NURSE! STAT!

The Edmonton Oilers dropped their training camp roster last night, 62 lines on a page and not one of them reads Darnell Nurse. Peter Chiarelli’s history as a negotiator is likely at least partly responsible for his current situation and the Oilers are in a spot of bother because of it. A sticky wicket, as the English say.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic made some big additions last week, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman joining the Edmonton staff. Daniel, Jonathan Willis, Minnia Feng, Pat McLean and me will deliver prose all winter long and there will be tons via the national desk from Tyler Dellow, Corey Pronman and Dom Luszczysyn. Special offer is here, less than $4 a month! Also, don’t forget to join us later this month (September 24, The Rec Room south side) for a get together and general merriment. I’m thrilled to be part of this group, hope you join us.

  • New Eric Duhatschek: Connor McDavid knows what ails the Oilers and how to improve it.
  • New Lowetide: RE 18-19: Leon Draisaitl and the pursuit of a second outscoring line in ’18-19
  • New Jonathan Willis: If the Oilers improve in ’18-19, they’ll do it on the back of special teams
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Ethan Bear is providing inspiration for Indigenous youth through his hockey camp.
  • New Jonathan Willis: The arrival of Alex Chiasson gives the Oilers a crowd up front
  • The Athletic Cross Canada Tour Will hit Edmonton!
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19 Can the McDavid line lead the 2018-19 Oilers to the playoffs?
  • Lowetide: For Oilers young forwards, it’s what you create versus what you leave.
  • Lowetide: Ryan Mantha’s injury and uncertain recovery.
  • Lowetide: Oilers rookie camp roster offers options and balance.
  • Corey Pronman: The most intriguing prospect to watch at camp for every NHL team.
  • Jonathan Willis: Three different KHL stars, three different paths to NHL success.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Bringing something different to the Oilers beat.
  • Dom Luszczyszyn: 2018-19 season preview Edmonton Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Who will win the McDavid-line lottery?
  • Lowetide: The 2018-19 Oilers and what may come.
  • Lowetide: The 2015 draft and what was lost
  • Lowetide: Projecting the 2018-19 Oilers opening night roster
  • Lowetide: Where will Tobias Rieder land on the Oilers depth chart?

ROOKIE CAMP 2018

  • Best Player: Caleb Jones. He played well last year at the same camp, but the step forward this time was something else again. You guarantee nothing out of training camp, he could fade and be optioned out long before cut-down day. It’s important to note his apparent step forward as we begin the early chapters of this season.
  • Best Player entering pro hockey this season: Tyler Benson. He first rookie camp was a memorable one, Benson’s cherry passes being cashed (and not cashed) all over the offensive zone. He impacts all of the plays he is involved in.
  • Best 2018 draft pick: Evan Bouchard. I love his passing and vision. He has calm feet, a wonderful asset (although he’ll need to be aware of back pressure). His defending, while a lot about positioning as opposed to pursuit, is effective. It’s also important to note that comparing Bouchard to Jones (drafted three years earlier) or Benson (two years) is wildly unfair to the younger man. Bouchard is easily the best prospect of the three.
  • Fastest train: Ryan McLeod. He got better as camp went along. If he learns how to doggedly forecheck, McLeod will become a favourite of this blog.
  • Best AHL contract: Evan Polei. I really like his game.
  • Biggest disappointment. Kirill Maksimov. I’m still a believer but you would have liked to have seen more from the impressive scorer.
  • Others who had good camps: Kailer Yamamoto didn’t have a lot of finish but he played well and showed his usual determination on the forecheck. Ethan Bear didn’t get as much time in the feature offensive role, but played well at evens and on the PK.
  • Biggest organizational worry: None really, the goaltending wasn’t strong but these are early days and the coverage was an issue in the two losses.

TRAINING CAMP ROSTER 2018

Darnell Nurse (unsigned) and Ryan Mantha (injury) are not attending camp, along with a long list of college and Euro players who aren’t available to Edmonton this season. There are 62 names.

THE CERTAIN OILERS

  • Darnell Nurse’s absence from this list is a big damned deal. I cannot imagine the Oilers organization starting the season without him but this is happening and that means all kinds of things may come into play. I’m hopeful Oilers fans continue to support Nurse.
  • Peter Chiarelli talked about waiver pickups a few weeks ago, the Nurse situation likely increases the chance of at least one player being plucked from the names heading to the minors.
  • The forward group looks mostly set, although many have suggested the PTO additions of Scottie Upshall and Alex Chiasson may mean deals that could involve Jujhar Khaira or Zack Kassian. There appears to be a lot in play.

UNCERTAIN OILERS

  • All kinds of names are in play now, this is going to be a fairly wide open camp. Nurse’s name not on the list means there’s an increased chance of eight defensemen in my opinion.
  • The names on this list are a strong training camp and preseason away from making the big team. If any of these players spike in the next two weeks, they’ll be flying to Cologne.

THE DISTANT BELLS

  • Lots of names on this list we didn’t expect, Edmonton invited the NHL team, the AHL team and many who will play with the ECHL team.
  • Notable additions include John McFarland, who was once a highly regarded prospect.
  • Does the absence of Nurse project names like Caleb Jones and William Lagesson into the NHL conversation? Seems a stretch but the next two weeks will tell us everything.

PROJECTED OILERS ROSTER OPENING NIGHT 2018-19

  • Goalies: Cam Talbot, Mikko Koskinen
  • Left Defense: Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Kris Russell, Jakub Jerabek
  • Right Defense: Adam Larsson, Matt Benning, Evan Bouchard
  • Center: Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Strome, Kyle Brodziak
  • Left Wing: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Milan Lucic, Jujhar Khaira, Drake Caggiula, Scottie Upshall
  • Right Wing: Ty Rattie, Tobias Rieder, Jesse Puljujarvi, Zack Kassian, Pontus Aberg
  • IR: Andrej Sekera

I’m listing Nurse on the opening night roster because the alternative might signal the long train to nowhere for management and coaching. Surely their own sense of survival compels them to action. Is signing Nurse the only option? More in a minute.

PROJECTED CONDORS ROSTER OPENING NIGHT 2018-19

  • Goalies: Al Montoya, Stuart Skinner, Dylan Wells
  • Left Defense: Kevin Gravel, Keegan Lowe, Caleb Jones, Ryan Stanton
  • Right Defense: Ethan Bear, Logan Day, William Lagesson, Jared Wilson 
  • Center: Cooper Marody, Josh Currie, Brad Malone, Colin Larkin
  • Left Wing: Tyler Benson, Joe Gambardella, Nolan Vesey, Dave Gust, Braden Christoffer, Evan Polei
  • Right Wing: Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Vesel, Mitch Callahan, Patrick Russell

WHAT’S NEXT FOR NURSE?

I think all options are likely to be in play eventually, including a trade. I’m surprised it has reached this point but there can be a quick resolution and all will be forgotten. My hope is that the fans (most of them) side with Nurse on this and that could happen (management is wildly unpopular). I do think Peter Chiarelli’s survival instincts could kick in and a quick trade is possible. For me, this is the first indication that Nurse may not be perceived as part of the McDavid cluster. Speculative on my part but there are ways to get this contract done and the Oilers are digging in. You never know about relationships. My bet is this gets done by Monday but the fact it hasn’t been completed is a tell.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we have a full boat and lots to talk about. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. We moved him up a day, in time to chat about Humboldt, the Nurse contract and NHL training camps getting underway.
  • Sam Carchidi, Philadelphia Inquirer/Daily News. We’ll talk about the Flyers and the season to come.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Frank was part of the Humboldt story from the beginning, we’ll chat about last night and a prairie community trying to heal.
  • Simon Boisvert, Prospect Insider. Simon drops by to give us his opinion about the young Oilers hopefuls and who is poised to break out.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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  1. ArmchairGM says:

    ArmchairGM: Ok, then try this on for size:

    McDavid + Nugent-Hopkins + Rattie:
    128:49 TOI
    50.19 CF%
    50.00 FF%
    47.95 SF%
    65.00 GF%

    McDavid + Nugent-Hopkins w/o Rattie:
    78:16 TOI
    48.05 CF%
    47.86 FF%
    50.00 SF%
    66.67 GF%

    McDavid + Rattie w/o Nugent-Hopkins
    30:07 TOI
    32.20 CF%
    28.89 FF%
    22.58 SF%
    00.00 GF% (0-5)

    So if Rattie isn’t the drag, who is? McDavid?

    PS. Any guesses who the LW was in the 30:07 RNH was missing?

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    ArmchairGM,

    – my guess is cags?

    The correct answer is… Draisaitl.

  2. frjohnk says:

    The only reason the Oilers are playing hardball is because they have no room. If the Oilers had the cap room, they would have signed Nurse long ago to a long term deal. Management see him part of the core.

    Its unfortunate that the overpays Oilers management gave to some of the bottom roster players could actually lead to leaving one of our best defenders off the team to start the year.

    But this is the Oilers. I shouldnt be surprised

  3. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I’m happy with the range they’re negotiating in ($3M range) and believe Nurse will be with the team on opening night. Chiarelli should have played this hardball with Draisaitl and Caggiula.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Spector reported this morning that they are $200K – $300K apart on a two year bridge.

    He also mentioned that there are no talks scheduled today.

    With that said, with that small of a gap, presumably this gets done before too much camp is missed, right?

  5. flyfish1168 says:

    JMHO. We can not loose Nurse. He is our only real tough SOB d-man that can scare other teams players around our crease. Losing him would be tragic in my opinion.

  6. Side says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I’m happy with the range they’re negotiating in ($3M range) and believe Nurse will be with the team on opening night. Chiarelli should have played this hardball with Draisaitl and Caggiula.

    I wish he didn’t play ball with Caggiula at all…

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    It was very nice to see Jones, Marody, Benson and Bouchard have nice rookie camps, however, at the same time, that was all very much expected and, as I won’t put more than a minutia of stock in to Stuart Skinner having a tough 3 periods scattered over 2 games, I won’t put too much stock in to these players having plus camps.

    Jones was fantastic in both games but, as LT stated and I have numerous times over the last few days, he was excellent last year too (not quite as good) and still had a tough year as a rookie pro.

    These games mean little as far as evaluation for NHL readiness – we need to get past the first 3-4 exhibition games before we can start to make any sort of evaluation on a guy like Jones being ready for real NHL games.

  8. flyfish1168 says:

    frjohnk:
    The only reason the Oilers are playing hardball is because they have no room. If the Oilers had the cap room, they would have signed Nurse long ago to a long term deal.Management see him part of the core.

    Its unfortunate that the overpays Oilers management gave to some of the bottom roster players could actually lead to leaving one of our best defenders off the team to start the year.

    But this is the Oilers.I shouldnt be surprised

    My problem with PC is he never learned his lesson from beantown.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    I felt that McLeod got progressively better in each of the three games and, in the last game, we could see what type of game this guy may bring if he is every able to put it together.

    A very nice prospect but I think he’s going to be a bit of a project – a project worth investing in.

    This could be a very nice player in 3-5 years.

  10. leadfarmer says:

    Chias two jobs this offseason were to sign Nurse and bring in cheap depth.
    How is he making it this hard?
    How is 200-300k worth this. If it’s cap related then it’s Chias stupidity for his other offseason signings that he can’t find 200k in cap space.
    Oh well if we start season without Nurse that means season is probably done by thanksgiving and we get rid of Chia and TMac

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    I can understand trading Kassian away for some cap room, especially considering the two forward PTOs that may be able to do a similar type job.

    I cannot understand trading Khaira away – young, nice up arrows from last year, a very good skill-set and, importantly, $675K.

    What would be the point of trading Khaira? It doesn’t open up cap space nor do i think a better player is returned.

  12. ArmchairGM says:

    I know its early, but I’d be tempted to move Benson and Jones up into the Uncertain Oilers category going into TC. A Nurse signing would drop Jones back down, as would a good camp from Aberg / Upshall drop Benson back to the Distant Bells list. I’d rather these guys get 20+ minutes in Bakersfield than 4th line / 7th D duty in the NHL this year.

  13. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – The issue with Nurse is that he’s not as good as a healthy Klef or Larsson, but given inflation: his comps suggest a long-term deal more than theirs

    – That’s a problem IMO: paying lesser D more than established D long-term

    – I think there is D trade that has to happen before next year, else:

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Russel-Bouchard

    – Maybe Nurse-Benning are a thing this year as 2nd Pair: but if Jones and Bear are ready for 3rd line minutes next year after a year in AHL, and you have to assume Bouchard is ready next year:

    – that’s too many D with promise but no track record to be breaking at the same time

    – Big years for a lot of the D who have been on the team a few years…

  14. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I can understand trading Kassian away for some cap room, especially considering the two forward PTOs that may be able to do a similar type job.

    I cannot understand trading Khaira away – young, nice up arrows from last year, a very good skill-set and, importantly, $675K.

    What would be the point of trading Khaira?It doesn’t open up cap space nor do i think a better player is returned.

    I agree. He has more upside that can help this team on a cap friendly contract .

  15. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I’m happy with the range they’re negotiating in ($3M range) and believe Nurse will be with the team on opening night. Chiarelli should have played this hardball with Draisaitl and Caggiula.

    And Kassian, and Russell, and…

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t imagine Nurse will be traded – not over a 2nd contract discrepancy.

    These things happen and Nurse is an important piece of the future – Chiarelli knows this.

    A deal will get done.

  17. Justenvogt says:

    Nurse, Theadore, Morrissey, Nylander…all in the same boat.

    With respect to Morrissey, Jets being a good team and having a competent GM not withstanding, if you look at Wpg’s left side their situation is actually much worse than ours positionally.

    Being from Winnipeg I can tell you it sure doesn’t seem like Morrissey’s absence is being treated like a big red flag like Nurse’s and nobody is saying he isn’t very much a core guy. Most here believe it’s simply all about the $$$. Jet’s don’t have much of it to go around (Laine/Connor upcoming) and these RFA’s want their money NOW!

  18. Mikeoes says:

    So Chiarelli bought out Gryba costing us $300k(same amount nurse camp is asking for according to Spector) for no fu$king reason at all other then to “give the guy a chance somewhere else” and now we are at risk of losing and/or spoiling our relationship with Nurse? At the very least, having him miss some camp? Where were Chiarellis balls when dealing with Drais overpay, or caggiula, or Koskinen, or Russell?? Why now does he start to be like Yzerman when we could have used that so long ago…..!!!!!!??? Nurse is NOT the hill we die on for frigs sake

  19. jtblack says:

    Given the Oilers lack of success with 2nd round picks; this Camp seems to be very positive for Benson and McLeod.

    I would dare to say, that most 2nd rounders who make the NHL take 3 – 5 years to do so .. So these 2 have some time …

    I could see Benson spending this year in the AHL and making the jump to the NHL next year. McLeod is obviously a long way from being on the NHL roster.

    Good Arrows for our 2nd Rounders.

    Thanks for all the update from everybody.

  20. Jaxon says:

    They’re digging in their heels over $200-300K!?!?!?! WTF. If you can fit it under cap just pay the $300K. $300K to Nurse isn’t where you paid too much. There are many other candidates they should have been tougher negotiators with. Lucic, I get, it was an open market, they had just lost Hall, and other teams were interested. Shitty contract at his age, but fine, it had to be done. Russell, on the other hand, was paid way too much and given too many years and too many restrictive clauses. There were many other D that summer who were just as good and went for less without clauses. They could have played hardball there and let him walk if it came to it. Kassian was another overpay, I would say it was a slight overpay and I was less worried about that at the time after his great playoff performance. Fast forward to this summer and they buyout Gryba at a cost of how much?!?! Oh yeah, $300K. What is the gap between Nurse’s ask and the team’s offer? Huh. They could have kept him, he only has a $900K cap hit, or sent him to the minors. They could have paid much less for Koskinen, who is a huge unknown quantity. A very similar player (maybe better), Francouz, went to Colorado for $690K! But they paid him $2.5M and appear to be pretty much handing him the backup job. Lehtonen, Pavalec, and Mason still don’t have contracts. This summer there have been many goalies who signed for less with a better proven NHL track record. Chad Johnson $1.75M, Andrew Hammond $0.65M, Michael Hutchinson $1.3M, Jonathan Bernier signed for $3M, Anton Khudobin $2.5M, Petr Mrazek $1.5M, Jaroslav Halak $2.75M, Cam Ward $3M, Robin Lehner $1.5M. I’m not sure all of these were UFAs signing with new teams, but paying $2.5M to an unknown with very little NHL experience is baffling. Even burying Montoya costs them $37,500 in cap. Paying Caggiula $1.5M for a player they probably should have let go if he didn’t want to sign in the $1M range was another misfire. He is a drag on this team but they don’t see it that way. That is where they should have played hardball. With a player they should be willing to lose. They have camp invites who could do Caggiula’s job for less money. Benning may have been a very slight overpay (maybe 1.75 instead of 1.9?) but I don’t mind that as he is probably their #2RD this year. Plus, I wouldn’t expect Chia to play hardball with a kid who is basically family (Chiarelli and the Bennings have quite the history together going back to the mid-eighties when Chiarelli and Matt’s uncle played together at Harvard and then hired his other uncle to be his Assistant GM for eight or so years). Strome’s $3.1M contract? I’m okay with it but they could have played hardball with him and I’d be more okay with squeezing Strome than Nurse. At this point Nurse is an essential part of the team’s core and future. Strome, not so much. Just pay him the $300K difference and be done with it you asshat! An extra $300K to Nurse isn’t whats going to ruin the Oilers’ cap room.

  21. tileguy says:

    7 exhibition games between now and the end of the month. I hope lines and pairings are set by game 5 with only one or two bubble boys left in camp, not 20 games into the regular season as we are accustomed to. It would be nice to hit the ice running for a change.

  22. PinkSocks says:

    My money is on Nurse being signed on the weekend. Chia finally playing a bit of hardball is a pleasant change. It’s quite humorous though, negotiating over the final $200k on a contract while giving $2.5m to an unproven backup goaltender. Really think Koskinen wouldn’t have taken $2m?

    I like Chia in his management of the scouting and player development, he has made great strides there for the organization. Someone else not named MacT or Lowe should be stepping in however to handle the negotiation process.

  23. Mikeoes says:

    Jaxon,

    Couldn’t agree more! Chiarellies priorities seem all messed up and ass backwards

  24. PinkSocks says:

    Jaxon,

    Well said.

  25. Bulging Twine says:

    Dave Manson is an assistant coach in Bakersfield. Did I know this already?

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    I find it very unlikely that Chia is holding this up because of 300k. It doesn’t make sense. Why would he suddenly become a tough negotiator, when his future is on the line? There has to be more to it.

  27. Mikeoes says:

    PinkSocks,

    Its nice Chia can play hardball, but why does he start now? Where was this when it really mattered,? Like with Russell, Lucic, Caggiula, even Draisaitl (love him but 7-7.5 mill would have been a deal, 8.5 is just OK. Yzerman got better deal with Kucherov comparing stats and if the leafs get home town discounts from nylander matthews and marner, I will barf with envy and disgust

  28. Kraz says:

    I know its the first day of camp and this is off topic but I am starting to look into real estate in Edmonton and any advice I can get is helpful.

    I am looking for a place to buy in Edmonton. So far I have looked at some houses in south Edmonton and close to southgate. I am also interested in the Summerside area and also liked a condo that I got to view in Rossdale down in the river valley.

    If anyone has some tips and or advice about living in these areas or even some other areas that would be worth my time it would be greatly appreciated. My family lives in South Edmonton so thats why I like it there and I work in northern BC so commuting isn’t an issue for me.

  29. Jaxon says:

    flyfish1168: My problem with PC is he never learned his lesson from beantown.

    ^^^^^^Yup. This!

    Also, when we talk about Chiarelli’s success in Boston is it really his success? This from Jeff Gorton’s wiki page:

    “In his time as interim general manager of the Bruins, Gorton most notably ran the 2006 NHL Entry Draft which produced for the Bruins Phil Kessel, Milan Lucic and Brad Marchand. At the same draft, Gorton traded goaltender Andrew Raycroft to the Toronto Maple Leafs for goalie prospect Tuukka Rask.[4]. Raycroft was coming off a subpar season and his two-year stint in Toronto would prove disastrous, with the Leafs buying him out of the final year of his contract.[5] Rask, meanwhile, had been selected in the first round of the 2005 NHL Entry Draft by Toronto and went on to win the Vezina Trophy as the league’s best goaltender in the 2013-14 season.[6]. On July 1, Gorton signed Zdeno Chara and Marc Savard as free agents. Chara would go on to win the Norris trophy in 2009 as the NHL’s best defenseman while under the contract signed by Gorton.”

    I think Gorton may be more responsible for Cup win than Chiarelli.
    Already Bruins when Chia took over: Bergeron, Krecji, Horton, Thomas.
    Gorton acquisitions: Kessel, Lucic, Marchand, Rask, Chara, Savard
    Chiarelli Acquisistions: signed Wheeler then traded him for Peverley, traded for Ference, traded Hendricks for Boychuk, traded for Recchi, traded for Kaberle, signed Michael Ryder, traded for Seidenberg, traded for Chris Kelly. Some good players but I don’t think any of these guys are considered the core. Kessel got him Seguin and Hamilton, but Seguin got him nothing long-term and Hamilton’s return we’re still waiting on, which is currently the potential of Forsbaka-Karlsson and Senyshyn.

    I’m a huge fan of what Gorton did in the draft this year: Vitali Kravtsov, K’Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist, and Jacob Ragnarsson – all players I had ranked pretty high based on production. And one of the best goalies in the draft in Olof Lindbom. They decided to blow things up and rebuild mid-season and aggressively added draft picks and young players. Gorton may be a future GM of the year.

  30. cowboy bill says:

    I’ll just say that it makes me happy that Chtarelli is finally sticking to his guns , it should have happened sooner. But here we are and Nurse’s agent is quibbling over chump change just because he can , while it’s clear his client just wants to play hockey ..

    Who’s going to blink first ? It sounds like Chiarelli believes they have offer Nurse a fair deal and he probably has .

  31. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m absolutely shocked people suddenly think Chia is playing hardball. It defies logic. Maybe Nurse is insisting on a one- year deal. I find that a much more reasonable explanation than Chia suddenly balking at 300k. If the stumbling block really is 300k the deal will be done by Monday.

  32. Coiler says:

    Chiarelli does not know how to manage players and their cap hits. That’s the simple truth. He did it before in Boston and that was one of the reasons he was turfed. The same is occurring here as well.
    Being generous with the $$$ with Lucic, Gryba, Koskinen, et al and being cheap with a young, core member of the team is a travesty.
    Regression seems to be Chiarelli’s MO; How can I screw this team up with every passing year. And this summer, despite not doing anything in terms of a rash trade, he’s managing just that.

    Shame.

  33. Darth Tu says:

    Here’s a thought – and probably a ridiculous one – would it work to put Sekera on LTIR, freeing up his cap hit for the year, then sign Nurse after day 1 of the season?

    I love Sekera but how likely is it that he’s going to return and be worth $5.5 million per year?

  34. Jordan says:

    If I were the one negotiating for Nurse, I would be pushing hard to ensure that if I was taking a two year deal, that the last number on that deal we as high as I can make it.

    That guarantees a higher qualifying offer, and sets a higher baseline for any deal that is pushed to arbitration.

    If that 300K a year is all on the second year, that’s another 600K that would need to be added to the QO and the baseline the agent would have to start from in arbitration.

    Likewise, if I’m Chia, I’d be working my bag off to make sure that doesn’t happen.

    People talk about the money like it’s no big deal, but you realize you’re talking about enough money to buy a house with no mortgage, right?

    IMO, the Agent and Chia are both doing their jobs, whether this happens sooner or later, it doesn’t change Nurse’s true value. I’m not worried about this, or about the Oilers season as a result of this.

    As I said earlier this summer, I’d be talking to Dorion and seeing if there’s a trade option for Karlsson, just to put pressure on the Nurse camp. Maybe there is actually a deal to be made there, especially if Nurse’s Agent will not negotiate.

    We’ll see how blinks first when the contract details are released after he’s signed.

    If he’s traded, we can evaluate the value Chia gets for him by the return.

    The mistake in this is reacting to it and letting one’s emotions carry you away from the palace of rational thought.

  35. Bank Shot says:

    Regarding Nurse:

    There are a lot of RFAs sitting around this year without contracts right now.

    Wood
    Nylander
    Nurse
    Morrisey
    Ritchie
    Theodore
    Sam Reinhart

    This is a somewhat normal process. The number of guys without contracts seems a little high this year, but maybe its just because this is the first year I have been paying attention.

    Oilers GMs of the past just gave their RFAs everything they wanted and more.

  36. leadfarmer says:

    Darth Tu:
    Here’s a thought – and probably a ridiculous one – would it work to put Sekera on LTIR, freeing up his cap hit for the year, then sign Nurse after day 1 of the season?

    I love Sekera but how likely is it that he’s going to return and be worth $5.5 million per year?

    That’s what I think is going to happen. Sekera on LTIR will be at least 3 mil in cap savings and probably more (any return before february is unlikely and yeah Karlsson was out only 10 weeks but it doesn’t seem like Sekera is a quick healer). So Aug-January is 6 months

  37. Richard S.S. says:

    Is October 3rd a significant day? What’s the best use of the Sekera LTIR? How does Chiarelli sign Nurse, sign a PTO or two and acquire another D (without weakening the Team)? It’s easy if you think about it.

  38. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Side: I wish he didn’t play ball with Caggiula at all…

    Agreed. Pulju’s going to play with Caggiula & Strome and head office will be genuinely curious as to why he doesn’t break out.

  39. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Spector reported this morning that they are $200K – $300K apart on a two year bridge.

    He also mentioned that there are no talks scheduled today.

    With that said, with that small of a gap, presumably this gets done before too much camp is missed, right?

    10% is a small gap? If you are negotiating with your boss for your salary and you ask for $105K and he offere $95K, is that small?

    Especially when he offered a doofus worth $35K, $70K, and another doofus worth $35K, $50K.

    And another worker doing the same work at an inferior level is getting $133K. Nurse’s ask is still a 25% discount compared to this guy.

    What is different about Nurse that he is being singled out for different treatment, different from other first round picks, different from other D, and different from the bottom of the roster players.

  40. anjinsan says:

    Nurse is a thoroughbred and has improved every year. He’s probably the best D.

    So Chiarelli trades away the Hall, who the Oilers trusted to house Connor, and now they’re (apparently) dissing Nurse, Connor’s good buddy, like Nurse should be the one talking one for the team?

    This is the opposite of building around Connor. Don’t anyone be surprise if Connor reveals he’s been noticing (of course he’s been noticing).

  41. Bob Arctor says:

    Kraz:
    I am looking for a place to buy in Edmonton. So far I have looked at some houses in south Edmonton and close to southgate. I am also interested in the Summerside area and also liked a condo that I got to view in Rossdale down in the river valley.

    Which neighborhoods near Southgate did you view homes in? I’m pretty familiar with the surrounding area. Investment property or home for yourself/family?

  42. Woogie63 says:

    Relax on Nurse,

    very normal for lack of time to be used like a hammer in negotiations.

    If Nurse has an offer for $3.5M in his hands. $42,500/game.

    $200,000 is eaten up by game five’s salary.

    I would suggest Nurse’s agent changed his bargaining after the Sekera injury.

  43. texmex says:

    Sitting down with Peter Chiarelli today. No progress on Nurse contract. Darnell flew back to Toronto last night.

    Per John Shannon

  44. 106 and 106 says:

    “62 lines on a page”

    SAY WHAT?

    Anton Slepyshev AND Bogdan Yakimov are on the list to attend!

    Welcome to camp, boys!

  45. Side says:

    godot10: 10% is a small gap? If you are negotiating with your boss for your salary and you ask for $105K and he offere $95K, is that small?

    Especially when he offered a doofus worth $35K, $70K, and another doofus worth $35K, $50K.

    And another worker doing the same work at an inferior level is getting $133K.Nurse’s ask is still a 25% discount compared to this guy.

    What is different about Nurse that he is being singled out for different treatment, different from other first round picks, different from other D, and different from the bottom of the roster players.

    You’re basically describing any negotiation process, ever.

    One party asks for more than they want, the other side asks for less, the true value is somewhere in the middle unless one side caves to the other.

    This is not an abnormal, shocking thing.

  46. Fraktal says:

    106 and 106,

    They’re listed under “Oilers Not Attending Camp”, not the regular roster.

  47. dustrock says:

    texmex:
    Sitting down with Peter Chiarelli today. No progress on Nurse contract.Darnell flew back to Toronto last night.

    Per John Shannon

    Nurse isn’t even in Edmonton? Hoo boy.

    It’s okay guys, the last time this happened, with Ryan Smyth, we all knew there was no way they were going to trade Smytty over $300K right guys? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

  48. bcoil says:

    And pray tell are you not assigning any responsibility for this impasse on Nurses Camp???? His Agent is a Walsh want to be and loves being confrontational … I would like you to spend some time digging a little deeper into this agent and his negotiation style instead of assuming it is always Perter C’s fault

  49. dustrock says:

    Kraz:
    I know its the first day of camp and this is off topic but I am starting to look into real estate in Edmonton and any advice I can get is helpful.

    I am looking for a place to buy in Edmonton. So far I have looked at some houses in south Edmonton and close to southgate. I am also interested in the Summerside area and also liked a condo that I got to view in Rossdale down in the river valley.

    If anyone has some tips and or advice about living in these areas or even some other areas that would be worth my time it would be greatly appreciated. My family lives in South Edmonton so thats why I like it there and I work in northern BC so commuting isn’t an issue for me.

    I’m a South Side boy so I’m pretty biased but it is clearly absolutely the best. 😉

    I agree that it depends what you’re looking for.

    There is a fairly high volume of condos for sale right now as I believe we probably overbuilt for the population. Less maintenance (by you) with the condo, but you would be paying monthly condo fees on top of your mortgage and property taxes. I have seen monthly condo fees around $500-600 per month, which seems pretty crazy to me.

    If you want to live central, you’re going to pay more, and the houses will be older. Might get a bigger lot, but you might want to think about whether you’d need to do renovations. Or you might not care about the late 70s decor.

    A place like Summerside would likely have newer homes, if that’s an interest for you, and it might be more affordable overall. However, you’re on the edge of the city (well, it used to be the edge of the city!), so if you’re someone who usually does stuff in central Edmonton, you’d have more of a commute.

    If you find a place around the LRT line, it’s great for going from 23 Avenue in the south to Clareview in the north.

    If you have dogs, you might be looking at how many green spaces/off-leash parks are around. If you’re thinking kids in the future, or you have kids now, then it’s schools and amenities.

  50. flea says:

    I wonder if the Nurse contract has to do with Sekera’s LTIR. If the oilers can get to day 1 of the season under the cap then they get full relief for Sekera. If they are over the cap at the end of camp, they only get relief for the amount they are over. So yes, they could sign Darnell to a long term deal but it would cost them cap space throughout the season. My guess is they want to have room to also sign one of their PTOs, Darnell’s bridge and still be cap compliant. The agent is probably pushing back saying they aren’t offering full value.

    I’m sure it’ll be done soon.

  51. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Time to see what Jerabek is made of!

    So many RFAs unsigned, we’re ok.

  52. godot10 says:

    cowboy bill:
    I’ll just say that it makes me happy that Chtarelli is finally sticking to his guns , it should have happened sooner. But here we are and Nurse’s agent is quibbling over chump change just because he can , while it’s clear his client just wants to play hockey ..

    Who’s going to blink first ?It sounds like Chiarelli believes they have offer Nurse a fair deal and he probably has .

    There is no reason for Nurse or Morrissey to blink until Theodore signs.

  53. Darth Tu says:

    dustrock,

    Or you’re a hipster like me and you want as much of the 60s/70s decor to be intact…

  54. Spydyr says:

    “On a two-year bridge deal, gap remains at an estimated $200-300 K per season.”

    Chia pisses away 300k in cap space to allow Gryba to sign with another team now he is not signing Nurse because of 200-300 K?

    Asinine ,the Oilers are truly dysfunctional.

  55. godot10 says:

    dustrock: Nurse isn’t even in Edmonton?Hoo boy.

    It’s okay guys, the last time this happened, with Ryan Smyth, we all knew there was no way they were going to trade Smytty over $300K right guys?Anyone?Anyone?Bueller?

    Smyth was over $100K on a $5 million something contract.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk:
    The only reason the Oilers are playing hardball is because they have no room. If the Oilers had the cap room, they would have signed Nurse long ago to a long term deal.Management see him part of the core.

    Its unfortunate that the overpays Oilers management gave to some of the bottom roster players could actually lead to leaving one of our best defenders off the team to start the year.

    But this is the Oilers.I shouldnt be surprised

    The Oilers could sign Nurse to a long term deal at $5M (or more) today with no issue. They can go over the cap by 10% in the offseason and they can place Sekera on LTIR on the last day of training camp (prior to the 1st day of the season) and get cap compliant.

    In this case, Sekera would be “deemed replaced” and the amount of LTIR cushion the Oilers would have would be capped at the amount they are over on that day (apx $1M on a $5M cap hit for Nurse).

    This would reduce the amount they are able to go over the cap via the LTIR cushion vis-a-vis being cap compliant on day 1 and then placing Sekera on LTIR.

    For example, if they signed Nurse to a $3.5M bridge today and were $500K under the cap on day 1, then place Sekera on LTIR, they would be able to add players that take them to $84M.

    Of course, as I’ve posited many times, using any LTIR relief is risky, in particular if Sekera is coming off LTIR at any point this year.

    In addition, if they are using LTIR relief in the fist scenario and the cushion to go over the cap, they will always be above the adjusted accrual limit and therefore accumulating zero cap space during the season and not able to add any cap hit during the season without disposing of an equal amount.

    Point being: although using LTIR on the off-season is far from ideal, they absolutely have the ability to sign Nurse to a long term contract today.

  57. godot10 says:

    bcoil:
    And pray tell are you not assigning any responsibility for this impasse on Nurses Camp????His Agent is a Walsh want to be and loves being confrontational …I would like you to spend some timedigging a little deeper into this agent and his negotiation style instead of assuming it is always Perter C’s fault

    It is not Nurse’s fault because he is being treated differently by the OIlers, in every category of recent contracts….first round draft picks, defensemen, and differently than the overpays to bottom of the roster players.

  58. Ryan says:

    Woogie63:
    Relax on Nurse,

    very normal for lack of time to be used like a hammer in negotiations.

    If Nurse has an offer for $3.5M in his hands.$42,500/game.

    $200,000 is eaten up by game five’s salary.

    I would suggest Nurse’s agent changed his bargaining after the Sekera injury.

    Sekera’s previous injury greatly IMO impacted the Russell overpay too.

  59. Oilman99 says:

    Spydyr:
    “On a two-year bridge deal, gap remains at an estimated $200-300 K per season.”

    Chia pisses away 300k in cap space to allow Gryba to sign with another team now he is not signing Nurse because of 200-300 K?

    Asinine ,the Oilers are truly dysfunctional.

    The dysfunctional piece in this puzzle is Nurse’s agent, the price you pay for hiring a guy with insufficient experience.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu:
    Here’s a thought – and probably a ridiculous one – would it work to put Sekera on LTIR, freeing up his cap hit for the year, then sign Nurse after day 1 of the season?

    I love Sekera but how likely is it that he’s going to return and be worth $5.5 million per year?

    There are various ways to use Sekera’s LTIR relief to allow for a Nurse signing of any reasonable amount.

    As per my previous post, they could sign Nurse today.

    In your scenario, signing Nurse after the season has two issues:

    1) Nurse misses all of camp which is terrible; and
    2) Unless they use up some or all of the existing $4M in cap space they have, there is no real benefit to waiting until day 1 to sign that contract than doing it today – the LTIR relief cushion to go over the cap would be the same.

    Also, it doesn’t matter if Reggie is with $5.5M or not – if he is ready to play, that is “deemed able to play” the team is obligated to activate him and the ability to go over $79.5M disappears, the team would have accrued zero cap space and would need to dispose of cap hit in order to activate him (which they’d be obligated to do).

    I’m guessing the team is able to “find a way” not to activate Sekera, however, the league has started to investigate these matters more and more and, with our luck, the Oilers would be the first team to lose the investigation result.

  61. Spydyr says:

    Oilman99: The dysfunctional piece in this puzzle is Nurse’s agent, the price you pay for hiring a guy with insufficient experience.

    So you are saying it is Nurse’s agents fault the Oiler have bungled their cap space?

  62. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    It was very nice to see Jones, Marody, Benson and Bouchard have nice rookie camps, however, at the same time, that was all very much expected and, as I won’t put more than a minutia of stock in to Stuart Skinner having a tough 3 periods scattered over 2 games, I won’t put too much stock in to these players having plus camps.

    Jones was fantastic in both games but, as LT stated and I have numerous times over the last few days, he was excellent last year too (not quite as good) and still had a tough year as a rookie pro.

    These games mean little as far as evaluation for NHL readiness – we need to get past the first 3-4 exhibition games before we can start to make any sort of evaluation on a guy like Jones being ready for real NHL games.

    The whole purpose was to show that they deserve to be included seriously at main camp, job well done by all four guys.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    8 X $9.85M for Seguin with huge signing bonus/low salary years.

  64. Ryan says:

    Kraz:
    I know its the first day of camp and this is off topic but I am starting to look into real estate in Edmonton and any advice I can get is helpful.

    I am looking for a place to buy in Edmonton. So far I have looked at some houses in south Edmonton and close to southgate. I am also interested in the Summerside area and also liked a condo that I got to view in Rossdale down in the river valley.

    If anyone has some tips and or advice about living in these areas or even some other areas that would be worth my time it would be greatly appreciated. My family lives in South Edmonton so thats why I like it there and I work in northern BC so commuting isn’t an issue for me.

    Advice? To say it’s a buyer’s market would be a gross understatement. There’s record inventory listed right now from what I hear.

    Negotiate. Ask for the home seller to throw in a new car and season’s tickets to the Oilers. 🙂

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: That’s what I think is going to happen.Sekera on LTIR will be at least 3 mil in cap savings and probably more (any return before february is unlikely and yeah Karlsson was out only 10 weeks but it doesn’t seem like Sekera is a quick healer).So Aug-January is 6 months

    As per my last few post, no, there is not necessarily “$3M in cap savings” – that’s not how LTIR works.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Is October 3rd a significant day?What’s the best use of the Sekera LTIR?How does Chiarelli sign Nurse, sign a PTO or two and acquire another D (without weakening the Team)?It’s easy if you think about it.

    There is no good way to use LTIR relief and if Sekera is going to come back at all this year , its very very risky to use it at all, however, the way to get the most LTIR cushion, that is. the way to go over the cap by the most is to be as close to the cap as possible without going over on day 1 of the season and then place Sekera on LTIR (the team would be able to go over the cap by $5.5M less any cap space they had on day 1).

    I’ve been trying not to post this here over the last week or so but I’m going to now:

    https://www.coppernblue.com/2018/9/5/17821284/lets-discuss-ltir-a-puzzle-of-misinformation

  67. Kraz says:

    Bob Arctor,

    Malmo plains and Rideau park. And it’s for me to live in right now and have the potential to have kids in a few years but I’m pretty keen on the place being a good investment to

  68. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Now isn’t that a kick in the teeth. I can totally see that happening (the Oilers being the first team to be pulled up about an IR infraction). I thought there may have been a way of burying Sekera on LTIR for the full season, even if he reached “health enough to play” levels before it’s over.

    Agreed as well regarding the camp, I don’t want Nurse to miss more than a day. If the cap situation allows Nurse to sign a 1-2 year bridge at 3.2 to 3.5 mill I’d say let’s go for it (although that’s over my prediction for what his new contract would be).

  69. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Reaaaaaallly hope Karlsson doesn’t go to SJ.

    Remember when the team got better in the summer of 2016 ugh

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    flea:
    I wonder if the Nurse contract has to do with Sekera’s LTIR. If the oilers can get to day 1 of the season under the cap then they get full relief for Sekera. If they are over the cap at the end of camp, they only get relief for the amount they are over. So yes, they could sign Darnell to a long term deal but it would cost them cap space throughout the season. My guess is they want to have room to also sign one of their PTOs, Darnell’s bridge and still be cap compliant. The agent is probably pushing back saying they aren’t offering full value.

    I’m sure it’ll be done soon.

    Yes, they can sign Nurse long term today and use off-season LTIR to get cap compliant, you are correct. You are also correct that this provides less LTIR relief than be compliant on day one, being close to the cap and then placing Nurse on LTIR.

    At the same time, I think they can bridge Nurse and sign a PTO player to a contract and be under the cap.

    Performance bonus cushion aside, they have $4M in cap space with a 22 man roster.

    They can sign Nurse to a bridge for lets say $3.25M leaving them apx $750K.

    Even if Upshall or Alex C. comes in slightly over that amount, their cap hit is not a straight addition to the overall cap hit as it would be in replacement for a player that is re-assigned – for example Yamamoto, or Aberg, or Caggulia or Rattie, etc.

    In fact, replacing a current roster player with the new signing could actually reduce the cap hit.

    Bottom line, I think they could do a bridge and a low end signing with the current cap space unless Nurse’s bridge demands are unreasonable.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: Sekera’s previous injury greatly IMO impacted the Russell overpay too.

    For sure it did but it doesn’t change the fact that Russell was signed on June 23, before the UFA talking period even opened and a full week before the signing period. There was zero reason to sign Russell to such a contract at that time.

    Very similar to there being no reason to give Koskinen $2.5M in May with the amount of goalies to come on the market in a month and a bit.

    Yes, those were the costs to get Russell and Koskinen to sign at those times, however, the option that Chia had that he doesn’t seem to like to use is to walk away.

    He seems to get hard-targeted on a player and will do what he needs to do to “get his man”.

  72. Munny says:

    Nurse’s comps are within the Oilers ability to sign. If he was asking for a similar payday he’d be signed already.

    Fans are constantly harping on Chia for little overpays like the 300k Nurse’s agent is demanding.

    His agent is taking advantage of the pressure on Oiler management and the Sekera injury to get this overpay.

    I am not on Nurse’s side in this negotiation and will be more pissed if his agent has him miss substantial TC time.

  73. McSorley33 says:

    I am not too worried about Nurse, just yet.

    However, I do find it very interesting that out of all the players PC has signed – he has suddenly found CAP religion on – Darnell Nurse.

    If you are our head coach, you probably can’t afford to have a slow start.

    Darnell needs to be in camp.

    ******************************************************************************
    Biggest disappointment. Kirill Maksimov. I’m still a believer but you would have liked to have seen more from the impressive scorer.
    **********************************************
    X 10000

    Wow …some seriously soft competition for him to disappear into.

  74. flyfish1168 says:

    Bank Shot:
    Regarding Nurse:

    There are a lot of RFAs sitting around this year without contracts right now.

    Wood
    Nylander
    Nurse
    Morrisey
    Ritchie
    Theodore
    Sam Reinhart

    This is a somewhat normal process. The number of guys without contracts seems a little high this year, but maybe its just because this is the first year I have been paying attention.

    Oilers GMs of the past just gave their RFAs everything they wanted and more.

    I wonder how many of these players have the same agent as Nurse’s. I don’t mind PC playing hardball, But Nurse is not the player PC should be making an example off. There are a few other players that would have been better to pick on.

  75. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: For sure it did but it doesn’t change the fact that Russell was signed on June 23, before the UFA talking period even opened and a full week before the signing period.There was zero reason to sign Russell to such a contract at that time.

    Very similar to there being no reason to give Koskinen $2.5M in May with the amount of goalies to come on the market in a month and a bit.

    Yes, those were the costs to get Russell and Koskinen to sign at those times, however, the option that Chia had that he doesn’t seem to like to use is to walk away.

    He seems to get hard-targeted on a player and will do what he needs to do to “get his man”.

    I’m not defending Chiarelli here, just making an observation on an element that impacted the Russell contract.

    Chiarrelli gave a premium on term, price, trade protection and even the cherry on top year four signing bonus to make the contract somewhat buyout proof.

    I commented at the time of the signing that it blocked improving the d corps potentially for four years especially on the right side.

    Completely agree that he should have walked away on both guys.

  76. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Kraz,

    Kraz: In terms of buying a home, assuming you hare taking out a mortgage, the main thing is to buy what you can afford.

    – Many people conflate a house with an investment. While over a long-time, your house will likely increase in value more than inflation, you just need to make sure you have down-side so that you aren’t compelled to sell (you lose money on your house only when you sell it when you don’t want to or are forced to).

    – If you are able to wait; wait. If interest rates continue to rise, housing prices will continue to fall

    – I’m not a go to a bunker and buy gold and prepare for nuclear winter, but I tell all my clients that if they can afford to wait even 3-6 months, things will be cheaper.

    – I’ve advocating delaying house purchases for people for at least 18 months now. Everyone who has followed this advice was able to buy a home cheaper than when they they first asked.

    – Buying your primary home isn’t an investment in any circumstance. So your not trying to catch the bottom, and look like a champ. But if you are able to delay the purchase of a home, I would. Not at the expense of having kids out of district, or locked into a rental long-term of course

    – The best piece of real-estate advice I got for buying a home was to buy it in the dead of the winter: less competition, and its probably been sitting there a long time…

    – Good luck. And its your primary residence: you are never going to time a bottom, but understand the trend we are in, buy what you can afford, and be patient if you are able

  77. Ribs says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Time to see what Jerabek is made of!

    I was skimming and read this as

    Time to see what Jerkbag is made of!

    And a new nickname was born!

  78. Melvis says:

    • I mentioned the possibility of Nurse getting shopped a couple of days ago. It was a blue sky moment
    and not taken very seriously. Now it seems to be a thing…Although I’m not keen on an “I told you so
    moment

    • I don’t believe Spector, but if true then $200-300k is peanuts. Split the difference and move on. JFC

    • I used to use planes like some people use cabs, but Nurse’s return trip to Toronto (presumably) isn’t
    exactly a day trip. Not on the eve of training camp.

    • I like Kinger’s bullet point, “to do” list format. If I put dying on my to do list, I’d never get around to it.

  79. Melvis says:

    ☂ Fuckin wordpress. Or Woodguys phone…

  80. Leroy Draisdale says:

    McSorley33,

    The only positive I saw with Maksimov is I noticed he was backchecking really well.

  81. tileguy says:

    Cannot Nurse attend camp without a contract?

  82. jtblack says:

    tileguy:
    Cannot Nurse attend camp without a contract?

    Yes, but from his perspective, why would he?

  83. Ryan says:

    tileguy:
    Cannot Nurse attend camp without a contract?

    He could if he wanted to.

    He has stated that he won’t.

    Currently, he’s back in Churonno.

  84. Melvis says:

    Nurse returns when Peter digs down and finds $660k for Chiasson, since they share the same agent. Another in a series of blue sky moments.

  85. texmex says:

    EK to SJ

  86. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    tileguy,

    The insurance costs would be exorbitant and prohibitive.

    Who pays? Team? Player?

  87. doritogrande says:

    Reaaaaaallly hope Karlsson doesn’t go to SJ.

    Get the lynch mob out.

    https://www.tsn.ca/senators-trade-karlsson-to-sharks-1.1172297

  88. Optimism is like heroin says:

    texmex,

    well that puts sj as favorites in the WC

  89. Ribs says:

    According to Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun, the Senators will receive Chris Tierney, Dylan DeMelo, Josh Norris, Rudolfs Balcers, 2020 first-round pick, a 2019 second-round pick and two conditional picks in return

    Huh.

  90. Ryan says:

    Melvis:
    Nurse returns when Peter digs down and finds $660k for Chiasson, since they share the same agent. Another in a series of blue sky moments.

    I asked OP about Chiasson today in the dying thread.

    I don’t know much about a player like Chiasson, but if you could replace Kassian ($1.95m) for Chiasson at the league minimum, you’d save over a million in cap space with probably not too much of a downgrade.

    Last year Kassian played just over 10 minutes at evens. Chiasson 9.5 minutes.

    As fourth liners, both had poor rels for their team in terms of corsi and fenwick. no surprise

    Kassian had 1.28 p/60 while Chiasson had 1.45

    Kassian played 1:28 on the pk while Chiasson played 1:39

    Chiasson’s GA/60 on was slightly worse though these numbers fluctuate quite a bit from year-to-year.

    Both guys were not the best PK’ers on their respective teams, but could be deployed in that role.

    Kassian has a much worse penalty differential too.

    Kassian had better micro stats

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

  91. PinkSocks says:

    Not a bad return for Dorion and the Sens. Balcers is underrated, Norris is a stud, Demelo and Tierney are both good young players on good contracts. Plus a 1st and a 2nd, and I’m sure those conditional picks are based on SJS success and Karlsson signing an extension. Now if only Dorion could get his draft pick back from Colorado they would be in much better shape.

  92. texmex says:

    Optimism is like heroin,

    Nah. I’ll take Nashville or the Jets

  93. Darth Tu says:

    Karlsson to Sharks.

  94. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    8 X $9.85M for Seguin with huge signing bonus/low salary years.

    Their announcement was pretty entertaining

  95. Ryan says:

    Darth Tu:
    Karlsson to Sharks.

    That’s brutal.

  96. leadfarmer says:

    Ok can we please trade some cap dumps and low end futures for Stone please!!!
    Stone with Drai and Nuge with Mcdavid and JP would be amazing

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLellan is doing his verbal right now. Looking forward to listening when its posted but some tidbits will come out first.

    He has stated that he’ll start with: Nuge/McDavid/Rattie.

    No surprise there – he also said he’d start with Strome as 1RW last year and that lasted two games.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid re-iterates some verbal from earlier this off-season that he hopes Rattie sticks as he’d like less moving around with the lines.

  99. --hudson-- says:

    What would be the Oilers equivalent to the Sharks package traded for Karlsson?
    Yamamoto, Benson, Strome, Benning, 1st and a 2nd or thereabouts?

  100. Melvis says:

    Ryan,

    I get what you’re saying, but I have a bit more faith (or hope) in Kassian then Chiasson at the moment. I just tended to view the Chiasson PTO as one of those off the radar bargaining chips Anton Thun might be employing vis a vis the Nurse deal.

  101. leadfarmer says:

    The Sens emphasis on him not going east smells of we had a better offer but for petty reasons we took a lesser offer to send him west.
    Where Karlsson ends up should be least of their worries.

  102. PinkSocks says:

    –hudson–:
    What would be the Oilers equivalent to the Sharks package traded for Karlsson?
    Yamamoto, Benson, Strome, Benning, 1st and a 2nd or thereabouts?

    I think you are pretty close, yeah. Other than Benning being more valuable than Demelo and our picks likely being a fair bit higher, it’s pretty close.

    Norris = Yamamoto, Tierney = Strome, Balcers = Benson, Demelo < Benning,

    Had we given up that package for Karlsson I might cry.

  103. PinkSocks says:

    leadfarmer:
    The Sens emphasis on him not going east smells of we had a better offer but for petty reasons we took a lesser offer to send him west.
    Where Karlsson ends up should be least of their worries.

    It may be but that’s still a pretty damn good package for the Sens. It would be just too rich though if Wilson flipped him back out east though for an even better return.

  104. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    PinkSocks,

    I could get behind this.

    To the Panthers? ha

  105. LMHF#1 says:

    frjohnk:
    The only reason the Oilers are playing hardball is because they have no room. If the Oilers had the cap room, they would have signed Nurse long ago to a long term deal.Management see him part of the core.

    Its unfortunate that the overpays Oilers management gave to some of the bottom roster players could actually lead to leaving one of our best defenders off the team to start the year.

    But this is the Oilers.I shouldnt be surprised

    Blessing in disguise…they’d have paid him an extra million per if they had room…these guys have no clue.

  106. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s 2018-19 Death March™ is Back!!

    Here’s how you enter:

    Predict the final points total of the Oilers.

    Tie break: how many goals does Yakupov score in the KHL?

    That’s it!

    Contest open until puck drop in Europe.

  107. John Chambers says:

    That is a terrific outcome for Ottawa. They can now focus on playing competitively with the roster they have, but have a volume of players aged 19-25 to form their new core.

    They lack top-end offensive talent, but can draft that player high in 2020 and 2021.

    It’ll be a few seasons of pain, but this trade helps them immensely 3-4 years down the road.

  108. Richard S.S. says:

    The West is getting stronger and stronger, so I wonder if that’s changed Peter Chiarelli’s thinking at all.

  109. digger50 says:

    I will be upset if Kassian becomes a victim of lack of cap space.

    In my opinion, as camp is about to start, he is the best right winger they have. Pair Nuge and Connor together and the other wing needs a big, speedy puck retriever who can own the corners and own the front of the net. We have seen this formula work.

    A couple things have held Kassian back. First his raw, emotional, border on crazy type style when he first joined the Oil. The coach had no like for that player style and no idea how to utilize that energy. Tmac welded Zack to the fourth line and now that is simply how he is viewed by everyone. (Except maybe Peter had different ideas when giving him that contract)

    I have small hope that one of the new coaches can see the potential in Kassian and how to utilize it. Unfortunately he’ll have to get past Tmac unwillingness to change in order to do anything.

    If we do swap out Kassian for Chaison we are likely to see Kassian as a third line winger scoring 15 goals a season while Chaison holds at about 5-6 goals for a short time.

    This is a season we are counting on internal growth, there is certainly some untapped potential sitting there on 4RW, if the coaches can just find a way to use it.

  110. --hudson-- says:

    PinkSocks: I think you are pretty close, yeah.Other than Benning being more valuable than Demelo and our picks likely being a fair bit higher, it’s pretty close.

    Norris = Yamamoto, Tierney = Strome, Balcers = Benson, Demelo < Benning,

    Had we given up that package for Karlsson I might cry.

    I was thinking the same, the Oilers don’t have enough replacements to trade away that kind of youth. If we made that trade today, while our defence looks good, it would be all up to Puljujarvi and McLeod to be the value contracts on the wings in the years to come. Nevermind the cap situation.

    It would be fun to watch for a year though!

  111. Jethro Tull says:

    John Chambers:
    That is a terrific outcome for Ottawa. They can now focus on playing competitively with the roster they have, but have a volume of players aged 19-25 to form their new core.

    They lack top-end offensive talent, but can draft that player high in 2020 and 2021.

    It’ll be a few seasons of pain, but this trade helps them immensely 3-4 years down the road.

    This is a bad outcome for Ottawa.

    A terrific outcome would have been Melnyk selling and Karlsson staying.

    OTT got absolutely robbed. Basically Chris Tierney and a 1st rounder.

    Think “Oilers trade Pronger.”

    You’re post mirrors the optimism that we felt then, trying to put a silver lining on a truly shitty trade.

    This is Hall for Larsson bad.

    Didn’t have SJ in on the hunt – have a similar player type in Burns. Be great if SJ rolled them both against McDavid.

    All boils down to: Who got the best player?

  112. PinkSocks says:

    Jethro Tull: This is a bad outcome for Ottawa.

    A terrific outcome would have been Melnyk selling and Karlsson staying.

    OTT got absolutely robbed.Basically Chris Tierney and a 1st rounder.

    Think “Oilers trade Pronger.”

    You’re post mirrors the optimism that we felt then, trying to put a silver lining on a truly shitty trade.

    This is Hall for Larsson bad.

    Didn’t have SJ in on the hunt – have a similar player type in Burns.Be great if SJ rolled them both against McDavid.

    All boils down to:Who got the best player?

    Except it isn’t Tierney and a first rounder. There are two other picks included, plus a former first round pick in Josh Norris, and an up and coming gem in Balcers.

    Of course the Sharks win now because they got the better player, but this is a team in full rebuild mode who added multiple young assets.

  113. flea says:

    I don’t really get SJ going after Karlsson. They already have one of the best in the game at the same position. You can’t play them both on the top powerplay. Burns is already signed long term. It’s a weird one, but I also think that Ottawa got robbed, they need a first rounder in 2019, and they should’ve gotten a high end defensive prospect as well.

  114. OmJo says:

    Jaxon:
    They’re digging in their heels over $200-300K!?!?!?! WTF. If you can fit it under cap just pay the $300K. $300K to Nurse isn’t where you paid too much. There are many other candidates they should have been tougher negotiators with. Lucic, I get, it was an open market, they just lost Hall, and other teams were interested. Shitty contract at his age, but fine, it had to be done. Russell, on the other hand, was paid way too much and given too many years and too many restrictive clauses. There were many other D that summer who were just as good and went for less without clauses. They could have played hardball there and let him walk if it came to it. Kassian was another overpay, I would say it was a slight overpay and I was less worried about that at the time after his great playoff performance. Fast forward to this summer and they buyout Gryba at a cost of how much?!?! Oh yeah, $300K. What is the gap between Nurse’s ask and the team’s offer? Huh. They could have kept him, he only has a $900K cap hit, or sent him to the minors. They could have paid much less for Koskinen, who is a huge unknown quantity. A very similar player (maybe better) went to Colorado for $690K! But they paid him $2.5M and appear to be pretty much handing him the backup job.Lehtonen, Pavalec, and Mason still don’t have contracts. This summer there have been many goalies who signed for less with a better proven NHL track record. Chad Johnson $1.75M, Andrew Hammond $0.65M, Michael Hutchinson $1.3M, Jonathan Bernier signed for $3M, Anton Khudobin $2.5M, Petr Mrazek $1.5M, Jaroslav Halak $2.75M, Cam Ward $3M, Robin Lehner $1.5M (not sure all of these were UFAs signing with 2 teams, but paying $2.5M to an unknown with very little NHL experience is baffling). Even burying Montoya costs them $37,500 in cap. Paying Caggiula $1.5M for a player they probably should have let go if he didn’t want to sign in the $1M range was another misfire. He is a drag on this team but they don’t see it that way. That is where they should have played hardball. With a player they should be willing to lose. They have camp invites who could do Caggiula’s job for less money. Benning may have been a very slight overpay (maybe 1.75 instead of 1.9?) but I don’t mind that as he is probably their #2D this year. Plus I wouldn’t expect Chia to play hardball with a kid who is basically family (Chiarelli and the Bennings have quite the history together going back to the mid-eighties when Chiarelli and Matt’s uncle played together at Harvard). Strome’s $3.1M contract? I’m okay with it but they could have played hardball with him and I’d be more okay with that. At this point nurse is an essential part of the team’s core and future. Strome, not so much. Just pay him the $300K difference and be done with it you asshat! an extra $300K to Nurse isn’t whats going to ruin the Oilers’ cap room.

    Good post.

  115. PinkSocks says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    PinkSocks,

    I could get behind this.

    To the Panthers? ha

    Per Friedman:

    If Karlsson ends up in the Eastern Conference during the 2018-19 season the Senators receive an additional first round pick from the Sharks no later than 2022.

    That is just downright hilarious.

  116. texmex says:

    Jethro Tull: This is a bad outcome for Ottawa.

    A terrific outcome would have been Melnyk selling and Karlsson staying.

    OTT got absolutely robbed.Basically Chris Tierney and a 1st rounder.

    Think “Oilers trade Pronger.”

    You’re post mirrors the optimism that we felt then, trying to put a silver lining on a truly shitty trade.

    This is Hall for Larsson bad.

    Didn’t have SJ in on the hunt – have a similar player type in Burns.Be great if SJ rolled them both against McDavid.

    All boils down to:Who got the best player?

    Colorado is the real winner today.

  117. godot10 says:

    McSorley33:
    I am not too worried about Nurse, just yet.

    However, I do find it very interesting that out of all the players PC has signed – he has suddenly found CAP religion on – Darnell Nurse.

    The contrast certainly is strong. Black and white.

  118. PinkSocks says:

    flea:
    I don’t really get SJ going after Karlsson. They already have one of the best in the game at the same position. You can’t play them both on the top powerplay. Burns is already signed long term. It’s a weird one, but I also think that Ottawa got robbed, they need a first rounder in 2019, and they should’ve gotten a high end defensive prospect as well.

    Unfortunately the Sens are so bungled right now they can’t chase that 2019 pick they gifted Sakic. However I do believe that on or prior to the deadline, either Duchene or Stone will be unloaded for that 2019 1st rounder.

  119. leadfarmer says:

    flea:
    I don’t really get SJ going after Karlsson. They already have one of the best in the game at the same position. You can’t play them both on the top powerplay. Burns is already signed long term. It’s a weird one, but I also think that Ottawa got robbed, they need a first rounder in 2019, and they should’ve gotten a high end defensive prospect as well.

    When you can get a top 5 difference maker in the game for cheap you do it. Karlsson is much better than Burns in the two way game as well

  120. leadfarmer says:

    PinkSocks: It may be but that’s still a pretty damn good package for the Sens.It would be just too rich though if Wilson flipped him back out east though for an even better return.

    It’s kind of a funny fool me once shame on you, fool me twice you owe me a draft pick

  121. flea says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I agree with you too, my original post wasn’t clear. They would have enough to bridge Nurse and sign a PTO player IF Nurse signs for $3.2/$3.25. Then they can hit day 1 and get full cap relief to bring in a guy like Faulk potentially. But if Nurse wants $3.5, it doesn’t work. They could sign Nurse but not have any flexibility to offer a PTO a contract of $800k without going over the cap. The Oilers probably want the flexibility to sign that PTO player at the right moment, not telling them they have to wait until the start of the season. I seem to remember Kris Versteeg ditching the Oilers after going through TC. Maybe they still feel jilted by that.

    Either way, there is also obviously some bad blood here, because the possibility of a PTO player shouldn’t hold up a contract on a core player.

  122. tileguy says:

    tileguy:
    Cannot Nurse attend camp without a contract?

    So one answer was he could but why should he, as in no pay noplay and one guy says insurance would be prohibitive, c’mon he is going to make north of $3M this year,Katz is worth billions why wouldn’t he for the good of the team attend camp?
    I brought this up last week and nobody touched it with a ten foot pole, and certainly LT dosen’t want us pilling on, but could he possibly not fit in with the rest of the boys? (I won’t say cancer)
    If there is a trade made it wouldn’t surprise me that this was a contributing factor.

  123. flea says:

    leadfarmer,

    Yeah for sure, I make the trade too if I’m SJ management. But I don’t know how much it’ll really help them. I think those two might cannibalize points from one another.

    Ok NHL stop trading superstars to the Pacific now, except maybe one to the Oilers. Yeesh . . .

  124. leadfarmer says:

    digger50:
    I will be upset if Kassian becomes a victim of lack of cap space.

    In my opinion, as camp is about to start, he is the best right winger they have.Pair Nuge and Connor together and the other wing needs a big, speedy puck retriever who can own the corners and own the front of the net. We have seen this formula work.

    A couple things have held Kassian back. First his raw, emotional, border on crazy type style when he first joined the Oil. The coach had no like for that player style and no idea how to utilize that energy. Tmac welded Zack to the fourth line and now that is simply how he is viewed by everyone. (Except maybe Peter had different ideas when giving him that contract)

    I have small hope that one of the new coaches can see the potential in Kassian and how to utilize it. Unfortunately he’ll have to get past Tmac unwillingness to change in order to do anything.

    If we do swap out Kassian for Chaison we are likely to see Kassian as a third line winger scoring 15 goals a season while Chaison holds at about 5-6 goals for a short time.

    This is a season we are counting on internal growth, there is certainly some untapped potential sitting there on 4RW, if the coaches can just find a way to use it.

    Yeah I don’t want to give up on Kassian yet. Most of last season he played with waiver caliber Latestube, and then Ahl caliber Caggula and Pakarainen. Only decent forward was Khaira and slepy, Le sigh,
    My bigger worry with Kassian are his microstats were worse the previous year

  125. Gerta Rauss says:

    leadfarmer: It’s kind of a funny fool me once shame on you, fool me twice you owe me a draft pick

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNjczDq5D4E

  126. flea says:

    tileguy,

    Rasmus Ristolainen attended a Buffalo camp with no contract a few years ago (I think when Johnny G held out). Thought it was a pro move and wondered why more players don’t do it.

  127. dustrock says:

    Oilers are boned. Real boned. 1984 LA Lakers cheerleaders level boned.

  128. digger50 says:

    I just read Ben Betker is on a PTO with Vancouver. I’m happy for him.

  129. Side says:

    I can see it now:

    Karlsson does very well with SJS and helps them getvery deep in the playoffs – “wow, and SJS got Karlsson for cheap”

    Or

    Someone looks at Karlsson’s ankle the wrong way, and the remaining half of his ankle explodes into dust – “wow, can’t believe SJS gave up all those assets for 1 year of a player with a suspect ankle”

  130. Bob Arctor says:

    Kraz,

    I’m familiar with Malmo but have never lived there. Malmo school hosts the Arabic bilingual program. If you want your children in the regular English program or French immersion, Lendrum will be your local school. This means either bus service or drive to/pickup every day. Something to keep in mind.

    The LRT also travels along 111 street. I’ve lived on both sides. Personally I preferred being east of the tracks. I found it easier to travel in either direction.

    I’d check the Fraser school rankings and Edmonton neighborhood crime map for any potential neighborhoods. It should help get a sense of what’s going on. Hopefully someone else can chime in with specifics.

  131. blainer says:

    I am all of sudden not as optimistic of making the playoff’s with the EK trade and the Nurse news.

    I think I will wait til opening day before puck drop for my guess in Hunters death march. Chia must make a trade for a D imo as counting on Bouchard Jerabeck Bear etc will be a huge error.

    I actually thought Bear didn’t look anywhere close to the NHL in the few games he played. He has a lot of work to do before he makes it me thinks.

    We simply cannot start the season with the current D.

    If Chia doesn’t get something done by the latest a week in the season I believe we will be talking draft again by the middle of November.

    I do have some confidence Chia will get something done as his job is on the line and I’m quite certain he knows it.

    But there is always CMD and if anyone can get us to the promised land it’s him..

  132. digger50 says:

    tileguy: So one answer was he could but why should he, as in no pay noplay and one guy says insurance would be prohibitive, c’mon he is going to make north of $3M this year,Katz is worth billions why wouldn’t he for the good of the team attend camp?I brought this up last week and nobody touched it with a ten foot pole, and certainly LT dosen’t want us pilling on, but could he possibly not fit in with the rest of the boys? (I won’t say cancer)If there is a trade made it wouldn’t surprise me that this was a contributing factor.

    I have to agree, holding out for contract but sticking around, skating In Edmonton, being part of camp and part of the team. even if he didn’t play due to injury risk; these things would all go over well in establishing his committee and valued part of the team.

    It seems to me this isn’t happening in isolation. (Nurse contract) there are other dominoes in play that started to line up after Sekeras injury was announced. Perhaps Nurse did strike a verbal agreement and flew back east with an agreed upon plan. Who knows.

  133. jtblack says:

    tileguy: So one answer was he could but why should he, as in no pay noplay and one guy says insurance would be prohibitive, c’mon he is going to make north of $3M this year,Katz is worth billions why wouldn’t he for the good of the team attend camp?I brought this up last week and nobody touched it with a ten foot pole, and certainly LT dosen’t want us pilling on, but could he possibly not fit in with the rest of the boys? (I won’t say cancer)If there is a trade made it wouldn’t surprise me that this was a contributing factor.

    Tile guy. it’s very rare any player attends camp without a contract.

    You are looking at it from a Fan or Team perspective. From the players standpoint it makes no sense to show up. Again, why would he?

  134. Pisani Worldwide says:

    Regarding the Nurse deal, its impossible to judge negotiations based on one piece of information, assuming you are trying to make an objective observation. Either side could leak they are “only 200-300k” apart, and conveniently leave out where each side started at. Say they started 1.2M apart, if one side has given 75% of the ground, they may be saying this is where we dig in, you need to come to the table and give 25%. This could be true either way, or someone could just be incompetent, but if all you know is at this point they are 200-300k apart, that doesn’t give any insight to who has or has not tried in good faith to get this deal done. Maybe Chia is sitting at 4.0×2, after starting at 3.3 and waiting for Nurse to budge off of 4.2. Its really not enough to say either way. Now if we consider the track record that’s different, but that is just speculation and is a different argument. Everyone has a line in the sand at some point, if you’ve given all the way up to that line, you may have to drag it out, even if it is down to the last dollar. (FWIW, the first argument will be why didnt Chia do this on all his negotiations? To that i say idk, maybe he is just an idiot, but it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t do it on this one)

  135. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer: Yeah I don’t want to give up on Kassian yet.Most of last season he played with waiver caliber Latestube, and then Ahl caliber Caggula and Pakarainen.Only decent forward was Khaira and slepy, Le sigh,
    My bigger worry with Kassian are his microstats were worse the previous year

    My bigger worry is that mounting evidence suggests that 4rth line wingers is not the optimal place to allocate cap space.

    I can’t find the link, but they had a nice article at the Athletic on the topic. Basically, with fourth liners, you need a much larger corsi advantage to manifest itself in the GF-GA column.

  136. jtblack says:

    digger50: I have to agree, holding out for contract but sticking around, skating In Edmonton, being part of camp and part of the team. even if he didn’t play due to injury risk; these things would all go over well in establishing his committee and valued part of the team.

    It seems to me this isn’t happening in isolation. (Nurse contract) there are other dominoes in play that started to line up after Sekeras injury was announced. Perhaps Nurse did strike a verbal agreement and flew back east with an agreed upon plan. Who knows.

    there are other RFA’s currently without contracts and they are NOT attending camps either.

  137. tileguy says:

    jtblack,

    To be part of that young core (think boys on the bus) that leads us to the promise land.
    Your turn, why wouldn’t he? I bet your answer will make him look selfish.

  138. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    tileguy,

    Paul Coffey says hi

  139. Jethro Tull says:

    PinkSocks: Except it isn’t Tierney and a first rounder.There are two other picks included, plus a former first round pick in Josh Norris, and an up and coming gem in Balcers.

    Of course the Sharks win now because they got the better player, but this is a team in full rebuild mode who added multiple young assets.

    The words “Magic” and “Beans” spring to mind.

    The Sens got too many hopefuls and not enough actuals.

    Oh, and because the Sharks are perennially good, that is likely to be a late first rounder.

    Now watch Chia trade Nurse and a 1st for Brent Fucking Burns.

  140. Side says:

    Darnell posts pictures on Instagram referring to his teammates as brothers, talks about how he wants to play with this group and how great the guys are. He stands up for his teammates on the ice, even getting into fights over it. Hangs out with teammates outside of work… but then wants $300k more then the GM offered.

    Some fans conclude:

    “must be a cancer in the locker room”

  141. Ryan says:

    digger50: I have to agree, holding out for contract but sticking around, skating In Edmonton, being part of camp and part of the team. even if he didn’t play due to injury risk; these things would all go over well in establishing his committee and valued part of the team.

    It seems to me this isn’t happening in isolation. (Nurse contract) there are other dominoes in play that started to line up after Sekeras injury was announced. Perhaps Nurse did strike a verbal agreement and flew back east with an agreed upon plan. Who knows.

    Today, Stauffer said that Nurse will be with the Oilers on the trip to Europe.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLellan said that Jesse is a big part of the team and they want to put him in a spot where he is comfortable and confident and, so far, talking to Jesse and some teamates, that’s with Strome.

    Sounds like Jesse will open camp with Strome – no surprise but I hope he gets his chances with McDavid and/or Leon in camp as well.

  143. tileguy says:

    Side,

    Twist words much?

  144. digger50 says:

    Ryan: Today, Stauffer said that Nurse will be with the Oilers on the trip to Europe.

    Yes, I heard him say by opening night and he said it with confidence. There, as usual, must be more to the story.

  145. tileguy says:

    Ryan,

    That gives legs to the theory that a contract will be signed after Sekera is put on LTI. So why isn’t he training?

  146. Side says:

    tileguy,

    So you ponder whether Nurse gets along with the group and whether he should be traded because of it, but you aren’t saying he’s a cancer.

    Given all the information we have to date, why do you think Nurse doesn’t get along with the group?

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLellan has basically said he’s got 6 exhibition games to evaluate and for competition as they won’t have lots of extra bodies around for the last game against CGY before they are leaving and then they are off to Europe.

    He said earlier in the avail that he will play some kids in the first couple of games as they deserve the chance to play.

    For me, it really seems like there is going to be a four-game exhibition season to finalize the roster and essentially settle the lines and pairings.

  148. tileguy says:

    Side,

    That alleged Draisaitl thing is a biggie.

  149. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar:
    McLellan has basically said he’s got 6 exhibition games to evaluate and for competition as they won’t have lots of extra bodies around for the last game against CGY before they are leaving and then they are off to Europe.

    He said earlier in the avail that he will play some kids in the first couple of games as they deserve the chance to play.

    For me, it really seems like there is going to be a four-game exhibition season to finalize the roster and essentially settle the lines and pairings.

    That’s a positive!

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    When asked about Sekera out (and Nurse not around for now), he said they are hoping that the “lead dogs” Klef and Larsson can play at the level they can and then they are counting on Benning and Russell to step up.

    Of course, we all hope (and assume) Nurse will be there as 2LD for game 1 and I am hopeful that verbal means that Matty Benning gets the shot at 2RD as I’d really like to see Russell as 3LD (with Jarabek).

  151. digger50 says:

    jtblack: there are other RFA’s currently without contracts and they are NOT attending camps either.

    Of course not. They hired an agent and the agent is giving them advice not to attend camp, nor to weaken his position in any way. Yes, I understand this. That is the “why” the player should not attend – plus the afore mentioned injury risk. Another thought just occurred, there may be an organization concern (legal) that prevents him from attending.

    Why they should attend? If you are close on negotiations and truly believe what you say when you state “I’m confident a deal will get done” and “I hope to be in camp asa”….

    Then the reason you attend is about good will. Showing intention, little PR maybe, being the team guy. There is a lot going on in camp such as system play that Nurse should be a part of, weather he’s on the ice or not.

    So really, the simple road is do what your agent tells you, until you have a contract, then do what the Org tells you. This is just a conversation for the fell of it.

  152. Side says:

    tileguy:
    Side,

    That alleged Draisaitl thing is a biggie.

    I can’t even count on 2 hands and 2 feet how many times I have seen best friends get into a fight and be fine with it afterwards.

    People fantasize that it’s a big deal, but I bet everyone here has experienced a heated moment between 2 friends, colleagues, teammates or brothers, that has been long forgotten.

    I also can’t count how many variations of the alleged incident I have heard before. Was it at Earls? Cactus Club? Joeys? a fight? a single punch? a shove? over a girl? a sister? a cousin?

    I’ll take what Nurse has said/demonstrated so far, over a rumour from a friend of a friend’s, cousin’s, girlfriend’s, uncle’s coworker.

  153. YKOil says:

    Karlsson trade… and we complain about PC getting fleeced…

  154. jtblack says:

    digger50,

    “Then the reason you attend is about good will. Showing intention, little PR maybe, being the team guy. There is a lot going on in camp such as system play that Nurse should be a part of, weather he’s on the ice or not.”

    Exactly. Unfortunately “Good Will” and “Professional Sports” have just left the building. I hear you and agree, it was just spit balling. But nobody shows up without a contract and no player is sitting at home going, if I show up to camp without a contract the organization will treat me better. Will they?

    I remember Ryan Smyth taking home town discount after home discount for the Oilers … how did that work out in the end??

  155. Alpine says:

    flea:
    leadfarmer,

    Yeah for sure, I make the trade too if I’m SJ management. But I don’t know how much it’ll really help them. I think those two might cannibalize points from one another.

    Ok NHL stop trading superstars to the Pacific now, except maybe one to the Oilers. Yeesh . . .

    Burns will be the shooter on the PP as he always has been and Karlsson the passer from the point. You can split them up at EV or move Burns back to forward too.

  156. YKOil says:

    Karlsson for Strome, Benning, Yamamoto, Benson and picks?

    I honestly had no idea Karlsson could be available for so little. When putting trade ideas down on napkins I always thought the Oilers would have to lead with Klefbom or Nurse.. and figured it was STILL worth it.

  157. Richard S.S. says:

    They can sign Nurse for up to $3.75 Million now. Wait until game one, LTIR Sekera, sign one PTO and trade for ……… to be Sekera’s replacement and still fit under the Cap. -OR- Do it all at the start of Training Camp.

  158. hunter1909 says:

    Side: I can’t even count on 2 hands and 2 feet how many times I have seen best friends get into a fight and be fine with it afterwards.

    People fantasize that it’s a big deal, but I bet everyone here has experienced a heated moment between 2 friends, colleagues, teammates or brothers, that has been long forgotten.

    I also can’t count how many variations of the alleged incident I have heard before.Was it at Earls? Cactus Club? Joeys? a fight? a single punch? a shove? over a girl? a sister? a cousin?

    I’ll take what Nurse has said/demonstrated so far, over a rumour from a friend of a friend’s, cousin’s, girlfriend’s, uncle’s coworker.

    I think it sounds hilarious.

    Especially since no one asks Nurse’s sister what she thinks.

  159. --hudson-- says:

    McLellan’s availability from this afternoon. He says Darnell’s contract will get done.

    They had no mic’s on the reporters so difficult to pick up some of the questions.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzEW9FxPdS0
    ————————————————–
    Q: {inaudible}
    A: You’re talking about the whole group or returning players? Well last year at this time there we had grave concerns about our approach to the season with expectations being high, coming off a real good year, and this year it feels different. Obviously we ended last season in a spot we didn’t want to be in. It stung and I think that stinging feeling is still in all of us. It should be in all of us. I feel like there’s a more astute group right now around the rink. A little more intensity, you could feel it in the air, and I think that’s a good thing. Now we have to take that and put it into play throughout camp, and we have to be competitive in exhibition games, and we have to get prepared for the season so that we are accepting of doing things right from day one. Not cutting corners, not finding or attempting to win the easy way. We got to win the hard way.

    Q: {on coaching staff changes}
    A: Well first of all a fresh set of eyes and what that does is that allows just about every player in the locker room to have a fresh start. Even if you’ve had a tremendous year last year you’ve got a new group of eyes that you have to convince to create a first impression for. I’ve tried to be passive when it comes to describing what the old staff felt about players. What their demeanor is, how they react to certain situations. I want them to develop their own opinions. You know I might be wrong and it gives fresh life into some players. So we’ve done that. We’ve gone through how we want to play the game and brought some new ideas into the mix so they’ve contributed in that way. Their presence and the way they present is something new and refreshing. So there’s a lot of positives to it. There’s also reassurances. You know the group that we’ve had here in the past as a coaching staff wasn’t a group of dummies. We did some things well and that group from the outside whether it’s Gulley in Calgary or Trent Yawney in Anaheim, and we played against those teams a lot, they’ve come in and said no we see this is a strength of your team, we just got to do it right, do it longer or do it better. So there are reassurances from those new faces as well that we are doing some things the right way.

    Q: {on Lucic}
    A: Yeah you know and we’re talking about an individual, let’s face it the group wasn’t good. The group was a hole in it comes down to team. Every team in the league will have players that maybe don’t meet expectations. The Stanley Cup champion this year will have that. It’s what the group does as a whole and if Milan and Nuge are saying there’s an intensity around the team I’m excited about that. As I mentioned the sting of last year was long and drawn-out because we weren’t very good to begin with. We got a little bit better and then it just stayed with us the whole season. So we’ve lived through that for 82 games. We lived through it through a summer. Our team has changed somewhat but not dramatically. So the group that felt that sting gets a chance to come to training camp and establish new routes, new work ethic, and a new level of accountability amongst each other.

    Q: {on last years start}
    A: Well you analyzed it well, like the first game was dangerous for us. You know and the Calgary Flames coach is now an Oiler coach and we talked about that. We were sharp that night, we were good, we did a lot of things well, yet it came down to an empty netter by Connor to seal the game. It was the next segment, the next phase after that. We had some days off, we played some home games, our goals against went you know I think it was 5.65 or something like that, and the floodgates opened. That first game although it was a great effort by our group it probably set us up to become casual for the next few weeks and we chased it from that point on.

    Q: {on start of camp}
    A: Well we’ll have a meeting later tonight. Today this morning it’s physicals and some testing and whatnot. We’ll have a meeting tonight and at that point we’ll talk about you know the theme. There might be a little bit who are we and who are you. And it’s not fair to throw everybody into that boat. We’ve got a lot of new players, but who are we, who do we want to be, and how do we get there, and who are you as an individual. Even if you had a great year, who are you and what do you bring to the table, and that starts and has started with us as a staff. We’ve asked those questions and we’ve tried to look at and how we do things and made some changes. But it has to get into the players’ minds which group do we want to be.

    Q: {on Nurse missing the start of camp}
    A: Hey, Darnell is not here. Yep and you know the old cliché, control what you can. The business aspect of the game has nothing to do with the coaching staff or anybody that’s in training camp. Darnell’s a hell of a player he’s a great human being. We all want him to be here but he’s also a business man and so is our group of a management team and they will they’ll work things out eventually. It’ll get done.

    Q: {more on Nurse}
    A: Well I don’t think you ever want to miss anything. You don’t want to miss anything when you’re hurt, you don’t want to miss anything when you’re not in camp. You don’t want to miss anything when you’re suspended. It can’t help but you know it’s something that we’re not going to fix right now and when I say we, everybody else that isn’t involved in. Players, coaches, that type of stuff. Management and Darnell and his group will work on things the rest of us have a job to do.

    Q: {on injuries}
    A: I’m just getting reports now of the bumps and bruises from last night’s games. Those rookies from the rookie camp, it’s been a taxing week, there’s been a lot of skating, and a lot of competition so there are guys that are beat up a little bit. Safin has not skated yet with the group so we’ll see where he is as he goes through and then I’ll get an update on our veteran physicals when they’re complete. He’ll have a physical we’ll see where he is as far as passing that. Obviously if he passes the physical he’s good to skate away we go and we’d encourage that.

    Q: {on Puljujarvi}
    A: Jesse I think he’s an important part of our team. I think that we want to put him in a situation where he feels comfortable and confident. In my opinion and just talking to him and some of his teammates that’s been with Stromer and we want him to evolve into a real good player. Now a real good player, the definitions pretty broad, is he going to be the Patrick Laine 50 goal scorer, I don’t know, but I think that his evolution and development is going the right way and we’ll continue.

    Q: {on Rattie}
    A: Ty Rattie is a young player that got an opportunity and he took advantage of it. He has some offensive instincts that pair well with some of our players on our team right now. He’s a player that was almost at the end of opportunity and he took advantage of it. Somebody else’s bad fortune, our bad fortune if we would have had a season that we hoped to have, maybe he wouldn’t even have got that chance, but he got it and he took advantage of it, and we expect them to continue to hold on to it.

    Q: {more on Rattie with McDavid and Nuge}
    A: We will start there yep we’ll start with that line.

    Q: {faceoffs}
    A: They will they get to determine that and they’re both getting better in the faceoff circle. Nuge took significant strides last year and Conner’s getting better. It’s funny how on a given night against a certain individual one guy will be hot and one guy will be cold. They get to figure that out, they’re smart players, they got pride in their numbers and they want to play in the offensive zone. They’ll make that decision.

    Q: {on Nuge playing with McDavid}
    A: Well they think similarly they complement each other they have confidence. Nuge can keep up and can keep plays alive for Connor. You know they just have a knack right now to play efficient smart hockey with each other. Now we have to keep in mind that that experiment started you know near the end of last year. Nuge being injured, he missed about a month of hockey, he came back from an injury, and we played him in the center hole for two or three games so he could get his feet underneath him, and then we put him on the wing and it worked. But the hockey was also a little different at that time considering where we were in the standings and how teams may have been approaching us with backup goaltender’s and that type of stuff. So that group – Ty Rattie, Nuge, Connor – have to get it done when it’s really tough early in the year and we believe they can.

    Q: {on special teams}
    A: Well we play two games right off the bat Monday and in Calgary on Tuesday and Vancouver I believe. And those games are hard it’s a tough situation to really get special teams going. We’re gonna play some kids, they deserve the chance to play in the games, and we’ll let them play. We will probably see lines running out and in power play situations. Everybody getting a chance at a penalty kill and as camp wears on we’ll start to put units together and tend to practice with them a little bit more. Give some of our older units an opportunity at success they have done it before. We have new eyes on it, we just spent a good chunk in the morning here again talking about it, and coming up with theories and ways we want to fix it, and give some of our coaches a new kick at those groups. And you know for it to be successful you have to have two units that can push each other and perform well. We’ll be looking for four to.

    Q: {question on Klefbom}
    A: I know this year he’s healthy and that’s what’s important. Last year’s done now you know he’s one that we’ll have to ask that question. Who are we and who are you. He’ll have to ask himself that question, and yes you got to put the injury into that question, and he has to use it when he evaluates himself. But he’s healthy now and he’s going to ask that question as if he was healthy and what can you bring to the table.

    Q: {question on goaltending}
    A: No we have to get into camp, and we have to look at our you know three or four goaltender’s that we think can play for us, and we have to get them up and running. And just like any other positional player we need to make decisions as we move forward. So there’s no handing the keys over to any individuals. If somebody steps up and clearly outplays one or the other, then we’ve got some tough decisions to make, and that’s what training camps for.

    Q: {on the schedule}
    A: It would yeah, it’s tough so in the past we’ve had eight exhibition games you know I’m looking at probably a six exhibition game season. Basically when we play against Calgary on that Saturday I believe it is as we leave. So it’s hard to have a whole bunch of extra bodies around because we’re leaving, and so it’s the six games prior to that, that become real good tryout games, and then you know the last exhibition games in Europe we’re not going to have a big taxi squad there. We’ll have our group then and play them there.

    Q: {inaudible}
    A: We’re hoping that our two lead dogs in Klefbom and Larson establish themselves quickly, and get their feet underneath them, and play at the level they can. That would make that scenario a little bit better, then we’re looking at Matt Benning taking a bit of a step forward, and Kris Russell playing well. After that there is a group of players, whether they’re very youthful, or some that have experience that are going to compete for jobs in those 5-6-7 holes that are going to come from a wide variety of tryout PTO guys that have played in the league for a long time to guys that haven’t even turned pro yet until they get into these camps which is happening now with a guy like Bouchard.

    Q: {inaudible}
    A: Not necessarily, if by the time we get to the end of September, if we have real big lingering questions on who’s going to play we either haven’t done a real good job of sorting things out or the players haven’t. By that time in any training camp you have a pretty good idea that your team’s coming from 25-26 guys. You know and that’s the situation we’ll be in as we head to that last Saturday may have to make a decision or two after that last game here and against Calgary and then take our team over.

    Q: {on Sekera}
    A: I’ve been told by the medical people that it takes a good healthy strong year to recover from his knee injury. Now you can still play but you’re probably not playing it at an optimal level. I think we saw that from Sekera. Having the summer that he was having, and the training regimen that he was going through, we were excited about getting him back, and I know he was excited and his teammates were. But again it’s out of our control, it’s nothing that we can change right now, and it sounds cliché but it’s opened up opportunity for other players.

  160. hunter1909 says:

    Side:
    Darnell posts pictures on Instagram referring to his teammates as brothers, talks about how he wants to play with this group and how great the guys are. He stands up for his teammates on the ice, even getting into fights over it.Hangs out with teammates outside of work… but then wants $300k more then the GM offered.

    Some fans conclude:

    “must be a cancer in the locker room”

    lol so true

    On the flip side soccer players like to kiss the team’s logo then the next week run off for more money elsewhere.

  161. flyfish1168 says:

    Ryan: Today, Stauffer said that Nurse will be with the Oilers on the trip to Europe.

    Was Kassian mention as going on the trip? I’m thinking he is odd man out on a trade and Chiasson in to make room for Nurse’s bridge contract

  162. Professor Q says:

    hunter1909: lol so true

    On the flip side soccer players like to kiss the team’s logo then the next week run off for more money elsewhere.

    Well, or the sponsor’s logo. Which seems to change every year now.

  163. leadfarmer says:

    Alpine: Burns will be the shooter on the PP as he always has been and Karlsson the passer from the point. You can split them up at EV or move Burns back to forward too.

    Exactly. Play each 25 min a night. It’s not like they are deep on defense.

  164. hunter1909 says:

    SJ will end up like any team with a top defence and weak offence. I use both terms loosely.

  165. Richard S.S. says:

    YKOil,

    3rd Line Centre Ryan Strome can be replaced by Ryan Nugent-Hopkins so someone else plays LW on Connor’s Line. That’s not a win.
    #2 RD Matthew Benning is replaced by who, Kris Russell? That’s not a win.
    Losing the rest might be acceptable.

    Erik Karlson plays with Adam Larson;
    Oscar Klefbom plays with Kris Russell;
    Darnell Nurse plays with who?

  166. Jordan says:

    Kraz,

    Grew up southside, with family still in Bluequill, Erminskin/Duggan and Pleasantview.

    Traffic on Gateway/Calgary trail is a pain during rush hours, but if you’re working outside the city, being close to it, the Whitemud and the LRT line provides a lot of options for transportation. Love taking the LRT to Oilers games – no worries about driving after too many brews.

    There’s basically three types of homes around southgate now – homes that have been upgraded by the owners to try and maximize their selling price, those that are in okay shape, but a little cheaper, and those that haven’t been maintained and are best for a knockdown or a major facelift.

    Most of the lot sizes are pretty good compared to the ones outside the anthony henday, but most sellers expect you to pay for it. If you are emotionally attached to that space, it’s probably worth the premium. I come from a gardening family, so it’s a bid deal for me. There weren’t as many small lot houses back when those areas were developed, so trying to find one in the area for sale can be tough.

    I’ve found that if you can build a list of “needs” when it comes to your house, you can price out what those needs are worth to put in after the fact, and figure out if it’s really a “need” or a “nice to have”. If you have a life partner, I’d ask them to do the same thing on their own, and then compare your lists.

  167. LadiesloveSmid says:

    YKOil:
    Karlsson for Strome, Benning, Yamamoto, Benson and picks?

    I honestly had no idea Karlsson could be available for so little.When putting trade ideas down on napkins I always thought the Oilers would have to lead with Klefbom or Nurse.. and figured it was STILL worth it.

    I wonder if it had been last summer if Karlsson would have been interested in re-signing in Edmonton. I think EDM is better set up for 2019/20 when Karlsson would walk to Tampa.

  168. Pescador says:

    YKOil:
    Karlsson trade… and we complain about PC getting fleeced…

    Ottawa has Megalomaniac Melnyk
    Edmonton has Krazy Katz
    I think we win

  169. Pescador says:

    tileguy:
    Side,

    That alleged Draisaitl thing is a biggie.

    Gossip Queens

  170. Oil2Oilers says:

    Nurse is expendable after Caleb Jones impressed during Rookie Camp. Same as it ever was.

  171. Pescador says:

    Pisani Worldwide:
    Regarding the Nurse deal, its impossible to judge negotiations based on one piece of information, assuming you are trying to make an objective observation. Either side could leak they are “only 200-300k” apart, and conveniently leave out where each side started at. Say they started 1.2M apart, if one side has given 75% of the ground, they may be saying this is where we dig in, you need to come to the table and give 25%. This could be true either way, or someone could just be incompetent, but if all you know is at this point they are 200-300k apart, that doesn’t give any insight to who has or has not tried in good faith to get this deal done. Maybe Chia is sitting at 4.0×2, after starting at 3.3 and waiting for Nurse to budge off of 4.2. Its reallynot enough to say either way. Now if we consider the track record that’s different, but that is just speculation and is a different argument. Everyone has a line in the sand at some point, if you’ve given all the way up to that line, you may have to drag it out, even if it is down to the last dollar. (FWIW, the first argument will be why didnt Chia do this on all his negotiations? To that i say idk, maybe he is just an idiot, but it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t do it on this one)

    Well said,
    This has to be closest to the truth.
    Nurse’s agent is stuck on North of $4 Mil,
    how can you blame him based on Russell’s contract in relation to performance level?

    Oilers don’t have more then $3.8 to offer, there’s your $2-300,000.
    Darnell said “call me when you find the cash, I’ll be on the next plane”

  172. Bling says:

    Sounds like Nurse will get done.

    I don’t think missing a few days of camp is that big of a deal any more. These guys train all summer and Darnell was already in Edmonton skating with some of the guys.

    In any case, I would think that the first few exhibition games we will be seeing some of the younger D and the cluster of bubble men vying for the 6/7 slots.

  173. YKOil says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Nurse is expendable after Caleb Jones impressed during Rookie Camp. Same as it ever was.

    So awesome.

  174. YKOil says:

    Richard S.S.:
    YKOil,
    3rd Line Centre Ryan Strome can be replaced by Ryan Nugent-Hopkins so someone else plays LW on Connor’s Line.That’s not a win.
    #2 RD Matthew Benning is replaced by who, Kris Russell?That’s not a win.
    Losing the rest might be acceptable.

    Erik Karlson plays with Adam Larson;
    Oscar Klefbom plays with Kris Russell;
    Darnell Nurse plays with who?

    Serious? You pass on one of the 3 or 4 best d-men out there because you are worried about the 3rd line centre spot?

    Klefbom plays with Larsson.
    Nurse plays with Karlsson,
    Russell, Gravel, etc fill out the bottom pair.

    This isn’t hard to think through. Karlsson plays RD.

  175. Ryan says:

    flyfish1168: Was Kassian mention as going on the trip? I’m thinking he is odd man out on a trade and Chiasson in to make room for Nurse’s bridge contract

    My plan is to trade Kassian and a pick for Faulk.

    I’m not in charge, however.

    I have no inside info on Kassian, but they have guys on PTO’s who could fill his role, so they might be looking to save some cap space with him.

  176. N64 says:

    The basement is too good for the cente of the universe

    Exhibit Z: cbc.ca

    “Aw-shucks Leafs take new role as Stanley Cup favourites in stride”

  177. defmn says:

    I won’t blame Nurse or Chiarelli for the impasse. I’ve been in too many negotiations to think anybody outside of the room knows what is going on.

    Did Chiarelli spend all the money so there wasn’t enough left for Darnell or did the agent ask for such a ridiculous amount that Chiarelli knew it was going to go to the end of the off season and that he better get the others signed.

    I don’t know and I don’t think anybody else here knows either. There are greedy agents and dumb GM’s and naive players all over the league and we usually only hear something close to the whole story much later.

    It does look from others still waiting that there is a push for RFA contract amounts coming from the NHLPA and, of course, we know that collusion from the PA is the general rule when they think they have the right mix of players and timing so my guess would be that that is where the push is coming from. Gary Bettman may be a dick but so is Fehr.

  178. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kraz:
    I know its the first day of camp and this is off topic but I am starting to look into real estate in Edmonton and any advice I can get is helpful.

    I am looking for a place to buy in Edmonton. So far I have looked at some houses in south Edmonton and close to southgate. I am also interested in the Summerside area and also liked a condo that I got to view in Rossdale down in the river valley.

    If anyone has some tips and or advice about living in these areas or even some other areas that would be worth my time it would be greatly appreciated. My family lives in South Edmonton so thats why I like it there and I work in northern BC so commuting isn’t an issue for me.

    No advice on living in those areas, but I have good market info.

    The market is flooded right now so it’s a buyer’s market.

    Make low offers.

    Your real estate agent will tell you not to because they just want a quick sale and don’t want to have to write up multiple offers, but stand firm and make the agent work.

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    Cannot Nurse attend camp without a contract?

    Sure but he won’t do so without insurance and the cost of this type of insurance is prohibitory.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: I asked OP about Chiasson today in the dying thread.

    I don’t know much about a player like Chiasson, but if you could replace Kassian ($1.95m) for Chiasson at the league minimum, you’d save over a million in cap space with probably not too much of a downgrade.

    Last year Kassian played just over 10 minutes at evens. Chiasson 9.5 minutes.

    As fourth liners, both had poor rels for their team in terms of corsi and fenwick. no surprise

    Kassian had 1.28 p/60 while Chiasson had 1.45

    Kassian played 1:28 on the pk while Chiasson played 1:39

    Chiasson’s GA/60 on was slightly worse though these numbers fluctuate quite a bit from year-to-year.

    Both guys were not the best PK’ers on their respective teams, but could be deployed in that role.

    Kassian has a much worse penalty differential too.

    Kassian had better micro stats

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

    Speaking of Chiasson, with respect to Upshall, McLellan did say something to day him skating with the team if he passed his physical. I would have thought Upshall is the front runner for a contract (if one is going to be signed) but I wonder if health is an issue.

  181. digger50 says:

    jtblack:
    digger50,

    “Then the reason you attend is about good will. Showing intention, little PR maybe, being the team guy. There is a lot going on in camp such as system play that Nurse should be a part of, weather he’s on the ice or not.”

    Exactly. Unfortunately “Good Will” and “Professional Sports” have just left the building.I hear you and agree, it was just spit balling. But nobody shows up without a contract and no player is sitting at home going, if I show up to camp without a contract the organization will treat me better.Will they?

    I remember Ryan Smyth taking home town discount after home discount for the Oilers … how did that work out in the end??

    Just for the sake of discussion. How did it turn out for Smyth?

    He is absolutely loved around this city. I guess it depends on his values and how he measures success.

    As for negotiation, sure it gets jaded but I don’t think good will is ever really dead, it’s how deals get done.

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    flea:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I agree with you too, my original post wasn’t clear. They would have enough to bridge Nurse and sign a PTO player IF Nurse signs for $3.2/$3.25. Then they can hit day 1 and get full cap relief to bring in a guy like Faulk potentially. But if Nurse wants $3.5, it doesn’t work. They could sign Nurse but not have any flexibility to offer a PTO a contract of $800k without going over the cap. The Oilers probably want the flexibility to sign that PTO player at the right moment, not telling them they have to wait until the start of the season. I seem to remember Kris Versteeg ditching the Oilers after going through TC. Maybe they still feel jilted by that.

    Either way, there is also obviously some bad blood here, because the possibility of a PTO player shouldn’t hold up a contract on a core player.

    I don’t think this is right as your are missing the step.

    If they sign Upshall to an $800K contract, then someone that is currently included in our cap hit is going to be re-assigned.

    For example, maybe that player is Aberg and his $650K – he’s waived and either picked up or sent to Bakersfield – either way, his entire cap hit is gone so the net increase is $150K.

    If its Caggulia that is waived and not picked up, just over $1M of his cap hit will be buried once re-assigned and we would actually gain almost $200K in cap space.

    The signing of a player to a PTO would only involve a nominal increase to our cap and, if any, and possibly a decrease.

  183. hunter1909 says:

    hunter1909:
    SJ will end up like any team with a top defence and weak offence. I use both terms loosely.

    Lying, sour grapes.

  184. JimmyV1965 says:

    digger50:
    I will be upset if Kassian becomes a victim of lack of cap space.

    In my opinion, as camp is about to start, he is the best right winger they have.Pair Nuge and Connor together and the other wing needs a big, speedy puck retriever who can own the corners and own the front of the net. We have seen this formula work.

    A couple things have held Kassian back. First his raw, emotional, border on crazy type style when he first joined the Oil. The coach had no like for that player style and no idea how to utilize that energy. Tmac welded Zack to the fourth line and now that is simply how he is viewed by everyone. (Except maybe Peter had different ideas when giving him that contract)

    I have small hope that one of the new coaches can see the potential in Kassian and how to utilize it. Unfortunately he’ll have to get past Tmac unwillingness to change in order to do anything.

    If we do swap out Kassian for Chaison we are likely to see Kassian as a third line winger scoring 15 goals a season while Chaison holds at about 5-6 goals for a short time.

    This is a season we are counting on internal growth, there is certainly some untapped potential sitting there on 4RW, if the coaches can just find a way to use it.

    Kassian is not a 15 goal scorer. He scored 14 once with the Sedins. Could he score 15 one time? Maybe. But that will be an outlier season. He’s never even scored 30 in junior.

  185. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: No advice on living in those areas, but I have good market info.

    The market is flooded right now so it’s a buyer’s market.

    Make low offers.

    Your real estate agent will tell you not to because they just want a quick sale and don’t want to have to write up multiple offers, but stand firm and make the agent work.

    To add with MY experience,
    when it comes to agents:
    I prefer the ‘up and coming’ Associate over the long in the tooth Broker who doesn’t always need your business.

    But that’s me, best of luck in your search

  186. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure but he won’t do so without insurance and the cost of this type of insurance is prohibitory.

    Anybody know how this type of insurance works and a rough guess as to what it would cost. I think the team (Katz) could afford it and be a worthwhile investment in the team, gawd knowes he has wasted money in worse ways.

  187. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy: So one answer was he could but why should he, as in no pay noplay and one guy says insurance would be prohibitive, c’mon he is going to make north of $3M this year,Katz is worth billions why wouldn’t he for the good of the team attend camp?I brought this up last week and nobody touched it with a ten foot pole, and certainly LT dosen’t want us pilling on, but could he possibly not fit in with the rest of the boys? (I won’t say cancer)If there is a trade made it wouldn’t surprise me that this was a contributing factor.

    This guy has done absolutely everything possible to get ready for the first day of training camp and hit the ground running. I’ve seen his workout videos throughout the summer, he was at bio steel camp and he was on the ice for the entirety of the unofficial workouts in Edmonton.

    Contrast that to William Nylander who never left Sweden for Canada.

    Given the multitude of videos and pictures he’s posted in the last few weeks with Drai and joking around with him, I’m thinking his relationship with his teammates is a non-issue.

  188. Bulging Twine says:

    Very transparent and honest scrum by Lucic. Last year things got real heavy for him and he spiralled down emotionally and mentally. He went and got the help that he needed and knows the enemy and is going to fight to keep positive this year. I hope that he does well.

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: Today, Stauffer said that Nurse will be with the Oilers on the trip to Europe.

    I’ve listed to Oilers Now all week but missed it today – I assume he was just stating his opinion that the deal will get done and he’ll be there for game 1? He’s been saying that all week but its just his opinion.

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    Side,

    That alleged Draisaitl thing is a biggie.

    Given the multitude of pictures and videos he’s posted in the last week alone joking around with Drai, I think you are incorrect.

  191. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    digger50,

    I remember Ryan Smyth taking home town discount after home discount for the Oilers … how did that work out in the end??

    Wait, you do?

    I remember Ryan Smith being an absolute bitch to sign contract after contract – he always signed late and, if I remember correctly, held out himself.

  192. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard S.S.:
    They can sign Nurse for up to $3.75 Million now.Wait until game one, LTIR Sekera, sign one PTO and trade for ……… to be Sekera’sreplacement and still fit under the Cap.-OR-Do it all at the start of Training Camp.

    Yup, they could sign Nurse to a bridge and sign one of the PTO players to a contract right now.

    Signing one of the PTO players will add nominal cap and might even reduce the cap depending on who gets re-assigned to make room for the new roster player

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Well said,
    This has to be closest to the truth.
    Nurse’s agent is stuck on North of $4 Mil,
    how can you blame him based on Russell’s contract in relation to performance level?

    Oilers don’t have more then $3.8 to offer, there’s your $2-300,000.
    Darnell said “call me when you find the cash, I’ll be on the next plane”

    The Oilers could sign Nurse to a $6M AAV right now and easily be cap compliant by day 1 by putting Sekera on LTIR in the off-season.

    It reduces the ultimate LTIR cushion but the point is the Oilers have the ability to sign Nurse to any type of contract today – the question is the two sides coming to an agreement on what is reasonable.

    They can fit any reasonable contract under the cap.

  194. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy: Anybody know how this type of insurance works and a rough guess as to what it would cost. I think the team (Katz) could afford it and be a worthwhile investment in the team, gawd knowes he has wasted money in worse ways.

    I’m not even sure the team would be allowed to provide the insurance for the player.

  195. Bulging Twine says:

    Brodziak led the Blues in SH TOI/Game last year and Upshall was 3rd.
    Their PK ranked 18th

    In 16-17 Brodziak was first and Upshall was 3rd.
    Their PK was 3rd.

    With the Blues introducing some high end young players these two older guys became expendable. May be good additions to the PK.

  196. Bulging Twine says:

    Chiasson was 4th in SH TOI/G for Washington. 2nd in Wingers SH TOI/G.
    I’m seeing a trend here.

  197. John Chambers says:

    Jethro Tull,

    I suppose the way one could look at it is, as a result of this trade, the Sens in 3 years will have 4 or 5 players in their lineup that they got back in this trade.

    They traded one year of Karlsson.

    To start the 2021-2022 season they’ll have:
    Tierney
    DeMelo
    Josh Norris
    The Latvian
    The 2020 1st

    None of those guys are all-stars, mind you, but it’s a fair quantity of NHL players.

  198. Kraz says:

    Just saw all the replies but thanks everyone for the tips and advice it is greatly appreciated!!

  199. OriginalPouzar says:

    Friedman on Tim and Sid:

    I think that Nylander and Toronto are farther apart than Nurse and the Oilers, I do.

    The one thing I think about Nurse is I think there is an agreement that they want it to be a bridge. I think they just disagree on what the value is.

  200. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Smyth was over $100K on a $5 million something contract.

    That type of decision is never about the math. It’s personal and once lizard brains lose adrenaline they think ‘why did I do that?’

    I don’t see Chia in that way. I have no idea why the team (I think a lot of calls are coming from in the house) does deals as it does, but he’s not that stupid. Take the cap penalty next season for that little.

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