Game Three AHL 2018-19: Condors at Barracuda

How often does the leading scorer of the Oilers’ top minor league affiliate win an NHL career after his success? Answer: Not too damned often. The truth is AHL kids who are good don’t play a full season there, it’s on to the show like a bat out of hell.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton is going to bring it all season long. Proud to be part of a lineup that is ready to cover the coming year. Outstanding coverage from a large group, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis, Lowetide, Minnia Feng and Pat McLean. If you haven’t subscribed yet, now’s your chance. Special offer is here, less than $3 a month!

  • New Lowetide: Practice lines in Boston, anger in Edmonton and Kailer Yamamoto remains on the No. 2 line.
  • New Jonathan Willis: At 34, is Kyle Brodziak just too old to help the Oilers?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Why Todd McLellan’s name keeps showing up on those ‘first coach fired in 2018-19’ lists
  • New James Mirtle: Sizing up the NHL 2018-19 by age, height and age (Oilers content)
  • Black Dog: Edmonton’s future is bright, but there are all kinds of questions in the present.
  • Lowetide: Evan Bouchard survives first game.
  • Lowetide: Ryan McLeod takes demotion in stride, while a Condo of Condors impress on opening weekend.
  • Jonathan Willis: On AHL opening night, Caleb Jones and friends make it clear they want NHL jobs.
  • Lowetide: Orange, white and blue October: In 1979, the Oilers rocked the NHL.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After the death of his father, Sweden trip holds special significance for Adam Larsson, and one of his opponents.
  • Scott Wheeler: How the eye test fails to properly evaluate Evan Bouchard.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Why the Nuge-McDavid-Rattie line has been so successful.
  • Lowetide: The 2018-19 Oilers are in a period of transition.
  • Jonathan Willis: How worried should the Oilers be about the preseason struggles of Milan Lucic and Leon Draisaitl?

YEAR BY YEAR

Here are the leaders in points by year, and the men from those teams who either beat them or joined them in the NHL. I list players only once, so they might have qualified in seasons where they aren’t listed.

  • 79-80 Mike Toal 76gp, 31-45-76 for the Houston Apollos of the Central League. He played in three NHL games, but Mark Messier (1756), Charlie Huddy (1017), Tom Roulston (195), Jim Corsi (26), Mike Forbes (18), Kari Makkonen (9), Alex Tidey (5), Ron Areshenkoff (4) bested him. Roy Sommer (3) and Bryon Baltimore (2) either tied or were close.
  • 80-81 Tom Roulston 69gp, 63-44-107 for the Wichita Wind of the Central League. He played in 195 games, but Andy Moog (713) and Walt Poddubny (468) bested him.
  • 81-82 Walt Poddubny 60gp, 35-46-81 for the Wichita Wind of the Central League. He played in 468 games, no one close but Marc Habscheid played 345.
  • 82-83 Ray Cote 80gp, 28-63-91 for the Moncton Alpines. He played 15 NHL games, fewer than Steve Smith (804), Pat Conacher (499), John Blum (250), Joe McDonnell (43), Serge Boisvert (29). Mike Zanier, who is my guest today, was on this team and played in three NHL games for the Oilers.
  • 83-84 Ray Cote 66gp, 26-36-62 for the Moncton Alpines. He played 15 games, Larry Melnyk trumped him with 357 from this point to the end of his career.
  • 84-85 Ray Cote 79gp, 36-43-79 for the Nova Scotia Oilers. He played 15 games, Raimo Summanen (149), Steve Graves (33), Gord Sherven (28), Ken Berry (27) and Jim Playfair beat him out. At this point, the NHL Oilers were an all-star team, so it’s a little unfair to look back on these names in this way.
  • 85-86 Bruce Boudreau 65gp, 30-36-66 for the Nova Scotia Oilers. Boudreau played 131 games, but they were all in the past (save 7 with Chicago). Esa Tikkanen (877), Marty McSorley (874), Jeff Beukeboom (804), Billy Carroll (52), Darryl Reaugh (26), John Miner (14) all played a little or a lot.
  • 86-87 Bruce Boudreau 78gp, 35-47-82 for the Nova Scotia Oilers. Kelly Buchberger (1182), Normand Lacombe (225), Jim Wiemer (222), Alfie Turcotte (27), Selmar Odelein (14), Don Biggs (11), Tom McMurchy (9) all played more NHL games.
  • 87-88 Mark Lamb 69gp, 27-61-88 Nova Scotia Oilers. Lamb played in 380 NHL games, but Shaun Van Allen (794) and Chris Joseph (510) played in more.
  • 88-89 Mark Lamb 54gp, 33-49-82 Cape Breton Oilers. Lamb played in 380 NHL games, Alan May (393) just eclipsed him.
  • 89-90 John Leblanc 77gp, 54-34-88 Cape Breton Oilers. Leblanc had 38 NHL games left in his career, shy of Norm MacIver (397).
  • 90-91 Shaun Van Allen 76gp, 25-75-100 for Cape Breton Oilers. He played in 794 games, making him the leading scorer and GP leader. Shjon Podein (699) came pretty damned close.
  • 91-92 Shaun Van Allen 77gp, 29-84-113 for Cape Breton Oilers. His 794 games were shy of Martin Rucinsky (961) and Scott Thornton (908).
  • 92-93 Dan Currie 75gp, 57-41-98 for Cape Breton Oilers. He had just 10 games left in his career, so several men would pass him: Kirk Maltby (1072), Steven Rice (315), Francois Leroux (242), Peter White (220), Roman Oksiuta (153), Vladimir Vujtek (108), Ian Herbers (65), Bill McDougall (26).
  • 93-94 Peter White 45gp, 21-49-70 Cape Breton Oilers. White played in 220 NHL games, fewer than Dean McAmmond (991), Tyler Wright (613), Louie Debrusk (376 games left), Fred Brathwaite (254).
  • 94-95 Peter White 65gp, 36-69-105 Cape Breton Oilers. White’s 220 games were fewer than Todd Marchant (1191), Miro Satan (1050), Greg DeVries (878), David Vyborny (543), David Oliver (233).
  • 95-96 Rem Murray 79gp, 31-59-90 Cape Breton Oilers. Murray played in 560 NHL games, Ryan Smyth (1267) played nine games for the 95-96 Cape Breton club.
  • 96-97 Ralph Intranuovo 68gp, 36-40-76 Hamilton Bulldogs. Intranuovo in just 8 more games, so there’s a pretty large list of men who played more: Georges Laraque (695), Sean Brown (436), Mats Lindgren (387), Bryan Muir (274), Scott Ferguson (218), Steve Kelly (149), Steve Passmore (93), Dennis Bonvie (82), Jason Bonsignore (58), Joe Hulbig (55).
  • 97-98 Jeff Daw 79gp, 28-35-63 for Hamilton Bulldogs. Daw played in one NHL game, so the list is long: Boyd Devereaux (627), Dan Lacouture (337), Ladislav Benysek (161), Mike Watt (157), Craig Millar (113), Scott Fraser (57), Doug Friedman (18), Bill Bowler (9), Peter Sarno 7.
  • 98-99 Chris Ferraro 72gp, 35-41-76 Hamilton Bulldogs. Ferraro had just 14 games left in his NHL career. Jim Dowd (583), Tim Thomas (426), Todd Rierden (183), Brad Norton (124) all played more.
  • 99-00 Daniel Cleary 58gp, 22-52-74 Hamilton Bulldogs. Cleary played in 897 games, trumping all but Jason Chimera (1107).
  • 00-01 Paul Healey 79gp, 39-32-71 Hamilton Bulldogs. He would go on to play 71 NHL games, fewer than Shawn Horcoff (1008), Fernando Pisani (462), Alex Henry (177), Brian Swanson (70) and Alain Nasreddine (59).
  • 01-02 Jason Chimera 77gp, 26-51-77 Hamilton Bulldogs. He played 1107 games.
  • 02-03 Jarret Stoll 76gp, 21-33-54 Hamilton Bulldogs. He played 872 games.
  • 03-04 Jamie Wright 78gp, 25-30-55 Toronto Roadrunners. He didn’t play in any more NHL games, so the list is long: Marc-Andre Bergeron (485), Brad Winchester (390), Jeff Woywitka (278), Tony Salmelainen (70), Mathieu Roy (66), Jani Rita (53), Bobby Allen (50), Steve Valiquette (40), Mike Morrison (29), Mike Bishai (14), Peter Sarno (7), Dan Smith (5) and Doug Lynch (2).
  • 04-05 Tony Salmelainen 76gp, 22-24-46 Edmonton Roadrunner. Salmelainen played 70 NHL games, exceeded by Kyle Brodziak (848), Toby Petersen (317), Jeff Deslauriers (62), Martin St. Pierre (39).
  • 05-06 Marc Pouliot 65gp, 15-30-45 Hamilton Bulldogs. He played in 192 NHL games, more than everyone but Matt Greene (615), Zack Stortini (257), Ty Conklin (216).
  • 06-07 Kyle Brodziak 62gp, 24-32-56 Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins. Brodziak has played in 848 games, the highest total among Oilers prospects in this season. Tom Gilbert had a solid career, 655 games.
  • 07-08 Rob Schremp 45gp, 11-32-45 Springfield Falcons. He played in 114 games, shy of the following: Devan Dubnyk (425), Jean-Francois Jacques (166), Theo Peckham (160), Troy Bodie (159), Colin McDonald (148).
  • 08-09 Ryan Potulny 70gp, 38-24-62 Springfield Falcons. Potulny would play in 82 more games, fewer than Taylor Chorney (166), Gilbert Brule (143), Tim Sestito (101), Liam Reddox (99).
  • 09-10 Charles Linglet 75gp, 19-55-74 Springfield Falcons. He played just five games, the list who played more: Ryan O’Marra (33), Alex Plante (10), Bryan Lerg (8).
  • 10-11 Alexandre Giroux 70gp, 32-46-78 Oklahoma City Barons. He played 17 more games, several played more: Jeff Petry (529), Chris VandeVelde (278), Mark Arcobello (139), Linus Omark (79), Teemu Hartikainen (52).
  • 11-12 Ryan Keller 71gp, 21-28-49 Oklahoma City Barons. He played in zero games, so all of these names were more successful: Magnus Paajarvi (310), Anton Lander (215), Tyler Pitlick (141), Phil Cornet (2), Curtis Hamilton (1).
  • 12-13 Mark Arcobello 74gp, 22-46-68 Oklahoma City Barons. He played in 139 games. Martin Marincin (178), Brandon Davidson (152) and Taylor Fedun (46) have played in more.
  • 13-14 Anton Lander 46gp, 18-34-52 Oklahoma City Barons. He played in 215 NHL games, Oscar Klefbom (256) has played in more.
  • 14-15 Andrew Miller 67gp, 27-33-60 Oklahoma City Barons. He played in 15 games. Iiro Pakarinen (134), Jujhar Khaira (95), Jordan Oesterle (81), Brad Hunt (75), Laurent Brossoit (28) have all played in more.
  • 15-16 Matt Ford 64gp, 27-24-51 Bakersfield Condors. Ford never played in an NHL game. Those who have: Leon Draisaitl (270), Darnell Nurse (198), Anton Slepyshev (102), Griffin Reinhart (29), Dillon Simpson (3).
  • 16-17 Anton Lander 42gp, 25-30-55 Bakersfield Condors. Lander played 215 NHL games, no one is close but Jesse Puljujarvi (94) will eventually exceed that number.
  • 17-18 Josh Currie 68gp, 20-26-46 Bakersfield Condors. He played in zero NHL games but did get an NHL contract. Ethan Bear (18) and Ty Rattie (14) were among those who will post solid GP numbers as the years roll along.

This year Brad Malone (2, 1-3-4) is the early leading scorer, but will no doubt get passed by any number of these kids who will get substantial power-play time. I know this is long and rambling but the exercise does have a point, actually two:

  • Most of the future NHLers are in the big leagues enough during entry deals to take them out of contention for big scoring numbers. They don’t lead their teams in scoring because their career trajectories have them exceeding the league.
  • Players who both lead their teams in scoring and go on to long NHL careers (Shaun Van Allen, Daniel Cleary, Jason Chimera, Jarret Stoll, Kyle Brodziak) inevitably had things they needed to improve on in the minors before emerging as useful big league players. In Stoll’s case that might be a stretch.

I have always believed NHL teams are going to bring specific player types from their AHL teams:

  • Goalies who can rise through the organization with the AHL as the last stop (Devan Dubnyk).
  • Defensemen who grind their weaknesses into strengths and find a way to do the difficult work of defending (Brandon Davidson)
  • Forwards with enough offense to move the needle at the highest levels (Jason Chimera, Fernando Pisani) but need a place to develop their skills, grind their own weaknesses from their game (as is the case with blue), and to learn how to survive while figuring out a way to score enough in the NHL to survive.
  • Mike Walton, Rob Schremp types who have offensive value but something in their game (discipline, discipline) holding them back.

So, the question for us, dear reader, is how far along is Ethan Bear? Caleb Jones? William Lagesson? Which family of forwards does Cooper Marody belong to? Tyler Benson?

NUGE?

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins injuries and illnesses are an annual event for Oilers fans, he played 82 games in 2016-17 but missed 20 a year ago and 27 games in 2015-16. He often gets the flu around this time of year and has endured all manner of issues through his NHL seasons. We’ll find out this morning if he’s well enough to go in the second game of the season tomorrow, and if not then expect a shuffle and for Drake Caggiula to draw in.

Which brings me to an interesting question: Who is the first forward recalled? It depends on who is injured of course, but I think Cooper Marody has to be near the top of the ‘skill forward’ list.

CONDORS ROSTER

These aren’t lines and pairings, just an estimated depth chart. Starrett and Bear are the new adds, Dylan Wells and Jeromy Beaudry no longer on the roster. There are now two forwards (Marody, Benson) and three defensemen (Bear, Jones and Lagesson) for Oilers fans to follow closely in California at this time.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we continue the “NHL season without the Oilers” with a varied look at the wide world of sports. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. Back from Newfoundland with thousands of photographs and memories, we’ll chat hockey drafts and Oilers losing games we get to stare at for a week.
  • Mike Zanier, former Oilers goalie and Swedish hockey analyst. We’ll chat Joel Persson, Filip Berglund and reaction to the Oilers game in Sweden against New Jersey Devils.
  • Jon Campbell, Sports Analyst at OddsShark.com. We’ve been looking for someone to drop by the show and talk sporting odds and gaining an edge, Jon Campbell is a home-run guest. Can’t wait to talk to him about Notre Dame football!

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

written by

The author didn‘t add any Information to his profile yet.
Related Posts

308 Responses to "Game Three AHL 2018-19: Condors at Barracuda"

Newer Comments »
  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Just a quick nitpick – Josh Currie didn’t get a one-way contract, he got an NHL contract (as oppossed to an AHL deal) but its a 2-way deal.

  2. Wilde says:

    Lowetide: The truth is AHL kids who are good don’t play a full season there, it’s on to the show like a bat out of hell.

    You don’t say.

    I just finished something on Cooper Marody’s NHL readiness featuring myself making excuses for his scoring rates and physical play

    http://petropraxis.blogspot.com/2018/10/cooper-marody-approachin.html

  3. zatch says:

    Great post, LT. Fun trip down Memory Lane, no matter your age. Tony Salmelainen was a game breaker in NHL 06 , if I recall, because he had a helluva speed stat.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Just a note. As per Woodcroft yesterday, Bear will play big minutes on a pairing with Keegan Lowe and Jones will play with Gravel.

    Jones has been playing the right side with Stanton through the first two games and has been unreal good – best player on the team to my eye in both games.

    Hopefully, with Gravel (who has NHL experience on the right side), he’ll get to go back to his natural left side.

    I wonder if they will sit Stanton, who is on an NHL deal, to keep Logan Day in with Lagesson – Day has been good.

  5. Oil2Oilers says:

    The lull in games and my low expectations for the year have me dreaming of a young future. 2019-20 Oilers line up;

    McCleod-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Lucic-Strome-Rieder
    Benson-Kharia-Marody

    McDavid with young big horses that can keep up, Drai with skill, a boring 3d line and a 4th that could actually score a goal.

    Draft Dylan Cozens and have Krill and Safin lighting up the AHL.

    Maybe we can get Nuge that Supper Strong Flu shot they now advertise for Seniors.

  6. Wilde says:

    Arcobello was close. I like that guy.

    How many games do we think Marincin gets in, all said and done?

    I don’t know if there’s any another GM/Coach combo that would have given him what he’s got right now.

    It’d be a universe-taunt if he gets his name on the Cup and gets short-term contracts and hits ~800 games.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    The fact that Cooper Marody may be the first call-up is the exact reason why I think the Oilers should have claimed Pontus Aberg.

    Pontus could have gone to the AHL and have his cap hit fully buryable and would be available for recall.

    Not only does he put another body between the NHL and the career AHLers like Patrick Russell (and Brad Malone) but he provides shelter so we don’t need to rush a guy like Marody or Benson to the NHL before they are ready.

    Like, seriously, can we not give a first year pro like Marody even a few months, let alone an entire year, of development time?

  8. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    How are you seeing Keegan Lowe?

    I thought he was awful game two. Could have been worse than it was, and it was bad.

  9. maudite says:

    Man I still think matts lingren could have been a hell of a lot more meaningful to this team if not for odd fail rate on developing and utilizing euros from certain regions wasnt a long standing oiler tradition

  10. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The fact that Cooper Marody may be the first call-up is the exact reason why I think the Oilers should have claimed Pontus Aberg.

    Pontus could have gone to the AHL and have his cap hit fully buryable and would be available for recall.

    Not only does he put another body between the NHL and the career AHLers like Patrick Russell (and Brad Malone) but he provides shelter so we don’t need to rush a guy like Marody or Benson to the NHL before they are ready.

    Like, seriously, can we not give a first year pro like Marody even a few months, let alone an entire year, of development time?

    please don’t post anymore about Pontus Aberg,
    It’s over

  11. John Chambers says:

    I sure appreciate the “Oilers History” threaded through this blog, with context offered from someone who followed the team as passionately in 1979 as we do now.

    Between LT and Bruce we sure are fortunate. It brings me back to my childhood, reading the stats page before school, pondering when the Oilers would call up Ralph Intranuovo, convinced he’d contribute to the big club if they’d just give him a chance.

  12. Pescador says:

    Oil2Oilers:

    a 4th that could actually score a goal.

    If you’re lookin for trouble friend, you found it
    bikeracks at 3:30

  13. Wilde says:

    Pescador: please don’t post anymore about Pontus Aberg,
    It’s over

    I thought I was the Guy Mad About Pontus

  14. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I find the organizations depth rating for Caleb Jones and Ethan Bear interesting….I really like both a lot just find it interesting the org. seems to ( at this time at least ) rank Bear higher.

    This surprises me a little as Caleb has more tools that Ethan but probably more to learn in his own end.

    I realize I am not the only one who thinks this as Caleb himself pointed to this in an interview earlier in the year.

    He walked a very fine line- but he nearly came right out and said he thought he was a better player than Bear – even though they are good friends.

    Anyway, really happy to read OP’s comment that Caleb is progressing nicely.

  15. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar: The fact that Cooper Marody may be the first call-up is the exact reason why I think the Oilers should have claimed Pontus Aberg.

    Marody being called up doesn’t concern me all that much. He’ll turn 22 in December. He’s played in the NCAA against men and the NCAA isn’t that far below AHL. It’s well above OHL, QMJHL and WHL. He’s also already touted as a defensively responsible player with good speed. He scored at basically the same rate as Caggiula did in his final year of NCAA and was about 6 months younger than Caggiula. Many NCAA players go directly to the NHL. It’s great if he can spend a bit more time in the HAL, but I wouldn’t be too concerned about his development curve at this stage.

    That said, if they plan on getting Chiasson some games then it doesn’t make sense to bring up Marody. If Chiasson plays, you might as well bring up Malone or Russell to sit in the press box.

  16. jtblack says:

    Free squares on the bingo card? don’t see many.

    Oilers schedule is challenging to say the least:

    BOS
    NYR *
    WPG
    BOS
    NSH
    PITT
    WSH
    NSH
    CHI
    MIN
    CHI
    DET*
    WSH
    T.B.
    FLA

    Det and NYR would be the only “easy” games. But no games are easy for Edmonton. I don’t remember a sched this tough in the last 3 years. This sched is littered with Cup Champs and Top Contenders.

    My Heart is trying to be hopeful. My head say “Oh Oh” ……

  17. dustrock says:

    Funny how guys like Kurt Leavins are just now griping about the schedule.

    I’ve been fuming about it/terrified for the team for months now.

    No divisional games until Nov 19th lolllll

  18. dustrock says:

    If the Oilers somehow manage to hit. 500 by Halloween, they have a real chance at the playoffs.

    I expect they’ll post better records in November and December and you’ll see lots of ledes about the “Oilers are finally figuring it out” but it’s all schedule based.

  19. Atc-Nate says:

    I saw Aberg good. I saw Yakupov … less good, but I really wanted him to be successful, here and elsewhere.

    When other teams move on from players that the Oilers have waived/traded it becomes time to admit that I was wrong. It’s a blow to my “saw him good” GM mentality, (how dare you waive the guy with speed that scored in preseason driving to the net)

  20. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack:
    Free squares on the bingo card?don’t see many.

    Oilers schedule is challenging to say the least:

    BOS
    NYR *
    WPG
    BOS
    NSH
    PITT
    WSH
    NSH
    CHI
    MIN
    CHI
    DET*
    WSH
    T.B.
    FLA

    Det and NYR would be the only “easy” games.But no games are easy for Edmonton.I don’t remember a sched this tough in the last 3 years. This sched is littered with Cup Champs and Top Contenders.

    My Heart is trying to be hopeful. My head say “Oh Oh” ……

    If you cant beat playoff teams you dont belong in the playoffs. Pitt lost their goalie for a while and their defense is always leaky. Rask is starting off slow.

  21. Jaxon says:

    Tavares and Matthews are on pace to score over 260 goals by themselves.

  22. Jaxon says:

    DeMelo off to a good start in Ottawa. 3GP, 3pts, +7 on that team is pretty good, playing on the top pair. Top pair! He’s playing the right side with young Thomas Chabot, who is being looked at to replace some of Karlsson’s production. Under 200 NHL games between the two players. Chabot’s also off to a good start with 5 pts in 3 games. Hmmm, maybe we should have grabbed Demelo this summer.

  23. leadfarmer says:

    Jaxon:
    Tavares and Matthews are on pace to score over 260 goals by themselves.

    Matthews is breaking even while scoring a bunch of points. Best get quick rich scheme ever. We always talk about d scoring points and getting paid while not being good defensively. Why arent we talking about forwards especially centers. I’m going to laugh when he just breaks even and the Leafs will pay him Mcdavid money for playing all out offense. Actually they will pay all their young guys big money for playing all out offense minimal defense.
    The Maple Leafs have given up 4.25 gpg without having played a single playoff team (maybe Dallas if you squint very hard)

  24. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The fact that Cooper Marody may be the first call-up is the exact reason why I think the Oilers should have claimed Pontus Aberg.

    Pontus could have gone to the AHL and have his cap hit fully buryable and would be available for recall.

    Not only does he put another body between the NHL and the career AHLers like Patrick Russell (and Brad Malone) but he provides shelter so we don’t need to rush a guy like Marody or Benson to the NHL before they are ready.

    Like, seriously, can we not give a first year pro like Marody even a few months, let alone an entire year, of development time?

    Very simple grasshopper the head coach won’t play him!! McLellan has his favorites ie Caggiula and others such as Aberg. The GM has moved on from a number of players because the coach won’t play them!

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    The lull in games and my low expectations for the year have me dreaming of a young future. 2019-20 Oilers line up;

    McCleod-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Lucic-Strome-Rieder
    Benson-Kharia-Marody

    McDavid with young big horses that can keep up, Drai with skill, a boring 3d line and a 4th that could actually score a goal.

    Draft Dylan Cozens and have Krill and Safin lighting up the AHL.

    Maybe we can get Nuge that Supper Strong Flu shot they now advertise for Seniors.

    McLeod may very well be 1LW but he’ll likely be fighting with Maksimov for that spot in Bakersfield.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    How are you seeing Keegan Lowe?

    I thought he was awful game two. Could have been worse than it was, and it was bad.

    The entire team took a step back in game two and, I agree, Lowe struggled (and he wasn’t great in the first game but less noticeable which, for a player like Lowe, is a good thing).

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: please don’t post anymore about Pontus Aberg,
    It’s over

    When we are talking about Cooper Marody being the first call-up, to me, its 100% relevant.

  28. Jaxon says:

    leadfarmer: Matthews is breaking even while scoring a bunch of points.Best get quick rich scheme ever.We always talk about d scoring points and getting paid while not being good defensively.Why arent we talking about forwards especially centers.I’m going to laugh when he just breaks even and the Leafs will pay him Mcdavid money for playing all out offense.Actually they will pay all their young guys big money for playing all out offense minimal defense

    I found that funny as well. Can’t dispute that. I will laugh too. Leafs and Canes are scoring in bunches, but they’re not exactly keeping the puck out of their own net. that said, they are winning. Doubt this is sustainable hockey, though.

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I find the organizations depth rating for Caleb Jones and Ethan Bear interesting….I really like both a lot just find it interesting the org. seems to ( at this time at least ) rank Bear higher.

    This surprises me a littleas Caleb has more tools that Ethan but probably more to learn in his own end.

    I realize I am not the only one who thinks this as Caleb himself pointed to this in an interview earlier in the year.

    He walked a very fine line-but he nearly came right out and said he thought he was a better player than Bear – even though they are good friends.

    Anyway, really happy to read OP’s comment that Caleb is progressing nicely.

    They’ve kind of been back and forth a little bit.

    In my opinion, Jones had the better camp in 2017 and was ahead of Bear and then, while both took a bit to find their games as rookie pros, Bear had the better year last year.

    Given their finish last year, Bear was ranked ahead of Jones and both had solid camps this year showing very good progression.

    I think the main reason the Bear is ahead of Jones right now is largely a function of less NHL depth on the right side. If Jones shot right and Bear left, things might look very different.

  30. leadfarmer says:

    Jaxon: I found that funny as well. Can’t dispute that. I will laugh too. Leafs and Canes are scoring in bunches, but they’re not exactly keeping the puck out of their own net. that said, they are winning. Doubt this is sustainable hockey, though.

    Well Canes at least havent played their starting goalie yet and part of the reason for their high GA is that Mrazek is just not very good. Andersen has played 3/4 games.
    Also Staal has 5 points and is a +5 so hes putting up points and being responsible defensively

  31. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jaxon: I found that funny as well. Can’t dispute that. I will laugh too. Leafs and Canes are scoring in bunches, but they’re not exactly keeping the puck out of their own net. that said, they are winning. Doubt this is sustainable hockey, though.

    – It’s not sustainable at their level, but I did make the call that scoring is going up, and that the models aren’t reflecting this.

    – It think the Oil will score a lot more than the RE, and this scoring will mitigate some of the D issues, that are real, but perhaps not as important with more goals

  32. Darth Tu says:

    If the Nuge is out for the game on Thursday, who do we see stepping up to the McDavid line? Caggiula? And secondly, who should it be if it’s not Cags? Personally I’d love to see Khaira get a shot with McDavid, he’d maybe do a good job mimicking Maroon from 2 seasons ago. That said McLellan is unlikely to immediately jump to that combo (favorites and all that).

    Khaira-Mcd-Rattie
    Lucic-Drai-Yam
    Rieder-Strome-Pool
    Cags-Brodziak-Kassian

  33. leadfarmer says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – It’s not sustainable at their level, but I did make the call that scoring is going up, and that the models aren’t reflecting this.

    – It think the Oil will score a lot more than the RE, and this scoring will mitigate some of the D issues, that are real, but perhaps not as important with more goals

    Actually the opposite. Getting the puck out of our zone will be highlighted even more as an issue

  34. jtblack says:

    I know Nurse is not supposed to score many goals. But Oiler Nation seems to value him as a decent offensive Dman.

    He has 0 goals and 8 assists in his last 37 games.

    Just sayin’

  35. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    leadfarmer: Actually the opposite.Getting the puck out of our zone will be highlighted even more as an issue

    – I think Bouchard, Nurse and Klef (so one on each pairing) are all plus puck mover out of zone.

    – Klef can also score a lot when healthy, and Bouchard/Bear should rack up more assists than grade A mistakes on the 3rd pairing

    – So the flow of the game has changed, and more scoring is a better environment for our D than a dead-puck era IMO

  36. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Jaxon,

    Matthews is a bonafide stud. Unbelievable hockey talent, but he’s got the Young Ovechkin in him me thinks. It’ll take some time for him to round out his game on the defensive side but he is the 2nd best young player in the game.

    And yup the Matthews/Tavares show looks good! But it’s more than that. Its the Matthews/Tavares/Marner show and it should have included Nylander.

    Lots of salivating over Kyle Dubas but its bizarre that rather than sign 3 drafted and developed RFAs the second the opportunity arose he chose to chase a Whale of epic proportions at what is without doubt the teams deepest position.

    What happens when Ron Hainsey and Jake Gardiner are up for renewal? What happens if Nikita Zaitsev doesn’t meet that contract? What happens to Frederik Andersen who will likely see another 65+ game regular season? Can the now bare backup goalie department withstand the rest necessary for Andersen, that the fantastic posters here have shown is, needed for a deep playoff run?

    Cap hell is running full steam for Kyle Dubas. Brendan Shanahan’s pre-season presser to the young players to “make a sacrifice for the team,” shows they are aware of it. Also if one thinks TMac is an angry old man with his players he can’t hold a candle to Mike B and ole Shanny.

    I personally think the Leafs made a mistake on Tavares. A good player yes, but he is already the 2nd (and one could make the argument for 3rd) best player on that team behind Matthews and Marner. And those two young men are going to want to be paid.

    It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

  37. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – It’s not sustainable at their level, but I did make the call that scoring is going up, and that the models aren’t reflecting this.

    – It think the Oil will score a lot more than the RE, and this scoring will mitigate some of the D issues, that are real, but perhaps not as important with more goals

    Scoring is always up at the start of the season. Same as it was last year and the year before

  38. leadfarmer says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I think Bouchard, Nurse and Klef (so one on each pairing) are all plus puck mover out of zone.

    – Klef can also score a lot when healthy, and Bouchard/Bear should rack up more assists than grade A mistakes on the 3rd pairing

    – So the flow of the game has changed, and more scoring is a better environment for our D than a dead-puck era IMO

    Klef skates the puck well but doesnt move it well. Bouchard may not be here in a few weeks. That leaves Klefbom

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ooops, posted this in the last thread – Nuge is practicing today.

  40. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Panic over then. I had the fear that Cags was going to be on the top line against Boston!

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon: Marody being called up doesn’t concern me all that much. He’ll turn 22 in December. He’s played in the NCAA against men and the NCAA isn’t that far below AHL. It’s well above OHL, QMJHL and WHL. He’s also already touted as a defensively responsible player with good speed. He scored at basically the same rate as Caggiula did in his final year of NCAA and was about 6 months younger than Caggiula. Many NCAA players go directly to the NHL. It’s great if he can spend a bit more time in the HAL, but I wouldn’t be too concerned about his development curve at this stage.

    That said, if they plan on getting Chiasson some games then it doesn’t make sense to bring up Marody. If Chiasson plays, you might as well bring up Malone or Russell to sit in the press box.

    Fair enough (although I will disagree that NCAA is not far off from the AHL – while it may be above the CHL due to age of players, I think its far from the minor pro league in North America).

    Yes, Marody is more mature given he’s a college guy, however, at the same time, he’s played 5 professional hockey games. Very few players don’t need some minor league development time and those players are usually higher pedigree draftees.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Cooper Marody – I watched 5 Michigan games post trade last year and both Condors games this year – we have a player. At the same time, notwithstanding his age, he is a first year pro with 5 professional games. Sure, maybe he could come in and not hurt the team on the 4th line but I would prefer him to continue to develop his game in Bakersfield – top 6 minutes, both special teams, etc.

    Its interesting that you use Caggulia as a comparable because, if anything, to me, that shows the determent in rushing this type of player. I’m not saying that Caggulia wouldn’t be having struggles at the NHL level if he had a year in the AHL but he may very well be a better player for it. Its somewhat clear his offence was zoomed by his linemates (which likely isn’t the case for Marody), however, he is a guy that should have gone to the AHL but has never had the opportunity and continues to struggle at the NHL level – in all aspects of the game.

  42. ArmchairGM says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    The lull in games and my low expectations for the year have me dreaming of a young future. 2019-20 Oilers line up;

    McCleod-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Lucic-Strome-Rieder
    Benson-Kharia-Marody

    McDavid with young big horses that can keep up, Drai with skill, a boring 3d line and a 4th that could actually score a goal.

    Draft Dylan Cozens and have Krill and Safin lighting up the AHL.

    Maybe we can get Nuge that Supper Strong Flu shot they now advertise for Seniors.

    Interesting. I had McLeod pegged as a Ryan Strome replacement, meaning he would spend 19-20 in Bakersfield, ideally on a line with Benson and Maksimov, and come up the next year when the Strome contract is up. Strome is an RFA so he will be traded for a non-roster asset at that time.

    In the meantime, I would put RNH at 1LW and Khaira at 2LW. I’m not enamoured with you putting young skill players on the 4th line, either.

    Cozens would be an amazing add, but it would mean the Oilers missed the playoffs again. Also, as a projected top-5 player in a deep draft, Cozens probably makes the team right away, giving you lots of options.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    Free squares on the bingo card?don’t see many.

    Oilers schedule is challenging to say the least:

    BOS
    NYR *
    WPG
    BOS
    NSH
    PITT
    WSH
    NSH
    CHI
    MIN
    CHI
    DET*
    WSH
    T.B.
    FLA

    Det and NYR would be the only “easy” games.But no games are easy for Edmonton.I don’t remember a sched this tough in the last 3 years. This sched is littered with Cup Champs and Top Contenders.

    My Heart is trying to be hopeful. My head say “Oh Oh” ……

    The schedule is fantastic – its tough as shit but it eases up big time after the initial hardship.

    If the team can tread water and be .500, even fake .500, at the end of this stretch, I think it will set them up nicely to compete for a playoff spot.

    Of course, if they sink with a brick, well……

  44. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: the Oilers should have claimed Pontus Aberg.

    They’re only at 45 contracts, there’s really no excuse for letting him go like that. Unless there’s some other issues with the player where they don’t want him anywhere in the organization…

  45. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer: Matthews is breaking even while scoring a bunch of points.Best get quick rich scheme ever.We always talk about d scoring points and getting paid while not being good defensively.Why arent we talking about forwards especially centers.I’m going to laugh when he just breaks even and the Leafs will pay him Mcdavid money for playing all out offense.Actually they will pay all their young guys big money for playing all out offense minimal defense.
    The Maple Leafs have given up 4.25 gpg without having played a single playoff team (maybe Dallas if you squint very hard)

    Its what, 4 games into the season? Hard to project the “breakeven” part too far… check out his numbers last year.

    hint: Matthews was the best center in the league for 5v5 goal differential in 2017-18.

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: McLeod may very well be 1LW but he’ll likely be fighting with Maksimov for that spot in Bakersfield.

    Maksimov plays RW though. I think they would make a very good duo in the AHL next year, maybe with Benson at LW if he hasn’t made the jump.

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Very simple grasshopper the head coach won’t play him!! McLellan has his favorites ie Caggiula and others such as Aberg. The GM has moved on from a number of players because the coach won’t play them!

    Yes, Caggulia has, seemingly, been a favorite of McLellan – right now he can’t even get in to the lineup.

    Similar, Kris Russell has, seemingly, been a favorite of McLellan but there were times last year where he had his even strength minutes cut and even his PK time cut.

    It may take more time that we all think it should but McLellan has shown, on occasion, to change his thought process on players.

    Anyways, if he was never going to play Aberg then, fine, however, I hope he also has great hesitation to play Patrick Russell or Brad Malone and wish Aberg was an option in that group.

  48. --hudson-- says:

    maudite:
    Man I still think matts lingren could have been a hell of a lot more meaningful to this team if not for odd fail rate on developing and utilizing euros from certain regions wasnt a long standing oiler tradition

    He also had a major injury, no? Torn Achilles if memory serves. Before the injury I think the hype was he was the key piece in return for Manson.

    Thanks for recapping Oilers AHL history LT! I knew Bruce Boudreau was an AHL all star but didn’t know he had history with the Oilers.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon: I found that funny as well. Can’t dispute that. I will laugh too. Leafs and Canes are scoring in bunches, but they’re not exactly keeping the puck out of their own net. that said, they are winning. Doubt this is sustainable hockey, though.

    The Leafs have actually scored less goals and given up more goals through 4 games than they did last year.

    Last year through 4 games:

    22 GF – 16 GA.

    This year through 4 games:

    20 GF – 17 GA.

  50. Jaxon says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    Jaxon,

    Matthews is a bonafide stud. Unbelievable hockey talent, but he’s got the Young Ovechkin in him me thinks. It’ll take some time for him to round out his game on the defensive side but he is the 2nd best young player in the game.

    And yup the Matthews/Tavares show looks good! But it’s more than that. Its the Matthews/Tavares/Marner show and it should have included Nylander.

    Lots of salivating over Kyle Dubas but its bizarre that rather than sign 3 drafted and developed RFAs the second the opportunity arose he chose to chase a Whale of epic proportions at what is without doubt the teams deepest position.

    What happens when Ron Hainsey and Jake Gardiner are up for renewal? What happens if Nikita Zaitsev doesn’t meet that contract? What happens to Frederik Andersen who will likely see another 65+ game regular season? Can the now bare backup goalie department withstand the rest necessary for Andersen, that the fantastic posters here have shown is, needed for a deep playoff run?

    Cap hell is running full steam for Kyle Dubas. Brendan Shanahan’s pre-season presser to the young players to “make a sacrifice for the team,” shows they are aware of it. Also if one thinks TMac is an angry old man with his players he can’t hold a candle to Mike B and ole Shanny.

    I personally think the Leafs made a mistake on Tavares. A good player yes, but he is already the 2nd (and one could make the argument for 3rd) best player on that team behind Matthews and Marner. And those two young men are going to want to be paid.

    It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

    Following the Leafs in the next few years as contracts expire is going to be entertaining. They have a shitload of talent up front who are going to be very expensive. Not sure an older, slower superstar was they wise move. It kind of puts them in win-now mode and the rest of the team just isn’t there, yet.

    Reviewing NHL lineups, there are some great forward groups in the NHL: STL, WPG, PHI, TBL, TOR, CAR, CBJ, LAK, SJS. And some of those have great D and goalies as well (WPG, TBL, CBJ, LAK, SJS). If PHI, TOR, STL, and CAR find a good starter they will be forces in the playoffs. Edmonton is just below these teams currently but may surpass most of them in the next year as players mature and force their way into the lineup.

  51. Litke 94 says:

    Matty reporting that one of Strome or Brodziak may be healthy scratched for game tomorrow. Additionally, Puljujarvi is set to play with Khaira and Caggiula.

    The McBlender strikes again and we have only played 60 minutes of hockey. Additionally, Puljujarvi gets stuck with non-skill, and will likely be blamed by staff if the line fails to produce.

    I remain seriously concerned with the coaching decisions made by this team. Trying not to panic, but my frustration from last season has not dissipated.

  52. texmex says:

    Oilers projected lineup at BOS:

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Rieder-Strome-Kassian
    Caggiula-Khaira-Puljujärvi

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Garrison-Benning

    Talbot

    JP getting the push…………………..down to the fourth line.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu:
    If the Nuge is out for the game on Thursday, who do we see stepping up to the McDavid line? Caggiula?And secondly, who should it be if it’s not Cags?Personally I’d love to see Khaira get a shot with McDavid, he’d maybe do a good job mimicking Maroon from 2 seasons ago.That said McLellan is unlikely to immediately jump to that combo (favorites and all that).

    Khaira-Mcd-Rattie
    Lucic-Drai-Yam
    Rieder-Strome-Pool
    Cags-Brodziak-Kassian

    Nuge was back at practice today so, thankfully, this is a conversation we don’t need to have, however, I would not have Khaira there at this time. For one, he wasn’t very good in the first game (one of many). Also, he is still just establishing himself as an every day NHL player – while his speed would work, his hands and offensive hockey IQ likely aren’t there at this point. Not to mention, what I’ve found that makes Khaira successful is carrying the puck with authority through the neutral zone – when he does that, he is skating well and gets in to bang bodies – playing with McDavid, he will highly likely not be carrying the puck through the neutral zone very often.

    I don’t like it, but it would probably be Rieder.

    I think Strome should be a highly considered option.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    I may have to stay off all Oiler social media, fanbase is going to flip on the 4RW:

    Oilers projected lineup at BOS:

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Rieder-Strome-Kassian
    Caggiula-Khaira-Puljujärvi

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Garrison-Benning

    Talbot

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    I am OK with Bouchard not playing today – he is not going to play every game and this is a road game against a good and fast team where it will be tough to shelter (on the road).

    I did suggest Garrison in and the potential for Russell to move up to 2RD, however, I would have thought they’d do this:

    Nurse/Benning
    Garrison/Russell

  56. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The fact that Cooper Marody may be the first call-up is the exact reason why I think the Oilers should have claimed Pontus Aberg.

    Pontus could have gone to the AHL and have his cap hit fully buryable and would be available for recall.

    Not only does he put another body between the NHL and the career AHLers like Patrick Russell (and Brad Malone) but he provides shelter so we don’t need to rush a guy like Marody or Benson to the NHL before they are ready.

    Like, seriously, can we not give a first year pro like Marody even a few months, let alone an entire year, of development time?

    We all know how you feel about Brad Malone ,and it looks like Russell is on that list now too. Aberg is gone,get over it. If you want Marody to stay in the Bake then your favorits Malone and Russell are the options.

  57. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’d argue that the 4th line is actually the 3rd line, and Strome has is playing 4C.

  58. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am OK with Bouchard not playing today – he is not going to play every game and this is a road game against a good and fast team where it will be tough to shelter (on the road).

    I did suggest Garrison in and the potential for Russell to move up to 2RD, however, I would have thought they’d do this:

    Nurse/Benning
    Garrison/Russell

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am OK with Bouchard not playing today – he is not going to play every game and this is a road game against a good and fast team where it will be tough to shelter (on the road).

    I did suggest Garrison in and the potential for Russell to move up to 2RD, however, I would have thought they’d do this:

    Nurse/Benning
    Garrison/Russell

    Bad pairings based on the way Nurse and Benning played last game.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I think Bouchard, Nurse and Klef (so one on each pairing) are all plus puck mover out of zone.

    I will have to disagree that Nurse is a plus puck mover out of the zone – while he is great at skating the puck out, he is below average at transitioning via pass and transitioning via pass is almost always the more efficient and offensive way to do so.

    Also, at this stage, Bouchard is not a plus puck mover – he will be, he will be an A plus puck mover (that’s his thing) but, at this stage, he isn’t. He was poor at moving the puck in NJ in the first two period b/c he had zero time in space. He made some nice plays in the third but NJ had backed off their forecheck given the score.

  60. Oilman99 says:

    texmex:
    Oilers projected lineup at BOS:

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Rieder-Strome-Kassian
    Caggiula-Khaira-Puljujärvi

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Garrison-Benning

    Talbot

    JP getting the push…………………..down to the fourth line.

    I would suggest the Strome line is the 4th line. JP with Khaira is not a bad thing,speed and physicality,JJ is quicker than Strome. Would like to see Chiasson in for Kassian,he works harder.

  61. texmex says:

    Oilman99,

    Yeah, I thought the same thing after I posted it.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto has been ineffective with Drai through 4 plus games but, in exhibition, when moved with Khaira and Caggulia, he found success. I don’t know how Jesse and Yamamoto are not switched in this lineup.

  63. PinkSocks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I may have to stay off all Oiler social media, fanbase is going to flip on the 4RW:

    Oilers projected lineup at BOS:

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Rieder-Strome-Kassian
    Caggiula-Khaira-Puljujärvi

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Garrison-Benning

    Talbot

    This is sad. While 3rd and 4th lines are likely interchangeable for their title, it’s still inexcusable. Caggiula in for Brodziak, still no Chiasson, poor JP. This is the only time I am requesting the McBlender so JP can make it up to 2RW for another shift or two.

  64. PinkSocks says:

    We may need another Hunter pool for the date on which TMac is sacked.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: We all know how you feel about Brad Malone ,and it looks like Russell is on that list now too. Aberg is gone,get over it. If you want Marody to stay in the Bake then your favorits Malone and Russell are the options.

    The point has nothing to do with Brad Malone or Patrick Russell themselves, it has to do with the fact that the first call up is either (a) a non-NHL player (career AHLer) or (b) a rookie pro that could definitely use much more AHL time.

    Pontus Aberg, in my opinion, is a better option than all those so, yes, I will keep mentioning him given he was very recently let go by the organization and not taken back for free.

    This is my opinion on VERY recent moves that are tied to a question in the original post.

    Aberg is gone so I should get over it? Interesting since Hall is gone, Eberle is gone, Barzal was never here, DeBrincat is never here and I read about them on here each and every single day.

  66. who says:

    Interesting lineup shuffle for the 2nd game of the year. Looks like they want to get more speed on the forecheck into the lineup. Not a bad idea considering how slow they looked in game 1.
    On that note I am going to suggest that there are enough winger pieces on this roster to build a quality 2nd line around Drai. Without poaching from the first line!
    The key will be when they move Lucic down to 3LW.
    I know he had a solid and productive 1st game. BUT, that line needs two speedy wingers to force turnovers on the forecheck. Just look what New Jerseys speed did to the Oilers defense in game 1.
    Lucic is simply not physically capable of pressuring dmen into turnovers. Not the way most dmen in the league today can skate.
    The Oilers will have a slow and ineffective 2nd line as long as Drai and Lucic remain together.

  67. leadfarmer says:

    Brodziak benched already? Well thats a fun start. Chiasson out too. If you want to play a faster game like the plan stated in the offseason then you cant bring in slow players
    They want Puljujarvi to drive a line. Any line.

  68. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Oilman99: I would suggest the Strome line is the 4th line. JP with Khaira is not a bad thing,speed and physicality,JJ is quicker than Strome. Would like to see Chiasson in for Kassian,he works harder.

    Well, if the third line gets caved like the 4th line was in game one, tmac will have a common denominator about what may be the problem… (Kassian)

    I also think that JP playing with Khaira is more effective than Strome (if not playing with both at the same time)

    Khaira may actually be the true river pusher on that line. It seems everyone who plays with him does well. What did LT call it… oh yeah, the PISANI!!!

  69. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    “Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Garrison-Benning”

    This is why the Sekera injury hurts so much. Outside of Klefbom, this group cannot deliver any offence. The ability to make good passes and transition the puck leads to points for D men.

    this lineup offers us:

    LARSSON 1 G 8 A LAST 40 GMS
    NURSE 0 G 8 A LAST 38 GMS
    RUSSELL 2 G 4 A LAST 40 GMS
    GARRISON 1 G 9 A LAST 78 GMS
    BENNING 2 G 10 A LAST 38 GMS

    Bouchard is already the best puck mover of the bunch, but he is prob not quite ready for NHL duty.

  70. blainer says:

    who:
    Interesting lineup shuffle for the 2nd game of the year. Looks like they want to get more speed on the forecheck into the lineup. Not a bad idea considering how slow they looked in game 1.
    On that note I am going to suggest that there are enough winger pieces on this roster to build a quality 2nd line around Drai. Without poaching from the first line!
    The key will be when they move Lucic down to 3LW.
    I know he had a solid and productive 1st game. BUT, that line needs two speedy wingers to force turnovers on the forecheck. Just look what New Jerseys speed did to the Oilers defense in game 1.
    Lucic is simply not physically capable of pressuring dmen into turnovers. Not the way most dmen in the league today can skate.
    The Oilers will have a slow and ineffective 2nd line as long as Drai and Lucic remain together.

    Agreed I also think Drai and looch is not a good combo. JJ would look good there IMO. I would like to see JJ Drai and JP.

  71. Jethro Tull says:

    The defense hasn’t really changed and we’re expecting different results…….

    Larsson is the only known quantity.

    Which Klefbom turns up?

    Nurse needs any vet not named Russell.

    Russell on 2nd pair? Again? Seriously?

    Benning is getting on 1yrs NHL experience 3 times.

    Garrison? Taking up the position that is usually for cups of coffee for Bear, Lowe, Jones or Bouchard.

    Boston will eat that 3rd pairing alive on the last change.

    This is what dry powder looks like. We KNEW what this defense looked like without Sekera from last year. Sekera was injured relatively early in the pre-season with lots of time to put on IR and get an actual D-Man. I wouldn’t be surprised if Seksy’s done.

  72. texmex says:

    Jethro Tull,

    +100

    Can’t count how many times I’ve checked twitter hoping to see that the Oilers acquired a 2RD.

    Mind boggling.

  73. ashley says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    Jaxon,

    Matthews is a bonafide stud. Unbelievable hockey talent, but he’s got the Young Ovechkin in him me thinks. It’ll take some time for him to round out his game on the defensive side but he is the 2nd best young player in the game.

    And yup the Matthews/Tavares show looks good! But it’s more than that. Its the Matthews/Tavares/Marner show and it should have included Nylander.

    Lots of salivating over Kyle Dubas but its bizarre that rather than sign 3 drafted and developed RFAs the second the opportunity arose he chose to chase a Whale of epic proportions at what is without doubt the teams deepest position.

    What happens when Ron Hainsey and Jake Gardiner are up for renewal? What happens if Nikita Zaitsev doesn’t meet that contract? What happens to Frederik Andersen who will likely see another 65+ game regular season? Can the now bare backup goalie department withstand the rest necessary for Andersen, that the fantastic posters here have shown is, needed for a deep playoff run?

    Cap hell is running full steam for Kyle Dubas. Brendan Shanahan’s pre-season presser to the young players to “make a sacrifice for the team,” shows they are aware of it. Also if one thinks TMac is an angry old man with his players he can’t hold a candle to Mike B and ole Shanny.

    I personally think the Leafs made a mistake on Tavares. A good player yes, but he is already the 2nd (and one could make the argument for 3rd) best player on that team behind Matthews and Marner. And those two young men are going to want to be paid.

    It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

    Interesting post. One point of disagreement: Everybody loves youth and all the blue sky it brings, but I think Tavares is the best player on the Leafs. He also brings an element of maturity to a young core. It was an astute acquisition for this particular roster.

  74. fishman says:

    ashley: Interesting post.One point of disagreement: Everybody loves youth and all the blue sky it brings, but I think Tavares is the best player on the Leafs.He also brings an element of maturity to a young core.It was an astute acquisition for this particular roster.

    “Astute acquisition” I like that! When was last time Oilers made one??? Bueller? Anyone?

  75. blainer says:

    I will be surprised if the coach survives October. May not even make it back from the east coast.

    He needs Tabs to save his ass and I bet he has no confidence in playing Kosk either. Yet another year of over playing your starter if he makes that far.

    Problem is the new coach is not any better off when it comes to goaltending. Man I would have traded a top player for a top line goalie. I have no idea how they get themselves out of this mess if as I suspect Kosk doesn’t step up if Tabs struggles.

  76. blainer says:

    texmex:
    Jethro Tull,

    +100

    Can’t count how many times I’ve checked twitter hoping to see that the Oilers acquired a 2RD.

    Mind boggling.

    Ha .. I also have been looking daily to see if Chia could do something. They need garrison to step up..I think he May be OK in limited time.. Nurse looked good at times with Lars last year so that might be in the blender also.

    I just don’t see a good road ahead with this D and goalering..

    Crossing fingers !!

  77. dustrock says:

    That D is absolutely horrid and that’s Chiarelli’s fault but holy cow do I think McLellan is out of ideas.

    Russell 2nd pairing. Garrison playing in the NHL period. Not playing Bear or Bouchard.

    Jesse on the 4th line.

    And if he’s already scratching Brodziak and Chiasson, what does that say about our pro scouting?

  78. dustrock says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    “Klefbom-LarssonNurse-RussellGarrison-Benning”

    This is why the Sekera injury hurts so much. Outside of Klefbom, this group cannot deliver any offence.The ability to make good passes and transition the puck leads to points for D men.

    this lineup offers us:

    LARSSON 1 G 8 A LAST 40 GMS
    NURSE0 G 8 ALAST 38 GMS
    RUSSELL2 G 4ALAST 40 GMS
    GARRISON1 G 9 ALAST 78 GMS
    BENNING 2 G 10 ALAST 38 GMS

    Bouchard is already the best puck mover of the bunch, but he is prob not quite ready for NHL duty.

    Bouchard and Bear are already our best offensive D.

  79. dustrock says:

    I’m guessing the rationale is that they’ve got Caligula and Jesse to forecheck with speed on the one line, and Kassian and Rieder to forecheck with speed on the other.

    Thinking it through, both those lines will probably play equal minutes and our 4th line got absolutely caved by New Jersey, so this is the resulting bottom 6.

    Less about demoting Puljujarvi and more about balancing the lines. Why Yamamoto couldn’t be 4th instead who knows

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    The defense hasn’t really changed and we’re expecting different results…….

    Larsson is the only known quantity.

    Which Klefbom turns up?

    Nurse needs any vet not named Russell.

    Russell on 2nd pair?Again? Seriously?

    Benning is getting on 1yrs NHL experience 3 times.

    Garrison?Taking up the position that is usually for cups of coffee for Bear, Lowe, Jones or Bouchard.

    Boston will eat that 3rd pairing alive on the last change.

    This is what dry powder looks like.We KNEW what this defense looked like without Sekera from last year.Sekera was injured relatively early in the pre-season withlots of time to put on IR and get an actual D-Man.I wouldn’t be surprised if Seksy’s done.

    Putting Sekera on LTIR during the off-season would have been a terrible move if they wanted to use the LTIR cushion.

    Also, “early in pre-season” is really really late to find a replacement for a long term injury.

    I’m really not sure what you wanted management to do here.

    Also, from various accounts, Sekera will likely be back this season.

  81. flyfish1168 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Brodziak benched already?Well thats a fun start.Chiasson out too.If you want to play a faster game like the plan stated in the offseason then you cant bring in slow players
    They want Puljujarvi to drive a line.Any line.

    I really wish we didn’t sign Brodziak. I said in the summer. He is to slow. We need younger legs with speed.

  82. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Putting Sekera on LTIR during the off-season would have been a terrible move if they wanted to use the LTIR cushion.

    Also, “early in pre-season” is really really late to find a replacement for a long term injury.

    I’m really not sure what you wanted management to do here.

    Also, from various accounts, Sekera will likely be back this season.

    If they had no intention of using the LTIR cushion, then the sooner you put him on and try to get a replacement, the better. If they were going to use every penny to upgrade, then yes, you wait for maximum relief. But it clearly wasn’t their intent.

    It wasn’t really, really late to upgrade. A trade could have happened at any time.

    I think it’s patently obvious what I wanted management do, and it wasn’t ‘nothing’. It was to make changes to where we needed to make changes.

    Next March still counts as ‘this season’.

    The worst thing to happen was the Oilers to draft Bouchard. You could see it in Chia’s eyes “well, looks like I’ll be fishing in Aruba and not the D pool after all, boys!”

    Once again, if you expect different results, you must provide different stimulus.

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:


    Tyler Hupka
    ‏ @thupka1982
    31m31 minutes ago

    “Manny (Viveiros) is NOT the lead (coach) on the poweplay at this time.”

    – @Bob_Stauffer on @OilersNow a moment ago.

    Well that’s just great.

    GM hires a guy specifically for a job and the coach doesn’t give it to him.

    Because Oilers

  84. Oil2Oilers says:

    ArmchairGM: Cozens would be an amazing add, but it would mean the Oilers missed the playoffs again. Also, as a projected top-5 player in a deep draft, Cozens probably makes the team right away, giving you lots of options

    My Hunter’s death march prediction was 91 points. Today that feels optimistic but the upside it should out the Oilers in with a chance at Cozens.

  85. Litke 94 says:

    To those who may be saying, “it’s early, why is everyone getting all up in arms after a single game?”.

    It’s not early. This organization has deep issues from coaching, to management, to ownership.

    Remember that this incredibly troubling article by Spector is only 6 months old. It’s contents may have been silenced by a generally positive preseason, but let’s not forget where this franchise left off last April.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-held-hostage-voices-past/

  86. Darth Tu says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    That explains the 5 left shot PP being run from the right side wall then…

  87. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    Tyler Hupka
    ‏ @thupka1982
    31m31 minutes ago


    “Manny (Viveiros) is NOT the lead (coach) on the poweplay at this time.”

    – @Bob_Stauffer on @OilersNow a moment ago.

    Well that’s just great.

    GM hires a guy specifically for a job and the coach doesn’t give it to him.

    Because Oilers

    I didn’t think I’d need this until much later in the season but…

    https://giphy.com/gifs/HwmB7t7krGnao

  88. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The fact that Cooper Marody may be the first call-up is the exact reason why I think the Oilers should have claimed Pontus Aberg.

    Pontus could have gone to the AHL and have his cap hit fully buryable and would be available for recall.

    Not only does he put another body between the NHL and the career AHLers like Patrick Russell (and Brad Malone) but he provides shelter so we don’t need to rush a guy like Marody or Benson to the NHL before they are ready.

    Like, seriously, can we not give a first year pro like Marody even a few months, let alone an entire year, of development time?

    As LT has stated numerous times, the best skilled guys don’t spend much time in the AHL. If Marody can force the issue and earns NHL time, isn’t that what we want??

  89. ArmchairGM says:

    Oil2Oilers: My Hunter’s death march prediction was 91 points. Today that feels optimistic but the upside it should out the Oilers in with a chance at Cozens.

    Yeah, I just don’t want to give up hope yet. 🙂

    If we’re dreaming of a 17th place finish and a lottery win, why not go whole-hog and project Hughes into the 2019 line-up? (There I go with my unrealistic expectations again, I’ll show myself out.)

  90. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    Tyler Hupka
    ‏ @thupka1982
    31m31 minutes ago


    “Manny (Viveiros) is NOT the lead (coach) on the poweplay at this time.”

    – @Bob_Stauffer on @OilersNow a moment ago.

    Well that’s just great.

    GM hires a guy specifically for a job and the coach doesn’t give it to him.

    Because Oilers

    i think we need to be careful here.

    I don’t believe they ever confirmed Vivieros was manning the PP. He was video and eye in the sky.

  91. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Darth Tu,

    Stauffer has been priming Oil Country for months, basically the entire off season, about the possibility of a 5L PP. Clearly that brainwave has been floating around the boardroom for some time.

  92. Darth Tu says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Agreed, I’ve heard Stauffer talk about it so often this summer. I just assumed – naively – that McDavid would be on the lfet half wall dishing it out to the shooters…

  93. N64 says:

    Darth Tu: I just assumed – naively – that McDavid would be on the lfet half wall dishing it out to the shooters…

    ~ TMac is that you? ~

  94. Oilman99 says:

    ArmchairGM: Interesting. I had McLeod pegged as a Ryan Strome replacement, meaning he would spend 19-20 in Bakersfield, ideally on a line with Benson and Maksimov, and come up the next year when the Strome contract is up. Strome is an RFA so he will be traded for a non-roster asset at that time.

    In the meantime, I would put RNH at 1LW and Khaira at 2LW. I’m not enamoured with you putting young skill players on the 4th line, either.

    Cozens would be an amazing add, but it would mean the Oilers missed the playoffs again. Also, as a projected top-5 player in a deep draft, Cozens probably makes the team right away, giving you lots of options.

    McLeod is too good of a play maker not to be slotted at centre.Money says he starts next season there with the big club, he is that good.

  95. OmJo says:

    Litke 94:
    Matty reporting that one of Strome or Brodziak may behealthy scratched for game tomorrow. Additionally, Puljujarvi is set to play with Khaira and Caggiula.

    The McBlender strikes again and we have only played 60 minutes of hockey. Additionally, Puljujarvi gets stuck with non-skill, and will likely be blamed by staff if the line fails to produce.

    I remain seriously concerned with the coaching decisions made by this team. Trying not to panic, but my frustration from last season has not dissipated.

    They really should have kept Khaira-Strome-Puljujarvi together for a bit, instead of expecting a 3rd line of those three two show immediate results.

    Oh those Oilers.

  96. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am OK with Bouchard not playing today – he is not going to play every game and this is a road game against a good and fast team where it will be tough to shelter (on the road).

    I did suggest Garrison in and the potential for Russell to move up to 2RD, however, I would have thought they’d do this:

    Nurse/Benning
    Garrison/Russell

    Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet (making my way down the thread) but Stauffer said this afternoon not to pay too much attention to the defensive pairings.

  97. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    Tyler Hupka
    ‏ @thupka1982
    31m31 minutes ago


    “Manny (Viveiros) is NOT the lead (coach) on the poweplay at this time.”

    – @Bob_Stauffer on @OilersNow a moment ago.

    Well that’s just great.

    GM hires a guy specifically for a job and the coach doesn’t give it to him.

    Because Oilers

    did McLellan and Gulutzan both not employ dismal PPs last season? and Pulju was demoted?

    the oilers have the team and record they deserve

  98. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Putting Sekera on LTIR during the off-season would have been a terrible move if they wanted to use the LTIR cushion.

    Also, “early in pre-season” is really really late to find a replacement for a long term injury.

    I’m really not sure what you wanted management to do here.

    Also, from various accounts, Sekera will likely be back this season.

    Irregardless of when and if he comes back this year, if they don’t use the LTIR to fill atleast one hole,this will be another lost season. Doubtful Seskera is back before the trade deadline,so the cap problems can be solved then,dilly-dallying is not an option.

  99. OmJo says:

    Jethro Tull:
    The defense hasn’t really changed and we’re expecting different results…….

    Larsson is the only known quantity.

    Which Klefbom turns up?

    Nurse needs any vet not named Russell.

    Russell on 2nd pair?Again? Seriously?

    Benning is getting on 1yrs NHL experience 3 times.

    Garrison?Taking up the position that is usually for cups of coffee for Bear, Lowe, Jones or Bouchard.

    Boston will eat that 3rd pairing alive on the last change.

    This is what dry powder looks like.We KNEW what this defense looked like without Sekera from last year.Sekera was injured relatively early in the pre-season withlots of time to put on IR and get an actual D-Man.I wouldn’t be surprised if Seksy’s done.

    It’s like Groundhog Day, but not funny.

  100. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    Jethro Tull,

    +100

    Can’t count how many times I’ve checked twitter hoping to see that the Oilers acquired a 2RD.

    Mind boggling.

    We have an excellent 2RD. His name is Adam Larsson.

    *hides*

  101. OmJo says:

    dustrock:
    That D is absolutely horrid and that’s Chiarelli’s fault but holy cow do I think McLellan is out of ideas.

    Russell 2nd pairing.Garrison playing in the NHL period.Not playing Bear or Bouchard.

    Jesse on the 4th line.

    And if he’s already scratching Brodziak and Chiasson, what does that say about our pro scouting?

    He’s officially out of ideas when you see Nuge-McDavid-Drasiaitl out there 5v5 on purpose.

  102. Oilman99 says:

    ArmchairGM: They’re only at 45 contracts, there’s really no excuse for letting him go like that. Unless there’s some other issues with the player where they don’t want him anywhere in the organization…

    There is a reason Nashville gave up on him, there is a reason the Oilers put him waivers, and there is a reason the Ducks put him on waivers. Obviously they felt he won’t be a viable NHL player any time soon.

  103. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilman99: Irregardless

    Gaaaa!

  104. OmJo says:

    dustrock:
    I’m guessing the rationale is that they’ve got Caligula and Jesse to forecheck with speed on the one line, and Kassian and Rieder to forecheck with speed on the other.

    Thinking it through, both those lines will probably play equal minutes and our 4th line got absolutely caved by New Jersey, so this is the resulting bottom 6.

    Less about demoting Puljujarvi and more about balancing the lines.Why Yamamoto couldn’t be 4th instead who knows

    McDavid: “I’m definitely hopeful that there’s a line that clicks so we can build and work on our game together. Last year, we kind of bounced around lines and we didn’t find something solid until the end of the year.”

    If it’s frustrating for McDavid having different linemates every week last season, I can imagine the same goes for the rest of the team. Hell, it’s frustrating even for the fans so imagine how the players must feel.

    McLellan needs to throw his leash and doghouse in the garbage and give the lineup some consistency. Chemistry isn’t going to build over night…

    We haven’t had a consistent lineup in over a year…

  105. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    Tyler Hupka
    ‏ @thupka1982
    31m31 minutes ago


    “Manny (Viveiros) is NOT the lead (coach) on the poweplay at this time.”

    – @Bob_Stauffer on @OilersNow a moment ago.

    Well that’s just great.

    GM hires a guy specifically for a job and the coach doesn’t give it to him.

    Because Oilers

    That explains a lot.

  106. Rake 2.0 says:

    who:
    Interesting lineup shuffle for the 2nd game of the year. Looks like they want to get more speed on the forecheck into the lineup. Not a bad idea considering how slow they looked in game 1.
    On that note I am going to suggest that there are enough winger pieces on this roster to build a quality 2nd line around Drai. Without poaching from the first line!
    The key will be when they move Lucic down to 3LW.
    I know he had a solid and productive 1st game. BUT, that line needs two speedy wingers to force turnovers on the forecheck. Just look what New Jerseys speed did to the Oilers defense in game 1.
    Lucic is simply not physically capable of pressuring dmen into turnovers. Not the way most dmen in the league today can skate.
    The Oilers will have a slow and ineffective 2nd line as long as Drai and Lucic remain together.

    I also this the reason Draisaitl looks so much better when playing with McDavid, is that he is forced to move his feet and play faster. Lucic has the exact opposite effect and it hurts his game.

  107. dustrock says:

    OmJo,

    I agree about the consistent lineup, and I note McDavid’s line is staying the same, but:

    (1) He needs to get Drai going;
    (2) He needs to get Lucic going;
    (3) The Brodziak line got caved against the Devils.

  108. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilman99: There is a reason Nashville gave up on him, there is a reason the Oilers put him waivers, and there is a reason the Ducks put him on waivers. Obviously they felt he a viable NHL player.

    Never claimed that Aberg was a viable NHL player. He is, however, a perfectly viable AHL player.

  109. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilman99: McLeod is too good of a play maker not to be slotted at centre.Money says he starts next season there with the big club, he is that good.

    I agree McLeod should play center. But with Strome on the NHL roster next year, where would McLeod play? Plus, I think McLeod – Maksimov would tear up the AHL.

  110. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: The point has nothing to do with Brad Malone or Patrick Russell themselves, it has to do with the fact that the first call up is either (a) a non-NHL player (career AHLer) or (b) a rookie pro that could definitely use much more AHL time.

    Pontus Aberg, in my opinion, is a better option than all those so, yes, I will keep mentioning him given he was very recently let go by the organization and not taken back for free.

    This is my opinion on VERY recent moves that are tied to a question in the original post.

    Aberg is gone so I should get over it? Interesting since Hall is gone, Eberle is gone, Barzal was never here, DeBrincat is never here and I read about them on here each and every single day.

    What’s done is done,and no amount of whining by everybody on this site is going to change it. Let’s look ahead rather cry about shoulda, coulda , woulda been done.

  111. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    ArmchairGM,

    LOL and here I thought I was the only one.

  112. jtblack says:

    ArmchairGM: Yeah, I just don’t want to give up hope yet.

    If we’re dreaming of a 17th place finish and a lottery win, why not go whole-hog and project Hughes into the 2019 line-up? (There I go with my unrealistic expectations again, I’ll show myself out.)

    JACK HUGES. 6GP 1G 6 A 7 PTS. I know he is consensus #1 but he has started quite slow. Sure that will change

  113. Ryan says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    Tyler Hupka
    ‏ @thupka1982
    31m31 minutes ago


    “Manny (Viveiros) is NOT the lead (coach) on the poweplay at this time.”

    – @Bob_Stauffer on @OilersNow a moment ago.

    Well that’s just great.

    GM hires a guy specifically for a job and the coach doesn’t give it to him.

    Because Oilers

    I heard this on Oilers now as well around 12:50 today.

    Bob first said that Manny is not running the Oilers power play. Then he reiterated that he is not the lead (coach) on the power play. Then he said that Oilers have two guys (in addition to Mclellan) who have head coaching experience in the NHL and that Manny is just a new to this level of coaching.

    Anyways, that just my recollection of what was said if any of that extra adds any flavor to this discussion, I’m not so sure.

  114. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    Tyler Hupka
    ‏ @thupka1982
    31m31 minutes ago


    “Manny (Viveiros) is NOT the lead (coach) on the poweplay at this time.”

    – @Bob_Stauffer on @OilersNow a moment ago.

    Well that’s just great.

    GM hires a guy specifically for a job and the coach doesn’t give it to him.

    Because Oilers

    So who is running it? Yawney? TMac? a collective effort?

    Paul Coffey *ducks*
    Red Wine Summit *drinks*

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andrew Berkshire has been rating Dmen, C, RW and LW.

    I really like his ratings as he’s quite comprehensive and has access to Sportslogiq data, which is the best hockey data if what I hear is correct. (puck and player movement etc)

    Also doesn’t hurt that he gives puckiq a shout out and uses our data to help figure QoC stuff.

    Today was LW:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-left-wingers-three-seasons/

    You’ll never guess who was first.

  116. jtblack says:

    Ryan: I heard this on Oilers now as well around 12:50 today.

    Bob first said that Manny is not running the Oilers power play. Then he reiterated that he is not the lead (coach) on the power play. Then he said that Oilers have two guys (in addition to Mclellan) who have head coaching experience in the NHL and that Manny is just a new to this level of coaching.

    Anyways, that just my recollection of what was said if any of that extra adds any flavor to this discussion, I’m not so sure.

    TMac & GG are probably holding back MV … old school, blah blah blah, earn your stripes …. MV has talent. I hope they are utilizing it ..

  117. Richard S.S. says:

    This is only Game Two, right?

  118. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andrew Berkshire has been rating Dmen, C, RW and LW.

    I really like his ratings as he’s quite comprehensive and has access to Sportslogiq data, which is the best hockey data if what I hear is correct. (puck and player movement etc)

    Also doesn’t hurt that he gives puckiq a shout out and uses our data to help figure QoC stuff.

    Today was LW:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-left-wingers-three-seasons/

    You’ll never guess who was first.

    PC saw the list and probably asked “How do we get that guy.” and the sombre group, says “Pete, we had him ..”

  119. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andrew Berkshire has been rating Dmen, C, RW and LW.

    I really like his ratings as he’s quite comprehensive and has access to Sportslogiq data, which is the best hockey data if what I hear is correct. (puck and player movement etc)

    Also doesn’t hurt that he gives puckiq a shout out and uses our data to help figure QoC stuff.

    Today was LW:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-left-wingers-three-seasons/

    You’ll never guess who was first.

    For those wondering; LUCIC must have been #21.

  120. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack: So who is running it?Yawney?TMac?a collective effort?

    Paul Coffey *ducks*
    Red Wine Summit *drinks*

    As OP noted the other day, Gregor had tweeted that Gulatzan was running it in practice.

    If there is one thing I didn’t like about CGY last year, it was their 5v4 (5.59 GF/60 – ranked 27th)

    *grabs a whiskey*

  121. Oilman99 says:

    ArmchairGM: I agree McLeod should play center. But with Strome on the NHLroster next year, where would McLeod play? Plus, I think McLeod – Maksimov would tear up the AHL.

    ArmchairGM: I agree McLeod should play center. But with Strome on the NHLroster next year, where would McLeod play? Plus, I think McLeod – Maksimov would tear up the AHL.

    If Strome is still with the team next year, he would be a better bet to be put on the wing, as McLeod is quicker and faster. I agree having him play with Maksimov would be great, but I think he will force them to keep him on the big club next fall based on the way he played already this year.

  122. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andrew Berkshire has been rating Dmen, C, RW and LW.

    I really like his ratings as he’s quite comprehensive and has access to Sportslogiq data, which is the best hockey data if what I hear is correct. (puck and player movement etc)

    Also doesn’t hurt that he gives puckiq a shout out and uses our data to help figure QoC stuff.

    Today was LW:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-left-wingers-three-seasons/

    You’ll never guess who was first.

    Adam Larsson?

  123. OmJo says:

    dustrock:
    OmJo,

    I agree about the consistent lineup, and I note McDavid’s line is staying the same, but:

    (1) He needs to get Drai going;
    (2) He needs to get Lucic going;
    (3) The Brodziak line got caved against the Devils.

    Had a reply typed out before the Wifi went out… ugh.

    Anyway…

    Changing the top 6 isn’t going to get Draisaitl going when the 2nd line remains the same. And expecting three payers who have played maybe a few hours worth of hockey together (in competitive games) to instantly click is as unrealistic as expecting Bouchard to be a 2RD at 18 years old. Oh, wait…

    Reider, Kassian and Brodziak are all NHL veterans, give them time and I’m sure they’ll get going. This team had a week to work on line chemistry…

  124. OmJo says:

    Pescador: Adam Larsson?

    Heh.

    *cries*

  125. OmJo says:

    Oilman99: There is a reason Nashville gave up on him, there is a reason the Oilers put him waivers, and there is a reason the Ducks put him on waivers. Obviously they felt he won’t be a viable NHL player any time soon.

    There was also a reason Nashville, Edmonton and Anaheim also took a chance on him.

    He didn’t get a look here because the coach didn’t like him for missing a practice or something his first week here. Not exactly the most professional way to handle things like that.

    He isn’t the answer to all of our problems but he could have helped out somewhere – if not in the NHL then definitely in the AHL.

  126. Oil2Oilers says:

    ArmchairGM: Yeah, I just don’t want to give up hope yet.

    If we’re dreaming of a 17th place finish and a lottery win, why not go whole-hog and project Hughes into the 2019 line-up? (There I go with my unrealistic expectations again, I’ll show myself out.)

    Our sad dreams as Oilers fans, or realistic expectations? The last 12 years have been painful.

  127. Pescador says:

    Oilman99: What’s done is done,and no amount of whining by everybody on this site is going to change it. Let’s look ahead rather cry about shoulda, coulda , woulda been done.

    +1
    It’s been 3 days of whining about Aberg.
    Nothing I have read has convinced me that the Oilers made a season ending error by not claiming him for the farm.
    I agree it would not have been stupid to claim him,
    there, can we fcking please move on from this?
    Far more pressing needs,
    besides Malone is a fine recall option.

  128. OilClog says:

    This is a beautiful display of coaching Todd lol

  129. PinkSocks says:

    ArmchairGM: Gaaaa!

    Thank you LOL

  130. PinkSocks says:

    I would not be opposed to next year seeing a 4th line of Benson-McLeod-Marody.

    Load up the top two lines, run a Reider-Strome-Kassian type on the third line and throw out skill, speed and smarts on the fourth line.

  131. treevojo says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andrew Berkshire has been rating Dmen, C, RW and LW.

    I really like his ratings as he’s quite comprehensive and has access to Sportslogiq data, which is the best hockey data if what I hear is correct. (puck and player movement etc)

    Also doesn’t hurt that he gives puckiq a shout out and uses our data to help figure QoC stuff.

    Today was LW:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-left-wingers-three-seasons/

    You’ll never guess who was first.

    Lucic?

  132. PinkSocks says:

    So TMac and GG are running the powerplay.

    FFS already, both men employed disastrous PPs last year so why not combine the minds? MV should be the lone voice on the PP with shock collars around TMac and GG’s neck that sends a sharp signal anytime they speak during a PP portion of the practice.

    For the record, the PP goal against the Devils was off a rush by #97, so even though it was PP time, in my mind it doesn’t count. Once the PP actually controls the play, sets up, and scores a few, only then will there be any confidence that it is a repeatable act. Until then, give the reigns to the guy who has a track record of successful PP units and leave the chipping off the glass and defensive zone man coverage to the geniuses.

    81 games to go.

  133. treevojo says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andrew Berkshire has been rating Dmen, C, RW and LW.

    I really like his ratings as he’s quite comprehensive and has access to Sportslogiq data, which is the best hockey data if what I hear is correct. (puck and player movement etc)

    Also doesn’t hurt that he gives puckiq a shout out and uses our data to help figure QoC stuff.

    Today was LW:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-left-wingers-three-seasons/

    You’ll never guess who was first.

    Ovechkin?

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: As LT has stated numerous times, the best skilled guys don’t spend much time in the AHL. If Marody can force the issue and earns NHL time, isn’t that what we want??

    Yes, I want him to “force the issue” – I don’t want him rushed to the NHL after a handful of professional games. We are talking about the first call-up here. That could be tomorrow and its likely before the end of the month in any event.

    Cooper Marody is a nice prospect but he isn’t a high end offensive prospect and is unlikely to be a top 6 guy in the NHL. I don’t see him “forcing the issue” in his first month of pro hockey.

    I could totally be wrong, however, if he’s the first call-up, I anticipate its much sooner than is optimal to develop him in to the best NHL player he can become.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: They really should have kept Khaira-Strome-Puljujarvi together for a bit, instead of expecting a 3rd line of those three two show immediate results.

    Oh those Oilers.

    As per Todd’s verbal, what he’s trying to “fix” is the bottom two lines getting absolutely caved all game long, in particular the 4th line. I don’t think its as much about splitting up that 3rd line but given the other line a bit of a change in order for it to, hopefully, be successful at transitioning the puck.

  136. vinotintazo says:

    Pescador: besides Malone is a fine recall option.

    shots fired

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: There is a reason Nashville gave up on him, there is a reason the Oilers put him waivers, and there is a reason the Ducks put him on waivers. Obviously they felt he won’t be a viable NHL player any time soon.

    I would posit that (a) he’s more of a viable NHL player than Brad Malone and (b) Cooper Marody (or Tyler Benson) would be best served not being called up to the NHL as an injury replacement in the first month of their pro careers.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: McDavid: “I’m definitely hopeful that there’s a line that clicks so we can build and work on our game together. Last year, we kind of bounced around lines and we didn’t find something solid until the end of the year.”

    If it’s frustrating for McDavid having different linemates every week last season, I can imagine the same goes for the rest of the team. Hell, it’s frustrating even for the fans so imagine how the players must feel.

    McLellan needs to throw his leash and doghouse in the garbage and give the lineup some consistency. Chemistry isn’t going to build over night…

    We haven’t had a consistent lineup in over a year…

    This is what the fanbase say, keep the lines together but, then, after every loss the largest amount of post are about line combination changes.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: What’s done is done,and no amount of whining by everybody on this site is going to change it. Let’s look ahead rather cry about shoulda, coulda , woulda been done.

    Again – Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Debrincat, Barzal, etc.

    What’s done is done, however…….

  140. Jaxon says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andrew Berkshire has been rating Dmen, C, RW and LW.

    I really like his ratings as he’s quite comprehensive and has access to Sportslogiq data, which is the best hockey data if what I hear is correct. (puck and player movement etc)

    Also doesn’t hurt that he gives puckiq a shout out and uses our data to help figure QoC stuff.

    Today was LW:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-left-wingers-three-seasons/

    You’ll never guess who was first.

    Nice to see Draisaitl at #16 for Cs. That’s pretty good company. McDavid was in there somewhere, too.

  141. N64 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: You’ll never guess who was first.

    ~ Well since the link clearly states the list is based on THREE years can’t possibly be that Locker Room Cancer who needed a change of scenery to become an elite player. ~

  142. bendelson says:

    It’s beginning to feel like October 2014… just a waiting game until the coach is fired. Of course, we have known this for some time now. Must be part of ‘the plan’…

  143. Professor Q says:

    jtblack: JACK HUGES.6GP 1G 6 A7 PTS.I know he is consensus #1 but he has started quite slow.Sure that will change

    He is, however, a Bigs deal.

  144. McSorley33 says:

    First, only the Oilers could hire a PP specialist and then proceed not to use him.

    Second, Taylor Hall ranked as the #1 LW in hockey….

    I wonder what the trade value is of the guys ranked #2 – 4 would be…just curious.

    We’re gonna need a bigger bottle of Whiskey.

  145. stephen sheps says:

    So I’m sitting here transcribing interviews and seeing posts about the sky falling, crap line combinations, firing the coach, PP formation, taylor hall being the best winger in hockey and whiskey. Like bendelson just said, it’s beginning to feel a lot like 2014 all over again. This is exactly what I was doing then (transcribing and writing on the fly). Different data set, same thing.

    Also, isn’t it too early in the day for whiskey? Sure I like a dram or two while I’m writing, but I tend to at least wait until after sundown.

  146. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    stephen sheps,

    It’s 5 o’clock somewhere!

  147. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Sergei Zholtok.

  148. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Again – Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Debrincat, Barzal, etc.

    What’s done is done, however…….

    **********************************************************************

    But, we keep saying that year after year……it’s quite the list.

    Some organizations – might have asked a question or 2 about *half way* though that list.

    Here we are though….just possibly – watching a Crime Against the Hockey Gods unfold
    before our eyes.

  149. Lowetide says:

    For the Athletic: Practice lines in Boston, anger in Edmonton and Kailer Yamamoto remains on the No. 2 line.

    https://theathletic.com/579358/2018/10/10/lowetide-practice-lines-in-boston-anger-in-edmonton-and-kailer-yamamoto-remains-on-the-no-2-line/

  150. godot10 says:

    Manny Viveiros is getting the Jesse Puljujarvi treatment!

  151. dustrock says:

    Yeah, I don’t blame McLellan for the roster holes at all, but seeing the same tricks over and over again, with a brand new, experienced coaching staff.

    Really does feel like Eakins Year Two.

    I had thought they would give McLellan until the end of October no matter what, but if they get laughed off the ice/quit on the coach after 5 games, I can see them pulling the trigger.

  152. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Eberle
    Hall-RNH-Yamamoto
    Pouliot-Barzal-Puljujarvi
    Guy-Khaira-Kassian

    Kelfbom-Guy
    Sekera-Demers
    Nurse-Benning

    Talbot
    Guy

    This could be us but Because Oilers.

    They’d have ~6MM to fill in the “guys”

    Drai gets 7.5 in my universe because he’s a winger.

    Note: I know that Yammamto and JP might not be there in the alternate universe but I wanted to see what it looked like.

    I also know that Barzal wasn’t EDM’s pick but it my alternate universe (I actually had Svechnikov there)

    Looks better than TOR imo.

  153. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10:
    Manny Viveiros is getting the Jesse Puljujarvi treatment!

    THESE PRETZELS ARE MAKING ME THIRSTY!

  154. Richard S.S. says:

    Taylor Hall was never a PPG forward consistently while with the Oilers, while he was such a time or two.
    Taylor Hall finally exceeded a PPG rate last year with New Jersey, becoming the Player the Oilers drafted.

  155. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Eberle
    Hall-RNH-Yamamoto
    Pouliot-Barzal-Puljujarvi
    Guy-Khaira-Kassian

    Kelfbom-Guy
    Sekera-Demers
    Nurse-Benning

    Talbot
    Guy

    This could be us but Because Oilers.

    They’d have ~6MM to fill in the “guys”

    Drai gets 7.5 in my universe because he’s a winger.

    Note: I know that Yammamto and JP might not be there in the alternate universe but I wanted to see what it looked like.

    I also know that Barzal wasn’t EDM’s pick but it my alternate universe (I actually had Svechnikov there)

    Looks better than TOR imo.

    Your lines are wrong…

    Nugent-Hopkins, McDavid, somebody.
    Hall, Draisaitl, somebody
    somebody, Barzal, Eberle

  156. leadfarmer says:

    Sit down. Write down your expected team pp rankings. Look at it at end of season and have a laugh. Sure you probably expect Toronto Tampa Jets and Pens in top 5. But you’ll notice it’s mostly a random number generator with teams routinely going from bottom 10 to top 10 and vice versa. I mean Oilers could be 5th like two years ago or last like last year. Who knows

  157. Darth Tu says:

    Question – are either Scherbak or De La Rose (Montreal Canadiens) worth a waiver claim? One of the two is likely to be getting sent down pretty soon as De La Rose is about to be reactivated from IR.

    Now, De La Rose is a big left winger that can play centre and PK. Scherbak is more of an AHL level scorer from what I can tell, but probably has more offensive upside moving forward.

    Or do you pass on both?

  158. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    N64: ~ Well since the link clearly states the list is based on THREE years can’t possibly be that Locker Room Cancer who needed a change of scenery to become an elite player. ~

    Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow

    Don’t stop it it’ll soon be here.

    It’ll be better than before.

    Yesterday’s gone, yesterday’s gone.

  159. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    For the Athletic: Practice lines in Boston, anger in Edmonton and Kailer Yamamoto remains on the No. 2 line.

    https://theathletic.com/579358/2018/10/10/lowetide-practice-lines-in-boston-anger-in-edmonton-and-kailer-yamamoto-remains-on-the-no-2-line/

    THE SEA WAS ANGRY THAT DAY MY FRIENDS!

    LIKE AN OLD MAN TRYING TO SEND BACK SOUP IN A DELI!

  160. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Your lines are wrong…

    Nugent-Hopkins, McDavid, somebody.
    Hall, Draisaitl, somebody
    somebody, Barzal, Eberle

    You do your world, I’ll do mine.

    I like your world too.

  161. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pescador: please don’t post anymore about Pontus Aberg,
    It’s over

    I, for one, want more Aberg.

  162. Professor Q says:

    I see everyone is in a patient and chipper mood today. It’s great to see.

  163. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    Free squares on the bingo card?don’t see many.

    Oilers schedule is challenging to say the least:

    BOS
    NYR *
    WPG
    BOS
    NSH
    PITT
    WSH
    NSH
    CHI
    MIN
    CHI
    DET*
    WSH
    T.B.
    FLA

    Det and NYR would be the only “easy” games.But no games are easy for Edmonton.I don’t remember a sched this tough in the last 3 years. This sched is littered with Cup Champs and Top Contenders.

    My Heart is trying to be hopeful. My head say “Oh Oh” ……

    This site, TSN 1260, the other blogs and Oilers twitter could be in complete meltdown by the end of month.

    Let’s watch and see what happens!!

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: +1
    It’s been 3 days of whining about Aberg.Nothing I have read has convinced me that the Oilers made a season ending error by not claiming him for the farm.
    I agree it would not have been stupid to claim him,
    there, can we fcking please move on from this?
    Far more pressing needs,
    besides Malone is a fine recall option.

    I’m still confused why I have to move on from talking about a management decision that happened over the last couple of days that is completely relevant to a question posted by Lowetide in the initial entry.

    Each and every day, I read about Taylor Hall, Matt Barzal, Jordan Eberle, etc.

    I disagree that Brad Malone is a fine call-up and would love to know what that’s based on.

  165. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: THE SEA WAS ANGRY THAT DAY MY FRIENDS!

    LIKE AN OLD MAN TRYING TO SEND BACK SOUP IN A DELI!

    The question is are you the master of your domain??

  166. Darth Tu says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Agreed, I’ve been talking about this for months. The schedule can be described as cruel, at it’s best, to start the season.

    Nothing like trial by fire!

    And I’ll now sound like Original Pouzar, if the Oilers can make it to the end of October even anywhere close to .500 there’s still a chance for a good year. Now, what good is, probably varies by personal viewpoint. I’d like to see marked improvements on goals against and a challenge for a playoff spot. If we fail to make it by a few points I’ll be gutted, but not totally unhappy. If we’re in the “Play Slack for Jack” territory, then I’m an unhappy camper.

  167. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: Matthews is breaking even while scoring a bunch of points.Best get quick rich scheme ever.We always talk about d scoring points and getting paid while not being good defensively.Why arent we talking about forwards especially centers.I’m going to laugh when he just breaks even and the Leafs will pay him Mcdavid money for playing all out offense.Actually they will pay all their young guys big money for playing all out offense minimal defense.
    The Maple Leafs have given up 4.25 gpg without having played a single playoff team (maybe Dallas if you squint very hard)

    Andersen was one of the goalies with the most TOI last year.

    Those goalies tend to drop in SV% the next year.

    TOR will be gongshow hockey all year.

    They can score a ton, but they give up a ton.

    Love that shit.

    Fuck 3-2 hockey.

    7-6 foreva!!

  168. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jaxon: I found that funny as well. Can’t dispute that. I will laugh too. Leafs and Canes are scoring in bunches, but they’re not exactly keeping the puck out of their own net. that said, they are winning. Doubt this is sustainable hockey, though.

    GF% is king.

    If you can outscore your GA it doesn’t matter.

    CAR is +6 in goals and 1st in the leauge.

    TOR is +3 and is 3rd.

    Its very very very very very very very very very very early but GF% rules all.

    Also,

    This is why every complaint about Hall never held water.

    He outscored the toughest comp with RNH at C and his best Dman he ever had behind him was Petry.

    Man.

  169. Pescador says:

    N64: ~ Well since the link clearly states the list is based on THREE years can’t possibly be that Locker Room Cancer who needed a change of scenery to become an elite player. ~

    You forgot ‘Coach killer’
    Irregardlessly

  170. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: Klef skates the puck well but doesnt move it well.Bouchard may not be here in a few weeks.That leaves Klefbom

    I think Klef is a better passer than puck-skater.

    Nurse is a better puck-skater than passer.

    Dmen who skate the puck out have a special value because most neutral zone pressure schemes are about closing down passing lanes and a guy who can skate with the puck can get the puck to the promised land (ozone) is very valuable because you can beat most forechecks.

  171. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pescador: You forgot ‘Coach killer’
    Irregardlessly

    But how many puppies did he drown?

  172. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I, for one, want more Aberg.

    You caught a fever
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8fpVNhiqKQ

  173. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    All of them
    Dallas, Ralph, Todd, even Julien

  174. commonfan29 says:

    All you people doing alternate worlds without Yak make me sad.

    Hall-Nuge-Drai
    Yak-McD-DeBrincat
    JP-Barzal-Eberle
    Pouliot-Khaira-Kassian

  175. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I think Bouchard, Nurse and Klef (so one on each pairing) are all plus puck mover out of zone.

    – Klef can also score a lot when healthy, and Bouchard/Bear should rack up more assists than grade A mistakes on the 3rd pairing

    – So the flow of the game has changed, and more scoring is a better environment for our D than a dead-puck era IMO

    Agreed.

    Bouchard and Klef can pass and Nurse can skate the puck out.

  176. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I think Bouchard, Nurse and Klef (so one on each pairing) are all plus puck mover out of zone.

    – Klef can also score a lot when healthy, and Bouchard/Bear should rack up more assists than grade A mistakes on the 3rd pairing

    – So the flow of the game has changed, and more scoring is a better environment for our D than a dead-puck era IMO

    Agreed.

    Bouchard and Klef can pass and Nurse can skate the puck out.

    jtblack:
    I know Nurse is not supposed to score many goals.But Oiler Nation seems to value him as a decent offensive Dman.

    He has 0 goals and 8 assists in his last 37 games.

    Just sayin’

    Dmen provide value via:

    -minimizing high danger shots against
    -getting the puck back in the dzone
    -making the right first pass/skating the puck out

    Those don’t have turn into points often.

  177. jtblack says:

    Professor Q: He is, however, a Bigs deal.

    Yes. bu all accounts he will go #1. There was talk he would break the USNP scoring record this yr. Still could. Slow start for sure.

  178. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock: i think we need to be careful here.

    I don’t believe they ever confirmed Vivieros was manning the PP.He was video and eye in the sky.

    Yeah, I have different info

  179. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Rishaug ripping Todd’s decisions on Gregor’s show.

    His connection is management, not coaching.

    Hmmmmm.

  180. N64 says:

    Pescador: You forgot ‘Coach killer’
    Irregardlessly

    ~ yeah. nothing kills coaches better than an outscoring elite winger ~

  181. Professor Q says:

    jtblack: Yes. bu all accounts he will go #1.There was talk he would break the USNP scoring record this yr. Still could. Slow start for sure.

    I always wondered how the USNTDP really worked, and the benefits of it.

    So just two teams of U18 and U17 players, playing against themselves and each other, against NCAA teams, and against USHL teams. A very interesting concept which is quite different than we’re used to here in Canada.

    Could a CNTDP work despite grumblings from the CHL? Top U17 and U18 players in the CHL play against each other, CHL teams, NCAA teams, U SPORTS teams, and national teams?

    How are the points tallied for the NTDP differentiated between the various categories of opponents, if so?

  182. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Rishaug ripping Todd’s decisions on Gregor’s show.

    His connection is management, not coaching.

    Hmmmmm.

    I’ve been wondering if maybe he wants out. Wants to be fired to get paid. Nothing adds up as usual.

  183. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I may have to stay off all Oiler social media, fanbase is going to flip on the 4RW:

    Oilers projected lineup at BOS:

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Rieder-Strome-Kassian
    Caggiula-Khaira-Puljujärvi

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Garrison-Benning

    Talbot

    I won’t flip but if this is the actual lineup for tomorrow it will prove a point that I have been making for some time now and that is McLellan may be a good man but is he the right man? I would argue that his leadership skills are below average, his player deployment is below average and his ability to formulate a game winning strategy for the players he is given is poor to non existant!

  184. Jaxon says:

    Woodguy v2.0: GF% is king.

    If you can outscore your GA it doesn’t matter.

    CAR is +6 in goals and 1st in the leauge.

    TOR is +3 and is 3rd.

    Its very very very very very very very very very very early but GF% rules all.

    Also,

    This is why every complaint about Hall never held water.

    He outscored the toughest comp with RNH at C and his best Dman he ever had behind him was Petry.

    Man.

    Agreed. But I’m inclined to believe high goals against is a more sustainable stat than high goals for. So the question is when their goals for slows down will their goals against slow down as well? Neither team has great goaltending and I doubt Matthews and Tavares stay on pace for 260 goals.

  185. jtblack says:

    Professor Q: I always wondered how the USNTDP really worked, and the benefits of it.

    So just two teams of U18 and U17 players, playing against themselves and each other, against NCAA teams, and against USHL teams. A very interesting concept which is quite different than we’re used to here in Canada.

    Could a CNTDP work despite grumblings from the CHL? Top U17 and U18 players in the CHL play against each other, CHL teams, NCAA teams, U SPORTS teams, and national teams?

    How are the points tallied for the NTDP differentiated between the various categories of opponents, if so?

    Good questions. I dont know exactly who they play. I dont think they differentiate points.

    USNP will havee approx 7 kids drafted in the 1st round this year.

    I don’t think the CHL will ever give up their top young kids.

  186. N64 says:

    McSorley33: Here we are though….just possibly – watching a Crime Against the Hockey Gods unfold
    before our eyes.

    Dispatch, We’ve got a 10-97 in progress

  187. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    flyfish1168: The question is are you the master of your domain??

    I have nothing better to do at 3 o’clock in the afternoon than to treat my body like its an amusement park.

  188. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, I want him to “force the issue” – I don’t want him rushed to the NHL after a handful of professional games. We are talking about the first call-up here.That could be tomorrow and its likely before the end of the month in any event.

    Cooper Marody is a nice prospect but he isn’t a high end offensive prospect and is unlikely to be a top 6 guy in the NHL.I don’t see him “forcing the issue” in his first month of pro hockey.

    I could totally be wrong, however, if he’s the first call-up, I anticipate its much sooner than is optimal to develop him in to the best NHL player he can become.

    Similar counting stats to Jake Guentzel in both his draft year in the USHL and their junior years in NCAA. His time missed due to mono clouds his offensive potential.

    If a skill winger goes down with injury, there’s a much higher chance Chiasson draws into the lineup, one of the other wingers move up, and Brad Malone gets recalled to sit in the PB. If Marody does get recalled, I doubt he spends the entirety of the year in Edmonton. If he gets 2-3 weeks in November and goes down until February, isn’t he still getting development time in the AHL. I don’t see this being a huge deal, it’s not entirely uncommon for players to get a cup of coffee in the NHL then go back to the minors to refine their game. It could arguable be beneficial.

    You were a large supporter of keeping our powder dry. We’ve done that, and we are here now.

  189. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: GF% is king.

    If you can outscore your GA it doesn’t matter.

    CAR is +6 in goals and 1st in the leauge.

    TOR is +3 and is 3rd.

    Its very very very very very very very very very very early but GF% rules all.

    Also,

    This is why every complaint about Hall never held water.

    He outscored the toughest comp with RNH at C and his best Dman he ever had behind him was Petry.

    Man.

    I never truly understood this before spending more time on this blog. One of many things that my eyes were opened too here.

    I find it hard to believe some posters here see GF% and cry out that we need guys who can stop the goals against, like they don’t understand how a % of GF and GA works. Facepalm worthy stuff

  190. GMB3 says:

    Pescador: You forgot ‘Coach killer’
    Irregardlessly

    Irregardlessly is a new one.

    I would have surmised that poor goaltending, piss poor defensive core and a bunch of overpaid, over the hull veterans were the real coach killers.

  191. GMB3 says:

    If one line outscores the opposition (this is how games are won, by scoring more goals than the other team), while the other three lines get outscored, is it that first lines fault we don’t make the playoffs?

    Asking for a friend.

  192. godot10 says:

    Jaxon: Agreed. But I’m inclined to believe high goals against is a more sustainable stat than high goals for. So the question is when their goals for slows down will their goals against slow down as well? Neither team has great goaltending and I doubt Matthews and Tavares stay on pace for 260 goals.

    As we saw in the eighties, there is a tipping point where goals begin begetting more goals. And then all you need is a goaltender with no memory who can stop the next shot.

  193. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: As per Todd’s verbal, what he’s trying to “fix” is the bottom two lines getting absolutely caved all game long, in particular the 4th line.I don’t think its as much about splitting up that 3rd line but given the other line a bit of a change in order for it to, hopefully, be successful at transitioning the puck.

    Given TV timeouts etc a good coach plays the fourth line a very limited amount! Who would you rather have on the ice the fourth line or a line with McDavid and or a second line with Drai? This seems like a no brainer to me! This the NHL not intramural high school sports! The man needs a reality check! First line match and use your home ice advantage. Have your team play to win not sit back and wait for the other team to make a mistake! There are no dinosaurs left in our world for a reason! Be proactive and adjust! The idea that if we play our game the right way we will win assumes that the other team can’t or won’t make adjustments. Critical thinking and using your strengths is how you win! Please get in the game! Losing your temper and showing you are upset accomplishes nothing! Cold hard calculation without emotion is the answer, Bench tantrums are not! End of rant!

  194. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilman99:
    If Strome is still with the team next year, he would be a better bet to be put on the wing, as McLeod is quicker and faster. I agree having him play with Maksimov would be great, but I think he will force them to keep him on the big club next fall based on the way he played already this year.

    Here’s hoping.

  195. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Dmen provide value via:

    -minimizing high danger shots against
    -getting the puck back in the dzone
    -making the right first pass/skating the puck out

    Those don’t have turn into points often.”

    Def true. I guess My thoughts were two fold

    1) If you play 20 mins per night and don’t score more 15 or 20 points during a season; its hard to suggest you are adding to the offence. Now if you are excellent on the D side; surentheres value. What were thoise same Oilers d mens GF% last year and the last half ? They certainly weren’t a big part of the O.

    2) I think the lack of D scoring across the team suggests 2 things The type of D players Pete has assembled AND the systems Todd runs (slow it down, side to side catch).

  196. pts2pndr says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think Klef is a better passer than puck-skater.

    Nurse is a better puck-skater than passer.

    Dmen who skate the puck out have a special value because most neutral zone pressure schemes are about closing down passing lanes and a guy who can skate with the puck can get the puck to the promised land (ozone) is very valuable because you can beat most forechecks.

    Well said! This ability is also not common and as LT would say has value!

  197. pts2pndr says:

    GMB3:
    If one line outscores the opposition (this is how games are won, by scoring more goals than the other team), while the other three lines get outscored, is it that first lines fault we don’t make the playoffs?

    Asking for a friend.

    You are assuming both teams play four lines? Being able to get the mismatch re lines or against third pairing D is where many games are won or lost. Matching your teams strengths against your opponents weaknesses is the answer. Much easier to say than do but not impossible!

  198. Ari says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I have nothing better to do at 3 o’clock in the afternoon than to treat my body like its an amusement park.

    Glamour magazine anyone?

  199. pts2pndr says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I have nothing better to do at 3 o’clock in the afternoon than to treat my body like its an amusement park.

    So many questions! So many visuals! I think you may be a brother from another mother!😉

  200. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Similar counting stats to Jake Guentzel in both his draft year in the USHL and their junior years in NCAA. His time missed due to mono clouds his offensive potential.

    If a skill winger goes down with injury, there’s a much higher chance Chiasson draws into the lineup, one of the other wingers move up, and Brad Malone gets recalled to sit in the PB. If Marody does get recalled, I doubt he spends the entirety of the year in Edmonton. If he gets 2-3 weeks in November and goes down until February, isn’t he still getting development time in the AHL. I don’t see this being a huge deal, it’s not entirely uncommon for players to get a cup of coffee in the NHL then go back to the minors to refine their game. It could arguable be beneficial.

    You were a large supporter of keeping our powder dry. We’ve done that, and we are here now.

    I remain a proponent of keeping our powder dry.

    There was a very easy “fix” to put at least one more body with NHL acuuman between either Malone or Marody and the NHL – a player that has seen some success in the NHL but likely doesn’t have an NHL future but he can help the AHL team at zero cost to the cap and, when called up, has a league minimum cap hit.

    I’d prefer prospects to be called up on merit, as opposed to forced up for 2-3 week stints due to injury.

    What is we get two forward injuries at once? Not unreasonable to project and, in fact, somewhat likely.

Newer Comments »

Leave a Reply

Want to join the discussion?
Feel free to contribute!

Leave a Reply

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

© Copyright - Lowetide.ca