Riesen to Believe 2018 Volume 2

The last time we ran Riesen to Believe, two weeks ago, it seemed things were pretty much set for training camp. A few invites possible, maybe a small deal or waiver move late, we’re on to Cologne. Suddenly, Andrej Sekera’s year is in question, the team signs a replacement defenseman and we have a forward sign a PTO. Are we there yet?

THE ATHLETIC!

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GOALIES

  1. Cam Talbot, 31. Save percentage fell from .919 to .908, he went from being the team’s best penalty killer to an inconsistent stopper. I think the organization still believes in him but won’t hesitate to move on if it comes to saving the season—but my guess is he recovers. 100%.
  2. Mikko Koskinen, 30. His KHL save percentage (.937 SP) is stellar but those goalies from Russia are a little all over in Year One NHL performance. Anders Nilsson was a .936 KHL goalie and sported a .901 SP in Edmonton during 2015-16. I think Koskinen will perform better but Nilsson kept the job until the trade deadline (Oilers got the pick that turned into Graham McPhee for him). 90%
  3. Al Montoya, 33. Montoya didn’t impress (.906) after coming over in a trade but there’s every chance he’ll play well enough to be in the conversation at training camp. 10%
  4. Shane Starrett, 24. He was a regular in the ECHL (.912 in 38 games) with a .895SP in three games for the Condors. Depending on what happens with the three NHL goalies, he might be starting in Bakersfield (seems unlikely). Mike Griffith from Bakersfield.com has more on the goalies and new head coach Jay Woodcroft.
  5. Dylan Wells, 20. Peterborough allowed 36 shots per game, highest in the OHL. Wells save percentage (.896) doesn’t inspire but he may improve behind a better defense (Condors allowed 30.97 shots per game last year).
  6. Stuart Skinner, 19. He scorched junior shooters after being dealt to Swift Current, posting a .914SP during the rest of the regular season and .932 in 26 playoff games. I think he’s the best goalie prospect and would be intrigued by a push, but the Oilers never do that kind of thing.
  7. Olivier Rodrigue, 18. Prospect-stats.com has a metric called ‘goals saved above average per 30 minutes’ and Rodrigue ranked No. 2 among eligible Q goalies who were regulars (Zachary Emond ranked No. 1, barely ahead of Rodrigue). There’s a man named Colten Ellis who is eligible in 2019 and he had an enormous season by this new metric.

LEFT DEFENSE

  1. Oscar Klefbom, 25. Klefbom is “good to go” for training camp according to Jim Matheson, massive importance to the organization’s success. His defensive deficiencies are well documented, but Dangerous Fenwick via Puck IQ loves him both seasons they’ve measured. I think he’s key.  100%.
  2. Darnell Nurse, 23. Nurse doesn’t have a contract yet but he’s another big part of Edmonton’s blue. He faced (again according to Puck IQ) elite opposition 35 percent of his 5-on-5 time a year ago, garnering 49 percent possession and 56 percent goal share. We know that was partly McDavid-aided but he’s improving and he’s young, fast and can move that puck out of trouble. Also performed well offensively (his 5-on-5 per 60 was 0.93, No. 58 among regular NHL defensemen). He has some room to grow but appears to be delivering on the promise of his draft day. 100%.
  3. Jakub Jerabek, 27. He doesn’t have a lot of experience and this could be long-time forgotten by this time next year. That said, it looks like an astute bet, especially considering what was out there when the Sekera news hit. 70%
  4. Kevin Gravel, 26. He gets a boost with the Sekera injury despite not being a similar player. Experience (70 NHL games) becomes a big consideration with the injury to Rej. Now, 70 games doesn’t seem like much but it’s a helluva lot more than zero. He’s a shutdown type, better speed and younger than Eric Gryba. He’s 6.04, 212 but appears to use finesse defensively more than the redass. 60%
  5. Keegan Lowe, 25. The Lowe jokes continue unabated but he did good work in Bakersfield and we could see a lot of him this coming season. Similar to Gravel in style but brings a little more of an edge. 20%
  6. Ryan Stanton, 29. Injuries impacted his usage (and probably derailed a recall) in 2017-18 but his rugged style is a match for the Oilers. If he shows well in training camp, he might push Gravel for the No. 7 job. 10%
  7. Caleb Jones, 21. He struggled in his rookie season with Bakersfield, but the tools (speed, skill) suggest he could arrive quickly if he can put it all together. He has coverage gaps but that’s to be expected at his age. The speed will get him chances. 5%
  8. William Lagesson, 22. There’s a bit of the unknown with this player but the opening provided by Sekera’s injury means the coaching staff will be looking for options and strong play. Lagesson is in a good spot despite his placement lower on the current depth chart. 5%
  9. Andrej Sekera, 32. Frack. Shiza. Huge loss in an area that couldn’t afford it. Now there’s going to be pressure on Klefbom and Nurse, plus the team has to figure out how to populate the 4-5-6 spots behind Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse. Bah. I always liked Sekera going back to his eastern conference work, hope he makes it all the way back.
  10. Dmitri Samorukov, 19. Solid to very good last year in the OHL, played well in an AHL cup of coffee. He has a nice range of skills, but in reading on him via several sources he seems to be a tighter defender than some of his competition. A lock to head back to junior but he has a promising future.
  11. Jake Kulevich, 25. Big shutdown type played with the Manitoba Moose last season, I expect he’ll see action in both Wichita and Bakersfield. AHL deal. 
  12. Marc-Olivier Crevier-Morin, 22. Physical defender from the QMJHL who had a solid debut with the Wichita Thunder in 2017-18. He’s a depth player but looks like a solid pro based on one season. AHL deal
  13. Jared Wilson, 23. Not much on him, he came up through the AJHL and BCHL and then played for RPI (NCAA) where he scored more goals than you would expect for an obscure rearguard. AHL deal

RIGHT DEFENSE

  1. Adam Larsson, 25. Like Klefbom, Larsson’s reputation suffered during a trying season but he remains the class of the group. Larsson is a player-type I enjoy watching and value, he defends well and has some offensive ability (that doesn’t always result in points). A valuable player. 100%.
  2. L Kris Russell, 31. He could move over to LH side with the injury to Sekera and that’s a preferred result. That said, the right side has fewer options and Russell remains here on our little depth chart for now.  100%.
  3. Matt Benning, 24.  I’m in favor of moving him up to the second pair no matter what happens with Russell but Dellow’s recent work is a revelation. I’d still try it. 100%.
  4. Evan Bouchard, 18. He got a break when he was drafted, turned heads (fans and management) with a cannon at orientation camp and now the Oilers are down on defenseman. He keeps getting breaks. I think he gets nine games but the script for more is there to be written. 50%
  5. Ethan Bear, 21. In writing about him for The Athletic, I’m excited to see his future but convinced he is far enough away from ready the club shouldn’t count on him this fall. That doesn’t mean the Oilers agree. 20%
  6. Joel Persson, 24. The Oilers aren’t bringing him over but if we reach next training camp with everything running in place, Persson will vie with Bouchard and Bear for RH puck mover, all things being equal.
  7. Ryan Mantha, 22. The concern is his eye injury and only time will tell. He was quality in Bakersfield and might have gotten a call if he had stayed healthy. A bitter pill, here’s hoping he can make it back to previous levels and continue to push.
  8. Logan Day, 23. Only geeks like me noticed, but Day was a big offensive player in college and might have an impact in Bakersfield. AHL deal. 
  9. Justin Lemcke, 21. I always liked him in the OHL and suspect he’ll be a popular player in Wichita this coming season. Minor league deal. 

CENTER

  1. Connor McDavid, 21. Some of the point-total predictions I’m seeing are mind-boggling. I think he’ll finish shy of 135 points this season, the Oilers are going to use 97 in a “Mats Sundin will need to drag the team into the playoffs and make Dmitri Khristich a 20-goal man at the same time” role for much of all of the campaign. Note: This does NOT mean I hate Connor McDavid.  100%.
  2. Leon Draisaitl, 22. One of the main items to watch this coming season involves Leon and the No. 2 line. If they can outscore their opposition, I think the Oilers make the playoffs. I would put Nuge on his line. 100%. 
  3. Ryan Strome, 25. There are some experienced observers of the Oilers who are predicting 40+ points, but that depends on usage in my opinion. Strome didn’t see the 97 line a lot this past season and will be getting the third set of wingers when he’s in the middle. 100%.
  4. Kyle Brodziak, 34. He’s going to be in the NHL for the next two years, but the style of player he is, and the production he brings, suggests we are close to the end of the line. It’s impossible to project him to repeat last season but if he can help the penalty kill then Edmonton will be paid in full. 100%
  5. Brad Malone, 29Malone can play center, wins faceoffs, penalty kills and it won’t hurt him to sit in the pressbox for long stretches. He isn’t a sexy option but he’ll fit under the cap and can do some things. 5%.
  6. Cooper Marody, 21. Some buzz around Marody, whose final college season (40, 16-35-51) for Michigan was a quality junior season. He is one of the group on this fall’s roster who could surprise and push for a job. Smart player, slight chance he turns out to be the pleasant surprise of training camp. 5%.
  7. Josh Currie, 25. The nature of his contract tells me the club either sees him as a possible option for NHL play (this is unlikely) or it’s getting more difficult to sign AHL centers these days. He got a signing bonus and will make $160,000 in year two of the deal.
  8. Tyler Vesel, 24. His time is now, despite the fact Vesel has never played a game of pro hockey. That said, he has a nice range of skills and will probably fit well into multiple scenarios.
  9. Cameron Hebig, 21. He enters pro hockey with a team hungry for offense. Hebig averaged 4.6 shots per game, suspect he’ll be used in an offensive role in Bakersfield.
  10. Colin Larkin, 24. He appears to be an offensively shy center who is best suited for a checking and penalty killing role in the minors.
  11. Lane Bauer, 22. He’s in Wichita (on their roster) suspect there’s a good chance Bauer gets an invite to training camp. Minor league deal. 
  12. Ryan McLeod, 19. Fast train rookie with some real promise, this will be a chance for him to see how he shines against older players.

LEFT WING

  1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, 25. Patrick Maroon scored 29 goals in 1500 minutes (1.16 goals per 60, approx) with Connor McDavid over three seasons (in all disciplines). Leon Draisaitl has scored 39 goals in 2,400 minutes (all disciplines) with 97 (.975 goals per 60, approx). Last year, Nuge scored eight goals in 300 minutes (1.6 goals per 60, approx, once again in all disciplines). Can he score 30 with McDavid? 100%.
  2. Milan Lucic, 30. .His best stat might be Corsi for 5-on-5, where he is 52.72 percent with Connor McDavid, 50.04 without. Lucic was over 50 percent with 97, 29, 93 and Strome last season. It doesn’t change the money v. production ratio but the puck was headed in a good direction. 100%.
  3. Drake Caggiula, 24. He scores 13-12-25 per 82 games, but his possession numbers are not strong. In my model it was fairly easy to replace his minutes and I think this is a big season for him. Edmonton can’t afford meager production. 100%.
  4. Jujhar Khaira, 24. May have done enough to find a home on the No. 3 line with Ryan Strome but more likely spends most of the year on the No. 4 line with Kyle Brodziak. Khaira is an improving penalty killer. 100%.
  5. Pontus Aberg, 25. If you look strictly at numbers and performance from one year ago, Aberg should contend for No. 2 LW. I don’t see it happening, suspect he’s in tough for a job during training camp. 70%.
  6. Scottie Upshall, 34. His numbers from last season impress (delivering offense from the bowels of the roster) in some ways, and are left wanting (PK prowess) in others. When he signed I was convinced he would make the roster, now not as certain. Oilers need a penalty killer. 20%
  7. Tyler Benson, 20. I think the Oilers believe it’s only a matter of time and where he slots on the depth chart and wouldn’t be at all shocked if he’s an early recall. The first forward who enters pro hockey for the first time who is guaranteed a feature AHL role in several years.
  8. Joe Gambardella, 24. He came on offensively later in the season and has speed plus two-way acumen. I’m not saying he is a lock for an NHL career, but there’s a story here.
  9. Nolan Vesey, 23. He doesn’t have a lot on his resume that stands out, the big question is how much playing time he’ll get with the Condors.
  10. Ostap Safin, 19. He’s a mature prospect physically and has some power forward tendencies. I think he might make the grade based on potential and what’s left to learn in the QMJHL.
  11. Evan Polei, 22. He has slow boots but a fine shot and a nose for the net, Polei should make a living in the minors and who knows maybe he sees the NHL someday. AHL deal. 
  12. Braden Christoffer, 24. Now on a minor league deal, lack of offense was the catch in terms of getting a second NHL contract. No idea where he lands, my guess is Bakersfield. AHL deal. 
  13. Ryan Van Stralen, 24. He scored well (8 goals in 16 games) for Wichita after finishing up at Carleton University, mostly a wild card but he can score in the ECHL. AHL deal.

RIGHT WING

  1. Ty Rattie, 25. Per 82 games in the NHL so far, he’s 15-17-32, but if he plays 82 games with Connor McDavid he might score 30. I don’t think he’ll hold on to the job, which is different than cheering against him. 100%.
  2. Tobias Rieder, 25. Per 82gp, he’s 14-19-33, I think he’ll play enough on a prominent line to score at a higher rate. A lot of people are saying the Oilers didn’t do much to help themselves this season, for me Rieder is a perfect fit. He’s the Pisani.  100%.
  3. Jesse Puljujarvi, 20. My guess is he blossoms this season, scoring 16-20 goals and establishing himself as a reliable young two-way forward. There’s a chance he blossoms and scores 35, and with his next contract looming, that does fall into the Oilers ‘luck of the Irish’ contract storylines. 100%.
  4. Zack Kassian, 27. Edmonton needs secondary scoring and one of these days Kassian is going to score more than seven goals. He absolutely gets enough chances to score 15 a year. His emerging penalty killing gives him more utility, but is he good enough at the job? 100%.
  5. Kailer Yamamoto, 20. I am predicting about half a season in Bakersfield before recall but wouldn’t be at all surprised if he makes the team out of camp. If he does, Jordan Eberle’s 69, 18-25-43 totals seem a reasonable projection. 50%.
  6. Mitch Callahan, 26. The Condors badly need a recovery season from Callahan, who was a solid AHL player before last year’s 45, 2-7-9 derailment. Before last year, per 82 games, he scored 21-21-42.
  7. Patrick Russell, 25. He was one of the last forwards standing at last year’s training camp, he can penalty kill and is rugged. The boots fail him but he might get another long look.
  8. Kirill Maksimov, 19. He’s a sniper, which is rare indeed for these Oilers. I don’t think he’ll get a long look but if they give him a preseason game don’t be surprised if he makes some noise.
  9. John McFarland, 26. He’s a former second-round pick in 2010, has kicked around for years now and is coming back to North America. No expectations. AHL deal. 

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy return as we enter a big week (Labor Day classic, we should start getting the roster invites for Oilers training camp). At 10 this morning, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Laura Armstrong, Toronto Star. Kendrys Morales goes super nova.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Jason is back, we’ll discuss Brooke Henderson’s massive win at the LPGA Canadian Open, plus Eskimos.
  • Matt Danely, Stampede Blue. We’ll chat Indianapolis Colts.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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87 Responses to "Riesen to Believe 2018 Volume 2"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Both NHL goalies (I assume Koskinen is an “NHL goalie”) are UFAs at year’s end and the prospects with potential are years away (rookie pro for one and the other 2 years to go in the Q).

    Will Talbot step up and earn himself another starter’s contract?

    I think so.

    Lets keep the term to 3 years (4 tops).

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    That Jim M. piece on Klefbom being “good to go” a few days ago was quite odd to me as it was out there from the organization that he was “good to go” to train fully a mere 5 weeks after the surgery in the spring.

    A healthy Klefbom is a massive piece for this organization.

    Hopefully he stays that way and Klef/Larsson can be a thing again.

    Can Darnell Nurse anchor the 2nd pairing (with Matty B. or, ugh, Kris Russell on his off-side)?

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    One intriguing story line for Bakersfield (that likely impacts the NHL lineup at some point this year), is the battle for ice as between Jones and Lagesson.

    Lagesson had a better season last year with arrows straight up whereas Jones struggled but did have some stretches of solid play (the middle of the season before he got hurt – credit Willis and The Athletic).

    At the same time, the AHL is a stronger league than the SHL.

    Lagesson can defend as well as skate and move the puck – those are coveted assets and, for me, he is closer to the NHL than Jones.

    We’ll see.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    I see Russell ahead of Benning on the right side depth chart there and, while I understand the reasoning and logic, I hope that Matty B. can win that job at camp on merit.

    Matty B. has done very well during his 2 years on the 3rd pairing but has struggled every time he’s been asked to move up the 2nd pairing (although playing with Russell or an injured Klefbom are no idea situations).

    Once again, a key to the season is Matty B. being able to step up and grab that 2RD spot – he failed to do so last year, however, with an ever developing Darnell Nurse anchoring the pair, I’m cautiously optimistic.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    As an aside, from accounts, Gravel spent most of his time in LA on the right side – perhaps Russell/Gravel is a 3rd pairing to look at.

  6. oilman says:

    George McPhee? Should Chia be worried?

  7. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As an aside, from accounts, Gravel spent most of his time in LA on the right side – perhaps Russell/Gravel is a 3rd pairing to look at.

    Oh my. If that’s our D to start the season given the schedule, Chia will save me $200 as there will be zero need to buy NHL Center Ice this season.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    I also have Puljujarvi ahead of Rieder on the right side depth chart but I fully acknowledge that the coaching staff (or head coach) may have already made up their (his) mind that Jesse slots in at 3RW to start the year.

    To me, Jesse is a top 6 type of player and Rieder is a middle 6/3rd line type of player and I’d like to slot them in to their appropriate roles.

    Of course, its on Jesse to win that 2RW spot (or even 1RW) as well as on the coach to give him a shot.

  9. Westchester Oil says:

    In two years, at the beginning of 2020-21, the Oilers D could easily look like this:

    1LD. Klefbom (age 27)
    2LD. Nurse (25)
    3LD Sekera (34) or Russell (33)

    1RD. Larsson (27)
    2RD. Bouchard (20)
    3RD Benning (26)

    7D. Bear (23)

    The only assumptions here are that we can unload at least one of Sekera/Russell’s contracts and that either Bouchard or Benning (or possibly Bear) becomes a bonafide 2RD by then.

    In that case, it would be highly likely that the Oilers D would be in the top 10 in the league. Combine that with 97 up front and a lot of good things could happen.

  10. treevojo says:

    texmex: Oh my. If that’s our D to start the season given the schedule, Chia will save me $200 as there will be zero need to buy NHL Center Ice this season.

    Disagree.

    Connor McDavid is worth every cent of that $200 regardless of the team around him.

  11. jtblack says:

    LT: Who would you put on Connor’s LW?

    I would keep Nuge there all year. Keep the 4 Centers as you have outlined and give guys time to gel.

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Cam Talbot, 31. Save percentage fell from .919 to .908, he went from being the team’s best penalty killer to an inconsistent stopper. I think the organization still believes in him but won’t hesitate to move on if it comes to saving the season—but my guess is he recovers. 100%.

    I still think that the defensive set up on the 4v5 was more to blame than Talbot for the shitty 4v5 numbers.

    McLellan finally pulled his head out of his ass and changed the 4v5 set up in late January.

    Talbot’s 4v5 SV% splits
    16/17 Season .879

    17/18 Season
    Oct 1 – Jan 31 .803
    Feb 1 – Apr 15 .906
    Total 17/18 .842

    Now compare to his 5v5 SV%
    16/17 .929

    17/18 Season
    Oct 1 – Jan 31 .916
    Feb 1 – Apr 15 .917

    This is evidence that Talbot didn’t “up his game” after Feb 1.

    While the 4v5 shot through the roof, his 5v5 stayed the same.

    The 4v5 number was all about coverage, or more specifically lack thereof in the scoring areas.

    Why did Talbot’s 5v5 drop from .929 to .917?

    I think Dcorps has a role, I think Talbot has a role and I think Talbot being used too often has a role.

    There is every reason to expect Talbot to come in overall (all situations) at near the .919 he put up on 16/17 and not the .908 he put up in 17/18.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    L Kris Russell, 31. He could move over to LH side with the injury to Sekera and that’s a preferred result. That said, the right side has fewer options and Russell remains here on our little depth chart for now. 100%.

    Seeing as Jerabek played mostly with Benn on the second pair in MTL I asked a few of the MTL fans/writers that I follow which side he played as Benn is also LHD

    Andrew Berkshire (Sportsnet) responded: “Pretty sure it was Benn, but last year it could have changed shift to shift with how chaotic the D was.”

    Olivier Bouchard (The Athletic) responded: “Oh I think Jerabek played on the right side pretty much all the way.”

    Now I’m curious and will try to dig up the games Jerabek played in with Benn and see who is right.

    I think Olivier might have the goods here.

    If that’s true then that’s another option for 2RD

  14. russ99 says:

    Have we heard anything yet on the new coaches and their feedback changing some problematic things McLellan does?

    We need to be a lot better at line matching than in the past and also the blender needs to be used much much less frequently.

    If the new coaches help minimize McLellan’s ideal that every line should be able to handle the opposition, I can see Nuge and Khaira playing more center, as both would be ideal when we’re playing certain opposition that can roll multiple lines where our second and third lines could be hemmed in and in tough matchups in defensive zone starts.

    Not sure we want to throw a Lucic – Leon – Puljujarvi and a Caggiula – Strome – Aberg line to the wolves when playing teams like Winnipeg, Pittsburgh and St Louis, and we’re wasting last change if we’re not going to adapt to better match up against those teams.

    Wins are more important than coaching preferences this year.

  15. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Speaking of versatility, Gravel is said by a LAK beat writer (can’t remember who, Strudwick interviewed him about two weeks ago) to be competent playing on his off-side which opens up options on the 3RD spot as well.

  16. SkatinginSand says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I do not in any way disagree with your reasons for Talbot’s 5 vs. 5 drop, but I also believe that the man to man defensive system played a large role. Although many teams use this system effectively, the Oilers version was, to say the least, chaotic.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Chris Johnston:

    Darnell Nurse says he has “faith” he’ll be in camp with the #oilers. The RFA seems optimistic about his contract talks.

  18. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    SkatinginSand:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I do not in any way disagree with your reasons for Talbot’s 5 vs. 5 drop, but I also believe that the man to man defensive system played a large role. Although many teams use this system effectively, the Oilers version was, to say the least, chaotic.

    I agree with that.

    I shouldn’t just dump on the Dmen.

    To my eye the forwards didn’t change their assignments when the Dmen when chasing puck carrier quick enough (if at all) and that created open ice in the scoring areas as well.

  19. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Excellent. And by memory of eye (if that makes sense) most of Talbot’s howlers came at 5v5 often in the first couple of shots of the period. You take out the 7-8 howlers at 5v5 and it starts to look better

  20. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    L Kris Russell, 31. He could move over to LH side with the injury to Sekera and that’s a preferred result. That said, the right side has fewer options and Russell remains here on our little depth chart for now.100%.

    Seeing as Jerabek played mostly with Benn on the second pair in MTL I asked a few of the MTL fans/writers that I follow which side he played as Benn is also LHD

    Andrew Berkshire (Sportsnet) responded: “Pretty sure it was Benn, but last year it could have changed shift to shift with how chaotic the D was.”

    Olivier Bouchard (The Athletic) responded: “Oh I think Jerabek played on the right side pretty much all the way.”

    Now I’m curious and will try to dig up the games Jerabek played in with Benn and see who is right.

    I think Olivier might have the goods here.

    If that’s true then that’s another option for 2RD

    Andrew chimed in again:


    Andrew Berkshire
    ‏Verified account @AndrewBerkshire
    2h2 hours ago
    Replying to @oli_bou @Woodguy55 and

    I’d trust Olivier over me

    I’m still going to have a look, but Jerabek’s results in the 2nd pair with Benn were good (wasn’t a drag – decent results)

    If he did that from the right side, he might be a better option there than Russell, who is a significant drag when playing the right side.

  21. OilClog says:

    Why would Nuge ride with Leon? Why would the Oilers take away Mcdavids best running mate? This doesn’t make any sense.

    Usually older folks don’t fix what’s not broken

  22. Melvis says:

    It’s one of those great late August overcast, damp, windless days. Perfect for long walks, art making, and cooking.

    As long as I’m cooking the garden bounty today – caponata, ratatouille pie, curried squash wrapped in phyllo pastry – I thought I’d work on Hunter’s latest sobriquet for this crew. You maniacs and fanatics.

    Otherwise known as MAFA’s. I can see the tee’s now. Very complimentary.

  23. Pescador says:

    dustrock:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Excellent. And by memory of eye (if that makes sense) most of Talbot’s howlers came at 5v5 often in the first couple of shots of the period.You take out the 7-8 howlers at 5v5 and it starts to look better

    Often the first SHOT of the game,
    I believe the Oilers led the league in that category last season.
    **League average please**

  24. geowal says:

    Question about the whole need to login to see the new days lowetide post: is there a way, either on my end or the hosts, to make it so I don’t have to constantly rel-log in? I find myself doing the login process multiple times a day?
    An alternative would be a login portal on the home page, not just at the bottom of the articles.

  25. JimmyV1965 says:

    OilClog:
    Why would Nuge ride with Leon? Why would the Oilers take away Mcdavids best running mate? This doesn’t make any sense.

    Usually older folks don’t fix what’s not broken

    I think you can make a strong argument that Drai needs a good winger more than McDavid, who can generate scoring chances with lesser players. I’m not saying they should, but it makes sense.

  26. Gerta Rauss says:

    geowal,

    I’m on a tablet (Surface 2) and just leave the browser open all day-I log in once in the morning and just minimize Chrome (don’t close it)

    It’s a nuisance, but as long as we’re on WordPress/GoDaddy it appears to be a necessity

  27. Oilin4 says:

    treevojo: Disagree.

    Connor McDavid is worth every cent of that $200 regardless of the team around him.

    Word

  28. Oilin4 says:

    I’m late to the party (away on vacation) so apologize if anyone has made this point. One implication of the Sekera injury is that it gives Nurse a good deal more leverage in a hold out. I’m starting to get worried about the non-signing.

  29. jtblack says:

    JimmyV1965: I think you can make a strong argument that Drai needs a good winger more than McDavid, who can generate scoring chances with lesser players. I’m not saying they should, but it makes sense.

    No doubt Drai needs strong wingers. All Centers benefit from them. My issue is that since June 2015 the mantra has been “don’t worry, Connor will save the day. Don’t worry, Connor can do it. Give help to others, Connor is so good he will figure out a way.”

    PC made some horrible trades and figured Connor would cover his bet. As good as Connor is, why doesn’t he deserve a lift up?

    I think him and Nuge showed good chemistry at year end. so if you can take Connor to the 120 point range and have Nuge put up 70 ish … why not?

    let’s help Connor and make a Dominant #1 line, then tackle helping Leon. With Yammy and JP pushing, the Oilers should have a legitimate 2 lines this year, but if not, then for sure next year.

  30. Ribs says:

    geowal:
    Question about the whole need to login to see the new days lowetide post: is there a way, either on my end or the hosts, to make it so I don’t have to constantly rel-log in? I find myself doing the login process multiple times a day?
    An alternative would be a login portal on the home page, not just at the bottom of the articles.

    I’ve changed my bookmark to https://lowetide.ca/wp-login.php? . This eases things a little bit. If you select “Remember Me” from there, you shouldn’t have to login again from that browser session.

    If you close your browser and open it again you may have to, depending on your cookies settings.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    Oilin4:
    I’m late to the party (away on vacation) so apologize if anyone has made this point. One implication of the Sekera injury is that it gives Nurse a good deal more leverage in a hold out. I’m starting to get worried about the non-signing.

    A great GM would simply turn it around and tell the Nurse people: “Lucky you! Now you get more of a chance to prove yourself, while we seek other options.”

  32. geowal says:

    Ribs: I’ve changed my bookmark to https://lowetide.ca/wp-login.php? . This eases things a little bit. If you select “Remember Me” from there, you shouldn’t have to login again from that browser session.

    If you close your browser and open it again you may have to, depending on your cookies settings.

    Thanks Ribs and Gerta, I’ll try the bookmark option. I’ve also been on safari, I’ll try chrome too. I havent been closing the browser, I just get kicked out after a certain amount of time, I think maybe when I switch from wifi to telus networks and back when I’m on the move is when I get booted.

  33. Side says:

    geowal: Thanks Ribs and Gerta, I’ll try the bookmark option. I’ve also been on safari, I’ll try chrome too. I havent been closing the browser, I just get kicked out after a certain amount of time, I think maybe when I switch from wifi to telus networks and back when I’m on the move is when I get booted.

    You know when you are a true Oilers fan when you have to go to these lengths just to read a post on a website in August.

  34. Pescador says:

    Side: You know when you are a true Oilers fan when you have to go to these lengths just to read a post on a website in August.

    I’m also a massive fan of this fine blog
    & most of its contributors

  35. Rocknrolla says:

    Is Joel Persson coming to training camp? Would seem he may have the inside track here…

  36. Gerta Rauss says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Is Joel Persson coming to training camp?Would seem he may have the inside track here…

    Joel Persson, 24. The Oilers aren’t bringing him over but if we reach next training camp with everything running in place, Persson will vie with Bouchard and Bear for RH puck mover, all things being equal.

    I think our host mentioned something about him in the original post, but it’s understandable you missed it-nobody reads those things anyway

  37. geowal says:

    Side: You know when you are a true Oilers fan when you have to go to these lengths just to read a post on a website in August.

    Indeed. What some call a problem, I call a passion.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex: Oh my. If that’s our D to start the season given the schedule, Chia will save me $200 as there will be zero need to buy NHL Center Ice this season.

    Why? Russell on his left side on the third pairing is exactly where he should be.

    From accounts, Gravel was establishing himself as an every day guy in LA before he got sick.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Westchester Oil:
    In two years, at the beginning of 2020-21, the Oilers D could easily look like this:

    1LD. Klefbom (age 27)
    2LD. Nurse (25)
    3LD Sekera (34) or Russell (33)

    1RD. Larsson (27)
    2RD. Bouchard (20)
    3RDBenning (26)

    7D.Bear (23)

    The only assumptions here are that we can unload at least one of Sekera/Russell’s contracts and that either Bouchard or Benning (or possibly Bear) becomes a bonafide 2RD by then.

    In that case, it would be highly likely that the Oilers D would be in the top 10 in the league. Combine that with 97 up front and a lot of good things could happen.

    I assume that neither Sekera nor Russell are on the team 3 seasons from now and Lagesson, Jones and Samorukov are in play for a roster spot. Berglund could be in play for a right side D spot as well.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Cam Talbot, 31. Save percentage fell from .919 to .908, he went from being the team’s best penalty killer to an inconsistent stopper. I think the organization still believes in him but won’t hesitate to move on if it comes to saving the season—but my guess is he recovers. 100%.

    I still think that the defensive set up on the 4v5 was more to blame than Talbot for the shitty 4v5 numbers.

    McLellan finally pulled his head out of his ass and changed the 4v5 set up in late January.

    Talbot’s 4v5 SV% splits
    16/17 Season .879

    17/18 Season
    Oct 1 – Jan 31 .803
    Feb 1 – Apr 15.906
    Total 17/18 .842

    Now compare to his 5v5 SV%
    16/17 .929

    17/18 Season
    Oct 1 – Jan 31 .916
    Feb 1 – Apr 15 .917

    This is evidence that Talbot didn’t “up his game” after Feb 1.

    While the 4v5 shot through the roof, his 5v5 stayed the same.

    The 4v5 number was all about coverage, or more specifically lack thereof in the scoring areas.

    Why did Talbot’s 5v5 drop from .929 to .917?

    I think Dcorps has a role, I think Talbot has a role and I think Talbot being used too often has a role.

    There is every reason to expect Talbot to come in overall (all situations) at near the .919 he put up on 16/17 and not the .908 he put up in 17/18.

    I know the even strength save percentage didn’t drop too too much but I think the eye test tells more of the story on this one. He clearly wasn’t the same confident goalie as he was the previous year.

    He was sliding around on his knees way more than the previous year (which, to me, was a sign of lack of confidence).

    More than anything, he was not making the big save when the team needed one, like super rare. Additionally, the soft goals were happening at terrible times.

    He just wasn’t “right” last year to my eye.

    That was last year though and I look forward to a much better and confident Talbot this year.

  41. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Excellent. And by memory of eye (if that makes sense) most of Talbot’s howlers came at 5v5 often in the first couple of shots of the period.You take out the 7-8 howlers at 5v5 and it starts to look better

    Yeah, he locks those down and his 5v5 should be better.

    Players not letting their checks hang around the slot wide open should help too.

  42. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack: No doubt Drai needs strong wingers. All Centers benefit from them. My issue is that since June 2015 the mantra has been “don’t worry, Connor will save the day.Don’t worry, Connor can do it.Give help to others, Connor is so good he will figure out a way.”

    PC made some horrible trades and figured Connor would cover his bet.As good as Connor is, why doesn’t he deserve a lift up?

    I think him and Nuge showed good chemistry at year end.so if you can take Connor to the 120 point range and have Nuge put up 70 ish …why not?

    let’s help Connor and make a Dominant #1 line, then tackle helping Leon.With Yammy and JP pushing, the Oilers should have a legitimate 2 lines this year, but if not, then for sure next year.

    The best argument to put Nuge with Drai instead of McDavid is this:

    Since McDavid became an Oiler no center besides McDavid has posted a 50% goal share 5v5 except:

    1) if Hall was on the ice in 15/16
    2) Letestu in 16/17 who achieved 50% (25-25)

    EDM’s biggest issue is losing the goal share when McDavid isn’t on the ice.

    In 15/16 non McDavid or Hall Oilers got 33.9% of the goals.

    In 16/17 non McDavid got 48.9%. Mostly due to good health of the Dmen.

    In 17/18 non McDavid got 42%. Mostly due to bad Dman health and a bit due to lack of scoring wingers.

    Moving 93 to 29’s line would help that.

    97 would miss not having either 93 or 29 on his wing but the results from a 93-29 line should compensate.

  43. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    geowal: Indeed. What some call a problem, I call a passion.

    We would also accept “addiction”

  44. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I know the even strength save percentage didn’t drop too too much but I think the eye test tells more of the story on this one.He clearly wasn’t the same confident goalie as he was the previous year.

    He was sliding around on his knees way more than the previous year (which, to me, was a sign of lack of confidence).

    More than anything, he was not making the big save when the team needed one, like super rare.Additionally, the soft goals were happening at terrible times.

    He just wasn’t “right” last year to my eye.

    That was last year though and I look forward to a much better and confident Talbot this year.

    I did say that Talbot owned part of his 5v5 SV% decline.

    Part of your eye test (and mine) is due to being over worked imo.

    Over the last 2 years here are the TOI goalie leaders (regular season only)

    Talbot 8014 min
    Anderson 7627 min – fell apart in the playoffs – .896
    Bobrovsky 7618 min – fell apart in the playoffs – .901
    Jones 7216 min – .927
    Dubnyk 7203 min – playoff SV% .908

    The only “over worked” goalie who didn’t fall apart was Jones

    The two goalies who made the SCF both missed time during the regular season.

    Fleury because he was hurt and Holtby because he lost the starter job for a while.

    That’s not a coincidence.

    That is also the reason Pete paid a lot for a game backup that Todd might actually play.

  45. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Oilin4,

    Nurse and Sekera aren’t contract comparables.

    Nurse = RFA with no arbitration rights, second contract.
    Sekera = veteran UFA signing with established track record.

    We know what Rej is, we’re still waiting to find out where is Nurse’s ceiling.

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: At the same time, the AHL is a stronger league than the SHL.

    Not according to Rob Vollman.

  47. Jordan says:

    Woodguy v2.0: We would also accept “addiction”

    As addictions are a form of Mental Illness, would this qualify an Oilers fan to medicinal marijuana to help cope with the complications caused by the addiction issue?

    Does Lowetide’s count as a support group?

    Is this an incredibly broken form of group therapy?

    Should I have taken the red pill?

  48. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Chris Johnston:

    Darnell Nurse says he has “faith” he’ll be in camp with the #oilers. The RFA seems optimistic about his contract talks.

    Darnell understands public relations. He doesn’t want to alienate the fan base. But otherwise the comment has nothing to do with the state of negotiations.

  49. godot10 says:

    OilClog:
    Why would Nuge ride with Leon? Why would the Oilers take away Mcdavids best running mate? This doesn’t make any sense.

    Usually older folks don’t fix what’s not broken

    50 goals and 140 points from McDavid would be a bad thing, so people won’t let Nugent-Hopkins play on Connor’s wing. And we just can’t have Nugent-Hopkins running at a point per game.

  50. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jordan: As addictions are a form of Mental Illness, would this qualify an Oilers fan to medicinal marijuana to help cope with the complications caused by the addiction issue?

    Does Lowetide’s count as a support group?

    Is this an incredibly broken form of group therapy?

    Should I have taken the red pill?

    In a couple months you don’t need a prescription.

    Beer, wine, whiskey, weed.

    Whatever helps.

  51. godot10 says:

    geowal:
    Question about the whole need to login to see the new days lowetide post: is there a way, either on my end or the hosts, to make it so I don’t have to constantly rel-log in? I find myself doing the login process multiple times a day?
    An alternative would be a login portal on the home page, not just at the bottom of the articles.

    When I log in on word press for Lowetide, there is a little box that say check if you want to stay logged in. Does nobody else get this box?

    Login lasts one week before I have to log in again.

  52. pts2pndr says:

    texmex: Oh my. If that’s our D to start the season given the schedule, Chia will save me $200 as there will be zero need to buy NHL Center Ice this season.

    Not having to listen to Remenda makes it worth it!i

  53. Gerta Rauss says:

    godot10: When I log in on word press for Lowetide, there is a little box that say check if you want to stay logged in.Does nobody else get this box?

    Login lasts one week before I have to log in again.

    What browser are you using..?…operating system..?

    I think we all/most have that check box, it’s just that when you close the browser it clears the cache and you have to log in again

  54. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Why? Did you not watch last season? Sure Russell is 3LD, but means Benning is 2RD and gravel is 3RD. Didn’t chia make a similar bet last season with Gryba and Russell?

  55. texmex says:

    pts2pndr,

    Haha. I’m in the US so very seldom get the Canadian feed on NHL centerice.

    But yes, he was hard on the ears

  56. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The best argument to put Nuge with Drai instead of McDavid is this:

    Since McDavid became an Oiler no center besides McDavidhas posted a 50% goal share 5v5 except:

    1) if Hall was on the ice in 15/16
    2) Letestu in 16/17 who achieved 50% (25-25)

    EDM’s biggest issue is losing the goal share when McDavid isn’t on the ice.

    Moving 93 to 29’s line would help that.

    97 would miss not having either 93 or 29 on his wing but the results from a 93-29 line should compensate.

    I understand that line of thinking, but something like

    Nuge-McDavid-X
    X-Draisaitl-Strome

    might work too, with Brodziak and Khaira holding down the other center positions. Having Puljujarvi or Yamamoto stapled to Draisaitl’s RW might be enough, as long as they don’t have to drag around post-Christmas Lucic.

  57. ArmchairGM says:

    geowal: An alternative would be a login portal on the home page, not just at the bottom of the articles.

    This absolutely needs to happen.

  58. pts2pndr says:

    hunter1909: A great GM would simply turn it around and tell the Nurse people: “Lucky you! Now you get more of a chance to prove yourself, while we seek other options.”

    Right and contract resolution is your specialty!l

  59. pts2pndr says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Oilin4,

    Nurse and Sekera aren’t contract comparables.

    Nurse = RFA with no arbitration rights, second contract.
    Sekera = veteran UFA signing with established track record.

    We know what Rej is, we’re still waiting to find out where is Nurse’s ceiling.

    If you used this thinking in the stock market you might as well put your money in your matress! Value contracts and stability in an inflationary market are key to success in the cap world that is the NHL!

  60. geowal says:

    godot10: When I log in on word press for Lowetide, there is a little box that say check if you want to stay logged in.Does nobody else get this box?

    Login lasts one week before I have to log in again.

    I have “remember me”, but not “stay logged in”

  61. hunter1909 says:

    pts2pndr: If you used this thinking in the stock market you might as well put your money in your matress! Value contracts and stability in an inflationary market are key to success in the cap world that is the NHL!

    It’s not the stock market. It’s a 100% predictable amount of money(each of the 31 teams cap X 31) therefore you don’t need anything like the same intellectual skill set.

    What you do need, is a reputation. Look at that dude who’s taking over the NYI. Everyone respects him because he’s going to not cave in needlessly and all the agents know it. Oilers on the other hand turn up like virgins in a brothel, waving their money around like there’s an endless supply, which in a way there is until it’s all spent and then they wake up on the floor with a non-playoff team with huge problems resigning players like Nurse – who no way should be offered anything more than a contract that reflects the reality that he’s nowhere near a top pairing defenceman – yet.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: I understand that line of thinking, but something like

    Nuge-McDavid-X
    X-Draisaitl-Strome

    might work too, with Brodziak and Khaira holding down the other center positions. Having Puljujarvi or Yamamoto stapled to Draisaitl’s RW might be enough, as long as they don’t have to drag around post-Christmas Lucic.

    This is supported by various numbers.

    1) Strome has shown, in small samples, to play well with both McDavid and Drai.

    2) Brodziak has shown, in a 16 game sample last year post-deadline, to be able to play up the lineup – he had sensational numbers playing with Steen and Berglund after the Satstny trade last year.

    I wouldn’t want to rely on Brodziak as the 3C full time, however, when they need to load up in games, moving Strome up to top 6 wing and Brodziak to 3C has some merit.

  63. leadfarmer says:

    hunter1909,

    The guy that gave Komarov 3 mil per for 4 years and a limited no trade clause is not the example you are looking for

  64. GMB3 says:

    Mahershala Ali set to star in the third season of True Detective. I have high hopes that it will better than the second season.

    I’m not sure what is more likely to be dissapointing, this years edition of the Oilers or the new season of TD.

  65. godot10 says:

    Gerta Rauss: What browser are you using..?…operating system..?

    I think we all/most have that check box, it’s just that when you close the browserit clears the cache and you have to log in again

    I use Chrome on Microsoft, Max OS, Android. I just don’t close my browser. But I don’t think it is a problem even if I close my browser (unless I use an incognito window).

  66. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: This is supported by various numbers.

    1) Strome has shown, in small samples, to play well with both McDavid and Drai.

    2) Brodziak has shown, in a 16 game sample last year post-deadline, to be able to play up the lineup – he had sensational numbers playing with Steen and Berglund after the Satstny trade last year.

    I wouldn’t want to rely on Brodziak as the 3C full time, however, when they need to load up in games, moving Strome up to top 6 wing and Brodziak to 3C has some merit.

    Yeah, running both Strome AND Nugent-Hopkins as wingers leaves the bottom-6 much weaker. I’m hoping a strong start by Puljujarvi nullifies this conundrum.

    Personally I’m convinced Khaira can be a positive contributor on Draisaitl’s left side – meaning Nugent-Hopkins can stay with McDavid – but as the coaching staff doesn’t see it this way and will likely put Lucic there it’s important to have a strong option on his starboard side. Reider, Kassian or Aberg could be that guy, but there’s not enough track to depend on any of these options being material top-6 players.

  67. leadfarmer says:

    GMB3,

    That first season was so good. No Vince Vaughn is a recipe for success

  68. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “In 15/16 non McDavid or Hall Oilers got 33.9% of the goals.

    In 16/17 non McDavid got 48.9%. Mostly due to good health of the Dmen.

    In 17/18 non McDavid got 42%. Mostly due to bad Dman health and a bit due to lack of scoring wingers.”

    *********

    I agree that the Non McD quality GF% has to get better.

    Whether 48% in 2017 or 42% in 2018, you are pinning it on the D health; which i agree with. The year this team went to the Playoffs they had good health and 1 dominant line (McD -Drai).

    I think they roll out this d core, have a dominant line (McD – Nuge) & give Leon any combination of JP, Lucic, Rieder. Give Leon 15 – 20 games. I think Leon is ready to deliver over 50% GF.

    Also if RNH drops back, who plays LW1 with Connor? He’s not easy to play with (you know what I mean)

  69. jtblack says:

    What was Strome’s GF% last yr? & last yr after X mas?

    I am a bit old school but I still believe Center depth helps a team win. I really like
    McD
    Drai
    Strome
    Brodziak

    This is the best Center depth since 2006? Might be since late 1980’s

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Yeah, running both Strome AND Nugent-Hopkins as wingers leaves the bottom-6 much weaker. I’m hoping a strong start by Puljujarvi nullifies this conundrum.

    Yes which is why i suggested it to mainly be used when they are shortening the bench in a game.

  71. Glovjuice says:

    leadfarmer:
    GMB3,

    That first season was so good.No Vince Vaughn is a recipe for success

    leadfarmer:
    GMB3,

    That first season was so good.No Vince Vaughn is a recipe for success

    While I agree that the second “season” was not as great as the first, I am genuinely suprised at the seemingly fashionable negative feedback for the second iteration – in particular, the concern over Vaughn who clearly delivered a nuanced noirish performance clearly requested by the director (he nailed it) – as did Ferrell of course. It was so cool how he second “season” was in such a different style compared to the first (allthough, not technically a season as it was clearly a distinct, separate piece of art).

  72. Pescador says:

    GMB3:
    Mahershala Ali set to star in the third season of True Detective. I have high hopes that it will better than the second season.

    I’m not sure what is more likely to be dissapointing, this years edition of the Oilers or the new season of TD.

    I thought this scene was rather thought provoking;

    https://youtu.be/u9Nwaws1xOE

  73. leadfarmer says:

    Glovjuice,

    His character was fine. I just don’t like Vince Vaughn.

  74. Melvis says:

    Glovjuice:
    While I agree that the second “season” was not as great as the first, I am genuinely suprised at the seemingly fashionable negative feedback for the second iteration – in particular, the concern over Vaughn who clearly delivered a nuanced noirish performance clearly requested by the director (he nailed it) – as did Ferrell of course.It was so cool how he second “season” was in such a different style compared to the first (allthough, not technically a season as it was clearly a distinct, separate piece of art).

    I also thought Rachel McAdams was great in season 2.

  75. pts2pndr says:

    hunter1909: It’s not the stock market. It’s a 100% predictable amount of money(each of the 31 teams cap X 31) therefore you don’t need anything like the same intellectual skill set.

    What you do need, is a reputation. Look at that dude who’s taking over the NYI. Everyone respects him because he’s going to not cave in needlessly and all the agents know it. Oilers on the other hand turn up like virgins in a brothel, waving their money around like there’s an endless supply, which in a way there is until it’s all spent and then they wake up on the floor with a non-playoff team with huge problems resigning players like Nurse – who no way should be offered anything more than a contract that reflects the reality that he’s nowhere near a top pairing defenceman – yet.

    I was a little harsh. What I wanted to say is respect is a two way street! Make a firm offer but skip the threat ( While we look for another option ). I do not disagree with your thinking,more with the way you worded it. In my experience threats or ultamatums rarely work!

  76. Glovjuice says:

    Melvis: I also thought Rachel McAdams was great in season 2.

    Agreed – the full cast, really.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    pts2pndr: I was a little harsh. What I wanted to say is respect is a two way street! Make a firm offer but skip the threat ( While we look for another option ). I do not disagree with your thinking,more with the way you worded it. In my experience threats or ultamatums rarely work!

    Pre-Montreal NHL and then AHL stalwart Larry Robinson was told unless he shaped up he was never going to make the Canadiens – that night he went out and beat the daylights out of the other team to make an impression. And continued to do so until he made the bigs.

    Hockey players are human beings. They respond to stimulus like anyone else.

    And since GM’s talk to agents, and agents by definition are self-serving whores without concern for the team the player plays for, only the player, it’s hardly a stretch to include threatening and intimidating agents – in fact it’s good business.

    If I was a GM I’d not be worried about losing the odd player through this management style – I’d be more worried about the team overall at all times. Players? Superstars aside, they come and they go.

    ps: Man, Taylor Hall would have been the last player I traded. Of course “Oil Change” totally blew the young players heads as they thought they were much more important than they ever really were. And of course Lowe+MacT mocking the players who couldn’t stand up for themselves, while acquiring POS type weaklings … … …

  78. GMB3 says:

    Glovjuice:
    While I agree that the second “season” was not as great as the first, I am genuinely suprised at the seemingly fashionable negative feedback for the second iteration – in particular, the concern over Vaughn who clearly delivered a nuanced noirish performance clearly requested by the director (he nailed it) – as did Ferrell of course.It was so cool how he second “season” was in such a different style compared to the first (allthough, not technically a season as it was clearly a distinct, separate piece of art).

    I will agree that the second season was still enjoyable, but I didn’t find the storyline nearly as engaging as the first season. Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughy were awesome together as well.

  79. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I did say that Talbot owned part of his 5v5 SV% decline.

    Part of your eye test (and mine) is due to being over worked imo.

    Over the last 2 years here are the TOI goalie leaders (regular season only)

    Talbot 8014 min
    Anderson 7627 min – fell apart in the playoffs – .896
    Bobrovsky 7618 min – fell apart in the playoffs – .901
    Jones 7216 min – .927
    Dubnyk 7203 min – playoff SV% .908

    The only “over worked” goalie who didn’t fall apart was Jones

    The two goalies who made the SCF both missed time during the regular season.

    Fleury because he was hurt and Holtby because he lost the starter job for a while.

    That’s not a coincidence.

    That is also the reason Pete paid a lot for a game backup that Todd might actually play.

    Will be real interesting to see what happens in Winnepeg this year. I really like Helleybuck though and that team is so damn good. Maybe Bross looks better with a better team.

  80. treevojo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: We would also accept “addiction”

    I try to tell my wife it’s the former but she insists it is the latter.

  81. treevojo says:

    godot10: Darnell understands public relations.He doesn’t want to alienate the fan base.But otherwise the comment has nothing to do with the state of negotiations.

    Coming from a guy who insisted nurse would sign an offer sheet I will take your opinion on his contract negotiations with a grain of salt.

  82. treevojo says:

    Glovjuice:
    While I agree that the second “season” was not as great as the first, I am genuinely suprised at the seemingly fashionable negative feedback for the second iteration – in particular, the concern over Vaughn who clearly delivered a nuanced noirish performance clearly requested by the director (he nailed it) – as did Ferrell of course.It was so cool how he second “season” was in such a different style compared to the first (allthough, not technically a season as it was clearly a distinct, separate piece of art).

    Chalk me up as one who also enjoyed the second season. Huge shoes to fill with regards to woodys and Mathews characters in season 1. Those guys fuckin nailed it.

  83. matt says:

    There are a ton of decent 25-year old options that could gel into something Vegas-like.

  84. matt says:

    matt:
    There are a ton of decent 25-year old options that could gel into something Vegas-like.

    To expand, I expect there are three bets going on:

    1. Either Khaira or Upshall as 4L. I’m happy with that. I expect the latter to prevail.

    2. Either Rattie or Yamamoto can play 1R. Again, I expect the latter.

    3. Assuming Upshall makes it as 4L, 1 of Khaira/Aberg/Caggiula/Gambardella to deliver at 3L. Rattie can be added to the list too if Yamamoto succeeds early. I expect Khaira and Aberg to show equally, and show well (relative to 3L).

    The result is a third line of Khaira (24) / Strome (25) / Rieder (25) plus black aces of Aberg (25) and Caggiula (24), and maybe Gambardella (24) and Rattie (25), depending on injury and Yamamoto’s impact. That dressing room could catch fire in a good way.

    Three further thoughts:

    1. I feel better about the forward lineup after thinking of it this way (underpinning, safe, assumptions are that the first line continues its play from the end of last season, and Lucic/Draisailt/Puljujarvi and Upshall/Brodizak/Kassian collectively deliver average second and fourth line results).

    2. I feel worse imagining the blender that McLellan will create relative to who will and who will not play centre, potentially repeating last year’s extra 10-game trial period (and horrific start).

    3. Given the organization’s confidence in Caggiula, plus the Aberg insurance, might we see a Khaira trade? E.g., as part of a package for Faulk? From the outside, he looks pretty good.

  85. HT Joe says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    In 15/16 non McDavid or Hall Oilers got 33.9% of the goals.
    In 16/17 non McDavid got 48.9%.Mostly due to good health of the Dmen.
    In 17/18 non McDavid got 42%.Mostly due to bad Dman health and a bit due to lack of scoring wingers.

    I’m asking because I’ve heard similar facts in the past, but I’m curious… in 15/16 Hall and McDavid didn’t play much together, so when McDavid was healthy, this looks like the Oiler’s other 2 lines got killed (maybe this assumption is already wrong).

    Is it possible to determine how much of the 48.9% vs. 42% was the result of the 3rd and 4th lines getting killed (to frame it a different way, were the 3rd and 4th lines comparable in both years, but was the 2nd line just getting killed more in 17/18 than in 16/17)?

  86. hags9k says:

    Can someone clarify for me how Sekera’s injury effects the Nurse negotiations?

    Do we now have freed $ to possibly do a long term deal? (my preference!)
    Or do we need to wait for the season to start to LTIR Rej and therefore it has no impact on a deal done before camp, meaning we are still looking at a bridge?

    Thanks if anyone can smarten me up here.

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