When Two Worlds Collide

I learned so much about team building from Whitey Herzog. He was the procurement guy for the New York Mets when they won in 1969 and he was the manager of those wonderful St. Louis Cardinals teams in the 1980’s. Whitey’s greatest gift was in knowing talent was more plentiful than most allowed. Whitey was a counter trey procurement guy. His pitchers didn’t have great fastballs, because everyone was chasing the Juggs gun. His pitchers could paint the corner, never walked anyone and worked fast. His fielders were all stunning glove men, Ozzie Smith would do the impossible routinely at shortstop, Tommy Herr was a fabulous second baseman and Willie McGee covered three quarters of the earth in centerfield. Everyone was chasing the home run, so Whitey loaded up on jackrabbits who could hit for average and drive pitchers crazy on the bases.

In doing all of these things, Whitey turned the talent pool into an ocean, and won the NL pennant three times in the 1980’s. There is more talent than any of us imagines, but a team has to be willing to work with players who lack one or more dimensions and to look in every nook and cranny.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Drake Caggiula might be hearing footsteps as the Oilers look for offence to replace injured Ty Rattie.
  • New Lowetide: Kirill Maksimov is tearing up the OHL, three Condors fly high.
  • Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s race against time.
  • Daniel Nugent-HopkinsAsking McDavid to take on Bergeron line at home shows what Oilers are missing.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Hopkins: Remembering Ron Chipperfield’s brief and hellish time as captain of the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Grant Fuhr talks about his journey, drug use and the state of goaltending.
  • Lowetide: Math offers a surprising option for Leon Draisaitl’s struggling No. 2 line
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Patience preached as Jesse Puljujarvi attempts to carve out his spot in the Oilers lineup.
  • Lowetide: Panic storm on the horizon as Oilers remain a one-man show

BAKERSFIELD CONDORS

Edmonton’s farm team has provided the club with solid recall options over the years, but in recent times defensemen (Oscar Klefbom, Jeff Petry) and goalies (Devan Dubnyk) have been a higher calibre than the forwards. That may be about to change. So far this year, Kevin Gravel and (yesterday) Cooper Marody made the flight from Bakersfield and each man identifies the two unique elements of a farm recall. Gravel is a defenseman with NHL experience who can plug in and (hopefully) contribute right away. Marody is a young player getting his first NHL cup of coffee, it’s unlikely he’ll play a huge role for the Oilers this season—but his outer marker impact is greater and he may have a longer career with the team than Gravel. Here’s a one season snapshot from a dozen years ago, which gives us examples of Gravel-types and Marody comps:

The 2005-06 recalls

  • October 15, recalled C Kyle Brodziak (10 games no points)
  • November 4, recalled D Danny Syvret (10 games no points)
  • November 4, recalled D Dan Smith (7 games, no points)
  • November 5, recalled G Ty Conklin (18, 2.80, .880 spring Armageddon)
  • December 7, recalled Matt Greene (27 games, two points, plus 18 playoff games)
  • December 20, recalled L Brad Winchester (12, 0-1-1, big playoff goal)
  • January 31, recalled J-F Jacques (7 games, and no points)
  • February 11, recalled Mathieu Roy (1 game, no points)
  • February 28, recalled Yan Stastny (3 games, no points)
  • March 13, recalled Marc Pouliot (8 games, a goal, mono)
  • May 21, recalled Toby Petersen (2 games, one goal, in playoffs)

This is a really good season to review, because it’s so painful to look back I can barely breathe. If a group of names from 12 years ago is able to make a grown man feel like there’s a refrigerator on his chest, this list does it. Ty Conklin? Come on! Anyway, the “veteran option who can help” group are Petersen, Conklin and Dan Smith. The prospect options are pretty much everyone else. Brodziak and Greene had the best careers but it wasn’t obvious at the time.

COOPER MARODY

The Oilers acquired Cooper Marody from the Philadelphia Flyers at the deadline. Edmonton had Patrick Maroon to trade, the New Jersey Devils wanted him but Peter Chiarelli wanted a prospect over a pick. The Philadelphia Flyers couldn’t or wouldn’t sign college man Cooper Marody, who had emerged with a strong offensive season as a junior at Michigan.

We don’t know if Marody is going to be an NHL player (he is 8gp, 3-6-9 in Bakersfield this season and a portion of last year) but at 21 he’s going to get a chance. I’ve seen him enough to suggest he is highly skilled but speed may be an issue. I’m hopeful they plug him in.

MONEYBALL AND RUSSIA

It’s evident the CHL and USHL are over scouted for the draft, the only way to get a steal is something unpredictable (a player grows a foot after being drafted, etc). College is also well covered and I do think Sweden, Finland and most other Euro countries get covered well.

Russia. That’s the location of great value on later picks, and we know the reason (KHL). The Oilers spent a lot of valuable draft picks on Russian players earlier in the decade (Nail Yakupov obviously the most notable) but have morphed into a team that drafts Russians who come over to play in the CHL. I think that’s a fine compromise, but it’s also true players like Maxim Mamin and Ondrej Kase (technically Czech) are available for an astute judge of talent.

I’m convinced the Oilers are drafting well each summer, but am uncertain about Europe now, today. The passing of Vaclav Burda last summer left the team in shock and (one imagines) without a replacement. I do notice that Matti Virmanen is now listed as an amateur scout and (along with Pelle Eklund) perhaps that’s the workaround. Edmonton needs to be aggressive in Europe, with Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and other countries representing strong hockey pools.

OILERS ROSTER MAKEUP

A cool story by Sam McCaig in The Hockey News today, breaking down percentages of rosters during the first week of the season by draft round. Here are his numbers with Edmonton’s totals in brackets:

  • First round: 40.5 (50)
  • Second round: 16.6 (18.1)
  • Third round: 8.4 (9.1)
  • Fourth round: 6.8 (4.5)
  • Fifth round: 6.5 (0.0)
  • Sixth round: 5.6 (4.5)
  • Seventh round: 2.6 (4.5)

Oilers also have a few undrafted (Cam Talbot, Drake Caggiula, Jason Garrison) players, but the overall numbers are a reasonable match for the average. Edmonton has almost 70 percent of its roster made up of first and second rounders, whereas the average is edging toward 60 percent. I don’t think that’s a bad thing, although you’d like to see more from the later rounds. Ironically, two players drafted by Edmonton (Tobias Rieder and Kyle Brodziak) are back on the roster and fill two of the spots after the third round.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we kickstart a big week of sports. Scheduled to appear:

  • Andy McNamara, TSN4Downs. We’ll chat NFL weekend, and heartbreak for both of us!
  • Ryan Holt, Bakersfield Condors PBP. Marody recall, Bear injury, plenty to discuss about the Condors.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Eskimos are under the gun, Oilers off to a good start.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. zatch says:

    I think Kase would object to the “technically a Czech” line. He’s most certainly one, no technicality. Good thing the Czechs and Russians have such warm feelings for each other.

    That Round breakdown really highlights the sharp curve on that graph. Once you’re out of the second round, the odds of landing a player are low and change slowly round to round. Is trading down from the 4th round for multiple picks in the 5th and 6th round a good idea? Could be!

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    I am excited to see Marody play at the NHL level but, at the same time, believe the best place for him right now is Bakersfield – he is a rookie pro that, while highly skilled and already 21, is still finding his way in the pro game – he’s been afforded but a handful of professional games at the minor league level.

    From what I’ve seen, a good stretch of games at the AHL level, a good couple of months, would be best for Marody’s development.

    Hopefully the plan is to have him back in the AHL for the Condors’ next game on Saturday.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    With Gravel and Marody up, we are eating up to close to $1.5M of the LTIR cushion – well over our adjusted accruable limit and banking zero cap space for acquisitions later in the season.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Will be interested to hear what Ryan Holt has to say on the show. He has been completely unresponsive to each and every question on twitter. Maybe the organization will not allow him to provide answers to inquiries on players status (such as Bear’s injury) but a simple response would have been appreciated, just once.

  5. trencan says:

    I think Flames drafted well in previous seasons players from Eastern Europe. especially Zavgorodnyi looks like a steal. He was great at Hlinka tournament, so 7th round was surprise for me. He and Skarek were my black horses previous draft.

  6. Scungilli Slushy says:

    zatch:
    I think Kase would object to the “technically a Czech” line. He’s most certainly one, no technicality. Good thing the Czechs and Russians have such warm feelings for each other.

    That Round breakdown really highlights the sharp curve on that graph. Once you’re out of the second round, the odds of landing a player are low and change slowly round to round. Is trading down from he 4th round for multiple picks in the 5th and 6th round a good idea? Could be!

    I think so. First and second rounders should be treated like gold.

    I would also if possible trade 3 round and down for second round picks. Or as a sweetener in trades. Many teams are understanding pick values much better these days however.

  7. kosiork says:

    “Willie McGee covered three quarters of the earth in centerfield”

    Great line.

    On scouting, I would actually make a suggestion that some teams under-scout college. I feel there are a number of (very) late developing players who could become useful minor-leaguers and/or players at the NHL-level. I think these guys would qualify as the “surprises” teams want/need.

    On that note, Mac-T was in Grand Forks, ND this past weekend.

  8. zatch says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    I think the biggest issue there is, from what I’ve seen, scouts get enamored with their boards, and there’s almost always someone still on the board that the scouts are SURE will get snapped up soon.

    I think scouting is largely a mug’s game, myself.

  9. dessert1111 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    With Gravel and Marody up, we are eating up to close to $1.5M of the LTIR cushion – well over our adjusted accruable limit and banking zero cap space for acquisitions later in the season.

    Isn’t the way this works that the cap gets calculated by day? So say both are sent back tomorrow – they would have only eaten up, I don’t know, maybe closer to 50k total?

    Otherwise if teams keep getting injuries they’ll be over the cap when they have to call players up

  10. Gerta Rauss says:

    dessert1111: Isn’t the way this works that the cap gets calculated by day? So say both are sent back tomorrow – they would have only eaten up, I don’t know, maybe closer to 50k total?

    Yeah, it’s prorated to a daily amount. It’s an item of note, but not a showstopper

  11. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    It’s evident the CHL and USHL are over scouted for the draft, the only way to get a steal is something unpredictable (a player grows a foot after being drafted, etc).

    Size is still an exploitable factor.

    DeBrincat is tied for 25th in the NHL in goals scored since the beginning of last season.

    He had one of the highest point and goal totals in his draft year out of the OHL.

    Still went 39th because he’s 5’7″

    He’s 5th in points for his draft class (2016) behind Matthews (1), Laine (2), Tkachuk (6) and Keller (7)

    Another player from that draft makes LT’s point for him vis a vis Euro leagues.

    Bratt – taken in the 6th round (162nd) is 9th in total points for that draft class.

    Drafted out of Sweden’s 1st division (formerly SEL)

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Ryan Holt on Lowetide: Bear – not a long term thing. An upper body injury. Shouldn’t hold him out for too too long. Day to day – not sure if he’ll play this coming Saturday.

    Not sure why he could respond on twitter to questions – I’ll let it go now.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    dessert1111: Isn’t the way this works that the cap gets calculated by day? So say both are sent back tomorrow – they would have only eaten up, I don’t know, maybe closer to 50k total?

    Otherwise if teams keep getting injuries they’ll be over the cap when they have to callplayers up

    Yes and no.

    Yes, the cap hit is calculated daily. Essentially any amount that a team is under the upper cap limit on a day is banked and accumulates. This is why, lets say a team is under the cap by $1M every day of the season, at the deadline, they will be able to acquire a $5M player.

    Things change when a team is using LTIR relief. There is a new adjusted accruable cap space limit that is calculated at the time the player is placed on LTIR – for the Oilers this year that number is $79,490,332. So any time we are under that amount, we are accumulating some cap space that cap be used to acquire later in the year.

    The Oilers are allowed to go over the $79.5M cap limit because they placed Sekera on LTIR (and, given they were right at the camp when they placed him on LTIR, they can actually go over by almost $5.5M, just a smidge under).

    Of course, when using that LTIR cushion, as the Oilers are now, they are accumulating zero cap space to bank and use for acquisitions later in the year.

    Right now, the Oilers still have a few million dollar of LTIR cushion so they could acquire a player that has a yearly cap hit of that amount, however, if Sekera is activated from LTIR, and, from accounts, he will be, that LTIR cushion goes away, the team will be vastly over the cap and forced to make immediate moves to get under. Essentially they cannot use LTIR relief for any sort of major acquisition if they know Sekera will be coming back.

    So, right now, we are banking zero cap space for mid-season acquisitions and we likely cannot use the rest of the LTIR cushion for acquisitions.

    As for your second question, for teams not using LTIR relief, they simply cannot go over the cap on any day – if a team is right up against the cap, they would not be able to make the call-up potentially.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lines today:

    RNH-McDavid-Yamamoto
    Rieder-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Strome-Marody
    Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian/Chiasson
    Caggiula

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Gravel/Garrison-Bouchard

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    I kind of wish they switched Marody and Rieder just to Rieder to the bottom six where he is actually effective – he has not worked with Drai (nor has Jesse to this point).

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss: Yeah, it’s prorated to a daily amount. It’s an item of note, but not a showstopper

    That is true but using the LTIR cushion to go over the cap and the team’s adjusted accruable cap limit means the team is accumulating/banking zero cap space on a daily basis to use for acquisitions later in the year.

  17. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am excited to see Marody play at the NHL level but, at the same time, believe the best place for him right now is Bakersfield – he is a rookie pro that, while highly skilled and already 21, is still finding his way in the pro game – he’s been afforded but a handful of professional games at the minor league level.

    From what I’ve seen, a good stretch of games at the AHL level, a good couple of months, would be best for Marody’s development.

    Hopefully the plan is to have him back in the AHL for the Condors’ next game on Saturday.

    Marody is 21, a good showing could signal Yammo being sent down, Marody more able to play against men due to his college experience. This makes the option of moving Strome to the wing viable.

  18. npanciroli says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Really unfortunate they didn’t take Debrincat but I love how Yamamoto didn’t scare them away.

    One thing I really like with the current management is they’re drafting much smarter.

  19. Side says:

    Oilman99: Marody is 21, a good showing could signal Yammo being sent down, Marody more able to play against men due to his college experience.

    At what point will KY have enough experience “playing against men”?

  20. Side says:

    Also, a delayed congratulations to Woodcroft for getting bus experience with the Condors. He is now finally qualified to coach an AHL team.

  21. Oilman99 says:

    Side: At what point will KY have enough experience “playing against men”?

    Playing in the AHL atleast until Christmas getting top minutes every game would be the best scenario.

  22. PennersPancakes says:

    Oilman99: This makes the option of moving Strome to the wing viable.

    Isnt it said that playing wing is easier than center in the NHL? Seems young guys often get some time on the wings to get used to the transition than moved into center when theyre more confident. Probably depends on the individual and their skill set but personally don’t love the idea of the pro rookie centering the third line off the bat.

  23. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I kind of wish they switched Marody and Rieder just to Rieder to the bottom six where he is actually effective – he has not worked with Drai (nor has Jesse to this point).

    Marody has probably never played left wing in his life. His first game in the NHL is probably a good place to start.

  24. godot10 says:

    Side:
    Also, a delayed congratulations to Woodcroft for getting bus experience with the Condors. He is now finally qualified to coach an AHL team.

    Bakersfield is in a 7-team division. Bakersfield is in 7th place.

  25. Bruce McCurdy says:

    LT: I also loved Whitey’s KC Royals of the ’70s, strength up the middle with a vacuum cleaner at seond base (Frank White) &’another in centrefield (Amos Otis), a gazelle on the bases (Willie Wilson — did you know 13 of his first 16 career homers were inside-the-park?), a master handler of pichers behind the plate (Darrell Porter, who moved with Whitey to the Cards), a couple of deadly bats in Geroge Brett & Hal McRae & a pitching staff without an ace, just guys who could get outs like Dennis Leonard, Paul Splittorff & Larry Gura.

  26. Bruce McCurdy says:

    PennersPancakes: Isnt it said that playing wing is easier than center in the NHL? Seems young guys often get some time on the wings to get used to the transition than moved into center when theyre more confident. Probably depends on the individual and their skill set but personally don’t love the idea of the pro rookie centering the third line off the bat.

    Why not? It worked so well with Drake Caggiula!

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Marody has probably never played left wing in his life.His first game in the NHL is probably a good place to start.

    Throw Jesse on the left side, he’s played the left side in his life.

  28. Side says:

    godot10: Bakersfield is in a 7-team division.Bakersfield is in 7th place.

    You’re right, my bad. He needs to ride the bus more, it seems. He’s not quite there yet.

  29. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I kind of wish they switched Marody and Rieder just to Rieder to the bottom six where he is actually effective – he has not worked with Drai (nor has Jesse to this point).

    Think about this for a minute OP.
    Your hate for Rieder in the top 6 is reaching Malonesque levels. Would you really want to put an average prospect, in the top 6, on his off wing, in his first NHL game? Just to keep Rieder out of the top 6?
    You fixate on the craziest things sometimes.

  30. Side says:

    Oilman99: Playing in the AHL atleast until Christmas getting top minutes every game would be the best scenario.

    I feel like from the pre-season games, practices, workouts and regular NHL season games, he’s probably already accustomed to what it’s like to “play with men”.

  31. who says:

    npanciroli:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Really unfortunate they didn’t take Debrincat but I love how Yamamoto didn’t scare them away.

    One thing I really like with the current management is they’re drafting much smarter.

    I’ve often wondered about the Benson pick.
    I have to believe they felt he was better than Debrincat. Maybe they had concerns about Debrincats defensive game, or his character? After watching them both play I would have to say Debrincat is at least as good a skater, if not better.
    When they chose KY next year you have to believe it wasn’t a size issue.

  32. russ99 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Also the mid 80’s Astros with vastly underrated defensive 2B Bill Doran, Billy Hatcher playing quality CF in the Astrodome, Gerald Young getting on and stealing and of course Nolan Ryan and Mike Scott.

  33. Tye says:

    Did anybody hear McD’s postgame live?
    It’s not up on the Oilers site, or YouTube channel, & according to John Shannon our captians post game interview included a “shot across the bow” that was aimed at his teamates.

    Link to Mr. Shannon on Tim&Sid
    https://youtu.be/oGBK9CgYp4A

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Think about this for a minute OP.
    Your hate for Rieder in the top 6 is reaching Malonesquelevels. Would you really want to put an average prospect, in the top 6, on his off wing, in his first NHL game? Just to keep Rieder out of the top 6?
    You fixate on the craziest things sometimes.

    I have absolutely zero hate for Rieder, none, ziltch.

    I really like Tobias Rieder and am very happy with the signing.

    At the same time, I like to have players put in a position to succeed. Tobias Rieder is a proven bottom 6 forward in the NHL and a very very good one. He can help the Edmonton Oilers win hockey games when he plays in the bottom 6 which is where he can be effective. Tobias Rieder is not a top 6 player and, when put in the top 6, he loses much of his effectiveness and his ability to help the team win.

    Tobias Rieder in the bottom six has already helped the Oilers win hockey games. Tobias Rieder in the top 6 has not been effective and it reduces the effectiveness of the bottom six.

    Nope, starting a prospect like Marody on the 2nd line probably isn’t optimal. In fact having him in the NHL right now is not optimal. At the same time, he has more of an offensive skill-set than Rieder does.

    While Marody isn’t there yet, he is a potential 2nd line player. Rieder is proven to be a 3rd line player.

  35. russ99 says:

    who: I’ve often wondered about the Benson pick.
    I have to believe they felt he was better than Debrincat. Maybe they had concerns about Debrincats defensive game, or his character? After watching them both play I would have to say Debrincat is at least as good a skater, if not better.
    When they chose KY next year you have to believe it wasn’t a size issue.

    IMO, it’s more of the same groupthink that got us Reinhart. We run the Oil Kings, thus we know more about the WHL than everyone else (“smartest guys in the room”) thus a kid we saw in the WHL is better than one we didn’t see much of away from McDavid in the OHL.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tye:
    Did anybody hear McD’s postgame live?
    It’s not up on the Oilers site, or YouTube channel, & according to John Shannon our captians post game interview included a “shot across the bow” that was aimed at his teamates.

    Link to Mr. Shannon on Tim&Sid
    https://youtu.be/oGBK9CgYp4A

    There was no post-game interview with McDavid on the Oilers website – I listened to that earlier and do not know what Shannon is talking about.

  37. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    If it’s in reference to after hours, Connor Mcdavid was all class.

  38. Woogie63 says:

    godot10: Bakersfield is in a 7-team division.Bakersfield is in 7th place.

    If he is playing the prospects and losing that might be the mission for an AHL coach.

  39. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: I have absolutely zero hate for Rieder, none, ziltch.

    I really like Tobias Rieder and am very happy with the signing.

    At the same time, I like to have players put in a position to succeed.Tobias Rieder is a proven bottom 6 forward in the NHL and a very very good one.He can help the Edmonton Oilers win hockey games when he plays in the bottom 6 which is where he can be effective. Tobias Rieder is not a top 6 player and, when put in the top 6, he loses much of his effectiveness and his ability to help the team win.

    Tobias Rieder in the bottom six has already helped the Oilers win hockey games.Tobias Rieder in the top 6 has not been effective and it reduces the effectiveness of the bottom six.

    Nope, starting a prospect like Marody on the 2nd line probably isn’t optimal.In fact having him in the NHL right now is not optimal.At the same time, he has more of an offensive skill-set than Rieder does.

    While Marody isn’t there yet, he is a potential 2nd line player.Rieder is proven to be a 3rd line player.

    Look at it this way. Rieder at 2LW is kind of like Russell at 2RD.
    Would we like a better player in that position? Certainly.
    Do we have a better player for that position? Nope.
    If you think Marody is a better option at this time then I will start calling you Optimistic Pouzar.
    Right now Russell is sheltering guys like Bouchard, and I guess Benning, from playing tougher minutes than they are ready for.
    Rieder can perform the same function at 2LW.
    He can also provide Leon with some cover in the dzone, much like Nuge does for McDavid at times.
    Also, speed never slumps.

  40. PennersPancakes says:

    Woogie63: If he is playing the prospects and losing that might be the mission for an AHL coach.

    Agreed. Would rather lose a few ex games giving the young guns more at bats. There should be something said about a winning culture but players gotta play. I feel like the AHL team of past was more focused on wins but they never had too many prospects anyways

  41. drglen says:

    I still think the 4th line can score from the D if they have a passer, not just ‘energy’ guys. Yamo is threat to score wherever he plays.. he’s not being sent down. Khaira… maybe working his way out of the lineup. Marody just might stick.

  42. Side says:

    Tye:
    Did anybody hear McD’s postgame live?
    It’s not up on the Oilers site, or YouTube channel, & according to John Shannon our captians post game interview included a “shot across the bow” that was aimed at his teamates.

    Link to Mr. Shannon on Tim&Sid
    https://youtu.be/oGBK9CgYp4A

    Are you able to transcribe what was said?

  43. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Is he not talking about the Mcdavid post game interview after the Winnipeg game? When I watch that interview Mcdavid is not happy. When asked about his record:

    “It’s not something I’m proud of. I don’t think it should be a stat we’re proud of either. It is what it is”.

  44. Tye says:

    Side,

    Shannon on Tim&Sid is in the link.
    But it was actually the Winnipeg post game & apparently the “shot across the bow” according to Shannon was directed not at mgmt, but at his teamates

  45. Tye says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I Just re-watched the interview… Apparently it was the Winnipeg post game. But I’m at work & unable to dig into this right now.

  46. Scungilli Slushy says:

    PennersPancakes: Agreed. Would rather lose a few ex games giving the young guns more at bats. There should be something said about a winning culture but players gotta play. I feel like the AHL team of past was more focused on wins but they never had too many prospects anyways

    For me a winning culture doesn’t help if the players being developed for the NHL aren’t key contributors to the winning. The biggest problem the Oilers have elevating prospects is having them contribute and not just be passengers. As the cap forces established players out success only happens if the new faces can do helpful things especially score at appropriate levels.

    I hope the three Condors and Maximov can keep those PPG and G/GP up to what projects as NHL top 6 levels. I’d rather have Benson and Marody killing it on the 3rd line than wondering if the bottom 9 will ever score again.

  47. Scungilli Slushy says:

    texmex:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Is he not talking about the Mcdavid post game interview after the Winnipeg game? When I watch that interview Mcdavid is not happy. When asked about his record:

    “It’s not something I’m proud of. I don’t think it should be a stat we’re proud of either. It is what it is”.

    He was a bit grumpy. I love how he shuts down things , still being polite, but forcefully- ‘we’ll never have to talk about it again’.

    They sure don’t push him when he’s like that. I hope some of his fire rubs off on the rest of the team. They need to amp up the attack levels on offense, who better to watch for motivation than him? Every touch of the puck is a chance to attack to him. Fire!!

  48. Scungilli Slushy says:

    drglen:
    I still think the 4th line can score from the D if they have a passer, not just ‘energy’ guys.Yamo is threat to score wherever he plays.. he’s not being sent down.Khaira… maybe working his way out of the lineup. Marody just might stick.

    Khaira can fight and play C, the fisticuffs gives him rope on the Oilers. Especially if Kassian doesn’t get it together.

  49. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Oh my god thats a shot across the bow at his teammates?

    No, that ‘s not what that was.

    The National Media is as devoted to putting the screws to the Oilers as they are to pumping the tires of the Leafs. They are co-constituted phenomena.

  50. Richard S.S. says:

    Leon Draisaitl is a good Center, a good passer, a good scorer, good at everything else. He’s just not great at anything yet, but that should come. To be a good Center, he needs regular and consistent time at Center and not playing on anyone’s wing. To be a great Center, needs even more time and much more effort, he’s got the talent. Right now he’s struggling with what he needs to do.

    Leon has played with Tobias Rieder in International Competition and had success. Did he forget how? Jesse Puljujarvi is the best RW he’s had. He should be able to figure out how to work with him. This might be a work in progress, but they will score a lot.

  51. Richard S.S. says:

    McDavid said,
    “It’s not something I’m proud of. I don’t think it should be a stat we’re proud of either. It is what it is”.
    That was a message to his teammates. It was a “shot across the bow” without “throwing his teammates under the bus”.

  52. Tye says:

    Richard S.S.,

    Thanx Rich. As per usual… JS exaggerating things a wee bit…

  53. SwedishPoster says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    It’s evident the CHL and USHL are over scouted for the draft, the only way to get a steal is something unpredictable (a player grows a foot after being drafted, etc).

    Size is still an exploitable factor.

    DeBrincat is tied for 25th in the NHL in goals scored since the beginning of last season.

    He had one of the highest point and goal totals in his draft year out of the OHL.

    Still went 39th because he’s 5’7″

    He’s 5th in points for his draft class (2016) behind Matthews (1), Laine (2), Tkachuk (6) and Keller (7)

    Another player from that draft makes LT’s point for him vis a vis Euro leagues.

    Bratt – taken in the 6th round (162nd) is 9th in total points for that draft class.

    Drafted out ofSweden’s 1st division (formerly SEL)

    If I may be a bit dickish Bratt was drafted out of Hockeyallsvenskan which is the 2nd tier.

    On Marody I think we underrate the level of prospect he is. He was drafted in the 6th round which was at least two probably three rounds later than he should have been picked based on production and skillset(and awesome name). He followed that up with a strong college career that got slightly derailed in his junior year. He’s got hands and playmaking ability as is best traits but is also well-rounded enough to make it in a variety of ways. He needs to work on skating and quicker decision making but imo there’s a player there.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    Coach – “Manny is deeply involved in the PP. Just because you don’t see it on the ice you have no idea how much work he does off the ice, the work he does with the individual players”.

    He went on to talk about Manny still getting comfortable in meetings, etc. and, until he’s fully comfortable, Gully will be involved.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    “There is a chance he’ll get in tomorrow night” – Coach on Gravel.

    He went on to talk about there being a good chance he’ll be in tomorrow.

    I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t.

    I think he can give the team more solid 3rd pairing minutes than Garrison and, hopefully, allow the coaching staff to reduce the minutes of the top 4 a bit.

  56. J-Bo says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I dont get this. When they put Benning and Rattie on the IR doesnt that give them the room to bring up Gravel and Marody? And since there salaries are higher then the call ups, isn’t it actually working in their favour instead of the other way around? I’m not sure how the Sekera situation plays in to these call ups at all. Then again, I maybe just don’t understand these things at all and common sense and logic dont apply to the Salary Cap calculation. Lol.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    J-Bo:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I dont get this. When they put Benning and Rattie on the IR doesnt that give them the room to bring up Gravel and Marody? And since there salaries are higher then the call ups, isn’t it actually working in their favour instead of the other way around? I’m not sure how the Sekera situation plays in to these call ups at all. Then again, I maybe just don’t understand these things at all and common sense and logic dont apply to the Salary Cap calculation. Lol.

    Putting Benning and Rattie on IR does not relieve the organization of their cap hits, it solely gives them roster spots. Their cap hits remain and we add the cap hits of Gravel and Marody which, prior to their call-up, were buried in the minors.

    Sekera is on LTIR, long term injury reserve, which is different than regular IR. LTIR does give a team cushion to go over the cap but its a very complicated structure and using it is fraught with risk and inefficiency.

    I think I have a pretty good gasp of LTIR and how it currently applies to the Oilers – I’ve provided some of that info above but happy to answer any questions if you have, or try to – I am by no means an expert.

  58. 106 and 106 says:

    Woogie63,

    But Al Montoya!!

  59. geowal says:

    J-Bo:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I dont get this. When they put Benning and Rattie on the IR doesnt that give them the room to bring up Gravel and Marody? And since there salaries are higher then the call ups, isn’t it actually working in their favour instead of the other way around? I’m not sure how the Sekera situation plays in to these call ups at all. Then again, I maybe just don’t understand these things at all and common sense and logic dont apply to the Salary Cap calculation. Lol.

    Common sense and logic don’t apply. Once you accept that, you have a chance of understanding the cap/cba.

  60. tollen77 says:

    Tye,

    I think he’s referring to where McDavid said that the streak of him being involved in all of the first 9 goals scored by the Oilers was nothing they should be proud of.

    Shannon thinks that’s a shot across the bow of his teammates.

    My opinion is the media trying to make a story about a quote given after they won a tough game against a quality opponent. McDavid wanted to talk about the win, not his streak.

  61. Doug McLachlan says:

    tollen77:
    Tye,

    I think he’s referring to where McDavid said that the streak of him being involved in all of the first 9 goals scored by the Oilers was nothing they should be proud of.

    Shannon thinks that’s a shot across the bow of his teammates.

    My opinion is the media trying to make a story about a quote given after they won a tough game against a quality opponent. McDavid wanted to talk about the win, not his streak.

    Agree, Connor cheers the loudest when one of the other lines scores – at least that is my recollection, it has been a long time.

  62. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    – I agree with your reading of this but here has to be something missing

    – else lets say 15 guys have the flu bug and can’t play for a week. The 15 guys who get called up. You don’t add their pro-rata salary to the cap.

    – while the cap provides no relief the replacement 15 players aren’t double counting for cap purposes.

  63. flea says:

    There has been a lot of negative press about the Oilers this year.

    McDavid listens to mainstream media for a week trash the Oilers and McDavid about this record as he works his way towards it. Then he breaks it and Gene is interviewing him like it was a good thing, after a week of talking how badly it reflected on his teammates. McDavid was pissed – I don’t blame him.

    Now John Shannon says he’s taking shots at his teammates. If anything, he is protecting them by trying to deflect the news away from his record. Unbelievable!

    Sunday morning on Sportsnet website there is an article up about the Oilers “Regressing” after their loss to the Predators. I chose not to read it.

    We are all guilty as fans, we eat this shit up. Sportsnet knows this is a fragile fan base and they get clicks and attention by writing this drivel day in and day out.

  64. jake70 says:

    Hell has frozen over……NBC bringing a TV crew to do the Wed night REGULAR SEASON game in Winnipeg between 2 Canadian teams. Leafs plus Jets. A pig just flew by my window.

  65. Woogie63 says:

    Question to the group if the Oiler’s owned a team in the SHL and our prospects played on that team, could the NHL team call up players from the SHL?

  66. McSorley33 says:

    I have to say I am curious about seeing both Marody and Gravel.

    In my limited viewings of Marody – I see a player with good offensive instincts and
    a good hockey IQ. How he copes with the pace of play in the NHL will be the question.

    So, having him on the 3rd line seems about right to me.

    However, I see OP’s point about Marody vs Reider in the top 6. Marody – I believe
    – or hope – will be the far superior offensive player. But we have to break him in gently.

    With Lucic moved down to his proper 3rd line role, JP paired with Drai, Garrisoin coming out ( hopefully ) for Gravel and with Bouchard getting a look on our PP1 – I have very little gripe with about our head coach.

    Although, it would be nice if Bouchard had JP to send a one timer to….but I am quibbling now.

    Forgive me Godot – I think Tmac must get some credit here.

  67. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am excited to see Marody play at the NHL level but, at the same time, believe the best place for him right now is Bakersfield – he is a rookie pro that, while highly skilled and already 21, is still finding his way in the pro game – he’s been afforded but a handful of professional games at the minor league level.

    From what I’ve seen, a good stretch of games at the AHL level, a good couple of months, would be best for Marody’s development.

    Hopefully the plan is to have him back in the AHL for the Condors’ next game on Saturday.

    While I understand your thought process I do believe there is value in having a young player see first hand what it takes to play in the NHL. A taste of playing in the show gives added incentive to my thinking! The difference in becoming an NHL player or journeyman AHL player is very small.

  68. Professor Q says:

    Woogie63:
    Question to the group if the Oiler’s owned a team in the SHL and our prospects played on that team, could the NHL team call up players from the SHL?

    You probably could, but likely have to pay the transfer fees still, just like multiple loan transfers at the same time, every time (and not sure how many times per player and per team you’d be allowed to transfer per year).

    I also wonder how it’d work in a regulation league like SHL; lots of scenarios and issues there for both players and teams.

  69. godot10 says:

    McSorley33:
    I have to say I am curious about seeing both Marody and Gravel.

    In my limited viewings of Marody – I see a player with good offensive instincts and
    a good hockey IQ. How he copes with the pace of play in the NHLwill be the question.

    So, having him on the 3rd line seems about right to me.

    However, I see OP’s point about Marody vs Reider in the top 6. Marody – I believe
    – or hope – will be the far superior offensive player. But we have to break him in gently.

    With Lucic moved down to his proper 3rd line role, JP paired with Drai,Garrisoin coming out ( hopefully ) for Gravel and with Bouchard getting a look on our PP1 – I have very little gripe with about our head coach.

    Although, it would be nice if Bouchard had JP to send a one timer to….but I am quibbling now.

    Forgive me Godot – I think Tmac must get some credit here.

    If it were me. I would keep Yamamoto on the 3rd line, and start Marody at RW on McDavid’s line, for his first game, just to see where he is at.

    Marody is a top line player in the AHL. The best place to slot him in his first game is the top six in the NHL. See where he is at, and then slide him down. If you are lucky, maybe you have “Guentzel”

    McLellan has said in new conferences in reference to Rattie, that other teams would call him up and slot him on the 3rd and 4th lines, which is somewhat of a different role than he was playing in the minors, and he would fail.

    It is like he doesn’t follow his own advice. Or what he did with Rattie at the end of last season.

    A bold coach would give Maverick his dream shot.

    https://youtu.be/dMpGhcbUu0A?t=54

    Why put him on Strome’s line? You know, heaven, where nothing ever happens.

  70. godot10 says:

    Professor Q: You probably could, but likely have to pay the transfer fees still, just like multiple loan transfers at the same time, every time (and not sure how many times per player and per team you’d be allowed to transfer per year).

    Ruotsalainen Rule: Every recall would have to clear waivers.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    tollen77:
    Tye,

    I think he’s referring to where McDavid said that the streak of him being involved in all of the first 9 goals scored by the Oilers was nothing they should be proud of.

    Shannon thinks that’s a shot across the bow of his teammates.

    My opinion is the media trying to make a story about a quote given after they won a tough game against a quality opponent. McDavid wanted to talk about the win, not his streak.

    Not to mention, it was days and days and days ago – the non-story is even in the past.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OriginalPouzar,

    – I agree with your reading of this but here has to be something missing

    – else lets say 15 guys have the flu bug and can’t play for a week. The 15 guys who get called up. You don’t add their pro-rata salary to the cap.

    – while the cap provides no relief the replacement 15 players aren’t double counting for cap purposes.

    What I wrote was correct and how it works.

    Look at capfriendly now – the cap hits of Benning and Rattie absolutely are still counted.

    Yup, your example would create an issue and I’m sure the league would intervene in that case – of course, your example is a situation that has never happened and will never happen…..

  73. ruotsalainen says:

    Yup.

  74. Tye says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yea… I’m (like usual) a day or two behind on these things.
    *goes back to lurking*

  75. SwedishPoster says:

    Woogie63:
    Question to the group if the Oiler’s owned a team in the SHL and our prospects played on that team, could the NHL team call up players from the SHL?

    You can’t own an SHL club. There’s a rule that says 51% of the club belongs to the members of the club, so no club can be owned by a single person or company.

    Also there are limitations surrounding when you can bring over players on shl contracts. After a certain date, before the season starts I think, the NHL out clause is inactivated.

    So in short. No.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Question to the group if the Oiler’s owned a team in the SHL and our prospects played on that team, could the NHL team call up players from the SHL?

    Oilers ownership of the SHL team would change nothing.

    The Oilers currently have a signed prospect on loan to an SHL team – Joel Persson was signed this off-season and is on loan to Vaxjo. He could come over mid-season subject to certain limitations i believe.

    Filip Berglund is also an Oilers draft pick playing in the SHL with Skelleftea but he is not under contract with the Oilers (i.e. not a long like Benson to the Condors or Persson to Vaxjo) and we could not bring him over unless he signed his ELC (which will happen this off-season as the plan is for him to come over to North America for next season).

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Ruotsalainen Rule:Every recall would have to clear waivers.

    I’m not sure this is true any more – Eli Tolvanen came over from the KHL in March last year – he certainly wasn’t available on waivers.

  78. SwedishPoster says:

    OriginalPouzar: Oilers ownership of the SHL team would change nothing.

    The Oilers currently have a signed prospect on loan to an SHL team – Joel Persson was signed this off-season and is on loan to Vaxjo. He could come over mid-season.

    Filip Berglund is also an Oilers draft pick playing in the SHL with Skelleftea but he is not under contract with the Oilers (i.e. not a long like Benson to the Condors or Persson to Vaxjo) and we could not bring him over unless he signed his ELC (which will happen this off-season as the plan is for him to come over to North America for next season).

    Yeah players on loan is a different story.

  79. Professor Q says:

    SwedishPoster: You can’t own an SHL club. There’s a rule that says 51% of the club belongs to the members of the club, so no club can be owned by a single person or company.

    Also there are limitations surrounding when you can bring over players on shl contracts. After a certain date, before the season starts I think, the NHL out clause is inactivated.

    So in short. No.

    Ah. Interesting. So is the SHL similar to the German leagues where each city’s club is literally a club, with various types of sports teams (full of players, and are those players members?) participating in their respective leagues?

    Or is this a bit different?

  80. SwedishPoster says:

    Professor Q: Ah. Interesting. So is the SHL similar to the German leagues where each city’s club is literally a club, with various types of sports teams (full of players, and are those players members?) participating in their respective leagues?

    Or is this a bit different?

    Yep, it’s similar to the german teams.
    Djurgården for example, where Lagesson played last season, has a soccer team in the top flite which is the most popular team by far followed by the hockey team. But they have teams in a bunch of other sports, among others boule and fencing. A real good wrestling team and so on.

    The players can be members if they want to but they typically aren’t, well at least not the pros. Youth players and amateurs who represent the club in minor sports are a lot of the time.
    The members are in large part the supporters.

  81. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: What I wrote was correct and how it works.

    Look at capfriendly now – the cap hits of Benning and Rattie absolutely are still counted.

    Yup, your example would create an issue and I’m sure the league would intervene in that case – of course, your example is a situation that has never happened and will never happen…..

    – If you are on the IR, you are not part of the 23-man roster. I read this to mean you also aren’t part of the cap calculations:

    “Players on Injured Reserve do not count in the 23-man limit.”

    “Once a player is placed on the list, the Club may replace said player on its NHL roster with another player”

    – I believe this means that the Cap Hit is the total amount of salary cap room that is taken by the “active” 23 man roster.

    – So if McD goes on the IR (shudder) he is not on the 23 man roster, his salary while on IR does not count on the 23 man limit: but the value of his replacement’s contract does.

    * the caveat that they miss min. 7 days, which in Benning and rattie is clearly the case

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I believe this means that the Cap Hit is the total amount of salary cap room that is taken by the “active” 23 man roster.

    – So if McD goes on the IR (shudder) he is not on the 23 man roster, his salary while on IR does not count on the 23 man limit: but the value of his replacement’s contract does.

    Sorry but your belief is incorrect.

    What that is getting at is putting a player on IR opens up a roster spot on the 23 so they can “replace the player” on the roster. They are not substituting one cap hit for another.

    Right now, while on IR, the cap hits of Rattie and Benning apply.

    If McDavid went on IR, his cap hit would still apply.

    We even have cap hits for players in the minors – Al Montoya is in the minors but we have a $37,500 cap hit for him as you can only “bury in the minors” the cap hit of a player on a one-way contract equal to league minimum plus $375K.

    Even Sekera’s cap hit still applies right now – its different though as he is on LTIR and that allows us a cushion to go over the cap (which is the only reason we are actually able to add Marody and Gravel right now).

  83. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    So if Sekera was healthy and playing, and we started the season with 0 cap space, Benning and Rattie go on IR, but we can’t recall anyone because we don’t have any LTIR space?

  84. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sorry but your belief is incorrect.

    What that is getting at is putting a player on IR opens up a roster spot on the 23 so they can “replace the player” on the roster.They are not substituting one cap hit for another.

    Right now, while on IR, the cap hits of Rattie and Benning apply.

    If McDavid went on IR, his cap hit would still apply.

    We even have cap hits for players in the minors – Al Montoya is in the minors but we have a $37,500 cap hit for him as you can only “bury in the minors” the cap hit of a player on a one-way contract equal to league minimum plus $375K.

    Even Sekera’s cap hit still applies right now – its different though as he is on LTIR and that allows us a cushion to go over the cap (which is the only reason we are actually able to add Marody and Gravel right now).

    – So how do teams that are at the cap pay for players when there are injuries?

    – If we did not have this LTIR “space”, we would be in a position where we could decide that the cost to the cap of calling up players wasn’t warranted?

    – Teams that are at the cap, and have injuries, they get penalities for going over the cap? Doens’t seem fair to those teams, who can plan for what they are willing to spend, but can’t plan for injuries

  85. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure this is true any more – Eli Tolvanen came over from the KHL in March last year – he certainly wasn’t available on waivers.

    He wasnt a free agent

  86. Chaos Magician says:

    Kelowna Rockets fired Head Coach Jason Smith after 4-10 start.
    https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-239887-51-.htm#239887

  87. Lowetide says:

    Chaos Magician:
    Kelowna Rockets fired Head Coach Jason Smith after 4-10 start.
    https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-239887-51-.htm#239887

    Crap. Not surprised but always liked Gator.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    OriginalPouzar,

    So if Sekera was healthy and playing, and we started the season with 0 cap space, Benning and Rattie go on IR, but we can’t recall anyone because we don’t have any LTIR space?

    If we had zero cap space then, yes.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – So how do teams that are at the cap pay for players when there are injuries?

    – If we did not have this LTIR “space”, we would be in a position where we could decide that the cost to the cap of calling up players wasn’t warranted?

    – Teams that are at the cap, and have injuries, they get penalities for going over the cap?Doens’t seem fair to those teams, who can plan for what they are willing to spend, but can’t plan for injuries

    In the normal course, no there are not penalties for going over the cap, you can’t go over the cap.

    Its not unfair, its the risk for managing your team so close to the upper cap limit.

    With that said, a team’s cap usage is calculated daily and, in the normal course, when a team is under the cap, the daily portion is banked and can be used later for acquisitions (which would include adding players to the roster via call-up).

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Crap. Not surprised but always liked Gator.

    Its a “what ha have you done for me lately business” i guess – didn’t he have like a near .750 point record over the last two years? There must be something more to this.

  91. ArmchairGM says:

    Woogie63: if the Oiler’s owned a team in the SHL and our prospects played on that team,

    Now THERE’S an idea. Send all the top d prospects to the SHL instead of the AHL.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    There is a provision in the CBA though for emergency call ups if a team’s cap space is within the min salary (650k) +100k. Section 50.10.e

    If you have less than min salary + $100K of cap space ($750K this year), someone gets injured or suspended, and the team played 1 game w/ less than 18F/D & 2G, then they can call up emergency player that makes up to the minimum + $100K & it doesn’t count against the cap.

    Credit: Puckpedia with this info.

    As you can see, this emergency relief will only apply in limited circumstances and if the team has played a game will less than 18 skaters dressed.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Roster Emergency Exception. In the event that (i) a Club has Payroll Room less
    than the sum of the Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and $100,000 (i.e., that Club’s Averaged
    Club Salary is greater than the Upper Limit minus the Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary minus
    $100,000); (ii) a Player on such Club becomes unfit or unable to play (i.e., is injured, ill or
    disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) or is suspended; (iii) such Club is
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    unable to sign and/or Recall a Player with an Averaged Amount equal to the Minimum
    Paragraph 1 NHL Salary plus $100,000 under the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness
    Exception; (iv) as a result of such Player being unfit or unable to play or suspended and the Club
    having Payroll Room less than the sum of the Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and $100,000,
    the Club has fewer than eighteen (18) skaters and two (2) goalies (“18 and 2”) on its Playing
    Roster (pursuant to Section 16.4(c)); and (v) the Club played its previous game with fewer than
    18 and 2 (a “Roster Emergency”), then such Club may, beginning with the second game and
    continuing with all subsequent games and without any charge to the Club’s Averaged Club
    Salary for the duration of such Roster Emergency, add to its Playing Roster the requisite number
    of “emergency replacement” Player(s), provided, however, that (i) each such Player may not
    have an Averaged Amount that is more than the then-applicable Minimum Paragraph 1 NHL
    Salary plus $100,000 (e.g., $625,000 in 2012-13); and (ii) each such Player may only remain on
    that Club’s Active Roster during the period of the “Roster Emergency.”

  94. Melvis says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    LT: I also loved Whitey’s KC Royals of the ’70s, strength up the middle with a vacuum cleaner at seond base (Frank White) &’another in centrefield (Amos Otis), a gazelle on the bases (Willie Wilson — did you know 13 of his first 16 career homers were inside-the-park?), a master handler of pichers behind the plate (Darrell Porter, who moved with Whitey to the Cards), a couple of deadly bats in Geroge Brett & Hal McRae & a pitching staff without an ace, just guys who could get outs like Dennis Leonard, Paul Splittorff & Larry Gura.

    Those were the days. I mean that in the sense of a 10th row seat above the 1st base line for a Jays game at Exhibition Stadium for under 10 bucks for a Saturday double header agaist KC.

    Nevermind George (haemorrhoids) Brett. The second game of the one I’m talking about went 13 innings. You get there at noon and leave at 11pm. Then you go home and sit in a hot sitz bath nursing your own sorry ass. The real cost of the game;-)

  95. workaroundaccount says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – So how do teams that are at the cap pay for players when there are injuries?

    – If we did not have this LTIR “space”, we would be in a position where we could decide that the cost to the cap of calling up players wasn’t warranted?

    – Teams that are at the cap, and have injuries, they get penalities for going over the cap?Doens’t seem fair to those teams, who can plan for what they are willing to spend, but can’t plan for injuries

    I think it would be more fair to punish a team who didn’t plan for injuries, but that isn’t how the world works. We bail out people who took on bigger mortgages than they could afford, effectively punishing the responsible among us.

  96. Bos8 says:

    Just for general information – the last game the Condors outshot SD 49- 23 Montoya let in 5 goals on 14 shots and didn’t look bad.

    Jones recorded one shot on net. Either missed by a mile or tried to force it through myriad bodies. No thinkee

    Lagesson was the best D for the last few games.

  97. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Ruotsalainen Rule:Every recall would have to clear waivers.

    That’s only for signed free agents, not players already under contract.

    If the player had a SPC at the beginning of the season but was on loan to an org in another league they wouldn’t have to clear waivers.

    That’s why ROR was thought to have had to clear waivers if he signed the CGY offersheet. He wasn’t under contract to start the season and on loan to another team. He was a FA.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: He wasnt a free agent

    The conversation wasn’t about free agents, it was about sending players to the SHL as opposed to the AHL and bringing them back during the season.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8:
    Just for general information – the last game the Condors outshot SD 50 – 28.Montoya let in 5 goals on 14 shots and didn’t look bad.

    Jones recorded one shot on net.Either missed by a mile or tried to force it through myriad bodies.No thinkee

    Lagesson was the best D for the last few games.

    I can’t remember if it was last game or the game before but Willie did make one really really bad pass trying to transition out of the defensive zone that ended up in the back of our net second later.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That’s only for signed free agents, not players already under contract.

    If the player had a SPC at the beginning of the season but was on loan to an org in another league they wouldn’t have to clear waivers.

    That’s why ROR was thought to have had to clear waivers if he signed the CGY offersheet.He wasn’t under contract to start the season and on loan to another team. He was a FA.

    Tolvanen wasn’t under contract – he signed right when he came over – of course, he was Predators property and not even s/t to offer sheets.

  101. Wilde says:

    Snuck in a draft post in October, did we??

    I kept track of Kase/Bratt Candidates in last year’s draft – Shafigulin, Berggren, Lindgren etc.

    This year, I have the added resource of Emmanuel Perry’s extensive NHLe work, that uses the history of intra-season moves by players instead of inter-season, to try to more correctly guess what a player /would have scored/ in the NHL had they played that year, rather than project what they /will score/ if they get there the following year – because of the massive amount of development that happens between years in young prospects.

    Here’s the guys hiding from the highest portions of more traditional scouting resources’ early 2019 look despite their advanced scoring, along with a measuring stick for each:

    Mikko Kokkonen – 7 pts in 14 games in the SM-Liiga

    (Miro Heiskanen ended his SM-Liiga draft year with 10 pts in 37 games – but he was known for his advanced two-way play, decision making, and is a July Birthday to Kokkonen’s January)

    Maxim Shabanov – 19 pts in 16 games in the MHL

    (Ruslan Iskakhov scored 30 pts in 33 games and Grigori Denisenko scored 22 in 31, but they are both Summer birthday’s to Shabanov’s October)

    Lucas Feuk – 20 pts in 14 games in the SuperElit

    (William Karlsson scored 54 pts in 38 SuperElit games)

    Also, here’s a guy that I feel like I’m in an alternate universe when I look at his scoring numbers and how little buzz he has: Jake Lee.

    12 pts in 10 games in the WHL, July birthday, 6’2 LHD.

  102. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Finally bought a bottle of Writer’s Tears, it was delicious, very smooth. Any other Irish whiskey favourites in the same price range (less than $100 a bottle)?

  103. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I can’t remember if it was last game or the game before but Willie did make one really really bad pass trying to transition out of the defensive zone that ended up in the back of our net second later.

    He was behind the net, passing to the other D, puck hit a skate and bounced back to a SD player in front, a pass across and goal. Pure bad luck. The whole game was like that.

  104. Melvis says:

    Wilde:
    Snuck in a draft post in October, did we??

    I kept track of Kase/Bratt Candidates in last year’s draft – Shafigulin, Berggren, Lindgren etc.

    This year, I have the added resource of Emmanuel Perry’s extensive NHLe work, that uses the history of intra-season moves by players instead of inter-season, to try to more correctly guess what a player /would have scored/ in the NHL had they played that year, rather than project what they /will score/ once they get there – because of the massive amount of development that happens between years in young prospects.

    Here’s the guys hiding from the highest portions of more traditional scouting resources’ early 2019 look despite their advanced scoring, along with a measuring stick for each:

    Mikko Kokkonen – 7 pts in 14 games in the SM-Liiga

    (Miro Heiskanen ended his SM-Liiga draft year with 10 pts in 37 games – but he was known for his advanced two-way play, decision making, and is a July Birthday to Kokkonen’s January)

    Maxim Shabanov – 19 pts in 16 games in the MHL

    (Ruslan Iskakhov scored 30 pts in 33 games and Grigori Denisenko scored 22 in 31, but they are both Summer birthday’s to Shabanov’s October)

    Lucas Feuk – 20 pts in 14 games in the SuperElit

    (William Karlsson scored 54 pts in 38 SuperElit games)

    Also, here’s a guy that I feel like I’m in an alternate universe when I look at his scoring numbers and how little buzz he has: Jake Lee.

    12 pts in 10 games in the WHL, July birthday, 6’2 LHD.

    I’m going to sneak in a positive comment. If you and VOR were restaurants, I’d be noshing there lunch and dinner every day.

    Extensive global menus, great chefs, good service, nice atmosphere and interior design.

    Keep up the good work. Clap clap.

  105. Lowetide says:

    Wilde:
    Snuck in a draft post in October, did we??

    I kept track of Kase/Bratt Candidates in last year’s draft – Shafigulin, Berggren, Lindgren etc.

    This year, I have the added resource of Emmanuel Perry’s extensive NHLe work, that uses the history of intra-season moves by players instead of inter-season, to try to more correctly guess what a player /would have scored/ in the NHL had they played that year, rather than project what they /will score/ if they get there the following year – because of the massive amount of development that happens between years in young prospects.

    Here’s the guys hiding from the highest portions of more traditional scouting resources’ early 2019 look despite their advanced scoring, along with a measuring stick for each:

    Mikko Kokkonen – 7 pts in 14 games in the SM-Liiga

    (Miro Heiskanen ended his SM-Liiga draft year with 10 pts in 37 games – but he was known for his advanced two-way play, decision making, and is a July Birthday to Kokkonen’s January)

    Maxim Shabanov – 19 pts in 16 games in the MHL

    (Ruslan Iskakhov scored 30 pts in 33 games and Grigori Denisenko scored 22 in 31, but they are both Summer birthday’s to Shabanov’s October)

    Lucas Feuk – 20 pts in 14 games in the SuperElit

    (William Karlsson scored 54 pts in 38 SuperElit games)

    Also, here’s a guy that I feel like I’m in an alternate universe when I look at his scoring numbers and how little buzz he has: Jake Lee.

    12 pts in 10 games in the WHL, July birthday, 6’2 LHD.

    I love the draft. I wanted to build this house without doors or windows but Mrs. Lowetide talked me out of it.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8: He was behind the net, passing to the other D, puck hit a skate and bounced back to a SD player in front, a pass across and goal.Pure bad luck.The whole game was like that.

    Is that what happened, a bad break? I guess I wasn’t watching close enough. Apologies.

  107. dessert1111 says:

    Lowetide: I love the draft. I wanted to build this house without doors or windows but Mrs. Lowetide talked me out of it.

    Beautiful

  108. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Is that what happened, a bad break? I guess I wasn’t watching close enough.Apologies.

    No biggie. Someone said they were in last place. Okay.

    Don’t know the latest but they were 1st in PP and 2nd in PK percentage, outshot their opponents all their games. They’ve dominated teams minutes at a time.

    The Crofter has done a good job.

    Just sayin

  109. Wilde says:

    Melvis,

    Thank you, Melvis. I’ve started to enter the territory where I’m getting nasty messages and emails and stuff, and I knew it was coming, but it’s still a bummer – so hearing good things from people whose opinion actually holds weight to me helps a lot.

    (Also I didn’t catch your post from last night, VOR, and that goes to you too)

    Lowetide: I love the draft. I wanted to build this house without doors or windows but Mrs. Lowetide talked me out of it.

    The NHL draft is the most ‘random’ part of the most ‘random’ major sport. It’s like deep space.

  110. Bos8 says:

    Wilde,

    I need some backup on the Condors as I’m yelling in the wilderness and it’s scary out here. Did you do any Condors stuff that I missed?

  111. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Is that what happened, a bad break? I guess I wasn’t watching close enough.Apologies.

    Hey. I just activated my Justin Faulk tracker.

    He’s at GP 9 G 1 A 4 P 5 +/- +3. Toi/game 2nd on team to Slavin

    That’s not bad for a number seven defenseman playing on a stacked Carolina blue line.

  112. unca miltie says:

    Melvis: Those were the days. I mean that in the sense of a 10th row seat above the 1st base line for a Jays game at Exhibition Stadium for under 10 bucks for a Saturday double header agaist KC.

    Nevermind George (haemorrhoids) Brett. The second game of the one I’m talking about went 13 innings. You get there at noon and leave at 11pm. Then you go home and sit in a hot sitz bath nursing your own sorry ass. The real cost of the game;-)

    I was staying at the same hotel as the Royals one day and the concierge gave me George Brett’s ticket along the first base line. Got em for free. before the game went to Canadian Sports hall of fame and shed a tear or two at the Terry Fox induction. I loved exhibition stadium

  113. Lowetide says:

    Wilde:
    Melvis,

    Thank you, Melvis. I’ve started to enter the territory where I’m getting nasty messages and emails and stuff, and I knew it was coming, but it’s still a bummer – so hearing good things from people whose opinion actually holds weight to me helps a lot.

    I hope no one who posts on this blog is sending you that kind of email or message.

  114. VOR says:

    Wilde:
    Melvis,

    Thank you, Melvis. I’ve started to enter the territory where I’m getting nasty messages and emails and stuff, and I knew it was coming, but it’s still a bummer – so hearing good things from people whose opinion actually holds weight to me helps a lot.

    (Also I didn’t catch your post from last night, VOR, and that goes to you too)

    The NHL draft is the most ‘random’ part of the most ‘random’ major sport. It’s like deep space.

    Deep space. Great line.

    As you know I am obsessed with the draft. But the more I learn the less I know. I am utterly convinced that there are key foundational principles I am missing entirely.

    But as I edge toward them I realize I am on my way to being a stone alone. The number of contrarian positions I hold regarding hockey is growing daily. With each new heretical thought I move further from mainstream fandom. I know what comes next.

    One of my secret guilty pleasures is baseball spring training. Years ago I watched in amazement as Phil Niekro (and I am certainly spelling that wrong) tried with very mixed results to master the knuckleball. The crowd laughed and booed. He just ignored them and kept on keeping on.

    His pitches behaved in seemingly impossible ways and obviously utterly unpredictable ways. But instead of being greeted with awe his creation was greeted with ridicule. It probably didn’t help that he clearly had no idea where the ball was going to end up.

    It sort of brought home how hard it is to innovate anything, anywhere, anytime.

    I am sorry you have reached that threshold where people start acting like idiots. Or let their inner idiot out. Civility is a forgotten art.

    Which can easily stop people from presenting new ideas.

    Please keep on keeping on.

  115. Melvis says:

    unca miltie,

    I agree. Nice place to watch a game. Also had a lot to do with the times. Downtown TO was very affordable in the late 70s’ and early 80’s.

    Short walk from Spadina and Front where I was living. Then in the early 80’s – George Bell, Lloyd Moseby, and Jesse Barfield – arguably the best outfield in the game buttering the popcorn and the beer.

    I know Rule .303 was coined during the Boer War, but Barfield owned it with that rifle arm of his. Woe betide anybody trying to outrun it to 3rd. Scooping it up in deep right and the pinpoint throw, knee height to the bag. Unimpeded, it might have continued on, following the curvature of the earth;-)

  116. unca miltie says:

    Melvis,

    yes, good times with the early Jays. I am a westerner but headquarters of the company I worked for were in two great cities at the time. Chicago was world headquarters and T.O. was Canadian. Visited both often. I hate to say it but I was a leaf’s fan too at one time.

  117. Wilde says:

    Bos8:
    Wilde,

    I need some backup on the Condors as I’m yelling in the wilderness and it’s scary out here.Did you do any Condors stuff that I missed?

    I did a thing on Cooper Marody, but it’s more about following his progress along with some USHLers from the same draft that ended up in the NHL already, to see when/if he left their company numerically.

    I’m tracking micro-tats on the Condors right now, and don’t feel comfortable doing a writeup on trends until we get about a dozen games in, because when I drafted something earlier, the trend reversed entirely after a few more games – would have been pretty embarrassing,

    The only pure-Condors article I have up right now is about the last iteration of the team where I complain about the team’s construction when it comes to free agent additions and late-round pick reinforcements.

    Lowetide: I hope no one who posts on this blog is sending you that kind of email or message.

    I hope so too. 99% sure it isn’t, though. Like I mentioned the other day, I can sniff out digital signatures pretty well, as an internet native.

    VOR:
    I am sorry you have reached that threshold where people start acting like idiots. Or let their inner idiot out. Civility is a forgotten art.
    Which can easily stop people from presenting new ideas.
    Please keep on keeping on.

    It’s all good. The positive feedback I get vastly outnumbers the opposite and it’s just a part of being out there on the internet. I shouldn’t have mentioned it

  118. OmJo says:

    Playing FHM 5 and what do I come across?

    Barbecue Too Hot to Handle for Bear

    Oilers defenceman Ethan Bear required medical attention yesterday after severely burning himself while barbecuing at his home. Bear suffered second-degree burns when a flame from the grill he was using suddenly shot up his right arm. “It was a pretty scary scene,” said teammate Adam Larsson, who was with Bear when the accident occurred. “I thought it was going to totally engulf him for a moment.” The fire also singed Ethan Bear’s hair and eyebrows, but luckily failed to ignite the shirt he was wearing at the time. “It honestly could have been much worse,” said Larsson.

    (Bear has been injured and his morale has declined)

    It’s like Penner and his pancakes.

  119. Bos8 says:

    Wilde,

    Yep, read your stuff on Marody, Thank you.

    The amazing thing is the piss-poor job the Oilers/Condors are doing marketing the product.. would it break someone’s ass to do a 10 minutes hilight package per game?

    People appreciate quality product. As witness our host. You’re doing good stuff.

  120. Wilde says:

    Bos8:
    Wilde,

    Yep, read your stuff on Marody, Thank you.

    The amazing thing is the piss-poor job the Oilers/Condors are doing marketing the product..would it break someone’s ass to do a 10 minutes hilight package per game?

    People appreciate quality product.As witness our host.You’re doing good stuff.

    Yeah a condensed game type thing would make a ton of sense. I bet they’d have gotten a few more AHLTV subs the day after the first game of the season if they had a highlight package of the blowout

  121. bendelson says:

    Melvis,

    unca miltie,

    My Dad was crazy enough to take my brothers and I to a game at exhibition stadium during their inaugural season. General admission, left-field bleachers. Blue Jays hockey stick giveaway day. Madness. In fact, likely my first unruly mob. Somehow, Dad came home with all three kids… and three hockey sticks. We would have been 8,6 and 4 years old.

  122. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Finally bought a bottle of Writer’s Tears, it was delicious, very smooth. Any other Irish whiskey favourites in the same price range (less than $100 a bottle)?

    Red Breast 12yr
    Tullamore Dew 12yr
    Knoppe Castle 12yr

    I’ve tried other bottles from this distilleries, these are my favs

  123. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Awesome. Thank you, sir.

  124. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    VOR,

    One of my secret guilty pleasures is baseball spring training. Years ago I watched in amazement as Phil Niekro (and I am certainly spelling that wrong) tried with very mixed results to master the knuckleball. The crowd laughed and booed. He just ignored them and kept on keeping on.

    Phil Niekro’s dad taught him how to throw a knuckleball.

    Niekro was a knuckleballer since high school and according to him, never threw a fastball, curveball etc:

    I remember going to see my dad pitch against other coal-mining teams, and he was successful with the knuckleball. I saw how bad guys would look like swinging, and how guys talked about how he could throw every day and didn’t hurt his arm. That’s how I grew up learning. I never knew how to throw a fastball, never learned how to throw a curveball, a slider, split-finger, whatever they’re throwing nowadays. I was a one-pitch pitcher.

    Source: http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=merron/050718

  125. Ribs says:

    Lowetide: Crap. Not surprised but always liked Gator.

    A more sensational headline would have been “Rockets fire Jason Smith, and it’s all Leon Draisatl’s fault!”

    I wonder what Gator thought of that Mike Matheson ragdolling of Elias Pettersson!

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Morning skate is optional so we’ll have to wait until McLellan’s presser to get confirmation on the lines (although I think we have a pretty good idea from practice yesterday).

    Seems like the skate on game day has been consistently optional over the last bit – I guess McLellan follows WG on twitter…….. or reads this blog.

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