus Aberg. One of the better handlers at speed among the maybes and just outright has better offensive results. Having him at the price he is, in return for Mark Letestu is just really good.

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – they signed him to a relative “overpay” because he can just leave.

    – his upside though they assumed was higher than anyone else they figured they could sign

    – if he doesn’t work out they now have a dozen goalies in the system.

    – anyway as LT pointed out now and as have I in the past the commitment to pay him 2.5 is predicated on him being that type of goalie. If not he pocked 1mm bonus and a great trip to North America

    Opportunity cost, Kinger.

    If you ignore that facet you can make some very poor logic turn, you could draft a random beer leaguer at #1 overall and say “well, if it doesn’t work out just don’t sign him!”.

  29. Bag of Pucks says:

    Wilde:
    Bag of Pucks,

    As I do more 2018 video, I come away more impressed with Pontus Aberg. One of the better handlers at speed among the maybes and just outright has better offensive results. Having him at the price he is, in return for Mark Letestu is just really good.

    He’s definitely highly skilled no doubt.

    For me, there’s two ways you can look at the Aberg acquisition:

    1) Nobody is doing a better job right now with draft and development than NSH, so if they decided he wasn’t worth the effort, is that a red flag?

    2) Or looking at it glass half full, NSH is absolutely stacked right now and cracking that roster is a tall order. Aberg could be a superior talent that was just dying on the vine with the Predators because of their excellent depth.

    Let’s hope it’s Number Two!

  30. Lowetide says:

    106 and 106:
    Pulju is training alongside Pekka Rinne (NSH), Sebastian Aho (CAR), Markus Nutivaara (CLB), Miikka Salomaki (NSH), Janne Kuokkanen (CAR), and Saku Maenalanen (CAR).

    He’s gonna be tight.

    I hope he tears it up. JP is the one player who hasn’t popped yet who could change things in a quick hurry.

  31. Bank Shot says:

    Bag of Pucks: He’s definitely highly skilled no doubt.

    He has some skill. Judging from his year 20 and 21 results from the AHL, he doesn’t have enough of it to survive purely on skill.

    Will he work at rounding out his game? Seems like there are some issues there.

  32. John Chambers says:

    Cooper Marody looks like he could play Gord Downie in a movie.

  33. defmn says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – this is exactly correct. He got a 1mm bonus.

    – he accepted a salary that was the same as he had in khl

    – if he sucks or if he used sparingly he will just “retire” and he’s off the books like many euros before him have done.

    – he wasn’t going to come over for less money than he made last year.

    – if he isn’t worth anywhere close to 2.5 he’s gone. I don’t see the fuss to be honest on him

    – sure we are going to be able to point to 3 goalie signings that were less that did better and 3 that were overpays and didn’t work out.

    – if he’s no good we will point to the goalies we should have signed instead.

    I agree with your logic but Cap Friendly has his bonus at $500,000. Did they make a mistake?

  34. Wilde says:

    Bank Shot: He has some skill. Judging from his year 20 and 21 results from the AHL, he doesn’t have enough of it to survive purely on skill.

    Judging from a 25 goal campaign? Those results from the AHL?

    Three U22 AHLers scored 25 or more goals this year.

    And in his 20 year old campaign, every player that scored more points than he did at the same age is currently an NHL regular except two, out of nine.

  35. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Brouwer bought out.
    Let’s hope Chia can help himself from trying to reunite the Moose Jaw Warrior Brodziak/Brouwer connection.

  36. Bank Shot says:

    Wilde: Judging from a 25 goal campaign? Those results from the AHL?

    Three U22 AHLers scored 25 or more goals this year.

    And in his 20 year old campaign, every player that scored more points than he did at the same age is currently an NHL regular except two, out of nine.

    His first two AHL seasons he was roughly around 0.5 ppg.

    That’s alright. Not something that screams top 6 NHL upside.

    If Aberg is going to cut it on the bottom two lines he will have to bring something other than offense.

    He missed a practice last year after being traded to the Oilers. In the hyper competitive NHL atmosphere that’s a big deal.

    I hope he exceeds expectations but I would currently bet against it.

  37. Bank Shot says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Even if Koskinen is outplayed by Montoya at camp, I don’t imagine Koskinen not being the opening night back-up – he was management’s most costly off-season player acquisition.

    I do like Montoya in the AHL – that’s a great insurance policy for injury – hopefully he clears and is willing to go down and play with a good attitude (and mentor, potentially, Stuart Skinner).

    Agreed. I think Koskinen is a more certain Oiler than Rattie.

    You don’t spend 2.5 on a guy and waiver him before game 1.

  38. Wilde says:

    Bank Shot: His first two AHL seasons he was roughly around 0.5 ppg.

    That’s alright. Not something that screams top 6 NHL upside.

    If Aberg is going to cut it on the bottom two lines he will have to bring something other than offense.

    Not as a mainstay feature player, but as a complementary player on a line with an exceptional centre it’s just fine. And that’s the situation we’re talking about with him.

  39. Bag of Pucks says:

    Rattie and Aberg strike me as the same kind of darkhorses.

    Both have draft pedigree. Both have scored well in the A (Rattie the more productive one), but neither have lit it up in the dance with the exception of the small sample size from Ty at the end of last season.

    The jobs are there for the taking on RW. Along with JP, Kassian, and possibly even Strome, it will be interesting to see who wants it the most? Should be a great preseason battle.

  40. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: I hope he tears it up. JP is the one player who hasn’t popped yet who could change things in a quick hurry.

    Very true on JP.

    I think we all forget JP literally just turned 20. He hasn’t finished growing into his Giant Man Body yet.

    Go JP!

  41. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Rattie and Aberg strike me as the same kind of darkhorses.

    Both have draft pedigree. Both have scored well in the A (Rattie the more productive one), but neither have lit it up in the dance with the exception of the small sample size from Ty at the end of last season.

    The jobs are there for the taking on RW. Along with JP, Kassian, and possibly even Strome, it will be interesting to see who wants it the most? Should be a great preseason battle.

    Rattie 9 points in 14 games, Aberg 8 points in 16 games. Not much to choose, esp considering QualTeam.

  42. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I have absolutely zero data points to support this conclusion but I have optimistically convinced myself that Aberg eats Caggiula’s lunch in the preseason BUT ENDS UP IN the pressbox for opening night.

    Fixed that for you. Because TMac.

  43. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Rattie 9 points in 14 games, Aberg 8 points in 16 games. Not much to choose, esp considering QualTeam.

    – When Maroon came over, he got 8 goals in 16 games: it was widely viewed he would not get anywhere near there. No one said he’s score 27 goals the next year. Rattie be 5 and 14 (no PP)

    – No reason Aberg can’t score some as well. Don’;t expect it, but not impossible

    – I think whatever combo of RW with McD they will average 27 goals

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Yes. Cut bait, gone back to the KHL, contract terminated.

    As vocal as I’ve been against the contract he received, I’m pulling for the guy, I’m an Oilers fan – here is hoping it doesn’t come close to that and he plays great this year (but only 20 games or so – Talbot plays great as well).

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Re: contract termination:

    I’m still not sure the player and club can simply agree to terminate the contract although I seem to recall that this has been done a couple of times.

    From a quick look, the CBA and the form of contract only speak to termination for buyout purposes and termination due to certain player conduct.

  46. Wilde says:

    What do you guys think makes up the threshold for the scenario of the Oilers missing the playoffs, yet retaining both McLellan and Chiarelli?

    I think it has to be no less than this:

    – 85+ points, close enough for unfortunate factors to be (someone plausibly) be pointed at for an otherwise playoff-bound club, such as McDavid missing a couple dozen games

    – Puljujarvi breaks out for 50+ points

    – Yamamoto delivers a Jordan Eberlesque rookie campaign of ~20 goals

    – a 250+ goal club that’s exciting to watch even in losses, operating off of a top-10 powerplay

    – another 100+ point season from McDavid despite not playing the full season

    – Bouchard either sticking in the NHL or having a ridiculous final junior season for ~100 points a la Ryan Ellis

    – a 35 win Bakersfield team

    Overall the theme would have to be a potent offensive team being undone by goaltending/PK/injuries, with young players’ leaps forward. Enough positives to point to for the future, and enough negatives to point to for excuses. As well as a healthy amount of electrifying high score wins versus the Flames, Canucks and Ducks (and maybe Toronto?) to placate ticket-buyers.

  47. Oilman99 says:

    Lowetide: I hope he tears it up. JP is the one player who hasn’t popped yet who could change things in a quick hurry.

    With the present cap situation, JP is the one guy that could really help this team show a marked improvement over last year if he has a big up arrow, due to the lack of top six talent on the team.

  48. Richard S.S. says:

    Expectations be damned. There is enough ability and talent on the Oilers’ Roster to get them to the Playoffs. Health will be the only thing that might limit it.

  49. jtblack says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Rattie 9 points in 14 games, Aberg 8 points in 16 games. Not much to choose, esp considering QualTeam.

    one played with Supernova One didnt.

    Big difference

  50. jtblack says:

    Skinner to Buffalo

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks: This is my take as well. Man, we agree on way too much stuff! ; )

    Chiarelli is worried about Talbot and so he decided that rather than going cheap on a traditional backup who would be no threat to the number one, he wanted a 1B option that would push Talbot and provide starter insurance. For that, he had to pay a premium. Pete is also cognizant of the fact that TMac overworks his #1 when he doesn’t trust his #2. This latter point is something the org needs to sort out as I think MacLellan’s behaviour on this front is having a detrimental impact on G development.Brossoit imo did not get enough steady reps to get a fair shake.

    For me, it’s absolutely the one position on the hockey club that you do not skimp dollars on so I am completely onboard with the decision.

    Since I’m on a nickname kick today, I think we should be calling Miko Koskinen – MK Ultra. His saves will blow your mind!

    The issue is that there is no assurance that he’s any better than Montoya despite how much he cost. In fact, looking at this KHL performance (numbers) over the years, reasonableness would assume Curtis Sanford and Anders Nilsson level performance.

    Further, there were multiple goalies that were coming on the to free agent market with actual experience as starting goaltenders that could reasonably be expected to provide upper echelon back-up tending and push Talbot – Mrazek, Halak, etc.

  52. godot10 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Expectations be damned.There is enough ability and talent on the Oilers’ Roster to get them to the Playoffs.Health will be the only thing that might limit it.

    And the head coach.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    Skinner to Buffalo

    Good – Didn’t want to dispose of Klefbom or Nuge to open up the cap space and then have to re-sign the UFA player in a year.

    Oilers should not be in the market for UFA-age players that need to be re-signed shortly.

  54. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    Skinner to Buffalo

    Oilers can’t afford to trade for a rental until the deadline.

  55. Wilde says:

    Thar return for Skinner is awful, what the…?

  56. jtblack says:

    Wilde:
    Thar return for Skinner is awful, what the…?

    Salary Dump my friend. Salary Dump

  57. jtblack says:

    Wilde:
    Thar return for Skinner is awful, what the…?

    He makes $5.5. & will prob make $6 – $8 depending how this yr goes. If he throws down 30 Goals+ hes gonna get $7+ … IE JVR

  58. jtblack says:

    Buffalo is SLOWLY putting the pieces together.
    Center Position:
    EICHEL
    MIDDLESTADT
    BERGLUND

    Defense:
    Risto
    Dahlin

    They should be Good the year Edm wins the Cup. 2021

  59. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: Oilers can’t afford to trade for a rental until the deadline.

    and I agree with that. I am on the Slow train ;

    Draft. Develop. Sow. Like home brew

  60. Lowetide says:

    GEORGES! GEORGES!

    I owe you an apology. I just checked spam, and you had about 10 posts that were picked up and clearly a large degree of frustration. You were not timed out (never have been) but I was absolutely derelict in not seeing it until today. Forgive me. I am so sorry.

  61. jtblack says:

    forr the Draft Geeks.

    2019 WHL draft class is Loaded! 11 kids made U18 Hnlinka.

    If things break right, WHL could have 15 players drafted in Top 40.

    Lofty I know, but legitimate potential for the best WHL draft crop in a loooong time.

  62. jtblack says:

    2019 WHL Players projected almost certain 1st Round:

    Byram
    Dach
    Krebs
    Cozens

    Possible 1st Round:

    Robertson
    Korzcak
    Schneider
    Williams
    Mutala
    Toporowski
    Foote (Cal’s Bro)

    Both Goalies for Hnlinka are from WHL.

    Taylor Gauthier is freako good. Goalies don’t get picked high, so I doubt he’s a 1st round pick.

    3 other high ranked Goalies.

    Anyway, who knows where it all Lands. But as LT says: GOOD ARROWS

  63. jtblack says:

    For perspective. Our boy Skinner was the Top Goalie drafted; 17th overall into the WHL, turned into a 3rd Round NHL pick

    Taylor Gauthier was drafted 10th overall into the WHL (Scary good in Bantam).

    We will see where he gets drafted into NHL. Guess is 40 – 100.

  64. Georgexs says:

    Lowetide:
    GEORGES! GEORGES!

    I owe you an apology. I just checked spam, and you had about 10 posts that were picked up and clearly a large degree of frustration. You were not timed out (never have been) but I was absolutely derelict in not seeing it until today. Forgive me. I am so sorry.

    No apologies necessary, LT. I figured that’s what was happening so I created a new account. WG and kinger confirmed this happened to their old accounts as well. All good. Thank you for letting me know.

  65. Wilde says:

    jtblack: Salary Dump my friend.Salary Dump

    jtblack: He makes $5.5.& will prob make $6 – $8 depending how this yr goes.If he throws down 30 Goals+ hes gonna get $7+ … IEJVR

    If I was them, I’d literally rather keep him and have his contribution for the season than trade him for that little.

    (And if the season goes in the gutter you can just sell him at the deadline)

    New post with two games, Dec 9 and Dec 12 vs MTL and TOR respectively, with a new colour coded format:

    https://petropraxis.blogspot.com/2018/08/sometimes-sayings-are-just-said-part.html

  66. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Rattie and Aberg strike me as the same kind of darkhorses.

    Both have draft pedigree. Both have scored well in the A (Rattie the more productive one), but neither have lit it up in the dance with the exception of the small sample size from Ty at the end of last season.

    The jobs are there for the taking on RW. Along with JP, Kassian, and possibly even Strome, it will be interesting to see who wants it the most? Should be a great preseason battle.

    Bruce McCurdy: Rattie 9 points in 14 games, Aberg 8 points in 16 games. Not much to choose, esp considering QualTeam.

    To me that Aberg is a lot better skater and has more weight gives him a headstart if he jumps on it.

  67. jtblack says:

    Wilde:
    If I was them, I’d literally rather keep him and have his contribution for the season than trade him for that little.

    (And if the season goes in the gutter you can just sell him at the deadline)

    New post with two games, Dec 9 and Dec 12 vs MTL and TOR respectively, with a new colour coded format:

    https://petropraxis.blogspot.com/2018/08/sometimes-sayings-are-just-said-part.html

    Yah, I think it was a pure Dump. Nothing more. Grab a few prospects to save face

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    Canada taking the ice. I think it was mentioned earlier but neither Bouchard nor McLeod are in the lineup tonight – Rodrigue is playing though.

  69. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Canada taking the ice.I think it was mentioned earlier but neither Bouchard nor McLeod are in the lineup tonight – Rodrigue is playing though.

    whos the 3 RHD ahead of Bouchard?

  70. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Georgexs: No apologies necessary, LT. I figured that’s what was happening so I created a new account. WG and kinger confirmed this happened to their old accounts as well. All good. Thank you for letting me know.

    – hey anytime my name is included with LT Georges and WG that’s smart company! One of these things is not the same!

  71. Georgexs says:

    LT (or anyone else who knows the answer),

    Is this the order of Oilers’ head scouts from the 2000 draft to now?

    Prendergast 2000 to 2006

    MacGregor 2007 to 2014

    Greene 2015 to present

    ?

  72. Bank Shot says:

    jtblack: whos the 3 RHD ahead of Bouchard?

    There are 12 defensemen there so most guys will only get 2 games out of 4.

  73. Lowetide says:

    Georgexs:
    LT (or anyone else who knows the answer),

    Is this the order of Oilers’ head scouts from the 2000 draft to now?

    Prendergast 2000 to 2006

    MacGregor 2007 to 2014

    Greene 2015 to present

    ?

    Prendergast’s first draft as scouting director was 2001, a good way to remember is that his first pick was Ales Hemsky.

    Stu MacGregor’s first draft was 2008 his first pick was Jordan Eberle

    Bob Green’s first draft was 2015, his first selection was Connor McDavid.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: whos the 3 RHD ahead of Bouchard?

    Noah Dobson
    Calen Addison
    Ian Mitchell

    They are set on the right side tonight. Wouldn’t say they are “ahead of Bouchard” but Bouchard is getting the night off. I think we know, and Canada knows, he’s a lock for the team if he’s not in the NHL.

  75. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: Noah Dobson
    Calen Addison
    Ian Mitchell

    They are set on the right side tonight.Wouldn’t say they are “ahead of Bouchard” but Bouchard is getting the night off.I think we know, and Canada knows, he’s a lock for the team if he’s not in the NHL.

    Wow. Never heard of Mitchell!
    Addy plays in my hometown Wanted Oil to grab him in2nd round although now that the draft is complete I am more than happy with their selection.

  76. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: Noah Dobson
    Calen Addison
    Ian Mitchell

    They are set on the right side tonight.Wouldn’t say they are “ahead of Bouchard” but Bouchard is getting the night off.I think we know, and Canada knows, he’s a lock for the team if he’s not in the NHL.

    Addisin has a “chance” to be Letang 2.0

    Now as WG points out; that might not be a good thing

  77. John Chambers says:

    jtblack:
    Buffalo is SLOWLY putting the pieces together.
    Center Position:
    EICHEL
    MIDDLESTADT
    BERGLUND

    Defense:
    Risto
    Dahlin

    They should be Good the year Edm wins the Cup. 2021

    They’ll have added a lot of quality players to start the upcoming season versus last:
    – Middlestadt
    – Nylander
    – Sobotka
    – Berglund
    – Sheary
    – Skinner

    And on D:
    Dahlin
    Hunwick

    Now of course they lost O’Reilly, but depth they’ve lacked and depth Jason Botterill has added.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rodrigue gives up two breakaway goals in half a game – Can wins 4-3 in OT.

  79. Georgexs says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks!

  80. jtblack says:

    John Chambers: They’ll have added a lot of quality players to start the upcoming season versus last:
    – Middlestadt
    – Nylander
    – Sobotka
    – Berglund
    – Sheary
    – Skinner

    And on D:
    Dahlin
    Hunwick

    Now of course they lost O’Reilly, but depth they’ve lacked and depth Jason Botterill has added.

    2 Years. SOLID

  81. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jtblack: one played with SupernovaOne didnt.

    Big difference

    “Esp considering QualTeam” referred exactly to that, that whatever difference between them in P/G (0.64 for Rattie, 0.50 fonr Aberg) could be explained away by McDavid. Aberg wasn’t far behind Rattie if at all.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Canada plays Sweden tonight at 7 – game is on TSN (like all the rest are) – I assume Bouchard and McLeod will be in the lineup tonight.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Here is the finish interview with Jesse:

    https://www.is.fi/nhl/art-2000005775837.html

    I’m having trouble with the google translate so, for now, will just go by tidbits from Beer League Hero:

    https://www.beerleagueheroes.com/oilers-…uljujarvi/

    The article mentions a few other things like:

    He’s been working on his shot and the hardest it’s been registered up in Karpat is 158 km! (link here but you’ve got to click to the last slide to see the shots)

    A charity match vs. Ilkka Mikkola All-Stars coming up where he’ll suit up with many of the same players that participated in the Jesse/Ville Charity match from a couple of weeks ago.

    He trains five days a week at new development center using the Karpat rink and usually goes home to Tornio for the weekends to eat “mommy’s meatballs”.

    Speaking of Jesse’s mom, Tuula Erkkilä, was a top skier for Finland and participated in an international cross-country skiing event in Calgary prior to the 1988 Winter Olympics.

    Puljujarvi feels like his English could be better (ask anybody who’s native language isn’t English and they’ll tell you the same thing) and when he was in Canada he studied every day but he’s been too busy training in Finland to concentrate on it.

    Pulju is training alongside Pekka Rinne (NSH), Sebastian Aho (CAR), Markus Nutivaara (CLB), Miikka Salomaki (NSH), Janne Kuokkanen (CAR), and Saku Maenalanen (CAR).
    Some talented players to be training alongside no doubt.

  84. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Here is the finish interview with Jesse:

    https://www.is.fi/nhl/art-2000005775837.html

    I’m having trouble with the google translate so, for now, will just go by tidbits from Beer League Hero:

    https://www.beerleagueheroes.com/oilers-…uljujarvi/

    The article mentions a few other things like:

    He’s been working on his shot and the hardest it’s been registered up in Karpat is 158 km! (link here but you’ve got to click to the last slide to see the shots)

    A charity match vs. Ilkka Mikkola All-Stars coming up where he’ll suit up with many of the same players that participated in the Jesse/Ville Charity match from a couple of weeks ago.

    He trains five days a week at new development center using the Karpat rink and usually goes home to Tornio for the weekends to eat “mommy’s meatballs”.

    Speaking of Jesse’s mom, Tuula Erkkilä, was a top skier for Finland and participated in an international cross-country skiing event in Calgary prior to the 1988 Winter Olympics.

    Puljujarvi feels like his English could be better (ask anybody who’s native language isn’t English and they’ll tell you the same thing) and when he was in Canada he studied every day but he’s been too busy training in Finland to concentrate on it.

    Pulju is training alongside Pekka Rinne (NSH), Sebastian Aho (CAR), Markus Nutivaara (CLB), Miikka Salomaki (NSH), Janne Kuokkanen (CAR), and Saku Maenalanen (CAR).
    Some talented players to be training alongside no doubt.

    I wish that I had Jesse’s mom,
    She’s lovin him with that body,
    I just know it

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