2018-19 Preseason Game Five: Canucks at Oilers

Edmonton made five roster moves yesterday, culling the herd to the point where we can finally have meaningful life and death arguments about how this thing turns out. By my estimate, it’s Evan Bouchard and Jakub Jerabek in, Ethan Bear and Jason Garrison out. It’s Kailer Yamamoto in, Alex Chiasson and Pontus Aberg out. Thoughts?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton event went last night and was an absolute blast. Thanks to those who came out and for excellent questions and interactions. We met everyone (I think) between the four of us and had a great time. Jon will join me this morning for two segments on the Lowdown, I’ll ask him about what we can expect to read in The Athletic during the 2018-19 season.

Proud to be part of a lineup that is ready to cover the coming year. Outstanding coverage from a large group, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis, Lowetide, Minnia Feng and Pat McLean. If you haven’t subscribed yet, now’s your chance. Special offer is here, less than $4 a month!

  • New Lowetide: Impressive Cooper Marody preseason could lead to NHL recall.
  • Lowetide: Oilers farm system beginning to resemble the real thing
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A pair of Ryans: Oilers McLeod, Strome strengthen families’ bond as teammates.
  • Lowetide: After more Oilers’ cuts, roster decisions coming into focus.
  • Tyler Dellow: Is Connor McDavid good enough to make a power play with five left shots work?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Former Oiler Dave Manson on coaching, nicknames and his raspy voice.
  • New Lowetide: RE 18-19: Cam Talbot is key to Oilers success in 2018-19
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: A case for the defence.
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: Ryan Strome and the Oilers long journey to competent third and fourth lines
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: Leon Draisaitl and the pursuit of a second outscoring line in ’18-19
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: Can the McDavid line lead the 2018-19 Oilers to the playoffs?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Challenge accepted: Young RW’s showcase skill in Oilers preseason game.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Assessing the aftermath from Darnell Nurse’s deal with the Oilers.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Pleasant and unpleasant surprises from Tuesday’s training camp cuts.
  • New Lowetide: Oilers sign Nurse to a two-year deal.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Can Tobias Rieder be the perfect complement to Leon Draisaitl?

CERTAIN OILERS

  • There are some cracks forming around Jakub Jerabek but I’m going to keep him here because of the contract.
  • Tobias Rieder is listed as 2RW but that may be fluid, his performance so far in this preseason suggested he may not play in the heart of the order to start the season.
  • Ryan Strome has picked up an injury, should be ready for the opening of the season but it should be noted and could be a factor in populating the opening night roster.

UNCERTAIN OILERS

  • The Oilers made several moves yesterday, releasing Scottie Upshall from his PTO being the biggest news. It sounds like the team might like him to get healthy and then spend some time in Bakersfield getting fit and ready for the campaign.
  • Keegan Lowe, Kevin Gravel, Brad Malone were all placed on waivers and will head to the Condors, as will Cooper Marody who doesn’t require waivers to get sent down.
  • My choices for the three final names to make the team are: Kailer Yamamoto, Pontus Aberg and Evan Bouchard.
  • Alex Chiasson’s skills are duplicated by Zack Kassian, Ethan Bear can be sent down to Bakersfield and recalled if Bouchard flounders (or if there is an injury) and Jason Garrison’s foot speed has me hesitant (although I like veteran defensemen).

DISTANT BELLS 

  • Ryan McLeod won training camp. Full stop.

PROJECTED OPENING NIGHT ROSTER

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Connor McDavid—Ty Rattie
  • Milan Lucic—Leon Draisaitl—Kailer Yamamoto
  • Tobias Rieder—Ryan Strome—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Jujhar Khaira—Kyle Brodziak—Zack Kassian
  • Drake Caggiula—???
  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Darnell Nurse—Matt Benning
  • Kris Russell—Evan Bouchard
  • Jakub Jerabek—???
  • Cam Talbot (Mikko Koskinen) (Al Montoya)

I think the final roster player will be a waiver pickup, either a defender or a forward. Alex Chiasson or Ethan Bear are possible, but I think Peter Chiarelli is going to be looking for a speed option via waivers. Thoughts?

PROSPECTS UPDATE

One of the things I was asked about last night at The Athletic event was prospect updates. I’ll endeavor to deliver more in the coming days at The Athletic, here’s a quick update on drafted players whose seasons are already underway.

  1. L Patrik Siikanen, Blues U20 (Jr. Sm-Liiga) 8, 4-5-9
  2. L Anton Slepyshev, CSKA Moscow (KHL) 9, 2-1-3
  3. RD Filip Berglund, Skelleftea (SHL) 3, 1-2-3
  4. R Kirill Maksimov, Niagara IceDogs (OHL) 1, 2-0-2
  5. LC Skyler Brind’Amour, Chilliwack Chiefs (BCHL) 7, 0-2-2
  6. LD Dmitri Samorukov, Guelph Storm (OHL) 2, 0-1-1
  7. LC Bogdan Yakimov, Neftekhimik (KHL) 9, 0-0-0
  8. LD Markus Niemelainen, HPK (Sm-Liiga) 3, 0-0-0
  9. RD Joel Persson, Vaxjo Lakers (SHL) 2, 0-0-0
  10. Olivier Rodrigue, Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL) 2, 4.00 .867

Too early to draw conclusions but nice to see some crooked numbers among prospects already. Filip Berglund is off to a strong start and Kirill Maksimov appears to be putting the disappointment of rookie camp behind him.

FIVE CUTS FIVE

Edmonton clipped five names from its roster yesterday, most of the moves inevitable. Scottie Upshall couldn’t get healthy and the Oilers have a squeeze in timeline so his release comes as no surprise. Keegan Lowe didn’t play well in his only preseason game, and it was always going to be Bakersfield for him (with a recall possible). Kevin Gravel was a surprise, I thought he played well and is a likely recall from the Condors at some point during the year. Cooper Marody was optioned out after a strong camp, he is close to NHL-ready and should get a cup of coffee during the season. Brad Malone had a poor camp and was sent down, but remains a recall option based on the center depth chart.

OILERS PRESEASON SHOTS

  1. Jesse Puljujarvi 13
  2. Cooper Marody 9
  3. Kailer Yamamoto 8
  4. Ty Rattie 8
  5. Jujhar Khaira 7

OILERS PRESEASON IND. HIGH DANGER SC’S

  1. Cooper Marody 8
  2. Jesse Puljujarvi 6
  3. Kailer Yamamoto 6
  4. Ty Rattie 4
  5. Jujhar Khaira 4

All via NaturalStatTrick and the right wingers are having a field day so far this preseason. Have to keep that going as the competition quality increases. Marody showed very well (this is all disciplines).

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show this morning, featuring a two-segment live appearance from Jonathan Willis at The Athletic. Jon will pop in at 10:20 and we’ll spend the rest of the hour talking Oilers and what the site has planned for the season. Mike Heika will join us after 11 to talk Dallas Stars and Kristopher Martel previews at Preds at 11:20. Dave Jamieson will preview his show at 11:40 and trades start happening as my show ends. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Puljujarvi with the jets on is my favourite player

  2. Munny says:

    Lowetide:
    Jerabek with a ghastly pass there, ends up with a penalty. He isn’t good.

    I was surprised when that pairing was the coach’s choice for last minute of the first period. And he did stop that toe drag on that very shift. But I guess pre-season is when you gotta find these things out.

  3. Todd Macallan says:

    Oh my, Puju

  4. texmex says:

    Time for
    Yamo-drai-JP

    Make it happen Todd. Looch is a drag

  5. Rebillled says:

    Munny,

    I like having these homers commentate now that their team is garbage.

    JG is good luck for the ugly jerseys to lose season after season.

    48 seasons! hahaahah!

  6. blainer says:

    Jerebeck is cut tomorrow IMO. Garrison looks a little better tonight.

    The coach’s deployment decisions with the PP will get him fired

    If it’s the assistants doing this get them to play Boosh on the point with JP on the left wall.

    Get Lucic off the 1st PP asap..

    man a kid in grade kinder garden could do a better job with PP.

    Truly perplexing to say the least..

  7. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Ok… tmac HAS to have noticed how bad that pp was… it’s becoming a thing again…

    Edit: pp2 (the 4R) is eons better than pp1 (5L)

  8. Lowetide says:

    Rattie scores his second goal of the game.

  9. Jaxon says:

    Puljujarvi showing us ‘future McDavid’s wing Puljujarvi’. His combination of size, speed and skill will be deadly with McDavid someday and possibly soon.

  10. Gerta Rauss says:

    lol….Rattie is on fire and saves face for that awful PP

  11. Munny says:

    Ratfink!

  12. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The Sharks have recalled 14 players to their camp?

    What is up with that?

    It’s California … everyone is getting a gold star for participating.

  13. OmJo says:

    Yes, it’s only preseason.

  14. jp says:

    Gheez everything Rattie touches turns to gold!

    Nice release though, to be fair.

  15. theDjdj says:

    If Rattie’s scoring form holds even at 40% of current level he’ll score 30

  16. Rebillled says:

    See! As soon as Johnny mentioned Hall we score!

  17. Gerta Rauss says:

    Talbot has been good again

    Is he scheduled to play all 3 periods..?

    I’d put the back up in for the 3rd period (I’m not sure who is dressed tonight)

  18. Todd Macallan says:

    Bouchard with a great pinch to keep it in, leading to the Rattie goal

  19. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    PP looks god awful.

  20. fishman says:

    Nice to know both Canuck guys were OK with Conner not winning the Hart!

  21. who says:

    Lowetide:
    Klefbom hit the post there, he’s an effective power-play shooter.

    He may be a power play shooter but he has been a brutal puck distributor tonight. Not exactly a power play quarterback out there.
    To my eye he makes some strange decisions with the puck. Keeps trying to force pucks through skates to guys who are covered.

  22. Bling says:

    That was a great job by Khaira to win that loose puck leading up to the Rattie goal, gets rewarded with a second assist.

  23. Glass says:

    I’d like to see JP on Leon’s wing. He has a knack for zone entries with that great speed. Let Khaira, Lucic, Rieder and Yamo fight for 2LW.

  24. Lowetide says:

    After Two:

    2-0 Edmonton
    Shots 25-18 Vancouver (12-11 Vancouver in the second)
    Corsi for 5-on-5: 29-34 (46 percent) and 18-17 Edmonton in the second.

  25. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    PP looks god awful.

    The pp1 I agree.
    The pp2 however… almost always looks better and has better results.
    Coincidentally, they use all the righties…

    Tmac HAS to have noticed this right???

  26. Lowetide says:

    who: He may be a power play shooter but he has been a brutal puck distributor tonight.Not exactly a power play quarterback out there.
    To my eye he makes some strange decisions with the puck. Keeps trying to force pucks through skates to guys who are covered.

    They aren’t going to be good until someone suggests a righty on the No. 1 PP.

  27. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Lowetide: They aren’t going to be good until someone suggests a righty on the No. 1 PP.

    OK. I would like to suggest a righty on the No. 1 PP. That’s what fans are for.

  28. tileguy says:

    Lowetide: They aren’t going to be good until someone suggests a righty on the No. 1 PP.

    Is your tongue in your cheek?

  29. who says:

    Lowetide: They aren’t going to be good until someone suggests a righty on the No. 1 PP.

    I dont think handness has been the issue. He can’t seem to find the open man on the pp break out. The key to any powerplay is to get the puck to the open guy without turning it over.
    If you can’t figure out who the open man is you have no business running an NHL powerplay.
    By the way, Garrison is eating Jerebaks lunch tonight. I like his game tonight.

  30. OmJo says:

    The thing about Rattie is he’s picked up where he left off at the end of last season, considering this is preseason.

    I think you can argue there isn’t a more motivated [mortal] player in the league right now.

  31. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    I know this was already asked earlier but…
    why the heck is this game broadcasted like it’s a Canucks home game and being commentated by the Canucks crew???

  32. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Jerabek with a ghastly pass there, ends up with a penalty. He isn’t good.

    He’s shown nothing at all. What a disappointment.

    Really surprising that Gravel was sent down. Is Garrison going to make the team?

  33. Munny says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    Because Edmonton fans don’t rate with Sportsnet. They pulled the same shit last season.

    Think about that every single time you pay your cable bill.

  34. Lowetide says:

    Rieder with a chance (semi-breakaway) draws a penalty.

  35. Lowetide says:

    McDavid to Puljujarvi, 3-0.

  36. Gerta Rauss says:

    post and in that time..!!

  37. Munny says:

    Pujo has the biggest grin when he scores. Love it.

  38. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Hey tmac…
    ETCH THAT PP COMBO INTO YOUR BRAIN NOW!!!

  39. Pescador says:

    Yessa!!

  40. Jaxon says:

    OMFG! Bouchard – McDavid – Puljujarvi

  41. jp says:

    Shit that was really beautiful all around! Damn.

  42. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    The goal was like looking into the future.

  43. geowal says:

    Laser shot

  44. Rebillled says:

    HOLY UNFILTERED SMOKES

  45. jp says:

    Seriously, Jesse is a new man.

  46. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
    Rieder with a chance (semi-breakaway) draws a penalty.

    Rieder has a pulse!

  47. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Puljujarvi absolutely flying out there.

  48. Rondo says:

    Where has Leon been this pre season?

  49. Munny says:

    Pujo with the goal legs…

  50. LadiesloveSmid says:

    18YO Bouchard to 21YO McDavid to 20YO Pulju

    Kids are alright

    I love speedy Jesse

  51. Todd Macallan says:

    Jesse is all over the place, in the best way possible. Bouchard is going to score an actual ton of points making simple heads up plays like that pass

  52. Glass says:

    Man. We’re starting to really get a glimpse of the player Puljujarvi is going to become. I’m excited.

  53. fishman says:

    who,

    OK not the only one liking Garrison’s game tonight! Still puzzled why they sent Gravel down but perhaps he is first call up?

  54. Jaxon says:

    Puljujarvi is having a hell of a game without much for linemates. No offense to Khaira and Rieder, but they’re simply not skilled top sixers.

  55. oilersfan says:

    Rondo,

    With a 235 pound boat anchor tied to his hip

  56. Pescador says:

    striker:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNSGzu_iISI

    Yes but to where?
    Right Wing is all of a sudden loaded?
    wait, that’s me

  57. Pescador says:

    Rondo:
    Where has Leon been this pre season?

    you answered you’re own question.

  58. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Hunter terrifying???

    Ask yourself… in a dark alley, which one would terrify you more popping out of the shadows???

    Damn that philly mascot is just downright creepy…

  59. Lowetide says:

    JP again.

  60. Gerta Rauss says:

    lol

  61. Ben says:

    HARVEY!!!

  62. Munny says:

    “Finish” times two!

  63. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I could see having a driver on each line working out (if Pulju goes this hot).

    Also would like to see him with 97.

    Also wouldn’t like to see him get $8.5M.

  64. striker says:

    The cut of his jib looks much improved this season

  65. dessert1111 says:

    I liked the Jerabek signing but I have no qualms with him getting cut at this point. Not overly worried about him getting claimed.

    Garrison has looked alright tonight. I still don’t think he should make the team outright but as a defense version of Brad Malone – veteran mentor, get a handful of games when injury hits – on a 2 way contract I think it’d be fine if they got the room.

    I’d sign Chiasson. Not as high of a ceiling as Aberg but more reliable. I’d try to keep them both and trade one of the fourth line guys for a pick.

  66. Derek says:

    I thought Vancouver had some sort of young offensive phenom. Why are their most dangerous players Preseason All Star Sven Baertschi and this clamato character? 🙂

  67. striker says:

    Experiment:

    Khaira – Drai – Pulju?

  68. N64 says:

    Todd Macallan: esse is all over the place, in the best way possible

    Yes. Last year he was all over the place in the other way. You could almost see his gears starting to mesh late last season.

  69. dessert1111 says:

    Raise your hand if you thought our RWs would be the most impressive players so far this pre season.

  70. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I could see having a driver on each line working out (if Pulju goes this hot).

    Also would like to see him with 97.

    Also wouldn’t like to see him get $8.5M.

    It always happens on the contract year doesn’t it…
    Dammit chia and your terrible cap management!!!
    We are going to lose some good players…

    Edit: how the hell are they going to pay JP AND Rattie now???

  71. Ben says:

    One of the nice things about the Oilers this season is their strength on the right side.

  72. Pescador says:

    I think its time Rattie was removed from the top line

  73. who says:

    Glass:
    Man. We’re starting to really get a glimpse of the player Puljujarvi is going to become. I’m excited.

    Yup.
    Too bad we never traded him this summer while he still had some value.

  74. Munny says:

    Rattie Hattie!

  75. Spooky Lynx says:

    RAT TRICK!

  76. Side says:

    The Mirage with a hat trick.

    #AHLReplacementLevelPlayer

  77. geowal says:

    The Rattrick!

  78. N64 says:

    dessert1111:
    Raise your hand if you thought our RWs would be the most impressive players so far this pre season.

    Pre-season yes. Due to the opportunities afforded by the gaping hole starboard side. But if we see this in the season. Wow.

  79. oilersfan says:

    In all seriousness…

    On one shift the Canucks were doing a line change and klefbom was bringing up the puck.

    He passed the puck to Lucic, tape to tape. Lucic bobbled the pass, the Canucks complete the

    Line change and take the puck off of Lucic , who never really had control, and the oilers lose possession.

    A few shifts later the oilers are in the Canucks’ zone, lucic has the puck at the blue line, he passes
    Across to a wide open Draisaitl , but the pass crosses the blue line to force Draisaitl
    Offside.

    It isn’t about lucic’s Speed, it’s about his poor puck skills and hand-eye coordination.

    The guy is a serious drag on possession. It’s like it’s worse than being short handed when he’s on the ice because you think he’s on your team but every time you pass to him the other team ends up with
    The puck. He didn’t need to spend the offseason losing weight he needed to practice his puck skills.

    As lowetide said about JFJ ,he can skate but he can’t make or take a pass. Well that’s Lucic but he can’t skate either.

    Lucic killed the last 20 game of Puljujarvi’s season last year, and is about to do it to the start of
    Draisiatil’s season.

  80. Jaxon says:

    Ok Puljujarvi, it’s on. Your turn. Don’t let Rattie steal your thunder.

  81. jp says:

    My goodness, that was all beautiful. But easily missed might have been that tip pass by Nuge to Rattie.

  82. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I’m still unsure Rattie will be in EDM beyond say game 30. I mean why was he not up last season. Hope he continues this.

  83. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    What right wing problem?

  84. Minister D- says:

    If Rattie’s a mirage, I’m ok drinking the sand.

  85. Munny says:

    Rattie might be the first true pump ‘n dump player we have seen in Oiler silks in a long long time.

  86. jp says:

    Why have they been talking about Ben Hutton all pre-season? Are the Canucks really that bad?

  87. deardylan says:

    Trade Rattie to Avalanche before season starts for Sens 1st round draft ? Buy Low, Sell High.

  88. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Bouchard so skilled with the puck, so raw with it too. Give him 1 year

  89. deardylan says:

    PS. What is the NHLE equation for preseason?

  90. striker says:

    Bouchard pass to the wrong slot…ouch

  91. jp says:

    Lordy, Bouchard needs to remove that from his game. Immediately

  92. Munny says:

    Rieder you selfish bastard, lol

  93. Richard S.S. says:

    Most of the Lucic problem is vision based. I don’t think he sees very well anymore.

  94. Jaxon says:

    Rieder should have dished to Puljujarvi on that breakaway.

  95. striker says:

    deardylan: What is the NHLE equation for preseason?

    Interesting koan, haven’t heard that one before.

  96. Rebillled says:

    jp,

    Yes, the Canucks are a horrible team.

  97. Ben says:

    If anyone needs to strain some pasta might I recommend using the Canucks’ defence corps?

  98. jp says:

    I would choose Chiasson over Kassian. If there’s any market for Zack.

  99. Rebillled says:

    If you text 5-0 in an iphone a cop emoji comes up? Hilarious.

  100. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    If Yamamoto could swing over then I would like to see:

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Yamamoto-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Strome-Rieder
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian

  101. deardylan says:

    striker,

    Breath and Skateitate On It – the hockeyverse is found inside the weakest thread of a skates lace

  102. fishman says:

    Expect that at some point in season Pulji is elevated to 2RW and Luc drops to 3LW. Going to be an expensive 3 rd line.

  103. digger50 says:

    Lowetide:
    Jerabek with a ghastly pass there, ends up with a penalty. He isn’t good.

    They would have been better off sticking with Davidson

  104. dessert1111 says:

    N64: Pre-season yes. Due to the opportunities afforded by the gaping hole starboard side. But if we see this in the season. Wow.

    I’ll drink the koolaid for now! Rieder slowly ramping his game up too.

  105. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Munny:
    Rattie might be the first true pump ‘n dump player we have seen in Oiler silks in a long long time.

    Sure. Just one problem… if this ISNT a mirage and rattie really can play like this regardless of his line mates, how can they afford NOT to sign him? He still might be kept on the team for a reasonably affordable price…
    Not even Maroon was able to mesh this well with McDavid…

  106. digger50 says:

    jp:
    I would choose Chiasson over Kassian. If there’s any market for Zack.

    Really pushing Zack hard on the penalty kill, going to try and get moneys worth out of him.

  107. Munny says:

    Larsson will score with that shot if he keeps trying.

  108. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Lucic FINALLY does something productive!!!

  109. Pescador says:

    Oscar!
    I think it moved

  110. Munny says:

    And his partner in crime does.

  111. oilersfan says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur,

    I think it’s nice to have Pulju driving the third line… optimum for me:

    RNH-McDAvid-Rattie
    Rieder-DrAisaitl-Yamamoto
    Khaira-Strome-Pulju
    Lucic-Brodziak-Chiasson

    Ladies and gentlemen that’s the optimal lineup based on the preseason

  112. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    I gotta ask, how much of the Canucks projected final roster was playing tonight? It seemed like most of their big names were playing

  113. dessert1111 says:

    Credit where due, Lucic with a nice move into the slot there. Looked mobile at that moment, though somewhat surprised to have gotten the puck from Klefbom.

  114. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    oilersfan,

    I like that too – I just want to see Drai with Puljujarvi before my mind is made up.

    Lucic on L4 sure opens up possibilities. Likely too hard to swallow.

  115. digger50 says:

    Roster is coming along nicely.

    Those we hoped would emerge have, including surprises such as Mcleod.

    Jessie has arrived
    Yamamoto is in
    Bouchard is in
    Rattie is in obviously

    Rieder is fast and will be fine
    Lots of choice on fourth line

    Drai and Connor are not even trying yet.

  116. jtblack says:

    Van is worse than I thought. Van and Ott gonna battle it our for Last.

  117. striker says:

    Pescador: Oscar!
    I think it moved

    Haha, yes the pose was reminiscent of that.

  118. dessert1111 says:

    oilersfan:
    Chelios is a Dinosaur,

    I think it’s nice to have Pulju driving the third line… optimum for me:

    RNH-McDAvid-Rattie
    Rieder-DrAisaitl-Yamamoto
    Khaira-Strome-Pulju
    Lucic-Brodziak-Chiasson

    Ladies and gentlemen that’s the optimal lineup based on the preseason

    That’s my lineup too

  119. jtblack says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    I gotta ask, how much of the Canucks projected final roster was playing tonight? It seemed like most of their big names were playing

    Correct. They ARE that bad. Beagle Sutter and a few vets grinders didnt play

  120. GBandQ says:

    oilersfan:
    Chelios is a Dinosaur,

    I think it’s nice to have Pulju driving the third line… optimum for me:

    RNH-McDAvid-Rattie
    Rieder-DrAisaitl-Yamamoto
    Khaira-Strome-Pulju
    Lucic-Brodziak-Chiasson

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Yammer-DrAisaitl-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Strome-Rieder
    Khaira-Brodziak-Chiasson

  121. jp says:

    Side:
    The Mirage with a hat trick.

    This is excellent.

  122. Richard S.S. says:

    Oilers need to stop sitting on leads. They need to keep the pressure on/intensity up. Play like that and the Oilers will win a lot of games.

  123. Glass says:

    oilersfan,

    I’d rather see JP on the 2nd line with Drai. Rieder on 2LW wouldn’t be bad, he brings a lot of speed and 2-way ability. Stick Lucic with Strome and Aberg or something, let Yamos contract slide in the AHL. I think he’s close but not quite there.

  124. Munny says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    Well when you can drive the play, it usually shows up in the A. His finish is quality, so obviouslt the reported lack of sense and commitment away from the puck were serious enough issues. So a good complementary player I’d say is his max upside.

    There’s two fast trains coming up behind him, so the question becomes, can he score like this with Strome if you’re keeping him? And maybe at that level with lesser opp he can still get some stuff done. But I do think he has a valuable quality. He’s a good player to have at the finish end of a play.

    But he’s going to be passed, so if you can get first or second line payment for him in trade, you take it.

  125. digger50 says:

    Specialty teams, we seen the dreaded diamond or T formation was back tonight on the PK, and the first half of the game we seen a dump and retrieve power play.

    The results were only fair but what I do like is seeing that the coaches are looking at different options and trying them out. This shows some variance, adaptability, flexability on the part of the coaches.

    Nice.

  126. Pescador says:

    GBandQ: RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Yammer-DrAisaitl-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Strome-Rieder
    Khaira-Brodziak-Chiasson

    Other then that, solid solid

    I’m not ready to throw Yammer to the wolves just yet.

  127. Bank Shot says:

    That wasn’t the most convincing 6-0 game I’ve ever watched. Haha.

    Talbot stood on his head.

    Oilers had tonnes of chances though despite the shot differential.

  128. Soup Fascist says:

    Jerabek has the same ability to turn as the Exxon Valdez.

    Woof.

  129. tileguy says:

    deardylan:
    Trade Rattie to Avalanche before season starts for Sens 1st round draft ?Buy Low, Sell High.

    Yah, lets bring back Eberle. Why don’t you just sit back and enjoy the show this year.

  130. LadiesloveSmid says:

    It’s too bad pre-season’s correlation with regular season results may as well be negative.

    Talbot has been gangbusters. Pulju, Yamo, Rattie dynamite.

    Wonder how Kassian is handled. Chiasson might be the same player and could be 3x cheaper. Aberg isn’t beating out (hopefully) 13th forward Caggiula in TMac’s eyes.

  131. theDjdj says:

    Munny:
    Larsson will score with that shot if he keeps trying.

    The weird thing about Larsson is he has all the actual tools to be an offensive defenseman in the OZone. He activates fairly well, he has good skating and a good shot. He just…doesn’t.

  132. striker says:

    Something about the PP still isn’t right

  133. deardylan says:

    tileguy: Yah, lets bring back Eberle. Why don’t you just sit back and enjoy the show this year.

    Hey Tileguy. You are 100% right. In short term the more Rattie scores the more I want to keep him and enjoy the show. And I forget about Eberle.

    In long term I hope the McDavid aura can also spread to all wingers and our PP.

    PS. Is there any examples where Gretzky inflated points totals of his wingers and turned AHLers into NHLers…that we bought low and then sold high?

  134. deardylan says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Ladies Love Smid, is there data on the correlation (even with small sample size)?

  135. Pescador says:

    striker:
    Something about the PP still isn’t right

    Ya, JP isn’t featured on the 1st unit,
    that smile alone is worth plenty of goals!

  136. Pescador says:

    Pescador,

    Richard S.S.:
    Most of the Lucic problem is vision based.I don’t think he sees very well anymore.

    Vision- Bison
    Tomatoe- Tomato

  137. JimmyV1965 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    18YO Bouchard to 21YO McDavid to 20YO Pulju

    Kids are alright

    I love speedy Jesse

    Frickin love that comment

  138. LadiesloveSmid says:

    deardylan,

    Not to my knowledge. I think I saw a tweet where the only time EDM was under .500 in the pre-season in the last 10 years was ’08 and it was like their best season between ’08-’16

  139. VOR says:

    deardylan:
    LadiesloveSmid,

    Ladies Love Smid, is there data on the correlation (even with small sample size)?

    Here is one study, there are a number.

    http://www.bsndenver.com/value-prediction-preseason/

  140. JimmyV1965 says:

    digger50: Really pushing Zack hard on the penalty kill, going to try and get moneys worth out of him.

    I wish they would keep Kassisn off the PK.

  141. godot10 says:

    Side:
    The Mirage with a hat trick.

    #AHLReplacementLevelPlayer

    It is the pre-season. McDavid is only playing at home in the pre-season, hence Rattie also. And backup goaltenders.

  142. godot10 says:

    Munny:
    Rattie might be the first true pump ‘n dump player we have seen in Oiler silks in a long long time.

    You aren’t fooling anyone because he is playing with one generational and 2nd elite player. Nobody is that dumb.

    We won’t know what is real until the Oilers face starting goaltenders, and until Rattie has to play in his own end.

  143. kgo says:

    I have questions!!!

    Let’s assume the team wishes to sign Garrison for $1.5M, and he is willing to sign for this amount…when does Sekera hit LTIR, and can this happen in time for Garrison to join the team in Germany?

    Let’s assume Bouchard returns to London, and his team wins the OHL championship…Is he eligible for recall at this point or is he obliged to report to the Memorial cup tournament?

  144. kgo says:

    I think taking Lucic off the PP and Kassian off the PK will solve a lot of problems.

    Is Chia willing to die on this hill called Lucic?

    Is Todd?

  145. godot10 says:

    How does one solve a problem like Lucic. He is killing the 2nd line, and PP#1.

  146. JimmyV1965 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    18YO Bouchard to 21YO McDavid to 20YO Pulju

    Kids are alright

    I love speedy Jesse

    This comment really got me thinking about the future. The Oil aren’t poised to win the Cup this year. They might not even make the playoffs. But the future is blindingly bright. The key pieces on this team are so young and have so much development left to do. There are some incredibly talented kids pushing for spots this year who can realistically be stars two years from now. The group of kids behind them are just as talented. And it’s not just one position. We have LHD, RHD, wingers, centres and goalies.

    Even if we don’t make the playoffs and the GM gets fired, he has left his successor with a clear path forward. The core is in the system and it’s really good. Improvement is right within the group of kids we already have.

  147. Bling says:

    godot10:
    How does one solve a problem like Lucic.He is killing the 2nd line, and PP#1.

    They’re gonna need to put a RH shot on the first unit PP.

    You can bet 97 will be amenable to having Rattie or JP on that unit, especially after that goal the latter scored on the PP. That was a highly skilled play on JP’s part, but I think it’s basically impossible for a LH shot. As a lefty, even if you corral that pass at full speed, the opposing D can easily get a stick on the forehand shot attempt. If you go to your backhand to shield the puck, the goalie has the advantage and it’s more of a medium danger chance than the high danger chance it is on the stick of a RH shot.

    Amazing play by both 97 and 98 that reflects the genuine need to have a RH shot on that first unit.

  148. Bling says:

    Personally, I don’t think it’s appropriate to have Yamamoto to play on his off-wing as a rookie.

    It is so much harder to make plays along the boards in the defensive zone on your off-hand. He’s already a smaller guy who is used to the North American style of positioning, and he’s damn good on the boards on that right side. Why rob him of one of his strengths as a player?

  149. jake70 says:

    Bling: They’re gonna need to put a RH shot on the first unit PP.

    Promised myself this year when watching that if I see 5 Left shots on the PP, going to turn channel.

    .

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bank Shot:
    That wasn’t the most convincing 6-0 game I’ve ever watched. Haha.

    Talbot stood on his head.

    Which, in itself, is the most important part of the game (and the preseason) and more important that 3 goals from Rattie or a 6 goal vicotry.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    It’s too bad pre-season’s correlation with regular season results may as well be negative.

    Talbot has been gangbusters. Pulju, Yamo, Rattie dynamite.

    Wonder how Kassian is handled. Chiasson might be the same player and could be 3x cheaper. Aberg isn’t beating out (hopefully) 13th forward Caggiula in TMac’s eyes.

    Except replacing Kassian with Chiasson doesn’t save that much money unless we can trade Kassian without actually retaining salary or taking any back.

    We’d have to waive and send Kassian down which saves just over $1M on the cap (not the entire $1.95M) which is replaced by Chiasson’s apx $800K – so only an apx $200K savings and we add a contract under the 50.

    On the other hand, its gives the team another player to put in between Malone and Marody and the NHL when injuries hit (Malone b/c he isn’t an NHL player or prospect and Marody because he could benefit from good half season plus learning the pro game in the AHL – no need to throw the rookie pro in to a pressure packed NHL season right away).

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    striker:
    Something about the PP still isn’t right

    Yup, however, now that they’ve cut the camp roster down, are in 1 group, are home steady for a good week (coaches were travelling even if all the player weren’t), etc., they should be able to spend daily time on special teams.

    Coach did say at the beginning of camp that its tough to work on special teams during the first half of camp due to sheer numbers, etc.

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    kgo:
    I have questions!!!

    Let’s assume the team wishes to sign Garrison for $1.5M, and he is willing to sign for this amount…when does Sekera hit LTIR, and can this happen in time for Garrison to join the team in Germany?

    Let’s assume Bouchard returns to London, and his team wins the OHL championship…Is he eligible for recall at this point or is he obliged to report to the Memorial cup tournament?

    1) They could put Sekera on LTIR right now and sign Garrison, however, that would severely limit the amount of the LTIR cushion and their increased cap limit would be capped by the amount they are over at that time. The best way to do it is to get as close to the cap as possible without going over and then on day 1 put Sekera on LTIR. They have apx $700K of cap room now so if they did nothing and put Sekera on LTIR on day 1, their cap limit would be increased by $5.5M less $700K which equals $4.8M giving the team an upper cap limit of $84.3M. They could sign Garrison and that still would leave some room for in-season acquisitions.

    Don’t forget though:

    1) We would be over the adjusted cap accrual limit so would not be accruing any daily cap space so:

    (a) if Sekera came off LTIR mid-season we’d be over the cap and would be forced to make
    dispositions; ad

    (b) our ability to acquire cap mid-season wouldn’t include the cap space pro-rated (as we would be acrruing, so we’d be able to acquire a $2M-$3M player at the deadline, not a $10M-$12M player

    2) LTIR cushion does not help with performance bonuses so, given we are over the cap using LTIR cushion, any amount of performance bonuses vested by Puljujarvi (of Bouchard or Yamamto) would result in a cap penalty for next year and decrease our cap limit.

    ————————-

    Bouchard could not play in the AHL or NHL until London is done, which includes their playoffs and the Memorial Cup, if they qualify.

  154. Jaxon says:

    JimmyV1965: This comment really got me thinking about the future. The Oil aren’t poised to win the Cup this year. They might not even make the playoffs. But the future is blindingly bright. The key pieces on this team are so young and have so much development left to do.There are some incredibly talented kids pushing for spots this year who can realistically be stars two years from now. The group of kids behind them are just as talented. And it’s not just one position. We have LHD, RHD, wingers, centres and goalies.

    Even if we don’t make the playoffs and the GM gets fired, he has left his successor with a clear path forward. The core is in the system and it’s really good. Improvement is right within the group of kids we already have.

    I did an exercise this summer that may interest you. I charted the age and development of the Oilers system. I made some of my own somewhat unscientific assumptions about the development curves at different positions. It shows when the roster will be peaking developmentally. There are some very good years ahead.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W9kRR02jI_Hfze-kDH4uRPgQao3QthQKj373RpleDnI/edit?usp=drivesdk

    It assumes Forwards develop about two years earlier than D and D develop two years earlier than goalies. Peaking at 25, 27, and 29 respectively. I know it’s a blanket statement that certainly didn’t apply to many but it does give us a Birdseye view of where the Oilers are and what they should be working towards.

    2019-20 looks primed for a big step forward, but the the year cluster when the Oilers seem primed to contend are 2020-21, 2021-22, 2022-23. The following three years will be contending years as well with a more veteran team who knows how to win.

    One thing it doesn’t consider is contracts and starting under cap.

  155. Jaxon says:

    The one gap I see in positions that are primed to peak at the same time as the main Oilers clusters is a goalie who is 25 or 26 years old. Maybe Starrett is that guy but he is far from proven. It might be smart to be scouting goalies in the 25-27 age group who haven’t been given a chance behind a top goalie similar to Talbot’s situation with NYR or Grubauer in Washington. (EDITED removed spiel about missed opportunity of grabbing Grubauer this summer, which was not an option).

  156. Wilde says:

    Not sure if this has been shared yet, but there was a brief mention of three players in Elliotte Friedman’s 31 Thoughts, that this second week of preseason games will be a truer indication of “how ready” some younger players that had good first weeks are. The players were Dillon Dube, Max Lajoie, and Evan Bouchard.

    Personally, I think Bouchard’s going to have to end up with a lot of 5v5 GA this week to not make the team. As has been mentioned by the host and others, the organisation is banging the drum and doing the dance. He’s making the team unless he’s catastrophically bad defensively in the rest of the preseason.

    John MacFarland’s story (injuries, other) is also detailed in the article at #17 and #18 for minor league nerds.

  157. jp says:

    kgo:
    I have questions!!!

    Let’s assume the team wishes to sign Garrison for $1.5M, and he is willing to sign for this amount…when does Sekera hit LTIR, and can this happen in time for Garrison to join the team in Germany?

    Let’s assume Bouchard returns to London, and his team wins the OHL championship…Is he eligible for recall at this point or is he obliged to report to the Memorial cup tournament?

    OriginalPouzar,

    They don’t need any form of LTIR to sign Garrison though, if they send Jerabek down.

    They have approx. 700k in cap space, and waiving Jerabek (whether he gets claimed or assigned to Bakersfield) will clear another approx. 1M. Right there is more than 1.5M for Garrison, if they wanted to go that route.

    Same thing for Chiasson, if he makes the team someone else has to go, so cash to sign him opens up.

    Then they could LTIR Sekera on opening day and have most of his salary available for additional moves if they wanted to use it.

    Correct?

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon:
    The one gap I see in positions that are primed to peak at the same time as the main Oilers clusters is a goalie who is 25 or 26 years old. Trying to sign Philip Grubauer this summer would have been ideal. He fits right in between Talbot and the youngsters coming up. Grubauer cost $3.3M, and Koskinen cost $2.5M. I think Grubauer would have been with the extra $800k and he could very well have been interested in joining a team with two fellow Germans on it and a starting goalie who just came of a terrible year (just like Varlamov in Colorado).

    Sure, Grubauer would likely have been great but he would have cost more than just money – material asset(s) going back or taking on a horrid contract like they did with Orpik (which we couldn’t have done).

  159. Jaxon says:

    Bouchard is interesting to watch. He is so calm in his own end. Is it calm or fear of going to far out of position? He didn’t go chasing very often in his own end. That may be a good thing but I think he will get burnt sometimes if he doesn’t engage more. I was watching him last night trying to figure out if it is slow boots, calmness, fear of venturing out of his comfort zone, or if he’s actually playing it smart and letting the play come to him rather than chasing it. I didn’t really come to a conclusion but it will be interesting to watch him as the competition gets stiffer.

  160. ArmchairGM says:

    kgo:
    I have questions!!!

    Let’s assume the team wishes to sign Garrison for $1.5M, and he is willing to sign for this amount…

    I have a question! Who in their right mind would pay Garrison $1.5M??

  161. treevojo says:

    ArmchairGM: I have a question! Who in their right mind would pay Garrison $1.5M??

    Exactly.

    PTO= league min

    Unless there is a bidding war like we seen with Calgary a few years ago.

  162. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure, Grubauer would likely have been great but he would have cost more than just money – material asset(s) going back or taking on a horrid contract like they did with Orpik (which we couldn’t have done).

    I should have researched that one a bit more. I thought they signed him as a free agent. Yes, totally implausible then. EDITED.

  163. OmJo says:

    ArmchairGM: I have a question! Who in their right mind would pay Garrison $1.5M??

    The same man paying Russell $4M?

  164. Jaxon says:

    Garrett Sparks fills that gap and one of MacIllhaney or Sparks has to be exposed on waivers soon. So maybe there is a trade to be made. 3rd or 4th round pick for Sparks?

  165. Jaxon says:

    One of my favourites, Justin Holl, may be on the verge of being sent down. Big, very fast, with great IQ and vision and a great first pass. He gets back and passes up before the other team has a chance to forecheck. Great, in-depth article at The Athletic about Justin Holl by Scott Wheeler.

  166. matt says:

    Lucic and pick to TO for Nylander? Kassian and a pick to Carolina for Faulk?

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