The Load-Out

Jesse Puljujarvi scored early and played well all night long. He showed power and finesse, combined with good boots and rugged play (even threw in some ‘pushing and shoving’ for good measure). A team can’t count on all of its prospects to arrive right on time, but this one, the mannish boy, is more man than boy this time, perhaps for the first time. Hallelujah, amen. It is a big damned deal.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Jonathan Willis: Challenge accepted: Young RW’s showcase skill in Oilers preseason game.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Assessing the aftermath from Darnell Nurse’s deal with the Oilers.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Pleasant and unpleasant surprises from Tuesday’s training camp cuts.
  • New Lowetide: RE 18-19: A case for the defence.
  • New Lowetide: Oilers sign Nurse to a two-year deal.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Can Tobias Rieder be the perfect complement to Leon Draisaitl?
  • The Athletic Cross Canada Tour Will hit Edmonton!
  • New Corey Pronman: Ranking NHL teams by their U23 core.
  • New Lowetide: How do you replace a lost draft summer?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Even with more goaltending depth the Oilers are counting on return to form from Cam Talbot.
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: Ryan Strome and the Oilers long journey to competent third and fourth lines
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: Leon Draisaitl and the pursuit of a second outscoring line in ’18-19
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: Can the McDavid line lead the 2018-19 Oilers to the playoffs?
  • Jonathan Willis: If the Oilers fail in 2018-19, it will probably be the same reason they failed in 2017-18.
  • Jonathan Willis: If the Oilers improve in ’18-19, they’ll do it on the back of special teams
  • Eric Duhatschek: Connor McDavid knows what ails the Oilers and how to improve it.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Ethan Bear is providing inspiration for Indigenous youth through his hockey camp.

LAST NIGHT GAME NOTES

Oilers lost the possession battle in the first and second period last night, but Cam Talbot was brilliant and right wingers were scoring at will. The overall 5-on-5 possession battle (24-36 Corsi, 40 percent) showed the Oilers were chasing more than they should have been, while 5-on-5 shots (20-19 Van) and high-danger chances (9-6 Van) were perhaps a better reflection than the overall flow of play. Some bad penalties were also part of the mix, but if you’re looking for good arrows, the skill right wingers and goalie Talbot are the headlines.

GOALIES

  1. Cam Talbot. Stopped 22 of 23, .957 and 1.50. If you were hoping to see the No. 1 goalie announce his presence with authority, your wish came true last night. He made a memorable save late in the first period and looked calm elsewhere. Impressive preseason debut.
  2. Al Montoya. Stopped 13 of 14, .929 and 3.00. Looked calm, he had significant work for 20 minutes of icetime. Debut this season solid, plenty of work to do.

DEFENSE

  • Garrison-Benning went 5-5 Corsi in 10:28, 2-0 in GF and 5-4 in shots. I thought Benning was the team’s best defenceman on the night. Went 1-2 in 4:13 against Eriksson-Horvat-Dahlen, 2-4 in 3:34 against Baertschi-Pettersson-Goldobin.
  • Lowe-Jerabek went 7-9 in 10:54, 0-0 in GF and 3-3 in shots. Jerabek showed some good moments, but his partner (Lowe) had a poor night (hitch in his giddyup several times). Impossible to get a read on Jerabek from last night’s game imo, as Lowe was unable to make plays. Pair went 3-8 in 5:00 against Leipsic-Gagner-Virtanen.
  • Jones-Russell went 7-13 Corsi 5-on-5 in 14:07, making them the No. 1 pairing in terms of even-strength time on ice. That’s a big step up for Jones and he had some good things going. Scored a goal, pairing was 7-7 in SF (Russell is the one defenceman who ends up looking better in straight shots for-against than in Corsi). Went 3-8 Corsi for 5-on-5 in 5:48 against Schaller-Granlund-Motte, I believe the Horvat line was No. 1 and Vancouver ran that trio against Russell-Jones the most (1-3), including a miserable sortie defended by Jones on the Horvat goal. That’s what learning looks like. I like Jones a lot and he did some good things last night. Suspect he’ll see the NHL at some point this season.
  • NHL.com and NaturalStatTrick.

FORWARDS

  • Khaira-Strome-Puljujarvi went 8-5 in 8:37 and looked solid as a unit. They were 8-2 in shots, 2-0 in goals and the Finn was the best player on the line. Strome was schooled by Pettersson on a fabulous play, suspect the GIF will run for years on the coast. JP’s goal was a little soft, but the power move to get clean air for the shot was big league. He was physical, consistent and the best thing to come out of last night’s game. Khaira gives the line a rugged winger who can win faceoffs, win battles and move the puck smartly. Line went 5-2 in five minutes against Hutton-Tanev, the Canucks top pairing.
  • Safin-Marody-Rattie went 10-5 in 8:55 (Rattie and Marody), 5-4 in 7:34 (Safin and Marody) and 4-1 (Benson-Marody-Puljujarvi) on a strong night for several youngsters. Safin was pedestrian but the possession number is good, Marody emerged in the final 40 minutes and looked quite good, and Rattie was splendid save for a third-period penalty 500 miles away from home. This was a good night for all three men, although Safin was sent out postgame.
  • Benson-McLeod-Yamamoto went 4-13 in 7:43, 2-6 in shots for. Most of the damage came during one shift against Gagner, I counted five Corsi’s and there might have been more. All that said, I thought all three youngsters did something the coach would like. Benson got caught a little early, but he simplified his game and was more effective second half. McLeod is a revelation, he won battles, sent the puck to safe places and even had a takeaway. Yamamoto, who played a lot of hockey in 30 hours, showed gumption, skill and speed again. Good arrows despite the math. I don’t think any of the three make the big club out of camp, but a fine showing in the last two games.
  • Caggiula-Brodziak-Kassian went 1-10 in 12:22, it was not a good night for a veteran line. Trio was 1-6 in shots, 0-4 in scoring chances. A mess. Caggiula played more than any forward 5-on-5 and a bunch of both special teams but I didn’t see a lot accomplished. Brodziak was good in the faceoff circle, worked hard on the PK. Kassian took a bad penalty and didn’t spend a lot of time with the puck beyond off the boards and out. All three men need to be better. Brodziak was 0-0 Corsi against the Horvat line, that’s a positive. Went 0-4 against Gagner’s group, 0-4 against Granlund and 0-2 against Pettersson. Quite a night. If I’m Caggiula, I hear footsteps.

CERTAIN OILERS

  • The depth chart looks far better with Darnell Nurse on left side blue.
  • Jujhar Khaira appears to have the early edge on Drake Caggiula for No. 3 left wing, an encouraging sign. I’m not certain we thought that to be true a month ago.
  • Jesse Puljujarvi and Ty Rattie helped themselves in a big way last night. It’s early, but not that early, in this year’s training camp.
  • Jakub Jerabek played last night but I didn’t get a feel for his game. I hope he plays again on Thursday.
  • Cam Talbot was fabulous.

UNCERTAIN OILERS

  • Kailer Yamamoto helped his cause with some fine play last night, including penalty killing work. He spent 3:49 on the 4-on-5, an interesting wrinkle.
  • Cooper Marody showed well, he has some nice things. I imagine he’ll get at least one more game before heading the Condors camp.
  • Keegan Lowe and Jason Garrison struggled last night, but should get at least one more game before being optioned out (and released in Garrison’s case).
  • Al Montoya had a good night, his star is on the rise. Edmonton will take three goalies across the pond, and as Jon Willis said on the Lowdown yesterday, we might see Koskinen optioned to Bakersfield if the organization feels he needs to get his feet planted in North America.

THE DISTANT BELLS

  • A giant pile of players were optioned out last night, Ostap Safin heading back to junior. His injury reduced playing time early and probably sealed his fate. Hopefully he gets traded to a stronger QMJHL team in the coming days.
  • Logan Day impressed the hell out of me.
  • Ryan McLeod is the lead story here, he and Evan Bouchard junior players still hanging around. McLeod’s presence on the roster as we prepare for fall is impressive.
  • Caleb Jones would be my top choice to move up to ‘uncertain’ from this list. He has accomplished a lot in this training camp.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A lot of chatter today, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Don’t forget the waiver wire, scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Last night’s game, and some emerging stories (McLeod, Puljujarvi, Rattie, etc).
  • Matt Sammon, Dir. of broadcasting for Tampa Bay Lightning. Is this the year for the Lightning to win it all?
  • Keegan Matheson, Baseball Toronto. The Jays are getting some good things from a train wreck season.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. This is the good stuff!

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156 Responses to "The Load-Out"

  1. Clarkenstein says:

    I’d do waivers on Caggiula. He may be TMac’s Toby Peterson.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Clarkenstein:
    I’d do waivers on Caggiula.He may be TMac’s Toby Peterson.

    Problem is he might be Chiarelli’s Toby Petersen.

  3. zatch says:

    Can someone please explain why this club seems so enamored with Drake? He’s…so damn mediocre. 4th line talent, and an unremarkable one at that level.

  4. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Clarkenstein:
    I’d do waivers on Caggiula.He may be TMac’s Toby Peterson.

    Is Rieder a LW or RW?

    I hope Yamo kicks ass the rest of pre-season and they run:

    RNH-97-Rattie
    Lucic-Drai-Yamo
    Rieder-Strome-Pulju
    Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian
    Aberg

    and waive Caggiula, which they will never do after pre-warding him with a $1.5Mx2 deal.

    (not my ideal lines, just what McL might run)

  5. TO10801 says:

    Clarkenstein:
    I’d do waivers on Caggiula.He may be TMac’s Toby Peterson.

    I just hope Upshall shows well so Drake can sit in the pressbox most nights.

  6. jtblack says:

    We are still searching for the Elusive Balance Photo …

    I don’t see true Balance until these players arrive full time:
    BOUCHARD
    YAMMY
    BENSON

    An effective Bouchard would give the RHD true Balance for the 1st time since …. …….

  7. npanciroli says:

    I would also waive Caggiula. Not good enough.

    LadiesloveSmid: Is Rieder a LW or RW?

    I hope Yamo kicks ass the rest of pre-season and they run:

    RNH-97-Rattie
    Lucic-Drai-Yamo
    Rieder-Strome-Pulju
    Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian
    Aberg

    and waive Caggiula, which they will never do after pre-warding him with a $1.5Mx2 deal.

    (not my ideal lines, just what McL might run)

    I really like these lines.

  8. defmn says:

    Puljujarvi, Talbot & Benning all having good games has to make everybody feel a little calmer for now.

    I wonder if any team has ever signed two PTO’s in the same year. Could both Kassian & Caggiula be in trouble?

  9. Primetime says:

    I think Drake’s biggest threat to ice time is Reider. For some reason, they see Drake as the Swiss Army Knife that fits in every situation but Toby will do it better and make them forget about the Drake.

    The real question again is Chia’s reasoning on the contract. If he wanted $1.5/year then you get one year to prove your worth. You value 2 year security more, then you take a lower salary. But to give him both? Very Russell-esque….

  10. jm363561 says:

    I did not watch the game but read the match reports at CoH, as usual, and, for the first time at Copper and Blue. Interesting difference of opinions (CoH comments first):

    Ty Rattie
    Named the game’s 1st Star, and well deserved it was.
    The problem is how useless he is in every other faucet (sic) of the game. He has no positional awareness unless it’s off the rush.

    Ryan Strome
    Was very good.
    He’s better than this, but that was an awful game.

    Matt Benning
    The Oilers best D-man
    This looked like mailing it in to me. No effort anywhere, and his play suffered badly.

    Agreement re Cam and JP being great, and Caggs not quite so great.

  11. deardylan says:

    jm363561,

    JM363561

    Like your summary. Would be interesting to see how different forums (humans) see the play and ratings of the players through their reality distortion lens after each game. Look forward to more of your posts.

  12. TO10801 says:

    I could live with:

    RNH-97-Rattie
    Lucic-Drai-Reider
    Khaira-Strome-Pulju
    Upshall-Brodziak-Kassian
    Chiasson – Caggiula

    That would means lots of competition all year. I would not surprised to see Aberg on waivers. Don’t get the sense TMac has much time for him.

  13. Woogie63 says:

    There is less flexibility around NCAA players, but I think it is telling that Quinn Hughes has gone back to school for more (free) development.

  14. godot10 says:

    zatch:
    Can someone please explain why this club seems so enamored with Drake? He’s…so damn mediocre. 4th line talent, and an unremarkable one at that level.

    He not a 4th line talent because isn’t defensively responsible and can’t PK. He is a top six offensive AHL forward.

  15. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Is Rieder in for Maroon the only notable change to the opening roster from a year ago?

    Man…

  16. godot10 says:

    defmn:
    Puljujarvi, Talbot & Benning all having good games has to make everybody feel a little calmer for now.

    I wonder if any team has ever signed two PTO’s in the same year. Could both Kassian & Caggiula be in trouble?

    They aren’t in trouble because the Oilers need them on the roster to get near the salary cap, so they can maximize the cap room gained from putting Sekera on LTIR. The upside of ridiculously overpaying bad hockey players.

    After coming back from Europe, they could be in trouble, when winning becomes important.

  17. Woogie63 says:

    zatch:
    Can someone please explain why this club seems so enamored with Drake? He’s…so damn mediocre. 4th line talent, and an unremarkable one at that level.

    We didn’t score enough goals last year and Drake got 13 of them. At this point the next man up is not better than Drake.

    He is young in his career,

    GP 127
    G 20
    A 18
    Pts 38
    PIM 53

  18. LMHF#1 says:

    zatch:
    Can someone please explain why this club seems so enamored with Drake? He’s…so damn mediocre. 4th line talent, and an unremarkable one at that level.

    He’s an AHL player…and they’re so enamored because this is what bad evaluators do…instead of analyzing, looking for talent, always upgrading even if it means moving on from someone and so on…they fixate. They don’t have player-types or result-types…they have players. He’s one of them and the Oilers have a ton of bad evaluators and a Coach that doesn’t reward merit or even potential.

    It is amazingly frustrating and also hasn’t changed in years.

    Comparing it to watching both my Yankees, but also the hated and other rivals such as the Red Sox, Cubs, Astros etc and their attitude toward talent upgrades is infuriating.

    “Hey, (blank) is coming and we can’t block him” “Yeah we could’ve acquired so-and-so but already have (blank) and he’s okay”….UGH!!! Always be upgrading and adding parts in case of need. This isn’t rocket science. Not even close.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Definitely a good game by Puljujarvi last night. He looked confident and ready to be more than a passenger.

    While his goal was somewhat weak on Nilsson, the cut-back move to open up the shooting lane was fantastic and not something I’m used to seeing from Jesse – he did it a couple other times throughout the game.

    Early times but our first look at Jesse is an up arrow.

  20. JimmyV1965 says:

    The game reports from Copper and Blue are fascinating. What I saw in the game is very similar to LTs report and the Cult. At Copper and Blue they had a completely different assessment. Says something about the eye test I guess.

    If there is agreement on anything it’s the Drake and Kassian. They were both awful. I’ve defended the Drake a lot in the offseason, but he was simply not good enough last night. Of course, I would never argue that we waive someone after one preseason game.

    I would save my harshest criticism for Kassian. I didn’t think he contributed to the PK at all and his 5 x 5 play was beyond pedestrian. If we can trade this guy, do it now before other teams figure it out.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    What was very important to me wasn’t the fact that Talbot made an incredible save but the fact that he didn’t let in any weak goals and, moreso, he looked comfortable and confident in the net – it didn’t seem like he was sliding around on his knees as much as last year, he was tracking the puck well and was swallowing up some tough shots (that changed direction) with no rebound.

    Its just one game, again, but an up arrow and the most important arrow we have.

  22. 106 and 106 says:

    WATCH THE WAIVER WIRE.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    I agree that Benning was the best d-man, followed by Russell – I guess that should have been expected given those are two legit NHL d-men.

    A very nice game by Benning, in particular paired with a struggling Garrison. As we all know, Benning is going to get the first shot at 2RD and its very important that he succeeds as it keeps Kris Russell (and other) down on the third pairing where they have better chances at success.

    Again, lets see how he does later in the preseason (and paired with Nurse).

    —————————–

    I liked Caleb Jones’ game, he does seem to have taken some steps from last year, however, at the same time, every game I see him play he gets beat off the rush once or twice so he clearly needs some more work in the AHL.

    ————————————–

    Jarabek was noticeably noticeable to me for the most part which is probably a good thing. He did see efficient at transitioning the puck (one great outlet on his backhand) but his boots were slow (except for one great backcheck off a turnover (Strome I think).

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Both Benson and Marody showed that they are “real prospects” – they battled, they made plays and they were noticeable – Benson more than Marody by my eye.

    They will both be shipped off to the AHL shortly and hopefully get the full year.

    I think next year we are talking about both those players as legit options for this hockey team.

    ————————————-

    The kid line had a few shifts where they were running around in their own zone but that should be expected given the age of the line.

    Yamamoto is one tenacious forechecker, that we knew.

    McLeod seems to be on the right side of pucks more than not and my goodness he can skate. Great performance by the youngster so far in camp. Hopefully he can get traded off of Mississauga as they are going to be terrible this year.

    Also, I think he will sign an ELC soon to take advantage of ELC slide opportunities.

  25. Side says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Is Rieder in for Maroon the only notable change to the opening roster from a year ago?

    Man…

    Having Brodziak, Upshall, Chiasson, Rieder competing for roster spots is a lot more comforting than the situation last year.

    I’m not hoping for major, notable roster changes, just more consistency from the existing roster.

    A healthy Klefbom, Larsson and more consistent Talbot should make a big difference alone, imo.

    And the goals on first shots and really bad start to the PK most likely won’t happen again, so that should also help with improving the season.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oh, yes, I should mention that Ty Rattie has a very nice game. He showed that he is a step above the youngster and maybe he is an NHL player without McDavid? I look for more in the later games but a good start for Ty – he impressed me and looked faster/quicker.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    I asked this yesterday but I don’t think I got an answer.

    I believe that the Oilers are going to be permitted to carry the extra goalie overseas for 24 bodies but I assume that 3rd goalie will not technically be on the roster and would not count against the cap.

    For example, on October 1 (which I believe is the date rosters need to be finalized), Montoya (presumably is waived and assigned to Bakersfield but still comes on the trip?

  28. dustrock says:

    I’ve never seen Cagguila as anything but a replacement level player.

    I’ve seen nothing to justify him being anywhere other than 4th line, although IIRC, he was decent at PP2 last year.

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  30. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    It sure feels nice to have a “kid line” that isn’t expected to anchor the future. Marinate them for next year.

    I need more Bouchard. Going through withdrawal already.

  31. russ99 says:

    How did the Brodziak line do on goals against and HDSCA vs. shots against? (i.e. less quality chances allowed)

    They’ll be the line that takes the most d-zone starts so they’ll often get caved on CF%, so that’s not especially reflective of their performance.

    We have the metrics, we need to use them. The game isn’t every line outshoot the opposition. It’s score more than the other team and some lines/players need to hold the opposition more than produce offensive chances.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Its all sunshine and roses in the pre-season but an article by Rob T. in the “paper” today about how Jesse feels much more comfortable this year – comfortable in Edmonton (love his apartment), comfortable with the language and hanging around his teammates, comfortable on the ice and with his linemates.

    Go Jesse.

  33. Bos8 says:

    And it’s still TMac – Puljujarvi gets twelve minutes. Just for something new and different, throw him out on the PK. Let him rambunct a little, let him yeehaw, do him a world of good. You’ve got Brodziak, let him mentor.

    No, it’s always tight rein. Do as I say or sit down.

  34. HT Joe says:

    dustrock:
    I’ve never seen Cagguila as anything but a replacement level player.

    I’ve seen nothing to justify him being anywhere other than 4th line, although IIRC, he was decent at PP2 last year.

    “He’s got good Italian blood lines”

    I’m only partially joking?

  35. jake70 says:

    Only saw first period. JP seemed to have some jump for sure. Aggressive forechecker…nice to see.

  36. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    LT: “JP’s goal was a little soft, but the power move to get clean air for the shot was big league”

    OP: “While his goal was somewhat weak on Nilsson, the cut-back move to open up the shooting lane was fantastic”

  37. Jaxon says:

    I’m still hoping RHD Justin Holl gets put on waivers. He’d be a great addition.

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    Bos8:
    And it’s still TMac – Puljujarvi gets twelve minutes.Just for something new and different, throw him out on the PK.Let him rambunct a little, let him yeehaw, do him a world of good.You’ve got Brodziak, let him mentor.

    No, it’s always tight rein.Do as I say or sit down.

    JP: A big, high skill, looking to be a career top 6 RW.

    Brodziak: The very definition of a grinding, do as coach says, bottom 6 fwd.

    You: TMac should let JP buck, give him his head. Let him go loco!

    Also you: Brodziak should mentor him in this. (Presumably because JP reminds you so much of a young, coltish Brodziak?)

    😉

  39. Melvis says:

    There’s only one thing the comments haven’t covered so far, so there’s little sense in a reiterated Samo. That said:

    I”ll bet the Woodguy bet on the game last night;-)

  40. dustrock says:

    106 and 106:
    WATCH THE WAIVER WIRE.

    Today? Tomorrow?

  41. Bos8 says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Brodziak is the top Oiler def forward, a lot of smarts and experience. Puljujarvi has shown def chops. In preseason check out possible attributes.

    TMac has ridden Puljujarvi hard for two years. Let him go a little, give him some free rein.

    Giving your top player twelve minutes is more guacamole

  42. GMB3 says:

    Bos8:
    Jethro Tull,

    Brodziak is the top Oiler def forward, a lot of smarts and experience.Puljujarvi has shown def chops.In preseason check out possible attributes.

    TMac has ridden Puljujarvi hard for two years.Let him go a little, give him some free rein.

    Giving your top player twelve minutes is more guacamole

    What?

  43. Bos8 says:

    GMB3: What?

    Which part didn’t you understand?

  44. Melvis says:

    There were any number of bumby spots along the way, but from an arty related perspective and after a long hiatus, a few joes and a few pros went a long way in soothing the inner beast.

    The boys and the men came out flying with quickness, speed and a sense of urgency in what amounts to a no account game. So I’m not gonna go all critical on what amounts to an appetizer.

  45. Jethro Tull says:

    Melvis:
    There were any number of bumby spots along the way, but from an arty related perspective and after a long hiatus, a few joes and a few pros went a long way in soothing the inner beast.

    The boys and the men came out flying withquickness, speed and a sense of urgency in what amounts to a no account game. So I’m not gonna go all critical on what amounts to an appetizer.

    If the appy tastes like hot garbage, do you stick around for the main course?

  46. stush18 says:

    I think we’re forgetting how early into the preseason we are, no? We see this every year, the vets get caved early in preseason.

    I didn’t catch much of the game, but Brodziaks line seemed to be going through the motions, and I think probably didn’t give a rats ass against an all-rookie VAN team that are playing with youthful exuberance.

    Most of these guys are playing just to get their timing back, and trying not to pull something.

  47. stush18 says:

    As for Cagguilla, I didn’t like the term added onto that contract, but let’s pump the brakes on declaring him an career AHLer.

    He was one of the best goal scorers on the oilers last year, and while he’s basically entering what I consider his prime, this is only his “2nd” full season. I think the only threat to Caguilla this year is Aberg.

    You can tell Rattie wants this. Working a lot harder than I would have expected, he obviously knows he has to cash this opportunity.

    Love how JP is starting to look like a man. Even in this picture he looks older than what I remember. He’s going to prove everyone wrong.

    We’re going to have some good players entering the team in the next few years. I’d keep the powder dry on trades for as long as possible.

  48. Bank Shot says:

    stush18:
    As for Cagguilla, I didn’t like the term added onto that contract, but let’s pump the brakes on declaring him an career AHLer.

    I thought he made an errant pass, and had a couple of penalty taking moments but otherwise had a decent game. Its like people are just ignoring anything positive he does now. He broke up a play at the line on the PK turned it back the other way and came a couple of inches away from scoring and not a peep about that.

    There isn’t even anything specific about which poor plays he made in the criticism so I don’t even know how to respond to it.

    Maybe the Oilers should sign Michael Cajkovsky. He went 25-2 in the corsis last night. Future superstar.

  49. OmJo says:

    stush18: As for Cagguilla, I didn’t like the term added onto that contract, but let’s pump the brakes on declaring him an career AHLer.

    He was one of the best goal scorers on the oilers last year, and while he’s basically entering what I consider his prime, this is only his “2nd” full season. I think the only threat to Caguilla this year is Aberg.

    His career should have began and stayed in the AHL until he proved himself an NHL player, which I don’t think he’s done yet myself.

    He’s just not that good, but is handed every opportunity to succeed by McLellan while he gives tough love to our prospects with the highest potential.

  50. Richard S.S. says:

    Five more games before they are in Europe. Final Roster decisions will be made during this time.
    Dylan Wells, Shane Starrett and Al Montoya are still with the Team. It is expected the Oilers will take three Goalies, but should they take 4?

  51. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    stush18:

    Most of these guys are playing just to get their timing back, and trying not to pull something.

    – The 3 word rule for NHL players in pre-season: DON’T GET HURT

    – Pre-season is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing (except the propensity of this team to fall in love with midgets who try real hard then they gift them roster spots based on small sample size: a la Kailer last year, and that Russian midget who never played a game in NHL)

  52. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    As per Reid Wilkins:

    Oilers D for most drills:
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Russell-Bouchard
    Jerabek-Bear

    I would not doubt that’s what they start the year with as well. My guess is that they dress 7 D and Jerabek would get some shifts on the 3rd pair.

    I really hope Nurse-Benning can do in a 2nd pair role what they did in a 3rd pair role.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid is seeing some time on the right half wall in addition to the left hall wall in practice today.

    As anticipated, Vivereos’ systems will not be stagnant.

  54. Melvis says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Yeah but, as the old man used to say….

    He was astride a 40mil Bofers overlooking the harbour in Halifax around about ’40.

    He and his crew, being degenerate gamblers, would sneak out of barracks for a weekend of poker and blackjack before sneaking back in. Woe betide the clown that got caught AWOL by the shore patrol.

    A few weeks in the hole on a bread and water diet and a good flogging or two thrown in for dessert.

    Coming out, the ass end of a goat looked palatable.

    I try to keep that in mind between April and September.

  55. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    As per Reid Wilkins:

    Oilers D for most drills:
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Russell-Bouchard
    Jerabek-Bear

    I would not doubt that’s what they start the year with as well.My guess is that they dress 7 D and Jerabek would get some shifts on the 3rd pair.

    I really hope Nurse-Benning can do in a 2nd pair role what they did in a 3rd pair role.

    This is the best viwepoint of the Oilers D corps of 2019-2020, but also the one they may travel to Europe with.

    Even if Bear and Bouchard get sent away in October, they’re part of the group going forward, and perpaps management feels they should be part of the overseas experience.

  56. hunter1909 says:

    Melvis: There were any number of bumby spots along the way, but from an arty related perspective and after a long hiatus, a few joes and a few pros went a long way in soothing the inner beast.

    Do you mean the Oilers?

    They’re a modern art masterpiece.

  57. Melvis says:

    hunter1909,

    They’re a post modern masterpiece stuck between deconstruction and zombie formalism. Next year, baby.

  58. Paddy Morans Jockstrap says:

    Sure Caggiulla scored 9 ES goals last year, but he had significant minutes with some guy named McDavid, and he gave up way more. ES GF-GA for the likely 4th line wingers last year:

    Caggilua 27-40
    Kassian 22-32
    Upshall 21-22
    Chiasson 22-25

    I’d be more comfortable with a 4th line veteran line whose primary job is play boring hockey and not losing us hockey games. Our 4th line lost us plenty last year which is inexcusable. Both Cags and Kass are in trouble or should be.

  59. Ryan says:

    Paddy Morans Jockstrap:
    Sure Caggiulla scored 9 ES goals last year, but he had significant minutes with some guy named McDavid, and he gave up way more. ES GF-GA for the likely 4th line wingers last year:

    Caggilua 27-40
    Kassian 22-32
    Upshall 21-22
    Chiasson 22-25

    I’d be more comfortable with a 4th line veteran line whose primary job is play boring hockey and not losing us hockey games. Our 4th line lost us plenty last year which is inexcusable. Both Cags and Kass are in trouble or should be.

    Both Kassian and Drake have poor penalty differentials.

  60. Darth Tu says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I hope you’re correct on the 7 d-man thing, only so I can say I was right too! At this point I’m hoping that Cags is the odd-man out forward that has to sit to allow the extra D man to dress.

  61. Paddy Morans Jockstrap says:

    Ryan: Both Kassian and Drake have poor penalty differentials.

    I have plenty of time for Kass but he can’t play like this as it costs goals and games. Cant afford to watch the 4th line give back positive GF generated by the top 6.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    jm363561:
    I did not watch the game but read the match reports at CoH, as usual, and, for the first time at Copper and Blue. Interesting difference of opinions (CoH comments first):

    Crazy busy day so I’ve only had a chance to skim Patrick’s comments at C&B (but read CoH’s bright and early while at the gym this morning) and, even though I contribute to C&B I do have to say I disagree quite a bit with most of Patrick’s analysis.

  63. jtblack says:

    “Oilers D for most drills:
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Russell-Bouchard
    Jerabek-Bear”

    This damn near looks like Balance. 4 LEFT. 4 RIGHT. HOLY SH*T!!!!!!! Even if it takes 1 year to get there permanently, and even if it took 4 years for PC to do it; it seems the Balance Photo may be coming into view. Certainly on the D core!

  64. Thorin says:

    Melvis:
    Jethro Tull,

    Yeah but, as the old man used to say….

    He was astride a 40mil Bofers overlooking the harbour in Halifaxaroundabout ’40.

    He and his crew, being degenerate gamblers, would sneak out of barracks for a weekend of poker and blackjack before sneaking back in. Woe betide the clown that got caught AWOL by the shore patrol.

    A few weeks in the hole on a bread and water diet and a good flogging or two thrown in for dessert.

    Coming out, the ass end of a goat looked palatable.

    I try to keep that in mind between April and September.

    I just need to take a minute to applaud this post. Succinct yet paints a vivid picture, a masterpiece of word choice.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    TO10801:
    I could live with:

    RNH-97-Rattie
    Lucic-Drai-Reider
    Khaira-Strome-Pulju
    Upshall-Brodziak-Kassian
    Chiasson – Caggiula

    That would means lots of competition all year. I would not surprised to see Aberg on waivers. Don’t get the sense TMac has much time for him.

    I think this is the likely starting 14 (subject to injury) except only one of the PTOs will be signed and Aberg will be on the roster.

    One caveat: If Bouchard breaks camp with the team, I think they may go with 8D and 13F and keep Gravel (and Jarabek).

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    LT:“JP’s goal was a little soft, but the power move to get clean air for the shot was big league”

    OP:“While his goal was somewhat weak on Nilsson, the cut-back move to open up the shooting lane was fantastic”

    I’m not sure what you are getting at with this post? I wrote my thoughts on JP after reading the opening paragraph of the blog – good to see that my thoughts lined up with what LT wrote later in the blog.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    As per Reid Wilkins:

    Oilers D for most drills:
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Russell-Bouchard
    Jerabek-Bear

    I would not doubt that’s what they start the year with as well.My guess is that they dress 7 D and Jerabek would get some shifts on the 3rd pair.

    I really hope Nurse-Benning can do in a 2nd pair role what they did in a 3rd pair role.

    I like the starting 6 (perhaps with Jarabek as 3RD as opposed to Bouchard).

    Both Bear and Bouchard on the roster?

    I can’t see it but you never know.

  68. Richard S.S. says:

    Goalies:
    Cam Talbot, Mikko Koskinen – (2)
    Defense:
    Oscar Klefbom, Adam Larsson;
    Darnell Nurse, Matthew Benning;
    Kris Russell, Evan Bouchard;
    Jakub Jerabek, Ethan Bear – (8/10)
    Offense:
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Connor McDavid, Ty Rattie;
    Milan Lucic, Leon Draisaitl, Tobias Rieder;
    Jujhar Khaira, Ryan Strome, Jesse Puljujarvi;
    Drake Caggiula, Kyle Brodziak, Zack Kassian;
    Pontas Aberg ——————- (13/23)
    PTO; Scottie Upshall,
    PTO: Alex Chaisson,
    PTO: Jason Garrison.

    Alex Chaisson is basically Zack Kassian. Each does a thing or two the other doesn’t. Alex is cheaper. Scottie Upshall could replace either Aberg or Caggiula. The Cap is not an issue until the Start of the Season and only two Preseason games have been played. Way too much can still happen yet.

  69. hunter1909 says:

    “I’ve got an idea! Let’s overpay our lower players, so when we finally trade them we receive big cap space!” MacT

    “Motion carried!” Kevin Lowe

    lol

  70. Abbeef says:

    I find it interesting how Caggiula is spit upon and Aberg is lauded at this site and among a lot of the commenters.

    When I watch the games I see it opposite. Aberg floats around useless for the majority of the game and might jump on an opportunity to get points every once in a while. The points he gets don’t come near often enough to justify the uselessness for the other 90% of the game, Brett Hull he is not. Caggiula on the other hand works his butt off, forechecks well and gets similar production to Aberg at a similar age. This must be a fancy stat argument for Aberg as my eyes tell me he has done nothing to warrant staying in the NHL.

    I’d be fine being wrong about Aberg but he needs to light a fire under himself IMO.

  71. McSorley33 says:

    jtblack,

    I don’t see true Balance until these players arrive full time:
    BOUCHARD
    YAMMY
    BENSON

    An effective Bouchard would give the RHD true Balance for the 1st time since …. …….
    **************************************************************************************
    I am going to throw McLeod in there and say I am on your page…

  72. Professor Q says:

    McSorley33:
    jtblack,

    I don’t see true Balance until these players arrive full time:
    BOUCHARD
    YAMMY
    BENSON

    An effective Bouchard would give the RHD true Balance for the 1st time since …. …….
    **************************************************************************************
    I am going to throw McLeod in there and say I am on your page…

    Don’t forget Bear, either.

  73. Ribs says:

    hunter1909:
    “I’ve got an idea! Let’s overpay our lower players, so when we finally trade them we receive big cap space!” MacT

    “Motion carried!” Kevin Lowe

    lol

    “I think we should trade this Buyout guy. He does nothing for us.” Wayne

  74. PennersPancakes says:

    Paddy Morans Jockstrap,

    +1. A complete overhaul of the 4th line probably adds a few more wins. Look at this upgrade at center. I mean Brodziak didn’t play 4th line all year but still.

    Brodziak 38-29
    Letestu 18-34

  75. PennersPancakes says:

    Abbeef: I’d be fine being wrong about Aberg but he needs to light a fire under himself IMO.

    Fair. Consistency/effort seem to look like the underlying issue. The main issue I find with the eye test is sort of your example with Caggiula. To me it looks like he is always busy, but busy doing nothing. Sort of like how some skaters have such a natural and efficient stride they look “lazy” but are skating just as fast as the ugly choppy skater who instead gets praised as a work horse/warrior.

    In Abergs case it seems possible to get more out of him with some changes (who knows) but if Caggs is giving it 110% and still a net negative, what more can you ask?

  76. hunter1909 says:

    Ribs: “I think we should trade this Buyout guy. He does nothing for us.”Wayne

    Wayne and brother Keith, plus Coffey(Paul) provide me with the slender hope I need to imagine there are brighter days ahead.

    Lowe+MacT, not so much.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    PennersPancakes: if Caggs is giving it 110% and still a net negative, what more can you ask?

    You can ask him to brush up on his Bakersfield bus schedules.

  78. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide: Problem is he might be Chiarelli’s Toby Petersen.

    LT I almost always find myself in agreement with you but not on this one. As far as I have been able to tell Caggiula is part of a disconnect GM and Coach. I can not in good conscience understand why he gets PP time over other more qualified players. Yes he tries hard but so do steers and they are not left to inseminate the herd! It would seem our coach is the only one who sees him as more than a fourth line replacement player!t

  79. Drew says:

    Abbeef:
    I find it interesting how Caggiula is spit upon and Aberg is lauded at this site and among a lot of the commenters.

    When I watch the games I see it opposite.Aberg floats around useless for the majority of the game and might jump on an opportunity to get points every once in a while.The points he gets don’t come near often enough to justify the uselessness for the other 90% of the game, Brett Hull he is not.Caggiula on the other hand works his butt off, forechecks well and gets similar production to Aberg at a similar age.This must be a fancy stat argument for Aberg as my eyes tell me he has done nothing to warrant staying in the NHL.

    I’d be fine being wrong about Aberg but he needs to light a fire under himself IMO.

    Might be the Ryan Jones fallacy occurring, see Woodguy and take a couple of analytics.

  80. Pescador says:

    Abbeef:
    I find it interesting how Caggiula is spit upon and Aberg is lauded at this site and among a lot of the commenters.

    When I watch the games I see it opposite.Aberg floats around useless for the majority of the game and might jump on an opportunity to get points every once in a while.The points he gets don’t come near often enough to justify the uselessness for the other 90% of the game, Brett Hull he is not.Caggiula on the other hand works his butt off, forechecks well and gets similar production to Aberg at a similar age.This must be a fancy stat argument for Aberg as my eyes tell me he has done nothing to warrant staying in the NHL.

    I’d be fine being wrong about Aberg but he needs to light a fire under himself IMO.

    There might be something to this,
    Caggulia does go for broke most every shift, I believe he suffered rom 2 things last season:
    1. Being asked to play to high in the line up against He should never play above 3rd line comp.
    2. Team was shit defensively last year, lots of negative fancy’s to go around.
    Aberg is inconsistent

  81. Pescador says:

    Drew: Might be the Ryan Jones fallacy occurring, see Woodguy and take a couple of analytics.

    Don’t take on an empty stomach

  82. pts2pndr says:

    Woogie63: We didn’t score enough goals last year and Drake got 13 of them.At this point the next man up is not better than Drake.

    He is young in his career,

    He also got power play time and played with Connor. Can you say gifted time with offensive centers. Given his ice time! Given the players he played with less than 20 goals was a fail. Note his lines also gave up more than they got! Yes he works hard and does as the coach says and folds his hands just right!
    GP 127
    G 20
    A 18
    Pts 38
    PIM 53

  83. Ribs says:

    hunter1909: Wayne and brother Keith, plus Coffey(Paul) provide me with the slender hope I need to imagine there are brighter days ahead.

    Lowe+MacT, not so much.

    Ah, I thought we were going for a Red Wine Summit type thing, haha.

    To each his own. I like all of those guys 🙂

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    With respect to the defence and balance, at some point, we may have to curb the rightorium with Berglund and Persson coming over next season.

    Persson if he is re-signed, he’s an RFA and we still don’t know if last year was a one-off – his four points in four Champions Hockey League games is a good start.

    Berglund, from accounts, is playing wonderfully early (3 points in 4 CHL games plus 1G/1A in the first SHL game – and he’s more than just offence, playing top pairing minutes).

  85. hunter1909 says:

    Ribs: Ah, I thought we were going for a Red Wine Summit type thing, haha.

    To each his own. I like all of those guys

    Lowe+MacT both have their good points.

  86. Paddy Morans Jockstrap says:

    pts2pndr: LT I almost always find myself in agreement with you but not on this one. As far as I have been able to tell Caggiula is part of a disconnect GM and Coach. I can not in good conscience understand why he gets PP time over other more qualified players. Yes he tries hard but so do steers and they are not left to inseminate the herd! It would seem our coach is the only one who sees him as more than a fourth line replacement player!t

    GM might have to trade Peña to force coach to play Hatteburg again this season. TMac’s blind love of Letestu last season was very damaging and you hope that does not happen again. A lot of peple (me included) would be thrilled to trade Cagiulla for a 3rd round pick. You drive the guy to the airport if someone gives you a low second. He’s a game rooster but that counts for squat if you give up more on defense than you produce on offense, and Caggiulla would need to be a 20 goal scorer to come close to breaking even.

  87. Ryan says:

    Stolen from Gregor at Oilersnation:

    “Trent Yawney is preaching more up ice passes and fewer D to D. I am interested to see how Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson adapt. Both can pass, but last year I felt they went to the safety outlet (partner) too often rather than move it up. Kris Russell was also guilty of this. Russell is very quick, and Yawney has been encouraging him to use his speed to get in position to make passes up the ice. In theory, this should also eliminate the large gaps between the D-men and forwards that we saw far too often last season. The two groups were frequently on the wrong page. Too often the extra pass would cause a forward who was circling back and heading up ice to be too far ahead of the play, and the D would have no outlet. They would force it and it would lead to a turnover, or they would just dump it out and lose possession

    Like the sound of this…

  88. hunter1909 says:

    Good points MacT – hard to think of many. I’m part Scottish and if MacT were from the village my ancestors are from he’d be the butt of many cruel jokes, seeing as the Scots are a cruel tribe. Even his curly hair would be taken into consideration, along with his glasses+lack of intelligence. He’d be good working at the local filling station in a non-management capacity. Pump jockeying he’d be very good at.

    Good points Lowe – easier than the other guy. I’m also part Irish and understand that former stand up guy Lowe has turned bitter in his middle to present age. Prongergate did the damage. You can see how Katz simply cannot bear to take KLowe to the vet’s. If you see what I mean.

    Kevin was a great player, and warrior for the Oilers(unless he was running off to NY to play with Big Moose), who should have gone the way of the EIG. I am probably the only Lowetide type who thinks/hopes his son will end up playing for the Oilers. Good family tree there.

  89. Jethro Tull says:

    Ryan:
    Stolen from Gregor at Oilersnation:

    “Trent Yawney is preaching more up ice passes and fewer D to D. I am interested to see how Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson adapt. Both can pass, but last year I felt they went to the safety outlet (partner) too often rather than move it up. Kris Russell was also guilty of this. Russell is very quick, and Yawney has been encouraging him to use his speed to get in position to make passes up the ice. In theory, this should also eliminate the large gaps between the D-men and forwards that we saw far too often last season. The two groups were frequently on the wrong page. Too often the extra pass would cause a forward who was circling back and heading up ice to be too far ahead of the play, and the D would have no outlet. They would force it and it would lead to a turnover, or they would just dump it out and lose possession

    Like the sound of this…

    The Rusty Reset!

  90. Primetime says:

    pts2pndr: LT I almost always find myself in agreement with you but not on this one. As far as I have been able to tell Caggiula is part of a disconnect GM and Coach. I can not in good conscience understand why he gets PP time over other more qualified players. Yes he tries hard but so do steers and they are not left to inseminate the herd! It would seem our coach is the only one who sees him as more than a fourth line replacement player!t

    If Chia didn’t believe in him too, why $1.5 x 2? He definitely sees him as more than a 4th line winger, and certainly didn’t sign him to that salary to sit in the press box

  91. workaroundaccount says:

    The roster looks horrific, but I guess you never know.

  92. jp says:

    pts2pndr: LT I almost always find myself in agreement with you but not on this one. As far as I have been able to tell Caggiula is part of a disconnect GM and Coach. I can not in good conscience understand why he gets PP time over other more qualified players. Yes he tries hard but so do steers and they are not left to inseminate the herd! It would seem our coach is the only one who sees him as more than a fourth line replacement player!t

    Well the GM gave him the 2 yrs X 1.5M contract. It’s not just the coach.

    Edit: missed Primetime’s comment saying same

  93. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I asked this yesterday but I don’t think I got an answer.

    I believe that the Oilers are going to be permitted to carry the extra goalie overseas for 24 bodies but I assume that 3rd goalie will not technically be on the roster and would not count against the cap.

    For example, on October 1 (which I believe is the date rosters need to be finalized), Montoya (presumably is waived and assigned to Bakersfield but still comes on the trip?

    I was wondering same but regarding waivers. So much easier to pass through as part of the crowd at the end of camp vs all alone once the Oilers return from Europe.

  94. hunter1909 says:

    workaroundaccount:
    The roster looks horrific, but I guess you never know.

    connor mcdavid

    connor mcdavid

    Having McDavid is like having 2 of the very best players from literally any team in the league not called the Penguins. Say, Doughty and Ovechkin because folks we Oiler fans have got the 2018 equivalent of Bobby freaking Orr playing centre instead of defence.

    Call me crazy, call me anything but great teams most of the time start from zero – something the Oilers are expert in.

  95. godot10 says:

    Ryan:
    Stolen from Gregor at Oilersnation:

    “Trent Yawney is preaching more up ice passes and fewer D to D. I am interested to see how Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson adapt. Both can pass, but last year I felt they went to the safety outlet (partner) too often rather than move it up. Kris Russell was also guilty of this. Russell is very quick, and Yawney has been encouraging him to use his speed to get in position to make passes up the ice. In theory, this should also eliminate the large gaps between the D-men and forwards that we saw far too often last season. The two groups were frequently on the wrong page. Too often the extra pass would cause a forward who was circling back and heading up ice to be too far ahead of the play, and the D would have no outlet. They would force it and it would lead to a turnover, or they would just dump it out and lose possession

    Like the sound of this…

    McLellan could have just read the blog comments here last year. We told him so. Hopefully the Russell Reset is history also.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jets projected lineup for tomorrow which structure is somewhat similar to what we iced last night as far as NHL/non-NHL mix:

    https://twitter.com/WpgJetsPR/status/1042504512387407872

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    workaroundaccount:
    The roster looks horrific, but I guess you never know.

    Disagree!

  98. jp says:

    workaroundaccount:
    The roster looks horrific, but I guess you never know.

    hunter1909: connor mcdavid

    connor mcdavid

    Having McDavid is like having 2 of the very best players from literally any team in the league not called the Penguins. Say, Doughty and Ovechkin because folks we Oiler fans have got the 2018 equivalent of Bobby freaking Orr playing centre instead of defence.

    Call me crazy, call me anything but great teams most of the time start from zero – something the Oilers are expert in.

    Also, FWIW Pronman is pretty high on the Oilers under 23 talent. There’s a chance this team gets somewhere before too long.

  99. hunter1909 says:

    jp:
    Also, FWIW Pronman is pretty high on the Oilers under 23 talent. There’s a chance this team gets somewhere before too long.

    Don’t read smut so cannot comment, but aside from Bouchard/JP what have they really got?

  100. Bank Shot says:

    pts2pndr: LT I almost always find myself in agreement with you but not on this one. As far as I have been able to tell Caggiula is part of a disconnect GM and Coach. I can not in good conscience understand why he gets PP time over other more qualified players. Yes he tries hard but so do steers and they are not left to inseminate the herd! It would seem our coach is the only one who sees him as more than a fourth line replacement player!t

    I dunno.

    Caggiula had a better relative corsi than Pouliot in 16/17, scored at a better rate, and had worse line mates but some people were still upset that Pouliot was bought out.

    Some of the same fans that were fine with Pouliot’s $4 million are upset by Caggiula making $1.5 million.

    I think fans get upset that Caggiula has gotten some of the chances that they feel their favorite bubble/tweener guy should have gotten and that drives some resentment towards him.

    I don’t see the problem with him in the bottom six.

    Who are you going to go out and sign for less than $1.5 million that is going to be a bigger difference maker?

  101. Paddy Morans Jockstrap says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jets projected lineup for tomorrow which structure is somewhat similar to what we iced last night as far as NHL/non-NHL mix:

    https://twitter.com/WpgJetsPR/status/1042504512387407872

    Will be interesting to compare Yamamoto (a fine prospect) with Vesalainen (who I wanted and was selected 2 spots later by the Jets.

  102. tileguy says:

    LT said “Hopefully he gets traded to a stronger QMJHL team in the coming days.”
    Who decides that? Do NHL teams influence these decisions? I remember Draisaitl getting traded to Kelowna fairly easy, just how does this work?

  103. Andy Dufresne says:

    24 hour rule has passed,

    Pronman ranked all NHL teams based on “23 and under” talent. Pro and Amatuer combined.

    I said yesterday he had the Oilers in the top half of his rankings. (24 hour rule was still in effect)

    Pronman ranks Oilers………..

    #1 Numero Uno, Eins, Yksi, Ett…….

  104. jp says:

    hunter1909: Don’t read smut so cannot comment, but aside from Bouchard/JP what have they really got?

    The under 23 list includes NHLers too, so a lot. McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse in addition to JP and Bouchard. Yamamoto if you like that sort of thing. Pronman lists the organization top 10 under 23, the rest are McLeod, Benson, Bear, Marody.

    I know you don’t read smut, but if you change your mind: https://theathletic.com/528780/2018/09/18/pronman-ranking-nhl-teams-by-their-u23-core/

  105. Melvis says:

    tileguy:
    LT said “Hopefully he gets traded to a stronger QMJHL team in the coming days.”
    Who decides that? Do NHL teams influence these decisions? I remember Draisaitl getting traded to Kelowna fairly easy, just how does this work?

    I’m curious about that as well. Drai to Kelowna “at the behest of the Emonton Oilers”, as someone put it at the time. Same thing with Morrissey. Pre Xmas 2014 with the Raiders, post Xmas in Kelowna.

    And Kelowna took the western WHL in 2015. What gives?

  106. Melvis says:

    I mean does the drafting org, post initial signing contract, hold some sort of rights to where their picks develop in Junior?

  107. Pescador says:

    hunter1909:
    Good points MacT – hard to think of many. I’m part Scottish and if MacT were from the village my ancestors are from he’d be the butt of many cruel jokes, seeing as the Scots are a cruel tribe. Even his curly hair would be taken into consideration, along with his glasses+lack of intelligence. He’d be good working at the local filling station in a non-management capacity. Pump jockeying he’d be very good at.

    Haha, MacT is not stupid,
    No offence Hunter but if the two of you were back in the Highlands at your ancestral village, MacT would unequivocally be in charge of you and whatever Bagpipe cleaning, Goat husbandry job you had;
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=goats+mating+videos+youtube&&view=detail&mid=6B80D501BD80D04FF6BB6B80D501BD80D04FF6BB&&FORM=VRDGAR

  108. Bank Shot says:

    Melvis: I’m curious about that as well. Drai toKelowna “at the behest of the Emonton Oilers”, as someone put it at the time. Same thing with Morrissey. Pre Xmas 2014 with the Raiders, post Xmas in Kelowna.

    And Kelowna took the western WHL in 2015. What gives?

    Prince Alberta wasn’t going anywhere. Edmonton probably made it clear that Draisaitl would be back in the NHL in the fall so it makes sense for Prince Albert to trade him for futures.

    That’s a pretty common cycle in juniors. Contending teams often pick up 5-6 players.

  109. tileguy says:

    Bank Shot,

    So what you are saying is that NHL teams use a form of blackmail to get the player traded. Make a trade or we will not send this player down and screw our own team as well. Nope, not buying that.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    LT said “Hopefully he gets traded to a stronger QMJHL team in the coming days.”
    Who decides that? Do NHL teams influence these decisions? I remember Draisaitl getting traded to Kelowna fairly easy, just how does this work?

    The junior teams are independent from the NHL and the NHL organizations and, of course, have complete autonomy to manage their players with respect to trades. With that said, I do think NHL teams can have influence although I would posit that the Oilers have much more influence with WHL teams than teams from the Q.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Melvis:
    I mean does the drafting org, post initial signing contract,hold some sort of rights to where their picks develop in Junior?

    I believe the answer to this question is no – they may have influence but no technical right to the decision.

  112. Bank Shot says:

    tileguy:
    Bank Shot,

    So what you are saying is that NHL teams use a form of blackmail to get the player traded. Make a trade or we will send this player down and screw our own team as well. Nope, not buying that.

    No. I’m saying its in everyone’s best interest to trade a star player that won’t be back to junior if your team isn’t likely to make the playoffs or make any noise.

    There are teams like London that are always good, and there are a bunch of other teams that go through pretty short rebuild/contend cycles. You only get 3-4 seasons of your best players in junior.

  113. Melvis says:

    Bank Shot,

    That’s a reasonable response, but then the Jets call up and suggest the same thing? Morrissey went to the AHL Moose after Kelowna went to the Memorial Cup with him on board. Drai and Morrissey, in some sort of standard trade, would have cleaned Kelowna out – all things being even. I’m too lazy to look it up, but the Raiders didn’t profit much as a result.

    I just find it a bit strange.

  114. YKOil says:

    For me Rattie has been always been pretty one dimensional – decent on the rush with some offensive instinct and skill to complement and then little else. IF he really has added an effective forechecking element to his game then his value as an NHL player almost doubles imo, at least when playing with a guy like McDavid anyways.

    I guess we can worry about his 200 ft game another day.

  115. Melvis says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks. I’m beginning to believe they have “significant” influence. The Raiders sport about the lowest attendance figures in the WHL. The machinations don’t help at all. I’m also under the impression the Raiders don’t have a principal owner. Apparently they’re a “community based” team.

    Ergo. The GM and the coaching staff hold sway in the decisions. And some sort of quid pro quo is probably in play. Now where’s Dave Manson? Working his way up the ladder.

  116. Melvis says:

    Not that I’m into conspiracy theories;-)

  117. oilersjo says:

    Prince Albert made the deal because they realized because of how screwed up Cory Clouston had the team. He was thankfully replaced by Marc Habshied but the damage had been done. The pay
    back is we have a young team with skill this year and next.

  118. Bank Shot says:

    Melvis:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks. I’m beginning to believe they have “significant” influence. The Raiders sport about the lowest attendance figures in the WHL. The machinations don’thelp at all. I’m also under the impression the Raiders don’t have a principal owner. Apparently they’re a “community based” team.

    Ergo. The GM and the coaching staff hold sway in the decisions. And some sort of quid pro quo is probably in play. Now where’s Dave Manson? Working his way up the ladder.

    Well for sure there is some greasy stuff going on in junior hockey. It wouldn’t surprise me if NHL clubs strong arm teams. The Oilers wouldn’t have any qualms against that judging by their past.

    One thing that stinks is the gentlemen’s agreement that sons of former NHLers only get drafted by their home city.

  119. OilSlickster says:

    I hope Ostap gets traded to my Mooseheads for a run at the Memorial Cup 🙂

  120. OilSlickster says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    This lineup i like alot !!

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    Bank Shot,

    So what you are saying is that NHL teams use a form of blackmail to get the player traded. Make a trade or we will not send this player down and screw our own team as well. Nope, not buying that.

    I think its fairly established that the Oilers were not sending Leon back to play with the Raiders and waited until PA was able to consummate the deal with Kelowna.

  122. Washingtron says:

    How old were Murphy, Graves and gelinas when they were the kid line? I know I could look it up but i’m Getting drunk at the airport instead.

  123. hunter1909 says:

    Pescador,

    I get it. Some people think he’s smart. You’re one of them.

    lol

  124. OilSlickster says:

    Woogie63,

    Horrible numbers, thanks for posting. Now i feel even less inclined to have him on the team. I find it hard enough already watching him out there on the ice.

  125. slopitch says:

    Pescador,

    Haha well played Pescador.

    MacT is a tough mofo who was the last to not wear a helmet. He’d also likely still makes most 35-50 year old women weak kneed as he steps in a room. The guy is a fox and would definitely be king of the a village. Do you know how many readers here would give there left nut to be volunteer 4th in command NHL GMs? Prob a few ha. There is something to be said for even being close to that inner circle whether you are a good GM or the best a convincing the owner to give you a shot. I like MacT and KLo but I dont want them making hockey decisions anymore (like a Flyers fan would say about Bobby Clark). As a long time Oilers fan I can appreciate their overall body of work mostly due to their abilities on the ice.

  126. jm363561 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    24 hour rule has passed,

    Pronman ranked all NHL teams based on “23 and under” talent. Pro and Amatuer combined.

    I said yesterday he had the Oilers in the top half of his rankings. (24 hour rule was still in effect)

    Pronman ranks Oilers………..

    #1Numero Uno, Eins, Yksi,

    =======

    I have said it before and, just like OP, I will repeat myself ….. 2021 baby.

  127. digger50 says:

    I was really pleased to see ty Rattie out there without Connor and Nuge.

    While Connor makes everyone better, he can also make them
    Look worse. Suddenly a guy looks slower, not as good with the puck etc – it’s the same guy, he’s just being measured next to Connor!!

    Nice to see Ty have a good game on his own, hope he gets another game in.

  128. digger50 says:

    Maybe we see a game with Strome at 1RW and McLeod at 3C. They are really high on McLeod, I think they want to see a little more in pre-season.

  129. Melvis says:

    oilersjo,

    Although Clouston is one of the few coaches whose been better at snakes than ladders over the course of his career, he went 41-41-3 in a very short tenure with Raiders. And he was there in 2014, while losing Drai and Morrissey to Kelowna. So just how bad was he?

    Meanwhile Habscheid (originally drafted by the Oilers) – has gone 81-87 in the last three seasons. Granted, they made the playoffs last year.

    Although I don’t have any skin in this game, I’m still smelling rats.

  130. Pescador says:

    hunter1909:
    Pescador,

    I get it. Some people think he’s smart. You’re one of them.

    lol

    haha sorry man, it wasn’t really meant as a pot shot.
    just a little levity,
    He’s probably somewhere between really smart & boarder line halfwit, like the rest of us

  131. Pescador says:

    Washingtron:
    How old were Murphy, Graves and gelinas when they were the kid line?I know I could look it up but i’m Getting drunk at the airport instead.

    Strong decision

  132. workaroundaccount says:

    OriginalPouzar: Disagree!

    Gonna try to keep the pessimism to a minimum this season. There’s a reason they play the games

  133. Jaxon says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    24 hour rule has passed,

    Pronman ranked all NHL teams based on “23 and under” talent. Pro and Amatuer combined.

    I said yesterday he had the Oilers in the top half of his rankings. (24 hour rule was still in effect)

    Pronman ranks Oilers………..

    #1Numero Uno, Eins, Yksi, Ett…….

    I would think they’d rank pretty high on an under 26 team, as well. They could add
    Klefbom, Larsson, Nugent-Hopkins, Rattie, and Strome (and a few others)

  134. Jaxon says:

    Any chance the Oilers sign Ryan Sproul away from Calgary? I wouldn’t mind him getting a shot in Edmonton.

  135. digger50 says:

    That was a real cheap shot by Domi today against Ekblad I believe. I think he broke his nose. Type of shit the vets try to avoid.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Will be curious to find out the lineup for tonight’s game. Will probably see one of the top 2 lines but will we see both?

    Assuming me see the Swedish D pair in action but will we see Darnell and Benning?

    Guessing the rookie pro goalie duo will play.

    All just guesses.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    Maybe we see a game with Strome at 1RW and McLeod at 3C. They are really high on McLeod, I think they want to see a little more in pre-season.

    He’ll probably get another game but he’ll be assigned to Missisauga before the weekend I would think.

    Its mind-boggling to me that there are Oiler fans that think he should get actual regular season NHL games based on his rookie camp performance and one preseason game against a middling lineup.

    This is a perfect example of putting too much in to the early preseason games. They can provide some nice evaluation information but essentially are meaningless as far as NHL readiness.

    I do believe he will get signed to a contract shortly in order to provide the ability to take full advantage of the slide rules over the next few years – signing age matters.

  138. Wilde says:

    You know, if the plan is to run 98 on the third unit that’s not really so bad. I wouldn’t do it, but there’s worse things that could be done.

    Here’s what I hope, though:

    – That the results that we could draw up as reasonable from the point we’re standing right now won’t spook or spoil the Oilers org’s views on the player. This happened just last year with Ryan Strome, if you’re not putting him with McDavid you can’t expect production out of character for a mid-twenties, but it’s evident they did from the verbal around Christmas time, with some pondering if Strome would even last to the point I’m writing this right now. If you’re deploying the player, an established player, in the same place he was on his last team and expecting production above his established level you may not have a reasonable amount of respect for the team you acquired him from. And so, if you’re putting Puljujarvi with Strome all year, don’t expect 50+ points. It’s not to say don’t expect a good year, but the reason there’d be other picks from his draft outpacing him is largely due to opportunity.

    – You’d better be sure the top two right-wings are set, because otherwise the blender will begin in short order and that’s partly what you’re trying to avoid. Not very often is the catalyst for a lineup change some such happening on the bottom two lines, it’s that something isn’t giving up top and if there’s a vacancy right-side you’d be tempted to try Jesse there and if it doesn’t work then you’ll have moved him around twice before you know it.

  139. defmn says:

    Not sure if this has been posted here before but an interesting article on stretch passes. If you ignore the fact that it is about the Leafs and just reflect on it as general knowledge it improves the content. 😉

    https://www.thepointhockey.com/the-maple-leafs-their-love-of-the-stretch-pass-inability-to-execute-it-and-why-its-still-the-right-approach/

  140. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: He’ll probably get another game but he’ll be assigned to Missisauga before the weekend I would think.

    Its mind-boggling to me that there are Oiler fans that think he should get actual regular season NHL games based on his rookie camp performance and one preseason game against a middling lineup.

    This is a perfect example of putting too much in to the early preseason games.They can provide some nice evaluation information but essentially are meaningless as far as NHL readiness.

    I do believe he will get signed to a contract shortly in order to provide the ability to take full advantage of the slide rules over the next few years – signing age matters.

    Agreed. Great arrows, but that’s all for now.

    Does him signing this year vs next affect his slide rule eligibility?

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ll have to do some digging in the CBA but signing age matters with respect to slide eligibility – off the top of my head I don’t know the exact mechanics.

    He turns 19 tomorrow – it may be a factor.

  142. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’ll have to do some digging in the CBA but signing age matters with respect to slide eligibility – off the top of my head I don’t know the exact mechanics.

    He turns 19 tomorrow – it may be a factor.

    From: https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#els

    What is an Entry Level Slide?

    “If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.

    Players who sign at 18 years old are eligible to have their contracted extended for 2 seasons. This extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 in his signing year. Signing bonuses do not slide, and are paid to the player regardless of a slide, this causes the annual average of the players contract to change, and therefore the cap hit decreases for this player.”

  143. Professor Q says:

    So it looks like between signing today or tomorrow, there will be a difference of sliding 2 years, or 1, respectively. However, this might be a wording issue by CapFriendly. If they sign at 18 years of age, no one could possibly turn 20 in the next few months. Impossible. Can’t skip 19.

  144. Jaxon says:

    I’ve been thinking about Nurse and the fact that he was 3rd in the NHL in rush attempts and 7th in rebounds created (among D). I think many of those happened together. I don’t know of many players who have his straight away speed through the neutral zone. He makes teammates and opposition alike look like pylons. It’s a great tool to have in your arsenal but all too often Nurse skates himself all the way to the goal line and end up having to shoot it from a bad angle. The biggest problem is that there is usually nobody there to cash in on those rebounds and no traffic to distract the goalie. How do the Oilers capitalize on this? I think they can through a combination of an adjustment in speed from Nurse (slowing down after he gains the blue?) And one of his teammates winding up and skating with him rather than skating ahead for the pass. I think Nurse and the coaches should be watching tape of other players who rush and create rebounds to see how they handle it. Carlson and Burns both rush a lot and create rebounds and their teams have been very successful. One thing I’ve noticed is Burns instinct to cut towards/drive the net instead of skating to the corner. Nurse’s instinct is to stay away from his checking D and wait to pass it out front but nobody can keep up so he has to wait too long. One other thing I wish they’d try is putting Nurse in front of the net on the powerplay as Boston once did with Chara (not sure if they still do). The big man might be able to cash like others can’t. It might also help Nurse’s offensive instincts and give him more if a nose for the net. I’m not sure exactly, I’m just thinking out loud as I think they’ve got tools to utilize with Nurse that they may not be taking advantage of.

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q:
    So it looks like between signing today or tomorrow, there will be a difference of sliding 2 years, or 1, respectively. However, this might be a wording issue by CapFriendly. If they sign at 18 years of age, no one could possibly turn 20 in the next few months. Impossible. Can’t skip 19.

    The CBA provides what is an “age 18” player, etc.

  146. godot10 says:

    Professor Q:
    So it looks like between signing today or tomorrow, there will be a difference of sliding 2 years, or 1, respectively. However, this might be a wording issue by CapFriendly. If they sign at 18 years of age, no one could possibly turn 20 in the next few months. Impossible. Can’t skip 19.

    What was his age on September 15? It doesn’t matter what his age is today or tomorrow. Read your other post.

  147. Professor Q says:

    godot10: What was his age on September 15?It doesn’t matter what his age is today or tomorrow.Read your other post.

    He will be 19 “on or after September 15th”. He hasn’t yet signed, though, and is still 18.

  148. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: The CBA provides what is an “age 18” player, etc.

    Then why did you ask (I presume you already know the answer and weren’t really asking, in which case I should not have looked up anything instead of interjecting where not wanted)?

    I just thought it odd that they specified if they signed at 18 years old, but turned 20 between September 15th and December 31st in their signing year, then it wouldn’t slide. Because should your signing year not be your 18th year at that point (as it is specified they signed at 18, not 19)? How do you magically skip your 19th year in only a few months?

    Because if you, say, sign at 18 years old in August, you’re 18. And let us say your birthday is past September 15th (as is the case here). You are 19 in your signing year (2018-2019), or of course, 18 if the CBA considers you 18 because you were 18 on September 15th. Not 20 in either case. Maybe I’m just not understanding CBA math.

    So, I think the contract slides…

  149. godot10 says:

    Professor Q: Well, it would be 19, neither 18 nor 20.

    Odd that you were the one who brought up his age and birthdays and now are being snarky and pretentious…almost as if your post was entrapment specifically for this reason.

    Where is the snark in my post.

    “What was his age on September 15?” Simple straightforward snarkless question.

    “It doesn’t matter what his age is today or tomorrow.” Simple straightforward snarkless sentence.

    “Read your other post.” Simple straightforward snarkless sentence. You had answered your own question,

    Where is the snark?

  150. Professor Q says:

    godot10,

    You’re right. I jumped the gun, was confused and retaliatory, and I apologize. But I didn’t answer my own question. CBA math and ages seem to be a bit warped.

  151. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I was just catching up on yesterday’s thread and I wanted to dispel a couple erroneous attributions about fancy stats and Caggiula

    Abbeef: find it interesting how Caggiula is spit upon and Aberg is lauded at this site and among a lot of the commenters.

    When I watch the games I see it opposite. Aberg floats around useless for the majority of the game and might jump on an opportunity to get points every once in a while. The points he gets don’t come near often enough to justify the uselessness for the other 90% of the game, Brett Hull he is not. Caggiula on the other hand works his butt off, forechecks well and gets similar production to Aberg at a similar age. This must be a fancy stat argument for Aberg as my eyes tell me he has done nothing to warrant staying in the NHL.

    I’d be fine being wrong about Aberg but he needs to light a fire under himself IMO.

    There is no question that Caggiula skates fast.

    That said, there is question about what what he accomplishes.

    Corey Sznajder (@shutdownline) tracks “micro-stats” like zone entries/exits, puck turnovers etc by watching each game and recording what he sees. Recently he was tracking all of EDM’s games last year and randomly tweeted this out:


    Corey Sznajder
    ‏ @ShutdownLine
    Sep 12

    Every team has a few players that I have no idea why they get so much ice time. Caggiula on the Oilers is high on this list.

    Corey has watched more hockey than any human over the last couple years and is well positioned to be an unbiased observer.

    Its actually not the “fancy stats” (read: corsi/shot metrics) where Caggiula looks bad. Its about goals.

    Every single Oiler he played with last year had a worse goal share (5v5) with him than without him.

    When you add all that up its called “Relative Teammate GF%” sounds fancy, but its just accounting for how the goal share changes for all players when Caggiula is with them compared to without them.

    Last year Caggiula’s RelTGF% was -9.98%.

    An example of this is when he was with McDavid, they had a goal share of 45.4% (they were outscored). McDavid when he was not with Caggiua had a 62%.

    So you take all those differences and add them up and weight them by time on ice with each player and you get “Relative Teammate Goal Share” or RelTGF%.

    Its not just one side of the ledger either.

    Oiler players had 0.72 less goals for per 60 minutes with Caggiula and 0.54 more goals against per 60 minutes.

    The fact that this effect is common across all his team mates suggest that he a key reason why those changes happened.

    Wingers effect the goal for share in a few ways. Keeping plays alive in the ozone when pucks are contesting is a key one. I don’t think he does well in that respect. He’s a speedy forecheckers, but I don’t see him accomplishing much on the forecheck.

    Defensively wingers help lower the goals against by being positioned correctly and covering for the C or D when they overload the puck carrier to force a turn over. By my eye Caggiula was particularly poor at this.

    A lot of the WTF? moments last year when EDM left opposing player open in the Dzone wasn’t just caused by the D or C “chasing the puck carrier” They were coached to do that. It was caused by the wingers not recognizing the play and then covering the space vacated by the C or D.

    Caggiula wasn’t good in that regard either.

    That’s my take on Caggiula and I know a few others share the sentiment.

    Its not because his fancystats are bad. He’s actually better when you look at shot share than goal share.

    I don’t think either shots or goals are that fancy, but I think we can all agree that goals are the key part of the game and lumping them into a “fancy stat” bin isn’t really right.

  152. Henry says:

    Hunter:

    Please put me down as follows:

    Oilers – 103 points
    Yak – 18 goals

    Thanks for doing this!

  153. Material Elvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Yeah but he looks like he’s trying so hard”. At least, I think that is the basis of the counter-argument. Effort is more important than effectiveness in some people’s eyes.

  154. Material Elvis says:

    digger50:
    That was a real cheap shot by Domi today against Ekblad I believe. I think he broke his nose. Type of shit the vets try to avoid.

    I don’t consider that a cheap shot or a sucker punch. He gave Ekblad two gloved punches to the face before dropping him. Ekblad didn’t want to defend himself. If you don’t want to get get punched, then don’t chop a guy in the back of the legs.

  155. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Re: Nurse and Benning *probably* starting as 2nd pair:

    G sent me Nurse/Benning WoodMoney WOWY from last year

    Smaaaalllll sample so keep that in mind.

    vs Elite 26:11min
    CF% 50.9
    DFF% 73.8 (!)( I bet a lot of 97 in there)
    GF% 100% (4-0)

    vs Middle 40:36min
    CF% 56.2
    DFF% 56.5
    GF% 100% (5-0)

    vs Gritensity 27:45min
    CF% 66.7
    DFF% 53.0
    GF% 33.3 (1-2)

    Ran uber hot overall goal wise.

    CF% and DFF% show some promise for sure.

  156. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Material Elvis:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Yeah but he looks like he’s trying so hard”.At least, I think that is the basis of the counter-argument.Effort is more important than effectiveness in some people’s eyes.

    There is no question that effort looks good and when you watch a player impressions are important.

    That’s why its important to marry the visuals with the data and have them each inform the other.

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