2018-19 Rookie Camp Game Three: Oilers versus Flames

The Edmonton Oilers play the final rookie camp game tonight in Red Deer, getting another shot at the Calgary Flames’ kids. Last night wasn’t much of a test, although it was a fine display of skills and gives us some insight into what the future might look like for the organization. Reading comments online, seems many fans believe last night’s game was a poor use of everyone’s time. I would argue that a group of prospects up against an inferior opponent should be expected to dominate, and that’s exactly what the Oilers rookies did for three periods. My ‘best players’ were Tyler Benson and Caleb Jones. Noticing a trend here, folks. That has value.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic made some big additions last week, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman joining the Edmonton staff. Daniel, Jonathan Willis, Minnia Feng, Pat McLean and me will deliver prose all winter long and there will be tons via the national desk from Tyler Dellow, Corey Pronman and Dom Luszczysyn. Special offer is here, less than $4 a month! Also, don’t forget to join us later this month (September 24, The Rec Room south side) for a get together and general merriment. I’m thrilled to be part of this group, hope you join us.

  • New Lowetide: RE 18-19: Leon Draisaitl and the pursuit of a second outscoring line in ’18-19
  • New Jonathan Willis: If the Oilers improve in ’18-19, they’ll do it on the back of special teams
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Ethan Bear is providing inspiration for Indigenous youth through his hockey camp.
  • New Jonathan Willis: The arrival of Alex Chiasson gives the Oilers a crowd up front
  • The Athletic Cross Canada Tour Will hit Edmonton!
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19 Can the McDavid line lead the 2018-19 Oilers to the playoffs?
  • Lowetide: For Oilers young forwards, it’s what you create versus what you leave.
  • Lowetide: Ryan Mantha’s injury and uncertain recovery.
  • Lowetide: Oilers rookie camp roster offers options and balance.
  • Corey Pronman: The most intriguing prospect to watch at camp for every NHL team.
  • Jonathan Willis: Three different KHL stars, three different paths to NHL success.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Bringing something different to the Oilers beat.
  • Dom Luszczyszyn: 2018-19 season preview Edmonton Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Who will win the McDavid-line lottery?
  • Lowetide: The 2018-19 Oilers and what may come.
  • Lowetide: The 2015 draft and what was lost
  • Lowetide: Projecting the 2018-19 Oilers opening night roster
  • Lowetide: Where will Tobias Rieder land on the Oilers depth chart?

MORNING RUSHES!

  1. G Dylan Wells. Solid work in the first period, he wasn’t busy (4 saves). He made eight saves in the second period, including a late sequence that would count as his only real test. He played the first two periods.
  2. G Olivier Rodrigue. I’m not sure he spent any more energy in the third period than he did sitting on the bench in the first two periods. Gave up a late goal on a defensive breakdown, one hopes he gets a period in Red Deer.
  3. RD Evan Bouchard. He has terrific vision, just opens up so many opportunities. One pass to Vesel (I believe) was so good it was a crime the college vet didn’t finish it. Had two assists in the game (both on goals by partner Caleb Jones). Made a weak pass from his own zone late second, lost his stick, but recovered to end the play with no harm. Cerebral player at both ends, he wasn’t challenged and played well.
  4. LD Marc-Olivier Crevier-Morin. Not a lot of creative work, he made the plays you’d expect and defended well when called upon. Errant pass at the opp. blue line mid-first. Got a second assist on the first goal.
  5. RD Logan Day. He has impressed me in both games with intelligent puck movement. Good penalty killing work too. He can play.
  6. LD Caleb Jones. He’s too good for rookie camp. Mobile again and good works with the puck, comfortable with Bouchard (including the offensive zone). Drew a penalty with a combination of skill and determination, late first. Went 2-2-4, both goals impressive. Dominant. I can’t wait to see him in main camp, Edmonton having Bear and Jones ready for recall in Bakersfield would be an enormous help.
  7. LD Jake Kulevich. He defended well and got into the offense as Woodcroft began pulling his first options from promising offensive situations.
  8. LD William Lagesson. He played a consistent game, moved the puck well and got some power-play time later on. Passed well, got pucks through. An offensive explosion with little time in the defensive zone isn’t an ideal showcase for this player.
  9. L Tyler Benson. He is the best forward in camp, with Caleb Jones his only competition for best overall Oilers player so far. Fantastic early sequence where he had the puck on a string, setting up some promising looks. His assist on the first goal was just pure skill, the second assist was one of many smart passes he made during the game. His goal was a gift but he’d already earned it long ago.
  10. LC Luke Esposito. He had a nice chance on a late penalty kill, drew a penalty later in the game and scored on a seeing eye shot in the third period. He can bring some things, wouldn’t be shocked if he ended up in Wichita.
  11. L Dave Gust. Didn’t notice him much in the first period, he got a lovely chance later in the second period just missed scoring on a backhand. Another chance late.
  12. RC Cameron Hebig. He drew a penalty early with some good work, got a couple of early shots. He hasn’t impacted this tournament as I thought he might based on his scoring prowess in junior.
  13. LC Colin Larkin. Back checked well, took a late first-period penalty. Scored a goal from range on a Caleb Jones feed. He’s a good skater, gets involved.
  14. R Kirill Maksimov. Quiet for two periods, scored a goal in the third period. He hasn’t been terrible but also not as noticeable as you’d like a dynamic scorer to be in this kind of a game.
  15. RC Cooper Marody. Very skilled, he had the puck a lot from the beginning. He was also impactful in the Calgary game and it’s clear Marody is going to be one of the best players in Bakersfield. He led a three-on-two with two defensemen late in the second, that’s fairly unique. Nicest play might have been the impressive pass the McLeod tipped late in the third period to make it 8-0.
  16. LC Ryan McLeod. You can see what he might be on the power play, nice chance in the first period (shot high) and later on a fine feed from Polei into the slot. His first goal came on a lovely feed from Benson, again on the power play, and his assist also involved Benson. I did see some battle along the wall in this one. Scored a fabulous goal late by driving to the net with abandon and keeping his stick on the ice.
  17. L Evan Polei. Some nice early jump had a deflection and a wraparound chance in the game’s early minutes. He is a good hockey player.
  18. R Ryan Van Stralen. I don’t know him at all but he impressed with the ability to make plays and win battles.
  19. RC Tyler Vesel. More prominent in the game, had a nice look on a feed from McLeod but didn’t cash. He has two-way ability, that will help him. Grabbed an assist on the Benson goal, scored a power-play goal in the third period.
  20. L Nolan Vesey. Played with some abandon, won a battle for the puck in the first and shook the puck loose in the offensive zone early in the second during a promising sortie. Edmonton’s most physical forward.

This is a big season for Puljujarvi, I have him playing 30 percent of his year on the Strome line and 70 percent with Draisaitl (it’s all in my article for The Athletic, above). I think confidence will be a large piece of his season, hope to see the coaching staff give him a push that includes power-play time. The Edmonton Oilers organization can’t lose this player, they simply don’t have alternatives who bring as much to a game as the big Finn.

WHAT WE’RE LEARNING

My assessment of the rookies after two games is mostly positive, despite the Calgary game result. Caleb Jones is dominant, Tyler Benson healthy and making up for lost time, Evan Bouchard showcasing his considerable skills in an inviting tournament. Cooper Marody leads the college men in quality, and Tyler Vesel plus Logan Day are worthy of mention. Ryan McLeod, Ethan Bear and William Lagesson have also played well.

Down arrows? Kirill Maksimov hasn’t displayed a lot of what has Oilers fans excited about him, Cameron Hebig has done very little to get noticed and the goalies haven’t been a factor in either game. Sometimes these tournaments don’t give you a chance to shine, but for Maksimov (who played on a checking line in Game One) last night was an opportunity missed.

TRAINING CAMP ROSTER (A GUESS)

The notes are mostly from a couple of weeks ago, but still apply. Upshall, Garrison and Chiasson have been added since you’ve seen the list.

  1. Cam Talbot, 31. Save percentage fell from .919 to .908, he went from being the team’s best penalty killer to an inconsistent stopper. I think the organization still believes in him but won’t hesitate to move on if it comes to saving the season—but my guess is he recovers. 100%.
  2. Mikko Koskinen, 30. His KHL save percentage (.937 SP) is stellar but those goalies from Russia are a little all over in Year One NHL performance. Anders Nilsson was a .936 KHL goalie and sported a .901 SP in Edmonton during 2015-16. I think Koskinen will perform better but Nilsson kept the job until the trade deadline (Oilers got the pick that turned into Graham McPhee for him). 90%
  3. Al Montoya, 33. Montoya didn’t impress (.906) after coming over in a trade but there’s every chance he’ll play well enough to be in the conversation at training camp. 10%
  4. Shane Starrett, 24. He was a regular in the ECHL (.912 in 38 games) with a .895SP in three games for the Condors. Depending on what happens with the three NHL goalies, he might be starting in Bakersfield (seems unlikely). Mike Griffith from Bakersfield.com has more on the goalies and new head coach Jay Woodcroft.
  5. Dylan Wells, 20. Peterborough allowed 36 shots per game, highest in the OHL. Wells save percentage (.896) doesn’t inspire but he may improve behind a better defense (Condors allowed 30.97 shots per game last year).
  6. Stuart Skinner, 19He scorched junior shooters after being dealt to Swift Current, posting a .914SP during the rest of the regular season and .932 in 26 playoff games. I think he’s the best goalie prospect and would be intrigued by a push, but the Oilers never do that kind of thing.
  7. Oscar Klefbom, 25. Klefbom is “good to go” for training camp according to Jim Matheson, massive importance to the organization’s success. His defensive deficiencies are well documented, but Dangerous Fenwick via Puck IQ loves him both seasons they’ve measured. I think he’s key.  100%.
  8. Adam Larsson, 25. Like Klefbom, Larsson’s reputation suffered during a trying season but he remains the class of the group. Larsson is a player-type I enjoy watching and value, he defends well and has some offensive ability (that doesn’t always result in points). A valuable player. 100%.
  9. Darnell Nurse, 23. Nurse doesn’t have a contract yet but he’s another big part of Edmonton’s blue. He faced (again according to Puck IQ) elite opposition 35 percent of his 5-on-5 time a year ago, garnering 49 percent possession and 56 percent goal share. We know that was partly McDavid-aided but he’s improving and he’s young, fast and can move that puck out of trouble. Also performed well offensively (his 5-on-5 per 60 was 0.93, No. 58 among regular NHL defensemen). He has some room to grow but appears to be delivering on the promise of his draft day. 100%.
  10. L Kris Russell, 31. He could move over to LH side with the injury to Sekera and that’s a preferred result. That said, the right side has fewer options and Russell remains here on our little depth chart for now.  100%.
  11. Matt Benning, 24.  I’m in favor of moving him up to the second pair no matter what happens with Russell but Dellow’s recent work is a revelation. I’d still try it. 100%.
  12. Jakub Jerabek, 27. He doesn’t have a lot of experience and this could be long-time forgotten by this time next year. That said, it looks like an astute bet, especially considering what was out there when the Sekera news hit. 70%
  13. Evan Bouchard, 18. He got a break when he was drafted, turned heads (fans and management) with a cannon at orientation camp and now the Oilers are down on defenseman. He keeps getting breaks. I think he gets nine games but the script for more is there to be written. 60%
  14. Kevin Gravel, 26. He gets a boost with the Sekera injury despite not being a similar player. Experience (70 NHL games) becomes a big consideration with the injury to Rej. Now, 70 games doesn’t seem like much but it’s a helluva lot more than zero. He’s a shutdown type, better speed and younger than Eric Gryba. He’s 6.04, 212 but appears to use finesse defensively more than the redass. 60%
  15. Ethan Bear, 21In writing about him for The Athletic, I’m excited to see his future but convinced he is far enough away from ready the club shouldn’t count on him this fall. That doesn’t mean the Oilers agree. 20%
  16. Keegan Lowe, 25The Lowe jokes continue unabated but he did good work in Bakersfield and we could see a lot of him this coming season. Similar to Gravel in style but brings a little more of an edge. 20%
  17. Ryan Stanton, 29Injuries impacted his usage (and probably derailed a recall) in 2017-18 but his rugged style is a match for the Oilers. If he shows well in training camp, he might push Gravel for the No. 7 job. 10%
  18. Caleb Jones, 21. He struggled in his rookie season with Bakersfield, but the tools (speed, skill) suggest he could arrive quickly if he can put it all together. He has coverage gaps but that’s to be expected at his age. The speed will get him chances. 5%
  19. William Lagesson, 22. There’s a bit of the unknown with this player but the opening provided by Sekera’s injury means the coaching staff will be looking for options and strong play. Lagesson is in a good spot despite his placement lower on the current depth chart. 5%
  20. Jason Garrison, 33. It’s hard to estimate his chances of making the team, relying as they do on his current level of ability and things like Darnell Nurse’s contract. If he can keep up, he should hang around camp until late.
  21. Dmitri Samorukov, 19. Solid to very good last year in the OHL, played well in an AHL cup of coffee. He has a nice range of skills, but in reading on him via several sources he seems to be a tighter defender than some of his competition. A lock to head back to junior but he has a promising future.
  22. Logan Day, 23. Only geeks like me noticed, but Day was a big offensive player in college and might have an impact in Bakersfield. AHL deal. 
  23. Jake Kulevich, 25. Big shutdown type played with the Manitoba Moose last season, I expect he’ll see action in both Wichita and Bakersfield. AHL deal. 
  24. Marc-Olivier Crevier-Morin, 22. Physical defender from the QMJHL who had a solid debut with the Wichita Thunder in 2017-18. He’s a depth player but looks like a solid pro based on one season. AHL deal
  25. Jared Wilson, 23. Not much on him, he came up through the AJHL and BCHL and then played for RPI (NCAA) where he scored more goals than you would expect for an obscure rearguard. AHL deal
  26. Connor McDavid, 21. Some of the point-total predictions I’m seeing are mind-boggling. I think he’ll finish shy of 135 points this season, the Oilers are going to use 97 in a “Mats Sundin will need to drag the team into the playoffs and make Dmitri Khristich a 20-goal man at the same time” role for much of all of the campaign. Note: This does NOT mean I hate Connor McDavid.  100%.
  27. Leon Draisaitl, 22. One of the main items to watch this coming season involves Leon and the No. 2 line. If they can outscore their opposition, I think the Oilers make the playoffs. I would put Nuge on his line. 100%. 
  28. Ryan Strome, 25. There are some experienced observers of the Oilers who are predicting 40+ points, but that depends on usage in my opinion. Strome didn’t see the 97 line a lot this past season and will be getting the third set of wingers when he’s in the middle. 100%.
  29. Kyle Brodziak, 34. He’s going to be in the NHL for the next two years, but the style of player he is, and the production he brings, suggests we are close to the end of the line. It’s impossible to project him to repeat last season but if he can help the penalty kill then Edmonton will be paid in full. 100%
  30. Brad Malone, 29. Malone can play center, wins faceoffs, penalty kills and it won’t hurt him to sit in the pressbox for long stretches. He isn’t a sexy option but he’ll fit under the cap and can do some things. 5%.
  31. Cooper Marody, 21. Some buzz around Marody, whose final college season (40, 16-35-51) for Michigan was a quality junior season. He is one of the group on this fall’s roster who could surprise and push for a job. Smart player, slight chance he turns out to be the pleasant surprise of training camp. 5%.
  32. Josh Currie, 25. The nature of his contract tells me the club either sees him as a possible option for NHL play (this is unlikely) or it’s getting more difficult to sign AHL centers these days. He got a signing bonus and will make $160,000 in year two of the deal.
  33. Tyler Vesel, 24His time is now, despite the fact Vesel has never played a game of pro hockey. That said, he has a nice range of skills and will probably fit well into multiple scenarios.
  34. Cameron Hebig, 21. He enters pro hockey with a team hungry for offense. Hebig averaged 4.6 shots per game, suspect he’ll be used in an offensive role in Bakersfield.
  35. Colin Larkin, 24. He appears to be an offensively shy center who is best suited for a checking and penalty killing role in the minors.
  36. Ryan McLeod, 19. Fast train rookie with some real promise, this will be a chance for him to see how he shines against older players.
  37. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, 25. Patrick Maroon scored 29 goals in 1500 minutes (1.16 goals per 60, approx) with Connor McDavid over three seasons (in all disciplines). Leon Draisaitl has scored 39 goals in 2,400 minutes (all disciplines) with 97 (.975 goals per 60, approx). Last year, Nuge scored eight goals in 300 minutes (1.6 goals per 60, approx, once again in all disciplines). Can he score 30 with McDavid? 100%.
  38. Milan Lucic, 30. His best stat might be Corsi for 5-on-5, where he is 52.72 percent with Connor McDavid, 50.04 without. Lucic was over 50 percent with 97, 29, 93 and Strome last season. It doesn’t change the money v. production ratio but the puck was headed in a good direction. 100%.
  39. Drake Caggiula, 24. He scores 13-12-25 per 82 games, but his possession numbers are not strong. In my model it was fairly easy to replace his minutes and I think this is a big season for him. Edmonton can’t afford meager production. 100%.
  40. Jujhar Khaira, 24. May have done enough to find a home on the No. 3 line with Ryan Strome but more likely spends most of the year on the No. 4 line with Kyle Brodziak. Khaira is an improving penalty killer. 100%.
  41. Pontus Aberg, 25. If you look strictly at numbers and performance from one year ago, Aberg should contend for No. 2 LW. I don’t see it happening, suspect he’s in tough for a job during training camp. 70%.
  42. Scottie Upshall, 34. His numbers from last season impress (delivering offense from the bowels of the roster) in some ways, and are left wanting (PK prowess) in others. When he signed I was convinced he would make the roster, now not as certain. Oilers need a penalty killer. 20%
  43. Tyler Benson, 20. I think the Oilers believe it’s only a matter of time and where he slots on the depth chart and wouldn’t be at all shocked if he’s an early recall. The first forward who enters pro hockey for the first time who is guaranteed a feature AHL role in several years.
  44. Joe Gambardella, 24. He came on offensively later in the season and has speed plus two-way acumen. I’m not saying he is a lock for an NHL career, but there’s a story here.
  45. Nolan Vesey, 23. He doesn’t have a lot on his resume that stands out, the big question is how much playing time he’ll get with the Condors.
  46. Ostap Safin, 19He’s a mature prospect physically and has some power forward tendencies. I think he might make the grade based on potential and what’s left to learn in the QMJHL.
  47. Evan Polei, 22. He has slow boots but a fine shot and a nose for the net, Polei should make a living in the minors and who knows maybe he sees the NHL someday. AHL deal. 
  48. Ryan Van Stralen, 24. He scored well (8 goals in 16 games) for Wichita after finishing up at Carleton University, mostly a wild card but he can score in the ECHL. AHL deal.
  49. Ty Rattie, 25. Per 82 games in the NHL so far, he’s 15-17-32, but if he plays 82 games with Connor McDavid he might score 30. I don’t think he’ll hold on to the job, which is different than cheering against him. 100%.
  50. Tobias Rieder, 25Per 82gp, he’s 14-19-33, I think he’ll play enough on a prominent line to score at a higher rate. A lot of people are saying the Oilers didn’t do much to help themselves this season, for me Rieder is a perfect fit. He’s the Pisani.  100%.
  51. Jesse Puljujarvi, 20. My guess is he blossoms this season, scoring 16-20 goals and establishing himself as a reliable young two-way forward. There’s a chance he blossoms and scores 35, and with his next contract looming, that does fall into the Oilers ‘luck of the Irish’ contract storylines. 100%.
  52. Zack Kassian, 27Edmonton needs secondary scoring and one of these days Kassian is going to score more than seven goals. He absolutely gets enough chances to score 15 a year. His emerging penalty killing gives him more utility, but is he good enough at the job? 100%.
  53. Kailer Yamamoto, 20. I am predicting about half a season in Bakersfield before recall but wouldn’t be at all surprised if he makes the team out of camp. If he does, Jordan Eberle’s 69, 18-25-43 totals seem a reasonable projection. 50%.
  54. Alex Chiasson, 27. I think he has a chance, rugged player who has some skill and some track left in his career.
  55. Mitch Callahan, 26. The Condors badly need a recovery season from Callahan, who was a solid AHL player before last year’s 45, 2-7-9 derailment. Before last year, per 82 games, he scored 21-21-42.
  56. Patrick Russell, 25. He was one of the last forwards standing at last year’s training camp, he can penalty kill and is rugged. The boots fail him but he might get another long look.
  57. Kirill Maksimov, 19. He’s a sniper, which is rare indeed for these Oilers. I don’t think he’ll get a long look but if they give him a preseason game don’t be surprised if he makes some noise.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we’ll spend quite a bit of time on Humboldt and the big game tonight covered across the TSN network. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. We’ll talk about the rookies, the PTO’s and McDavid, baby!
  • Mike Murphy, Blueshirt Banter. The rebuild in Manhattan is underway, we’ll check on the Rangers.
  • Aaron Portzline, The Athletic. The Blue Jackets just signed John Tortorella to an extension, what are the expectations for Ohio hockey?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

 

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172 Responses to "2018-19 Rookie Camp Game Three: Oilers versus Flames"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of course, as it turns out, last night’s game was not a great evaluation tool as far as readiness for pro hockey, however, it was far from a waste of my time – I greatly enjoyed watching the game.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m going to assume that Rodrigue and Skinner split tonight’s game (or maybe Skinner gets it all).

    I expect Marody and Benson may get the night off – hope not but Joe G. and Yamamoto will be back in the lineup.

    Would like to see Maksimov get some shifts in the top 6 with a few of the higher end players.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    I was also impressed by Logan Day in both games – much more of an offensive player that I realized (and looking at his stats, I should have known given he tied for his team’s lead in scoring in college last year).

    Got to be a bit more reserved given he’s turning 24 in a week – at that age he should stand out in this tournament.

    He may be earning himself a solid spot in Bakersfield.

  4. dustrock says:

    On the note of shortening sticks, that’s Puljujarvi and Jones so far that have talked about it (Jones said Coffey told him to shorten the stick too).

    Didn’t Hall or somebody do that several years ago as well?

    Are all these young men thinking they need Magnums when really they don’t?

  5. flea says:

    Do you think they’ll play Bouchard again tonight? Going to the game here in my home city! Looking forward to it.

  6. 36 percent body fat says:

    What were learning is what most of us have been screaming at the top of our lungs for over a decade,

    stop drafting coke machines, draft for skill, if you want that stay at home dman you are better to wait until the later rounds, (whats better value, reinhart at 4 or Lagesson in the 4th

    skill, skill, skill, skill

  7. Rondo says:

    From what I’ve seen of Bouchard, he looks like he’ll be going back to Junior hockey immediately.

  8. dustrock says:

    Rondo:
    From what I’ve seen of Bouchard, he looks like he’ll be going back to Junior hockey immediately.

    He’s a guy I’d love to play in the AHL. He’s got a pro set of skills but I just don’t think the Oilers can afford to babysit him until he figures it out.

    We’ll see better in the actual preseason games but it’s a stretch to me.

    Then again, Oilers gonna Oil.

  9. LadiesloveSmid says:

    dustrock: He’s a guy I’d love to play in the AHL. He’s got a pro set of skills but I just don’t think the Oilers can afford to babysit him until he figures it out.

    We’ll see better in the actual preseason games but it’s a stretch to me.

    Then again, Oilers gonna Oil.

    He should spend a year with Brayden Point’s skating coach and learning to be a defensive force in junior. I don’t want him or Bear playing in EDM this year.

  10. Jethro Tull says:

    Finally find a winger that can keep up with McDavid and put up serious offense. (Nuge)

    Oilers Fan World: “Play him with someone else. That guy that’s getting paid $2.5M more than him, so we don’t look like idiots for signing him to his first contract at $8.5M when he hasn’t proved he can carry his own line.”

    Nuge may well be your Pisani, LT. Little younger, paid a lot more, a lot better, but a solid soldier.

  11. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s 2018-19 Death March™ is Back!!

    Here’s how you enter:

    Predict the final points total of the Oilers.

    Tie break: how many goals does Yakupov score in the KHL?

    That’s it!

    Contest open until puck drop in Europe.

  12. Side says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s 2018-19 Death March™ is Back!!

    Here’s how you enter:

    Predict the final points total of the Oilers.

    Tie break: how many goals does Yakupov score in the KHL?

    That’s it!

    Contest open until puck drop in Europe.

    103 points

    8 goals for Yak

    TY

  13. Bank Shot says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Finally find a winger that can keep up with McDavid and put up serious offense. (Nuge)

    Oilers Fan World: “Play him with someone else.That guy that’s getting paid $2.5M more than him, so we don’t look like idiots for signing him to his first contract at $8.5M when he hasn’t proved he can carry his own line.”

    Nuge may well be your Pisani, LT.Little younger, paid a lot more, a lot better, but a solid soldier.

    McDavid and RNH had a negative corsi together.

    Leon and McDavid were 54%.

    Guys like Russell and Caggiula get lambasted for poor corsi.

    Why is RNH immune to this?

    It’s a curious blindspot IMO.

  14. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Bank Shot: McDavid and RNH had a negative corsi together.

    Leon and McDavid were 54%.

    Guys like Russell and Caggiula get lambasted for poor corsi.

    Why is RNH immune to this?

    It’s a curious blindspot IMO.

    For me, because they scored a ton and because Rattie who I don’t think is NHL calibre was on their line. Replace him with Pulju or Yamamoto and their CF% would improve a ton IMO

  15. RISTOOOOO SILTANEN!!!! says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s 2018-19 Death March™ is Back!!

    Here’s how you enter:

    Predict the final points total of the Oilers.

    Tie break: how many goals does Yakupov score in the KHL?

    That’s it!

    Contest open until puck drop in Europe.

    101 points for me please. I’m just picking the same number every year. Since this is year three, can I get away with saying “I’ll have the usual” next year? 😀

    Forgot the Yak part.
    11
    This one goes to 11.

  16. Kraz says:

    hunter1909,

    hunter1909,

    107 points and 12 goals for yak

  17. Professor Q says:

    Bank Shot: McDavid and RNH had a negative corsi together.

    Leon and McDavid were 54%.

    Guys like Russell and Caggiula get lambasted for poor corsi.

    Why is RNH immune to this?

    It’s a curious blindspot IMO.

    Wait I thought they were very good together though? Both by eye and stats they had significantly more high-risk shot chances created (is this not corsi?) near the end of the year, and capitalized upon (hence McDavid’s surge).

    I think RNH and McDavid would be better defensively than Draisaitl and McDavid, too. They don’t seem like they would be giving up that many shots. Otherwise, why would everyone be touting RNH’s defensive capabilities aside from you?

  18. Bank Shot says:

    LadiesloveSmid: For me, because they scored a ton and because Rattie who I don’t think is NHL calibre was on their line. Replace him with Pulju or Yamamoto and their CF% would improve a ton IMO

    Well you could say they were getting the breaks in terms of scoring.

    In corsi, RNH has been putting up underwhelming results for 4 years. It’s always someone else’s fault. In this case Rattie is the culprit.

    I don’t mind RNH as a player, but his contract was a big overpayment for a lot of years, and he’s not the player that he gets credit for being.

  19. Side says:

    Bank Shot:

    In corsi, RNH has been putting up underwhelming results for 4 years. It’s always someone else’s fault. In this case Rattie is the culprit.

    Do you have these numbers handy? And what do you think RNH should be getting paid?

  20. John Chambers says:

    Dom Luszczyszyn’s pre-season ranking series continues at the Athletic with the controversial Carolina Hurricanes:
    https://theathletic.com/518332/2018/09/12/2018-19-nhl-season-preview-carolina-hurricanes/

    @ WG – you guys must come from the same school of thought.

    But let’s face it – goaltending is half the game, unless it’s bad, when it’s 100% of the game. We saw that when the Oil played the Canes last season.

    I also don’t get how Dom can rate a player like Valentin Zykov as an above average 2nd line winger, or Dougie Hamilton as the 3rd or 4th best defenseman in the league:
    https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2018/09/11122739/Screen-Shot-2018-09-11-at-12.22.04-PM.png

    This will not stand. The Canes are a playoff also-ran, and I will not entertain thoughts as to otherwise.

  21. Bank Shot says:

    Side: Do you have these numbers handy? And what do you think RNH should be getting paid?

    Natural stattrick has the corsi numbers. For Edmonton forwards with more than 500 minutes played RNH ranked

    14/15- 5 out of 10.
    15/16- 8 of 13
    16/17- 6 of 10
    17/18- 10 of 13

    The excuse always was that RNH was heldback by having to play the tough minutes. Well his corsi has actually decreased relative to his teammates as his responsibility dropped over the last couple of years.

    RNH’s contract is probably around market value for the next 3 years with 50 point forwards getting $6 million now, but his contract history should look more like Kyle Turris. All those years of paying RNH $6 million as a RFA were a big drag on the team that was never adequately acknowledged.

    I’ll be happy for the guy if he scores 30 goals this year, but history says its not happening.

  22. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Bank Shot,

    They weren’t playing all that close to the cap a few seasons ago. I’d say on the list of Lucic, Russell, Koskinen, Kassian, Caggiula, broken down Sekera, and RNH. He’s the least of the contract issues.

  23. frjohnk says:

    Bank Shot,

    I have always liked RNH, but his contract was always a bit steep for what he brought, but I dont think it was by much But in the past, the Oilers had about 100 worse problems than that.

  24. Oilman99 says:

    Bank Shot,

    Let’s get real, RNH is the only bonafide top six winger the team has at this time. If he plays the whole season with McD, there is reason to think he won’t have atleast 30 goals, and his contract will a value added one.

  25. NDOilersfan says:

    Hey everyone, I have a favor to ask any/all of you. I was looking at the schedule for this season and saw that the Oilers play in Minnesota on my son’s 2nd birthday, and that happens to be the closest arena to where we live. So we are planning on taking him to his first ever Oiler game for his birthday. What I would really like to do is get some pictures of him with some of the players if possible, but I’m not really sure who to contact to try and get that set up. I was thinking of emailing Gene Principe but I wasn’t able to find his contact info. Does anyone here know how I can reach him? Or is there someone else I should speak to about it?

    Thanks for the help!

  26. hunter1909 says:

    NDOilersfan:
    Hey everyone, I have a favor to ask any/all of you.I was looking at the schedule for this season and saw that the Oilers play in Minnesota on my son’s 2nd birthday, and that happens to be the closest arena to where we live.So we are planning on taking him to his first ever Oiler game for his birthday.What I would really like to do is get some pictures of him with some of the players if possible, but I’m not really sure who to contact to try and get that set up.I was thinking of emailing Gene Principe but I wasn’t able to find his contact info.Does anyone here know how I can reach him? Or is there someone else I should speak to about it?

    Thanks for the help!

    Sounds like you’re preparing to take a loaded hand grenade in that 2 year old that’s likely to start screaming it’s head off just when you least expect it lol

  27. Bank Shot says:

    frjohnk:
    Bank Shot,

    I have always liked RNH, but his contract was always a bit steep for what he brought, but I dont think it was by muchBut in the past, the Oilers had about 100 worse problems than that.

    He was overpaid by a tonne.

    He was making Hall/Tavares money throughout his RFA years and is not half the player. Even now guys like Monahan/Scheifle/Pastrnak are still signing RFA contracts in the $6 million dollar range.

    It’s just bizarre to me that stuff like this isn’t seen as common knowledge.

    The legend of RNH is twice that of the player. He’s not an ace two way guy. He’s not a prolific scorer.

    People are expecting a shot at 30 goals and 70 points from him this season despite 7 years of data where he never came close to that.

    It’s weird to me.

  28. hunter1909 says:

    Bank Shot: People are expecting a shot at 30 goals and 70 points from him this season despite 7 years of data where he never came close to that.
    It’s weird to me.

    Yet for some weird reason, free from the clutches of Lowe+MacT RNH was on fire at the World Cup.

    I think.

  29. Bank Shot says:

    hunter1909: Yet for some weird reason, free from the clutches of Lowe+MacTRNH was on fire at the World Cup.

    I think.

    You’re right.

    3 games trumps 7 years.

    I take it all back.

  30. frjohnk says:

    Bank Shot: He was overpaid by a tonne.

    I wouldnt say by a tonne.

    His first year in his 2nd contract he had 56 points.
    2nd year he had 34 points in 55 games ( 50 point pace over 82 games)
    3rd year 43 points
    Last year 48 points in 62 games ( 63 point pace over 82 games)

    The 43 point season was not as good as one would want for a player making $6M but one should note he played 42% of his time against the elites and didnt get much time on PP1.

    I agree that he is not in the conversation of Hall/Tavares, who both are top 5-15 players in the league and had second contracts similar to him. Those guys were absolute bargain contracts for the teams they played with. His numbers are on the lower end of guys making around the same amount so I believe RNH has been overpaid, but not by much.

    If RNH gets ample time with McDavid, 30 goals, 70 points is not out of reach

  31. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    frjohnk:

    If RNH gets ample time with McDavid, 30 goals, 70 points is not out of reach

    – The consensus is that RNH is going to be the winger for CMD. I’m not convinced that’s optimal. I think CmD, Drai and RNH are the 3 C’s is the best approach (and best trio in league):

    Lucic-Cmd-Rattie/Kailer
    Reider-Drai-Strome/Aberg
    Jar-RNH-Pool
    Caggs-Brodziak-Upshaw/Chiasson

    – You play RNH with 2 good wingers on 3rd line, put Strome on the wing.

    – RNH > Strome

    – Conner on a good PP, and 3×3, he’s going to be danger anyways.

    – I’m sure RNH starts with CmD: but I think he’s better used as 3C, and Drai has to learn to be big boy as 2C. People won’t like my Lucic on 1st line though…

    – This team has a lot more skill and speed than I think is appreciated. It could gel nicely

    – Strong C’s can make the wingers better: Aberg, Rattie, Lucic, Pool, Kailer, Reider, Strome, Caggs: there are paths for them to play with skill and succeed. Jar might move up, Brodziak in a pinch for a bit, Chiasson scores a bit

    – I miss VOR and Chaichi by the way.

  32. PennersPancakes says:

    Bank Shot: People are expecting a shot at 30 goals and 70 points from him this season despite 7 years of data where he never came close to that.

    People might be setting themselves up for disappointment but its not out of this world. After seeing Couturier pop off this year with an on fire Giroux, why cant Nuge with an inferno McDavid. It may be hoping for best case Ontario but so much can change year to year.

    Actually were looking at an extra 6 goals and 8 assists to hit those magic numbers, which if theyre both healthy/playing together is definitely possible.

    I wouldn’t write it off.

  33. PennersPancakes says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: Lucic-Cmd-Rattie/Kailer
    Reider-Drai-Strome/Aberg
    Jar-RNH-Pool
    Caggs-Brodziak-Upshaw/Chiasson

    I don’t want to truly load the top 6 but I strongly disagree with this. Yes Connor McDavid is a god among men but youre playing him against top competition with an aging power forward and an undersized one dimensional scorer. If youre going to play him with lesser pieces at least give him some speed to work with.

    How would this work as theres only 60 minutes in a game. McDavid, Drai, and RNH should all be top 3 for forward ice time and if you spread them out across 3 lines I don’t know how possible that is.

  34. Side says:

    Bank Shot,

    Thank you.

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Did Vor leave or something?

  35. Ribs says:

    dustrock:
    On the note of shortening sticks, that’s Puljujarvi and Jones so far that have talked about it (Jones said Coffey told him to shorten the stick too).

    Didn’t Hall or somebody do that several years ago as well?

    Are all these young men thinking they need Magnums when really they don’t?

    I remember Teddy Purcell shortened his stick drastically (four inches) with advice from Adam Oates.

    Benson was the lone standout for me watching most of last night’s game. Marody was also impressive but looked like he was saving the juice for a real game.

    Jones was flying but I’m not sure how much of what he was doing would translate to the NHL game very well.

    Bouchard sure can move that puck well. Now we just need the rest of his game to catch up.

  36. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m going to assume that Rodrigue and Skinner split tonight’s game (or maybe Skinner gets it all).

    I expect Marody and Benson may get the night off – hope not but Joe G. and Yamamoto will be back in the lineup.

    Would like to see Maksimov get some shifts in the top 6 with a few of the higher end players.

    Maksimov blew his chance to impress last night. Very pedestrian against competition he should have excelled against last night. Wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t get the night off tonight.

  37. OmJo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    If we had better winger depth I’m all for unicorns down the middle but as the team is now I’d rather have one excellent line (L1), one good line (L2), and two average lines (L3 and L4) instead of one good line, two average lines, and one poor line.

  38. Oilman99 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – The consensus is that RNH is going to be the winger for CMD.I’m not convinced that’s optimal.I think CmD, Drai and RNH are the 3 C’s is the best approach (and best trio in league):

    Lucic-Cmd-Rattie/Kailer
    Reider-Drai-Strome/Aberg
    Jar-RNH-Pool
    Caggs-Brodziak-Upshaw/Chiasson

    – You play RNH with 2 good wingers on 3rd line, put Strome on the wing.

    – RNH > Strome

    – Conner on a good PP, and 3×3, he’s going to be danger anyways.

    – I’m sure RNH starts with CmD: but I think he’s better used as 3C, and Drai has to learn to be big boy as 2C.People won’t like my Lucic on 1st line though…

    – This team has a lot more skill and speed than I think is appreciated.It could gel nicely

    – Strong C’s can make the wingers better: Aberg, Rattie, Lucic, Pool, Kailer, Reider, Strome, Caggs: there are paths for them to play with skill and succeed.Jar might move up, Brodziak in a pinch for a bit, Chiasson scores a bit

    – I miss VOR and Chaichi by the way.

    RNH is the only viable top six winger the team has. Putting Lucic with CMD is like making him play with one hand tied behind his back. Strome has shown he is more effective as a centre, putting RNH as a third line centre ensures the team will have the same problems scoring goals as last year.

  39. OmJo says:

    I think it’s worth noting RNH was rushed into the league by the fantastically incompetent management that drafted him and was never projected to be a franchise player like Hall or Tavares.

    His contract now is not (nor has ever been) a reason we are in cap hell and as of right now he’s one of three proven NHL-calibre top six forwards on this roster who isn’t entering the upcoming season with question marks of whether he’s going to bounce back or not. His contract never prevented us from improving the team. That’s likely why it doesn’t get put under the microscope as much. It hasn’t nor is a problem.

  40. Oilman99 says:

    Bank Shot: You’re right.

    3 games trumps 7 years.

    I take it all back.

    His worlds performance showed what he can do when paired with quality wingers,simple as that.

  41. GMB3 says:

    Bank Shot: Natural stattrick has the corsi numbers. For Edmonton forwards with more than 500 minutes played RNH ranked

    14/15- 5 out of 10.
    15/16- 8 of 13
    16/17- 6 of 10
    17/18- 10 of 13

    The excuse always was that RNH was heldback by having to play the tough minutes. Well his corsi has actually decreased relative to his teammates as his responsibility dropped over the last couple of years.

    RNH’s contract is probably around market value for the next 3 years with 50 point forwards getting $6 million now, but his contract history should look more like Kyle Turris. All those years of paying RNH $6 million as a RFA were a big drag on the team that was never adequately acknowledged.

    I’ll be happy for the guy if he scores 30 goals this year, but history says its not happening.

    Last couple of years? I thought in 16/17 RNH was near the top of the NHL in % of time against elites for C’s? Whilst being saddled with a career worst Jordan Eberle and Benoit Pouliot?

    He’s not an elite #1C, that is for certain, but I think if you look at the context of his career, he was forced to play the toughs early on, with a league worst d corps and questionable wingers (at least questionable defensively).

  42. OmJo says:

    Bank Shot: People are expecting a shot at 30 goals and 70 points from him this season despite 7 years of data where he never came close to that.

    It’s weird to me.

    There’s context behind those projections (ie his time with Connor) and considering he was on pace for 30 goals and 60 points this past season while playing just 12 games with McDavid, I don’t think it’s very weird to expect him to put up 10 more points next season while playing a significant part of the season with McDavid.

  43. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – The consensus is that RNH is going to be the winger for CMD. I’m not convinced that’s optimal. I think CmD, Drai and RNH are the 3 C’s is the best approach (and best trio in league):

    I agree with you here

    BUT

    then the big issue are the wings. We might have the best center depth with those 3 down the middle but the wings could be among the worst in the league.

    Thats the bad news about the wings.

    The good news about the wings involves a bunch of ifs

    -If Lucic rebounds to pre Edmonton scoring at even strength
    -If Strome can rebound to a 50 point season, as he did as a winger in New York
    -If JP make the jump to what we want/hope he can be
    -If KY ( see above)
    -If Reider can develop chemistry as a top 6 winger, maybe he pops offensively over a whole season
    -If one of Cags/Aberg/Rattie get a shot in the top 6 because everybody else has failed, maybe they prove to more than a bottom 6/AHL tweener

    we need some of the wingers to grab hold of the bat and knock it out of the park. I do think some of the ifs come true ( which then we dont have bottom of the league wings then)

    Kinger_Oil.redux: People won’t like my Lucic on 1st line though…

    I think Lucic is better suited with Drai, they can play a heavy game in the Ozone and run over opposition D. McDavid gets so many rush chances, he needs someone with skill and speed.

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – This team has a lot more skill and speed than I think is appreciated. It could gel nicely

    Wouldnt be fantastic if the forwards just blew off the doors for this season?

    This fanbase deserves it. I might be a bit biased though. 🙂

  44. Lowetide says:

    OmJo:
    I think it’s worth noting RNH was rushed into the league by the fantastically incompetent management.

    I respectfully disagree. Nuge as a rookie posted 7.25 5-on-4 per 60 points and could easily have been the ROY winner.

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-2012.html

  45. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – The consensus is that RNH is going to be the winger for CMD.I’m not convinced that’s optimal.I think CmD, Drai and RNH are the 3 C’s is the best approach (and best trio in league):

    Lucic-Cmd-Rattie/Kailer
    Reider-Drai-Strome/Aberg
    Jar-RNH-Pool
    Caggs-Brodziak-Upshaw/Chiasson

    – You play RNH with 2 good wingers on 3rd line, put Strome on the wing.

    – RNH > Strome

    – Conner on a good PP, and 3×3, he’s going to be danger anyways.

    – I’m sure RNH starts with CmD: but I think he’s better used as 3C, and Drai has to learn to be big boy as 2C.People won’t like my Lucic on 1st line though…

    – This team has a lot more skill and speed than I think is appreciated.It could gel nicely

    – Strong C’s can make the wingers better: Aberg, Rattie, Lucic, Pool, Kailer, Reider, Strome, Caggs: there are paths for them to play with skill and succeed.Jar might move up, Brodziak in a pinch for a bit, Chiasson scores a bit

    – I miss VOR and Chaichi by the way.

    I think if Lucic is run on McDavids wing, JP should play on his right wing. Rattle and Lucic with McDavid is going to hamstring him, in my opinion.

    In LT’s RE piece, he outlined Lucic-McD-JP having fairly elite #’s.

  46. godot10 says:

    Bank Shot: McDavid and RNH had a negative corsi together.

    Leon and McDavid were 54%.

    Guys like Russell and Caggiula get lambasted for poor corsi.

    Why is RNH immune to this?

    It’s a curious blindspot IMO.

    Rattie effect. Rattie is horrible. Caggiula-like. You are playing elite players with a one dimensional AHL’er againt the top lines and D of the opposition.

  47. Bank Shot says:

    frjohnk: I wouldnt say by a tonne.

    His first year in his 2nd contract he had 56 points.
    2nd year he had 34 points in 55 games ( 50 point pace over 82 games)
    3rd year 43 points
    Last year 48 points in 62 games ( 63 point pace over 82 games)

    The 43 point season was not as good as one would want for a player making $6M but one should note he played 42% of his time against the elites and didnt get much time on PP1.

    I agree that he is not in the conversation of Hall/Tavares, who both are top 5-15 players in the league and had second contracts similar to him.Those guys were absolute bargain contracts for the teams they played with.His numbers are on the lower end of guys making around the same amount so I believe RNH has been overpaid, but not by much.

    If RNH gets ample time with McDavid, 30 goals, 70 points is not out of reach

    Well there were some other guys that also got overpaid on potential. Doesn’t make RNH’s contract any better. A lot of those potential contracts turned out to be average at best.

    When RNH signed there were guys like Thornton and Marleau signing at $6 and a half for 70+ point seasons. Clearly the better move in retrospect on RNH would have been a bridge contract.

    I suppose its possible that RNH hits 30 goals and 70 points this year if he plays with McDavid, but it kind of supposes that RNH is better offensively than Draisaitl (Who never hit 30 goals playing with Connor).

    And it also implies that while McDavid didn’t really boost the production of guys like Hall, Eberle, or Lucic….RNH is special in some way so he will see a huge production boost.

  48. Bank Shot says:

    OmJo: There’s context behind those projections (ie his time with Connor) and considering he was on pace for 30 goals and 60 points this past season while playing just 12 games with McDavid, I don’t think it’s very weird to expect him to put up 10 more points next season while playing a significant part of the season with McDavid.

    He was also shooting 16% of his shots into the other team’s net.

    That was a far higher rate than RNH had ever done in the six years leading up to last season.

    I don’t expect that will last.

  49. GMB3 says:

    Bouchard just eeked into Pronmans top 50 prospects.

    Wahlstrom was 13th I believe.

  50. godot10 says:

    GMB3: I think if Lucic is run on McDavids wing, JP should play on his right wing. Rattle and Lucic with McDavid is going to hamstring him, in my opinion.

    In LT’s RE piece, he outlined Lucic-McD-JP having fairly elite #’s.

    The coach who sticks McDavid between Lucic and Rattie is begging to be fired. Putting a ball and chain on each of McDavid’s legs.

  51. LadiesloveSmid says:

    RNH’s OT winner against Arizona this year was one of my favourite goals of the last 10 years I think.

  52. Melvis says:

    NDOilersfan,

    Try the Edmonton Oilers site. Under Sections – hit Team – then Front Office. Scroll to the the bottom where you’ll find Tim Shipton, SVP Communications. Under Team, you’ll also find Contact Us.

    Fill in your query. Good luck!

  53. dustrock says:

    Ribs: I remember Teddy Purcell shortened his stick drastically (four inches) with advice from Adam Oates.

    Benson was the lone standout for me watching most of last night’s game. Marody was also impressive but looked like he was saving the juice for a real game.

    Jones was flying but I’m not sure how much of what he was doing would translate to the NHL game very well.

    Bouchard sure can move that puck well. Now we just need the rest of his game to catch up.

    Yeah no doubt Jones was looking around at the space he was given and the lack of speed to compete with his skating and realized he could do whatever he wanted.

  54. frjohnk says:

    Bank Shot: And it also implies that while McDavid didn’t really boost the production of guys like Hall, Eberle, or Lucic

    Hall played something like 70 minutes at 5 on 5 with McDavid and when one factors in that some of those minutes are at the end/ or start of line changes, they really did not play much together. They had very good possession and scoring chance metrics. 70 minutes just was not much of a sample size.

    Contrary to popular belief, Eberle scored very well with McDavid when they played together

    Eberle scored 2.72 points per 60 in 15-16
    Eberle scored 2.32 points per 60 in 16-17

    Both are very good 1st line numbers. If we can somebody come close to these numbers as one of McDavids wingers that is not Draisaitl, that will be fantastic.

    You are right, Lucic has not scored well with McDavid.

  55. frjohnk says:

    Bank Shot: Well there were some other guys that also got overpaid on potential. Doesn’t make RNH’s contract any better. A lot of those potential contracts turned out to be average at best.

    When RNH signed there were guys like Thornton and Marleau signing at $6 and a half for 70+ point seasons. Clearly the better move in retrospect on RNH would have been a bridge contract.

    I suppose its possible that RNH hits 30 goals and 70 points this year if he plays with McDavid, but it kind of supposes that RNH is better offensively than Draisaitl (Who never hit 30 goals playing with Connor).

    For sure, some guys like RNH got overpaid on potential, but those are risks on going long on a player with a so so track record after a couple of years ( though RNH had a great 1st year, his 2nd year was a injury plagued one)

    RNH has hit 24 goals twice, playing with McDavid could get him 6 more goals.

  56. leadfarmer says:

    GMB3:
    Bouchard just eeked into Pronmans top 50 prospects.

    Wahlstrom was 13th I believe.

    I had Wahlstrom higher than Bouchard as well, but Pronmans ranking is kind of crap and pretty far away from most people. He likes defensemen that are forwards and not good at defending and his goalie scouting is really quite crap.
    It’s an interesting read but that’s about all it’s used for.
    You cannot find any other ranking service that has Pettersson or Heiskanen anywhere near that low.
    Most of his work is hidden behind an ESPN paywall so it’s hard to tell how well he has done.

  57. Side says:

    I think it also should be considered that RNH got a $6 million contract after Eberle and Hall did. Management considered Hall, Eberle and RNH to be a package kind of deal – the trio that would be the foundation of the team so they all got paid the same since they were viewed as equally valuable. They probably viewed it from a “lets pay $18 million for our first line” lens instead of a “lets look at paying RNH based on his individual performance to this date” lens.

  58. leadfarmer says:

    GMB3:
    Bouchard just eeked into Pronmans top 50 prospects.

    Wahlstrom was 13th I believe.

    http://bluesteam.hockey/ranking-the-rankers-conclusion/
    Ranking of the people rankings. Pronman didn’t do so hot in those 2010-13 years and he remains quite stubborn on his bets.
    His lists suffer from from regency bias. But I do like that he shoots for the moon with his prospects.

  59. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Side,

    – yeah having 3 Steve Austin’s (do you know I came up with that?) was just a sign of how out of depth management was.

    – management theory on this was “hey we are building a team of equals and no one is better than anyone else”

    – it’s the kind of philosophy that a teenager building a fantasy team does.

    – the real world doesn’t work that way: the only work that was done to dole out 3×6 for 3 totally different players was a niave feel good story by management who didn’t understand value term cap precedent transactions performance etc.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    flea:
    Do you think they’ll play Bouchard again tonight? Going to the game here in my home city! Looking forward to it.

    I’m still waiting to get some official lineup news – all i know for sure is that Bear is back in.

    My guess is that Bear and Samorukov replace Bouchard and Jones and that Yamamoto and Joe G. replace Benson and Marody.

  61. PinkSocks says:

    Kassian is overpaid to play on the 4th line.

    Kassian has played 38, 38, and 41 minutes with 97 in each of the past three seasons.

    Kassian has not been given a real opportunity in the top 6 since his arrival in Edmonton.

    Kassian is faster, bigger, stronger, and better than Ty Rattie

    In 2015 Kassian posted 54.1% Corsi / 59.4% Shots / 55.6% Goal Share with the Sedins
    In 2015 w/o Kassian the Sedins posted 55.2% Corsi / 57.3% Shots / 52.4% Goal Share

    Rattie + McDavid – 46.8% Corsi / 43.5% Shots / 52.0% Goal Share
    McDavid w/o Rattie – 53.1% Corsi / 53.6% Shots / 58.1% Goal Share

    So in trying to apply a bit of logic, one could make the argument that Kassian was a benefit to the Sedins, and certainly was not a detriment. Rattie should be on Connor McDavid’s wing as often as I am on Connor McDavid’s wing.

    The solution to 1RW has been on the 4th line for a few years. Kassian has the speed to play there, is acceptable defensively, and yes, I still subscribe to having a bit of a deterrent on the ice with your star player.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: RNH is the only viable top six winger the team has. Putting Lucic with CMD is like making him play with one hand tied behind his back. Strome has shown he is more effective as a centre, putting RNH as a third line centre ensures the team will have the same problems scoring goals as last year.

    I would suggest you are missing the word “proven” in the first sentence. I don’t think its a big reach to suggest that Jesse Puljujarvi will be a viable top 6 winger at some point this season, potentially on October 6.

    Also, Milan Lucic may never find his 50 point game again, however, on the other hand, the man is simply not that old and very well could find his even strength game again and be a viable top 6 winger.

    Nope, neither of those two are sure bets but there very well could be viable top 6 wingers in addition to Nuge.

    We wait and see.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: I respectfully disagree. Nuge as a rookie posted 7.25 5-on-4 per 60 points and could easily have been the ROY winner.

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-2012.html

    Stauffer has been talking about his opinion that Nuge was not rushed quite a bit over the last few days (obviously in connection with the, somewhat overblown, theory that the Oilers rush their prospects).

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Rattie effect.Rattie is horrible. Caggiula-like.You are playing elite players with a one dimensional AHL’er againt the top lines and D of the opposition.

    When talking about straight corsi (as per the original post), no, its not the Rattie effect.

    McCavid and Nuge had a higher CF% with Rattie than without:

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=EDM&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2017-10-04&td=2018-04-08&tgp=82&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=8476454&p3=8476427&p4=0&p5=0

  65. Johnny Larue says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s 2018-19 Death March™ is Back!!

    Here’s how you enter:

    Predict the final points total of the Oilers.

    Tie break: how many goals does Yakupov score in the KHL?

    That’s it!

    Contest open until puck drop in Europe.

    104 Points

    Yak 15 goals

  66. Ivan says:

    hunter1909,

    Hunter,
    99 pts,
    15 goals for Yak
    Thanks for this!

  67. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Corsi is great and all but when Connor Mcdavid and Nuge are just a little above sawing of the competition in GF% you know you have one heck of a boat anchor with them. And all his fancies without them, although limited numbers, confirm the fact that this is at best a borderline NHL player.
    The fact that we are playing Rattie with a player like Mcdavid is a unforgivable crime.

  68. theWaxCollector says:

    hunter1909,

    Hunter, 98 Points and 21 goals for Yakk

  69. Alpine says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Side,

    – yeah having 3 Steve Austin’s (do you know I came up with that?) was just a sign of how out of depth management was.

    – management theory on this was “hey we are building a team of equals and no one is better than anyone else”

    – it’s the kind of philosophy that a teenager building a fantasy team does.

    – the real world doesn’t work that way: the only work that was done to dole out 3×6 for 3 totally different players was a niave feel good story by management who didn’t understand value term cap precedent transactions performance etc.

    18 mil for the three of those guys was fine. Don’t think they could have got them for that much less combined. They signed each player a year before their ELC was up, so after each of their two years neither guy had much separation from the other two.

    Only Eberle was maybe ahead due a sh% Heater, and they still got him and Hall at the same price. They bet on Nuge hitting above 60 points regularly which didn’t happen but that was hardly an outrageous bet when he was on pace for 60 in his rookie year and 50 in his second year with injuries litmiting his efffectiveness.

    There’s a laundry list of items to bitch about that management group for but those contracts aren’t it. They ‘may’ have saved a million at most if they paid each guy accordingly, e.g. Hall 7 mil, and the other two 5 or 5.5 each.

    The piss poor defense acquisition (Ference? Come on), awful drafting in the 2nd and 3rd rounds (Musil, Moroz, Perhonen, Abney, Martindale? Come on), woeful pro scouting and crappy evaluation of their own assets had much more to do with being a massive failure of a franchise.

  70. leadfarmer says:

    NDOilersfan:
    Hey everyone, I have a favor to ask any/all of you.I was looking at the schedule for this season and saw that the Oilers play in Minnesota on my son’s 2nd birthday, and that happens to be the closest arena to where we live.So we are planning on taking him to his first ever Oiler game for his birthday.What I would really like to do is get some pictures of him with some of the players if possible, but I’m not really sure who to contact to try and get that set up.I was thinking of emailing Gene Principe but I wasn’t able to find his contact info.Does anyone here know how I can reach him? Or is there someone else I should speak to about it?

    Thanks for the help!

    The Excel center is a great place to watch a game and where I get my oil fix. Don’t know who to contact though unfortunately.

  71. Rocknrolla says:

    hunter1909,

    Hey Hunter.

    Let’s go oilers at 96 points, and yak with 21 taters.

  72. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: When talking about straight corsi (as per the original post), no, its not the Rattie effect.

    McCavid and Nuge had a higher CF% with Rattie than without:

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=EDM&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2017-10-04&td=2018-04-08&tgp=82&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=8476454&p3=8476427&p4=0&p5=0

    So we are talking about 80 minutes altogether over the season where Nuge and Connor were together without Rattie, and most of that time was with another AHL’er in Iro Pakarinen.

    So all that tells you is that Rattie might be better than Iro Pakarinen.

    They basically had neglible time together with an actual NHL player on the other wing.

    Sheer utter genius from the coach behind the bendh.

  73. OmJo says:

    Lowetide: I respectfully disagree. Nuge as a rookie posted 7.25 5-on-4 per 60 points and could easily have been the ROY winner.

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-2012.html

    I remember at the time some were concerned about his physical readiness moreso than his skill. He scored a hat trick in what, his third game?

    On another note, crazy how out of Hall, Nuge, Yak and McDavid (among others back in the day) this organization has yet to win A ROTY award.

  74. Ribs says:

    NDOilersfan:
    Hey everyone, I have a favor to ask any/all of you.I was looking at the schedule for this season and saw that the Oilers play in Minnesota on my son’s 2nd birthday, and that happens to be the closest arena to where we live.So we are planning on taking him to his first ever Oiler game for his birthday.What I would really like to do is get some pictures of him with some of the players if possible, but I’m not really sure who to contact to try and get that set up.I was thinking of emailing Gene Principe but I wasn’t able to find his contact info.Does anyone here know how I can reach him? Or is there someone else I should speak to about it?

    Thanks for the help!

    You could try him on twitter… @GenePrincipe

    Sounds awesome! Good luck!

  75. deardylan says:

    Hunter,

    Thanks for reminding me of the rules and that Yak is the tiebreaker. Now that you pointed that out I am feeling especially lucky with 97 points. Man you must really love Yak to keep his memory alive.

    So I still stand at 0 goals in NHL and when he wears his #65 KHL jersey I double down for 6+5=11 😉

    97 pts for Oilers
    11 KHL goal for Yak

  76. leadfarmer says:

    Side:
    I think it also should be considered that RNH got a $6 million contract after Eberle and Hall did.Management considered Hall, Eberle and RNH to be a package kind of deal – the trio that would be the foundation of the team so they all got paid the same since they were viewed as equally valuable.They probably viewed it from a “lets pay $18 million for our first line” lens instead of a “lets look at paying RNH based on his individual performance to this date” lens.

    Only Hall was a good contract. When Eberles contract started he had the 4th highest cap hit in the league for RW. He definitely did not turn out to be top 5 RW. Nuge by the fact that centers are paid more than wingers was the 17th highest cap hit for centers when his contract started. Still should have been less

  77. NDOilersfan says:

    Melvis,

    Thanks, Melvis! I’ll take a look tonight.

  78. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer: Only Hall was a good contract.When Eberles contract started he had the 4th highest cap hit in the league for RW.He definitely did not turn out to be top 5 RW.Nuge by the fact that centers are paid more than wingers was the 17th highest cap hit for centers when his contract started.Still should have been less

    The original post by Bank Shot was a bit of straw man argument.

    I think the general consensus here over the years was basically as you’ve stated. No one argued that Nuge or Eberle had value contracts.

    We all know that if Eberle had a cap hit of $4.5 m, the trade return could have been much better.

    At the same time, the overpays for Nuge and Eberle were relatively insignificant compared to the other mistakes made by management since drafting Hall. They were vastly overshadowed by blowing cap on guys like Nikitin, Ference, Pouliot, and Korps. Even more so on horrible asset management with the litany of poor trades.

    Dubnyk for Henderson
    Rieder for Kessy
    Gilbert for Schultz
    Petry for a 2nd and conditional fifth
    Schultz for a 3rd
    Hall for Larson
    Barzal pick for Reinhart
    Eberle for Strome

  79. NDOilersfan says:

    Ribs: You could try him on twitter… @GenePrincipe

    Sounds awesome! Good luck!

    I actually don’t have twitter, but this might be a good reason to start

  80. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I think the team is challenged more by coaching than talent.

    The Knights don’t have a better roster, many teams don’t but play better as a team. Their players and youth especially excel, the Oilers perpetually struggle with minor upswings.

    Tampa has a few great players but imo the sum is greater than the parts ( plus goalie).

    If McLellan can change and the coaching group gets positive, encouraging and creative that alone would be a huge step forward. Get these guys young or not to play up to their level and to their strengths.

    Even last year when they fired on all cylinders they were formidable and cleanly beat good teams.

  81. pts2pndr says:

    Bank Shot: Well you could say they were getting the breaks in terms of scoring.

    In corsi, RNH has been putting up underwhelming results for 4 years. It’s always someone else’s fault. In this case Rattie is the culprit.

    I don’t mind RNH as a player, but his contract was a big overpayment for a lot of years, and he’s not the player that he gets credit for being.

    That statement puts you in a minority! He is a sound all aound excellent player! In my opinion you are judging him harshly!

  82. Leroy Draisdale says:

    On a separate note, there is on article on Sportsnet about How good Anderson is and Talbot shows pretty good by the metrics they are using….. hopefully he bounces back in a big way!

  83. stephen sheps says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s 2018-19 Death March™ is Back!!

    Here’s how you enter:

    Predict the final points total of the Oilers.

    Tie break: how many goals does Yakupov score in the KHL?

    That’s it!

    Contest open until puck drop in Europe.

    Hunter,

    I’m pretty pessimistic about the team this year. During the early years of the death march contest, I used to ask you to put me down for a Hemsky, but that was hopeful relative to all the years of suck. This year, 83 points does not represent hope but rather failed dreams.

    So, once more with a feeling (a bad one, mind you but it’s still a feeling), I’ll take 83 points.

    However I am bullish on Yak recovering some of his scoring ability. I think he’ll score 19.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3:
    Bouchard just eeked into Pronmans top 50 prospects.

    Wahlstrom was 13th I believe.

    Pronman had Bouchard (and Dobson) ranked around 18th I believe so this isn’t surprising.

  85. T0ML says:

    hunter1909,

    Put me down for 93 please.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: So we are talking about 80 minutes altogether over the season where Nuge and Connor were together without Rattie, and most of that time was with another AHL’er in Iro Pakarinen.

    So all that tells you is that Rattie might be better than Iro Pakarinen.

    They basically had neglible time together with an actual NHL player on the other wing.

    Sheer utter genius from the coach behind the bendh.

    Dude,

    Someone mentioned that Nuge and Connor had a fairly poor Corsi together.

    You stated that the reason for the poor Corsi was because of Rattie.

    I provided irrefutable factual evidence that your statement was incorrect.

    I’ve been opinionated that Rattie should not be 1RW, just like you, but that’s not the point – my point was simply that you provided wrong information (and stated it as fact).

  87. Bling says:

    Hunter:

    106 points for the Oil, 20 goals for Yak.

    Cheers!

  88. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    PinkSocks:
    Kassian is overpaid to play on the 4th line.

    Kassian has played 38, 38, and 41 minutes with 97 in each of the past three seasons.

    Kassian has not been given a real opportunity in the top 6 since his arrival in Edmonton.

    Kassian is faster, bigger, stronger, and better than Ty Rattie

    In 2015 Kassian posted 54.1% Corsi / 59.4% Shots / 55.6% Goal Share with the Sedins
    In 2015 w/o Kassian the Sedins posted 55.2% Corsi / 57.3% Shots / 52.4% Goal Share

    Rattie + McDavid – 46.8% Corsi / 43.5% Shots / 52.0% Goal Share
    McDavid w/o Rattie – 53.1% Corsi / 53.6% Shots / 58.1% Goal Share

    So in trying to apply a bit of logic, one could make the argument that Kassian was a benefit to the Sedins, and certainly was not a detriment.Rattie should be on Connor McDavid’s wing as often as I am on Connor McDavid’s wing.

    The solution to 1RW has been on the 4th line for a few years.Kassian has the speed to play there, is acceptable defensively, and yes, I still subscribe to having a bit of a deterrent on the ice with your star player.

    Could not agree more. Always felt that Kassian was being wasted on the 4th line in Edmonton. Remember him wreaking havoc with the Sedins in Vancouver. Very opportunistic scorer. But the oilers just don’t seem to see it that way.

  89. pts2pndr says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I think the team is challenged more by coaching than talent.

    The Knights don’t have a better roster, many teams don’t but play better as a team. Their players and youth especially excel, the Oilers perpetually struggle with minor upswings.

    Tampa has a few great players but imo the sum is greater than the parts ( plus goalie).

    If McLellan can change and the coaching group gets positive, encouraging and creative that alone would be a huge step forward. Get these guys young or not to play up to their level and to their strengths.

    Even last year when they fired on all cylinders they were formidable and cleanly beat good teams.

    The only person you can change is you! No one can change McLellan other than McLellan! He in my opinion is a good man but His coaching technique is rooted! Like the mighty oak he is unyielding! His methodolg is outdated! I will cheer for the team and also for him but I would not bet on any change!

  90. Melvis says:

    NDOilersfan,

    No problem. I hope it works out for you.

  91. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3:
    Bouchard just eeked into Pronmans top 50 prospects.

    Wahlstrom was 13th I believe.

    Wow. I think that really illustrates the usefulness of these kind of lists. You can use all the objective numbers you want, but it still comes down to personal preference. I actually wanted the Oil to take Wahlstrom, but I can’t see the justification for such a wide disparity in rankings.

  92. ArmchairGM says:

    Bank Shot: McDavid and RNH had a negative corsi together.

    Leon and McDavid were 54%.

    Guys like Russell and Caggiula get lambasted for poor corsi.

    Why is RNH immune to this?

    It’s a curious blindspot IMO.

    A GF% of 65 or so tends to overshadow average corgi’s. Anyways, if TMac would only run Puljujarvi on the 1-line the shot-based metrics would look good too.

  93. Bad Seed says:

    The one thing everyone forgets is that the Oilers got the ball rolling on outrageous second contracts with the three Steve Austins.

  94. ArmchairGM says:

    PinkSocks:
    Kassian is overpaid to play on the 4th line.

    Kassian has played 38, 38, and 41 minutes with 97 in each of the past three seasons.

    Kassian has not been given a real opportunity in the top 6 since his arrival in Edmonton.

    Kassian is faster, bigger, stronger, and better than Ty Rattie

    In 2015 Kassian posted 54.1% Corsi / 59.4% Shots / 55.6% Goal Share with the Sedins
    In 2015 w/o Kassian the Sedins posted 55.2% Corsi / 57.3% Shots / 52.4% Goal Share

    Rattie + McDavid – 46.8% Corsi / 43.5% Shots / 52.0% Goal Share
    McDavid w/o Rattie – 53.1% Corsi / 53.6% Shots / 58.1% Goal Share

    So in trying to apply a bit of logic, one could make the argument that Kassian was a benefit to the Sedins, and certainly was not a detriment.Rattie should be on Connor McDavid’s wing as often as I am on Connor McDavid’s wing.

    The solution to 1RW has been on the 4th line for a few years.Kassian has the speed to play there, is acceptable defensively, and yes, I still subscribe to having a bit of a deterrent on the ice with your star player.

    Now look at Kassian’s numbers with Draisaitl last year. Small sample but mind-blowing results.

  95. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Bad Seed,

    The post 06 Cup run contracts say hello.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: A GF% of 65 or so tends to overshadow average corgi’s. Anyways, if TMac would only run Puljujarvi on the 1-line the shot-based metrics would look good too.

    To play devil’s advocate, I think I’ve been told that, in small sample sizes, possession metrics are more predictive than goal share, no?

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rodrigue gets the start in net.

  98. Lowetide says:

    Yamamoto with a great look but puck skipped and then Rodrigue with a nice save on a dangerous shot off the rush from I think Dube.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov with a weak reverse behind his net to noone for a turnover – he continues to have a tough camp.

  100. Lowetide says:

    Polei with a nice chance, and then a strong hit.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    So, as expected, seems like no Jones and Bouchard in addition to no Benson and no Marody.

  102. Lowetide says:

    McLeod with a nice shot on the power play, and Hebig intercepted the puck in the neutral zone and got a reasonable shot on the PP.

  103. Lowetide says:

    Dominant shift by the Yamamoto line, can’t believe they didn’t get a goal there. McLeod’s speed was on display there too. My.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gust/McLeon/Yamamoto – buzzing.

    Whoa, nice rush/moves by McLeod.

  105. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: To play devil’s advocate, I think I’ve been told that, in small sample sizes, possession metrics are more predictive than goal share, no?

    Ok, then try this on for size:

    McDavid + Nugent-Hopkins + Rattie:
    128:49 TOI
    50.19 CF%
    50.00 FF%
    47.95 SF%
    65.00 GF%

    McDavid + Nugent-Hopkins w/o Rattie:
    78:16 TOI
    48.05 CF%
    47.86 FF%
    50.00 SF%
    66.67 GF%

    McDavid + Rattie w/o Nugent-Hopkins
    30:07 TOI
    32.20 CF%
    28.89 FF%
    22.58 SF%
    00.00 GF% (0-5)

    So if Rattie isn’t the drag, who is? McDavid?

    PS. Any guesses who the LW was in the 30:07 RNH was missing?

  106. Lowetide says:

    Flames up 1-0, Samorukov got walked badly there.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Just like Sunday – Oilers with all pressure early but then a break the other way and the puck is in the net.

    Samorukov didn’t look good there.

  108. JimmyV1965 says:

    I don’t get the love for Kassian on the first line. He’s never been a big scorer at any level. He scored 14 goals once with the Canucks. He’s one of the last guys I would want on the first line. I would much rather have Lucic on the first line. At least he’s had five 20 goal seasons. Kassian has tremendous value, but it’s in the bottom six.

  109. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    So, as expected, seems like no Jones and Bouchard in addition to no Benson and no Marody.

    Is Maksimov on a skill line?

  110. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I don’t get the love for Kassian on the first line. He’s never been a big scorer at any level.He scored 14 goals once with the Canucks. He’s one of the last guys I would want on the first line. I would much rather have Lucic on the first line. At least he’s had five 20 goal seasons. Kassian has tremendous value, but it’s in the bottom six.

    How many goals did Maroon have before joining the 1st line in Edmonton? Yeah, thought so.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Is Maksimov on a skill line?

    I think he’s with Larkin and Vesey which could arguably be the 2nd line tonight – not devoid of skill but not with Yamamoto or McLeod which I would have liked to have seen.

  112. Lowetide says:

    Samorukov with a poor decision again, the young man is having a difficult camp. 2-0 CGY.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scrambly play in front of the Oiler net and a rebound is buried.

    Samorukov with a fairly weak play in front of the net.

  114. Lowetide says:

    McLeod and Yamamoto have some chem, but it’s 3-0 Flames.

  115. Professor Q says:

    Have to respect one bold enough to name their kid d’Artagnan. A lot to live up to.

  116. Lowetide says:

    Luke Esposito with a nice goal on the backhand. 3-1 Flames.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    McLeod and Yamamoto have some chem, but it’s 3-0 Flames.

    McLeod has got better as the tournament has gone on. Better last night and even better and more noticeable in the first period today.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Messier’s nephew with a quick backhand that gets the Oilers on the board.

  119. Oil2Oilers says:

    I do not approve of Hunter the Mascot banging on the glass. Hunter the LT commentor I do approve of.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    No, Jack, that Esposito goal did NOT remind me of that Malkin goal from the past.

  121. Lowetide says:

    This is the same as the first game between these two teams, Edmonton having the edge in play but down early and often. I liked McLeod, Yamamoto, Lagesson, Polei i that period. Samorukov had a tough period, got an assist on a raggedy goal at the end. of the period.

  122. ArmchairGM says:

    Two shifts in a row I noticed some hustle and skill play out of Esposito – and a goal on the second one. Hopefully he raises the level in Bakersfield this year.

  123. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I don’t get the love for Kassian on the first line. He’s never been a big scorer at any level.He scored 14 goals once with the Canucks. He’s one of the last guys I would want on the first line. I would much rather have Lucic on the first line. At least he’s had five 20 goal seasons. Kassian has tremendous value, but it’s in the bottom six.

    I would like to have Lucic on the first line too. Unfortunately, Milan skates like a 50 year old man who’s been involved in one too many motorcycle accidents. Not even remotely a good fit with McDavid. Didn’t we see this in the first half of last year, before Milan’s skating got even worse in the second half? Just so you know, I was a big fan of the Lucic signing when it happened.

  124. Lowetide says:

    Dube walks Lagesson, gets a penalty. Lagesson isn’t slow, I’ll credit Dube there.

  125. Lowetide says:

    Nice PK work by Bear.

  126. Lowetide says:

    Yamamoto a dandy turnover on the PK, gets a legit chance just misses the net.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Very skilled play there by Yamamoto – steals one on the PK in the neutral zone and makes a quick move on a 1 on 1 and grazes the post with a shot.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Two shifts in a row I noticed some hustle and skill play out of Esposito – and a goal on the second one. Hopefully he raises the level in Bakersfield this year.

    He’ll need to be signed – he’s the one pure tryout guy in camp.

    Looks like he may get himself an AHL contract.

  129. Lowetide says:

    Yamamoto having another fabulous shift there, he’s having a nice game.

  130. Lowetide says:

    Yamamoto is contesting everything, love his game.

  131. ArmchairGM says:

    Yamamoto a one-man band out there

  132. jtblack says:

    and in case LT & OP are wondering ; I am following all your updates.

    Thx

  133. OmJo says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I don’t get the love for Kassian on the first line. He’s never been a big scorer at any level.He scored 14 goals once with the Canucks. He’s one of the last guys I would want on the first line. I would much rather have Lucic on the first line. At least he’s had five 20 goal seasons. Kassian has tremendous value, but it’s in the bottom six.

    He’s shown some offense in his last season in Jr’s (playing with Hall IIRC) and in the AHL. Plus he had a few moments in the playoffs a couple years back.

    Has he been given an offensive role to completely write him off? I’m for giving him a chance even if it’s just in preseason.

  134. Lowetide says:

    Hebig arrives! Great shot. Lordy.

  135. Lowetide says:

    Polei ties it, Samorukov shoots on a two-on-one and we’re 3-3. Fun game.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Polei with a terrible turnover at the flame blueline to go the other way but the flames turn in over for a 2 on 1 – nice low shot by Samorukov and the totally gassed Polei buries the rebound to tie the game.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    he Oilers have been the better team throughout (well, except for the mistakes) so they deserve to be back in the game.

  138. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide:
    Yamamoto is contesting everything, love his game.

    I wish he has more finish.

  139. Cahoon says:

    I started watching halfway through the 2nd period, so I only got 10 minutes of play, but man did Joe Gambardella look great in those 10 minutes.

  140. Lowetide says:

    flyfish1168: I wish he has more finish.

    Yeah, I think he’ll be more of a playmaker. He scored 37.5 goals per 82 games in the WHL during his career, that’s a quality scorer. Eberle scored 50.0 per 82 so there’s a gap, but Yamamoto averaged 104 points per 82, Eberle averaged 100 per 82.

  141. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Skinner in net for the 3rd.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    This flame lineup tonight is going to be similar to the lineup they ice in the two pre-season games we play against them. Terrible.

  143. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Worth noting in comparative evaluations, but could be useful for building momentum heading into the season.

  144. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, I think he’ll be more of a playmaker. He scored 37.5 goals per 82 games in the WHL during his career, that’s a quality scorer. Eberle scored 50.0 per 82 so there’s a gap, but Yamamoto averaged 104 points per 82, Eberle averaged 100 per 82.

    Best offensive player after BOA rookies is Dhillion Dube

  145. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The Oiler prospects backcheck and defend the slot like the big league team. So we see the system is perfectly integrated finally!

  146. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Joe G. with some good boots and commitment.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168: Best offensive player after BOA rookies is Dhillion Dube

    Save Tyler Benson.

  148. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Save Tyler Benson.

    Not even close. If you are trading for Dube, it would be Benson +

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think it was quite close – Dube is more “dymanic” but Benson sent 3 guys in all alone with quick nifty passes in the first game and dominated a PP from the half boards. Different styles but Benson was very effective offensively.

  150. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: Save Tyler Benson.

    They were drafted in the same round, same season iirc.

  151. Oz says:

    Jones, Bouchard and Benson are my choices for the players showing the most rounded game in two Calgary contests. Tonight McLeod had speed and passing but did not control the puck as well as the previously mentioned three, and Yamamoto did not do well in close around the goal or on the boards.
    Now for the OP Rider clause on the last two, with better team mates they have the speed and quickness to improve.
    Skinners goaliering was shite, while Rodriquez rebound control improved in the second.
    Tat is what I saw ….. ask three people you will get three different answers😎

  152. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    well… these games were a perfect example of the game called: goalie
    Not feeling so enthusiastic about our goalie prospects… that Parsons guy however… damn those fLames!
    And how the heck can Yamamoto look so dominant for almost half the game, and not get a single point???

  153. who says:

    Missed the first period so I guess I missed all of Samorokovs mistakes. Looks like a legit prospect to me. Skates well and looks like he can handle the puck a little.
    Lagesson looked like a bit of a plodder tonight. Not sure he can keep up at the NHL level.
    Yamamoto had a couple of nice shifts but still doesn’t look like a dominant player to me. I see him as more of an opportunist than a driver.
    Bear is not ready to defend at an NHL level.
    McLeod showed some flashes. He may turn into something..
    Gamberdelli might have been their best player tonight.

  154. Rocknrolla says:

    If you missed the game or part of it on YouTube you can rewind and rewatch parts of it.

  155. Ribs says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    well… these games were a perfect example of the game called: goalie
    Not feeling so enthusiastic about our goalie prospects… that Parsons guy however… damn those fLames!
    And how the heck can Yamamoto look so dominant for almost half the game, and not get a single point???

    Red jerseys splattering his insides all over the boards every time the puck came near him. Oilers looked weapon-shy this game. Makes it a lot easier to key in on a guy like Yamamoto and nullify him.

  156. Ribs says:

    who: Bear is not ready to defend at an NHL level.

    Didn’t resemble the confident player we saw last year at all.

    Just a glitch, I hope.

  157. flea says:

    I was at the game tonight. The atmosphere was pretty great! So cool to see the mix of flames and oilers fans in attendance. Saw Jones/Benson/Bouchard wandering around. A few scouts, John Shannon, and Hunter too!

    Impressions of the Oilers. Neither goalie was great. The Oilers had a big flurry before the first Calgary goal and couldn’t buy one. The flames seemed much more organized in the neutral zone and were able to break out more consistently. Burned the Oilers on some of the goals. I liked Yamamoto even though he didn’t create a ton. Polei played well in his old barn. I didn’t mind Bear but we sat mostly on the oilers attack side and didn’t see the defensive action that closely.

    Everyone was surprised at the end of the game walking out into a blizzard! Felt like hockey season was in full swing. Overall a fun game and it didn’t mean much. Oilers could’ve won it with some luck and better goaling.

  158. JimmyV1965 says:

    ArmchairGM: How many goals did Maroon have before joining the 1st line in Edmonton? Yeah, thought so.

    Maroon was also a dominant offensive player at every level of hockey he played. Always a top scorer on his teams in junior and the AHL.

  159. JimmyV1965 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: I would like to have Lucic on the first line too.Unfortunately, Milan skates like a 50 year old man who’s been involved in one too many motorcycle accidents. Not even remotely a good fit with McDavid. Didn’t we see this in the first half of last year, before Milan’s skating got even worse in the second half? Just so you know, I was a big fan of the Lucic signing when it happened.

    I’m not super keen on Lucic being on the first line either. But I would rather that than Kassian.

  160. who says:

    Ribs: Didn’t resemble the confident player we saw last year at all.

    Just a glitch, I hope.

    I dunno. He kind of looked like the same player I saw last spring. Makes a nice breakout pass but gets caught standing still or puck watching on defense.
    Experience and coaching can solve this but I think the Oilers need to see marked improvement in his defensive play this year.

  161. Ribs says:

    who,

    I’d expect to see that kind of stuff from him against NHL level competition, but this was clearly not that.

    Getting excited to see the tempo turned up soon!

  162. godot10 says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    well… these games were a perfect example of the game called: goalie
    Not feeling so enthusiastic about our goalie prospects… that Parsons guy however… damn those fLames!
    And how the heck can Yamamoto look so dominant for almost half the game, and not get a single point???

    You did watch the nine games he got in the NHL last year. It is becoming a thing. It may take him a year in the AHL to figure it out.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    well… these games were a perfect example of the game called: goalie
    Not feeling so enthusiastic about our goalie prospects… that Parsons guy however… damn those fLames!
    And how the heck can Yamamoto look so dominant for almost half the game, and not get a single point???

    This would be a perfect example of putting too much stock in evaluating prospects in a tiny sample size tournament. Nope, none of the goalies played well but Skinner played, what 3 periods of hockey? I think any sample size of three periods of hockey can be thrown out as completely meaningless.

    At last year’s tournament in Penticton, I believe Skinner gave up zero goals.

    I wouldn’t be discouraged at all based on a 3 period sample size over two games.

    No goalie even played a full game.

  164. JimmyV1965 says:

    Goalies are voodoo. Parsons had an .856 save percentage in the AHL last year. Maybe he’s lights out this year. Who knows.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    Officially starts today.

    Here is the link to the training camp roster posted on the website :

    http://downloads.oilers.nhl.com/pdfs/2018-OILERS-TRAINING-CAMP-ROSTER.pdf

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ribs: Didn’t resemble the confident player we saw last year at all.

    Just a glitch, I hope.

    He sure did in the game on Sunday afternoon where he was one of the better players on the ice.

    Goes to show how little these games mean as far an NHL readiness.

    Even the first 3-4 pre-season games mean very little as far as NHL readiness.

    I see posts all over Oil Country about the goalie performance being discouraging for the future and it boggles my mind. Stuart Skinner played 3 periods over 2 games in a rookie tournament in September. Nope, he didn’t play well but do we really think 3 periods scattered over two game in behind a giant mixed bad of d-men means anything?

    Last year in the Penticton tournament he have up zero goals.

  167. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ArmchairGM,

    – my guess is cags?

  168. russ99 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: I would like to have Lucic on the first line too.Unfortunately, Milan skates like a 50 year old man who’s been involved in one too many motorcycle accidents. Not even remotely a good fit with McDavid. Didn’t we see this in the first half of last year, before Milan’s skating got even worse in the second half? Just so you know, I was a big fan of the Lucic signing when it happened.

    If he played like Lucic in LA and Boston he’d be a fit. Not everyone has to freewheel in the zone, and make 6 passes into the net, his board and net front presence and passing ability under pressure used to be a weapon, but we just haven’t seen it much with the Oilers.

    IMO, the key to McDavid’s line this year is to find someone to play with him and Nuge or Leon and be able to make the tough plays to recover the puck, keep possession and get the puck to players in good spots after the initial rush chance. We saw it all too often last year where we overcommit, lose the puck and ending up in an odd man break going the other way. I really hope the assistants help with this, as well as zone exit on the other side of the ice.

    I’d love this player to eventually be Jesse, but he’s got a ways to go.

    What I want to see from Looch this year is much better battle, not giving up on the puck/play, getting to better places to make plays and for Gord’s sake don’t play him with RNH.

  169. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: He sure did in the game on Sunday afternoon where he was one of the better players on the ice.

    Goes to show how little these games mean as far an NHL readiness.

    Even the first 3-4 pre-season games mean very little as far as NHL readiness.

    I see posts all over Oil Country about the goalie performance being discouraging for the future and it boggles my mind. Stuart Skinner played 3 periods over 2 games in a rookie tournament in September.Nope, he didn’t play well but do we really think 3 periods scattered over two game in behind a giant mixed bad of d-men means anything?

    Last year in the Penticton tournament he have up zero goals.

    Off topic, what do you think of Chiasson?

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    Spector reporting that the gap between the Oilers and Nurse is $200K – $300k on a two year bridge.

    Also stated that there are no talks scheduled today.

    With that gap, this will get done without missing too much camp, right?

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: Off topic, what do you think of Chiasson?

    Very little – I like that he’s younger than Upshall, however, he’s old enough that he no longer has draft pedigree upside. He’s a negative player in almost all relative respects. I think there will be better fits on the waiver wire and I can’t see him getting a contract over Upshall and I can’t see both.

  172. Ribs says:

    OriginalPouzar: He sure did in the game on Sunday afternoon where he was one of the better players on the ice.

    Good to hear! I missed that one.

    You’re right that it’s hard to take much from these prospect games. The mixed levels of talent on the rosters skew things heavily.

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