Game Two 2018-19: Oilers at Bruins

Todd McLellan shuffled his lines at practice in Boston, sending Jesse Puljujarvi to the fourth line (or bizarro third line, it’s honestly hard to tell these days). McLellan is going to do this his way, but success will need to follow. If you are unorthodox you need to win. If you’re Whitey Herzog and it’s 1982 you are a genius. Come 1990? Time for the off ramp. Still, it’s one thing to try an idea in practice, quite another to use it for an entire game. McLellan is clearly searching.

Seen some hard times
Drawn some bad lines
No time for shoeshines
Hard nose the highway

-Van Morrison, Hard Nose the Highway

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Joel Persson’s early season performance in the SHL.
  • New Lowetide: Practice lines in Boston, anger in Edmonton and Kailer Yamamoto remains on the No. 2 line.
  • New Jonathan Willis: At 34, is Kyle Brodziak just too old to help the Oilers?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Why Todd McLellan’s name keeps showing up on those ‘first coach fired in 2018-19’ lists
  • New James Mirtle: Sizing up the NHL 2018-19 by age, height and age (Oilers content)
  • Black Dog: Edmonton’s future is bright, but there are all kinds of questions in the present.
  • Lowetide: Evan Bouchard survives first game.
  • Lowetide: Ryan McLeod takes demotion in stride, while a Condo of Condors impress on opening weekend.
  • Jonathan Willis: On AHL opening night, Caleb Jones and friends make it clear they want NHL jobs.
  • Lowetide: Orange, white and blue October: In 1979, the Oilers rocked the NHL.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After the death of his father, Sweden trip holds special significance for Adam Larsson, and one of his opponents.
  • Scott Wheeler: How the eye test fails to properly evaluate Evan Bouchard.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Why the Nuge-McDavid-Rattie line has been so successful.
  • Lowetide: The 2018-19 Oilers are in a period of transition.
  • Jonathan Willis: How worried should the Oilers be about the preseason struggles of Milan Lucic and Leon Draisaitl?

HOW BAD WAS IT?

I have archives for this blog going back to late spring 2007 and believe me there are passages from all of us that reflect searing pain and acid rain. I think it’s important to look at things logically and that paints an interesting picture.

The five lefties on the power play plan has people up in arms, but they cashed in Game 1 of the season and are rolling at 25 percent. If the current group goes a few games without scoring, I’m sure we’ll see a tweak.

It’s the same with the third and fourth lines. McLellan is looking for some kind of solution and we know shuffling lines is one of his favourite tools. In the projected lineup below, that third line is just about the most experienced trio he can cobble, and the fourth line is a group of kids trying to find their way.

TODAY’S PROJECTED LINEUP

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Connor McDavid—Ty Rattie
  • Milan Lucic—Leon Draisaitl—Kailer Yamamoto
  • Tobias Rieder—Ryan Strome—Zack Kassian
  • Drake Caggiula—Jujhar Khaira—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Darnell Nurse—Matt Benning
  • Kris Russell—Evan Bouchard
  • Cam Talbot (Mikko Koskinen)

I’ll change the lineup if there are last minute changes (Nuge did practice yesterday), not sure about anything beyond the No. 1 line and the top two pairings (plus Talbot). I will tell you I have absolutely no expectations entering this game. The preseason is gone, we have one game as a reference point, and tonight could be 7-0 Boston or a close one. I can’t see Edmonton blowing out the Bruins, though. That No. 1 line featuring Bergeron with Marchand and Pastrnak is just too good to shut down.

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 2015:0-2-0, goal differential -4
  • Oilers in October 2016: 2-0-0, goal differential +5
  • Oilers in October 2017:1-1-0, goal differential +2
  • Oilers in October 2018: 0-1-0, goal differential -3

Edmonton’s first game has been discussed to death so it’s good to get this party started. The first ‘must win’ game for October goes on Saturday, grabbing a point tonight would be a great result for the Oilers. The goal differential is also important and the penalty kill could use a strong game.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM OCTOBER

  • On the road to: Sweden to play NJD (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Boston, NYR, Winnipeg (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Washington (Expected 1-3-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Chicago (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 3-6-2, 8 points in 11 games 
  • Current results: 0-1-0, 0 points after one game

The Oilers play Boston tonight, at MSG Saturday morning and then Tuesday against the Jets to round out the road trip. Is it possible to come home 2-2-0? I think that’s too much to ask, but we’ll see. A strong rebound game today would bring a lot of cheer to Oilers fans.

The team is 2-1-0 so far and that puts them near the top of the Pacific Division, rare air for the Condors in the AHL. Eight individual forwards have scored in the three games, that’s a nice reflection of improved depth. Tyler Benson and Cooper Marody are the class of the signed group up front.

  • Condors start 2015-16: 1-1-1 (-4GD)
  • Condors start 2016-17: 1-2-0 (+1GD)
  • Condors start 2017-18: 1-2-0 (-6GD)
  • Condors start 2018-19: 2-1-0 (+3GD)

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. It’s going to be a helluva day for Oilers fans, feels like opening night all over again. Scheduled to appear:

  • Alex Thomas, The Oilers Rig, The Hockey Writers and Murphy’s Hockey Law. We get the Oilers and Bruins updated from Bostonian Thomas, who is an excellent writer and observer of all things orange, white and blue.
  • Daniel Gallen from Penn Live. Eagles have struggled all year, but the NFC East has been awful in the first quarter so there’s still time. Big one against Eli tonight.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Oilers have played only one game but the Todd McLellan drum is getting louder.
  • Andrew Peard, Oil Kings PBP. The team is still playing well but the results aren’t coming since the quick start.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Two hours of radio straight ahead!

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  1. godot10 says:

    theDjdj:
    Bouchard might actually stay for longer than 9 games. He’s the third best Dman to my eye.

    You’re going to keep him for the sh$tshow?

  2. hunter1909 says:

    Kanye West talking at the WH today. After tonight’s game I think I’ll go and check that out.

  3. Material Elvis says:

    Pastrnak hooked Reider on that breakaway. No call.

  4. ArmchairGM says:

    OmJo:
    He did it! Nuge-McDavid-Drai is a thing!

    Great! Now create a KY-JJ-JP line and sit everyone else for the remainder of the game.

  5. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    That’s the Rieder I know from pre-scouting.

  6. Hockey Project says:

    Rieder was absolutely flying there.

  7. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    I swear I thought that puck was in.

    I swear I thought turkeys could fly.

  8. theDjdj says:

    godot10: You’re going to keep him for the sh$tshow?

    I want to see a winning team. I dont think burning a year off an ELC should be a consideration if the player is meaningfully contributing to the team. If he continues to improve after 9 games I’d be comfortable him staying. I see your point though, team gets better value out of the contract by sliding it a year.

  9. jtblack says:

    when a team leads by 2 they pull back Fancies might look better for Edm in the 3rd, but don’t be fooled.

  10. theDjdj says:

    Legit question, if your kneeling over and stick cops you in the face is that really a penalty?

  11. OmJo says:

    Game 2 and our 3 centres are playing on the same line.

    TMac with an epic troll job right there.

  12. Admiral Ackbar says:

    They killed a penalty?!??!?!?!??!?! Perhaps the season isn’t lost!

  13. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    godot10,

    Way to chime in post replay.

  14. theDjdj says:

    Goalie needs to go as soon as we have possession in the Ozone

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    Time for Netflix and brood.

    Maniac is a great show.

    Norsemen cheers me up.

    This is groundhog day from Eakins era.

  16. Caribbeerman says:

    Lucic Dri and Yak is not a real line.

    Benning is not a top 4 D.

    Puljujarvi is not a bottom 6 winger.

    Address these issues and we are instantly a better team.

  17. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    theDjdj,

    The as-yet undetermined expansion draft is a legit tactical consideration.

  18. Professor Q says:

    deardylan:
    Professor Q: They’ve been doing this for years now. Only about to ramp up exponentially this year.

    Professor, CMD or AM?

    I would rather have 1 of them signed for long term deal rather than deal with agent games and the wrath of mom or dad. #Nylander #Wrathofparents

    Oh well we’re biased but obviously for me it’s McDavid. For everything you said and more. Leadership, stories life, and the “IT” factor. Just waiting for glory to come.

    Plus, he is already the leader of our team. No need for fancy jumping in dreamland.

  19. Kagato says:

    Is it too early to lose for Hughes? Can’t watch these games without that thought crossing my mind… sigh… damn you DoD!

  20. jake70 says:

    Shoot Drai, man.

  21. theDjdj says:

    McLellan’s refusal to innovate is going to be the death of this season

  22. hunter1909 says:

    Kanye West could do as good as job running the Oilers as the clowns running them today.

  23. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    I like 25-75 together.

  24. theDjdj says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    theDjdj,

    The as-yet undetermined expansion draft is a legit tactical consideration.

    Very good point

  25. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Time for Netflix and brood.

    Maniac is a great show.

    Norsemen cheers me up.

    This is groundhog day from Eakins era.

    Another satisfied Oilers fan!

  26. godot10 says:

    OmJo:
    Game 2 and our 3 centres are playing on the same line.

    TMac with an epic troll job right there.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

  27. jake70 says:

    hunter1909:
    Kanye West could do as good as job running the Oilers as the clowns running them today.

    MOGA Make the Oilers Great Again.

  28. Admiral Ackbar says:

    The past 10 minutes have been bloody painful to watch. I hope McD goes and demands a trade. Ownership needs a bloody wakeupcall.

  29. hunter1909 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    I like 25-75 together.

    75’s starting to play his game.

  30. hunter1909 says:

    jake70: MOGA Make the Oilers Great Again.

    lol

  31. fishman says:

    On Gregor’s show today they talked about the great culture Boston has. Having experienced veterans like Bergeron, Chara,Krejcki etc really helps there young players. We could sure use some of that!!!

  32. Professor Q says:

    Bad time to be able tune into the game, I guess.

    Sigh. On to the next one.

    Looks like Edmonton needs to get much better at face offs ASAP.

  33. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    jtblack:
    when a team leads by 2 they pull backFancies might look better for Edm in the 3rd, but don’t be fooled.

    I’m not. Without mcdavid this is probably the worst team in the league.

  34. texmex says:

    Man, I hope Houston gets an Nhl team so I can stop cheering for this team. With my luck, the oilers will relocate to Houston!!

  35. Hockey Project says:

    texmex:
    Man, I hope Houston gets an Nhl team so I can stop cheering for this team. With my luck, the oilers will relocate to Houston!!

    Living in Victoria, my wife has sometimes asked me what I would do if Seattle got a team.

  36. Material Elvis says:

    Benning isn’t very good.

  37. Bank Shot says:

    Bruins dont even pressure the last two minutes. They just collapse and force the Oilers defence to attempt to make a play.

    Easy money.

  38. fishman says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: I’m not. Without mcdavid this is probably the worst team in the league.

    We may be worst team WITH 97!

  39. Elkhorn Boy says:

    Need to give Benning an assist

  40. Dicky94 says:

    WOW.

  41. jake70 says:

    Material Elvis:
    Benning isn’t very good.

    Wow…they really need to give him an assist on that goal.

  42. Hockey Project says:

    I know the game was over, but please tell me that Benning didn’t make THAT pass.

  43. kb says:

    OmJo,

    I don’t disagree but with all of the the overspent $$, does 7 to 8.5 M mean you need to drive a line va playing with 3x6M men. Pretty sure Lucic drai nug would be a decent “first” line. Yes yes Lucic isn’t a 6M man or a first liner but that’s what we have. And that’s still less pay the. Boston’s first line.
    Xx- Mcdavid pu as your other first line? Juju strom yammo/ Rieder / Rattie???

  44. Ryan says:

    hunter1909: 75’s starting to play his game.

    I’m wishing my Deathmarch prediction was 75 not 89.

  45. Derek says:

    I’ve never coached a day in my life, but I think playing dump and chase hockey with Connor Mcdavid on the ice may be a mistake.

  46. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Why did I watch this?

    2 Games in:

    GF 3
    GA 9
    PPGA 3
    Goals with McD not on the ice …. guess…..

  47. JimmyV1965 says:

    Another rough night for Benning. 2 for 2.

  48. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    The oilers need what? 3 more NHL level defensemen?

  49. jtblack says:

    we should put Strome in next game.

  50. hunter1909 says:

    fishman:
    On Gregor’s show today they talked about the great culture Boston has. Having experienced veterans like Bergeron, Chara,Krejcki etc really helps there young players. We could sure use some of that!!!

    MacT mined Boston’s deep pool to bring us Oilers captain Bicycle/Ference, during the “Dallas hates everything about Yakupov” era.

  51. texmex says:

    Material Elvis,

    Thankfully we kept our powder dry rather than get a 2RD.

  52. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    So… how about a hunter’s death march for how many games it takes before TMac gets sacked?

  53. hunter1909 says:

    Bank Shot:
    Bruins dont even pressure the last two minutes. They just collapse and force the Oilers defence to attempt to make a play.

    Easy money.

    Boston played beautiful hockey tonight.

  54. Ryan says:

    Material Elvis:
    Benning isn’t very good.

    Well, a lot of people here wanted a trade for Faulk, but that ship has sailed. Doubt he’d waive his NTC to come here now.

  55. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    So… how about a hunter’s death march for how many games it takes before TMac gets sacked?

    oh! oh! Can I get 7 games?

  56. OmJo says:

    kb:
    OmJo,

    I don’t disagree but with all of the the overspent $$, does 7 to 8.5 M mean you need to drive a line va playing with 3x6M men. Pretty sure Lucic drai nug would be a decent “first” line. Yes yes Lucic isn’t a 6M man or a first liner but that’s what we have. And that’s still lesspay the. Boston’s first line.
    Xx-Mcdavid pu as your other first line? Juju strom yammo/ Rieder / Rattie???

    Not opposed to that tbh, though I’d rather Nuge-Drai-JP instead of Lucic on that line. McDavid can play with almost anybody.

  57. Ryan says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    Why did I watch this?

    2 Games in:

    GF 3
    GA 9
    PPGA 3
    Goals with McD not on the ice …. guess…..

    Might as well play the Condors here with McDavid and save payroll.

    Not sure it would look much different.

  58. OmJo says:

    We’ve yet to score a goal without McDavid on the ice.

  59. jtblack says:

    Remember the pre season prognosticators? as long as 75% of outr team regresses UP we will maybe make playoffs.

    Gotta say. 2 good teams. But SAT is literally must win.

    Like Bouchard a lot!

  60. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers “brain”trust: Todd McLellan, the team blows. Any plans?

    McLellan: I’m going to keep doing the same things as always!

    Oilers “brain”trust: Excellent. Carry On!

  61. RENNAVATE says:

    hunter1909:
    Kanye West talking at the WH today. After tonight’s game I think I’ll go and check that out.

    Don’t. It’s not worth it. Incoherent and unintelligent.

  62. workaroundaccount says:

    Jack Hughes looks like a pretty good prospect, but I’m not sure he is worth another terrible season.

  63. jtblack says:

    Bouchard actually tries to pass to teammates sticks. it’s refreshing

  64. hunter1909 says:

    The good news: Monday sees me going away on holiday until the following Saturday.

    How many Oilers games do I get to miss?

  65. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    RENNAVATE: Don’t. It’s not worth it. Incoherent and unintelligent.

    4D CHESS AND MINORITY REPORT

  66. fishman says:

    hunter1909: MacT mined Boston’s deep pool to bring us Oilers captain Bicycle/Ference, during the “Dallas hates everything about Yakupov” era.

    Yea but Ference couldn’t actually play! Pretty sure we are headed for a coaching change as not sure what other card they have to play? You can’t make any meaningful
    trades at this time of the the season. We have some good potential in Bakersfield but it’s way too green. Only hope they figure it out or we could be watching another year long death march. Man I hope I am wrong!

  67. russ99 says:

    This team is playing scared and safe. Nobody wants to do anything individual that could lead to mistakes and that’s in the way of success.

    May be time to make a change already.

  68. Ben says:

    Incoming rhetorical: How the eff is this a cap team??

  69. Dicky94 says:

    They have absolutely no drive. I know everyone says not to panic, it’s only been two games. The reality is it’s actually been for 84 games now. They just have no compete level at all.

  70. hunter1909 says:

    “The Ottoman empire Oilers”

  71. hunter1909 says:

    Dicky94:
    They have absolutely no drive. I know everyone says not to panic, it’s only been two games.The reality is it’s actually been for 84 games now. They just have no compete level at all.

    Sadly, post of the night.

  72. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: Yeah… I think going to go watch netflix now…

    You no like Killer Klowns?

  73. McSorley33 says:

    jtblack,

    People fall for it every year…….Oilers made a push in the 3rd they will say.

  74. Ryan says:

    texmex:
    Material Elvis,

    Thankfully we kept our powder dry rather than get a 2RD.

    Yup. Dry powder… Glad that we’re test driving Benning as the 2 RD with Russell being the only alternative.

  75. JimmyV1965 says:

    Well. There should be lots of message sending by the coach next practice. Benning will get a message. JP will get a message. Who else? Maybe we can start tracking messages sent per 60.

  76. Bling says:

    Score effects made the final fancies look a little bit better, but IMO Boston crushed the Oilers in the first half of the game when it mattered.

  77. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Ben:
    Incoming rhetorical: How the eff is this a cap team??

    +1

  78. hunter1909 says:

    I used to think the OBC, the real ones of Gretzky + Messier + the other stars were going to return, King Arthur style to save the team.

    Instead, Kevin Lowe and his boot licker MacT have managed to turn the franchise into “Bridge on the River Kwai”

    And they both still have executive bathroom keys.

  79. Pescador says:

    jtblack:
    when a team leads by 2 they pull backFancies might look better for Edm in the 3rd, but don’t be fooled.

    I’m an Oiler fan, I’m always fooled

  80. hags9k says:

    I was going to ask for a link to a stream, but I see they have made it 4-1…

  81. atxoil says:

    For a good while now Connor has been the only consistent reason to watch. I feel bad for him. As much as it would hurt, I would be happy for him if they set him free.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maksimov with 1G and 2A after two periods – Niagara up 4-1.

    Rodrigue has stopped 12 of 13 trouigh two periods – Drummondville up 1-0

    Maksimov finishes with 2G/2A and 8 shots in a 7-2 win.

    Rodrigue finishes with 1 goal allowed on 17 shots in a 7-1 win.

  83. jtblack says:

    Pescador: I’m an Oiler fan, I’m always fooled

    +1! Fooled us again. “Gonna play up tempo” …. Where?

    “Gonna play north – south” … Who?

    “Gonna deploy the 5L” .. Wait, they did do that

  84. McSorley33 says:

    I wonder if the Rangers and Jets play their backups against us…..

  85. Professor Q says:

    atxoil:
    For a good while now Connor has been the only consistent reason to watch. I feel bad for him. As much as it would hurt, I would be happy for him if they set him free.

    Why is everyone talking like this already?

    Sheesh.

    If it did actually happen, trust me, you’d all likely be singing a very different tune.

  86. HT Joe says:

    kb: I don’t disagree but with all of the the overspent $$, does 7 to 8.5 M mean you need to drive a line va playing with 3x6M men.

    He’s the 12th highest paid forward in the entire NHL. Driving a line should be a reasonable expectation.

  87. Ryan says:

    Dicky94:
    They have absolutely no drive. I know everyone says not to panic, it’s only been two games.The reality is it’s actually been for 84 games now. They just have no compete level at all.

    Honestly, I am not sure that’s the problem.

    It looks more like they have no one outside of 97 who knows how to create offense or score goals.

    Just a dearth of talent on this team.

  88. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Professor Q: Why is everyone talking like this already?

    Sheesh.

    If it did actually happen, trust me, you’d all likely be singing a very different tune.

    Maybe because this team played 60+ games last year that look exactly like the 2 they’ve played so far this year.

  89. workaroundaccount says:

    jtblack: +1!Fooled us again.“Gonna play up tempo” …. Where?

    “Gonna play north – south” … Who?

    “Gonna deploy the 5L” .. Wait, they did do that

    I believe he was talking about compass north ( Rogers is Built east-west).

  90. Richard Roma says:

    HT Joe: He’s the 12th highest paid forward in the entire NHL.Driving a line should be a reasonable expectation.

    I’m a Draisatl fan, but yeah he hasn’t been good at all this year thus far.

  91. Richard Roma says:

    OriginalPouzar: Maksimov finishes with 2G/2A and 8 shots in a 7-2 win.

    Rodrigue finishes with 1 goal allowed on 17 shots in a 7-1 win.

    Are you still holding the line on #justsaynotojustinFaulk after seeing Benning in the 4rd slot?

    I also think that a large portion of this fan base vastly overrates Nurse.

  92. stephen sheps says:

    So after that awful game I switched over to Nashville vs. Winnipeg to remind myself what good hockey looks like. Both teams are fast, incredibly skilled and physical. Better still? They hate each other. Has a playoff like pace and feel and it’s october. I’ll always be an Oilers fan but my year in Tennessee definitely made an impact. I think I’ll be watching a lot of Predators games again this season.

  93. jtblack says:

    Richard Roma: I’m a Draisatl fan, but yeah he hasn’t been good at all this year thus far.

    Don’t worry! It’s only pre season …… eeeerrrrrrrrr …uummmm

  94. flyfish1168 says:

    rangers just beat the sharks.

  95. Richard Roma says:

    Ryan: Honestly, I am not sure that’s the problem.

    It looks more like they have no one outside of 97 who knows how to create offense or score goals.

    Just a dearth of talent on this team.

    Look at the bright side.

    At least Chiarelli looks like an ass hat.

  96. jtblack says:

    stephen sheps:
    So after that awful game I switched over to Nashville vs. Winnipeg to remind myself what good hockey looks like. Both teams are fast, incredibly skilled and physical. Better still? They hate each other. Has a playoff like pace and feel and it’s october. I’ll always be an Oilers fan but my year in Tennessee definitely made an impact. I think I’ll be watching a lot of Predators games again this season.

    Went to Nashville for 3 days. Amazing place!!

  97. Richard Roma says:

    The Knives will be out for TMac.

    Now he has his flaws, but any coach given this roster is going to look unfavorably given the circumstances.

    The cries to fire Tmac will reach a crescendo. Then it will happen.

    The next coach will inherit this mess and on it goes.

  98. stephen sheps says:

    jtblack: Went to Nashville for 3 days.Amazing place!!

    I absolutely fell in love with that city. And there are lots of things I miss about my life in that part of the world, but I’m much happier in Toronto.

    But yes, Nashville is an incredible city. 3 days is barely enough time to scratch the surface. I can’t wait to go back again.

  99. Scungilli Slushy says:

    HT Joe: He’s the 12th highest paid forward in the entire NHL.Driving a line should be a reasonable expectation.

    His draft scouting spoke of his skating as an issue, it’s always plagued him. His feet can’t do what his eyes see. It’s. A shame as I see it.

    The Oilers site lists him at 208. He’s not heavy enough to be slow accelerating. I’m surprised he’s not more motivated to be better.

    If you haven’t seen, google ‘McDavid hockey drills’. Exactly how he plays are how his drills from teen years look. Extremely hard work. Every player, but especially high paid players should be targeting weaknesses, there is no excuse these days with how many resources they have.

    It’s also a great reason for bridge contracts. Demand improvement in really weak areas for paydays. Very few players consistently stay at the top. Those that do are probably the most focused and hardest working. Currently I see 2 on the Oilers- Connor and Lucic.

    Nurse is looking like it would have been a mistake long term so far at what he wanted.

  100. HT Joe says:

    Richard Roma: I’m a Draisatl fan, but yeah he hasn’t been good at all this year thus far.

    I’m a fan too… I didn’t mean for my comment to sound like I believe he’s a bad player. He’s a great player in the midst of a – dry spell? – and when he recovers, I fully expect him to drive a line.

  101. HT Joe says:

    Scungilli Slushy: His draft scouting spoke of his skating as an issue, it’s always plagued him. His feet can’t do what his eyes see. It’s. A shame as I see it.

    I think Drai has had a few poor games, and he just got back from Europe (as has the rest of the team). They’ll do better soon.

    (I am barely human after a transatlantic flight – jet lag is a thing)

  102. Material Elvis says:

    Ryan: Honestly, I am not sure that’s the problem.

    It looks more like they have no one outside of 97 who knows how to create offense or score goals.

    Just a dearth of talent on this team.

    Combination of both. Some high end talent but no depth — it’s in the pipeline. The work ethic (forecheck) could still be better. Special teams are awful; this is a mirror image of last season. Why the fuck is Glen Gulutzan running the power play?! #freeManny

  103. stephen sheps says:

    Richard Roma: Now he has his flaws, but any coach given this roster is going to look unfavorably given the circumstances.

    Are we certain of that? Coaches need to come up with tactics and systems that put their players in the best possible positions to succeed based on the skill-sets that they have. If the same old thing isn’t working, and based on the first two games the systems, player deployments and action on the ice doesn’t look all that different than last season, maybe it is the coach. Small sample size alert and all but Ottawa hasn’t looked quite as awful as expected and neither has Montreal, and both teams’ players have spoken about systems changes to fit the personnel they have. Carolina made a coaching change and look far better than last season.

    There actually is a lot of skill and talent on this roster (at least on paper) but it doesn’t look like the coach is putting his players in the best possible positions to succeed. And for the love of gord why are they playing dump and chase???

  104. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Richard Roma:
    The Knives will be out for TMac.

    Now he has his flaws, but any coach given this roster is going to look unfavorably given the circumstances.

    The cries to fire Tmac will reach a crescendo. Then it will happen.

    The next coach will inherit this mess and on it goes.

    Poor team play isn’t a roster issue. Losing with good team play is.

    The Oilers play uptight and can’t do basic things consistently. Only a handful of players can thrive in a wrong environment, the Oilers having Connor.

  105. littleenglish says:

    HT Joe,

    So what did the New Jersey Devils inject into themselves to come back to NA and curb stomp the cup winning Caps 6-0?

  106. fuzzy muppet says:

    McClellan singing the praises of Cagguila.

    Tenacity yes. Scrappy yes

    Also on for both PP goals against and scored one in his own net

    Fire The Coach already.

  107. Scungilli Slushy says:

    HT Joe: I think Drai has had a few poor games, and he just got back from Europe (as has the rest of the team).They’ll do better soon.

    (I am barely human after a transatlantic flight – jet lag is a thing)

    Good point about jet lag. I’d still prefer a loss from lacking spark than just playing poorly in general which is a pattern we may have seen all to often.

  108. dessert1111 says:

    Just catching up on the comments, and while I understand the negativity, I didn’t think they played *that* bad tonight.

    They were certainly much better than the first game, and they didn’t have many glaring errors – Boston made some nice scoring plays.

    We’re the Oilers the better team? No. But they looked more ‘average’ than ‘league worst’ imo.

    That being said, there aren’t many players who are exceling. Draisalt most notably. That second line isn’t working, and Lucic had another pretty good game, so I won’t blame him – maybe it’s chemistry.

    And Caggiula had an ok game too, and he’s someone I am not very high on in general.

    Benning looks like he’d be better on the third pairing. Both the second and third pairs seem disorganized – there were a number of times I saw the defensemen too closely bunched together defending a zone entry or on a breakout.

    Today, to me, it was less a case of individual blunders and more a case of a lack of units clicking. Which, compared to game one, is a positive sign at least.

    All that being said, if a Petrovic or a Faulk is available for cheap, I’d do it. The defense isn’t good enough.

  109. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    What jet lag? Was the team not in North America 4 days ago?

  110. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EDM wasn’t bad. They just lack scoring talent.

    Also,

    NSH’s 5 RHS 5v4 is 0-9 so far this year…..

  111. HT Joe says:

    littleenglish:
    HT Joe,

    So what did the New Jersey Devils inject into themselves to come back to NA and curb stomp the cup winning Caps 6-0?

    Maybe it helped that New Jersey players returned home while the Oilers flew to Boston to stay in a hotel? Research shows that sleep in unfamiliar environments is of lesser quality.

    (I’m stretching here… let me keep some positivity in tact please)

  112. Dicky94 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    The real jet lag will come on Tuesday night.

  113. dessert1111 says:

    Another thing I noticed today is a lot of backwards between the legs passes to exit the D zone. The number of players who did this made it seem like it was coached and practiced.

    It worked well tonight.

    Makes me a bit nervous for what happens when it’s scouted and other teams jump on it, but credit where do, I think it led to at least a few successful zone exits when the pick carrier was in trouble.

    A similiar sort of pass was made in the neutral zone by Rattle for the only goal as well.

  114. HT Joe says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    What jet lag? Was the team not in North America 4 days ago?

    Jet lag apparently takes 1 day per time zone to get over (read the book “Why We Sleep” – so depressing if you don’t get enough sleep habitually). They’re still jet lagged.

  115. who says:

    Scariest thing to me after 2 games is that they already look dead. No jump. No spark. They don’t even try to attack. They look nervous and scared to make a mistake.
    Benning and Nurse have no confidence at all. Can’t handle the puck and can’t make a decision.
    And JP looks like he’s starting to fight the puck too. Hard to tell cause I hardly saw him out there tonight.

  116. LMHF#1 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    McClellan singing the praises of Cagguila.

    Tenacity yes. Scrappy yes

    Also on for both PP goals against and scored one in his own net

    Fire The Coach already.

    This.

  117. LMHF#1 says:

    who:
    Scariest thing to me after 2 games is that they already look dead. No jump. No spark. They don’t even try to attack. They look nervous and scared to make a mistake.
    Benning and Nurse have no confidence at all.Can’t handle the puck and can’t make a decision.
    And JP looks like he’s starting to fight the puck too. Hard to tell cause I hardly saw him out there tonight.

    Why would they?

    The good players got no help and a bunch of the mediocre ones kept their jobs. Then the guys running the ship into the ground are still right there doing the same as ever.

  118. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Benning on the ice for 6/9 goals against.

  119. fuzzy muppet says:

    LMHF#1,

    Not to mention Cagguila had a 29.4 CF%

  120. workaroundaccount says:

    Here’s a chart on why I thought the Oil would be shit. (hint, they had 3.9 less top 300 players compared to league average). Lowest number of top 200 and top 300 players on their roster in the league.
    ANA ARI BOS BUF CAR CBJ CGY
    1-100 2 2 4 2 2 2 2
    100-200 4 3 4 3 5 3 5
    200-300 4 3 2 1 5 5 1
    300-400 2 3 2 2 0 3 4
    Top 300 Combined 10 8 10 6 12 10 8

    CHI COL DAL DET EDM FLA
    1-100 1 4 4 2 2 5
    100-200 3 2 0 2 1 2
    200-300 3 1 5 6 2 3
    300-400 4 6 2 3 7 2
    Top 300 Combined 7 7 9 10 5 10

    LAK MIN MTL NJD NSH
    1-100 3 3 1 1 4
    100-200 4 4 4 3 3
    200-300 0 2 2 3 3
    300-400 4 6 3 6 3
    Top 300 Combined 7 9 7 7 10

    NYI NYR OTT PHI PIT
    1-100 5 0 3 4 3
    100-200 1 5 1 3 4
    200-300 4 3 2 2 3
    300-400 1 2 3 4 1
    Top 300 Combined 10 8 6 9 10

    SJS STL TBL TOR VAN VEG WPG WSH
    1-100 3 4 5 4 2 5 5 4
    100-200 4 1 3 6 2 2 3 2
    200-300 5 3 2 1 3 4 3 4
    300-400 2 2 0 1 5 1 3 3
    Top 300 Combined 12 8 10 11 7 11 11 10

  121. Mr. D. says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Benning on the ice for 6/9 goals against.

    This signing was a huge mistake. Daddies ties to Chia and Benning in Vancouver was another example of old boys club
    Young Simpson was way better than YOUNG Lowe but the kept Lowe…BS

  122. Alpine says:

    I don’t think the team’s not trying. They’re just struggling with handling the puck, making plays, creating chances. Boston’s a tough team to play and man do they ever obstruct out there.

    To win on Saturday, the D needs to hold up. The Oilers have to finish the chances they do create and give themselves more looks on top of that.

    Rags are beatable in any sense. Imagine a young team built like the Oilers but with worse high end talent. They’ll be porous defensively and the Oilers can exploit that.

  123. Mr. D. says:

    HT Joe: Jet lag apparently takes 1 day per time zone to get over (read the book “Why We Sleep” – so depressing if you don’t get enough sleep habitually).They’re still jet lagged.

    New Jersey wasnt jet lagged tonight.

  124. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    EDM wasn’t bad.They just lack scoring talent.

    Also,

    NSH’s 5 RHS 5v4 is 0-9 so far this year…..

    If having scoring talent makes you a good team, then lacking it makes you a bad one.

  125. McSorley33 says:

    HT Joe,

    New Jersey looked okay in Europe and back after their transatlantic flight they look pretty good.

  126. Richard Roma says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Benning on the ice for 6/9 goals against.

    #justsaynotoFaulk

    #sarcasm

  127. hunter1909 says:

    If Oilers fans weren’t so horrible, the team would be looking forward to returning home.

    If they weren’t so horrible, Oilers would play better away from home also. Those lousy fans!

  128. LMHF#1 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    LMHF#1,

    Not to mention Cagguila had a 29.4 CF%

    When the player is losing in both the analytics and the ‘mostly by eye’ crowds…they shouldn’t be playing.

    Can the Oilers find one Coach who doesn’t have “his guys” for a change?

  129. Richard Roma says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    McClellan singing the praises of Cagguila.

    Tenacity yes. Scrappy yes

    Also on for both PP goals against and scored one in his own net

    Fire The Coach already.

    Cagguila can’t kill penalties.

    Can someone send the link and some instructions on how to operate Natural Stat Trick to the Oilers coaching staff?

    On a positive note, he can hit fairly effectively for a smaller guy.

  130. littleenglish says:

    HT Joe: hotel

    Oh sorry mate.

    I’ll add to that – maybe someone at the hotel spiked their drinks with laxatives, seeing as how they crossed the picket line the other day!

  131. razor says:

    Been thinking about Chia’s moves with our team and how we got here, and I think things really derailed after the Hall trade. Chia might have been on his way to dramatically improving the team pre- Hall trade.

    Before Hall:
    – Sekera signing
    – pickup up of Maroon and Kassian
    – Talbot for picks
    – Klefbom signing

    After Hall:
    – Lucic signing
    – Russell signing
    – Eberle for Strome
    – Draisaitl overpayment

    Of course the worse move looking back on it was Hall for Larsson. Imagine our top line of RNH and McDavid And 2nd with Hall and Draisaitl. No more talk of the need for Drai to “drive” his own line as his line would already have a driver. This is the model Toronto is running with now – all offense. Perhaps in a revisionist historical scenario, if Chia doesn’t make that one Hall trade, all the other terrible moves after never happen? One can only wonder.

  132. Richard Roma says:

    razor,

    No, the worst move was the Reinhart trade.

  133. lenko says:

    After I see McDavid score, I’m happy and then go and do something else. That’s all it’s been for the last year.

  134. McSorley33 says:

    I am going with 50% column A…….50% column B.

    The roster has glaring holes – 2RD, etc, to be sure….

    But ther is no way Tmac is getting the most out of this crew.

    There is nothing going on…at all with Lucic and Drai. Nothing.

    Tmac is dying on that hill…..

  135. razor says:

    Good point

    Richard Roma:
    razor,

    No, the worst move was the Reinhart trade.

  136. LMHF#1 says:

    Richard Roma:
    razor,

    No, the worst move was the Reinhart trade.

    Some people including myself were apoplectic over this move…they were set up so well and just blew it.

    I also maintain that since before the deadline in 2016 this management team has done essentially nothing right wrt the NHL roster.

  137. Pescador says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Benning on the ice for 6/9 goals against.

    Well I guess that question has been answered.
    We currently have a serviceable 2 in Larsson,
    Two LH’d 3’s in 77 & 25,
    Three 6’s and One 7
    To be fair to Benning he should be playing far fewer mins against softer Comp.
    Bet TMac H.scratches him on Saturday.
    Two cards left to play, put on a blindfold & promote Russell.
    Throw the kid to the wolves.
    Man

  138. flyfish1168 says:

    Richard Roma:
    razor,

    No, the worst move was the Reinhart trade.

    It may be the hiring of PC. JMHO

  139. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I was really thinking about the 5L and 5R. Still dont like it one bit, but Nash has a Norris Trophy RHD and 2 – 30 Goal scorers. So 10th last yr? they should be ok given the Talent. maybe better than 10th tho.

    Edm doesnt have that talent and is using the 5L. Not gonna end well

  140. jtblack says:

    Cagguila is the exact reason Analytics matters.

    I agree, he looked great to the eye test. Busy busy busy. Effective? Not so much. As usual

  141. Wilde says:

    Capturing video now, and there was an extended sequence where Bouchard played LD in the defensive zone, even after a reset.

    Anyone know what was up with that? Did it happen elsewhere?

  142. workaroundaccount says:

    jtblack:
    Cagguila is the exact reason Analytics matters.

    I agree, he looked great to the eye test. Busy busy busy.Effective? Not so much. As usual

    The Ryan Jones special.

  143. JimmyV1965 says:

    Richard Roma:
    The Knives will be out for TMac.

    Now he has his flaws, but any coach given this roster is going to look unfavorably given the circumstances.

    The cries to fire Tmac will reach a crescendo. Then it will happen.

    The next coach will inherit this mess and on it goes.

    I don’t agree with this at all. I see a decent not great team that is afraid to make mistakes. It doesn’t look like they’re having any fun at all. And while they’re professionals, this team will continue to spin its wheels if the players do not enjoy playing the game. We need a new coach. Full stop. We need a coach who talks to his players, gets the most out of his players. We don’t need a coach who messes with line combos during practice to send a message to players. We don’t need a coach who benches Brodziak after game one. This is a seasoned vet. The coach thinks he’s sending a message. The player is thinking what kinda shit show is this? This is 2018. We need a coach who can help young players develop. We don’t need a coach who kills confidence because players don’t know where they stand or what they need to do to improve. The only thing that sucks is Gully will be the replacement and I don’t know if he’s any better.

  144. JimmyV1965 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    McClellan singing the praises of Cagguila.

    Tenacity yes. Scrappy yes

    Also on for both PP goals against and scored one in his own net

    Fire The Coach already.

    I thought the Drake had a good game. He brings a lot of passion and tenacity. With good coaching, he could still be a valuable player. But when I saw him on the PK, I swore under my breath. WTF. Less than a minute later he’s the goat on the goal against.

  145. Professor Q says:

    Wilde:
    Capturing video now, and there was an extended sequence where Bouchard played LD in the defensive zone, even after a reset.

    Anyone know what was up with that? Did it happen elsewhere?

    I mean, he did it all the time in London, so *he’s* used to it (plus the roaming). It being a new McLellan trait is something I have no answer to, however.

    I’m not sure subtle or tiny changes to coaching style can save Todd now. Clock is winding down, fans are in quite the unrest, and it might be the last desperate move of a man also on the clock (Chia).

  146. Jaxon says:

    OmJo:
    We’ve yet to score a goal without McDavid on the ice.

    Nugent-Hopkins / Draisaitl / Puljujarvi
    Please

  147. Bondo11 says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t agree with this at all. I see a decent not great team that is afraid to make mistakes. It doesn’t look like they’re having any fun at all. And while they’re professionals, this team will continue to spin its wheels if the players do not enjoy playing the game. We need a new coach. Full stop.We need a coach who talks to his players, gets the most out of his players. We don’t need a coach who messes with line combos during practice to send a message to players. We don’t need a coach who benches Brodziak after game one. This is a seasoned vet. The coach thinks he’s sending a message. The player is thinking what kinda shit show is this? This is 2018. We need a coach who can help young players develop. We don’t need a coach who kills confidence because players don’t know where they stand or what they need to do to improve. The only thing that sucks is Gully will be the replacement and I don’t know if he’s any better.

    ++++1

  148. Richard S.S. says:

    To show the Players exactly how bad they are, sit Connor McDavid next game.

  149. Wilde says:

    I didn’t know how bad the average fan thought Benning was until I got on Twitter.

  150. GMB3 says:

    Wilde:
    I didn’t know how bad the average fan thought Benning was until I got on Twitter.

    What do you think about him?

    I didn’t get to see the game tonight, is the replay worth watching or is my time better spent watching something else

  151. GMB3 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    To show the Players exactly how bad they are, sit Connor McDavid next game.

    This seems like a productive exercise

  152. pts2pndr says:

    who:
    Scariest thing to me after 2 games is that they already look dead. No jump. No spark. They don’t even try to attack. They look nervous and scared to make a mistake.
    Benning and Nurse have no confidence at all.Can’t handle the puck and can’t make a decision.
    And JP looks like he’s starting to fight the puck too. Hard to tell cause I hardly saw him out there tonight.

    who:
    Scariest thing to me after 2 games is that they already look dead. No jump. No spark. They don’t even try to attack. They look nervous and scared to make a mistake.
    Benning and Nurse have no confidence at all.Can’t handle the puck and can’t make a decision.
    And JP looks like he’s starting to fight the puck too. Hard to tell cause I hardly saw him out there tonight.

    You are aware they were working on compete drills at practice. Does about the same thing as a bag skate! This is a coach thinking tough love will work! What he effectively did is give his opposition an advantage. The difference in this game was special teams and to a certain degree officiating. A fragile team like the Oilers are in dire need of something positive!

  153. Wilde says:

    GMB3: What do you think about him?

    I didn’t get to see the game tonight, is the replay worth watching or is my time better spent watching something else

    He’s a serviceable NHL defenceman, one of the better ROI contracts on the team, and the 4th best blueliner.

    I think he has no standout ability and that hurts him in terms of the fans’ view of him, but I’m surprised his big hits don’t buy him more fans, especially for a smaller guy.

    His passing has actually gotten worse the longer he’s been here, especially out of the DZ, which suggests to me that he’s got a chance to give you more than he currently does once there’s a new HC.

  154. GMB3 says:

    I know this is a knee-jerk reaction to a season still in its infancy, but is this entire coaching situation not indicative of how poorly run the Oilers are as a franchise??

    Everyone in the hockey world knows TMac is on thin ice. The GM brings in a relatively famous assistant coaching staff to surround him, with one of the top junior coaches and two other former NHL coaches who could be considered HC candidates. The GM has hamstrung himself into a roster where he has no salary cap flexibility or prospect depth matriculating to have any sort of currency to use in the trade market, and the only real way of making a significant change to buy more time is by replacing the head coach.

    So we are in a situation where the team counted on major improvements from far too many players players to find any success, It’s a situation that very easily could go poorly and the HC goes in the first 15-20 games if the Oilers continue to Oiler.

  155. Bling says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    EDM wasn’t bad.They just lack scoring talent.

    Also,

    NSH’s 5 RHS 5v4 is 0-9 so far this year…..

    They got caved until the game was out of reach.

    Every line was getting destroyed, but they turned it around to make the final fancies look respectable.

    McLellan singing the praises of Caggs after that game shows how tone deaf he is. Is he trolling the fanbase?

  156. GMB3 says:

    I truly think the Oilers are a team good enough to compete for a playoff spot but for me there seems to be a disconnect between not only the GM and the HC, but the HC and the team. There are enough talented players here for the Oilers to play solid systems hockey. Clearly, the HC can’t get the message across.

  157. Bling says:

    Also, why are they dumping it in so much?

    McLellan is doing about as many anti-analytics things you can do. He really ought to be fired.

    To come into this season with his level of preparation is completely inexcusable.

  158. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: He’s a serviceable NHL defenceman, one of the better ROI contracts on the team, and the 4th best blueliner.

    I think he has no standout ability and that hurts him in terms of the fans’ view of him, but I’m surprised his big hits don’t buy him more fans, especially for a smaller guy.

    His passing has actually gotten worse the longer he’s been here, especially out of the DZ, which suggests to me that he’s got a chance to give you more than he currently does once there’s a new HC.

    I agree with this. There could be a good player buried in Benning. That last pass he made on the empty netter only happens to a player who treats the puck like a grenade. He was totally focussed on getting rid of the puck as soon as he could. I think a coaching change would benefit him big time.

  159. GMB3 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Respectfully disagree. The roster is massively flawed. We knew this after last season. We’re still running the same D as 2yrs ago, minus a good player that hasn’t been replaced. We are weak on either wing. The GMs answer was to move a prime center to the wing and sign Reider and Brodziak.

    Still, all those draft picks we didn’t trade to fill important roster holes are going to look the bomb in 7yrs time, after McDavid has been traded to a team that doesn’t let the the grass grow under it’s feet.

    It’s criminal having the best player in the world surrounded by these players. It was bad enough seeing Hall struggle with AHLers and shitty vets. This is heart breaking.

    Aren’t we kind of in this situation by trying to progress too quickly after the McDavid draft? We traded two high picks for Griffin Reinhart. We gutted our prospect pipeline in the attempt to jump start things. Look at Toronto, they kept their high picks and they talented offensive forwards, and they look to be a force. McDavid is here for 7 years after this season, I highly doubt he asks for a trade (hell, Taylor Hall never did, and they were worse then). We need to hit on our first rounder this year and wait for Benson, Mcleod et al .

    The GM had little choice to do anything except chase the small fish this past off-season

  160. Richard Roma says:

    Bling:
    Also, why are they dumping it in so much?

    McLellan is doing about as many anti-analytics things you can do. He really ought to be fired.

    To come into this season with his level of preparation is completely inexcusable.

    You can have your pound of flesh by firing Mclellan, but it won’t materially fix the problem.

    It’s the roster.

  161. hunter1909 says:

    GMB3: The GM had little choice to do anything except chase the small fish this past off-season

    Why do you think he found himself in that position?

  162. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Richard Roma: You can have your pound of flesh by firing Mclellan, but it won’t materially fix the problem.

    It’s the roster.

    How different is this roster from the one that went to the second round 2 years ago?

  163. who says:

    GMB3: Aren’t we kind of in this situation by trying to progress too quickly after the McDavid draft? We traded two high picks for Griffin Reinhart. We gutted our prospect pipeline in the attempt to jump start things. Look at Toronto, they kept their high picks and they talented offensive forwards, and they look to be a force. McDavid is here for 7 years after this season, I highly doubt he asks for a trade (hell, Taylor Hall never did, and they were worse then). We need to hit on our first rounder this year and wait for Benson, Mcleod et al .

    The GM had little choice to do anything except chase the small fish this past off-season

    Exactly.
    I am against trading any significant future asset to try and fix this years team. The Oilers will not be a true cup contender this year no matter what they do. Hopefully Chia is thinking long term.
    Sure, it would be nice to bring in a top 4 defenseman this year but the team has limited cap space. And what do they have for tradeable assets that aren’t crucial to the future? Maybe Benning and a pick/prospect? Strome plus? And how good a dman can you acquire with that kind of package? Don’t see them getting a difference maker with that kind of trade bait.
    Patience is the only way out of this.

  164. Bling says:

    Richard Roma: You can have your pound of flesh by firing Mclellan, but it won’t materially fix the problem.

    It’s the roster.

    And deployment. And strategy.

    There are a lot of teams that are electing to sit highly priced veterans. Just off the top of my head, Shattenkirk in NY and Alzner in Montreal.

    You tell me why Lucic, who was sub-sub-replacement level for half a season last year, mediocre (or worse) in training camp, and awful 5v5 now for two regular season games, deserves to be in the top 6 or on the first unit PP, where there are 5 LH shots. He hasn’t been healthy scratched once during this time. It’s completely unacceptable.

    Why did the Oilers carry the puck into the offensive zone half as much as the Devils did? The league is becoming more possession driven, and Todd is asking for more dump-ins. Why would you do that when you have guys who can actually carry the puck?

    There are two young forwards, in Yamamoto and Puljujarvi, who look completely lost out there. One of them is playing with Lucic, and the other is looking up at Drake Caggiula’s ice-time, the only forward last year who could suppress the offence of the world’s best player. I haven’t seen a top 4 pick brought along the way JP has.

    No one is saying this team should be a cup contender. But there is no reason to not ice your best lineup, to put talented young players (whose performance this organization’s future relies upon) in positions to succeed, and to incorporate philosophies that smart teams are using to win games.

    A lot of us just want this team to do things that make sense, but apparently even that is beyond the scope of reasonable.

  165. hunter1909 says:

    2 games in – Oilers 31st in the NHL making like the Norway entry into Eurovision with 0 points.

  166. Hockey Project says:

    Why is it that the team I’ve cheered for all these years can get barely anything right?
    How can they be SO wrong SO often?

    Why don’t they love me back?

  167. Richard Roma says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: How different is this roster from the one that went to the second round 2 years ago?

    Well. You had the best year as a starter from Talbot’s career. Statistically, he’s on the downslope of his career. That was huge.

    Next you had Eberle instead of Strome. Eberle’s a flawed player, but Strone’s offense is very limited..

    Then you had a two year’s younger Lucic. Lucic is at the precipice of his career.

    Sekera was a big factor as the #1 d. Now he’s injured and old.

    We got the last good year left in Russell before locking him in for a ridiculous four more years. Now he’s barely a bottom pairing dman.

    No Pitlick. No Slepyshev. No Hendricks. No Pouliot. No PP Testube shot.

    Rookies galore on the roster now.

    Draisatl despite contrary opinion might be more valuable on McDavid’s wing than do nothing on the second line.

    Nuge might be better served by running a shut down line.

  168. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: That last pass he made on the empty netter only happens to a player who treats the puck like a grenade.

    Disagree, Jimmy.

    This is a game theory thing.

    Here’s what we know:

    There’s 40 seconds left in the game.

    McDavid is at centre with a potential 1-on-1 rush in front of him if he gets the puck.

    Is there any higher chance way to tie the game than a rush goal by 97 in the next 10 seconds?

    I think that, even if it’s a 70% chance Patrice Bergeron steals the puck, the chance that you score even one goal without making that play is less than 30%.

    Not only do you need to score in the 40 seconds, but as quickly as possible to have time for a second goal as well.

    It’s just the highest percentage play, despite being a low percentage play.

    The execution, however, was awful. You need to wind on that pass, enough so that even if 37 gets a touch of it, it’s not clean possession. The flip side of that is, if it bounces off 97’s stick he can probably recover it.

    Overall, I think it’s a mix of personnel and coaching but there’s maybe four players above age 21 on this team that make actual plays with the puck on their stick. It makes it so hard on those five, it being this way.

  169. Richard Roma says:

    Bling: And deployment. And strategy.

    There are a lot of teams that are electing to sit highly priced veterans. Just off the top of my head, Shattenkirk in NY and Alzner in Montreal.

    You tell me why Lucic, who was sub-sub-replacement level for half a season last year, mediocre (or worse) in training camp, and awful 5v5 now for two regular season games, deserves to be in the top 6 or on the first unit PP, where there are 5 LH shots. He hasn’t been healthy scratched once during this time. It’s completely unacceptable.

    Why did the Oilers carry the puck into the offensive zone half as much as the Devils did? The league is becoming more possession driven, and Todd is asking for more dump-ins. Why would you do that when you have guys who can actually carry the puck?

    There are two young forwards, in Yamamoto and Puljujarvi, who look completely lost out there. One of them is playing with Lucic, and the other is looking up at Drake Caggiula’s ice-time, the only forward last year who could suppress the offence of the world’s best player. I haven’t seen a top 4 pick brought along the way JP has.

    No one is saying this team should be a cup contender. But there is no reason to not ice your best lineup, to put talented young players (whose performance this organization’s future relies upon) in positions to succeed, and to incorporate philosophies that smart teams are using to win games.

    A lot of us just want this team to do things that make sense, but apparently even that is beyond the scope of reasonable.

    1. Lucic wants out. The Oilers want to move him, they think they can polish a turd. They can’t.

    2. I don’t know who can carry the puck into the offensive zone other than McDavid or Nurse.

    3. I don’t know exactly what it is, but I’m convinced that JP isn’t executing something in Mclellan’s system which is why he has sideburns.

  170. GMB3 says:

    hunter1909: Why do you think he found himself in that position?

    Because calling him a mediocre GM would be a stretch

  171. Wilde says:

    Richard Roma: 2. I don’t know who can carry the puck into the offensive zone other than McDavid or Nurse.

    The reason for this isn’t because they’re the only ones with the ability.

    (also Draisaitl carried the puck in a lot last year)

  172. VOR says:

    The Oilers are waiting for the straw that stirs the drink.

    The history of hockey offers us several examples of teams with generational talents that went nowhere until they incubated the player who set the tempo, who gave the team a unique identity.

  173. Richard S.S. says:

    VOR,

    Bouchard might. I have serious doubts about anyone else on the current roster.

  174. hunter1909 says:

    VOR:
    The Oilers are waiting for the straw that stirs the drink.

    The history of hockey offers us several examples of teams with generational talents that went nowhere until they incubated the player who set the tempo, who gave the team a unique identity.

    I’m confident the Oilers will smash this theory to atoms. They’re already halfway there. McDavid’s going to be a .250 playoff performer this season, then .200 next year after that etc.

  175. Pescador says:

    JimmyV1965: I agree with this. There could be a good player buried in Benning. That last pass he made on the empty netter only happens to a player who treats the puck like a grenade. He was totally focussed on getting rid of the puck as soon as he could. I think a coaching change would benefit him big time.

    He just received a coaching change, Trent Yawney.
    Not sure how a new head coach would help his game.
    I’m sure deployment on the 3rd pairing would help a ton.
    Problem as always, there is no better option

  176. hunter1909 says:

    VOR:
    The Oilers are waiting for the straw that stirs the drink.

    The history of hockey offers us several examples of teams with generational talents that went nowhere until they incubated the player who set the tempo, who gave the team a unique identity.

    ha ha sorry to post comment twice but…

    They had Taylor Hall, Eberle playing decently, Yakupov wasn’t yet totally busted, the Oilers had a bunch of 1st round picks from previous trades…

    Now we hear them whine about their lack of wingers. Presumably the fans fault, as ever with Katz’s Cabaret/Clown show.

  177. Pescador says:

    Wilde: The reason for this isn’t because they’re the only ones with the ability.

    (also Draisaitl carried the puck in a lot last year)

    If we are ranking the issues with this team today,
    O zone entries are secondary to the current controlled D zone exits,
    Oilers rank 32nd in a 31 team league.

  178. hunter1909 says:

    We’re going to need a bigger boat.

  179. godot10 says:

    Richard Roma: You can have your pound of flesh by firing Mclellan, but it won’t materially fix the problem.

    It’s the roster.

    Colorado’s roster is no better. Bednar has them competitive and steadily improving. Ditto Arizona, Vancouver.

    Krueger and Nelson had much worse rosters and produced as well as McLellan is with this one.

  180. godot10 says:

    The Oilers have a couple of veteran assistants who have been assistants for multiple coaches, and head coaches themselves.

    Given that,
    MacT would be the logical choice for interim head coach.

    I think he would be an improvement over McLellan.

  181. russ99 says:

    H
    godot10,

    MacT shouldn’t be anywhere near this team. I want no part of the old boys sweeping in with a regime change and trying to relive the 80s, and the exciting last place hockey that goes with it.

    Given we’ve seen Gulutzan in Calgary, my vote would be for Vivieros.

    Young up and coming coach with new ideas and two knowledable assistants.

  182. russ99 says:

    Pescador,

    Keep banging that drum. Do we really think the opposition is going to part like the Red Sea and allow stretch passes to spring the rush?

    The void of NHL talent on the wings that can make a smart tough play is responsible for both.

  183. LMHF#1 says:

    jtblack:
    Cagguila is the exact reason Analytics matters.

    I agree, he looked great to the eye test. Busy busy busy.Effective? Not so much. As usual

    Don’t rely on someone who thinks ‘busy’ matters by eye…they don’t know hockey.

  184. who says:

    LMHF#1: Don’t rely on someone who thinks ‘busy’ matters by eye…they don’t know hockey.

    Don’t rely on someone who makes all decisions based on analytics. They don’t know hockey.

  185. VOR says:

    who: Don’t rely on someone who makes all decisions based on analytics. They don’t know hockey.

    God knows I have major issues with the hockey analytics community but it is a valid and enriching way to know hockey. So is detailed observation. The problem is that eye test and analytics have become two solitudes.

    Neither of you seem to have considered Todd was coaching when he praised Caggs. Team plays tentatively and without energy, praise the guy who worked hard regardless of the fact you know he got bad outcomes. As a coach you are always picking your fights. The Oilers are going to be road kill if they don’t start playing with more energy, effort, and commitment.

    You can work with Caggs on what he did wrong. He may even figure it out. It is much harder to get players to look inside themselves and realize they just aren’t giving every thing they have to give.

    This is where analytics and coaching could come together to be a potent teaching tool. A shame that for the Oilers analytics and eye test are seen as polar opposites. But hey that is true of the Oilers fan base as well.

  186. LMHF#1 says:

    who: Don’t rely on someone who makes all decisions based on analytics. They don’t know hockey.

    Of course…you’d never catch me saying otherwise…

  187. LMHF#1 says:

    VOR: God knows I have major issues with the hockey analytics community but it is a valid and enriching way to know hockey. So is detailed observation. The problem is that eye test and analytics have become two solitudes.

    This is where analytics and coaching could come together to be a potent teaching tool. A shame that for the Oilers analytics and eye test are seen as polar opposites. But hey that is true of the Oilers fan base as well.

    This is indeed a fundamental issue.

    I think Who may have missed my point though…there are good eye-testers (rare) and bad eye-testers (many). Anyone who thinks ‘busy’ counts if you’re going to eyeball a game should be dismissed out of hand…it doesn’t. That person would have HATED a young Jaromir Jagr…

    The ideal is of course to take it ALL in – thoughtful mind, careful observation with knowledge, and review. This happens so seldom and it is rather unfortunate.

  188. Bobcaygeon says:

    Only a couple games in, I don’t think you can blame Talbot for much of that Boston game.

    Draisaitl is a slow starter much like Hall was, I’d give him 20+ games and see where he is, to be honest Lucic does look a bit quicker out there.

    Chiarelli gambled with the defence again and to me that’s the down fall, it looks woeful, players playing out of position, players playing to high in the order and players playing because there’s no alternative.

    It’s the kid of defence that leaves the forwards playing defence instead of offence.

    Time will tell

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