Sunday Morning Coming Down

Evan Bouchard turned 19 on Saturday, celebrated by playing almost 15 minutes in the world’s best hockey league. Todd McLellan ran him a little on the No. 1 power play and the youngster got his shot through and there were some good looks. Perhaps we see more of it in the days to come.

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  • New Lowetide: Kirill Maksimov is tearing up the OHL, three Condors fly high.
  • New Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s race against time.
  • New Daniel Nugent-HopkinsAsking McDavid to take on Bergeron line at home shows what Oilers are missing.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Hopkins: Remembering Ron Chipperfield’s brief and hellish time as captain of the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Eric Duhatschek: Oilers finally getting a goal without Connor McDavid’s help and Edmonton captain couldn’t be happier.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Grant Fuhr talks about his journey, drug use and the state of goaltending.
  • Lowetide: Math offers a surprising option for Leon Draisaitl’s struggling No. 2 line
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Patience preached as Jesse Puljujarvi attempts to carve out his spot in the Oilers lineup.
  • Corey Pronman: Around the farm. Prospects having early success (Oilers item).
  • Lowetide: College and AHL prospect update.
  • Lowetide: Panic storm on the horizon as Oilers remain a one-man show

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Garrison-Bouchard were solid in 5:58, 7-3 in Corsi for 5-on-5 and 6-1 in shots. Bouchard made some rookie mistakes but I’m impressed with how quickly he is picking up the game. On the power play, he looked in control and made good things happen. Garrison is probably playing his final NHL games. It gives me no pleasure to say it, but he had to take a penalty because he couldn’t keep up. I expect Gravel will be in the lineup Tuesday.
  • Nurse-Russell went 11-11 in 13:12 together, 6-5 shots and no goals. One thing that has happened during this stronger week is the second pair emerging. Credit to Russell, he settled things down there. Nurse needs to be a little more responsible and consistent but he is playing a ton for McLellan. Duo had 7 offensive and 6 defensive zone starts. Went 4-12 in 8:22 against Fiala-Turris-Smith.
  • Klefbom-Larsson were 16-16 in 15:13, shots 11-8. I love this pairing. Oscar is healthy you can see it everywhere. Went 12-11 in 10:39 against Arvidsson-Johansen-Forsberg. McLellan knows what he has in Klefbom right now, he played monster minutes in all three disciplines.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 25 of 27 (.926) overall and 19 of 20 (.950) at 5-on-5. The first goal was a great shot, the second one was a little less certain. He kept Edmonton in the game against a superior opponent, and the team didn’t score a goal. Hard for me to fault the goalie.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian went 3-4 in 4:22, 2-1 in shots. Khaira had the only good chance, but he also turned over the puck that led to the first goal. Brodziak seemed more in the play and Kassian had his boots going so we more involved as well. This group was adequate for a fourth line, you’d like some offense during a six game period though.
  • Rieder-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi went 5-7 in 8:28, 4-2 in shots. I’m liking the Rieder-Draisaitl combination and JP had a nice chance high slot that would rank inside the top five looks all night. Leon didn’t allow a goal on his shifts, I thought he was more engaged overall. Went 3-6 against Ekholm-Subban in 4:57.
  • Lucic-Strome-Chiasson went 4-7 in 6:52 on the night. I liked the line. They were 1-2 in HDSC against the Preds and you know that’s not bad on a night when not a lot rhymed. Chiasson earned another look, Lucic on the third line seems about right.
  • Nuge-McDavid-Yamamoto were 14-14 in 14:43 (Nuge) and 9-9 in 9:37 (Yamamoto) on the night. Line was 1-2 in HDSC, the Preds were effective against McDavid as one would expect. McDavid went 11-11 against Josi-Ellis, and faced the Johansen line most of the night. You’re going to get games like this, sometimes you have to give the other man his due. This is such a night.

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 20152-4-0, goal differential -4
  • Oilers in October 2016: 5-1-0, goal differential +7
  • Oilers in October 2017: 2-4-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2018: 3-3-0, goal differential -6

The record is fine (if you have panic today, you need to think about this some more) but the goal differential is a real concern now. I get that there are three EN goals but most of the roster can’t piss a drop offensively. This needs to change. The Bouchard elevation to the power play is an interesting wrinkle.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM OCTOBER

  • On the road to: Sweden to play NJD (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Boston, NYR, Winnipeg (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Washington (Expected 1-3-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Chicago (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 3-6-2, 8 points in 11 games 
  • Current results: 3-3-0, 6 points after six games

This is an excellent month based on the original expectations and the team is most of the way through the “Shawshank crawl” the opening month of the season represents for Edmonton. You should be encouraged this morning. Seriously.

WHY SHOULD YOU BE ENCOURAGED?

The Oilers are going to play most of its games this season as the de facto underdog. In the first six games of the year, Edmonton was the superior team exactly once (NYR). They won. Wins against the Jets and Bruins were pleasant surprises, the NJD loss was the only genuine disappointment so far this year (and that has a lot to do with perception of the Devils as opposed to reality).

You should be encouraged because the general manager hasn’t traded Jesse Puljujarvi for a more certain option yet, the second pair seems to have settled things down, Kailer Yamamoto is finding ways to be useful.

We have a tendency to believe everything needs to be pumping in time in order for all to be well. I have news for you: This team will never be well. It isn’t balanced! When Leon finally figures things out, it’ll be Nuge with the flu or Koskinen can’t see and no one gave him an eye test.

The question you should be asking today: Why can’t this thing improve more rapidly? That’s a fair query. The question you can’t ask today: Why can’t this team be better than 3-3-0? You already know the answer. They are a 3-3-0 team. That’s what they are, even with Connor McDavid. If the Oilers leave Yamamoto, Puljujarvi and others to learn and to battle, this club should have a bigger arsenal when the spring arrives. This is how teams build. We are seeing progress, it’s in that 3-3-0 record this morning, it’s in the Yamamoto goal and the Puljujarvi goal and that shot Evan Bouchard got through on the power play last night.

This is the struggle. This is us. I wish you enjoyed it more, because for me the fun is to watch these kids build something. Gretzky, Messier and the crew did it, Weight, Joseph and that crew did it too. McDavid, Draisaitl and the current hopefuls can’t snap their fingers but they can work like buggers and figure it out on NHL ice. You can’t trade your way to 23 actual NHL players, that’s the portion of the build when you’re tweaking to address weakness. Edmonton is still building, procuring for talent they will use, we’re miles from trading talent for the finishing touches.

Last night, the Edmonton Oilers lost to a superior team much closer to winning the Stanley Cup. The kids got a close look at what it takes and how they have to improve their game. I see little point in being critical of anyone on the ice last night in Oilers’ silks. They lost to a better team.

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196 Responses to "Sunday Morning Coming Down"

  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oiler Goal Share after 6 games (3-3-0)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):

    McDavid On Ice 6-2 (75%)
    McDavid Off Ice 2-9 (18%)

    Special Teams (PP+Shorties For-PK+Shorties Against):
    5-5 = Net 0

    Empty Net Situations:
    0-3

    Net Goal Differential -6

    Analysis: Needs more cowbell

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I stayed mostly offline while I watched the game yesterday.

    I thought EDM played much better in terms of break outs and zone entry denials.

    Seeing all the Dmen tighten their gap at the blue line and contesting entry lanes.

    Seeing Russell change his game and stepping up more at the line make my cold, black heart warmer and more brown. Its good to see.

    Not a bad game.

    Bad PP and bad result, but not a bad game against the best team in the NHL.

    Was very surprised at the anger on twitter about this game.

    Late game, maybe everyone was drunk.

    If they play this way against most team, they’ll be in a lot of games.

    PP looked atrocious though..

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oscar is healthy you can see it everywhere.

    Yeah, he’s physical in the corners again.

    Skating the puck to fresh air to make passing decisions.

    Making good passes and skating the puck out.

    Love me some healthy Dreamy.

  4. verite says:

    Nashville is shit
    And the Oilers made them look great
    An utter disgrace

  5. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    You can’t trade your way to 23 actual NHL players, that’s the portion of the build when you’re tweaking to address weakness.

    Someone should have told Pete this.

    I blame LT.

  6. Westchester Oil says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Is that you Woodguy or is it really OP making the first four posts?

  7. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I stayed mostly offline while I watched the game yesterday.

    I thought EDM played much better in terms of break outs and zone entry denials.

    Seeing all the Dmen tighten their gap at the blue line and contesting entry lanes.

    Seeing Russell change his game and stepping up more at the line make my cold, black heart warmer and more brown.Its good to see.

    Not a bad game.

    Bad PP and bad result, but not a bad game against the best team in the NHL.

    Was very surprised at the anger on twitter about this game.

    Late game, maybe everyone was drunk.

    If they play this way against most team, they’ll be in a lot of games.

    PP looked atrocious though..

    Yeah and though I love Klefbom he should not be on the PP. Would rather run 5F than him.

    On this D corpse it’s probably Bouchard or run 5F I think.

    Surprised at the anger too. Is this just frustration at the Oilers being a .500 team? Is reality setting in for some fans that this is a borderline playoff team at the best?

  8. Paulie says:

    Oscar is healthy you can see it everywhere.

    Healthy left shoulder means he doesn’t have to worry about riding someone far side into the boards anymore or really leaning on them left side. Very encouraging.

  9. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yes we’re back to the Halycon Days of 16-17. If Talbot is on fire and McDavid can saw off against the other team’s top line, then McLellan has to hope from 2 goals from a combination of Lines 2-4 and PP combined.

    Whether it’s coaching or roster construction or both (it’s both), we haven’t seen a team with consistent scoring outside of McDavid since we traded Hall. So weird.

  10. Chesswizadry says:

    Head coach has to go. This team is so unprepared to begin games.

    PC is even worse, talk about a turd of a GM

  11. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Uneven game by an uneven team against a very even and good team. Several things I liked:

    Bouchard: If you stumble, if you hesitate, you can kiss the crown goodbye! Now if I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a thousand times, poise counts! Its just as important as the others: Swimsuit, talent, evening wear, poise!

    Chaisson was *Gene voice* chasing-on all night.

    Line 4 on the whole was very good for a fourth line. Liked Kassian’s Give-a-fuck/60.

    Yamamoto did not look out of place on line 1. Very good 200ft game as far as I could tell.

    Lucic still has stone hands but he doesn’t throw it away AS much. And feet are better. Not better-better, but better. Im still worried but prefer him on line 3.

    Leave JP with Drai on line two and make them work for it until it gels. Give it 10-15 games to prove me wrong. Force the issue, the team needs this. They are both unconventional in many ways, it might take work but its not alchemy its work. Work at it. Practice it. It will be worth it. We are still very early.

    All in all, the Predators were built to beat these Oilers. How many teams can say that? A handful sure, but if the Oilers can put in that effort every time, we will come out on the other side of 94 pts or whatever the cut off is. I actually think that effort will get 2-3 points against Pittsburgh and Washington. In fact, perhaps this is a team being designed to win the finals but not get out of the west to prove it.

  12. Richard Roma says:

    dustrock:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yes we’re back to the Halycon Days of 16-17. If Talbot is on fire and McDavid can saw off against the other team’s top line, then McLellan has to hope from 2 goals from a combination of Lines 2-4 and PP combined.

    Whether it’s coaching or roster construction or both (it’s both), we haven’t seen a team with consistent scoring outside of McDavid since we traded Hall. So weird.

    My recollection is that Nuge was tasked in running a checking line that year so that Mclellan could get clean air for McDavid.

  13. who says:

    Good effort overall. With any luck, and if a few Oilers had hit the net, they could have been leading by a couple after the first. Didn’t like the 2nd goal but some of those are going to go in over a season.
    I wouldn’t make too big a deal over Bouchard being on PP1. If they are going to play Oscar 30 minutes a night they need to get him a breather sometime. Powerplay seems like a good place to cut his minutes. Also seems like a good place to give Bouchard a few more sheltered minutes .

  14. Bling says:

    I didn’t see the game, but as per naturalstattrick:

    Nashville // Oilers

    CF%: 50.6 // 49.4
    FF%: 42.9 // 57.1
    SCF : 15 // 20
    HDCF: 5 // 3

    The heat maps also look pretty good for the Oil, with a good volume of shots from the slot and right in front of the net.

    That’s a pretty good game by the Oilers, at least by the numbers. Probably good enough to win with a little better finish and/or luck.

  15. hunter1909 says:

    Until they lost the game it was really fun to watch.

    Lowetide you’re right: They look pretty good to this observer so far this season.

  16. Mr DeBakey says:

    Wins against the Jets and Bruins were pleasant surprises, the NJD loss was the only genuine disappointment so far this year

    When evaluating the team you have to think of the Jets & Bruins games as Ties not Wins; The Oilers record is 1-3-2 after 6 games.
    What happens in the Pond Hockey Extravaganza has nothing to do with the 60 minutes preceding it.

    That said, the Oilers record is fine considering the opposition.

    Chiarelli needed to roll the dice on some secondary scoring this past summer. I liked Pirri and many mentioned Duclair, others were available.
    Hope that one sticks & helps.

    Trying to build lines with this group…Yikes

  17. Bling says:

    For anyone who watched the game:

    Any theories on why Drai’s CF% was at 35?

    That number sticks out. HIs linemates were not anywhere near that.

  18. dustrock says:

    What would it take to get pending UFA Stone from the Sens?

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Berglund held off the score sheet as Skelleftea falls 2-1 in OT today.

  20. Philosophil says:

    LT, agree with the op-ed piece, well said.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think the 17 minutes of 5X5 TOI is off for Klef as NHL.com has him at just a shade under 20 for ES TOI – was there much 4X4 gameplay? I don’t believe there was.

    Anyway, Klef seems to struggle with the puck in the offensive zone last night, a couple misplays at the blueline, arrant passes and puck bobbles (everyone was bobbling) but he was great defending and battling. Over 30 minutes TOI is crazy – great player.

    On that note, here is hoping that Gravel can come in and play a solid 15-16 minutes – the team really needs to find a way to reduce the TOI of Klef, Nurse and Russell – the amount of minutes Klef and Nurse are playing isn’t sustainable.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    Here is hoping that Benning is back next Saturday to slow-play the last few games of Bouchard’s season. I would really like Bear to get a good stretch of AHL games prior to his recall but I’m not sure its going to happen.

    The Condors are in a stretch of 2 games in 2 weeks – blah.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    I thought that was Leon’s best game last night. He was skateing hard through all three zones.

    His passing was hit and miss but he was engaged in the defensive zone and not cheating for offence.

    A commitment to the defensive zone will lead to offence for this player.

    Unfortunately, due to team construction and some injury to a top 6 winger, he is playing with two 3rd line wingers making it tough.

    I’m close to being more adamant that Strome fills in at 2RW.

    I don’t think Khaira is ready for 4C, however, its important to get that second line scoring, some how, some way.

  24. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock,

    Yes we’re back to the Halycon Days of 16-17.

    GF% McDavid Off

    16/17 48.9%
    18/19 18.0%

    No sir.

    We are not there.

  25. JimmyV1965 says:

    I wonder if Tmac will ever wear a bull’s head during a post-game interview. Having fun means something, even for pro athletes.

  26. godot10 says:

    1) Nashville was playing the 2nd game of a back-to-back.

    2) McLellan is failing at team building by NOT playing Koskinen last night. The coach believes more is more. It is not. One has to always to the right thing for the team. The team needs a backup goaltender to make the playoffs. It means one has to play him at appropriate times.

    3) You can keep players outside of the circle that you don’t really need or are replaceable. The backup goaltender has to be inside the circle. McLellan has far too small a circle, which is why his teams lose in the end. He goes to war with too few players who are really on his team.

    4) When you are pig-headed, you don’t need a mask.

  27. workaroundaccount says:

    This is a bad hockey club. No point railing on them, they are a cinderella story if they make playoffs. I’m just happy that we are close enough that we can call ourselves competitive at the end of October.

  28. bcoil says:

    Hi liked your last 6 paragraphs and totally agree .Most of the folks that read your articles dont remember that half if not more of the fun of watching Gretzky Messier Coffey etc. was watching them grow .They got beat lots in the early years but watching them get better and better WAS the fun because you knew they would arrive soon .This team has the potential to be great too and all the negative Nellies out there should enjoy the process instead of getting bent out of shape all time if they arn’t Stanley Cup champs in the next week > we will get there enjoy the journey .

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    Funny, I had the Condors game on the Ipad while the Oilers game was on but, due to the conflict, wasn’t paying close attention and didn’t notice the Bear wasn’t in the lineup. He must be hurt (or sick).

    That was a very nice performance from Benson and Marody – the first game where they finally got on the scoresheet at even strength as, before, their damage was almost all on the PP.

    Its really too bad they are in such a slow stretch – last night was their first game since last Saturday and they don’t play again until next Saturday.

  30. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bling:
    I didn’t see the game, but as per naturalstattrick:

    Nashville // Oilers

    CF%: 50.6 // 49.4
    FF%: 42.9 // 57.1
    SCF : 15 // 20
    HDCF: 5 // 3

    The heat maps also look pretty good for the Oil, with a good volume of shots from the slot and right in front of the net.

    That’s a pretty good game by the Oilers, at least by the numbers. Probably good enough to win with a little better finish and/or luck.

    Good game I thought as well. I wait and hope they take the final step to being a solid team which is being able to think and make good decisions that can break down disciplined D

    These numbers tell the story. The Oilers don’t defend the dangerous areas as well as good teams and don’t penetrate them offensively as good teams. Meaning they rely on good bounces, Talbot and McDavid being spectacular too much still

  31. John Chambers says:

    The Oilers lost to the Bruins in game 2 of the season, lookin awful in the process, then tweaked their game, and defeated the same team game 5.

    It’ll be interesting to see what adjustments they make and how the team plays against the Preds in a week’s time.

    That is the progress we can hope to see.

  32. npanciroli says:

    I was encouraged by this game to be honest. The secondary scoring needs to come around at some point right? I really don’t think the forwards are that bad.

  33. dessert1111 says:

    Good game last night, the Oilers didn’t have any glaring issues overall.

    The big issue on the roster is it’s missing a dynamic top pairing RD, but you don’t want to trade for one because (a) that might be Bouchard in a couple years, (b) you have to trade a top forward to get that player or (c) you have to trade Puljujarvi before you know if he can put it all together.

    If this team plays like it has the past few games, ends up as a bubble team with heart and builds to be a contender starting next year I can’t be too upset with that, given where they are now.

    The timeline was pushed back when we made bad moves 3 and a half years ago – all of those things have an impact down the line.

  34. Psyche says:

    The Oilers are where they should be.

    It’s always fascinating how the club has managed to shoot itself in the foot by trading away players who go on to perform better in other organizations.

    Apparently, LB is pretty good when he doesn’t sit a month between games and has real defencemen in front of him.

    https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/jets-get-another-big-effort-from-backup-brossoit-in-win-over-coyotes

  35. Oilman99 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Uneven game by an uneven team against a very even and good team. Several things I liked:

    Bouchard: If you stumble, if you hesitate, you can kiss the crown goodbye! Now if I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a thousand times, poise counts! Its just as important as the others: Swimsuit, talent, evening wear, poise!

    Chaisson was *Gene voice* chasing-on all night.

    Line 4 on the whole was very good for a fourth line. Liked Kassian’s Give-a-fuck/60.

    Yamamoto did not look out of place on line 1. Very good 200ft game as far as I could tell.

    Lucic still has stone hands but he doesn’t throw it away AS much. And feet are better. Not better-better, but better. Im still worried but prefer him on line 3.

    Leave JP with Drai on line two and make them work for it until it gels. Give it 10-15 games to prove me wrong. Force the issue, the team needs this. They are both unconventional in many ways, it might take work but its not alchemy its work. Work at it. Practice it. It will be worth it. We are still very early.

    All in all, the Predators were built to beat these Oilers. How many teams can say that? A handful sure, but if the Oilers can put in that effort every time, we will come out on the other side of 94 pts or whatever the cut off is. I actually think that effort will get 2-3 points against Pittsburgh and Washington. In fact, perhaps this is a team being designed to win the finals but not get out of the west to prove it.

    Lucic stone hands do not help the PP, Khaira or JP for net front presence with quicker stick.

  36. leadfarmer says:

    The funny thing is a week ago we we would all be happy with a 3-3-0 start

  37. Oilman99 says:

    John Chambers:
    The Oilers lost to the Bruins in game 2 of the season, lookin awful in the process, then tweaked their game, and defeated the same team game 5.

    It’ll be interesting to see what adjustments they make and how the team plays against the Preds in a week’s time.

    That is the progress we can hope to see.

    Based on their record for the past 4years, and the quality of the opposition the outcome will be the same or worse, as they will be playing at home. I just want somebody to cream Suban and take that smirk off his face.

  38. npanciroli says:

    I do think McLellan is a part of the problem the team is facing.

  39. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    The funny thing is a week ago we we would all be happy with a 3-3-0 start

    Yes. Absolutely.

  40. digger50 says:

    Is Bouchard is Mr. Casual?

    He “seems” to lack intensity. I’m not sure if he has been credited with a hit. With all his other skills and the “new NHL” does he even need to?

    Then he goes and crosschecks a man into the boards…lol. Where did that come from? Interesting cat, I think he’s going to find a long term spot here, and if Peter cannot find another D soon, Bouchard is going well past 9 games.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chesswizadry:
    Head coach has to go.This team is so unprepared to begin games.

    PC is even worse, talk about a turd of a GM

    The Oilers were ready to go from puck drop last night – not sure what you were seeing.

    On further read, it was just a post to bash everything in the organization I see.

  42. Oilman99 says:

    Chesswizadry:
    Head coach has to go.This team is so unprepared to begin games.

    PC is even worse, talk about a turd of a GM

    Dude what game were you watching? That was their best start of the year against a Stanley Cup contender with the best defence in the league.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    The funny thing is a week ago we we would all be happy with a 3-3-0 start

    I remain content.

    Not to mention, by my eye. the Oilers continue to improve and have played better game after game all year long.

    That is quite encouraging.

    I am discouraged by the amount of minutes we are requiring our top 4D to play due to inability to rely on the 3rd pairing – hopefully Gravel can solidify that pairing and play 15-16 reliable minutes per game.

  44. digger50 says:

    I had a post up yesterday in regards to players who have come and gone through Edmonton. We could discuss the details of this player or that player but take ten steps back and look at the main reason we are still building a team, and the main reason we are 18% goal share non McDavid, and it’s all about talent assessment. Or maybe better termed as talent management.

    We have had good players in Edmonton but so many times they just ride on through.

  45. PerryK says:

    The zone denials by the D were excellent. But the speed of the forwards coming back was tentative. As in, we are in good position, I’ll stay by their blue line! Zone entries seemed clean, but they took the ozone and then shot the puck into the corner. Some times, it seemed it came back out faster then it went in! No one in position to accept a pass from carry-in person!

  46. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m quite happy with the team’s record and the game last night. I’m not on board with the coach at all. He should have played Koskinen last night. It was the perfect opportunity. There would be zero pressure on him to win the game and the players might have rallied around him. Now the coach will wait until we play Detroit or Chicago and it will be a month into the season and the goalie will be expected to win. The coach is so worried about winning the next game he is neglecting the big picture.I have zero faith in the coach’s ability to elevate the performance of his players.

  47. Woogie63 says:

    I am enjoying the hockey right now.

    Last night was a good example of how many Oilers are playing above where they should be slotted …imo

    Playing in the correct slot…

    McDavid 1C
    Draisaitl 2C
    Puljujarvi 2 RW
    Lucic 3LW
    Strome 3C
    Khaira 4LW
    Brodziak 4C
    Kassian 4RW
    Nurse 2 LHD
    Bouchard 3RHD

    I am still deciding if the slotting is correct…

    Nuge 1LW
    Klefbom 1LHD
    Larsson 1 RHD

    Playing to high in the order

    Yamamoto 1RW
    Rieder 2LW
    Chassion 3RW
    Russell 2 RHD
    Garrison 3 LHD

  48. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Oiler Goal Share after 6 games (3-3-0)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):

    McDavid On Ice 6-2 (75%)
    McDavid Off Ice 2-9 (18%)

    Special Teams (PP+Shorties For-PK+Shorties Against):
    5-5 = Net 0

    Empty Net Situations:
    0-3

    Net Goal Differential -6

    Analysis: Needs more cowbell

    Yessir!

    https://youtu.be/R8fpVNhiqKQ

  49. Sierra says:

    leadfarmer:
    The funny thing is a week ago we we would all be happy with a 3-3-0 start

    Quoted for truth

    Doesn’t change the concern over secondary scoring though.

  50. oilersjo says:

    Nice to see the Oilers give a shout out to Jordan Tootoo last night. Warts and all he had a hell of a ride.

  51. pts2pndr says:

    I enjoyed last nights game! The Oilers played a more experiencedand balanced team and the game as I saw it could have went either way! What I was most impressed with was the improvement that I am seeing from game to game. This was in my opinion their most complete game as a team overall. It was also a fun game to watch. Hi tempo with very good plays by both teams and physical! For those fans that are upset with our team I ask that you look for the improvement Made by individual players and the team as a whole. Players on championship teams make mistakes so why expext our players to be perfect! Understand that building a great team is a marithon not a sprint! The foundation is there and there are some good pieces on the way! Have faith! Lets go Oilers Lets go!! Clap Clap!

  52. €√¥£€^$ says:

    who:
    Good effort overall. With any luck, and if a few Oilers had hit the net, they could have been leading by a couple after the first. Didn’t like the 2nd goal but some of those are going to go in over a season.
    I wouldn’t make too big a deal over Bouchard being on PP1. If they are going to play Oscar 30 minutes a night they need to get him a breather sometime. Powerplay seems like a good place to cut his minutes. Also seems like a good place to give Bouchard a few more sheltered minutes .

    I agree, but still want to see Bouchard returned to London before Christmas

  53. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Here is hoping that Benning is back next Saturday to slow-play the last few games of Bouchard’s season.I would really like Bear to get a good stretch of AHL games prior to his recall but I’m not sure its going to happen.

    The Condors are in a stretch of 2 games in 2 weeks – blah.

    I read that Bear didn’t play due to injury, any info on his ailment?

  54. Rake 2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Oscar is healthy you can see it everywhere.

    Yeah, he’s physical in the corners again.

    Skating the puck to fresh air to make passing decisions.

    Making good passes and skating the puck out.

    Love me some healthy Dreamy.

    And he was getting carved on Twitter last night. I couldn’t believe it. I guess the puck bouncing on him at the blue line cost us the game according to the masses.

  55. HenryDrix says:

    bcoil:
    Hi liked your last 6 paragraphs and totally agree .Most of the folks that read your articles dont remember that half if not more of the fun of watching Gretzky Messier Coffey etc. was watching them grow .They got beat lots in the early years but watching them get better and better WAS the fun because you knew they would arrive soon .This team has the potential to be great too and all the negative Nellies out there should enjoy the process instead of getting bent out of shape all time if they arn’t Stanley Cup champs in the next week > we will get there enjoy the journey .

    It’s just we’ve been watching the team grow since 2008. It’s like watching sea level rise.

  56. €√¥£€^$ says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I wonder if Tmac will ever wear a bull’s head during a post-game interview. Having fun means something, even for pro athletes.

    That was probably the most amazing interview ever seen in hockey!

    https://youtu.be/Z7SVWlXDus0

    Ryan Johansen provided more info on Afterhours, which IMO is must-see tv for all fans (or observers) of the hockeying

  57. leadfarmer says:

    Sierra: Quoted for truth

    Doesn’t change the concern over secondary scoring though.

    Some people have been trying to downplay our competition. Oh this team we played isn’t that good they have a hole here. But we are playing the giants of the NHL right now. These guys like Jets Bruins Preds are top 4 playoff seeds
    Our roster is pieced together with duct tape.
    Breaking in multiple rookies into key positions

    Good to see our rookies will probably do well filling those spots
    See a lot of Arvidsson in Yamamoto. The engine that just won’t quit

    At a time where goalies are falling apart left and right, crying into their oversized chest protectors that they can no longer wear it’s good to see Talbot providing steady goalering

  58. Bondo11 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I thought that was Leon’s best game last night.He was skateing hard through all three zones.

    His passing was hit and miss but he was engaged in the defensive zone and not cheating for offence.

    A commitment to the defensive zone will lead to offence for this player.

    Unfortunately, due to team construction and some injury to a top 6 winger, he is playing with two 3rd line wingers making it tough.

    I’m close to being more adamant that Strome fills in at 2RW.

    I don’t think Khaira is ready for 4C, however, its important to get that second line scoring, some how, some way.

    I agree that Leon was skating better through 3 zones, but I still saw him cheating for offence by flying the d-zone early, instead of supporting down low. He looked like Caggiula – was putting in an effort, but not getting results.

    I agree that it wouldn’t hurt to put Strome with Leon for defensive support and let Leon loose. At this point in time, I don’t see Leon as a responsible 2-way centre. Not sure he will ever develop into one?

  59. €√¥£€^$ says:

    bcoil:
    Hi liked your last 6 paragraphs and totally agree .Most of the folks that read your articles dont remember that half if not more of the fun of watching Gretzky Messier Coffey etc. was watching them grow .They got beat lots in the early years but watching them get better and better WAS the fun because you knew they would arrive soon .This team has the potential to be great too and all the negative Nellies out there should enjoy the process instead of getting bent out of shape all time if they arn’t Stanley Cup champs in the next week > we will get there enjoy the journey .

    Thanks for reminder, it was quite an amazing adventure, wasn’t it? That’s why I started obsessively watching in 2009-10, thinking they were going to acquire and develop great prospects and become a championship team in a short time. I am still watching and waiting, but this organization can’t seem to get out of it’s own way (didn’t I read that somewhere recently)….

    Connor McDavid IS the Edmonton Oilers and until he gets some help in the scoring department and team has depth dmen that are trusted, he won’t be winning any more Hart Trophies…..

  60. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    dustrock,

    Yes we’re back to the Halycon Days of 16-17.

    GF% McDavid Off

    16/17 48.9%
    18/19 18.0%

    No sir.

    We are not there.

    This got me thinking about showing how EDM is pro-rating for the year in:

    1) EV Goal Diff 97 On
    2) EV Goal Diff 97 Off
    2) Special Teams Goal Diff

    and compare it to the 16/17 and 17/18 seasons.

    Note: EV includes 5v5, 4v4 and 3v3

    Note: Data from Offsidereview.com as Naturalstattrick includes empty net in EV scoring.

    To that end……

    EV Goal Diff 97 On
    16/17 +31
    17/18 +23
    18/19 +55 (heh)

    EV Goal DIff 97 Off
    16/17 -5
    17/18 -33
    18/19 -96 (hehe)

    Special Teams
    16/17 +12
    17/18 -21
    18/19 0

    Total Goal Diff all 3 disciplines
    16/17 +38
    17/18 -31
    18/19 -41

    Early, early days, but despite the fake .500 record, the goal diff is pointed down.

  61. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The more I think about the expansion, the more I would send down Bouchard and Yama. They aren’t playing poorly per se, but neither are going to challenge for the Calder and neither are moving the team needle in a significant way.

    I’d rather be able to protect 7 F and 3D and not lose a top talent player than burn a year on a non Cup possibly non play off season. It will look like a poor decision when we watch a top 4 D, JP, Yama or a 1st/2nd round pick go to Seattle instead of a mid tier player or prospect.

    Disappointing for the young players, good for the team (and their careers being on a stronger team as a result) as it stands IMO. With no expansion I’d keep both up likely and let them grow, they’re close.

  62. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    leadfarmer:
    The funny thing is a week ago we we would all be happy with a 3-3-0 start

    – I’m in London right now. Had a fun time going to the nfl game

    – very few would have thought we’d be 500 right now.

    – I kind of disagree with the assessment (no surprise). I think the expectation was 2-4 and knives out

    – Talbot 2nd goal. An elite team saves that and we win the game.

    – after 6 games we are much better than consensus imo.

  63. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – and missing Rattie hurts a lot. He’s been excellent

    – Kailer has no bidness where he is. That hurts a lot

    – and imagine sek2016-Bouchard on 3rd pair.

  64. CapeBretonOilers says:

    verite,

    seriously ? LOL

  65. godot10 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    The more I think about the expansion, the more I would send down Bouchard and Yama. They aren’t playing poorly per se, but neither are going to challenge for the Calder and neither are moving the team needle in a significant way.

    I’d rather be able to protect 7 F and 3D and not lose a top talent player than burn a year on a non Cup possibly non play off season. It will look like a poor decision when we watch a top 4 D, JP, Yama or a 1st/2nd round pick go to Seattle instead of a mid tier player or prospect.

    Disappointing for the young players, good for the team (and their careers being on a stronger team as a result) as it stands IMO. With no expansion I’d keep both up likely and let them grow, they’re close.

    Yamamoto is going to burn a year towards expansion eligibility in Bakersfield. It does not matter whether he is there or here.

    Bouchard should have been sent to London a month ago.

  66. bendelson says:

    Well, no one likes the home team to get shutout on a date night. Ha!

    Also, never good when the intermissions are more entertaining than the hockey game. Nashville played a smart road game and systematically squeezed the life out of the Oilers. They kept the home crowd quiet, they are very good.

    Onwards and upwards… the PIT game should be a gem.

  67. Alpine says:

    Merely an anecdote but I’ve found this team pretty boring to watch so far, save for that third period in Winnipeg.

    When we win we barely win, when we lose it’s not that close. I suppose we just need to play easier teams. A bit of an indictment on Chia’s roster building and McLellan’s coaching that we literally only have a chance in games because of 97.

    This may read as me being down on the team but I’m just trying to be frank with how good the team actually is.

  68. McSorley33 says:

    Bling,

    Drais CF %:

    I thought Drai has been rocking 35-43% all year….though I readily admit I could be
    Mistaken.

  69. hunter1909 says:

    bcoil: This team has the potential to be great too and all the negative Nellies out there should enjoy the process instead of getting bent out of shape all time if they arn’t Stanley Cup champs in the next week

    This Observer for one cannot wait to see the day when Oiler mainstays Hall, Yakupov, Eberle, Dubnyk and Rob Schremp finally lift the cup.

  70. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    This is interesting.

    5v5 TOI last night:

    Player TOI
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 15.8
    Connor McDavid 15.5
    Leon Draisaitl 13.3
    Kailer Yamamoto 13.1
    Jesse Puljujarvi 12.4
    Tobias Rieder 10.9
    Ryan Strome 9.9
    Milan Lucic 7.8
    Alex Chiasson 7.5
    Zack Kassian 6.6
    Kyle Brodziak 5.8
    Jujhar Khaira 5.1

    Looch a hair above the 4th line.

    I guess “the GM is going to make the coach play him up the roster” theory of mine holds as much water as a colander.

  71. Richard S.S. says:

    No matter how good or bad you are, no matter how good or bad your opponents are, getting shut out is embarrassing. I think the Oilers realize this. They lost to a good Team they haven’t beaten in over three years. That’s embarrassing.

    The Oilers played their best game this year as a Team, ending their three game winning streak. The Offensive, as good as it could be, was a little light, perhaps unlucky as well. Hot Goalies occasionally steal games even when their Offense is good. If the Oilers play at least this good the remainder or the Season, they will win a lot of games.

    This is and always will be about the Offense – McDavid on and off the Ice.

  72. Lowetide says:

    bendelson:
    Well, no one likes the home team to get shutout on a date night.Ha!

    Amen!

  73. Bling says:

    McSorley33:
    Bling,

    Drais CF %:

    I thought Drai has been rocking 35-43% all year….though I readily admit I could be
    Mistaken.

    Haha, you’re right, but 35 is starting to get on the low end of low 🙂

  74. Bling says:

    Psyche,

    From the article you linked, here’s a quote from Brossoit:

    “On this team, very rarely, at least so far in my small sample size here, there’s less cross-crease or through-the-seam plays, backdoor plays, that you have to worry about so it gives you that extra confidence to play at the top of your crease.”

    Gulp.

    I love LB. I really think he should have been given a better opportunity.

    At the end of the day, these guys are all human and they’re all trying to make something of themselves career-wise and to support themselves financially. Same as all of us. I’ll cheer like hell for all of them to make it, even if it makes the Oilers look bad in retrospect.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think Trent Yawney is already starting to show his value.

    Did you guys notice how aggressive the d-men were at closing gaps at our blueline? In particular Kris Russell – Kris Russell has been one of the worst d-men in the NHL at giving up the blue line, not defending the blue line and closing the gap. He was super aggressive at defending the line last nice and very effective at it – that has to be 100% coaching.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’m quite happy with the team’s record and the game last night. I’m not on board with the coach at all. He should have played Koskinen last night. It was the perfect opportunity.There would be zero pressure on him to win the game and the players might have rallied around him. Now the coach will wait until we play Detroit or Chicago and it will be a month into the season and the goalie will be expected to win. The coach is so worried about winning the next game he is neglecting the big picture.I have zero faith in the coach’s ability to elevate the performance of his players.

    I disagree it was the perfect opportunity – it would have led to Talbot having 5 solid days between starts which is less than ideal and means the opportunity was not perfect.

  77. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Richard Roma: My recollection is that Nuge was tasked in running a checking line that year so that Mclellan could get clean air for McDavid.

    Nuge and McDavid TOI% vs Elite forwards as per WoodMoney

    15/16
    97 – 40%
    93 – 37%

    16/17
    97 – 36%
    93 – 42%

    17/18
    97- 37%
    93 – 36%

    93 had a bit more TOI% vs Elite forwards than 97 in 16/17.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    €√¥£€^$: I read that Bear didn’t play due to injury, any info on his ailment?

    Ya, he didn’t play last night. I’ve reached out to Ryan Holt for an update but he isn’t very good at responding which is disappointment – I mean, no offence to Ryan Holt (who is great at his job) but he can’t be overwhelmed with inquiries regarding the Condors where he can’t respond.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    The more I think about the expansion, the more I would send down Bouchard and Yama. They aren’t playing poorly per se, but neither are going to challenge for the Calder and neither are moving the team needle in a significant way.

    While Yamamoto’s contract will slide if he’s in the AHL most of the year and doesn’t play 10 NHL games, I’m not sure that this year won’t count as a “year of pro” vis-a-vis the expansion draft.

    I’m not sure the exact parameters regarding “year of pro” for the purposes of the expansion draft but I don’t think it necessarily means burning the first year of an ELC.

  80. littleenglish says:

    Scungilli Slushy: protec

    Aren’t they second year pros by 2020? If so they should be protected still.

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Yamamoto is going to burn a year towards expansion eligibility in Bakersfield.It does not matter whether he is there or here.

    Bouchard should have been sent to London a month ago.

    I think you might be right regarding Yamamoto and the expansion draft but I do think its important to note that his ELC will slide if he doesn’t play 10 NHL games this year (even if he’s playing pro in the AHL).

    I can’t imagine him not playing 4 more games this year though – chances of that are essentially zero.

  82. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    verite:
    Nashville is shit
    And the Oilers made them look great
    An utter disgrace

    Nashville 5v5 GF% this year 66.7% – 1st in the NHL.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    *puts on Steve Smith’s sunglasses*
    .
    I don’t think “shit” means what you think it means.
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  83. Bling says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m seeing Russell really good this year. At first I thought it might be a feeling of resignation on my part. Good to know that others feel the same 🙂

  84. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: A trio of Condors flying high, can they reach Edmonton as a line? Plus Kirill Maksimov is blistering OHL goalies

    https://theathletic.com/601742/2018/10/21/trio-of-oilers-prospects-form-a-productive-line-in-bakersfield-kirill-maksimov-scorching-ohl-goalies/

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan McLeod with a PP goal late in the first – tied at 1 after 1.

  86. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    bendelson,

    Well, no one likes the home team to get shutout on a date night. Ha!

    But did you get shut out on date night?

  87. Bling says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Nashville 5v5 GF% this year 66.7% – 1st in the NHL.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    *puts on Steve Smith’s sunglasses*
    .
    I don’t think “shit” means what you think it means.
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is a filthy, disgusting number.

    I saw the Preds play St. Louis last season. What a fucking game. Preds came back from 3-0 in the third period and won in OT.

    Their D is bananas, their top 6 is amazing, but it was their bottom six that tied up that game. Such a well-built squad.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    Bling,

    Drais CF %:

    I thought Drai has been rocking 35-43% all year….though I readily admit I could be
    Mistaken.

    He’s at 38% on the year and has a RelCF$ of -15.25%.

    He’s got a GF% of 14.29% and a RelGF% of -35.71.

    Those are astoundingly horrible metrics.

    Of course, we’re at 6 games and remain subject to big swings so they could look much better at 10 games. Right now though……

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    littleenglish: Aren’t they second year pros by 2020? If so they should be protected still.

    There is a very decent chance the expansion draft will be delayed by one year which is causing the problem.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m seeing Russell really good this year. At first I thought it might be a feeling of resignation on my part. Good to know that others feel the same

    He’s been very good all year long. I’ve been adamant over the last year plus that he cannot be a legit option at 2RD – he can’t defend the blue line well enough or move the puck well enough.

    So far this year, he has moved the puck quite a bit better and he was plus plus defending the blue line last night.

    He’s made few material mistakes out there, especially relative to the minutes he’s been playing.

    I’m not even sure this is a product of Nurse being a polisher (like Sekera was in 2016/17), I think Russ is just killing it right now.

    Is it sustainable?

  91. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Nashville 5v5 GF% this year 66.7% – 1st in the NHL.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    *puts on Steve Smith’s sunglasses*
    .
    I don’t think “shit” means what you think it means.
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Nashville is THE shit.

  92. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think Trent Yawney is already starting to show his value.

    Did you guys notice how aggressive the d-men were at closing gaps at our blueline?In particular Kris Russell – Kris Russell has been one of the worst d-men in the NHL at giving up the blue line, not defending the blue line and closing the gap. He was super aggressive at defending the line last nice and very effective at it – that has to be 100% coaching.

    Russell has been a revelation this year, good on him!

  93. €√¥£€^$ says:

    godot10: Nashville is THE shit.

    +1000

  94. SwedishPoster says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Oiler Goal Share after 6 games (3-3-0)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):

    McDavid On Ice 6-2 (75%)
    McDavid Off Ice 2-9 (18%)

    Special Teams (PP+Shorties For-PK+Shorties Against):
    5-5 = Net 0

    Empty Net Situations:
    0-3

    Net Goal Differential -6

    Analysis: Needs more cowbell

    Connor McDavid puts on his pants one leg at the time like the rest of us, except once his pants are on he scores highlight reel goals.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Ryan McLeod with a PP goal late in the first – tied at 1 after 1.

    Mississauga down 2-1 after 2. McLeod is -2 and struggling on the dot (4 for 15) but he does have that PP goal.

    Guelph up 3-2 nearing the end of the 2nd and Samorukov does have an assist.

  96. Dominoiler says:

    For most of the first two periods the Oilers were right there w the Preds, anyone’s game.. Subban w an excellent shot, Arrvd w the sneaker and Soros was solid.. once the oilers unlock some secondary scoring they’ll at least have a punchers chance in taking down a solid team like the Preds, that’s better than its been!..

    I was fairly happy w the effort last night, and how they came out in the third too.. nice to see them pump out the jams from the very first minute.. nice game by Talbs, exception being that 2nd goal; hopefully he can iron that one out.. but team needs to score to win, goaltending didn’t lose the game.. so yeah, overall, good..

  97. innercitysmytty says:

    Rake 2.0,

    A few tools on Twitter do not make up the masses.

  98. digger50 says:

    Love the shot McDavid gave Russel during after hours, implying Kris was not exactly the most stylish player off ice.

    Demonstrates that Kris is definitely within the circle of trust on this team.

  99. littleenglish says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Oh. Hopefully they keep that in mind then.. or that they have the answer already.

  100. littleenglish says:

    OriginalPouzar: Russe

    Rhudey mentioned that they,re more aggressive on the pk too. I think they anticipate better now as well.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov’s assist was an effing beauty:

    https://twitter.com/storm_city/status/1054086594670428160?s=12

  102. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: While Yamamoto’s contract will slide if he’s in the AHL most of the year and doesn’t play 10 NHL games, I’m not sure that this year won’t count as a “year of pro” vis-a-vis the expansion draft.

    I’m not sure the exact parameters regarding “year of pro” for the purposes of the expansion draft but I don’t think it necessarily means burning the first year of an ELC.

    I was going by what you had posted before, if it is a counted year in the A it doesn’t matter where he plays other than his benefit

  103. Scungilli Slushy says:

    littleenglish: Aren’t they second year pros by 2020? If so they should be protected still.

    Yes, just the expansion isn’t set, problems if it pushes back a year. Not the end of the world but we’ve waited a long time to see some depth develop so I’m greedy and want them all.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Samorukov’s assist was an effing beauty:

    https://twitter.com/storm_city/status/1054086594670428160?s=12

    Samorukov has added a second assist as Guelph is up 4-2.

  105. jm363561 says:

    Psyche:

    Apparently, LB is pretty good when he doesn’t sit a month between games and has real defencemen in front of him.

    https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/jets-get-another-big-effort-from-backup-brossoit-in-win-over-coyotes
    ======
    Totally agree. LB never got a real chance. One bad game and bam.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Yes, just the expansion isn’t set, problems if it pushes back a year. Not the end of the world but we’ve waited a long time to see some depth develop so I’m greedy and want them all.

    It very well can be a big deal the way its currently shaping up. We are talking about exposing one of Larsson, Klef, Nurse or Bouchard or, if we want to keep all 4 protected, exposing someone like Nuge, Puljujarvi, Yamamoto (and, of course, everyone below them that is turning pro this year – Benson, Marody, etc. in addition to Bear, Jones, etc.)

  107. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I disagree it was the perfect opportunity – it would have led to Talbot having 5 solid days between starts which is less than ideal and means the opportunity was not perfect.

    If you want to limit your starter to play say 60 games, I think there will be stretches when he sits for at least four days. And I’m not sure a fifth day off is such a big difference. Realistically, we are now looking at playing the backup for the first time against Chicago, which will be the 10th game of the season and quite possibly a pressure-cooker situation. I’m not sure that is an optimal way to handle the second goalie.

  108. Johnny Larue says:

    verite:
    Nashville is shit
    And the Oilers made them look great
    An utter disgrace

    Man don’t ever stop that made me laugh out loud.

  109. GMB3 says:

    Woogie63: now.

    Is JP more deserving of 2RW than Nuge of 1LW? Not sure about that at all. Not convinced JP is in the NHL on many strong teams.

  110. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Samorukov’s assist was an effing beauty:

    https://twitter.com/storm_city/status/1054086594670428160?s=12

    Samorukov has it.

  111. Wilde says:

    Marody’s up?

  112. Wilde says:

    GMB3: Is JP more deserving of 2RW than Nuge of 1LW? Not sure about that at all. Not convinced JP is in the NHL on many strong teams.

    A strong (at forward) team has him at 2RW and 1PP, scoring 60 points.

    Something like

    Debrusk – Krejci – Puljujarvi

    Palat – Point – Puljujarvi

    Vrana – Backstrom – Puljujarvi

    Dadanov – Trocheck – Puljujarvi

    Something like that.

  113. --hudson-- says:

    Wilde:
    Marody’s up?

    Indeed he’s on the roster. Rattie and Benning both on IR
    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/roster

  114. Wilde says:

    –hudson–: Indeed he’s on the roster.Rattie and Benning both on IR
    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/roster

    Should I hit up Marody asking for 5% of his NHL day-pay because of my article?

  115. Zelepukin says:

    €√¥£€^$: Russell has been a revelation this year, good on him!

    Ya I don’t think I’ve yelled at Russell the entire year yet.

    Which reminds me, there was one play last night in the 3rd where NSH dumped it in on a change, both Klef and Larsson were back, Klef went to retrieve the puck in the corner while Larsson took position in the middle of the ice and tried to interfere with the path of the one forechecker. Klef literally skated and stopped exactly in the middle of the corner with the puck, did nothing and the one forechecker took it off of him. That was a textbook, yell at the TV, ‘what are you doing??’ moment.

  116. GMB3 says:

    Wilde: A strong (at forward) team has him at 2RW and 1PP, scoring 60 points.

    Something like

    Debrusk – Krejci – Puljujarvi

    Palat – Point – Puljujarvi

    Vrana – Backstrom – Puljujarvi

    Dadanov – Trocheck – Puljujarvi

    Something like that.

    I’m not sure if there’s enough evidence of him scoring to reasonably predict him scoring 60 points.

  117. GMB3 says:

    hunter1909:
    Worrying about losing players to expansion drafts is such a signal of pure fucking incompetence that it’s not even funny anymore. Am assuming the Oilers are as terrified as some of the Lowetide posters here who at least have the excuse that they’re not running anything directly.

    Good teams know how to manage their assets. Kevin Lowe teams learn by bitter experience then go to the press and say shit like “Boy we have a lot of defencemen” etc. Or announce to the world “We’re open for business” while the rest of the NHL is smart enough to stay away and humiliate them by not contacting them etc.

    Personally I haven’t got a clue how to manage this rubbish. All I know is, the Oilers are a low expectation, useless team of scroungers who steal top draft picks and ruin them so routinely there isn’t even any argument left to counter this usually over the top statement. Yes, the Oilers are the NHL’s poster boys for wasting assets.

    Who was ruined? Yak?

  118. Richard Roma says:

    jm363561:

    Love the quote:

    On this team, very rarely, at least so far in my small sample size here, there’s less cross-crease or through-the-seam plays, backdoor plays, that you have to worry about so it gives you that extra confidence to play at the top of your crease.”

  119. Richard Roma says:

    hunter1909,

    Always curious, do you reside in Canada or elsewhere? Someone else asked in a previous thread.

  120. Richard Roma says:

    Wilde: A strong (at forward) team has him at 2RW and 1PP, scoring 60 points.

    Something like

    Debrusk – Krejci – Puljujarvi

    Palat – Point – Puljujarvi

    Vrana – Backstrom – Puljujarvi

    Dadanov – Trocheck – Puljujarvi

    Something like that.

    You really like JP, eh?

    What do you like about his game?

  121. Richard Roma says:

    –hudson–: Indeed he’s on the roster.Rattie and Benning both on IR
    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/roster

    Any details on Rattie? Back spasm?

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ugh – Marody isn’t NHL ready.

    He’s “more ready” than Benson but, from what I’ve seen (and I’ve seen most of the Condor’s action this year), he needs much more AHL time.

    I wonder if this signals that Drake isn’t going to be ready for Tuesday. Presumably, Marody is the extra forward – the Condors don’t play again until next Sat so he can practice with the big club, make some more cash and then head back for next Saturday – hopefully.

    This digs in to the LTIR cushion by an extra $925 as well – getting close to $2M in to the cushion. Not good.

  123. Munny says:

    Wilde:
    Marody’s up?

    He had a great game last night. Excellent pre-season.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing 60 minutes of real game.

    RH shot and a skill player… he’s the logical call-up.

    I still think he’s 40 AHL games away from being truly ready, but part of development is playing a game or two in The Show, covering for injury.

    And a smart brain can cut that dev time down… college kid, who knows.

    But I’d still like to see a speedy recovery by Rattie.

  124. workaroundaccount says:

    Richard Roma: You really like JP, eh?

    What do you like about his game?

    I like the results when he is on with McDavid.

    hunter1909:
    Worrying about losing players to expansion drafts is such a signal of pure fucking incompetence that it’s not even funny anymore. Am assuming the Oilers are as terrified as some of the Lowetide posters here who at least have the excuse that they’re not running anything directly.

    Good teams know how to manage their assets. Kevin Lowe teams learn by bitter experience then go to the press and say shit like “Boy we have a lot of defencemen” etc. Or announce to the world “We’re open for business” while the rest of the NHL is smart enough to stay away and humiliate them by not contacting them etc.

    Personally I haven’t got a clue how to manage this rubbish. All I know is, the Oilers are a low expectation, useless team of scroungers who steal top draft picks and ruin them so routinely there isn’t even any argument left to counter this usually over the top statement. Yes, the Oilers are the NHL’s poster boys for wasting assets.

    We know that if we lose a player, we will spend decades searching for a replacement. Still waiting on a Petry replacement. Hall and Eberle are other holes left unaddressed. Horcoff, Hemaky, and Dubnyk all left gigantic holes when they left. Hell even Gagner was a huge hole that cost us a season, and he’s crap.

  125. Richard Roma says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Ugh – Marody isn’t NHL ready.

    He’s “more ready” than Benson but, from what I’ve seen (and I’ve seen most of the Condor’s action this year), he needs much more AHL time.

    I wonder if this signals that Drake isn’t going to be ready for Tuesday. Presumably, Marody is the extra forward – the Condors don’t play again until next Sat so he can practice with the big club, make some more cash and then head back for next Saturday – hopefully.

    This digs in to the LTIR cushion by an extra $925 as well – getting close to $2M in to the cushion.Not good.

    Weird how Chiarelli spent a fourth on Aberg, then didn’t reaquire him for free when Anaheim put him on waivers.

    Sort of reminds me of when Vegas put Reinhart on waivers.

  126. workaroundaccount says:

    Bling:
    Psyche,

    From the article you linked, here’s a quote from Brossoit:

    “On this team, very rarely, at least so far in my small sample size here, there’s less cross-crease or through-the-seam plays, backdoor plays, that you have to worry about so it gives you that extra confidence to play at the top of your crease.”

    Gulp.

    I love LB. I really think he should have been given a better opportunity.

    At the end of the day, these guys are all human and they’re all trying to make something of themselves career-wise and to support themselves financially. Same as all of us. I’ll cheer like hell for all of them to make it, even if it makes the Oilers look bad in retrospect.

    Still searching for a spect where the Oilers organization doesn’t look bad.

  127. workaroundaccount says:

    Question for the group. What are your thoughts on Dylan Strome? Is he worthy of as much optimism as JP?

  128. Richard Roma says:

    hunter1909: I have lived in among other places: Canada, Antarctica, New Zealand, Russia, the USA, and Mexico. Some of these answers are bullshit.

    Meanwhile, my work for the government precludes me from telling you everything your friend wants to know(see the previous statement for clarification).

    I’m not sure if you’re that paranoid or just trying to be funny.

    My random guess is Pickering Ontario.

  129. Richard Roma says:

    workaroundaccount: I like the results when he is on with McDavid.

    We know that if we lose a player, we will spend decades searching for a replacement. Still waiting on a Petry replacement. Hall and Eberle are other holes left unaddressed. Horcoff, Hemaky, and Dubnyk all left gigantic holes when they left. Hell even Gagner was a huge hole that cost us a season, and he’s crap.

    The Oilers develop rookies at the NHL level at a rate no sane organization would ever contemplate.

    Same as it ever was.

  130. Lowetide says:

    Richard Roma: I’m not sure if you’re that paranoid or just trying to be funny.

    My random guess is Pickering Ontario.

    Isn’t that where Caggiula is from?

  131. Lowetide says:

    workaroundaccount:
    Question for the group. What are your thoughts on Dylan Strome? Is he worthy of as much optimism as JP?

    He scores like a demon in junior and the AHL, so you’d think there’s a player there. I wouldn’t trade for him and do think JP has more potential (foot speed, etc) but Strome should be able to help a team eventually (maybe as a No. 2 C).

  132. who says:

    €√¥£€^$: I agree, but still want to see Bouchard returned to London before Christmas

    Oh absolutely. I see no point in him staying for more than 9 games. Especially with expansion looming.

  133. Richard Roma says:

    Lowetide: Isn’t that where Caggiula is from?

    Yes. He is.

    Must be the connection. Drake like Hunter1909 is a scrappy little guy who gets in hard on the forecheck, dusts it up when needed, chips in with some offense, and his teammates generally seem to like him.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909:
    Worrying about losing players to expansion drafts is such a signal of pure fucking incompetence that it’s not even funny anymore. Am assuming the Oilers are as terrified as some of the Lowetide posters here who at least have the excuse that they’re not running anything directly.

    Good teams know how to manage their assets. Kevin Lowe teams learn by bitter experience then go to the press and say shit like “Boy we have a lot of defencemen” etc. Or announce to the world “We’re open for business” while the rest of the NHL is smart enough to stay away and humiliate them by not contacting them etc.

    Personally I haven’t got a clue how to manage this rubbish. All I know is, the Oilers are a low expectation, useless team of scroungers who steal top draft picks and ruin them so routinely there isn’t even any argument left to counter this usually over the top statement. Yes, the Oilers are the NHL’s poster boys for wasting assets.

    Actually, I believe that “pure fucking incompetence” would be keeping a player on the roster when there is a replacement available that, during camp, just a few weeks ago, outplayed the current roster player and very well could make the team better now, and, by doing so, risk losing a piece of the future core of the team (or set the team up for being forced to make moves to avoid that situation and giving away other assets to make such moves). Even if there wasn’t such a replacement, if the aforementioned roster player is still finding his way in the league but not materially making the team better, keeping such player and risking losing the core piece, would still be “pure fucking incompetence”.

    The expansion draft is going to be a big damn deal for this team this time around and, thankfully, our GM has proven to be future-looking notwithstanding the pressure on him (if not, he would have traded the 10th, Puljujarvi, etc. in the off-season for immediate help).

    General managers around the league were express during last season that they will be planning for the next expansion draft well in advance – they learned from the Vegas expansion.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard Roma: Any details on Rattie? Back spasm?

    He pulled a “mid-body” muscle.

  136. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    This is interesting.

    5v5 TOI last night:

    PlayerTOI
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins15.8
    Connor McDavid15.5
    Leon Draisaitl13.3
    Kailer Yamamoto13.1
    Jesse Puljujarvi12.4
    Tobias Rieder10.9
    Ryan Strome9.9
    Milan Lucic7.8
    Alex Chiasson7.5
    Zack Kassian6.6
    Kyle Brodziak5.8
    Jujhar Khaira5.1

    Looch a hair above the 4th line.

    I guess “the GM is going to make the coach play him up the roster” theory of mine holds as much water as a colander.

    He might of had 8 minutes of powerplay time. PP1 was out there a lot

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard Roma: Weird how Chiarelli spent a fourth on Aberg, then didn’t reaquire him for free when Anaheim put him on waivers.

    Sort of reminds me of when Vegas put Reinhart on waivers.

    This situation, right now, is why Aberg should have been re-claimed.

    Trust me, I’m excited to see Marody – I’m a big fan since I watched 5 of his games at Michigan down the stretch last year. He’s going to be an NHL player but he’s a rookie pro that’s been given 4 development games (plus a handful at the end of last season).

  138. Richard Roma says:

    OriginalPouzar: Actually, I believe that “pure fucking incompetence” would be keeping a player on the roster when there is a replacement available that, during camp, just a few weeks ago, outplayed the current roster player and very well could make the team better now, and, by doing so, risk losing a piece of the future core of the team (or set the team up for being forced to make moves to avoid that situation and giving away other assets to make such moves). Even if there wasn’t such a replacement, if the aforementioned roster player is still finding his way in the league but not materially making the team better, keeping such player and risking losing the core piece, would still be “pure fucking incompetence”.

    The expansion draft is going to be a big damn deal for this team this time around and, thankfully, our GM has proven to be future-looking notwithstanding the pressure on him (if not, he would have traded the 10th, Puljujarvi, etc. in the off-season for immediate help).

    General managers around the league were express during last season that they will be planning for the next expansion draft well in advance – they learned from the Vegas expansion.

    Great stuff.

    If Chiarelli is still the Oilers GM leading up to the expansion draft, we’ll have bigger things to worry about than the player we lose to Seattle, lol.

    That aside, I agree about Bouchard.

  139. VOR says:

    workaroundaccount:
    Question for the group. What are your thoughts on Dylan Strome? Is he worthy of as much optimism as JP?

    I am very confident they will both have careers.

    Dylan Strome is of a type. Big, very skilled, coachable, and I think at this point we could probably safely add hard working. But still figuring out how skate and think like an NHL player.

    There have been many players like him in the NHL over the years and there will be many more. Big Centers with great hands and above average hockey IQS never go out of style. But Dylan is a fine example of the type. He is going to have to work hard to establish himself in the NHL and even harder to stay in the league. Strome has a lot of positive arrows.

    Jesse Puljujarvi is not of a type. It is actually hard to imagine a comparable. Every once in awhile he reminds you he has all world talent and all the physical tools to use that talent to be a game changer.

    However, Jesse also has times he seems both lost and trying too hard. He attempts plays that are low percentage and that blow up in his face. He is having real growing pains. And fans are noticing.

    In summary Dylan Strome is likely to have a long pro career as a useful top six player. He won’t lift a lot of bums out of seats. He will be remembered as a useful pro who got off to a slow start and then more than covered his draft bet.

    Jesse Puljujarvi is likely to be a bust. He is equally likely to win a Conn Smythe trophy while leading his team to the Stanley Cup. Either way Jesse will be remembered for decades to come by Oilers fans.

    I will end by saying I think Jesse Puljujarvi will end up the poster boy for teams that gamble big on unorthodox talents and then patiently nurture that talent. When he arrives he won’t just lift bums out of seats he will lift the Stanley Cup – over and over again and steal fans hearts.

  140. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    and, thankfully, our GM has proven to be future-looking

    *looks at McDavid Off GF% 3 of his 4 years*

    *looks the the Lucic and Russell contracts*

    *looks at Pete buying out Korpikoski and Gryba*

    Imma gonna have to disagree with you there Normie

  141. bcoil says:

    HenryDrix,

    Yes but you have only been watching Peter C and Todd M’s team for 4 years. And it is coming together nicely .Let go of the previous 8 years and you will enjoy this rendition a whole lot more .

  142. BONE207 says:

    Hey LT…my favorite Johnny Cash song…

    The game last night wasn’t perfect & you’d like the team to have a more sustained offense. Perhaps they are emulating the Eskimos. What most concerns me is the depth. Who can we trust to replace the next injury? Defense playing 30 minutes per night and no scoring from non-97 sources. Oilers walking the tightrope once again. Just keep walking boys…but don’t look down.

  143. hunter1909 says:

    VOR: Jesse Puljujarvi is likely to be a bust.

    I know I’m not exactly the sharpest knife in the Lowetide drawer, but playing JP anywhere but the 4th line is crazy/stupid.

    Give the kid zero expectations, so he can settle into the NHL, while providing dynamite potentially to that 4th line.

  144. pts2pndr says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I’m in London right now. Had a fun time going to the nfl game

    – very few would have thought we’d be 500 right now.

    – I kind of disagree with the assessment (no surprise). I think the expectation was 2-4 and knives out

    – Talbot 2nd goal.An elite team saves that and we win the game.

    – after 6 games we are much better than consensus imo.

    As I recall, in the picture were the two Oiler D and Talbot and I counted four Nashville players. It looked like a bad line change caused by a a let down with the short handed goal. Our team is still fragile and building confidence. These things happen. Talbot may have been some what screened on the shot as Nurse was trying to cover the shooter while guarding against the player driving the middle. I look at this as a couple of minutes the team would love to have back and a good learning experience

  145. Lowetide says:

    BONE207:
    Hey LT…my favorite Johnny Cash song…

    The game last night wasn’t perfect & you’d like the team to have a more sustained offense. Perhaps they are emulating the Eskimos. What most concerns me is the depth. Who can we trust to replace the next injury? Defense playing 30 minutes per night and no scoring from non-97 sources. Oilers walking the tightrope once again. Just keep walking boys…but don’t look down.

    Me too. I liked the Kristofferson original more because it was slower, but that line about Sunday has always stayed with me. I think the season is a build, the Oilers auditioned the 1994’s last season and may not have any keepers (although I remain hopeful Khaira can find the form).

    I don’t think the playoffs are as important as finding solutions to problems. Bill James wrote a chapter about the fledgling Minnesota Twins in about 1984 called ‘that was one ugly baby’ about losing 90 games but getting solutions throughout the order and in the pitching staff who were young and could grow. That’s my hope for this season, even more than the playoffs.

  146. PerryK says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think Trent Yawney is already starting to show his value.

    Did you guys notice how aggressive the d-men were at closing gaps at our blueline?In particular Kris Russell – Kris Russell has been one of the worst d-men in the NHL at giving up the blue line, not defending the blue line and closing the gap. He was super aggressive at defending the line last nice and very effective at it – that has to be 100% coaching.

    Yes! The zone denials were outstanding last night. The zone entries were also better. But once you claim the ozone, you need someone ready to accept a pass! That was a big problem last night. Baby steps, I guess!

  147. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909:
    Worrying about losing players to expansion drafts is such a signal of pure fucking incompetence that it’s not even funny anymore. Am assuming the Oilers are as terrified as some of the Lowetide posters here who at least have the excuse that they’re not running anything directly.

    Good teams know how to manage their assets. Kevin Lowe teams learn by bitter experience then go to the press and say shit like “Boy we have a lot of defencemen” etc. Or announce to the world “We’re open for business” while the rest of the NHL is smart enough to stay away and humiliate them by not contacting them etc.

    Personally I haven’t got a clue how to manage this rubbish. All I know is, the Oilers are a low expectation, useless team of scroungers who steal top draft picks and ruin them so routinely there isn’t even any argument left to counter this usually over the top statement. Yes, the Oilers are the NHL’s poster boys for wasting assets.

    Hunter…you switched from beer to whiskey, didn’t you? A little early no?

  148. hunter1909 says:

    BONE207: Hunter…you switched from beer to whiskey, didn’t you? A little early no?

    You don’t seem particularly bright. Do you work for the Oilers?

  149. BONE207 says:

    Richard Roma: I’m not sure if you’re that paranoid or just trying to be funny.

    My random guess is Pickering Ontario.

    I think London. Not sure if that’s Ontario or England. Drinks some kind of 12 year old scotch…when he really ties it on.

  150. Jethro Tull says:

    Richard Roma: Yes. He is.

    Must be the connection. Drake like Hunter1909 is a scrappy little guy who gets in hard on the forecheck, dusts it up when needed, chips in with some offense, and his teammates generally seem to like him.

    Leaves it all on the ice and gives 110%. Wait….is Hunter Fernando Pisani?

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    OriginalPouzar,

    and, thankfully, our GM has proven to be future-looking

    *looks at McDavid Off GF% 3 of his 4 years*

    *looks the the Lucic and Russell contracts*

    *looks at Pete buying out Korpikoski and Gryba*

    Imma gonna have to disagree with you there Normie

    This off-season is kind of proof that he is looking beyond just this year notwithstanding the pressure on him and the team.

    If he wasn’t looking at all to the future there is no way he keeps the 10th and Puljujarvi and Yamamoto, etc. and doesn’t make trades for immediate help. If he wasn’t looking to the future, we likely don’t sign Brodziak and Rieder and trade the 10th and Puljujarvi for Max P. and Michael McCarron or something silly like that.

  152. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: Leaves it all on the ice and gives 110%. Wait….is Hunter Fernando Pisani?

    *Petr Klima*

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    LT: I know there is leeway here and this isn’t attacking fellow members but are we really going to allow post after post using descriptors for Chiarelli along the lines of: “fucking moron”, “mustache wearing tramp”, etc.?

    Not to speak for you but I’m guessing you are looking for a bit of a higher level from the community you’ve built.

  154. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    LT: I know there is leeway here and this isn’t attacking fellow members but are we really going to allow post after post using descriptors for Chiarelli along the lines of: “fucking moron”, “mustache wearing tramp”, etc.?

    Not to speak for you but I’m guessing you are looking for a bit of a higher level from the community you’ve built.

    Okay. I’ll tone it down. Just for you.

  155. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Me too. I liked the Kristofferson original more because it was slower, but that line about Sunday has always stayed with me.

    I have an old doc about Kris K. who said that the song was written because Sunday is a “family day” and naturally those who spend their nights out late haven’t got anything to offer. Fairly obvious thinking, but the way he said it, coming from the writer was great.

  156. russ99 says:

    Both the Strome and Leon lines had some effective cycles leading to good scoring chances.

    The book on the Oilers is to deny them the middle of the ice, so the more effective we are on the cycle the more opposition has to adjust and open lanes, the better we’ll be.

    The other thing we can do to open up offense when Connor is off the ice is get more shots on net. Too many are way off target.

  157. VOR says:

    hunter1909: I know I’m not exactly the sharpest knife in the Lowetide drawer, but playing JP anywhere but the 4th line is crazy/stupid.

    Give the kid zero expectations, so he can settle into the NHL, while providing dynamite potentially to that 4th line.

    I actually never said where I would play him nor how I would develop him. That was not germane to the question I was answering. I was responding to workaround account and said I am optimistic about the futures of both Jesse Puljujarvi and Dylan Strome.

    That said I see real differences. Both the risk and the reward are higher with Jesse. Unique talents are very hard to evaluate or predict.

  158. Professor Q says:

    Did I miss a trade today?

    Why is everyone talking about our new 4th line centre, Dylan Strome?

  159. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Regarding the potential of exposing Larsson to the expansion draft, how does his modified no trade clause affect his eligibility? Per Cap Friendly, it starts this year where he submits an eight team no trade list through the end of his contract in 2020/21.

  160. who says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Regarding the potential of exposing Larsson to the expansion draft, how does his modified no trade clause affect his eligibility?Per Cap Friendly, it starts this year where he submits an eight team no trade list through the end of his contract in 2020/21.

    Doubt very much the Oilers will be exposing Larsson to the expansion draft.

  161. Richard Roma says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I’m in London right now. Had a fun time going to the nfl game

    – very few would have thought we’d be 500 right now.

    – I kind of disagree with the assessment (no surprise). I think the expectation was 2-4 and knives out

    – Talbot 2nd goal.An elite team saves that and we win the game.

    – after 6 games we are much better than consensus imo.

    – How bout that secondary scoring?

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Regarding the potential of exposing Larsson to the expansion draft, how does his modified no trade clause affect his eligibility?Per Cap Friendly, it starts this year where he submits an eight team no trade list through the end of his contract in 2020/21.

    No Trade Clauses have zero effect, only No Movement Clauses.

  163. Richard Roma says:

    VOR: I actually never said where I would play him nor how I would develop him. That was not germane to the question I was answering. I was responding to workaround account and said I am optimistic about the futures of both Jesse Puljujarvi and Dylan Strome.

    That said I see real differences. Both the risk and the reward are higher with Jesse. Unique talents are very hard to evaluate or predict.

    I am curious what people see in JP. I don’t mean that in a disparaging manner towards either other posters or JP himself.

    I mean, there’s the obvious… He has a large frame and he gets around the rink pretty good.

    He can carry the puck though less so than I remember Magnus doing so.

    JP’s not really skilled or dynamic enough to beat guys one on one at the offensive blue line which was one of Yak’s issues.

    Cleaning up garbage around the net facilitated by his long reach is one strength.

    He’s not an elite playmaker nor does he really work well with give-and-go type plays making reads off his teammates. Many have questioned his hockey iq.

    In terms of his shot, he’s got an okay wrister, but I can’t recall any big one-timers or a shot that a guy could hang a career on.

    Compared to PRV, he is less afraid of the dirty areas. He also isn’t as shy about making contact with other players.

    Anyway, some posters are really bullish on this guy. I’m not sure why since I don’t see a ton of upside with this player.

  164. Richard S.S. says:

    Jesse Puljujarvi is teachable. Most of what J.P. doesn’t do or doesn’t do well is teachable, if the Oilers bother. Just comparing him, then and now, some of what he does do well has been learned since he was drafted. I think it’s more about giving him a steady Center game after game after game. Someone who can discuss what they need from him. I’d run him with Draisaitl from now on.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m a big Puljujarvi fan and think the fanbase and coaching should show patience with this kid that turned 20 earlier this year (after the end of the last regular season).

    With that said, for the sake of discussion, what do you think are these teachable attributes that are missing from his game?

    What many see as a possible deficiency is a potential lack of Hockey IQ which isn’t necessarily teachable – having that intrinsic ability to know where to go, how to find the open ice. Part of it may be teachable (improving decision making in the dangerous places on the ice, such as each blueline, etc.) but I’m not sure it all is.

  166. VOR says:

    Richard Roma: I am curious what people see in JP. I don’t mean that in a disparaging manner towards either other posters or JP himself.

    I mean, there’s the obvious… He has a large frame and he gets around the rink pretty good.

    He can carry the puck though less so than I remember Magnus doing so.

    JP’s not really skilled or dynamic enough to beat guys one on one at the offensive blue line which was one of Yak’s issues.

    Cleaning up garbage around the net facilitated by his long reach is one strength.

    He’s not an elite playmaker nor does he really work well with give-and-go type plays making reads off his teammates. Many have questioned his hockey iq.

    In terms of his shot, he’s got an okay wrister, but I can’t recall any big one-timers or a shot that a guy could hang a career on.

    Compared to PRV, he isless afraid of the dirty areas. He also isn’t as shy about making contact with other players.

    Anyway, some posters are really bullish on this guy. I’m not sure why since I don’t see a ton of upside with this player.

    Scotty Bowman is fond of quoting Sam Pollock as saying, “you want to win the Cup you need horses for courses”.

    Keep that in mind when I say not all players mature in the same way or on the same timeline. Sometimes they aren’t headed to the same destination.

    An experienced and well respected pro scout told me, the day of the draft, that we shouldn’t have high expectations for Jesse’s offence. That the obvious comparable was Georges Laracque. Except Jesse didn’t fight and had a much better set of hands.

    Now I don’t know if you ever saw Georges do that thing where he would just take the puck and skate with it for a full shift. The one man cycle some local reporter called it. He almost never scored but he did massively outplay.

    At 23 or 24 Jesse will be Georges. A massive outplayer who can take the puck and play keep away for entire shifts. Imagine if 15 minutes a game with McDavid off the ice the ice tilts into the opposition end of the ice and your defence don’t break a sweat and your goalie doesn’t face a single HDSC. And every once in a while the Oilers score a highlight reel goal. 15 minutes of time someone other than McDavid outplays and out scores.

    Hmm, McDavid outplays and out scores for 20 minutes at evens and Jesse, far less spectacularly does it for 15 at evens. 10 minutes is power play and penalty kill. That means the opposition only have an edge for 15 even strength minutes to make up a lot of goals.

    This year Connor McDavid is on pace to out score by 45 goals. The special teams are headed to being even. Imagine Jesse being on for 40 goals for and 30 against for net 10. So the opposition has to out score the Oilers by 55 goals in just 15 minutes a night.

    In order to understand why Jesse is a horse for a course consider the game he will play when he gets his full growth doesn’t erode in the playoffs. It actually improves. This is why playing on the international stage Jesse tore it up. Possession matters far more as the intensity and quality of the opponent increases.

    So every year he will be fun to watch play keep away in the regular season. But he will have only a small positive impact on the overall performance of the Oilers. Just enough to increase the Oilers chances of making the playoffs. Then in the playoffs he will come alive.

    He is a horse for a course. His course is called the Stanley Cup playoffs.

    I know I won’t change anybody’s mind but try watching him the next time he plays with possession puck support – for example with Ryan Strome. He is already helping tilt the ice a huge amount.

    In time every line he plays on will tilt the ice.

    And gradually he will grow from a coltish kid to a dominant heavy horse.

    Thus the sense of excitement.

    Hope that helps.

  167. Gerta Rauss says:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/seattles-nhl-expansion-application-pushed-forward-rapid-pace/

    https://www.nhl.com/news/seattle-expansion-bid-nhl-board-of-governors-vote-recommended/c-300572368

    These are a couple of weeks old but it’s the first quotes I saw from the league that they would prefer a Sept 2020 start for Seattle

    “The focus for everybody is 2020 and that’s what we’re focused on,” Commissioner Bettman said. “There are a variety of factors that could impact that, including the (arena) construction timeline. The sooner construction can begin, the more likely for an early start. And if everything can be accomplished, 2020 would be the goal. If not, then we’ll go with 2021. But I think everybody’s preference would be sooner rather than later

    That would put the expansion draft in June of 2020 and bring Russell’s NMC back into play(he’d have 1 last year on his deal)

    That would be good news on the Bouchard and Yamamoto fronts however-both would be exempt

    If the expansion draft happens in June ’21, Larsson will be a UFA approx a week after the draft-same with Nuge (both contracts expire July 1 of 2021)

    I’m not sure how those 2 contracts affect your expansion draft strategy, I’m just sayin’

  168. Munny says:

    Dubas took in the Flames-Rangers tilt.

    If someone is going to take advantage of the Leafs cap-hell, please Gord let it be us.

  169. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m a big Puljujarvi fan and think the fanbase and coaching should show patience with this kid that turned 20 earlier this year (after the end of the last regular season).

    With that said, for the sake of discussion, what do you think are these teachable attributes that are missing from his game?

    What many see as a possible deficiency is a potential lack of Hockey IQ which isn’t necessarily teachable – having that intrinsic ability to know where to go, how to find the open ice.Part of it may be teachable (improving decision making in the dangerous places on the ice, such as each blueline, etc.) but I’m not sure it all is.

    I have been close to a 100% sure Jesse was going to grow into a 60 point top two winger but I am getting worried for the first time – help me, OP. He needs to be at the very, very least a high teen goal scorer on the third line.

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Dubas took in the Flames-Rangers tilt.

    If someone is going to take advantage of the Leafs cap-hell, please Gord let it be us.

    How does team in cap hell take advantage of a team about to be in cap hell?

  171. GMB3 says:

    VOR,

    Georges hey. Didn’t expect that one

  172. hunter1909 says:

    VOR: Scotty Bowman is fond of quoting Sam Pollock as saying, “you want to win the Cup you need horses for courses”.

    Keep that in mind when I say not all players mature in the same way or on the same timeline. Sometimes they aren’t headed to the same destination.

    An experienced and well respected pro scout told me, the day of the draft, that we shouldn’t have high expectations for Jesse’s offence. That the obvious comparable was Georges Laracque. Except Jesse didn’t fight and had a much better set of hands.

    Now I don’t know if you ever saw Georges do that thing where he would just take the puck and skate with it for a full shift. The one man cycle some local reporter called it. He almost never scored but he did massively outplay.

    At 23 or 24 Jesse will be Georges. A massive outplayer who can take the puck and play keep away for entire shifts. Imagine if 15 minutes a game with McDavid off the ice the ice tilts into the opposition end of the ice and your defence don’t break a sweat and your goalie doesn’t face a single HDSC. And every once in a while the Oilers score a highlight reel goal. 15 minutes of time someone other than McDavid outplays and out scores.

    Hmm, McDavid outplays and out scores for 20 minutes at evens and Jesse, far less spectacularly does it for 15 at evens. 10 minutes is power play and penalty kill. That means the opposition only have an edge for 15 even strength minutes to make up a lot of goals.

    This year Connor McDavid is on pace to out score by 45 goals. The special teams are headed to being even. Imagine Jesse being on for 40 goals for and 30 against for net 10. So the opposition has to out score the Oilers by 55 goals in just 15 minutes a night.

    In order to understand why Jesse is a horse for a course consider the game he will play when he gets his full growth doesn’t erode in the playoffs. It actually improves. This is why playing on the international stage Jesse tore it up. Possession matters far more as the intensity and quality of the opponent increases.

    So every year he will be fun to watch play keep away in the regular season. But he will have only a small positive impact on the overall performance of the Oilers. Just enough to increase the Oilers chances of making the playoffs. Then in the playoffs he will come alive.

    He is a horse for a course. His course is called the Stanley Cup playoffs.

    I know I won’t change anybody’s mind but try watching him the next time he plays with possession puck support – for example with Ryan Strome. He is already helping tilt the ice a huge amount.

    In time every line he plays on will tilt the ice.

    And gradually he will grow from a coltish kid to a dominant heavy horse.

    Thus the sense of excitement.

    Hope that helps.

    You just convinced me. I think Scotty Bowman is the perfect coach, although I prefer Glen Sather’s style which supports the players.

    Laraque was incredible at keeping the puck. I used to think he was 1.5 Angle Measurement seconds away from being a 100 point player. That’s not very much.

    The analysis loses me after the 5th paragraph because I’m a bit too thick to understand. Nevertheless, my Irish instinct tells me to run to the nearest horse racing track to bet on JP because you don’t always have to be smart to be right.

  173. VOR says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m a big Puljujarvi fan and think the fanbase and coaching should show patience with this kid that turned 20 earlier this year (after the end of the last regular season).

    With that said, for the sake of discussion, what do you think are these teachable attributes that are missing from his game?

    What many see as a possible deficiency is a potential lack of Hockey IQ which isn’t necessarily teachable – having that intrinsic ability to know where to go, how to find the open ice.Part of it may be teachable (improving decision making in the dangerous places on the ice, such as each blueline, etc.) but I’m not sure it all is.

    Jesse doesn’t have a hockey IQ problem.

    Occasionally Jesse attempts low percentage plays where he shouldn’t. Occasionally he wanders into parts of the ice where is teammates aren’t expecting him. He wasn’t low event when the Oilers drafted him, he will never be low event. He was not a up and down his wing player when the Oilers drafted him. He will never be an up and down the wing player. Will he get better at picking his spots. Of course.

    But as I said in my last post, watch him play with Ryan Strome. Jesse is overly ambitious, Jesse wanders. Ryan Strome has no trouble coping. They tilt the ice in the right direction. They certainly outplay.

    Is Jesse perfect? No. Does he make mistakes? Sure. Mostly they are errors of aggression. In time he will learn when to hold em and when to fold them. He will drive play with the very ambition and assertiveness people currently use to argue his low hockey IQ.

  174. Wilde says:

    Richard Roma: You really like JP, eh?

    What do you like about his game?

    This is something I’d rather be thorough with data + video on, but I’ll try to sum it up shortly here.

    It all boils down to the amount of things that Jesse Puljujarvi does well overlapping into areas that are at a premium in the NHL right now.

    Basically, most of his strengths are both rare when in combination with each other, and are extremely important for outscoring.

    There’s three ways to outscore:

    1) Drive shot share without overly negatively affecting shot quality. This is done by breaking up plays away from the puck, and facilitating clean exits and entries. Jesse Puljujarvi carries the puck well, and often gets touches on pucks with his reach and anticipation, signalling that once you teach him where to be in the DZ and he has it down, he’ll be able to intercept or disrupt passing activity. To my eye, he’s actually getting worse at this than he was when he arrived in the NHL, though he is better at turning pucks over on the wall.

    (Little author’s note, the amount of puck support the forwards give the defencemen in the NZ/DZ is talked about plenty, but equal in effect is the amount of puck support given to the first forechecker. Frequently, one of JP or KY will attack the puck, pick it loose, and put their body between their man and the disc only for another opposing player to arrive to said puck first. I’m not sure the cause, or the remedy, besides the obvious.)

    Additionally, by the data so far in both of Jesse’s teenage years in the NHL, he had a positive impact on shot share. Teenagers who do this become men who do this. He was sheltered to a degree, but even against sheltered replacement this effect was pronounced. The 4th best controlled entry generator on the Edmonton Oilers was Puljujarvi, behind 97, 29, 93. He’s right around 70th percentile, out of forwards tracked, in carry-ins, playing for a place-and-chase team.

    There are players in the league who succeed as carrier one trick ponies (Miles Wood, Jake Virtanen, Vinnie Hinostroza, Brendan Perlinie) Jesse having this tool among his others guarantees his long-term employment. A similar player to Puljujarvi in the duality of break-ups and carrying/handling would be Nino Niederreiter.

    2) Drive on-ice shot quality through passing/playmaking. Jesse, by volume, gets a top-six level of primary shot contributions (shots and shot assists), but seems to adversely affect shot quality to a degree compared to the league – but this effect is symmetrical to all the other bottom-nine forwards on his team.

    Players that do this often overlap with players that do 1), but not always. Almost every top-six player in the league does this to varying levels. Connor McDavid is obviously the best, he’s a 16 HDCF per hour player, or something ridiculous like that – which still doesn’t do his opportunity generation justice.

    3) Drive on-ice shot quality through sharpshooting. I don’t predict Puljujarvi will do this. Some will remember how, as a 16 year old in the WJC, he would just wire everything on net – tapping his stick on the ice, rambunctiously putting his back into shots. I think Jesse, as an OZ player, looks for shot quantity for himself – but quality for his teammates

    Players that do this can take an even shot share and outscore with it, off of their own shot – these players emerge early, because no one can stop them. Patrik Laine, Alex Debrincat or Brock Boeser. He’s not one of them. He can beat goalies at a high level only when someone else creates space for him and he gets to one-time it.

    Then, you add the 5v5 play to his potential on both special teams, with his reach and speed on the PK, and his dominance on the powerplay as a boy in Finland – with the ability to one-time pucks as well as make hard passes, and we’re looking at a guy who excels in enough areas to contribute as a top ~15% of the NHL forward, without necessarily breaking 70 points.

    I see him as having second-line ish 5v5 scoring, the ability to add to a powerplay and to a pk, and to be the primary NZ carrier on said second line.

    The way you would use this player to the most success would be to have him on a line with three forwards who skate well, with one of them being a 3) type player. That would make a sustainably plus-possession, high-ish PDO unit.

    e: Well Christ I forgot that was supposed to be short. Here’s the tl;dr

    – things that are most effective in the NHL for outscoring for forwards are breaking up DZ plays and generating rush chances / / clean entries and Puljujarvi has potential for the first and already has done the other at a high level in his teenage years

  175. pdaouster says:

    VOR: Is Jesse perfect? No. Does he make mistakes? Sure. Mostly they are errors of aggression.

    Agreed. There are error of omission and errors of commission. I’ve got patience with errors of commission when the player, Jesse, is trying to make a play. He will get better if he’s allowed to make mistakes without fear of retribution by the coach.

    On that matter, I see a double standard. The puck dies off Lucic stick more often than not these days. He’s a veteran. No excuses. But Lucic continues to be gifted PP1 for his errors while Jesse received “coaching” from the coach for his errors. This and other double standards is why I haven’t enjoyed TMac’s style this year and last.

  176. Wilde says:

    Richard Roma:
    In terms of his shot, he’s got an okay wrister, but I can’t recall any big one-timers or a shot that a guy could hang a career on.

    not sure if I’ll get caught in the spam filter, but here:

    https://youtu.be/HpPl58KQt0M?t=171

  177. Wilde says:

    (also check out Todd’s reaction on that one LOL)

  178. hunter1909 says:

    pdaouster: Agreed. There are error of omission and errors of commission. I’ve got patience with errors of commission when the player, Jesse, is trying to make a play. He will get better if he’s allowed to make mistakes without fear of retribution by the coach.

    On that matter, I see a double standard. The puck dies off Lucic stick more often than not these days. He’s a veteran. No excuses. But Lucic continues to be gifted PP1 for his errors while Jesse received “coaching” from the coach for his errors. This and other double standards is why I haven’t enjoyed TMac’s style this year and last.

    TMac’s the type of coach who, in 19th century Montana silver mining town parlance is the most likely to end up either wildly successful or else getting lynched.

    I’d like to ask the room what percentage of TMac’s success/failure is most likely; taking a wild stab myself I’d start the betting at 60%/40% with a high 70% probability he’s home free by Christmas with the Oilers in the playoff race, and everyone on Lowetide smiling and happy.

  179. Wilde says:

    I should add, to his carrying/handling skills:

    I found two 2016 or later draft picks ahead of him in carry-ins/60, Tyson Jost and Alex Debrincat, both are months older than him.

    As soon as they have him breaking up plays with his long reach, and a skilled, skating partner for him to play give and go with out of the zone, he’s going to generate entries at an extremely high level NHL-wide.

    All this I’d say has to wait until McLellan’s gone, though. Till then, Ryan Strome status quo. Plus Milan. I like that line.

  180. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: How does team in cap hell take advantage of a team about to be in cap hell?

    Problem for problem is the only way. And if we were to come out with the better player, I wouldn’t be too upset. Longshot, for sure, hence the psalm.

    More to the point, and implied: please, Gord let it not be Calgary.

  181. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: With that said, for the sake of discussion, what do you think are these teachable attributes that are missing from his game?

    If they gave him PK time to end last season, I bet he’d have a better stick by now.

  182. VOR says:

    Wilde:
    I should add, to his carrying/handling skills:

    I found two 2016 or later draft picks ahead of him in carry-ins/60, Tyson Jost and Alex Debrincat, both are months older than him.

    As soon as they have him breaking up plays with his long reach, and a skilled, skating partner for him to play give and go with out of the zone, he’s going to generate entries at an extremely high level NHL-wide.

    All this I’d say has to wait until McLellan’s gone, though. Till then, Ryan Strome status quo. Plus Milan. I like that line.

    I want to take a moment and say how much I enjoy your posts. Even when I disagree I learn so much. In this case I think we are on the same page.

  183. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny: Problem for problem is the only way

    I’ve heard that Tavares fellow has been nothing but trouble

  184. GMB3 says:

    Wilde: not sure if I’ll get caught in the spam filter, but here:

    https://youtu.be/HpPl58KQt0M?t=171

    I think that might be the only time he’s ever even connected on a one timer in the NHL. He’s never in a good enough position on the ice at 5v5 to get one off.

    There have been plenty of players who have been big and can skate who lack the hockey IQ to truly be impact players. I know he’s young, but I’m not sure I’ve seen a real improvement in a lot of areas in his game. I don’t know if he’s the player we thought he was when we drafted him. We can revisit this in a few months, and I hope I’m wrong.

  185. Ribs says:

    I wish Puljujarvi was forced to watch Jaromir Jagr videos every time the team flies somewhere. He’s got a lot of the same tools, but doesn’t seem to have the goal scoring mentality and confidence that Jags has.

    There’s no way this guy should be losing the puck as much as he does. Turn your big ass around and grind that thing into the boards like Jagr and Big Georges if you have to. Not many guys are going to be able to get the puck away from you if you do. Pick your spots to dish or break to the net and you will be unstoppable.

    I kind of feel like the speed of the game these days plays a part in this. JP always looks like he’s rushing the play too much. It’s great if you can operate at full capacity at that speed, but it doesn’t look like he can. That’s not great, but there are ways to work around this. He doesn’t appear to have the passing prowess of Joe Thornton, but that is another guy who slows the game down just enough to have his way with opposing players.

    I guess at the end of the day (lol), I’m asking JP to be a smarter and more assertive player. He’s still very young, so this may be possible, but it is critical that his coaches put him in positions to succeed. I think he’s probably the most physically gifted player the Oilers have drafted since Hall (not counting the freak that is 97), and that should definitely not go to waste.

  186. Wonder Llama says:

    VOR: Scotty Bowman is fond of quoting Sam Pollock as saying, “you want to win the Cup you need horses for courses”.

    Keep that in mind when I say not all players mature in the same way or on the same timeline. Sometimes they aren’t headed to the same destination.

    An experienced and well respected pro scout told me, the day of the draft, that we shouldn’t have high expectations for Jesse’s offence. That the obvious comparable was Georges Laracque. Except Jesse didn’t fight and had a much better set of hands.

    Now I don’t know if you ever saw Georges do that thing where he would just take the puck and skate with it for a full shift. The one man cycle some local reporter called it. He almost never scored but he did massively outplay.

    At 23 or 24 Jesse will be Georges. A massive outplayer who can take the puck and play keep away for entire shifts. Imagine if 15 minutes a game with McDavid off the ice the ice tilts into the opposition end of the ice and your defence don’t break a sweat and your goalie doesn’t face a single HDSC. And every once in a while the Oilers score a highlight reel goal. 15 minutes of time someone other than McDavid outplays and out scores.

    Hmm, McDavid outplays and out scores for 20 minutes at evens and Jesse, far less spectacularly does it for 15 at evens. 10 minutes is power play and penalty kill. That means the opposition only have an edge for 15 even strength minutes to make up a lot of goals.

    This year Connor McDavid is on pace to out score by 45 goals. The special teams are headed to being even. Imagine Jesse being on for 40 goals for and 30 against for net 10. So the opposition has to out score the Oilers by 55 goals in just 15 minutes a night.

    In order to understand why Jesse is a horse for a course consider the game he will play when he gets his full growth doesn’t erode in the playoffs. It actually improves. This is why playing on the international stage Jesse tore it up. Possession matters far more as the intensity and quality of the opponent increases.

    So every year he will be fun to watch play keep away in the regular season. But he will have only a small positive impact on the overall performance of the Oilers. Just enough to increase the Oilers chances of making the playoffs. Then in the playoffs he will come alive.

    He is a horse for a course. His course is called the Stanley Cup playoffs.

    I know I won’t change anybody’s mind but try watching him the next time he plays with possession puck support – for example with Ryan Strome. He is already helping tilt the ice a huge amount.

    In time every line he plays on will tilt the ice.

    And gradually he will grow from a coltish kid to a dominant heavy horse.

    Thus the sense of excitement.

    Hope that helps.

    VOR. Dude. Thanks. That does help.

    Llamas stay up llate.

  187. Revolved says:

    I have understood many posters here do not want to break up the first line. Unfortunately, Draisaitl and Puljujarvi do not seem up for driving the goal share against 2nd line competition – yet. Thus, RNH has to be given his own line to eat the tough minutes.

    This would have positive effects throughout the line up, such as:
    – Reducing the need to always run the top line power vs power (less minutes for McDavid)
    – Giving clean air to Draisaitl and Puljujarvi to build some chemistry
    – Better match ups between forward lines would leave our bottom pair D less exposed
    – More stability when injuries hit

    Now, about that fourth line and third D pair…

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    VOR: Jesse doesn’t have a hockey IQ problem.

    Occasionally Jesse attempts low percentage plays where he shouldn’t. Occasionally he wanders into parts of the ice where is teammates aren’t expecting him. He wasn’t low event when the Oilers drafted him, he will never be low event. He was not a up and down his wing player when the Oilers drafted him. He will never be an up and down the wing player. Will he get better at picking his spots. Of course.

    But as I said in my last post, watch him play with Ryan Strome. Jesse is overly ambitious, Jesse wanders. Ryan Strome has no trouble coping. They tilt the ice in the right direction. They certainly outplay.

    Is Jesse perfect? No. Does he make mistakes? Sure. Mostly they are errors of aggression. In time he will learn when to hold em and when to fold them. He will drive play with the very ambition and assertiveness people currently use to argue his low hockey IQ.

    I believe what you just described (repeatedly making the low percentage play (not learning from the mistakes), going to the wrong areas of the ice, etc.) is a description of low hockey IQ.

    Of course he is going to make mistakes, of course he is going to go to the wrong place on the ice sometimes, he’s a 20 year old prospect, however, if he continues to do these things with regularity, notwithstanding coaching, that could very well be a sign of low hockey IQ.

  189. godot10 says:

    Ribs:
    I wish Puljujarvi was forced to watch Jaromir Jagr videos every time the team flies somewhere. He’s got a lot of the same tools, but doesn’t seem to have the goal scoring mentality and confidence that Jags has.

    There’s no way this guy should be losing the puck as much as he does. Turn your big ass around and grind that thing into the boards like Jagr and Big Georges if you have to. Not many guys are going to be able to get the puck away from you if you do. Pick your spots to dish or break to the net and you will be unstoppable.

    I kind of feel like the speed of the game these days plays a part in this. JP always looks like he’s rushing the play too much. It’s great if you can operate at full capacity at that speed, but it doesn’t look like he can. That’s not great, but there are ways to work around this. He doesn’t appear to have the passing prowess of Joe Thornton, but that is another guy who slows the game down just enough to have his way with opposing players.

    I guess at the end of the day (lol), I’m asking JP to be a smarter and more assertive player. He’s still very young, so this may be possible, but it is critical that his coaches put him in positions to succeed. I think he’s probably the most physically gifted player the Oilers have drafted since Hall (not counting the freak that is 97), and that should definitely not go to waste.

    Jagr had Bob Johnson as his coach entering the NHL, not our guy. Big difference.

    They let Jagr play. Puljujarvi has been discombobulated by the restrictor plates McLellan put on him.

  190. godot10 says:

    Revolved:
    I have understood many posters here do not want to break up the first line. Unfortunately, Draisaitl and Puljujarvi do not seem up for driving the goal share against 2nd line competition – yet. Thus, RNH has to be given his own line to eat the tough minutes.

    This would have positive effects throughout the line up, such as:
    – Reducing the need to always run the top line power vs power (less minutes for McDavid)
    – Giving clean air to Draisaitl and Puljujarvi to build some chemistry
    – Better match ups between forward lines would leave our bottom pair D less exposed
    – More stability when injuries hit

    Now, about that fourth line and third D pair…

    The best chance for Oiler “success” this year is McDavid and Nugent-Hopkins driving 65% goal share in their minutes.

    Draisaitl is going to be a centre. He has his contract. Both the team and the player have to endure the growing pains.

  191. Tye says:

    Anybody hear McD’s postgame?
    According to John Shannon our captians post game interview included a “shot across the bow” that was aimed at his teamates.

    Link to Mr. Shannon on Tim&Sid
    https://youtu.be/oGBK9CgYp4A

  192. russ99 says:

    godot10: The best chance for Oiler “success” this year is McDavid and Nugent-Hopkins driving 65% goal share in their minutes.

    Draisaitl is going to be a centre. He has his contract. Both the team and the player have to endure the growing pains.

    The thing is McDavid can drive that success with or without Nuge.

    The McDavid – Draisaitl pair has a lot longer track record of success than Nuge – McDavid, and with opposition taking the center and traditional rush lanes away from the Oilers, the first rush with Nuge and McDavid isn’t as successful as you’d think. If Rattie were healthy, he’d be the keeper on that line, since he’s getting to the net, recovering the puck and making plays under pressure which has been the weaker point of Nuge’s game for some time. Would love to see some real analysis than the hill you’re dying on that Nuge has to be a rush winger.

    If we had other wingers who were contributing it would be a done deal. The trick is, if we make Nuge a center, who moves up? Leon for now, but I’d prefer to run Nuge – Leon when Rattie comes back.

    IMO, we should change this up based on opposition. I’d line match at home against tougher opponents with Nuge at center, and shift him to wing on the road and vs. weaker opponents.

  193. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Drake Caggiula might be hearing footsteps as the Oilers look for offence to replace injured Ty Rattie

    https://theathletic.com/604122/2018/10/22/ty-rattie-on-ir-and-drake-caggiula-might-be-hearing-footsteps-as-the-oilers-look-for-offence/

  194. drglen says:

    Cagguila acquitted himself really well, can play up and down the lines, adds an edge, I think his roster big club spot is safe, but might find himself in and out, which is good for the oil. Let’s see how Marody does defensively,… because I think Khaira and Brodzi are not looking like day to day players. But I would also like to see Kassian get more time with McD. He’s very, very fast, and creates holes by default as D has to look out for him. .. if he can keep out of the box.

    The more mix and match from Todd the better imo. Hockey players have instincts and flow, let it happen. Todd reminds me of Victor Tikanov from the old USSR days at times, so it’s nice to see him actually challenging the opposing coach more by actually making adjustments in game.

  195. drglen says:

    Really liking Yamo. Reminds me of Kenny Linseman from back in the day. He’s a threat to score on every line they put him on. Even if he does not score, the threat to score causes a deployment of D by the opposing coach, which should help lead to mismatch somewhere else. So you add it up.. the secondary scoring the oil needs, actually has to come from the 4th line. You need a scoring threat on the 4th line because the opposing chess pieces should be used up on the top three. Question is, who can score on the 4th line? You need a passer and a shooter, or a D shooter.

  196. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ooops, wrong thread.

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