When Two Worlds Collide

by Lowetide

I learned so much about team building from Whitey Herzog. He was the procurement guy for the New York Mets when they won in 1969 and he was the manager of those wonderful St. Louis Cardinals teams in the 1980’s. Whitey’s greatest gift was in knowing talent was more plentiful than most allowed. Whitey was a counter trey procurement guy. His pitchers didn’t have great fastballs, because everyone was chasing the Juggs gun. His pitchers could paint the corner, never walked anyone and worked fast. His fielders were all stunning glove men, Ozzie Smith would do the impossible routinely at shortstop, Tommy Herr was a fabulous second baseman and Willie McGee covered three quarters of the earth in centerfield. Everyone was chasing the home run, so Whitey loaded up on jackrabbits who could hit for average and drive pitchers crazy on the bases.

In doing all of these things, Whitey turned the talent pool into an ocean, and won the NL pennant three times in the 1980’s. There is more talent than any of us imagines, but a team has to be willing to work with players who lack one or more dimensions and to look in every nook and cranny.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Drake Caggiula might be hearing footsteps as the Oilers look for offence to replace injured Ty Rattie.
  • New Lowetide: Kirill Maksimov is tearing up the OHL, three Condors fly high.
  • Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s race against time.
  • Daniel Nugent-HopkinsAsking McDavid to take on Bergeron line at home shows what Oilers are missing.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Hopkins: Remembering Ron Chipperfield’s brief and hellish time as captain of the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Grant Fuhr talks about his journey, drug use and the state of goaltending.
  • Lowetide: Math offers a surprising option for Leon Draisaitl’s struggling No. 2 line
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Patience preached as Jesse Puljujarvi attempts to carve out his spot in the Oilers lineup.
  • Lowetide: Panic storm on the horizon as Oilers remain a one-man show

BAKERSFIELD CONDORS

Edmonton’s farm team has provided the club with solid recall options over the years, but in recent times defensemen (Oscar Klefbom, Jeff Petry) and goalies (Devan Dubnyk) have been a higher calibre than the forwards. That may be about to change. So far this year, Kevin Gravel and (yesterday) Cooper Marody made the flight from Bakersfield and each man identifies the two unique elements of a farm recall. Gravel is a defenseman with NHL experience who can plug in and (hopefully) contribute right away. Marody is a young player getting his first NHL cup of coffee, it’s unlikely he’ll play a huge role for the Oilers this season—but his outer marker impact is greater and he may have a longer career with the team than Gravel. Here’s a one season snapshot from a dozen years ago, which gives us examples of Gravel-types and Marody comps:

The 2005-06 recalls

  • October 15, recalled C Kyle Brodziak (10 games no points)
  • November 4, recalled D Danny Syvret (10 games no points)
  • November 4, recalled D Dan Smith (7 games, no points)
  • November 5, recalled G Ty Conklin (18, 2.80, .880 spring Armageddon)
  • December 7, recalled Matt Greene (27 games, two points, plus 18 playoff games)
  • December 20, recalled L Brad Winchester (12, 0-1-1, big playoff goal)
  • January 31, recalled J-F Jacques (7 games, and no points)
  • February 11, recalled Mathieu Roy (1 game, no points)
  • February 28, recalled Yan Stastny (3 games, no points)
  • March 13, recalled Marc Pouliot (8 games, a goal, mono)
  • May 21, recalled Toby Petersen (2 games, one goal, in playoffs)

This is a really good season to review, because it’s so painful to look back I can barely breathe. If a group of names from 12 years ago is able to make a grown man feel like there’s a refrigerator on his chest, this list does it. Ty Conklin? Come on! Anyway, the “veteran option who can help” group are Petersen, Conklin and Dan Smith. The prospect options are pretty much everyone else. Brodziak and Greene had the best careers but it wasn’t obvious at the time.

COOPER MARODY

The Oilers acquired Cooper Marody from the Philadelphia Flyers at the deadline. Edmonton had Patrick Maroon to trade, the New Jersey Devils wanted him but Peter Chiarelli wanted a prospect over a pick. The Philadelphia Flyers couldn’t or wouldn’t sign college man Cooper Marody, who had emerged with a strong offensive season as a junior at Michigan.

We don’t know if Marody is going to be an NHL player (he is 8gp, 3-6-9 in Bakersfield this season and a portion of last year) but at 21 he’s going to get a chance. I’ve seen him enough to suggest he is highly skilled but speed may be an issue. I’m hopeful they plug him in.

MONEYBALL AND RUSSIA

It’s evident the CHL and USHL are over scouted for the draft, the only way to get a steal is something unpredictable (a player grows a foot after being drafted, etc). College is also well covered and I do think Sweden, Finland and most other Euro countries get covered well.

Russia. That’s the location of great value on later picks, and we know the reason (KHL). The Oilers spent a lot of valuable draft picks on Russian players earlier in the decade (Nail Yakupov obviously the most notable) but have morphed into a team that drafts Russians who come over to play in the CHL. I think that’s a fine compromise, but it’s also true players like Maxim Mamin and Ondrej Kase (technically Czech) are available for an astute judge of talent.

I’m convinced the Oilers are drafting well each summer, but am uncertain about Europe now, today. The passing of Vaclav Burda last summer left the team in shock and (one imagines) without a replacement. I do notice that Matti Virmanen is now listed as an amateur scout and (along with Pelle Eklund) perhaps that’s the workaround. Edmonton needs to be aggressive in Europe, with Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and other countries representing strong hockey pools.

OILERS ROSTER MAKEUP

A cool story by Sam McCaig in The Hockey News today, breaking down percentages of rosters during the first week of the season by draft round. Here are his numbers with Edmonton’s totals in brackets:

  • First round: 40.5 (50)
  • Second round: 16.6 (18.1)
  • Third round: 8.4 (9.1)
  • Fourth round: 6.8 (4.5)
  • Fifth round: 6.5 (0.0)
  • Sixth round: 5.6 (4.5)
  • Seventh round: 2.6 (4.5)

Oilers also have a few undrafted (Cam Talbot, Drake Caggiula, Jason Garrison) players, but the overall numbers are a reasonable match for the average. Edmonton has almost 70 percent of its roster made up of first and second rounders, whereas the average is edging toward 60 percent. I don’t think that’s a bad thing, although you’d like to see more from the later rounds. Ironically, two players drafted by Edmonton (Tobias Rieder and Kyle Brodziak) are back on the roster and fill two of the spots after the third round.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we kickstart a big week of sports. Scheduled to appear:

  • Andy McNamara, TSN4Downs. We’ll chat NFL weekend, and heartbreak for both of us!
  • Ryan Holt, Bakersfield Condors PBP. Marody recall, Bear injury, plenty to discuss about the Condors.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Eskimos are under the gun, Oilers off to a good start.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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OriginalPouzar

Morning skate is optional so we’ll have to wait until McLellan’s presser to get confirmation on the lines (although I think we have a pretty good idea from practice yesterday).

Seems like the skate on game day has been consistently optional over the last bit – I guess McLellan follows WG on twitter…….. or reads this blog.

Ribs

Lowetide: Crap. Not surprised but always liked Gator.

A more sensational headline would have been “Rockets fire Jason Smith, and it’s all Leon Draisatl’s fault!”

I wonder what Gator thought of that Mike Matheson ragdolling of Elias Pettersson!

Woodguy v2.0

VOR,

One of my secret guilty pleasures is baseball spring training. Years ago I watched in amazement as Phil Niekro (and I am certainly spelling that wrong) tried with very mixed results to master the knuckleball. The crowd laughed and booed. He just ignored them and kept on keeping on.

Phil Niekro’s dad taught him how to throw a knuckleball.

Niekro was a knuckleballer since high school and according to him, never threw a fastball, curveball etc:

I remember going to see my dad pitch against other coal-mining teams, and he was successful with the knuckleball. I saw how bad guys would look like swinging, and how guys talked about how he could throw every day and didn’t hurt his arm. That’s how I grew up learning. I never knew how to throw a fastball, never learned how to throw a curveball, a slider, split-finger, whatever they’re throwing nowadays. I was a one-pitch pitcher.

Source: http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=merron/050718

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Woodguy v2.0,

Awesome. Thank you, sir.

Woodguy v2.0

Dr. Taboggan:
Woodguy v2.0,

Finally bought a bottle of Writer’s Tears, it was delicious, very smooth. Any other Irish whiskey favourites in the same price range (less than $100 a bottle)?

Red Breast 12yr
Tullamore Dew 12yr
Knoppe Castle 12yr

I’ve tried other bottles from this distilleries, these are my favs

bendelson

Melvis,

unca miltie,

My Dad was crazy enough to take my brothers and I to a game at exhibition stadium during their inaugural season. General admission, left-field bleachers. Blue Jays hockey stick giveaway day. Madness. In fact, likely my first unruly mob. Somehow, Dad came home with all three kids… and three hockey sticks. We would have been 8,6 and 4 years old.

Wilde

Bos8:
Wilde,

Yep, read your stuff on Marody, Thank you.

The amazing thing is the piss-poor job the Oilers/Condors are doing marketing the product..would it break someone’s ass to do a 10 minutes hilight package per game?

People appreciate quality product.As witness our host.You’re doing good stuff.

Yeah a condensed game type thing would make a ton of sense. I bet they’d have gotten a few more AHLTV subs the day after the first game of the season if they had a highlight package of the blowout

Bos8

Wilde,

Yep, read your stuff on Marody, Thank you.

The amazing thing is the piss-poor job the Oilers/Condors are doing marketing the product.. would it break someone’s ass to do a 10 minutes hilight package per game?

People appreciate quality product. As witness our host. You’re doing good stuff.

OmJo

Playing FHM 5 and what do I come across?

Barbecue Too Hot to Handle for Bear

Oilers defenceman Ethan Bear required medical attention yesterday after severely burning himself while barbecuing at his home. Bear suffered second-degree burns when a flame from the grill he was using suddenly shot up his right arm. “It was a pretty scary scene,” said teammate Adam Larsson, who was with Bear when the accident occurred. “I thought it was going to totally engulf him for a moment.” The fire also singed Ethan Bear’s hair and eyebrows, but luckily failed to ignite the shirt he was wearing at the time. “It honestly could have been much worse,” said Larsson.

(Bear has been injured and his morale has declined)

It’s like Penner and his pancakes.

Wilde

Bos8:
Wilde,

I need some backup on the Condors as I’m yelling in the wilderness and it’s scary out here.Did you do any Condors stuff that I missed?

I did a thing on Cooper Marody, but it’s more about following his progress along with some USHLers from the same draft that ended up in the NHL already, to see when/if he left their company numerically.

I’m tracking micro-tats on the Condors right now, and don’t feel comfortable doing a writeup on trends until we get about a dozen games in, because when I drafted something earlier, the trend reversed entirely after a few more games – would have been pretty embarrassing,

The only pure-Condors article I have up right now is about the last iteration of the team where I complain about the team’s construction when it comes to free agent additions and late-round pick reinforcements.

Lowetide: I hope no one who posts on this blog is sending you that kind of email or message.

I hope so too. 99% sure it isn’t, though. Like I mentioned the other day, I can sniff out digital signatures pretty well, as an internet native.

VOR:
I am sorry you have reached that threshold where people start acting like idiots. Or let their inner idiot out. Civility is a forgotten art.
Which can easily stop people from presenting new ideas.
Please keep on keeping on.

It’s all good. The positive feedback I get vastly outnumbers the opposite and it’s just a part of being out there on the internet. I shouldn’t have mentioned it

unca miltie

Melvis,

yes, good times with the early Jays. I am a westerner but headquarters of the company I worked for were in two great cities at the time. Chicago was world headquarters and T.O. was Canadian. Visited both often. I hate to say it but I was a leaf’s fan too at one time.

Melvis

unca miltie,

I agree. Nice place to watch a game. Also had a lot to do with the times. Downtown TO was very affordable in the late 70s’ and early 80’s.

Short walk from Spadina and Front where I was living. Then in the early 80’s – George Bell, Lloyd Moseby, and Jesse Barfield – arguably the best outfield in the game buttering the popcorn and the beer.

I know Rule .303 was coined during the Boer War, but Barfield owned it with that rifle arm of his. Woe betide anybody trying to outrun it to 3rd. Scooping it up in deep right and the pinpoint throw, knee height to the bag. Unimpeded, it might have continued on, following the curvature of the earth;-)

VOR

Wilde:
Melvis,

Thank you, Melvis. I’ve started to enter the territory where I’m getting nasty messages and emails and stuff, and I knew it was coming, but it’s still a bummer – so hearing good things from people whose opinion actually holds weight to me helps a lot.

(Also I didn’t catch your post from last night, VOR, and that goes to you too)

The NHL draft is the most ‘random’ part of the most ‘random’ major sport. It’s like deep space.

Deep space. Great line.

As you know I am obsessed with the draft. But the more I learn the less I know. I am utterly convinced that there are key foundational principles I am missing entirely.

But as I edge toward them I realize I am on my way to being a stone alone. The number of contrarian positions I hold regarding hockey is growing daily. With each new heretical thought I move further from mainstream fandom. I know what comes next.

One of my secret guilty pleasures is baseball spring training. Years ago I watched in amazement as Phil Niekro (and I am certainly spelling that wrong) tried with very mixed results to master the knuckleball. The crowd laughed and booed. He just ignored them and kept on keeping on.

His pitches behaved in seemingly impossible ways and obviously utterly unpredictable ways. But instead of being greeted with awe his creation was greeted with ridicule. It probably didn’t help that he clearly had no idea where the ball was going to end up.

It sort of brought home how hard it is to innovate anything, anywhere, anytime.

I am sorry you have reached that threshold where people start acting like idiots. Or let their inner idiot out. Civility is a forgotten art.

Which can easily stop people from presenting new ideas.

Please keep on keeping on.

unca miltie

Melvis: Those were the days. I mean that in the sense of a 10th row seat above the 1st base line for a Jays game at Exhibition Stadium for under 10 bucks for a Saturday double header agaist KC.

Nevermind George (haemorrhoids) Brett. The second game of the one I’m talking about went 13 innings. You get there at noon and leave at 11pm. Then you go home and sit in a hot sitz bath nursing your own sorry ass. The real cost of the game;-)

I was staying at the same hotel as the Royals one day and the concierge gave me George Brett’s ticket along the first base line. Got em for free. before the game went to Canadian Sports hall of fame and shed a tear or two at the Terry Fox induction. I loved exhibition stadium

Ryan

OriginalPouzar: Is that what happened, a bad break? I guess I wasn’t watching close enough.Apologies.

Hey. I just activated my Justin Faulk tracker.

He’s at GP 9 G 1 A 4 P 5 +/- +3. Toi/game 2nd on team to Slavin

That’s not bad for a number seven defenseman playing on a stacked Carolina blue line.

Bos8

Wilde,

I need some backup on the Condors as I’m yelling in the wilderness and it’s scary out here. Did you do any Condors stuff that I missed?

Wilde

Melvis,

Thank you, Melvis. I’ve started to enter the territory where I’m getting nasty messages and emails and stuff, and I knew it was coming, but it’s still a bummer – so hearing good things from people whose opinion actually holds weight to me helps a lot.

(Also I didn’t catch your post from last night, VOR, and that goes to you too)

Lowetide: I love the draft. I wanted to build this house without doors or windows but Mrs. Lowetide talked me out of it.

The NHL draft is the most ‘random’ part of the most ‘random’ major sport. It’s like deep space.

Bos8

OriginalPouzar: Is that what happened, a bad break? I guess I wasn’t watching close enough.Apologies.

No biggie. Someone said they were in last place. Okay.

Don’t know the latest but they were 1st in PP and 2nd in PK percentage, outshot their opponents all their games. They’ve dominated teams minutes at a time.

The Crofter has done a good job.

Just sayin

dessert1111

Lowetide: I love the draft. I wanted to build this house without doors or windows but Mrs. Lowetide talked me out of it.

Beautiful

OriginalPouzar

Bos8: He was behind the net, passing to the other D, puck hit a skate and bounced back to a SD player in front, a pass across and goal.Pure bad luck.The whole game was like that.

Is that what happened, a bad break? I guess I wasn’t watching close enough. Apologies.

Melvis

Wilde:
Snuck in a draft post in October, did we??

I kept track of Kase/Bratt Candidates in last year’s draft – Shafigulin, Berggren, Lindgren etc.

This year, I have the added resource of Emmanuel Perry’s extensive NHLe work, that uses the history of intra-season moves by players instead of inter-season, to try to more correctly guess what a player /would have scored/ in the NHL had they played that year, rather than project what they /will score/ once they get there – because of the massive amount of development that happens between years in young prospects.

Here’s the guys hiding from the highest portions of more traditional scouting resources’ early 2019 look despite their advanced scoring, along with a measuring stick for each:

Mikko Kokkonen – 7 pts in 14 games in the SM-Liiga

(Miro Heiskanen ended his SM-Liiga draft year with 10 pts in 37 games – but he was known for his advanced two-way play, decision making, and is a July Birthday to Kokkonen’s January)

Maxim Shabanov – 19 pts in 16 games in the MHL

(Ruslan Iskakhov scored 30 pts in 33 games and Grigori Denisenko scored 22 in 31, but they are both Summer birthday’s to Shabanov’s October)

Lucas Feuk – 20 pts in 14 games in the SuperElit

(William Karlsson scored 54 pts in 38 SuperElit games)

Also, here’s a guy that I feel like I’m in an alternate universe when I look at his scoring numbers and how little buzz he has: Jake Lee.

12 pts in 10 games in the WHL, July birthday, 6’2 LHD.

I’m going to sneak in a positive comment. If you and VOR were restaurants, I’d be noshing there lunch and dinner every day.

Extensive global menus, great chefs, good service, nice atmosphere and interior design.

Keep up the good work. Clap clap.

Bos8

OriginalPouzar: I can’t remember if it was last game or the game before but Willie did make one really really bad pass trying to transition out of the defensive zone that ended up in the back of our net second later.

He was behind the net, passing to the other D, puck hit a skate and bounced back to a SD player in front, a pass across and goal. Pure bad luck. The whole game was like that.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Woodguy v2.0,

Finally bought a bottle of Writer’s Tears, it was delicious, very smooth. Any other Irish whiskey favourites in the same price range (less than $100 a bottle)?

Wilde

Snuck in a draft post in October, did we??

I kept track of Kase/Bratt Candidates in last year’s draft – Shafigulin, Berggren, Lindgren etc.

This year, I have the added resource of Emmanuel Perry’s extensive NHLe work, that uses the history of intra-season moves by players instead of inter-season, to try to more correctly guess what a player /would have scored/ in the NHL had they played that year, rather than project what they /will score/ if they get there the following year – because of the massive amount of development that happens between years in young prospects.

Here’s the guys hiding from the highest portions of more traditional scouting resources’ early 2019 look despite their advanced scoring, along with a measuring stick for each:

Mikko Kokkonen – 7 pts in 14 games in the SM-Liiga

(Miro Heiskanen ended his SM-Liiga draft year with 10 pts in 37 games – but he was known for his advanced two-way play, decision making, and is a July Birthday to Kokkonen’s January)

Maxim Shabanov – 19 pts in 16 games in the MHL

(Ruslan Iskakhov scored 30 pts in 33 games and Grigori Denisenko scored 22 in 31, but they are both Summer birthday’s to Shabanov’s October)

Lucas Feuk – 20 pts in 14 games in the SuperElit

(William Karlsson scored 54 pts in 38 SuperElit games)

Also, here’s a guy that I feel like I’m in an alternate universe when I look at his scoring numbers and how little buzz he has: Jake Lee.

12 pts in 10 games in the WHL, July birthday, 6’2 LHD.

OriginalPouzar

Woodguy v2.0: That’s only for signed free agents, not players already under contract.

If the player had a SPC at the beginning of the season but was on loan to an org in another league they wouldn’t have to clear waivers.

That’s why ROR was thought to have had to clear waivers if he signed the CGY offersheet.He wasn’t under contract to start the season and on loan to another team. He was a FA.

Tolvanen wasn’t under contract – he signed right when he came over – of course, he was Predators property and not even s/t to offer sheets.

OriginalPouzar

Bos8:
Just for general information – the last game the Condors outshot SD 50 – 28.Montoya let in 5 goals on 14 shots and didn’t look bad.

Jones recorded one shot on net.Either missed by a mile or tried to force it through myriad bodies.No thinkee

Lagesson was the best D for the last few games.

I can’t remember if it was last game or the game before but Willie did make one really really bad pass trying to transition out of the defensive zone that ended up in the back of our net second later.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer: He wasnt a free agent

The conversation wasn’t about free agents, it was about sending players to the SHL as opposed to the AHL and bringing them back during the season.

Woodguy v2.0

godot10: Ruotsalainen Rule:Every recall would have to clear waivers.

That’s only for signed free agents, not players already under contract.

If the player had a SPC at the beginning of the season but was on loan to an org in another league they wouldn’t have to clear waivers.

That’s why ROR was thought to have had to clear waivers if he signed the CGY offersheet. He wasn’t under contract to start the season and on loan to another team. He was a FA.

Bos8

Just for general information – the last game the Condors outshot SD 49- 23 Montoya let in 5 goals on 14 shots and didn’t look bad.

Jones recorded one shot on net. Either missed by a mile or tried to force it through myriad bodies. No thinkee

Lagesson was the best D for the last few games.

workaroundaccount

Kinger_Oil.redux: – So how do teams that are at the cap pay for players when there are injuries?

– If we did not have this LTIR “space”, we would be in a position where we could decide that the cost to the cap of calling up players wasn’t warranted?

– Teams that are at the cap, and have injuries, they get penalities for going over the cap?Doens’t seem fair to those teams, who can plan for what they are willing to spend, but can’t plan for injuries

I think it would be more fair to punish a team who didn’t plan for injuries, but that isn’t how the world works. We bail out people who took on bigger mortgages than they could afford, effectively punishing the responsible among us.

Melvis

Bruce McCurdy:
LT: I also loved Whitey’s KC Royals of the ’70s, strength up the middle with a vacuum cleaner at seond base (Frank White) &’another in centrefield (Amos Otis), a gazelle on the bases (Willie Wilson — did you know 13 of his first 16 career homers were inside-the-park?), a master handler of pichers behind the plate (Darrell Porter, who moved with Whitey to the Cards), a couple of deadly bats in Geroge Brett & Hal McRae & a pitching staff without an ace, just guys who could get outs like Dennis Leonard, Paul Splittorff & Larry Gura.

Those were the days. I mean that in the sense of a 10th row seat above the 1st base line for a Jays game at Exhibition Stadium for under 10 bucks for a Saturday double header agaist KC.

Nevermind George (haemorrhoids) Brett. The second game of the one I’m talking about went 13 innings. You get there at noon and leave at 11pm. Then you go home and sit in a hot sitz bath nursing your own sorry ass. The real cost of the game;-)

OriginalPouzar

Roster Emergency Exception. In the event that (i) a Club has Payroll Room less
than the sum of the Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and $100,000 (i.e., that Club’s Averaged
Club Salary is greater than the Upper Limit minus the Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary minus
$100,000); (ii) a Player on such Club becomes unfit or unable to play (i.e., is injured, ill or
disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) or is suspended; (iii) such Club is
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ARTICLE 50 50.11-50.11
unable to sign and/or Recall a Player with an Averaged Amount equal to the Minimum
Paragraph 1 NHL Salary plus $100,000 under the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness
Exception; (iv) as a result of such Player being unfit or unable to play or suspended and the Club
having Payroll Room less than the sum of the Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and $100,000,
the Club has fewer than eighteen (18) skaters and two (2) goalies (“18 and 2”) on its Playing
Roster (pursuant to Section 16.4(c)); and (v) the Club played its previous game with fewer than
18 and 2 (a “Roster Emergency”), then such Club may, beginning with the second game and
continuing with all subsequent games and without any charge to the Club’s Averaged Club
Salary for the duration of such Roster Emergency, add to its Playing Roster the requisite number
of “emergency replacement” Player(s), provided, however, that (i) each such Player may not
have an Averaged Amount that is more than the then-applicable Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL
Salary plus $100,000 (e.g., $625,000 in 2012-13); and (ii) each such Player may only remain on
that Club’s Active Roster during the period of the “Roster Emergency.”

OriginalPouzar

There is a provision in the CBA though for emergency call ups if a team’s cap space is within the min salary (650k) +100k. Section 50.10.e

If you have less than min salary + $100K of cap space ($750K this year), someone gets injured or suspended, and the team played 1 game w/ less than 18F/D & 2G, then they can call up emergency player that makes up to the minimum + $100K & it doesn’t count against the cap.

Credit: Puckpedia with this info.

As you can see, this emergency relief will only apply in limited circumstances and if the team has played a game will less than 18 skaters dressed.

ArmchairGM

Woogie63: if the Oiler’s owned a team in the SHL and our prospects played on that team,

Now THERE’S an idea. Send all the top d prospects to the SHL instead of the AHL.

OriginalPouzar

Lowetide: Crap. Not surprised but always liked Gator.

Its a “what ha have you done for me lately business” i guess – didn’t he have like a near .750 point record over the last two years? There must be something more to this.

OriginalPouzar

Kinger_Oil.redux: – So how do teams that are at the cap pay for players when there are injuries?

– If we did not have this LTIR “space”, we would be in a position where we could decide that the cost to the cap of calling up players wasn’t warranted?

– Teams that are at the cap, and have injuries, they get penalities for going over the cap?Doens’t seem fair to those teams, who can plan for what they are willing to spend, but can’t plan for injuries

In the normal course, no there are not penalties for going over the cap, you can’t go over the cap.

Its not unfair, its the risk for managing your team so close to the upper cap limit.

With that said, a team’s cap usage is calculated daily and, in the normal course, when a team is under the cap, the daily portion is banked and can be used later for acquisitions (which would include adding players to the roster via call-up).

OriginalPouzar

texmex:
OriginalPouzar,

So if Sekera was healthy and playing, and we started the season with 0 cap space, Benning and Rattie go on IR, but we can’t recall anyone because we don’t have any LTIR space?

If we had zero cap space then, yes.

Chaos Magician

Kelowna Rockets fired Head Coach Jason Smith after 4-10 start.
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-239887-51-.htm#239887

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure this is true any more – Eli Tolvanen came over from the KHL in March last year – he certainly wasn’t available on waivers.

He wasnt a free agent

Kinger_Oil.redux

OriginalPouzar: Sorry but your belief is incorrect.

What that is getting at is putting a player on IR opens up a roster spot on the 23 so they can “replace the player” on the roster.They are not substituting one cap hit for another.

Right now, while on IR, the cap hits of Rattie and Benning apply.

If McDavid went on IR, his cap hit would still apply.

We even have cap hits for players in the minors – Al Montoya is in the minors but we have a $37,500 cap hit for him as you can only “bury in the minors” the cap hit of a player on a one-way contract equal to league minimum plus $375K.

Even Sekera’s cap hit still applies right now – its different though as he is on LTIR and that allows us a cushion to go over the cap (which is the only reason we are actually able to add Marody and Gravel right now).

– So how do teams that are at the cap pay for players when there are injuries?

– If we did not have this LTIR “space”, we would be in a position where we could decide that the cost to the cap of calling up players wasn’t warranted?

– Teams that are at the cap, and have injuries, they get penalities for going over the cap? Doens’t seem fair to those teams, who can plan for what they are willing to spend, but can’t plan for injuries

texmex

OriginalPouzar,

So if Sekera was healthy and playing, and we started the season with 0 cap space, Benning and Rattie go on IR, but we can’t recall anyone because we don’t have any LTIR space?

OriginalPouzar

Kinger_Oil.redux:
– I believe this means that the Cap Hit is the total amount of salary cap room that is taken by the “active” 23 man roster.

– So if McD goes on the IR (shudder) he is not on the 23 man roster, his salary while on IR does not count on the 23 man limit: but the value of his replacement’s contract does.

Sorry but your belief is incorrect.

What that is getting at is putting a player on IR opens up a roster spot on the 23 so they can “replace the player” on the roster. They are not substituting one cap hit for another.

Right now, while on IR, the cap hits of Rattie and Benning apply.

If McDavid went on IR, his cap hit would still apply.

We even have cap hits for players in the minors – Al Montoya is in the minors but we have a $37,500 cap hit for him as you can only “bury in the minors” the cap hit of a player on a one-way contract equal to league minimum plus $375K.

Even Sekera’s cap hit still applies right now – its different though as he is on LTIR and that allows us a cushion to go over the cap (which is the only reason we are actually able to add Marody and Gravel right now).

Kinger_Oil.redux

OriginalPouzar: What I wrote was correct and how it works.

Look at capfriendly now – the cap hits of Benning and Rattie absolutely are still counted.

Yup, your example would create an issue and I’m sure the league would intervene in that case – of course, your example is a situation that has never happened and will never happen…..

– If you are on the IR, you are not part of the 23-man roster. I read this to mean you also aren’t part of the cap calculations:

“Players on Injured Reserve do not count in the 23-man limit.”

“Once a player is placed on the list, the Club may replace said player on its NHL roster with another player”

– I believe this means that the Cap Hit is the total amount of salary cap room that is taken by the “active” 23 man roster.

– So if McD goes on the IR (shudder) he is not on the 23 man roster, his salary while on IR does not count on the 23 man limit: but the value of his replacement’s contract does.

* the caveat that they miss min. 7 days, which in Benning and rattie is clearly the case

SwedishPoster

Professor Q: Ah. Interesting. So is the SHL similar to the German leagues where each city’s club is literally a club, with various types of sports teams (full of players, and are those players members?) participating in their respective leagues?

Or is this a bit different?

Yep, it’s similar to the german teams.
Djurgården for example, where Lagesson played last season, has a soccer team in the top flite which is the most popular team by far followed by the hockey team. But they have teams in a bunch of other sports, among others boule and fencing. A real good wrestling team and so on.

The players can be members if they want to but they typically aren’t, well at least not the pros. Youth players and amateurs who represent the club in minor sports are a lot of the time.
The members are in large part the supporters.

Professor Q

SwedishPoster: You can’t own an SHL club. There’s a rule that says 51% of the club belongs to the members of the club, so no club can be owned by a single person or company.

Also there are limitations surrounding when you can bring over players on shl contracts. After a certain date, before the season starts I think, the NHL out clause is inactivated.

So in short. No.

Ah. Interesting. So is the SHL similar to the German leagues where each city’s club is literally a club, with various types of sports teams (full of players, and are those players members?) participating in their respective leagues?

Or is this a bit different?

SwedishPoster

OriginalPouzar: Oilers ownership of the SHL team would change nothing.

The Oilers currently have a signed prospect on loan to an SHL team – Joel Persson was signed this off-season and is on loan to Vaxjo. He could come over mid-season.

Filip Berglund is also an Oilers draft pick playing in the SHL with Skelleftea but he is not under contract with the Oilers (i.e. not a long like Benson to the Condors or Persson to Vaxjo) and we could not bring him over unless he signed his ELC (which will happen this off-season as the plan is for him to come over to North America for next season).

Yeah players on loan is a different story.

OriginalPouzar

godot10: Ruotsalainen Rule:Every recall would have to clear waivers.

I’m not sure this is true any more – Eli Tolvanen came over from the KHL in March last year – he certainly wasn’t available on waivers.