Best of Intentions

by Lowetide

I do believe the Edmonton Oilers start with the best of intentions. If you could find Peter Chiarelli at lunch today, and asked him about Evan Bouchard, my guess is that his sincere answer would include doing the right thing for the player’s long-term benefit. Edmonton as an organization doesn’t push these kids for the fun of it, but there’s always a big damned need the kids can solve.

  • Dallas Eakins on Leon Draisaitl: “He’s just a very, very young player and we don’t want to rush him. We don’t want to put the weight of the market, or high expectations on him. We want to just see where he’s at when he does get playing against NHL players.” Source

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LEON AND EVAN

Dallas Eakins had the best intentions for Leon Draisaitl, he absolutely did not want to push him into the league too soon. It’s easy to look at that first season for the big man and say he should have been sent out right away, but that would mean you forgot the sheer number of goal posts hit and yawning nets missed. He was unready, they should have sent him out, but he performed well during the period Edmonton was making the decision—and there was a major need.

I think the Oilers feel the same way about Evan Bouchard. They are determined to do the right thing by him. He is part of their future and they want him on the ice when Connor McDavid raises the Stanley Cup. What’s more, the team has other options, they can survive a year without him.

What happens next? The script is clear: The kid comes in and flattens competition among rookies, gains some confidence and scores a big goal early (probably on the power play in Bouchard’s case) in a preseason game. There will be a serious meeting in the big boardroom that holds a mighty table (sleeps 20!) and a prolonged back and forth. Maybe they’ll agree he should be sent out, and then someone will say “you know, I just go back to that goal he scored at orientation camp” and we’re off again. A leopard, ladies and men, does not change its spots.

I said this a year ago, when Kailer Yamamoto was posting crooked numbers and the preseason games were climbing. At some point you simply have to cut bait but the Oilers have a difficult time. The fast-track movement became an issue summer 2007 with Sam Gagner and has been an issue ever since. Peter Chiarelli doesn’t have a “are you sure that’s a good idea?” assistant, but he needs to get one post haste.

CONNOR’S WINGERS

  • This is via Natural Stat Trick and shows 5-on-5 scoring with Connor McDavid this past season.
  • Nuge will be an upgrade on Milan Lucic and right wing is wide open. Ty Rattie is the odds on favourite to get first chance but that can last like a snowflake in a hot place.
  • Ryan Strome scored well enough to get more time but it never came.
  • I’m of the opinion the RW depth chart will be Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto on the top two lines by 2020. I wonder if we see that changeover happen this winter?
  • The organization likes Drake Caggiula, he’ll probably see more time there than any of us are arguing for, and he did post 2.00+ a year ago.

WINGERS WITHOUT CONNOR

  • I’m fading Pontus Aberg like crazy, mostly due to the organization’s decision to commit to Drake Caggiula. That said, he performed well without Connor McDavid and that’s a positive. Aberg scored 3.71/60 5-on-5 with Leon Draisaitl a year ago.
  • Draisaitl without McDavid is still a damned good hockey player. I’d find a way to put Nugent-Hopkins on his wing.

Enstrom was mentioned as a possibility for the Oilers several times through the spring and into mid-summer. The season he would have gone back to Europe based on numbers was a year ago but his contract kept him here last season (where his numbers recovered, albeit in just 43 games). He found a way to play 719 NHL games, that’s a fine career.

VLADIMIR TKACHEV

Remember the time Edmonton almost signed a small forward out of training camp? And then it was discovered he was ineligible? Well, the player has thrived in the KHL and every few months his name comes up. Igor Eronko is reporting the Vegas Golden Knights have had discussions about the player signing next spring after his current deal expires. The NHLE from his most recent season (55) suggests he is worth pursuing.

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1032980196310245377

Would you trade Leon Draisaitl (in a package) for a signed Erik Karlsson? Someone asked me that on the text line the other day, I said yes. There are risks, Karlsson is 28 now and has played in over 600 NHL games with some significant injuries. Thoughts?

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning begins at 10, TSN1260. We’ll have some laughs and a rant or two, scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Erik Karlsson playing in Canada, Hayley Wickenheiser hockey executive, junior hockey returns to the north country.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Point-CounterPoint will be a series of ravings, hand signals and grunts as we discuss an unforgivable second half by the Eskimos in Hamilton last night.

NFL tour stops with the Chargers and we’ll read your texts and comments. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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rickithebear

You can see strong Evga from a 2 rover pair.
Who by type will transition pass a lot more and skate the puck up less.
Causing thier structure and zone minutes to be more 2-1.
A lot less rover.
Puck in superior forward pocession than when the are rovers.

Should look at Keith’s 13-14 to 16-17 seasons and see who his +ve unit Goal differential counts are with.
Then look at 17-18.

rickithebear

WG:
You were not a Karlsson truther for years.
In fact I remember your disdain for “Off d ( rovers) are OFFENSIVE”

I have screen captures of Off dmens futility that I posted on other blogs that date back 5-7 years ago.

There are clear high ratio affects that must be structured and played a certain way to be cup competitive and championship successful.

As Daryl Sutter said “ we are turning them into robots.”

Rovers do not belong in that cup success structure.

Except when they are partnered with an Elite HD dmen who can cover 1D-1G allowing them to potentially shine in the playoffs.
Orpik
Hjarlmasson
Chara
Martin

You better have a 4-5M elite 1-1 HD dman to cover for that 8-11M rover.

Woodguy v2.0

If I were the HC ands had McDavid and Karlsson I would try to keep them apart so that for ~90% of 5v5 time I’d have either McDavid or Karlsson on the ice.

Also,

Agreed that it’s way too early to know if 1.5 ankles of Karlsson is the same as 2.

It certainly adds uncertainty to the bet.

OriginalPouzar

We don’t need Karlsson on the ice with McDavid when he have Nurse.

Nurse/McDavid at 5 on 5:

541 min
53% CF
56% FF
71% GS

McDavid drops to 50% goal share in 800 minutes without Nurse.

leadfarmer

Woodguy v2.0,

That’s why we give players a year to fully recover after undergoing major surgery. Look at Sekera after his surgery. He also delayed his offseason training and started his season a bit late and it’s hard to catch up on missed offseason training.
Team was an absolute tire fire as well.
The truth about Karlsson is a healthy cost control Karlsson would be a dream for this team with giving Larson and him the Burns Vlasic treatment. The player is truly one of the dynamic players in this league and Mcdavid and Karlsson on the ice together would be one of those stories old Lowetide would tell to his grandchildren.

JimmyV1965

Woodguy v2.0:
Someone called me a Erik Karlsson truther.

That’s because I looked at his contribution to the goal share and his deployment and figured “that’s a big bet that has a good chance of not paying off”

I’m a big believer in “its what you create minus what you give up”

Karlsson creates a ton, but he gives up a lot and does it while not playing against the best.

Last 4 years:

Karlsson Relative Team Goal Share.(team goal share with him on/off)
PlayerSeasonRel GF%
Erik Karlsson14/152.86
Erik Karlsson15/16-1.45
Erik Karlsson16/175.7
Erik Karlsson17/18-1.2

So 2 of the last 4 years OTT was actually better off with him off the ice. Huh.Injuries are a bitch.

Karlsson Relative Team mate Goal Share (total of the WOWY weighted by TOI)

This is where the rubber hits the road imo:

PlayerSeasonRelT GF%
Erik Karlsson14/151.85
Erik Karlsson15/163.09
Erik Karlsson16/177.15
Erik Karlsson17/18-2.36

15/16 is very good.

16/17 is unworldly

17/18 is not good.

OTT players (as a group) see their GF% drop with Karlsson last year.

I’d be very, very leary about signing him for a long time.

17/18 might be blip on a long career, but if I was a GM who had to give a ~$70MM contract to this player it would give me serious pause.

Also,

Karlsson wasn’t playing “the toughs” either.

He’s a lot like Burns.

Burns plays 2nd pair and gets a ton of easier ice like Karlsson.

Norris trophy winner Burns was also a career < 50% GF when not with Thornton when he won that award.

Thornton.He has made other players about $250MM I think.

Also,

Vlasic/Braun play the best in SJS while Burns gets some freedom.

Ceci played toughs with Phaneuf (lordy) or rookie Chabot (LORDY) or Boroweicki (LORDY!!!!!!).

Poor guy.

That freed Karlsson for easier ice and better results (which was the correct decision)

I like Karlsson and “easy minute RHD who drives play vs other than toughs” is a spot that is open on EDM.

But to pay a ton for him isn’t a rock solid bet.

It might pay off or it might not.

Its not the slam dunk it appears to be imo.

I’d still love him as EDM 2RD.

That would be awesome.

You’d still need Larsson as 1RD because you still have to keep the other guys from scoring.

All this may be true, but his playoff performance two years ago was out of this world. I would love to get Karlsson, but I wouldn’t trade Drai straight up, even if he’s signed. And I’m not giving up much for an unsigned Karlsson. Certainly not RNH.

OriginalPouzar

A 3-year contract for a soon to be 26 year old that hasn’t played 60 NHL games and hasn’t been able to play 40 games in a season for 3 straight years? That contract by Dallas is a huge stretch.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves on Pitlick here. I like the player but he had one more goal than Drake last year and his Corsi Rel, GF% Rel and xGF% Rel were all in the negative.

Glovjuice

OriginalPouzar:
We don’t have Pitlick because he was hurt so often that he couldn’t play enough games to continue being an RFA and he became a Group IV UFA and then Dallas offered him a 3 year contract which Pitlick himself acknowledged blew him away as he was simply hoping a team would offer a one-way deal.

Why wait all that time for a second round pick and not give him the three years though, that number is burieable in the minors or he gets claimed on waivers.

godot10

OriginalPouzar:
We don’t have Pitlick because he was hurt so often that he couldn’t play enough games to continue being an RFA and he became a Group IV UFA and then Dallas offered him a 3 year contract which Pitlick himself acknowledged blew him away as he was simply hoping a team would offer a one-way deal.

The OIlers didn’t offer him a contract when they were the only team that could offer him one. They offered an inferior player twice the money instead, and a duration they probably would not have had
to offer Pitlick.

Scungilli Slushy

There are only a handful of true elite D in the league in any season. Teams win with them and without them.

What really drives playoff success is real depth, resourceful coaching, having game breakers,Lady Luck and health. Hit the easy button.

The Oilers are in a good position if they don’t get stupid again. I’m so sure they won’t.

Ancient Oilers Fan

Ancient History:

Sather didn’t choose to trade Coffey and Coffey didn’t turn down the an offer for equity in a project for a weekly pay cheque.

Coffey sat in the dressing room while the team was celebrating a Stanley Cup victory and stated: “That’s the last game I play for the oilers’. Really knocked the edge off my Stanley glow.

The story I heard was that the team was not playing to standard so Sather lit into Gretzky and Coffey big time. If you chastise the best forward and the best defenseman in the world the whole team gets the message. As the story goes Gretzky said I’ll show you and did. Coffey said I’ll show you and did but also said I’ll never play for you again.

Recent History:

I think Bouchard not playing in Europe has more to do with the NHL-CHL agreement than his contract with the Knights.

When Yakupov wanted to play in Europe during the lockout (his rookie season) noises were made that he couldn’t go because of his CHL contract. Court action was threatened and the CHL relented. One of the rumors was that they relented because the CHL contract was signed when he was a minor.

With Bouchard under Oiler control he has to go where he is assigned and the Oilers are under contract to send him back to the CHL if he doesn’t make the team.

If I remember correctly, minors can’t be held to contracts they sign and if their parents signed them the minor can repudiate the contract when they reach majority. Now that is a memory from a business law class I had to take in the early 70’s so one of the lawyers here can correct me if I am wrong.

OriginalPouzar

We don’t have Pitlick because he was hurt so often that he couldn’t play enough games to continue being an RFA and he became a Group IV UFA and then Dallas offered him a 3 year contract which Pitlick himself acknowledged blew him away as he was simply hoping a team would offer a one-way deal.

Row Dog

I know this is a superficial thing, but, I really hope they go back to the blue jerseys. These orange ones are atrocious! The best player in the world shouldn’t be skating around in that GD jersey.

Speaking of jerseys, I miss when the home team wore white. I found it more interesting to see the away teams in a variety of different colours.

I am an Ontario Oilers’ fan and stumbled on this forum a few month ago. I’m glad I did. Thanks Lowetide and contributors.

Scungilli Slushy

Scungilli Slushy:
For recent teams that repeated Cups, their top D was dominant two ways IMO. Pens got by with a struggling or missing Letang, but L.A., Hawks and when Wings were winning they had elite defensive D that also scored well.

Karlsson is great but for me not , Lidstrom, Doughty, or Keith in his prime. For a team with a Hedman left side sure, but the Oilers best defensive D is also a righty. Maybe Nurse some day but not yet.

Of course I don’t value high offense lower defense D as much as most. I prefer a group of cheaper D that are two way because of the cap and how often D get hurt and how it impacts careers.

It’s nice to win a cup, I prefer getting the shot year in and out for as long s possible, there is so much luck involved with hockey, and the Oilers have the best forward there is for the foreseeable future.

WG nails it with facts, what a beauty you is

Scungilli Slushy

frjohnk:
If Drai for Karlsson is a no go for most people, how bad is the Hall Larsson swap?

It makes no sense because it was a sideburns trade not a hockey trade IMO, likely heavily mandated by guys with red stained teeth

Scungilli Slushy

For recent teams that repeated Cups, their top D was dominant two ways IMO. Pens got by with a struggling or missing Letang, but L.A., Hawks and when Wings were winning they had elite defensive D that also scored well.

Karlsson is great but for me not , Lidstrom, Doughty, or Keith in his prime. For a team with a Hedman left side sure, but the Oilers best defensive D is also a righty. Maybe Nurse some day but not yet.

Of course I don’t value high offense lower defense D as much as most. I prefer a group of cheaper D that are two way because of the cap and how often D get hurt and how it impacts careers.

It’s nice to win a cup, I prefer getting the shot year in and out for as long s possible, there is so much luck involved with hockey, and the Oilers have the best forward there is for the foreseeable future.

Glovjuice

OriginalPouzar: I wish the coach had a realistic opinion of him.The coach has been hurting Drake’s career by giving him top 6 minutes.He’s not a top 6 player.

If Drake is willing to do anything that he needs the coach to help him realize what it took Cogliano a few years to realize – he’s not going to be a top 6 player and he needs to work on the skills that will make him effective as a bottom 6 player (responsible, tenacious, PK, etc.).

It’s settled – Tenacious D

Woodguy v2.0

Someone called me a Erik Karlsson truther.

That’s because I looked at his contribution to the goal share and his deployment and figured “that’s a big bet that has a good chance of not paying off”

I’m a big believer in “its what you create minus what you give up”

Karlsson creates a ton, but he gives up a lot and does it while not playing against the best.

Last 4 years:

Karlsson Relative Team Goal Share. (team goal share with him on/off)
Player Season Rel GF%
Erik Karlsson 14/15 2.86
Erik Karlsson 15/16 -1.45
Erik Karlsson 16/17 5.7
Erik Karlsson 17/18 -1.2

So 2 of the last 4 years OTT was actually better off with him off the ice. Huh. Injuries are a bitch.

Karlsson Relative Team mate Goal Share (total of the WOWY weighted by TOI)

This is where the rubber hits the road imo:

Player Season RelT GF%
Erik Karlsson 14/15 1.85
Erik Karlsson 15/16 3.09
Erik Karlsson 16/17 7.15
Erik Karlsson 17/18 -2.36

15/16 is very good.

16/17 is unworldly

17/18 is not good.

OTT players (as a group) see their GF% drop with Karlsson last year.

I’d be very, very leary about signing him for a long time.

17/18 might be blip on a long career, but if I was a GM who had to give a ~$70MM contract to this player it would give me serious pause.

Also,

Karlsson wasn’t playing “the toughs” either.

He’s a lot like Burns.

Burns plays 2nd pair and gets a ton of easier ice like Karlsson.

Norris trophy winner Burns was also a career < 50% GF when not with Thornton when he won that award.

Thornton. He has made other players about $250MM I think.

Also,

Vlasic/Braun play the best in SJS while Burns gets some freedom.

Ceci played toughs with Phaneuf (lordy) or rookie Chabot (LORDY) or Boroweicki (LORDY!!!!!!).

Poor guy.

That freed Karlsson for easier ice and better results (which was the correct decision)

I like Karlsson and "easy minute RHD who drives play vs other than toughs" is a spot that is open on EDM.

But to pay a ton for him isn't a rock solid bet.

It might pay off or it might not.

Its not the slam dunk it appears to be imo.

I'd still love him as EDM 2RD.

That would be awesome.

You’d still need Larsson as 1RD because you still have to keep the other guys from scoring.

Glovjuice

godot10: There is a reason for the low on ice save percentage.He is a complete defensive liability.It is like playing a man short.The save percentage goes down.

One has to pass a threshold of competence before a general rule of thumb like “players don’t affect save percentage” applies.

Caggiula is NOT an NHL player.Neither is Rattie.

Agreed, I’m stunned we have Drake over, say, Pitlick. Drake would be equally effective playing with a ringette stick.

leadfarmer

Bank Shot: He still had what? 62 points in 70 games coming off the ankle injury.

I wouldn’t say its been causing him major issues.Either way I’d let a professional examine the medical records and if they think its fine that would be good enough for me.

He clearly has recovered from that ankle surgery. The issue is how long is that ankle going to hold up. Things like that don’t get better as you age

OilClog

If it’s anything more then Klef+ or Jesse+ it’s an overpay for the current situation Ottawa is in.

IMO taking 93 off of 97’s wing see he can run with 29 is the same as trying to reinvent the wheel?

Why? Are you sure you want to do that? Fixings unbroken things is your thing eh

Wilde

OriginalPouzar,

A decent way to check this is just looking at their OZ/NZ starts

Entirely unintentional units still get faceoffs, but they’re all DZ one post-icing.

Bling

I wouldn’t go near Karlsson because of that ankle injury.

Ribs

OriginalPouzar: How many of them have had sliced achillies and “half their ankle bone removed”?

I think you mean “How many of them have upgraded super ankles that now operate at 110%!”

OriginalPouzar

Wilde: I’m at the spot inthe season this unit happened in my game reviews and this was used exclusively in late-game, trailing situations

Thanks – I wasn’t even sure if it was deployed as a line or just line change overlap – now I know they did get a few real shifts together.

OriginalPouzar

Ribs: Video or it never happened!

To be honest, I can’t even confirm that they were run as a line and most of that time wasn’t just line change overlap.

godot10

Bank Shot: I listed two that missed entire seasons to knee injuries. Those are major injuries.

Knee injuries are not what they used to be.

Ribs

Wilde: You don’t want to see it. It’s complete blue-balling. Just sheer dominance vs turtling structure but they couldn’t score.

Got stopped a few times in the neutral zone too.

Very cool! Thanks guys.

OriginalPouzar

4020Driver:
Hi all, I read this blog daily but rarely post.I was wondering why teams don’t send prospects that are too good for Major Junior but too young for the AHL to Europe for a year?I think a prospect like Evan Bouchard might develop more spending a year in the Swedish Elite League or Swiss League than playing another year in the OHL.Is there a rule preventing teams from doing this?

Its not an option as they have contracts with their CHL teams and are committed.

Its not like Auston Matthews that had no obligation to a CHL team.

OriginalPouzar

Bank Shot: I think Karlsson would be a no brainer easy re-sign. Norris trophy winners age well.

Here’s the winners since 1990: (The ones over 35)
Bourque
Lidstrom
Chelios
Coffey
Leetch
Blake
MacInnis
Pronger
Niedermayer
Chara

Here’s the guys from that group that were no longer good at age 35:

Most of them had freakish longevity.

How many of them have had sliced achillies and “half their ankle bone removed”?

OriginalPouzar

Bank Shot:

I still have time for Drake. He had one of the lowest on ice shooting % and save % on the team last year. Maybe he gets some luck this year.He has a realistic opinion of himself as a player and is willing to do anything to make it. I think that counts for something.

I wish the coach had a realistic opinion of him. The coach has been hurting Drake’s career by giving him top 6 minutes. He’s not a top 6 player.

If Drake is willing to do anything that he needs the coach to help him realize what it took Cogliano a few years to realize – he’s not going to be a top 6 player and he needs to work on the skills that will make him effective as a bottom 6 player (responsible, tenacious, PK, etc.).

Wilde

Ribs: Video or it never happened!

You don’t want to see it. It’s complete blue-balling. Just sheer dominance vs turtling structure but they couldn’t score.

Got stopped a few times in the neutral zone too.

Wilde

OriginalPouzar: 6 mintues together at evens last year with 70% posession (generally) – zero goals either direction.

I’m at the spot in the season this unit happened in my game reviews and this was used exclusively in late-game, trailing situations

OriginalPouzar

Bank Shot:
You don’t trade Draisaitl for Karlsson.

You give Ottawa the “Pronger to Anaheim” package.

So:

2 1st round picks (granted one conditonal)
A 2nd round pick
A recently drafted top 10 d-man (Bouchard)
A 21 year old emerging goal scorer – Lupul had scored 29 – we don’t have this, JP would be the closest but he’s not established – likely Nuge

Bank Shot

PinkSocks: Duncan Keith?Won the Norris twice, most recently at 30 years old.

Currently he is 35, and last year was a certifiable dumpster fire.No major injuries either.

Contract notwithstanding, if the Oilers were to acquire any recent RHD Norris winner, I’d take Doughty and Subban before Karlsson for sure, probably even Burns. It’s far too much risk for a player with an injury that will not ever fully heal.

Duncan Keith would be an exception. Chicago as a whole had an off year last season. We will see how he bounces back.

I’d take Doughty over Karlsson as well. I’d take Karlsson over the other two.

Subban won his Norris in a half season. He’s never come close again. He’s never scored as many points in a season as Karlsson did coming off his ankle surgery.

I get Karlsson’s injury sounds scary but he missed like 10 games and still played at a high level after coming back.

Ribs

OriginalPouzar: 6 mintues together at evens last year with 70% posession (generally) – zero goals either direction.

Video or it never happened! 😉

Wilde

OriginalPouzar: I would love to see Strome explored at wing in the top 6.

I think the switch that makes sense to me is to move Brodziak to 3C – he had a fantastic 16 game stretch up the lineup last year with Steen and Berglund with many primary points and led the team in P/60 during that stretch.

No, we don’t want to rely on him as the 3C all year long but I think he can play up the lineup and contribute for stretches.

It’s funny, Steen and Berglund are(were) some of the weaker links in the STL forward corps, but in this case they’re a better set than a lot of what the Oilers can run on the 3rd unit if they’re loading up the top six with McDavid, Nuge, Draisaitl, Strome and Puljujarvi.

(And so the trouble with projecting Brodziak at 3C based on his spotwork there last year is the difference in linemates the Oilers could give compared to what the Blues gave him)

Steen and Lucic are pretty close in ability, but Berglund is the opposite of a lot of wingers on the Oilers that have some offensive ability but aren’t good at all in transition or coverage.

I think it’d have to be Lucic – Brodziak – Rieder and pray.

You know though, I’ll bet anyone that can give me good odds that L2 coming out of camp will be Lucic – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi, and I think that’s a fine way to run it to start too.

OriginalPouzar

frjohnk:
If Drai for Karlsson is a no go for most people, how bad is the Hall Larsson swap?

That’s not really a fair question, now, is it?

I would say that the following are HUGE factors:

– one player at 28 years old signed for one more year that is going to require 8 X $11M to re-sign and will likely not resign in any event (i.e. one year rental) and has a serious injury history

– one player at 23 and signed for 5 more years at very reasonable money

In this era a trade cannot simply be looked at as player vs. player.

Bank Shot

leadfarmer:
Bank Shot,

Yes but that is not what Karlsson had.He had, as he states it “Half his ankle bone removed”.The question of how the ankle will hold up going forward is a very significant one.

He still had what? 62 points in 70 games coming off the ankle injury.

I wouldn’t say its been causing him major issues. Either way I’d let a professional examine the medical records and if they think its fine that would be good enough for me.

Bank Shot

godot10: None of those guys on the list had major injuries in their twenties.

I listed two that missed entire seasons to knee injuries. Those are major injuries.

OriginalPouzar

Ribs: I’d like to see this for a few shifts… 93-29-97. Just to see! C’mon!

6 mintues together at evens last year with 70% posession (generally) – zero goals either direction.

OriginalPouzar

dustrock:
What would you say if Chiarelli said “screw it, I’ll trade for 1 year of Karlsson, knowing I probably can’t sign him to an extension”?

Would you trade Puljujarvi and the 2019 1st for one year with Karlsson, for a real good shot at the Stanley Cup?

Does that give the team a real good shot at Stanley? I say not really.

OriginalPouzar

Spooky Lynx: SHL, KHL, or some other high level European league?

Or is that impossible with Bouchard being signed to an NHL entry level contract?

Its impossible, I believe, because he is signed to the CHL.

Its not the same as Matthews who wasn’t committed to the CHL.

OriginalPouzar

Wilde:
I’ve been trying to figure out how to get 93 and 29 together too.

Biggest bugger in the whole thing?

Not having an extra depth centre.

Aberg – McDavid – Puljujarvi

Nuge – Draisaitl – Strome

Lucic – Khaira – Rieder

Upshall – Brodziak – Kassian

I just don’t really want to put Juhjar in a spot like that. A lot of the impression of his improvement last year was based on some goals where he beat NHL goalies clean from some distance and I don’t know if he’s that guy.

I would love to see Strome explored at wing in the top 6.

I think the switch that makes sense to me is to move Brodziak to 3C – he had a fantastic 16 game stretch up the lineup last year with Steen and Berglund with many primary points and led the team in P/60 during that stretch.

No, we don’t want to rely on him as the 3C all year long but I think he can play up the lineup and contribute for stretches.

Wilde

If this team had McDavid, Karlsson and cap problems, I can guarantee the cap problems wouldn’t be because of McDavid and Karlsson.

PinkSocks

Bank Shot: I think Karlsson would be a no brainer easy re-sign. Norris trophy winners age well.

Here’s the winners since 1990: (The ones over 35)
Bourque
Lidstrom
Chelios
Coffey
Leetch
Blake
MacInnis
Pronger
Niedermayer
Chara

Here’s the guys from that group that were no longer good at age 35:

Most of them had freakish longevity.

Duncan Keith? Won the Norris twice, most recently at 30 years old.

Currently he is 35, and last year was a certifiable dumpster fire. No major injuries either.

Contract notwithstanding, if the Oilers were to acquire any recent RHD Norris winner, I’d take Doughty and Subban before Karlsson for sure, probably even Burns. It’s far too much risk for a player with an injury that will not ever fully heal.

N64

Munny: Disney buying Fox

That deal does not include Fox Network or Fox News.

leadfarmer

godot10,

You dont have surgery like that without serious degeneration of the ankle.

godot10

JustWatt:
Bank Shot,

That’s a shocking list. Man, now I REALLY want Karlsson. (though to be fair how many of those guys had an injury as serious as Karlsson’s)

None of those guys on the list had major injuries in their twenties.