2018-19 Preseason Game Seven: Flames at Oilers

by Lowetide

Blame it on Larry Mavety. I believe he was in the hockey preview magazines every fall, as an NHL hopeful for one team or another. In modern times, you’d get quite a bit of information on a depth defenseman like Mavety (“prospect-stats.com has him No. 5 in the AHL in even-strength points and No. 2 in power-play points among blue”) but back then it was something like “Larry Mavety is also available” and that’s all she wrote.

I love watching prospects find their way to the NHL, especially the opening night roster. Evan Bouchard, Kailer Yamamoto and Ethan Bear will all sail far beyond Larry Mavety (who didn’t make the NHL but emerged as a solid player in the WHA) and their journey begins now. It’s hockey’s annual renewal, young men arriving and finding their place. It is a wonderful circle of life.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Is this the year an Edmonton Oilers player wins the Calder Trophy?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evan Bouchard enlists former figure skater to help improve a weakness in his game.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Mikko Koskinen temporarily triumphs over Al Montoya, but the real battle for the backup role has just started
  • New Eric Duhatschek: Milan Lucic has made changes to try and get his swagger, and scoring touch, back.
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the preseason performance of Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto mean for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Impressive Cooper Marody preseason could lead to NHL recall.
  • Lowetide: Oilers farm system beginning to resemble the real thing
  • New Lowetide: RE 18-19: Cam Talbot is key to Oilers success in 2018-19
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: A case for the defence.
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: Ryan Strome and the Oilers long journey to competent third and fourth lines
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: Leon Draisaitl and the pursuit of a second outscoring line in ’18-19
  • Lowetide: RE 18-19: Can the McDavid line lead the 2018-19 Oilers to the playoffs?

STILL OILERS

The roster is mostly set but there are some questions entering the final North American game of preseason (this afternoon’s contest). Jakub Jerabek was on the Certain list, partly because of his contract, but he hasn’t been good enough and that may mean Jason Garrison gets a contract. It’s also possible the team carries eight blue, and that Kailer Yamamoto heads to Bakersfield. Don’t forget about waivers. One thing I believe we can put into the 99.9% sure category:

I think that gives Bouchard the edge over Bear, and that makes sense because the 9-game run for Bouchard would give Bear a chance to gain a little more experience in the AHL. I have been surprised by Bear’s solid defensive play (the offense is assumed) and there’s a sliver of a chance they keep both, but in this moment it’s important to remember seasons past when we weren’t having this conversation due to lack of depth. These are better days.

WAIVERS

  • G Zane McIntyre, Boston Bruins. I doubt it happens, but Chiarelli drafted him for the Bruins in 2010. Posted a .914 save percentage in the AHL last season, he was 2, 2.38 .894 during preseason.
  • L Nicolas Kerdiles, Anaheim Ducks. Has 22 goals in his last 76 games (over two seasons) and his scouting report contains some power forward elements.
  • L Dennis Everberg, Winnipeg Jets. Big winger who has decent speed (and like Kerdiles) some power-forward bullet points. Don’t know if he can score but he fits the Chiarelli template.
  • LC Brendan Gaunce, Vancouver Canucks. Former first-round selection, has size and two-way ability. Skating is an issue.
  • LC Peter Holland, New York Rangers. He’s found a way to hang around the NHL since 2011-12, and one suspects he’ll spend time in the league again this season. Has a nice range of skills, Edmonton could use him I believe as an extra forward.

CURRENT CONDORS

  • Rookie pro players to watch are Tyler Benson, Cooper Marody, William Lagesson, Stuart Skinner. That’s your future in terms of new arrivals.
  • Recall options include Caleb Jones, Kevin Gravel, Keegan Lowe, Al Montoya, Josh Currie, Brad Malone, Joe Gambardella and Patrick Russell.

https://twitter.com/SteveBurtch/status/1045890640532299776

This is a player I would love to see Edmonton acquire in the coming days. Inexpensive contract, solid offensive ability, plug and play. I imagine Toronto will find a way to keep him, they always do, but Leivo is a good hockey player who needs 500 at-bats. Edmonton has the opportunity.

KOSKINEN NMC

Jason Gregor broke news on his show yesterday, Peter Chiarelli telling him Mikko Koskinen has a no movement along with $2.5 million on his one-year deal. I don’t really care about a NMC on a one-year deal, and the money is dear but the general manager was in search of a potential replacement for Cam Talbot beginning 2019-20 (Talbot may price himself out of Edmonton’s market, much like Curtis Joseph 20 years ago).

As an idea, I have no quarrel, but do wonder about the ability of this team to assess talent at the pro level. Is Mikko Koskinen (.937 save percentage last season) a better NHL goalie than Anders Nilsson (.936 in the same league the year before he played for Edmonton)?

I think offering a $2.5 million, one-year, no movement contract to a future No. 1 goalie is a fine idea, but the Oilers own past makes me wonder if they made the right choice. They got it right 2006 deadline with Dwayne Roloson, Mathieu Garon had a solid year, Nikolai Khabibulin couldn’t stay healthy. Ben Scrivens had his moments, Anders Nilsson okay, Jonas Gistavsson a misstep, Al Montoya not good enough.

The problem is you develop a past. We owe Mikko Koskinen his 500 at-bats and we are about to see about him.

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Bank Shot

jp: Haha, well Caggiula was only a drag on McDavid one of the two years.

Also, McDavid has played just over 200 min with Caggiula, more than 850 with Lucic.

#CaggiulaEffects are negligible, despite what some say.

Nuge and Rattie drug him down quite a bit probably.

Yeti

Gerta Rauss: Yeti won last year with a guess of 69 points

That was no guess. I used a highly elaborate mathematical system to calculate that points total.

marconiuse

hunter1909,

Hi Hunter,
Put me down for 105 points and 27 Yak Attacks

Thank you my friend!

Wilde

jp: Is that a bad thing?

No. I was scared of being right about it.

Either way early days, but he’s been better w/o the puck in the DZ than I thought he’d be by next season’s camp, let alone this one.

He played that 2-on-1 better than half our NHL roster did on any last season, all season.

hunter1909

Bohologo: Sorry, got to note that Yakupov plays for CKA Saint Petersburg, wearing #65:
https://www.khl.ru/stat/players/671/all/ska/
https://www.khl.ru/players/16391/

I like St. Pete the city, but as a ЦСКА Moscow fan, can’t stand CKA St. Pete the hockey club, even with Yakupov.The good news is that Anton Slepyshev is playing for ЦСКА Moscow, but only 3 points in 11 games so far:
https://www.khl.ru/players/17504/

Have you seen him play? Any change in his play?

OriginalPouzar

I’m going to guess we’ll have a pretty slow couple of days with Oilers news.

I think they took everyone left in camp to Europe – damn injuries complicating things.

Can’t wait until Wed – I think I’m going to “work from home” and get ready for the game at 8am and the roster finalizing by 3pm.

Bohologo

OriginalPouzar: Currently at 2G/1A in 11 games.

I wonder if the coach doesn’t like his sideburns or if CSKA Moscow has an issue with Russians…….

Sorry, got to note that Yakupov plays for CKA Saint Petersburg, wearing #65:
https://www.khl.ru/stat/players/671/all/ska/
https://www.khl.ru/players/16391/

I like St. Pete the city, but as a ЦСКА Moscow fan, can’t stand CKA St. Pete the hockey club, even with Yakupov. The good news is that Anton Slepyshev is playing for ЦСКА Moscow, but only 3 points in 11 games so far:
https://www.khl.ru/players/17504/

N64

Decidedly Skeptical Fan: It’s for both … we cut the car right down the middle.

which separate somewhat explosively.

jp

godot10: #CaggiulaEffects

Haha, well Caggiula was only a drag on McDavid one of the two years.

Also, McDavid has played just over 200 min with Caggiula, more than 850 with Lucic.

#CaggiulaEffects are negligible, despite what some say.

Bos8

hunter1909: MacT would drop Leon from the team, to challenge him.

It’s the Motos and Bears I’m worried about. Exotic scalps for the Gothen collectors.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Also, Lucic had a much higher WTF? last year than he did the previous year and it was already fairly high in 2016-17. That’s what makes me wonder. Fortunately we have better options on the wing this year so if Looch struggles early, a coach who isn’t thoroughly mediocre would use the option to move him down in the batting order.We wait.

On second thought, maybe that last sentence should read “Wait …”

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

jp:
Lucic had a positive CF% last year without McDavid (just barely).

McDavid also had a better CF%, FF%, GF%, SCF% and HDCF% with Lucic than without Lucic in both 2016-17 and 2017-18.

Makes you wonder.

Also, Lucic had a much higher WTF? last year than he did the previous year and it was already fairly high in 2016-17. That’s what makes me wonder. Fortunately we have better options on the wing this year so if Looch struggles early, a coach who isn’t thoroughly mediocre would use the option to move him down in the batting order. We wait.

YEG FOLK

Hunter,

Put me down for 95 points.

Will roll the dice on 16 Yak goals.

godot10

jp:
Lucic had a positive CF% last year without McDavid (just barely).

McDavid also had a better CF%, FF%, GF%, SCF% and HDCF% with Lucic than without Lucic in both 2016-17 and 2017-18.

Makes you wonder.

#CaggiulaEffects

Professor Q

leadfarmer:
hunter1909,

How is yak still a valid tiebreaker when you can now see that he has 4 goals in 7 games.When the rest of us placed our bets there was only a few of us that had yak in the high teens to low 20s.Now all of them are

I mean, people should have checked his most recent KHL stats then, instead of going by “ah, well, it’s a low scoring league and he sucks”. He’s also now on a better team than he was on during the lockout season.

10 goals in 22 games.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: Wait, would a Pinto be for the winner or for last place? It’s not clear…

It’s for both … we cut the car right down the middle.

workaroundaccount

deardylan: Hunter

I’ll pay for Hunter if someone else picks up the tab for the blow.

On a related not, can I rent the cheer squad for a party?

jp

OriginalPouzar: Lucic has been a positive Corsi player in both his seasons as an Oiler…..

godot10: #McDavidEffects

Lucic had a positive CF% last year without McDavid (just barely).

McDavid also had a better CF%, FF%, GF%, SCF% and HDCF% with Lucic than without Lucic in both 2016-17 and 2017-18.

Makes you wonder.

Richard S.S.

OriginalPouzar:
From various pictures on social media, I think they took everyone to Europe – Bouchard, Yamamoto, Bear and Chiasson were all seen on or getting on the plane.

No official airing of Jarabek or Garrison but I don’t imagine Jarabek was left behind.

I think the banged up players have added some roster uncertainty.

They don’t need to declare their roster until 3pm on Wed.

With a flight right away, the Oilers would take zero risk with their Players today., so uncertainty is for wusses. Looks like 26 Players caught the flight. Interesting to see what happens then.

jp

hunter1909: MacT would drop Leon from the team, to challenge him.

He sure as hell would never have gotten the 8X8.5M deal.

hunter1909

Bos8:
Cologne is in the middle of Oktoberfest.And then on to the blonde sights of Gothenburg.

One could miss the flight back by a few days, just sayin

MacT would drop Leon from the team, to challenge him.

jp

Wilde:
I’m eating crow on Bouchard, to be honest.

Is that a bad thing?

godot10

Jethro Tull: I wonder if they have to pay extra for Lucic as baggage?

Can the Germans sink the Lucictania?

OriginalPouzar

Bank Shot: Do guys like Bear, Yamamoto and Bouchard even need to be on the roster?

Can you keep guys that don’t need to clear waivers around the team and “recall” them when needed?

I believe you can waiver players and not assign them and they don’t count towards the active roster. Wonder if you can do something similar with players that aren’t waiver eligible.

A guy like Garrison could be kept around the team indefinitely I imagine. He doesn’t have a contract. He’s just a guy hanging out. hah.

They don’t have to declare the roster until October 23 at 3pm.

Until then, they could have brought the entire training camp with them.

At that point in time, they need to be down to 23 – anyone not on that 23 will need to be re-assigned (and those that require waivers will need to be put on waivers the day before).

With the uncertainty around Russell, Rattie and Larsson (his back thing just happened), the are likely being cautious bringing over a larger group than they originally anticipated.

Bos8

Cologne is in the middle of Oktoberfest. And then on to the blonde sights of Gothenburg.

One could miss the flight back by a few days, just sayin

slopitch

Was at the game today, I think the idea to give Bouchard a 9 game trial is the right play. Looked fine today against a decent Flames linuep. Moved the puck well and i didn’t notice him defensively (in a good way) like you would early in Nurses career.

I think JJ has improved and Drai was fine today. People will complain about his corsi but the overall game looked good. He broke up a lot of plays, was physical and moved his feet better.

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour

N64: or a Ford Pinto.

Wait, would a Pinto be for the winner or for last place? It’s not clear…

Bank Shot

OriginalPouzar:
From various pictures on social media, I think they took everyone to Europe – Bouchard, Yamamoto, Bear and Chiasson were all seen on or getting on the plane.

No official airing of Jarabek or Garrison but I don’t imagine Jarabek was left behind.

I think the banged up players have added some roster uncertainty.

They don’t need to declare their roster until 3pm on Wed.

Do guys like Bear, Yamamoto and Bouchard even need to be on the roster?

Can you keep guys that don’t need to clear waivers around the team and “recall” them when needed?

I believe you can waiver players and not assign them and they don’t count towards the active roster. Wonder if you can do something similar with players that aren’t waiver eligible.

A guy like Garrison could be kept around the team indefinitely I imagine. He doesn’t have a contract. He’s just a guy hanging out. hah.

Bos8

Pescador: Nothing like a 9 hour flight to help loosen up the ol back muscles
ffs

He’s lucky if he’s ambulatory. Frankfurt has good massagists, the American legacy.

Tour the cathedral in Cologne, a few bier at the stube and he’ll be right as rain.

PaperBagDiscarded

Jethro Tull,

Straight up murder right here.

Pescador

Jethro Tull: I wonder if they have to pay extra for Lucic as baggage?

HIYOOH!!

OriginalPouzar

From various pictures on social media, I think they took everyone to Europe – Bouchard, Yamamoto, Bear and Chiasson were all seen on or getting on the plane.

No official airing of Jarabek or Garrison but I don’t imagine Jarabek was left behind.

I think the banged up players have added some roster uncertainty.

They don’t need to declare their roster until 3pm on Wed.

Jethro Tull

Pescador: Nothing like a 9 hour flight to help loosen up the ol back muscles
ffs

I wonder if they have to pay extra for Lucic as baggage?

Pescador

Bos8:
Larsson, back issues again, not good.Second worst scenario.

Nothing like a 9 hour flight to help loosen up the ol back muscles
ffs

OriginalPouzar

OriginalPouzar:
Maksimov finishes with a goal and an assist in a 6-1 win.

Samorukov held off the scoresheet in a 6-5 Guelph win (-1).

Rodrigue stop 19 of 22 but that 22nd shot turned out to be the winner.

flyfish1168

After watching today’s game, Yamamoto should make the team and play as a bottom 6 players to start. He PK well and can be the puck carrier on either line. He has the speed to make up for the lack of speed from Brodziak or Strome. Why are we trying to make him the shooter? Much better at being the puck carrier. JMHO

Ryan

Gerta Rauss: Yeti won last year with a guess of 69 points

The prize is a Kia Sorento*

https://oilersdeathmarch.com/season-201718/

*or Hunter brings a box of wine to your home and spends the weekend on your sofa

Ha. Fun to look back

15-16. I had the Oilers down for 83 points. Actual 70.

16-17. I had 95. Actual 103.

17-18. I had 96. Actual 78. Cost me a bottle of bunnahabhain 25.

Conclusion: I suck. Don’t trade for Faulk.

OriginalPouzar

Richard S.S.:
Oilers will have home rink advantage throughout the playoffs.Slepyshev has a better year than Yak.

Currently at 2G/1A in 11 games.

I wonder if the coach doesn’t like his sideburns or if CSKA Moscow has an issue with Russians…….

OriginalPouzar

Maksimov finishes with a goal and an assist in a 6-1 win.

Gerta Rauss

Ryan: I’m afraid to ask. Who won last year? What was the prize?

Yeti won last year with a guess of 69 points

The prize is a Kia Sorento*

https://oilersdeathmarch.com/season-201718/

*or Hunter brings a box of wine to your home and spends the weekend on your sofa

Ryan

N64: ~ it’s only a tie breaker. everyone who picked them to miss the playoffs knows they’ll make them out of spite. everyone who picked them to make the playoffs knows they’ll miss them out of spit. so everyone knows they’ll be wrong. so tiebreakers will not arise. qed. besides hunter’s probably going to make the award a pinto and rear end it ~

I’m afraid to ask. Who won last year? What was the prize?

N64

jm363561: 2. I don’t get the comment above about Yaks goals to date. Everyone knew they had until the puck drops in Europe to vote.

~ it’s only a tie breaker.

everyone who picked them to miss the playoffs knows they’ll make them out of spite. everyone who picked them to make the playoffs knows they’ll miss them out of spite. so everyone knows they’ll be wrong.

tiebreakers will not arise. qed. besides hunter’s probably going to make the award a pinto and rear end it after taking the oiler’s zamboni on a joy ride ~

jm363561

……..When the rest of us placed our bets there was only a few of us that had yak in the high teens to low 20s.Now all of them are…..
=====
1. Hunter, thank you so much for doing this.
2. I don’t get the comment above about Yaks goals to date. Everyone knew they had until the puck drops in Europe to vote.
3. My doom and gloom entry – 84 points. 18 Yakgoals.
– Talbot OK, back up goal tending a big ?
– PP not OK. PK OK.
– Lucic not OK.
– RW looking very OK.
– 2RD, D Depth, not looking good. Hopefully an LTIR contract.
– Impact of new coaches hmmm.

A'bunadh

hunter1909,

Put me down for 94 points + 22 goals for Yak. Thanks!

N64

Bank Shot: Change your picks.

LOL

Richard S.S.

Oilers will have home rink advantage throughout the playoffs. Slepyshev has a better year than Yak.

Bank Shot

leadfarmer:
hunter1909,

How is yak still a valid tiebreaker when you can now see that he has 4 goals in 7 games.When the rest of us placed our bets there was only a few of us that had yak in the high teens to low 20s.Now all of them are

Change your picks.

I’ll go 16 goals for Yak.

94 for the Oilers.

N64

Ryan: Anyway, my track record at Hunter’s contest is deplorable. However, I can rest assured knowing that first prize is not a Cadillac Eldorado.

or a Ford Pinto.

Oil2Oilers

OriginalPouzar,

I am willing to concede that I based my Yamamoto-Lucic working well together comment based on ‘seen them good’ last year in the NHL.

The basic conflict in our views is that you are not willing to give Rieder the benefit of the doubt as a top 6 player and I am not willing to give Lucic the benefit of the doubt as a top 6 player. Sadly we may both be correct.

Ryan

Ryan: AIDA.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wVQPY4LlbJ4

Anyway, my track record at Hunter’s contest is deplorable. However, I can rest assured knowing that first prize is not a Cadillac Eldorado.