Game Three 2018-19: Oilers at Rangers

They’re just kids when they arrive, some of them can’t grow a beard for love nor money for several years. Fans give them names you would associate with kids (Baby Nuge) and trudge through the land of ice and snow to cheer for them. These young men matter in this city, grown men and women fret over each of the entry seasons. By the final year of the first contract, you should get an idea about what kind of player the team drafted, where he fits on the depth chart. For Jesse, we are here.

The Edmonton Oilers need a win in Manhattan today, and have a good chance to do it if the team can stay out of the penalty box. The 2016-17 formula (McDavid outscores 5-on-5, Talbot stops pucks) went 2-4 against NJD and Boston, the downbeat in competition today should be enough for the road team to win while skating on the most expensive real estate on planet earth. All is cost was 60 guilders.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Panic storm on the horizon as Oilers remain a one-man show
  • New Justin Bourne: How hockey has changed for the better and allowed its young stars to shine.
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson’s early season performance in the SHL.
  • Lowetide: Practice lines in Boston, anger in Edmonton and Kailer Yamamoto remains on the No. 2 line.
  • Jonathan Willis: At 34, is Kyle Brodziak just too old to help the Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Todd McLellan’s name keeps showing up on those ‘first coach fired in 2018-19’ lists
  • James Mirtle: Sizing up the NHL 2018-19 by age, height and age (Oilers content)
  • Black Dog: Edmonton’s future is bright, but there are all kinds of questions in the present.
  • Lowetide: Evan Bouchard survives first game.
  • Lowetide: Ryan McLeod takes demotion in stride, while a Condo of Condors impress on opening weekend.
  • Jonathan Willis: On AHL opening night, Caleb Jones and friends make it clear they want NHL jobs.
  • Lowetide: Orange, white and blue October: In 1979, the Oilers rocked the NHL.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After the death of his father, Sweden trip holds special significance for Adam Larsson, and one of his opponents.
  • Scott Wheeler: How the eye test fails to properly evaluate Evan Bouchard.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Why the Nuge-McDavid-Rattie line has been so successful.
  • Lowetide: The 2018-19 Oilers are in a period of transition.

JESSE, CHIA AND TMAC

General managers treat their own draft picks like the Hope Diamond. When a new general manager comes in, he normally takes very little time in dispatching the previous regime’s stuff and replacing them with a pile of his own pure stock. Sound crazy? Peter Chiarelli’s initial first-round pick was Zach Hamill, No. 8 overall in 2007. He was an overager, his production dipped in junior draft +1, he never got to 15 goals or 45 points in the AHL, but it took Chiarelli four pro seasons before he gave up on him. His second-round pick that year, Tommy Cross, outlasted Chiarelli in the organization while never actually threatening to become an everyday defenseman. PC did trade his first rounders, but not until he thought the Stanley was clearly in view (and then after). On the other hand, Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov are long gone.

Todd McLellan wants to win, no, check that, he has to win. So, when the general manager sends him a roster with one position that features 75 percent unproven players (right wing), two of whom are first-round picks by the GM, that’s going to cause some sleepless nights. Todd McLellan is here.

Jesse Puljujarvi has enormous potential but three years after his draft he remains in purgatory. The team didn’t handle him in the textbook (Rantanen) way. Now, with the final year of entry just starting, JP is running on empty after brimming with confidence not so very long ago. What do they do with these kids?

I still believe in this player, believe the organization does as well. I think we’re reaching a pressure point, with the breaking news beginning with the classic line “it’s nobody’s fault, but….” and to be honest there’s no way to know how this goes down. Seems like we’re at the part of the book where the author writes “little did he know” except, in this Oilers’ edition, we don’t know who “he” is. Yet.

COMPARABLES

Early days, but if he’s losing confidence (and he’s not getting time with 97 or 29) then we’re about to see a 2018-19 season that does not resemble the other names on this list. What would happen if McLellan stapled Puljujarvi to the Draisaitl line? Perhaps we’ll never know.

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 2015: 0-3-0, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in October 2016: 2-1-0, goal differential +1
  • Oilers in October 2017: 1-2-0, goal differential -1
  • Oilers in October 2018: 0-2-0, goal differential -6

A win today, especially a clean win, would put the Oilers on track with 2015 and 2017 October, with only the playoff season standing out. We don’t know how this game will go today, but the Oilers were good early in the first period and then settled down for the final 40 minutes of the game.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM OCTOBER

  • On the road to: Sweden to play NJD (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Boston, NYR, Winnipeg (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Washington (Expected 1-3-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Chicago (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 3-6-2, 8 points in 11 games 
  • Current results: 0-2-0, 0 points after two games

Get the first goal, stay the hell out of the penalty box, aggressively forecheck and make those defensemen on the Rangers make decisions quickly. I’m not one for hyperbole (that’s a lie) but this is a massive game for the coach. I expect the Oilers to come out flying.

OH, THAT’S INTERESTING

  • Elliotte Friedman on the current state of the Oilers: “I just think the heat internally in that organization. I was just told this morning it’s a really tense place.” Source

This season should be about winning 45 games, pushing for the top of the division, and hammering old people in Anaheim and Los Angeles. Even with the department of youth, Edmonton has the best player in the game, a couple of 20-goal scorers and three defensemen who can do things to help them win. Cam Talbot can stop pucks and is doing so at even strength this season (.923 save percentage, No. 9 among goalies with 50+ saves so far this season). The heat is on. A win today eases the pressure, if only ’til Tuesday.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    N64: ~ If teams play their backups against the Oil, that eliminates easy wins, no? ~

    No.

  2. Professor Q says:

    I just saw the Puljujärvi and Strome play. This could be the building of something great. I really see it building in Jesse, and can’t wait until it matures and comes to fruition.

    With that said, I definitely wouldn’t trade him for Pesce. Not a chance.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: Also I would go the other way.The guys that are starters under 26 tend to be elite.The Vasilevskyis, the Gibson’s the guys that chase competition away at a young age.Because while you said the over 35 are elite but then you said except for two.So that’s only 60%

    Gibson >>>> Vasilevsskiy

    Gibson is elite.

    Vasil might not even be average.

  4. Bank Shot says:

    jm363561:
    I never thought the 2016.17 team was as good as its regular season stats. It ground out wins through great goal tending, bend but don’t break D, and taking its chances (usually McD magic). Tonight looked a bit like that. For all the heat he takes here Kris Russell rarely lets the team down, even when playing his off side. He did well tonight (22.35).

    Yeah. Even if a guy has bad corsis there is value in not handing the other team easy goals.

  5. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Gibson >>>> Vasilevsskiy

    Gibson is elite.

    Vasil might not even be average.

    as WG would say … Proof?

  6. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Brett Pesce played 1RD with Slavin over the past two years. He’s playing 3rd pair for his new coach with Hamilton and Faulk playing 1/2 RD. He turns 24 in Nov. And has 6 yrs x 4.025 contract.

    Do you trade Puljujarvi for him?

    I have a twitter poll on this: https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1051206939269509120?s=19

    Yes, I doubt Carolina does that deal though. They are pumping Faulk for a trade.

  7. treevojo says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I have been sipping on some writers tears today.

    $52 at NSLC.

    I have enjoyed it.

    Not as much as some of the scotch I have tried.

    I think I will try the redbreast 12 once this bottle is gone.

  8. treevojo says:

    Also did anybody else put a bet on the oilers and penguins today?

    $20 bet was paying $84 if they win in regulation if you hit it before Price got sick.

    Let’s go pens.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rodrigue pulled after giving up 3 goals on 5 shots – ouch.

  10. jtblack says:

    Remember the time MTL had no Centre, so they forced an 18 yr old into the Lineup as 2C ….

    How’s that working out?

  11. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Gibson >>>> Vasilevsskiy

    Gibson is elite.

    Vasil might not even be average.

    So Faulk and Brodie are 3rd pairing D and Vasi is below average
    I think Woodmoney could use some additional calibrating

  12. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: Yes,I doubt Carolina does that deal though.They are pumping Faulk for a trade.

    I think you are going to be very shocked when you see him on the roster next year

  13. Ryan says:

    godot10: Yes,I doubt Carolina does that deal though.They are pumping Faulk for a trade.

    For the past two prior seasons, Faulk was second in total Toi/60 to Slavin, but this season.., he’s second in toi/60 to Slavin.

    He’s also getting his 2:45 of PP too/game like the past three seasons.

    When was the last time a player was successfully showcased for a trade since Cory Conacher?

  14. geowal says:

    Does this mean we don’t get to panic anymore?

  15. T0ML says:

    Hell of a game today. Go oilers. Good effort

    Side question. What’s Miroslav Svobodas status in the organization ? I’m at the Orlando Solar Bears game and he is in net for Atlanta, does this mean he has come stateside?

  16. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I thought he was the best Oiler D in the ozone.

    77 and 6 hammered the puck wide while 25 dished out his usually chest muffins while 4 created low chances near the net when he had the puck

    What’s wrong with chest muffins?

  17. Buddy says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    Also, I realize that being an Oiler fan is and has never been about choice. I was born into this and cannot let go of it. Asking me to no longer be a fan or to abandon my desire to see the city light up with Oiler-fever is like asking me to separate an arm or a leg. I will not let go. I will also not stop bitching about the current situation.

    Pretty much sums it up. You’re not free to choose your team, like it or not it chooses you.

    This team reminds me a lot of watching the 1979-80 season. McDavid is magic, then you have to sit impatiently through a few minutes of whatever waiting for him to take another shift.

    If I can just remember that, and not worry about what happens when he’s not on the ice, I won’t need to drink as much to get through this season.

  18. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks: What’s wrong with chest muffins?

    This is why Nurse is goal-less in his last 40 Games.

  19. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks: What’s wrong with chest muffins?

    and yes, Nothing wrong with Chest Muffins !

  20. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Rodrigue pulled after giving up 3 goals on 5 shots – ouch.

    Remember Goalies can be witches. Next game he may be Merlin

  21. GMB3 says:

    T0ML:
    Hell of a game today. Go oilers. Good effort

    Side question.What’s Miroslav Svobodas status in the organization ? I’m at the Orlando Solar Bears game and he is in net for Atlanta, does this mean he has come stateside?

    Signed with Nashville in April

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    Beating Winnipeg on the road to go 2-2 on a real tough road trip to start the year is going to be awesome.

    That will be a solid start to the year.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    T0ML: Miroslav Svobodas

    We never signed Svoboda and he signed with Nashville as a UFA – 2 year deal.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168: Remember Goalies can be witches. Next game he may be Merlin

    I’m not concerned about this future based on a few rocky starts early.

    He is very raw – he’s back in junior next year.

    My only concern is if he plays himself out of contention for the World Junior team.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think Rasanen must be banged up – he didn’t play last game for Boston College and he doesn’t seem to be in tonight either.

  26. Richard S.S. says:

    People should spend more time reading and listening to Lowetide. Oilers won the Game he said they would and lost the two he said they would, despite that Bettman point nonsense.

  27. flyfish1168 says:

    Elias Pettersson 8 points, 6 points on the road in his 5 NHL game. Must be leading Calder candidate

  28. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Rangers beat the Sharks the other day.

    I will never discount a win b/c the opposition isn’t a top team – any team can beat any team on any night in this league.There are no easy wins, no gimmes.

    In theory, yes this is true. But we shouldn’t pretend like every team has the same odds of beating every other team.

  29. hunter1909 says:

    From what I saw today the Rangers play that soft gentlemanly game they always try to play.

    OriginalPouzar:
    Beating Winnipeg on the road to go 2-2 on a real tough road trip to start the year is going to be awesome.

    That will be a solid start to the year.

    Out comes the carrot.

  30. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    2 Most Common Linemates:

    Nylander Draft + 3 – Matthews, Hynman

    Pasternak Draft + 3 – Marchand, Bergeron

    Ratanen Draft +3 – McKinnon, Landeskog

    Puljujarvi Draft +3 – Strome, Khaira

    One of these things is not like the other.

    One of these things just doesn’t belong.

    Yup. I would like to see, for even 1 period Yammer-Drai-Jesse.

    Skill needs to play with skill FULL STOP. Playing a young high draft pick on the third and fourth line, gee haven’t we all seen how that works….

    You’d think something should give with absolutely ZERO secondary scoring on this team. Bloody Hell.

  31. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Beating Winnipeg on the road to go 2-2 on a real tough road trip to start the year is going to be awesome.

    That will be a solid start to the year.

    OP – optomisticaly positive! Thank you!

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    McPhee with a late 2nd period goal for Boston College.

    Samorukov with an assist – Guelph loses 6-3.

    Maksimov currently pointless with 7 left in the third, Niagara down one.

  33. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    2 Most Common Linemates:

    Nylander Draft + 3 – Matthews, Hynman

    Pasternak Draft + 3 – Marchand, Bergeron

    Ratanen Draft +3 – McKinnon, Landeskog

    Puljujarvi Draft +3 – Strome, Khaira

    One of these things is not like the other.

    One of these things just doesn’t belong.

    Yup. I would like to see, for even 1 period Yammer-Drai-Jesse.

    Skill needs to play with skill FULL STOP. Playing a young high draft pick on the third and fourth line, gee haven’t we all seen how that works….

    You’d think something should give with absolutely ZERO secondary scoring on this team. Bloody Hell.

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Luke Fox floated the idea of (amongst others) William Nylander for Darnell Nurse. Not sure you could salvage this season without Nurse but another year of seasoning Bear and Bouchard with this forward group could be good:

    Khaira McDavid Nylander
    RNH Draisatl Yamamoto
    Rieder (McLeaod?) Strome Pululjarvi
    Lucic X Y

    Need to bite the bullet and drop Lucic way down. Look at that top 6. Speed in all all the right places.

    Not sure how this team affords Nylander after this season or when Sekera is off LTIR if he’s back this season.

    As I watch a lackidaisical Draisaitl, I wonder if the best move is to trade him for multiple young assets….

  34. Bos8 says:

    And just like that – Maksimov

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168:
    Elias Pettersson 8 points,6 points on the road in his 5 NHL game. Must be leading Calder candidate

    He took a hit from Matheson and left the game….

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: In theory, yes this is true. But we shouldn’t pretend like every team has the same odds of beating every other team.

    Sure but I’m not going to put less in to this win because its only the Rangers – they have a Hall of Fame goalie who is playing at the top of his game and just beat one of the SC favorites.

    If we win – “its just the Rangers”

    If we lose “we lost to the fucking rangers”

    I am not willing to have that mindset and look for the negative in everything.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8:
    And just like that – Maksimov

    Ties up the game with a couple minutes left.

  38. godot10 says:

    Bos8:
    And just like that – Maksimov

    But he is in McLellan’s doghouse already.

  39. Lowetide says:

    jtblack: and yes, Nothing wrong with Chest Muffins !

    The Who, Squeeze Box. My GOD my Dad hated that song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXoxH8HI7z8

  40. hunter1909 says:

    Refusing to put Lucic on a potentially excellent third line goes beyond the limits of my stupidity.

    Lucic never was much more than a glorified third rounder with the Bruins and he’s certainly one now, where, if he was put can provide the team with an excellent player.

    Of course Oilers prefer to play everyone out of position. And MacT as returning head coach? Well, at least that’s something that beats Kanye in the White House.

  41. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ties up the game with a couple minutes left.

    Don’t wanna mess with your mojo

  42. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: The Who, Squeeze Box. My GOD my Dad hated that song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXoxH8HI7z8

    Well, it is far from their best.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    €√¥£€^$: Yup.I would like to see, for even 1 period Yammer-Drai-Jesse.

    Skill needs to play with skill FULL STOP.Playing a young high draft pick on the third and fourth line, gee haven’t we all seen how that works….

    You’d think something should give with absolutely ZERO secondary scoring on this team.Bloody Hell.

    Not sure how this team affords Nylander after this season or when Sekera is off LTIR if he’s back this season.

    As I watch a lackidaisical Draisaitl, I wonder if the best move is to trade him for multiple young assets….

    The same Drai that is on pace for 82 games this year and, judging by what I read on here, playing with a LW that craters everything every time he is on the ice?

    I don’t care that McDavid was on the ice for all goals. Drai has been full value for his points.

    Can Drai play better? Of course, and it will come.

    He’s always been a slow starter.

  44. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: The Who, Squeeze Box. My GOD my Dad hated that song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXoxH8HI7z8

    Your father had limits for what level of music he was prepared to tolerate. You probably inherited his talent, which is why you’re into music so much.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8: Don’t wanna mess with your mojo

    Never worry about that – feel free to update.

  46. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Can Drai play better? Of course, and it will come.
    He’s always been a slow starter.

    Drai prefers to play with talent. He knew how to pass the puck to Yakupov, for f@@ks sake. Lucic for all his goodness doesn’t play like a player with talent.

    More Oilers destroying their teams with players like Lucic playing wildly out of position, for politics ffs.

  47. Rich M says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Beating Winnipeg on the road to go 2-2 on a real tough road trip to start the year is going to be awesome.

    That will be a solid start to the year.

    Is that a promise or a threat?

  48. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure but I’m not going to put less in to this win because its only the Rangers – they have a Hall of Fame goalie who is playing at the top of his game and just beat one of the SC favorites.

    If we win – “its just the Rangers”

    If we lose “we lost to the fucking rangers”

    I am not willing to have that mindset and look for the negative in everything.

    Yeah I was mostly addressing the idea that every team can be every team in general, not wrt just the Oilers.

  49. hunter1909 says:

    Hypothetical Oilers GM Hunter1909 to Lucic:

    “You came as a UFA. If you want to leave and we can’t trade you, we’re going to waive you, and unless you waive your NM clause…”

    At this point hypothetical Oilers GM Hunter1909 realises that he, like all Oilers management live under a shadowy hand:

    “Nevermind Milan, we’re keeping you on the 1st pp until Christmas guaranteed. And 2nd line guaranteed unless we’re upgrading you for McDavid’s line. What time do you want your car washed?”

  50. Bos8 says:

    godot10: But he is in McLellan’s doghouse already.

    Oh, them Rushins.

    Turf his ass quick

    But, but – 6’3 RH sniper. Go with McLeod?

    Nein!

  51. jtblack says:

    In other news, Dallas out shot Anaheim 30 – 4 in the 2nd period.

    maybe a record?

  52. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar: He took a hit from Matheson and left the game….

    Sounds like the canucks can you Lucic

  53. flyfish1168 says:

    Does anyone know if there are any phlegm blogs out there? outside of PhlegmNation

  54. Lowetide says:

    flyfish1168:
    Does anyone know if there are any phlegm blogs out there? outside of PhlegmNation

    Kent Wilson writes for The Athletic, Matchsticks and Gasoline, and Todd Cordell is a fabulous writer for the Hockeybuzz

  55. SK Oiler Fan says:

    hunter1909: Drai prefers to play with talent. He knew how to pass the puck to Yakupov, for f@@ks sake. Lucic for all his goodness doesn’t play like a player with talent.

    More Oilers destroying their teams with players like Lucic playing wildly out of position, for politics ffs.

    I think it’s hard for us as fans to understand the combination player contract, player reputation, and GM reputation affects where in the lineup a player plays and who a player plays with regardless of on ice results and visual observation. Everyone paying attention knows he’s a 3rd line player at this point, but Mclelland’ s already precarious situation really gets dicey if the GMs big signiing is on the 3rd line. Remember the initial plan was for him to be playing with Mcdavid!

  56. OmJo says:

    hunter1909:
    Hypothetical Oilers GM Hunter1909 to Lucic:

    “You came as a UFA. If you want to leave and we can’t trade you, we’re going to waive you, and unless you waive your NM clause…”

    At this point hypothetical Oilers GM Hunter1909 realises that he, like all Oilers management live under a shadowy hand:

    “Nevermind Milan, we’re keeping you on the 1st pp until Christmas guaranteed. And 2nd line guaranteed unless we’re upgrading you for McDavid’s line. What time do you want your car washed?”

    We can’t even waive Lucic because of that NMC lol.

    We’re stuck with him for the foreseeable future.

  57. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Kent Wilson writes for The Athletic, Matchsticks and Gasoline, and Todd Cordell is a fabulous writer for the Hockeybuzz

    Thanks, LT. Might have to pay a visit.

  58. GMB3 says:

    Ironic that there are people who still deny the importance of analytics on this blog. It’s like listening to John Smoltz go on and on about launch angle swings. Dinosaurs do exist I guess

  59. Pandaup says:

    Bling,

    The Van power play with Sedins, Bertuzzi and Naslund never scored on a one timer. Dudes moved the puck so well they passed it into the net. OV set up is the toast de jour. Doesn’t make it the only way. Seems the collective wants creativity mostly so they can criticize creativity. Or, we could give assignment of condemnation a bit of time.

    On the other hand, free Jesse.

  60. Melvis says:

    So the Oilers are coming home before setting off for the Peg. It’s not about sleeping in your own bed – which is good. It’s about running out of clean underwear – which is bad.

    You need your morning skivvies, your practise skivvies, the game underarmour, and the evening wear. Therefore, 14 days on the road = 48 pairs of underwear. So it’s that, or a personal shopper, or a couple of full time laundry dudes keeping track. Hell of a job.

    Now of course, you can take your chances with the hotel services. I sent out 24 pairs once after a couple of weeks on the road. They came back nicely pressed – and starched. I’m not keen on starched underwear. That’s if you have two days off. If you only have one day off, forget about it.

    One day off and it’s get off the plane and “drop me off at Sears for a couple of minutes on the way to the barn. I need Levi’s, socks and underwear.”

    Then at some point, you have to buy an extra suitcase and courier all your laundry home. Fuckin’ underwear. It’s a distraction.

  61. Bos8 says:

    After one, the Buzzards up 1-0. PP Hebig (Marody, Benson). BC dominated.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909:
    Hypothetical Oilers GM Hunter1909 to Lucic:

    “You came as a UFA. If you want to leave and we can’t trade you, we’re going to waive you, and unless you waive your NM clause…”

    NMC means we cannot waive him without his agreement.

  63. Pandaup says:

    €√¥£€^$: Yup.I would like to see, for even 1 period Yammer-Drai-Jesse.

    Skill needs to play with skill FULL STOP.Playing a young high draft pick on the third and fourth line, gee haven’t we all seen how that works….

    You’d think something should give with absolutely ZERO secondary scoring on this team.Bloody Hell.

    Yep. We need a “kid line”. Just need a d pair to back them up. If Nurse McD is real? 6-77 Kid line is worth a thought.

  64. GMB3 says:

    Bos8: Oh, them Rushins.

    Turf his ass quick

    But, but – 6’3 RHsniper.Go with McLeod?

    Nein!

    I thought Maksimov was left handed, just played right wing?

    Would be a classic TMac decision to move him from his off wing

  65. who says:

    GMB3:
    Ironic that there are people who still deny the importance of analytics on this blog. It’s like listening to John Smoltz go on and on about launch angle swings. Dinosaurs do exist I guess

    Well…….. The counter arguement is the Lucic signing. Wasn’t his signing largely based on his strong analytics?
    Seems to me all I heard from the Lucic believers was what a possession monster he was and how the Oilers would be able to cycle the puck endlessly when he was on the ice.
    How’s that working out?
    My eyes told me he was a bad hockey player after 10 games here. I couldn’t give a flying f… what the analytics said.

  66. GMB3 says:

    Bos8:
    After one, the Buzzards up 1-0.PPHebig (Marody, Benson). BC dominated.

    Hebig from Marody and Benson…. actual prospects are prospecting? maybe Jay Woodcroft is the answer (lol)

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8: Oh, them Rushins.

    Turf his ass quick

    But, but – 6’3 RHsniper.Go with McLeod?

    Nein!

    Is he even Russian?

    There are competing reports about him being born in Ontario or in Russia.

    Either way, he’s never really played hockey in Russia – played Bantam AAA and Midget AAA in Toronto.

    I’m somewhat convinced that kept him off the Russian World Junior team last year but I can’t imagine they bypass him against this year – he’ll be a top player.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m quite certain the team employs people that can help with laundry duty on road trips.

  69. Ben says:

    Brian Burke:

    “This domestic violence appeal was completely awful.”

    Brian Burke 10 seconds later:

    “Bobby Clarke would kick his grandmother down the stairs to win a playoff series!”

    Hockey gonna hockey…

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8:
    After one, the Buzzards up 1-0.PPHebig (Marody, Benson). BC dominated.

    h

    Thanks – my wife just got back from 4 nights out of town on work so I had to put in an hour of husband time. Will watch the 2nd period before I hit the sack (3am comes early).

    How did Bear and Jones look?

    Lagesson? (although he’s not generally noticeable, just does his job)

  71. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: He took a hit from Matheson and left the game….

    That is not a hit. That is assault Until the NHL starts suspending players for a year, I will cheer for the millions they will lose for keeping the gladiator sport in the game and not protecting their players

  72. Pandaup says:

    Melvis,

    It’s pro sports. Nobody playing is worried about underwear. They have people for that.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Hebig from Marody and Benson…. actual prospects are prospecting? maybe Jay Woodcroft is the answer (lol)

    I don’t put Hebig in the same category with the other two – great year this past year in the WHL but he was an over-ager and one of the oldest players in the WHL.

    Should be a solid Condor but will need quite a bit of development to give himself a chance.

  74. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Is he even Russian?

    There are competing reports about him being born in Ontario or in Russia.

    Either way, he’s never really played hockey in Russia – played Bantam AAA and Midget AAA in Toronto.

    I’m somewhat convinced that kept him off the Russian World Junior team last year but I can’t imagine they bypass him against this year – he’ll be a top player.

    The poor Bastid is neither fish, fowl nor good red meat. Been a fan since last year in Penticton.

    Next year M&M boys.

  75. Melvis says:

    Yes, I’m quite certain. It’s material, after all.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    I should note that, from the PP I just saw and last game, Jones is on PP1 and Bear on PP2.

  77. Professor Q says:

    Damn the Leafs…

  78. GMB3 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Its funny hearing all the nitpicking of JPs game.Laine other than his shot is not a very good player.He just plays with much better players, they just let him focus on the one thing he is amazing at.Shooting the puck.Yet on this team with no shooters we are not setting JP upto shoot the puck.

    Not a very good player? Scoring goals is probably the hardest thing to do in hockey and he is incredibly good at it, one of the very best in the NHL.

    Those darn analytical methods like goals and assists.

  79. Professor Q says:

    GMB3: I thought Maksimov was left handed, just played right wing?

    Would be a classic TMac decision to move him from his off wing

    Definitely is right-handed and is also a RHS. While listed as a RW, he does play on the left side as well it seems.

  80. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Thanks – my wife just got back from 4 nights out of town on work so I had to put in an hour of husband time.Will watch the 2nd period before I hit the sack (3am comes early).

    How did Bear and Jones look?

    Lagesson? (although he’s not generally noticeable, just does his job)

    The whole gang couldn’t shot straight. Countless misses from the slot. With two PPs Tucson had six shots. You’re right on Lagesson, just does his job.

    Pains me to say it but Woodcroft is looking good.

  81. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q: Definitely is right-handed. While listed as a RW, he does play on the left side as well it seems.

    What does WG’s phone say?

  82. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Is he even Russian?

    There are competing reports about him being born in Ontario or in Russia.

    Either way, he’s never really played hockey in Russia – played Bantam AAA and Midget AAA in Toronto.

    I’m somewhat convinced that kept him off the Russian World Junior team last year but I can’t imagine they bypass him against this year – he’ll be a top player.

    Born in Russia, came to Canada as a teenager. It’s been a fairly common and controversial practice in Ontario, especially in the GTHL.

  83. GMB3 says:

    Professor Q: Definitely is right-handed and is also a RHS. While listed as a RW, he does play on the left side as well it seems.

    Yeah, I had honestly just watched some of his highlights right before posting that too. /facepalm

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8: The whole gang couldn’t shot straight.Countless misses from the slot.With two PPs Tucson had six shots.You’re right on Lagesson, just does his job.

    Pains me to say it but Woodcroft is looking good.

    Are you sure he’s ridden enough buses?

  85. Melvis says:

    Pandaup,

    I was free ballin’. Which eluded you. And then there was this line, which also seemed to elude you.

    “or a couple of full time laundry dudes keeping track. Hell of a job.”

    Seeing as I’m totally ignorant of the travel logistics behind pro entertainment, thanks for the info.

  86. hunter1909 says:

    So far so good in that McD is providing 50% of the Oilers potential points so far.

    Next, vs the Jets, JP gets a hat trick.

  87. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Are you sure he’s ridden enough buses?

    Heh

    That’s a pretty small team but they‘re challenging all over the ice.

  88. HT Joe says:

    who: The counter arguement is the Lucic signing. Wasn’t his signing largely based on his strong analytics?

    Can you find some quotes to support this claim? Seriously… I’d love to see this if it’s true.

    I remember some people trying to justify the signing after the fact by referencing relatively strong possession numbers, but there was a lot of general concern about his age, and the potential for performance drop off. I remain under the impression that Lucic was signed primarily due to his physicality, which the team legitimately was lacking at the time – having a prior relationship with Chia certainly would have helped too. His boxcars were okay at the time of signing, and a lot of people felt that his boxcars would rise substantially when playing with McDavid.

    However, to imply that the Lucic signing is a black eye for analytics doesn’t really smell right to me. I seem to remember many people’s optimism limited to “the contract should be okay for 1-3 years and then get progressively worse afterwards”. Many strong believers of analytics, however, were very unhappy with the concept of replacing Hall’s minutes with Lucic’s minutes (and they would appear to be proven correct so far).

  89. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t put Hebig in the same category with the other two – great year this past year in the WHL but he was an over-ager and one of the oldest players in the WHL.

    Should be a solid Condor but will need quite a bit of development to give himself a chance.

    Hebig falls under the beggars can’t be choosers umbrella
    Try it from another angle Captain Positive:
    20 yr old undrafted Oiler signing enjoying early success in the AHL!

  90. GMB3 says:

    HT Joe,

    Lucic’s contract was ridiculed by most of the analytics heavy posters here. It was the eye test crowd that was exited for moar biggar

  91. who says:

    HT Joe: Can you find some quotes to support this claim?Seriously… I’d love to see this if it’s true.

    I remember some people trying to justify the signing after the fact by referencing relatively strong possession numbers, but there was a lot of general concern about his age, and the potential for performance drop off.I remain under the impression that Lucic was signed primarily due to his physicality, which the team legitimately was lacking at the time – having a prior relationship with Chia certainly would have helped too.His boxcars were okay at the time of signing, and a lot of people felt that his boxcars would rise substantially when playing with McDavid.

    However, to imply that the Lucic signing is a black eye for analytics doesn’t really smell right to me.I seem to remember many people’s optimism limited to “the contract should be okay for 1-3 years and then get progressively worse afterwards”.Many strong believers of analytics, however, were very unhappy with the concept of replacing Hall’s minutes with Lucic’s minutes (and they would appear to be proven correct so far).

    You are right. Most people on this blog didn’t like the contract, specifically the length of it.
    But I remember some of these same people saying they would happy to pay him 6 million for 3 or 4 years because they felt he would be an effective player for that long. Turns out he wasn’t worth 6 million for 1 year.
    And his possession numbers were definitely used to demonstrate how effective he was.
    Personally I don’t think Lucic has changed much from the player he was 6 or 8 years ago. But the game has changed and that is a good thing.
    I love watching all these small, shifty, skilled players in the game today. Beats the hell of watching a bunch of hulks plodding up and down the ice.
    I want to watch the guys who can do the stuff I could never do.

  92. leadfarmer says:

    GMB3:
    HT Joe,

    Lucic’s contract was ridiculed by most of the analytics heavy posters here. It was the eye test crowd that was exited for moar biggar

    Nope, this eye test crowd was screaming this is not the Lucic type player you are looking for

  93. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If you use Fezzik in the right role you have a heavy duty weapon no one else has.

    If you aren’t capable of, or free to do that, you have a very expensive side of beef exactly in your way.

  94. HT Joe says:

    GMB3:
    HT Joe,

    Lucic’s contract was ridiculed by most of the analytics heavy posters here. It was the eye test crowd that was exited for moar biggar

    Yes

  95. Bos8 says:

    Final score Tucson 2-1. BC got called on 7 to 3 penalties again. Condors dominated in flurries but couldn’t shoot straight. Still early in the season so any trends premature. The camerawork is bad. One camera center ice.

    Overall – God I hate chip and chase.

  96. GMB3 says:

    Bos8:
    Final score Tucson 2-1.BC got called on 7 to 3 penalties again.Condors dominated in flurries but couldn’t shoot straight.Still early in the season so any trends premature.The camerawork is bad.One camera center ice.

    Overall – God I hate chip and chase.

    Lots of chip and chase from Bakersfield?

    How did Marody and Benson look? and Jones and Bear? if you don’t mind me asking

  97. kgo says:

    GMB3:
    HT Joe,

    Lucic’s contract was ridiculed by most of the analytics heavy posters here. It was the eye test crowd that was exited for moar biggar

    I’m primarily an eye test guy who was mostly pleased with the Lucic signing ( I figured we’d get 4/5 good years out of him, and would be able to jettison him right as his NMC expired…

    Now, based on my eyes, I think Lucic needs to be deployed the way Steve Macintyre was….4th line minutes at best, and only against heavy teams….press box against fast skilled opponents…If he regains his confidence and effectiveness then sure, bump up his minutes.

    At this point his contract could park the Titanic atop the Marianas Trench.

  98. Bos8 says:

    GMB3: Lots of chip and chase from Bakersfield?

    How did Marody and Benson look? and Jones and Bear? if you don’t mind me asking

    The problem for me is that I still don’t recognize who is who’due to long range camera. Can’t see the close plays. Marody, Benson and Hebig are small, probably six foot on skates, quick not fast. They’re still shaking hands, no cohesion. Jones and Bear didn’t stand out in their strengths. The many penalties made for choppy hockey, no flow

    Tucson PPs were a non factor but 7 PKs do disrupt the defending team.

    Still a newby team. A lot of effort, minimal results.

  99. Ribs says:

    I feel like there should be a reminder that there are no guarantees with analytics. There shouldn’t be any
    “Gotcha!” moments after things roll out. They help you see trends and enhance your betting position, but there is never any guarantee.

    I think both the numbers people and the eyes people thought we’d get more out of Lucic than we have got so far. There weren’t many predicting he would get nothing done with McDavid and be reduced to running people over for a living two years in.

    —-

    That said… Is there any chance in the world that a coaching change could get this guy going again? I’m on the fence about a coaching change at this point. I want to believe McLellan can get things done. I really do. His Sharks teams were great. The off season hires should have changed some of the obvious things, but it’s hard to see it right now.

    It was nice to see him go balls out today for a win. Does today’s coach go balls out every game these days? Should we be seeing 93-29-97 more often? Is it sustainable? McLellan appears to be a bit old school so he may be adverse to this strategy. Eakins was the complete opposite and failed miserably. What is the median? Does the team have the secondary players needed to post positive results? The team is so young that it must be incredibly difficult to find that balance. Do we give a pass for this? Passes are hard to come by these days.

    We know how quickly a season can be over. We learned the hard way over the past decade. We need to see some urgency from these guys. We need to see it now. It seems silly to say this three games into the season, but it is entirely necessary.

  100. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Dare to dream….

    Unfortunately I am half-hoping the team goes 1-12, and TMac is gone when they are 1-6, while Chia is gone at 1-12…and Viveros is given the HC reins and the team goes on an 8-game win streak… but the team will likely go 4-6/5-7 and stay close to .500 through Christmas and be competing for a wild card spot until trade deadline.

    When ultimately injuries catch up and this team with not much depth finishes with 80+ points…and while TMac is let go after the season, there are no changes at the top….. because injuries. At least it’s great draft year 🙂

    Disclaimer: So we CAN have nice things, but the people we entrust with the nice things seem to have a knack for turning diamonds into dogshit.

    SIGH…..Sorry for the negativity OP, but the coach has finally convinced me that Godot is right.

  101. Wilde says:

    jtblack: as WG would say … Proof?

    leadfarmer,

    There’s a strong difference in xGA and GA in Gibson’s goaltending (the good way) whereas Vasilevsky basically makes the exact saves that an average goaltender would based on shot type and location, excepting for a few stretches where he didn’t, the bad way.

    Tampa Bay is actually a really good checking team that doesn’t give up much at all. It’s not tremendously difficult to ‘tend for them, suspect if Gibson and Vasi switched places Tampa Bay’s by far the strongest team in the league.

    (I don’t usually jump in on these things, but I’m 99% sure this is what wg is referring to)

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lucic was a positive possession player last year, even without McDavid.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8: The problem for me is that I still don’t recognize who is who’due to long range camera.

    I have the same issue.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Dare to dream….

    Unfortunately I am half-hoping the team goes 1-12, and TMac is gone when they are 1-6, while Chia is gone at 1-12…and Viveros is given the HC reins and the team goes on an 8-game win streak… but the team will likely go 4-6/5-7 and stay close to .500 through Christmas and be competing for a wild card spot until trade deadline.

    When ultimately injuries catch up and this team with not much depth finishes with 80+ points…and while TMac is let go after the season, there are no changes at the top….. because injuries.At least it’s great draft year

    Disclaimer: So we CAN have nice things, but the people we entrust with the nice things seem to have a knack for turning diamonds into dogshit.

    SIGH…..Sorry for the negativity OP, but the coach has finally convinced me that Godot is right.

    To each their own but I am hoping for a nice win in Winnipeg.

    A 2-2 start against 3 top NHL teams (yes, I think the Devils are a top team this year) and an East coast afternoon game – all on the road – that would be a fine start to the year and we would see game over game over game over game improvement (I expect improvement if we do beat Winnipeg)

  105. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Is he even Russian?

    There are competing reports about him being born in Ontario or in Russia.

    Either way, he’s never really played hockey in Russia – played Bantam AAA and Midget AAA in Toronto.

    You saw his handling by the coach in training camp. He is clearly “Russian”.

  106. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: But he is in McLellan’s doghouse already.

    The Russian Factor.

  107. Wilde says:

    Bos8,

    They play an unambitious game, that’s my number one issue with both the NHL and AHL squads.

    Current top forwards in adj. points per game on http://fenwicka.com/shiny/draft_app/

    Kappo Kakko – 0.38

    Dillon Hamaliuk – 0.31

    Ryan Suzuki – 0.29

    Kirby Dach – 0.27

    Dylan Cozens/Peyton Krebs – 0.23

    Kappo Kakko showed up repeatedly in the group highest scoring Junior Liiga forward (when I was making a point about Puljujarvi) and he’s honestly looking like the best guy since Barkov.

    Also none of the
    USNDTP guys are in this database, that’s why Hughes and company are missing

  108. ArmchairGM says:

    Bos8: Oh, them Rushins.

    Turf his ass quick

    But, but – 6’3 RHsniper.Go with McLeod?

    Nein!

    Benson – McLeod – Maksimov could be dynamite together. I’m hoping we get to see it next year.

  109. Wilde says:

    For reference Andrei Svechnikov had 0.25.

  110. ArmchairGM says:

    GMB3: I thought Maksimov was left handed, just played right wing?

    Would be a classic TMac decision to move him from his off wing

    That’s Safin you’re thinking of – shoots left / plays rw. Maksimov is right / right.

  111. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: So Faulk and Brodie are 3rd pairing D and Vasi is below average
    I think Woodmoney could use some additional calibrating

    Don’t let their results stand in the way of your opinion.

    Also,

    Don’t think I said Brodie is 3rd pair, just that he is a huge step down from Hamilton and had meh results in a 2nd pairing role for 2 years.

  112. Wilde says:

    Also, they should have Pettersson off the ice for a long time. That looked so, so bad. He was wobbling like about as bad as I’ve ever seen.

    Vancouver doesn’t have much to lose by keeping him off the ice, although apparently they didn’t retaliate because they “needed the two points” so perhaps they feel otherwise, which would be unfortunate.

  113. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack: as WG would say … Proof?

    Goals Saved Above Average. (via corsica.hockey)

    Basically is xGF but since its for goalies is like xGA. Compare their results to average SV% on similar shot across league using 5 year averages.

    Median in the league is 0 GSAA (natch)

    Last 3 years of Vasilevskiy:

    Player Season GSAA
    ANDREI.VASILEVSKIY 15/16 -5.82
    ANDREI.VASILEVSKIY 16/17 -6.79
    ANDREI.VASILEVSKIY 17/18 -1.97

    Below average each year.

    I like to normalize GSAA by expressing it per 100 shots against.

    Player Season GSAA/100
    ANDREI.VASILEVSKIY 15/16 -0.90
    ANDREI.VASILEVSKIY 16/17 -0.46
    ANDREI.VASILEVSKIY 17/18 -0.09

    He’s never been above average in this.

    Also,

    If we look at the last 3 years of Gibson:

    Player Season GSAA
    JOHN.GIBSON 15/16 +1.16
    JOHN.GIBSON 16/17 +21.89
    JOHN.GIBSON 17/18 +32.51

    Expressed in /100 shots

    Player Season GSAA/100
    JOHN.GIBSON 15/16 +0.12
    JOHN.GIBSON 16/17 +1.52
    JOHN.GIBSON 17/18 +1.74

    Gibson is elite and has either lead the NHL or close over the last two years.

    Note: these are all situation, not just 5v5

  114. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I have been sipping on some writers tears today.

    $52 at NSLC.

    I have enjoyed it.

    Not as much as some of the scotch I have tried.

    I think I will try the redbreast 12 once this bottle is gone.

    Good to hear.

    Some people like the robust peat/smoke of a scotch, but I prefer my whiskey cleaner tasting.

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks: What’s wrong with chest muffins?

    Nothing wrong if they’re on your wife/girlfriend.

    Not as good if they’re coming off a Dman’s stick.

  116. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: Nope, this eye test crowd was screaming this is not the Lucic type player you are looking for

    Kilty McBagpipes sure loved it:

    No my position is a player who delivers game altering hits, aggressive forecheck and makes the players around him more comfortable on the ice is AT LEAST as valuable as a one man show who “pushes the river.” This is McDavid’s team whether you like it or not.

    We tried it your way for 5 years. You had your chance now it’s Chia’s way and he has won a Stanley Cup. Have you?

    https://lowetide.ca/2016/07/01/blister-in-the-sun/#comment-546887

  117. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    who,

    Wasn’t his signing largely based on his strong analytics?

    Peter signed him. Did Peter mention his strong analytics?

    I honestly don’t remember.

    Seems to me all I heard from the Lucic believers was what a possession monster he was and how the Oilers would be able to cycle the puck endlessly when he was on the ice.

    Here’s a couple threads from that day so you can read it instead of trying to remember it:

    https://lowetide.ca/2016/07/01/oilers-sign-lucic/#comments

    https://lowetide.ca/2016/07/01/blister-in-the-sun/

  118. treevojo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Good to hear.

    Some people like the robust peat/smoke of a scotch, but I prefer my whiskey cleaner tasting.

    That might be exactly what it is as well.

    I don’t have the best sense of smell anymore so that peat/smoke really gets my attention.

    In saying that my wife wasn’t a fan.

    Her scotch of choice is Scapa.

  119. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Benson – McLeod – Maksimov could be dynamite together. I’m hoping we get to see it next year.

    I want Benson playing LW with Leon this year.

  120. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo: That might be exactly what it is as well.

    I don’t have the best sense of smell anymore so that peat/smoke really gets my attention.

    In saying that my wife wasn’t a fan.

    Her scotch of choice is Scapa.

    I’m not familiar with Scapa, what does it taste like?

  121. treevojo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m not familiar with Scapa, what does it taste like?

    It is said to be honey flavoured with very little peat. She is not big on the robust flavours.

    You should try it.

    I really like that as well.

    She was the first to bring home a bottle and sent me down the path of trying some different ones last year.

  122. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I want Benson playing LW with Leon this year.

    You might get that. Benson and Marody are better hockey players today than much of this Oilers roster, and Benson’s a 2nd round pick that they like a lot.

  123. Wilde says:

    Is… is Erik Gustafsson worse than anyone we’re playing at 3LD?

  124. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lucic was a positive possession player last year, even without McDavid.

    Lucic was a bad player last year. And the year before.

  125. London Jon says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Kilty McBagpipes sure loved it:

    No my position is a player who delivers game altering hits, aggressive forecheck and makes the players around him more comfortable on the ice is AT LEAST as valuable as a one man show who “pushes the river.” This is McDavid’s team whether you like it or not.


    We tried it your way for 5 years. You had your chance now it’s Chia’s way and he has won a Stanley Cup. Have you?

    https://lowetide.ca/2016/07/01/blister-in-the-sun/#comment-546887

    ‘AT LEAST as valuable’. OUCH!!!!

    So this poster would trade, say, Taylor Hall PLUS a 2nd rounder for Milan Lucic. Their cap hit is, OF COURSE, the same…

  126. London Jon says:

    London Jon: ‘AT LEAST as valuable’. OUCH!!!!

    So this poster would trade, say, Taylor Hall PLUS a 2nd rounder for Milan Lucic. Their cap hit is, OF COURSE, the same…

    I wonder if NJ does that trade 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  127. Ryan says:

    London Jon: I wonder if NJ does that trade

    I was wrong.

    Okay guys as Oilers fans, we’re tortured souls who always see a half empty glass.
    Let’s allow ourselves a modicum of happiness and rejoice over the first four years of the Lucic contract and worry about the other three years later
    .”

  128. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    who,

    Wasn’t his signing largely based on his strong analytics?

    Peter signed him.Did Peter mention his strong analytics?

    I honestly don’t remember.

    Seems to me all I heard from the Lucic believers was what a possession monster he was and how the Oilers would be able to cycle the puck endlessly when he was on the ice.

    Here’s a couple threads from that day so you can read it instead of trying to remember it:

    https://lowetide.ca/2016/07/01/oilers-sign-lucic/#comments

    https://lowetide.ca/2016/07/01/blister-in-the-sun/

    Thanks for posting this.
    I read the first thread. More support for the signing than I even remember. Lot of guys with egg on their face.

  129. London Jon says:

    Ryan: I was wrong.

    Okay guys as Oilers fans, we’re tortured souls who always see a half empty glass.
    Let’s allow ourselves a modicum of happiness and rejoice over the first four years of the Lucic contract and worry about the other three years later
    .”

    My expectations were exactly the same. Two good years, two okay years, three tough years.

    It seems we bypassed the first 5 years and moved straight to about Year 6 of everyone’s expectations…

    Why are his hands suddenly so terrible?!?!

  130. Professor Q says:

    Wow. Just saw the Pettersson Choke Slam.

    People calling the “hit” fine are delusional. Matheson was tracking Pettersson for 30 seconds and didn’t even go for a hit – the first part of his body to touch Pettersson was his hand on his throat. He knew exactly what he was doing, and didn’t get called for it.

    50 games. That’s what he should get if the NHL was actually serious.

  131. London Jon says:

    London Jon: My expectations were exactly the same. Two good years, two okay years, three tough years.

    It seems we bypassed the first 5 years and moved straight to about Year 6 of everyone’s expectations…

    Why are his hands suddenly so terrible?!?!

    It looks like someone won the ‘play on the Oilers 2nd line’ lot at a charity auction

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: You saw his handling by the coach in training camp.He is clearly “Russian”.

    Fans were clamoring for camp to be about the actual NHL players finding their right spots on the team and developing chemistry with their proper linemates and working on special teams. Fans were clamoring to have the roster cut down very early and get the distant bells assigned to their ultimate leagues.

    Maksimov was in a group of juniors that had zero chance of playing in the NHL this year and got assigned back with other juniors because he’s a junior player not because of his last name.

  133. godot10 says:

    London Jon: My expectations were exactly the same. Two good years, two okay years, three tough years.

    It seems we bypassed the first 5 years and moved straight to about Year 6 of everyone’s expectations…

    Why are his hands suddenly so terrible?!?!

    Life isn’t linear. He got older. He got slower. Eyesight got worse. The league got faster. The style of defensive play by the league is faster (except under McLellan). Tipping point. Lucic walked into an elevator shift.

  134. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo: It is said to be honey flavoured with very little peat. She is not big on the robust flavours.

    You should try it.

    I really like that as well.

    She was the first to bring home a bottle and sent me down the path of trying some different ones last year.

    I’ll give it a try.

    Not a peat fan at all.

    Give me hardwood charcoal all day long

  135. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde: You might get that. Benson and Marody are better hockey players today than much of this Oilers roster, and Benson’s a 2nd round pick that they like a lot.

    Yeah, the holes on wing are drastic enough that if they’re ready for a shot, give it to them.

  136. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    who: Thanks for posting this.
    Iread the first thread. More support for the signing than I even remember. Lot of guys with egg on their face.

    I liked Lucic and still like him more than most here.

    Never liked the contract.

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