Gunsmoke

As a kid, I loved westerns. Movies, books, television shows. Books were tough for the young Lowetide to bear, people bled and died, innocent people abused, there was sorrow, loneliness and a distinct lack of happy endings. Movies had those elements, but there was also a gigantic dollop of humor in most. Television? I loved every damn television western because people died during the commercial breaks and received a small mention when the show returned. Humor was everywhere! Guys shooting at each other all damned day, not a one of them ever got shot. Ol’ Doc on Gunsmoke would save the good guys. The bad guys never pulled through, but they always lived until the commercial. Last night, Oilers versus Penguins, it sure wasn’t television westerns. Blood everywhere.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Todd McLellan finds a suitable spot in the order for Milan Lucic.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Four reasons why the Oilers should return Evan Bouchard to junior.
  • Lowetide: Drake Caggiula might be hearing footsteps as the Oilers look for offence to replace injured Ty Rattie.
  • Lowetide: Kirill Maksimov is tearing up the OHL, three Condors fly high.
  • Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s race against time.
  • Daniel Nugent-HopkinsAsking McDavid to take on Bergeron line at home shows what Oilers are missing.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Hopkins: Remembering Ron Chipperfield’s brief and hellish time as captain of the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Grant Fuhr talks about his journey, drug use and the state of goaltending.
  • Lowetide: Math offers a surprising option for Leon Draisaitl’s struggling No. 2 line

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Gravel-Bouchard went 9-5 in 5:37, 3-2 shots and no goals at 5-on-5. Gravel did take a minus during 1:37 with Kris Russell, who showed up a lot in the GA after having a reasonable run over the last few games. If you’re going to play your first-round blue less than seven minutes 5-on-5, then send him back to junior. Today. Gravel showed well to my eye, I absolutely believe he’s more substantial than Jason Garrison at this time.
  • Nurse-Russell were 23-22 in 17:10, 19-9 shots and 2-2 goals at 5-on-5. Todd McLellan asked the duo to defend Hagelin-Malkin-Kessel, and the pairing went 11-8 in 8:04, 1-1 in goals. The numbers look better than the video, but single events can have enormous impact while also being single events. For me, a lot of the blame goes in lack of roster balance. The top two pairings were asked to play a mammoth percentage of the 5-on-5 time against some of the most skilled men on the planet. That’s not balance!
  • Klefbom-Larsson went 15-21 in 19:01, 11-8 shots and 1-1 goals. I really like this pairing, and I think Oscar has returned to 2016-17 levels. He was not healthy last year, people. This year is better. Went 9-12 in 9:52 against Guentzel-Crosby-Rust, 7-4 shots and no goals. I think that was a success. Klefbom isn’t Larsson down low in the scoring area, but he’s more physical this year and can keep up with anyone in coverage. Larsson surprised the hell out of me. After about 20 lobs to the score clock from deep in his own zone to get the puck out (Oilers need to do less of that, but it’s better than icing it), he sent another dart to Chiasson for a jailbreak and a goal. Music!
  • Cam Talbot stopped 25 of 31, .806. I counted two goals that you’d want your goalie to stop, plus at least one rebound that was ghastly and eventually a goal, your mileage may vary. People are going to rage in the cage about playing the goalie too much, McLellan doesn’t trust the backup.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-Strome-Marody had a very strong game, going 14-7 in 11:15, 7-3 shots, 7-1 high dangers. This line performed well together and in opportunities up and down the lineup. Line went 6-5 in 6:33 against Johnson-Riikola. I hope to see this line again Thursday. Strome’s play on the OT winner is going to have legs as a GIF, but he’s playing very well now despite the lack of offense. Lucic had his best game of the year, delivering five individual high-danger chances and five hits (one of which was a public flattening). Marody impressed the hell out of me with his puck poise, that’s a phrase I never use (got beaten to death at hfboards) but it describes the rookie perfectly. In his first NHL game, Marody played exactly 58 seconds more than Jesse Puljujarvi.
  • Nuge-McDavid-Yamamoto were 16-18 in 15:52, shots 16-4 and no 5-on-5 goals. Were 13-15 in 13:51 against Dumoulin-Letang, 10-19 against the Crosby trio. McDavid played eight more minutes than Crosby, one of the reasons McLellan had to pull 97 off the ice during a late power play. McDavid is the most talented hockey player I’ve seen in my life. Nuge made dozens of smart plays, like passing, being in the right place, curling to reset and be in the play. A wonderful player. Yamamoto drew two penalties and delivered an intelligent shot, but he should have drilled the puck from the slot in the game’s opening moments. He’ll get there.
  • Rieder-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi/Chiasson were 9-11 in 10:03 (Rieder), 7-6 in 6:37 (Pulju) and 3-4 in 2:33 (Chiasson). Leon was 6-11 in 6:43 against Dumoulin-Letang, he was 2-0 against Jack Johnson. Rieder had an extra foot on his skating last night, seems to have gotten comfortable with his surroundings. A deft pass to Chiasson for his first goal, he also forechecked well. Draisaitl had the game we were hoping for, he looked determined and ready to wheel even late in shifts. A lot of pressure on this young man, he delivered last night. Puljujarvi forechecked like a demon but seemed to exit puck battles before they were over, I wonder if the words of the coach are ringing in his ears. He was the de facto No. 4 right winger by the end of the game, with disastrous results. Would McLellan sit the Finn? Yes.
  • Chiasson-Brodziak-Kassian were 6-9 in 6:21, 1-3 in goals. Puljujarvi spent less than a minute with Brodziak and was 0-2 5-on-5 with him. Lordy. That’s going to leave a mark. Chiasson had one of those games that gets you a trip up the depth chart in a quick hurry, I imagine he’ll be playing with the two German forwards on Thursday night. Where does that put Pulju? If you have to ask the question. Kassian’s stat line is the kind that gets you the pressbox, Brodziak would be sitting alongside if they had enough centers.

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 20153-4-0, goal differential -2
  • Oilers in October 2016: 6-1-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in October 2017: 2-5-0, goal differential -8
  • Oilers in October 2018: 3-3-1, goal differential -7

The OT loss last night keeps this year’s model in second place among these four campaigns, behind only the playoff season of 2016-17. The goal differential is alarming, and you’d like Edmonton to be closer to 10 points. That said, strength of schedule this fall is a monster Denver Boot for the Oilers.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM OCTOBER

  • On the road to: Sweden to play NJD (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Boston, NYR, Winnipeg (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Washington (Expected 1-3-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Chicago (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 3-6-2, 8 points in 11 games 
  • Current results: 3-3-1, 7 points after seven games

If you agreed with my projection for this month at the beginning of the crazy, then McLellan’s Oilers have delivered a successful opening. It’s the only rational conclusion available. If you’re arguing the other side after agreeing with me early, you’re moving the chains. I know they’re overplaying McDavid and his line and it’s going to impact his effectiveness. The Oilers should be resting Talbot and that’s a fact. The third pairing last night didn’t have a lot of trust from the coach. After several solid games the second pairing found chaos. All of that is true. They have seven points in seven games against some of the toughest teams in the league. If you’re still not impressed, after agreeing with my estimates, you’re moving the chains. That says more about you than it does about the Edmonton Oilers.

28:12

In October of 2013, coach Dallas Eakins ran Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for 28:12 in a 5-4 shootout win over the New Jersey Devils. The team proceeded to lose five in a row afterward, on its way to a 29-win campaign. I remember the conversation at the time: WHY did they play the Nuge so much? followed by a series of expletives.

I understand the rage, but what exactly do you want the coach to do? He’s buying time, hoping to get Leon right and Strome posting some offense and and figuring out what’s up with Kyle. I can’t argue against the plan, since it is the only one in town.

As for McDavid, at some point the club is going to need to give him some 15-minute games during a laugher. Perhaps November.

JESSE

Do you have kids? I have two of them. What you learn, with two children, is that they flourish in some things, struggle in others and as a parent you are mostly helpless in the outcome. You can support, push, pull, prod, love, cajole, help, but at some point you’re on the sideline living and dying with each event.

For fans of Jesse Puljujarvi, it’s another year of cheering and worry. Many many fans blame Todd McLellan and maybe that’s right, but the coach has a job on the line and last night Yamamoto, Chiasson and Marody all played more and were productive.

We’re on the sideline, living and dying with each event. Heartbreaking, this.

LUCIC

I wrote an item at The Athletic this morning on Lucic and his new home on the No. 3 line. Remember when we talked about the laundry list of things that needed to be accomplished this year? Right wing scoring, No. 2 RHD, backup goalie, et cetera? One of those items was a ‘peace in the valley’ slot for Lucic, where he could deliver offense and be productive. The article looks at McLellan’s handling of his winger and what is happening with Lucic in real time.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning with brilliant guests, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. We’ll get expert analysis of last night’s game and get a good look at that right wing depth chart in the clear light of day.
  • James Herbert, CBS Sports. The NBA season is underway, the balance of power leaning even more westerly than in previous seasons. Who will emerge as the eastern giant among Boston, Philadelphia and Toronto?
  • Jon Campbell, Oddsshark.com. We’ll chat odds on the World Series, the big Florida-Georgia college football game on the weekend and the coming storm that is college basketball (go Gonzaga!)

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. VOR says:

    Lowetide:
    Please be kind to each other. Thanks.

    I am trying.

  2. Glovjuice says:

    VOR: Please provide any evidence you have that 95% of any medical journal is bullshit. I’d love to see it.

    While you are at it please explain how I was condescending.

    I merely said 1. you are guessing. 2. Here is evidence you are probably guessing incorrectly. 3. that some posters seem unaware there is a large amount of published scholarship on developing sports expertise. How is that being condescending?

    Peer review is not rigorous in many instances. It’s insestuous. Peers are peers. That is the problem with so much “science”.

  3. Bag of Pucks says:

    Glovjuice: Messier was not the same such thing at Jesse’s age. Jesse is not a future Hall of Famer; I can assure you of that.

    Coming off a 12 goal season in year 19, you would have thought that was impossible for Messier at the age of 20 as well.

    The odds are certainly against any player making the HoF, but don’t count Jesse out yet.

    5 tools. Only the very very best get that gift.

  4. Glovjuice says:

    Bag of Pucks: Coming off a 12 goal season in year 19, you would have that was impossible for Messier at the age of 20 as well.

    The odds are certainly against any player making the HoF, but don’t count Jesse out yet.

    5 tools. Only the very very best get that gift.

    Is IQ one of the 5 tools? Or relentless drive? Or a biiter, killer aggression ?

  5. Bag of Pucks says:

    Would it surprise anyone if JP developed like Nurse?

    Similar players with their superior physical gifts and positional play warts.

  6. VOR says:

    Glovjuice: Peer review is not rigorous in many instances. It’s insestuous. Peers are peers. That is the problem with so much “science”.

    Believe it or not I agree with you 100%.

    I don’t know many working scientists who would disagree with you and I on this.

    The thing is it is still better than a descent into “all evidence is equal” and the rejection of all the advances evidence based human enquiries have given humanity.

  7. Bag of Pucks says:

    Glovjuice: Is IQ one of the 5 tools? Or relentless drive? Or a biiter, killer aggression ?

    Size/Strength. Speed. Shot. Skating. Passing/Playmaking.

    The mythical 5 tool beast has elite level skills across the board.

    This means players like Richard, Hull, Orr, Messier, Lemieux, Lindros, Benn.

    Even the Great One wouldn’t have qualified given his lack of size. Critics.claim he had average speed too, but they said the same thing about Jerry Rice and I rarely saw either man caught from behind.

  8. --hudson-- says:

    Wilde: Wading in here, I think he was referring to Dellow among others

    https://theathletic.com/536636/2018/09/20/dellow-is-connor-mcdavid-good-enough-to-make-a-power-play-with-five-left-shots-work/

    I believe there was some overlap between their time with the Oilers, I’ve seen Dellow make reference to McLellan before, something like “Todd McLellan believes in shot volume on the PP”.

    If I’m right and they did work for the Oilers at the same time, they might not have gotten along.

    Dellow has one year with Chiarelli/Tmac, fired the same day as Scott Howson. I imagine Dellow would’ve had nothing but a good relationship with all of the Oilers staff, he wouldn’t have survived the Eakins firing if he was not a fit.

    I don’t know if there are still links but Dellow was approached by Eakins to join the team.

    From the availability it seems Todd is joking a bit with Drew Remenda (former video coach with the Sharks)

  9. JimmyV1965 says:

    VOR: And thus we can’t make any definitive statements about the best approach for any specific athlete’s development based on another athlete’s development. We can’t come up with a plan for Evan Bouchard based on how any other athlete did or did not develop.

    There is obviously an optimal path for Evan Bouchard’s development. But you have to know Evan Bouchard really, really well to know what it is. The Oilers are far better placed to know Bouchad and how to develop him than we are.

    That is not to say they have used that access to create an optimal development plan. Merely that they could have and should have.

    I’ll share a little story of my own. When I graduated university i entered the journalism industry. Despite four years of education, I quickly realized I knew shit. To improve at my profession, I studied what the best journalists were doing. I spent countless hours reading the best writers and studying the best newspapers. This was made much easier because there are endless newspaper competitions and there was a clear understanding of who was the best in the industry. I’m not comfortable sharing personal info, but after a few years I won a bunch of awards myself and our little rag carved out a pretty damn good reputation.

    I’m not a numbers guy at all, but if I was running a hockey team,
    I would simply study the draft and development models of good hockey teams. To make a long story shorter, I would look at Tampa, Nashville, Winnipeg and the best teams in the league and come to understand what they are doing. I get that each player is different, but in a vacuum and not knowing what the optimal strategy really is, I would simply defer to the strategy employed by the league leaders.

    There’s no math involved. There’s no empirical evidence. But clearly they are doing something right. I might be wrong here, and each prospect is unique, but without any other info to move forward with, I would simply slow play the development of the vast majority of prospects.

  10. VOR says:

    I realized I should state for the record I am a proprietary scientist. That is I develop and exploit my own IP individually and as part of a team. I left academia 29 yeas ago and never looked back. I am not beholden to the journal system. If my science works I make a living.

    I prefer published sources when I am working on a problem, usually thorough reviews or theoretical work. This is because I am far less likely to waste my time and money and far more likely to make a good living when I build out from the published and peer reviewed literature.

    Much of what I post here is peer reviewed. Though I try to also post a lot of non peer reviewed sources. I really like work that makes me think. And I love to support talented amateurs since I come from a field, Botany, that was built by amateurs.

    What I have come to hate is unsupported opinion being presented like the Sermon on the Mount. So much of it is nothing more than seen him good as presented by the visually impaired.

    Am I cranky? Hell yes. I am well on my way to being a full blown curmudgeon.

  11. VOR says:

    JimmyV1965: I’ll share a little story of my own. When I graduated university i entered the journalism industry. Despite four years of education, I quickly realized I knew shit. To improve at my profession, I studied what the best journalists were doing. I spent countless hours reading the best writers and studying the best newspapers. This was made much easier because there are endless newspaper competitions and there was a clear understanding of who was the best in the industry. I’m not comfortable sharing personal info, but after a few years I won a bunch of awards myself and our little rag carved out a pretty damn good reputation.

    I’m not a numbers guy at all, but if I was running a hockey team,
    I would simply study the draft and development models of good hockey teams. To make a long story shorter, I would look at Tampa, Nashville, Winnipeg and the best teams in the league and come to understand what they are doing. I get that each player is different, but in a vacuum and not knowing what the optimal strategy really is, I would simply defer to the strategy employed by the league leaders.

    There’s no math involved. There’s no empirical evidence. But clearly they are doing something right. I might be wrong here, and each prospect is unique, but without any other info to move forward with, I would simply slow play the development of the vast majority of prospects.

    Not to be condescending but how do you know what these teams are doing. Never mind what they are doing right?

  12. JimmyV1965 says:

    VOR: Not to be condescending but how do you know what these teams are doing. Never mind what they are doing right?

    I can’t tell you off the top of my head, but Tampa, Nashville and Winnipeg have largely built their teams by drafting and developing their own players. Tampa has a couple players drafted very high who went straight to the NHL, but the vast majority of the players for all these teams spent more than one year in the minors or junior. I think you know that.

  13. Wilde says:

    Bank Shot:
    There is something wonky going on with High Danger Scoring Chances.

    There is. I’m down to only using it for pure quick-look location type stuff as opposed to ‘get this many’ score this many goals’. The ‘home plate’ has spots of sub-6.5% shooting in it, it needs to be modified. I have a handy shot map of above 6.5 and just use it as an overlay on hockeyviz’s maps now.

  14. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    VOR: NHL.com says in Bouchard’s six games he has averaged 12 minutes and 35 seconds per game, most of it at even strength. Is that enough playing time to warrant keeping him up? How much does he need to play?

    The Willis piece is a good guide for Dmen that young I think.

    If they are not demonstrably top 4 quality and getting top 4 minutes (~20/gm) then they need to play somewhere where they get that or more.

    The TBY and ANA history show us that their prospects play the most minutes in their system and they have been the class of the NHL in terms of growing their own players and finding value is every part of the draft.

    Bouchard is probably best suited to top 4 in the AHL right now, but that’s not an option.

    He’s averaging 10:33 of 5v5 TOI/gm

    Half a period.

    I can’t think of any development model where not doing something often is better than doing it often.

  15. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    – WG: I was simply trying to get a view on what your take is on Drai. I don’t think you rate him as high as I do, and I think your wrong: that’s a good conversation

    – You’ve said that Chia overpaid him in the past

    – You’ve said that Drai without CmD is not very good in the past (in a bunch of posts this year)

    – You’ve said that this year he is either injured or not back-checking in a number of posts

    – But then you said that based on that one game that was the Drai that we need

    – So I’m asking you if you think Drai is an elite player or not? Or is trending to that.

    – My take is that you do not believe so, but then you had very positive things to say after one game, which I hadn’t seen you say much positive on him before

    – I was asking what you think, and provided my take on your view, and asked if I had it correct? Is he a poor player away from CmD, or is he an elite 70+ plus player who is trending towards being part of an elite combo?

    – Put it this way: I think there are less than 15 C’s you’d trade for Drai, given his age, his performance, and length and terms of contract

    – It was my assessement of your take: which is far more skeptical of Drai and his impact on this team now or going forward. I don’t think you rate Drai very high: fair?

    – I don’t get how you need to descend into fury, and be so categoric on my posts

    – And I don’t get why comments need to be “proofed” with quotes from previous posts (how do we do that anyways?): I’m pretty sure I have your take on Drai roughly sussed out.

    – You think his numbers are not strong away from CmD, you think he’s paid too much, and you thought he was either injured or not back-checking based on his small sample

    – But then you saw him good in a game and said “that’s the Drai we need”. I think we have that Drai, and thats how he is, and getting better on a better team: don’t you?

  16. russ99 says:

    Lucic – Strome is all well and good, numbers wise, but with his strong game so far along with the way McLellan plays his systems, he seems wasted on a line where no goals are coming from. Plus if the endgame is to either grow his confidence to resurrect some remainder of “Boston Lucic” or pad his numbers to find a taker in a deal, good boxcars are essential.

    Jesse’s case seems pretty obvious to me. We saw him perform very well in the preseason against lesser competition, and he’s struggling against NHL regulars. He’s a level too high. Chia needs to swallow his pride, procure a stopgap RW and send him to Bakersfield. It’s wasting his potential keeping him here grinding out low event third line minutes. Yamamoto has shown more, but is a bad stretch from the same.

    Pushing kids in lieu of NHL talent isn’t a winning game as we’ve seen the last 12 years.

    IMO our best lines so far seem to be:

    Lucic – McDavid – Rattie
    RNH – Leon – RWx
    Reider – Strome – Chiasson
    Khaira – Brodziak – Kassian (low minutes, low exposure)

  17. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    – And I don’t get why comments need to be “proofed” with quotes from previous posts (how do we do that anyways?): I’m pretty sure I have your take on Drai roughly sussed out.

    You need to respond to specific comments because your normal course of action is to build strawmen and beat then down like its your job.

    If you have my take on Drai sussed out then why are you asking?

    Vs. PIT Leon out scored his competition 5v5 without McDavid.

    That is the Leon EDM needs.

    To date he hasn’t been able to sustain out scoring without McDavid.

    If the team I cheer is to succeed then he needs to do that as a matter of course.

    His failing on GF% while scoring points is evidence its the defensive side of the puck is where the issue lies.

    The eye test points at the same thing.

  18. who says:

    russ99:
    Lucic – Strome is all well and good, numbers wise, but with his strong game so far along with the way McLellan plays his systems, he seems wasted on a line where no goals are coming from. Plus if the endgame is to either grow his confidence to resurrect some remainder of “Boston Lucic” or pad his numbers to find a taker in a deal, good boxcars are essential.

    Jesse’s case seems pretty obvious to me. We saw him perform very well in the preseason against lesser competition, and he’s struggling against NHL regulars. He’s a level too high. Chia needs to swallow his pride, procure a stopgap RW and send him to Bakersfield. It’s wasting his potential keeping him here grinding out low event third line minutes. Yamamoto has shown more, but is a bad stretch from the same.

    Pushing kids in lieu of NHL talent isn’t a winning game as we’ve seen the last 12 years.

    IMO our best lines so far seem to be:

    Lucic – McDavid – Rattie
    RNH – Leon – RWx
    Reider – Strome – Chiasson
    Khaira – Brodziak – Kassian (low minutes, low exposure)

    I don’t get this at all. We finally have Lucic playing an effective game on the third line with Strome and right away you want to put him on the 1st line with McDavid? Where he has failed each year he’s been an Oiler?
    At the same time you are willing to break up the dominant duo of Mcdavid and Nuge?
    How about if we fix the things that are broken first? Before we break up what’s working.

  19. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    – we are all cheering for the Oil: I don’t believe you see Drai as part of the solution, based on your take of his performance using your preferred figure.

    – You don’t think Drai is an elite player, you think he hurts more than he helps, but then you were encouraged by one game: I was trying to drill down on this?

    – Do you believe he will be an elite player? I think there are less than 15 C’s you trade fro Drai given his age, performance last 2 years, contract, etc.

    – There’s lots of other numbers I have looked to suggest a different take that yours. I rate him much higher than you: so I wanted to explore: you took offence…

  20. Jaxon says:

    How annoying is it to see Brossoit, Nilsson, and Dubnyk starting the season off so well. Dubnyk was a prolonged bad stretch that is understandable to let go. But did they pull the trigger too early on Broissot and Nilsson? Maybe. Are their goaltending coaches doing a good job of adjusting their game when needed? That’s two goalies who have made well-documented adjustments to their game after leaving the Oilers (Broissot and Dubnyk). I’m not sure if Nilsson had coaches who made adjustments after leaving the Oilers.

  21. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    – we are all cheering for the Oil: I don’t believe you see Drai as part of the solution, based on your take of his performance using your preferred figure.

    – You don’t think Drai is an elite player, you think he hurts more than he helps, but then you were encouraged by one game: I was trying to drill down on this?

    – Do you believe he will be an elite player?I think there are less than 15 C’s you trade fro Drai given his age, performance last 2 years, contract, etc.

    – There’s lots of other numbers I have looked to suggest a different take that yours.I rate him much higher than you: so I wanted to explore: you took offence…

    What definition of “elite player” are you using. Be very specific please.

  22. Pescador says:

    –hudson–:

    From the availability it seems Todd is joking a bit with Drew Remenda (former video coach with the Sharks)

    No joking, McLellan was taking a stab directly at Remenda while he was talking to him.
    Todd: “Of all the people I didn’t want to see in Edmonton, you’re at the top of the list”
    Remenda thinks their laughing with him

  23. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Here is something I tweeted about Drai last Friday:

    Drai has the ability to make that contract not an overpay. He needs to work on getting there

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1053399658788081664

    So I think Drai can be worth $8.5.yr.

    Tell me again how much I don’t like him.

  24. Pescador says:

    Jaxon:
    How annoying is it to see Brossoit, Nilsson, and Dubnyk starting the season off so well. Dubnyk was a prolonged bad stretch that is understandable to let go. But did they pull the trigger too early on Broissot and Nilsson? Maybe. Are their goaltending coaches doing a good job of adjusting their game when needed? That’s two goalies who have made well-documented adjustments to their game after leaving the Oilers (Broissot and Dubnyk). I’m not sure if Nilsson had coaches who made adjustments after leaving the Oilers.

    Happy for Brossoit & Nilsson,
    I didn’t see either of them Quit on this team in the middle of several games,
    And then turn around & blame the franchise for their professional failings

  25. Bank Shot says:

    Bag of Pucks: Size/Strength. Speed. Shot. Skating. Passing/Playmaking.

    The mythical 5 tool beast has elite level skills across the board.

    This means players like Richard, Hull, Orr, Messier, Lemieux, Lindros, Benn.

    Even the Great One wouldn’t have qualified given his lack of size. Critics.claim he had average speed too, but they said the same thing about Jerry Rice and I rarely saw either man caught from behind.

    I would say that Puljujarvi lacks elite puckhandling and also skating agility/edgework.

    His top speed north south is very good.

    He seems to have a knack for finding pucks in the crease.

    He may end up being better used as a net front guy on the PP rather than a trigger man.

  26. godot10 says:

    Connor McDavid has as many goals this season as Draisaitl playing with Kailer Yamamoto…none. McDavid’s offense was similarly somewhat suppressed last year playing with Yamamoto.

    This is clearly all Draisaitl’s fault.

    For two years now, the offense of the centre on the top two lines playing with Yamamoto has been suppressed.

    Sample size has now effectively doubled from last season.

    Does one live with the growing pains (and stop blaming the centre) or does one play Yamamoto lower in the lineup?

  27. Pescador says:

    Bank Shot: I would say that Puljujarvi lacks elite puckhandling and also skating agility/edgework.

    His top speed north southis very good.

    He seems to have a knack for finding pucks in the crease.

    He may end up being better used as a net front guy on the PP rather than a trigger man.

    Respectfully disagree, JP has excellent puck handling.
    What he lacks is the time & space to do it, as is the case with most 20yr olds in the NHL.
    The brief glimpses of clean air he gets on the attack, he makes elite offensive plays.
    You can’t accomplish that without upper echelon puck/stick skills

  28. Pescador says:

    godot10:
    Connor McDavid has as many goals this season as Draisaitl playing with Kailer Yamamoto…none.McDavid’s offense was similarly somewhat suppressed last year playing with Yamamoto.

    This is clearly all Draisaitl’s fault.

    For two years now, the offense of the centre on the top two lines playing with Yamamoto has been suppressed.

    Sample size has now effectively doubled from last season.

    Does one live with the growing pains (and stop blaming the centre) or does one play Yamamoto lower in the lineup?

    Yes, because 9 games constitutes a full year.
    Good God ot10

  29. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I don’t believe you see Drai as part of the solution, based on your take of his performance using your preferred figure.

    Goals Kinger.

    You can’t waive away goals by calling them a metric or a figure.

    You used to wave away shot metrics because they weren’t goals, now you wave away goals Because Kinger.

    You don’t think Drai is an elite player, you think he hurts more than he helps, but then you were encouraged by one game: I was trying to drill down on this?

    A player who’s career 5v5 goal share without Hall or McDavid outscored Malkin without 97 2-1 and also got 58% of the shots against Malkin.

    Am I not supposed to be encouraged?

    Am I not supposed to be happy that maybe Leon is maturing?

    I really don’t understand you.

    Are you trying to fit me in your “Leon hater” box?

  30. Bank Shot says:

    Pescador: Respectfully disagree, JP has excellent puck handling.
    What he lacks is the time & space to do it, as is the case with most 20yr olds in the NHL.
    The brief glimpses of clean air he gets on the attack, he makes elite offensive plays.
    You can’t accomplish that without upper echelon puck/stick skills

    I think if he had elite puck skills to go with his size/speed package he would be able to create way more time and space for himself.

  31. russ99 says:

    who: I don’t get this at all.We finally have Lucic playing an effective game on the third line with Strome and right away you want to put him on the 1st line with McDavid? Where he has failed each year he’s been an Oiler?
    At the same time you are willing to break up the dominant duo of Mcdavid and Nuge?
    How about if we fix the things that are broken first? Before we break up what’s working.

    1. Spread out the offense so more than one line scores, also give Leon a good winger, the lack of which is limiting his effectiveness.

    2. Let the kids develop in the AHL, instead of stagnating against NHL competition.

    3. If we’re going to pump and dump Lucic, good Corsi ain’t gonna do it. Effective is putting up points, which the Lucic – Strome pair isn’t doing. Albeit, it’s one game, but where’s the shooter on that line? Strome is well below average, Lucic hasn’t driven the net with the puck in 4 years and who’s the RW?

    4. Breakout speed only matters on the initial rush chance, and McDavid – Rattie has been effective, and will continue to do so even if Lucic is slow to enter the zone. Also, Lucic – Rattie on the wall in the cycle would be effective.

  32. Pescador says:

    Bank Shot: I think if he had elite puck skills to go with his size/speed package he would be able to create way more time and space for himself.

    Ha, well done.
    Time & space will be easier to come by when his brain catches up to his body.
    I can’t imagine how difficult it is to get accustom to NHL speed.
    NHL checking kills creativity & makes the games painfully unwatchable a times
    How enjoyable was that Nashville anaconda?

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Optional morning skate this morning – I think that is likely to be the case all year which, from what I’ve read, is a good thing (maybe best to get rid of it completely and provide no option – one step at a time).

    Will have to wait for the presser to find out any lineup changes (Caggulia and Khaira in for Brodz and Kass – or a combo thereof) and where the damn right wingers will lineup.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil Country about to blow a gasket:

    Khaira and Caggulia in.

    Puljujarvi and Kassian out.

    Talbot starts (that one makes sense with the back to backs on the weekend).

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