Game 11 2018-19: Wild at Oilers

Since the game in Boston, the Edmonton Oilers have been in a groove, winning six of eight and grabbing a Bettman point in another. In six of those eight games, Edmonton won the shot share. Not all numbers (5-on-5) are positive, the Corsi for (48 percent) has the team No. 20 in the category; Fenwick (49.62) is No. 18; shot share (50.32) is No. 15; goal share (45.16) No. 22. Edmonton’s overall goal share (49.15) is No. 18.

These are the numbers of a team that is hanging around a playoff spot, hoping the winning streak can fly into November without interruption. I think this team needs a little help. Will they get it?

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  • Cat Silverman: How Laurent Brossoit found his way back to NHL form.
  • Lowetide: Todd McLellan finds a suitable spot in the order for Milan Lucic.
  • Jonathan Willis: Four reasons why the Oilers should return Evan Bouchard to junior.
  • Lowetide: Drake Caggiula might be hearing footsteps as the Oilers look for offence to replace injured Ty Rattie.
  • Lowetide: Kirill Maksimov is tearing up the OHL, three Condors fly high.
  • Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s race against time.
  • Daniel Nugent-HopkinsAsking McDavid to take on Bergeron line at home shows what Oilers are missing.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Hopkins: Remembering Ron Chipperfield’s brief and hellish time as captain of the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Grant Fuhr talks about his journey, drug use and the state of goaltending.
  • Lowetide: Math offers a surprising option for Leon Draisaitl’s struggling No. 2 line

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-7-0, eight points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-3-1, 15 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in October 2017: 3-7-1, seven points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in October 2018: 6-3-1, 13 points; goal differential -1

A win tonight would mean this year’s team would be in a tie with the 2016 group that made the playoffs and won several postseason games. That’s impressive. Even with a loss tonight, I will count this month as one of the most memorable in recent team history. I have no choice, the evidence is there in the wins and losses.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN OCTOBER

  • On the road to: Sweden to play NJD (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Boston, NYR, Winnipeg (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Washington (Expected 1-3-0) (Actual 2-1-1)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Chicago (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 3-6-2, 8 points in 11 games 
  • Current results: 6-3-1, 13 points after 10 games

The funny thing is, most of the roster is either performing at expected levels or less than expectations. McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge are leading up front, the top-four defense is solid and Cam Talbot has been consistent save for the Penguins game (.923 SP if you take out the Pittsburgh game, hat tip to Jason Gregor).

5-on-5 ON ICE GOAL DIFFERENTIAL (FORWARDS)

  1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (6-2)
  2. Ty Rattie (3-0)
  3. Alex Chiasson (4-1)
  4. Connor McDavid (6-4)
  5. Ryan Strome (2-1)
  6. Tobias Rieder (4-4)
  7. Cooper Marody (0-0)
  8. Drake Caggiula (1-2)
  9. Leon Draisaitl (5-7)
  10. Kailer Yamamoto (2-4)
  11. Jujhar Khaira (1-3)
  12. Jesse Puljujarvi (2-5)
  13. Zack Kassian (3-6)
  14. Milan Lucic (1-5)
  15. Kyle Brodziak (2-7)

5-on-5 per 60 scoring (forwards)

This is where the rubber hits the road. Edmonton’s 4-on-4 scoring is a big part of the team, but the biggest game state is 5-on-5. I use the following lines in the sand: top line offensive forwards should be 2.00 or damned close; second line 1.80+ and then bottom six 1.50+ as a measure of success. It’s unlikely everyone is going to reach those levels but that’s my estimate of success.

No. 1 line

  1. Connor McDavid 2.13
  2. Ty Rattie 1.80
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.56
  4. Kailer Yamamoto 0.47

McDavid scored 3.17 a year ago 5-on-5, so there’s room to grow and one hopes there’s an increase offensively when Rattie returns. It seems ridiculous to complain about 97’s offense in any metric but young Yamamoto hasn’t been doing much offensively on the top line. Nuge has control of the job currently but needs to post 2.00+ to stay there in my opinion. All’s well when the team is winning, but a losing streak might see a shuffle. I don’t see anyone with a stranglehold on the coveted “McDavid’s winger” job right now.

No. 2 line

  1. Alex Chiasson 3.57
  2. Tobias Rieder 2.27
  3. Leon Draisaitl 1.30

This line is humming along in fine style lately, with Rieder and Chiasson giving a boost to the 5-on-5 offense. Leon, clearly the most talented player here, was in a slumber early but is moving into more familiar territory of late. I’m uncertain either winger will be on this line for a long time, but right now the offense is fairly consistent.

Bottom-six forwards

  1. Zack Kassian 1.01
  2. Drake Caggiula 0.93
  3. Jujhar Khaira 0.79
  4. Jesse Puljujarvi 0.75
  5. Milan Lucic 0.51

Although Kassian, Caggiula, Khaira and Puljujarvi are below the 1.50+ mark, it’s also true one more point in any of those games played (or tonight) would have each of them covering the bet. Lucic spent time on the skill lines and has the worst number among regulars with a point (Brodziak and Strome haven’t hit the score sheet yet) and his demotion was certainly warranted. If Edmonton finds four better left wingers, will Lucic sit?

LARRY BROOKS

In the NY Post yesterday, Larry Brooks suggested the Rangers should be aggressive early in dealing forwards who aren’t part of the future plans (or are UFA in the summer). It’s an interesting list, some of these players might help Edmonton right now:

  1. Vladislav Namestnikov 1.67
  2. Mats Zuccarello 1.23
  3. Ryan Spooner 1.21
  4. Kevin Hayes 0.84

I am deliberately avoiding discussing asset cost to acquire because that will become the dominant theme of the conversation. Before we get to payment, is it worth contemplating Namestnikov?

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Exceptional guests and conversation. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. We’ll chat about options for Jesse Puljujarvi, the Oilers current winning run and what happens when Ty Rattie returns.
  • Josh Lewenberg, TSN NBA/Raptors reporter. Raptors lose despite 30 from Ibaka.
  • Sarah McLellan, Minneapolis Star-Tribune. The Wild lost on the coast last night, we’ll chat about the quick turnaround.

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m disappointed by the result and flabbergasted by that late coaching decision but anger is an emotion that I no longer let the Oilers provide me with. I am definitely not regretting watching the game – never have.

    That’s funny.

    Probably one of Lowetide’s most fanatical posters.

    TMac’s got himself a bit of wiggle room, but going from 1st to out of the playoffs is pretty incredible.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Tmac HAS to have noticed these things by now (that anyone with eyes can see):

    – Garrison is too slow to play modern hockey. Needs to be swapped out with Gravel ASAP.
    – Caggiula and Benning are HELLA terrible on the PK. Garrison is also fairly bad at it.
    – Yamamoto has not really been helping the team win much at all, and is somehow holding back the McDaivid line.
    – that friggin 5L PP IS NOT WORKING!! The only time it seems to cash is off the rush (which would probably work with almost any combo of forwards)

    On point 1, management isn’t given McLellan Gravel as an option. He can’t play someone not on the roster.

    Yes, I’m sure the coach generally has input into roster decisions but the final call will be with the GM and I can definitely see the GM not willing to waive a newly signed veteran.

  3. digger50 says:

    Catch the Pontus interview?

    3 goals last two games. He is playing with Getzlaf and Rakell

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: That’s funny.

    Probably one of Lowetide’s most fanatical posters.

    TMac’s got himself a bit of wiggle room, but going from 1st to out of the playoffs is pretty incredible.

    Yes, I post alot and care about this team and their performance a shit-ton – at the same time, I don’t get angry because of them anymore.

  5. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, I post alot and care about this team and their performance a shit-ton – at the same time, I don’t get angry because of them anymore.

    I turned the game off at 3-3 it just looked dicey and like you I can’t stand watching the endless death march but nevertheless am optimistic about this season. McDavid, McDavid, McDavid.

  6. digger50 says:

    Earlier today the thread was “Jessie can sit” we don’t need to worry about his develoment
    because we are winning!!! Lol

    And then the tide turns with a loss “where are our wingers!”

  7. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    That’s admirable. But I’ve had to step away from the games to avoid the anger. Lol. Doesn’t help that all my friends are leafs fans.

    Also doesn’t help that a blogging community knows garrison is done, gravel is a better option, Lucic should not be on P.P, caggs should not be on top line etc, but the head coach doesn’t.

  8. Bling says:

    Lucic getting big minutes again and DC up on the big line worked out as it usually does. Maybe the next time McLellan tries it, it’ll work out. I mean we only have two seasons of data on this, I see no reason why we shouldn’t hope against hope that Lucic turns into the 25 year old version of himself and DC turns into Martin St. Louis or Brad Marchand.

    Btw, no one in the history of the NHL has maintained a presence on a first unit PP for as long as Lucic has based on who he was 10 years ago. Him being sub-sub-replacement level last season and now only being sub-replacement level and having Todd pat him on the back, calling him comeback player of the year, is the kind of bat-shit stupid idea that’s crazy enough to work and oh boy did it.

    I’m pleased as punch that Todd and Lucic are getting on; the only people who suffer in all of this is anyone who has to watch another giveaway, another fumble, and another missed pass (sometimes all three on one shift). That is to say, everyone. But when he hits guys into the boards, it sounds really loud, and you know other players are intimidated, even if they end up skating away with the puck every single time.

    Good grief.

    Otherwise, pretty good game. I thought the top 3 forwards and top 3 D were really good. Chiasson and Rieder were also quite solid. I liked Yamamoto’s game, thought he was making some nice passes out there.

    Strome. I swear he has the yips in the o-zone. This is like Chuck Knoblauch throwing to second base all over again. All alone in front after a nice Yamamoto pass, guy tries a weird deflection that ends up in the corner.

    Nurse was doing strange and peculiar things all night long. Zero fucks given, if there was a weird way to do something Nurse did that and then he would take a penalty or pass the puck to nowhere just to piss you off.

  9. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Thank you but, yes, I knew that – I’m looking for McDavid’s individual scoring rates with and without Drake.

    Yeah NST doesn’t do multi year individual stats.

    From Pretender’s link though, changing to on ice rates/60,

    Together 4.36GF 4.36GA
    McDavid only 3.43GF 2.2GA
    Caggiula only 1.6GF 2.22GA

    The Oilers scored a lot more goals with McDavid-Caggiula on the ice (and gave up 2X as many)

  10. BONE207 says:

    texmex:
    OriginalPouzar,

    That’s admirable. But I’ve had to step away from the games to avoid the anger. Lol. Doesn’t help that all my friends are leafs fans.

    Also doesn’t help that a blogging community knows garrison is done, gravel is a better option, Lucic should not be on P.P, caggs should not be on top line etc, but the head coach doesn’t.

    So Tex…
    How does following the Lowetide control your anger better than watching on tv? Either way you control your emotion.

    I’ll have to try it with porn. Read it as opposed to watching it. I’ll keep you posted on my findings.

  11. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think we may see Koskinen on Thursday (and then once during the back-to-backs early next week.

    Who does Jesse come in for on Thursday?Yamamoto?Brodz? Khaira?

    I thought Khaira was quite useful and Brodziak not bad. Yama isn’t getting anything done, time to go to sunny CA for a tan. He needs more time.

  12. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Of course, to make to loss sting a little more, the fLames won.to take the pacific lead, pushing us out of a playoff spot, and ARI is going to win their game as well. Only 1 point behind us now.
    I know it’s early, but man. All of a sudden the pacific division is waking up. Need more 3 game winning streaks…

  13. texmex says:

    BONE207,

    That is quite simple to be honest. When I don’t watch the games, I don’t see a 7th overall D man skate up ice, try to dump it in, hit the skate of one of the defenseman,turn the puck over, take a penalty and get scored against to tie the game, so I don’t get irritated for example. I don’t watch nhl players not execute the fundamentals of hockey.

    Why do you get angry at porn? I think you’re doing something wrong

  14. treevojo says:

    BONE207: So Tex…
    How does following the Lowetide control your anger better than watching on tv?Either way you control your emotion.

    I’ll have to try it with porn. Read it as opposed to watching it. I’ll keep you posted on my findings.

    By the look of the way that thing bends you are going to be frustrated either way.

  15. JimmyV1965 says:

    Boys played very well tonight. I thought they controlled play for most of the game. Not enough finishers. Will not win consistently without strong PP and PK. We are so very fortunate to watch the greatness of McDavid 82 games a year.

  16. frjohnk says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Boys played very well tonight. I thought they controlled play for most of the game. Not enough finishers.Will not win consistently without strong PP and PK. We are so very fortunate to watch the greatness of McDavid 82 games a year.

    I wonder how many zone exits and zone entries he had tonight. Kid was flying.

  17. drglen says:

    Did not catch the game, except a bit here and there on the Radio,… but reading the summary…

    Wild score 3 powerplay goals, and Edmonton scores none, and it looks like there were many opportunities.

    I say give the Hawks to Koskinen.. i’m serious.

    Yamamota can sit for a while, JPs up?

    Bouchard?

    How were the face offs, … ? with that many goals on penalties, usually doesn’t happen when we win D zone draws.

    Minnesota goalie was hot they are saying, and , well, you can’t beat a hot goalie.

    I’m serious I like the idea of guys in, guys out, regularly.

  18. hunter1909 says:

    digger50: Earlier today the thread was “Jessie can sit” we don’t need to worry about his develoment
    because we are winning!!! Lol

    *raises hand*

    But wtf, TMac’s doing okay with these players. Only when they win, of course. TMac’s only all too aware of this situation. In fact, he’s probably reading Lowetide from his secret I-Phone.

  19. hunter1909 says:

    drglen: Wild score 3 powerplay goals, and Edmonton scores none, and it looks like there were many opportunities.

    As the late great Patrick Quinn used to say: “Too many fancy Dans out there tonight”

  20. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s insane prediction:

    Unless the team falls apart, they’re going for the top of the division come March.

    McDavid’s probably lashing them to death with his tongue right now. Or, worse, he isn’t.

    McDavid only got 1 point tonight. Unacceptable, hahahahahahahaha

  21. Dicky94 says:

    hunter1909,

    Under his secret name…. Gotcha Todd!!

  22. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Does anyone know how to find McDavids P/60 over his career with and without Caggulia?

    I was curious so I had to calculate them.

    McDavid overall (2841.5 min) 2.98/60
    McDavid w/Caggiula (220.0 min) 4.36/60
    McDavid w/out (2621.5 min) 2.86/60

    GA is the only issue!

  23. VOR says:

    jtblack: VOR:
    After any Doctors appoitments, I do go home and look up what the doctor was telling me.Web MD or something similiar.The reason I do it is so I know my doctors or myparents Doctors are not feeding them B S.

    Older generations were taught to trust Authoritative Figures without question (Doctor Teacher Coach Pastor).Of course this lead to many problems.VOR my friend; you should embrace Gen X er’s, Millenials and the future;They want to get it right.

    I work with young people a lot. The team working with me on my AI and my coaching/biomechanics software is made up of Generation X and Millenials. The youngest athlete I am coaching was born in 2003.

    I admire many things about these young people. I would go as far as to say I embrace them. But I think they are broken.

    As a team building exercise a few months back I took my colleagues on a 5 day hike. It was difficult to organize because most of it was on private property. And there is no service including cell phone service. Not to mention the logistics of getting everybody in the same place at the same time.

    We did part of the Medicine Wheel pilgrimage. Aboriginals walked this route for more than a thousand years. They still come to worship. I had an aboriginal shaman do a sweet grass sweat. We had supper with a team of archaeologists who talked about the migration and the central role of bison in it. We actually tried the hunting technique aboriginals used on Bison for ourselves. Turns out throwing a stick accurately is tricky. No Bison were ever in any risk. At night we’d lay 100 miles from the nearest light and star gaze and I would tell them about Cree cosmology.

    Want to know what they took away from this experience? That we are so lucky to be alive today. And that it is ridiculous that there is anywhere in Canada that doesn’t have wireless service. Freaky thing, they kept feeling their smart phones going off even though there was no service. And never, at any point did they relax.

    It was like I had removed fish from the sea. A sea of information. Without a constant stream of information they were dying. Or more correctly going through withdrawal.

    One final thing. I come from a generation that distrusted authority like no other in history. But we also wanted to experience everything and anything. These fine young people want to live in a cocoon woven of technology.

  24. godot10 says:

    Side: I see we have come full circle.

    from #EvenBylsmaWonACupWithCrosby to #thoroughlymediocre to “Fire Todd and his coaching staff” to “changing assistant coaches won’t change anything, everything will be the same” to #EvenBylsmaWonACupWithCrosby

    I haven’t ever said “Fire Todd McLellan”.

    Someone is counting their chickens by claiming that changing the assistant coaches will make a difference. The new guys are more qualified than the old guys.

    #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach preceded #EvenBylsma by a year.

  25. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: They should ban the Internet

    The powers-that-be are working on it. Banning all the good parts, and leaving all the bad parts.

  26. godot10 says:

    tileguy:
    Gawd, please win this Oilers so thatthe negative nancies will go away.

    “Negative nancies” is weak compared to “nattering nabobs of negativism”. Don’t they teach the kids anything in school anymore?

  27. Munny says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Ryan Strome will never get a point again

    It’s not within the realm of possibility.

    ____

    Loss gives the coach permission to change the line-up.

    His selection will be interesting.

    The Oil had them at evens by eye. Special teams lost the battle and those games happen.

    Go get the next one.

  28. Munny says:

    What a great month. I hope they have another.

  29. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    texmex:
    BONE207,

    Why do you get angry at porn? I think you’re doing something wrong

    I’d have to agree. Bone, try focusing exclusively on the zone entries and zone exits … that may help. Good luck.

  30. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jp,

    Yeah NST doesn’t do multi year individual stats

    It does now.

    Huge upgrade a few weeks ago

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    BONE207,

    That is quite simple to be honest. When I don’t watch the games, I don’t see a 7th overall D man skate up ice, try to dump it in, hit the skate of one of the defenseman,turn the puck over, take a penalty and get scored against to tie the game, so I don’t get irritated for example. I don’t watch nhl players not execute the fundamentals of hockey.

    Why do you get angry at porn? I think you’re doing something wrong

    Sure, but at the same time, when you don’t watch the games, you don’t get to see McDavid take a clear at center ice, walk around Ryan Suter like he’s Jason Garrison and shelf one home for a huge goal.

  32. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    jp,

    Yeah NST doesn’t do multi year individual stats

    It does now.

    Huge upgrade a few weeks ago

    Really? I tried last night despite not expecting it to work. It gave me some garbled stuff with 3 Adam Larsson’s at the top with 3 sets of numbers but the same TOI for each.

    Maybe i’m doing it wrong, if you could post a link to said results it would be much appreciated.

  33. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Munny,

    Ya I’m in the same boat.

    Very rough (travel wise) part of the schedule here. Nashville and this game were the 3rd in 4 nights no matter how you sliced it after crisscrossing the country and the details just weren’t there.

    1) when Talbot is “off” he’s down early. Two goals had him down early but it’s tough to stop tip shots regardless.

    2) PK was just off, a second late on every play.

    3) ditto with PP

    4) I didn’t see Caggiula getting a promotion, I saw Yamamoto getting demoted after four straight non-impact periods and Caggs being the only winger able to move up given the other lines and the schedule. It didn’t work and despite the fire breathing here, there is a way to look at it without falling off your chair screaming for the coaches head. I fully assume Rattie to grab that spot for Thursday if healthy

    5) Otherwise they pumped them for 2.5 periods, team has to remember that games last 3 periods though.

    6) A couple nights at home, a practice to polish the details and then a couple of line juggles will have things humming again.

    Still very very encouraged by the month of October, Drai/Nuge steadily marching up the NHL leaderboard, Lars/Klef finding the range and Connor, wow, just wow.

    They need to get things fine tuned by Mid-November when they finally start playing Pacific teams. That’s where big strides and leaps can be made.

  34. jp says:

    VOR,

    I would hesitate to proclaim any group of people broken.

    Like the widespread trust placed in progress and belief that things are getting “better”, idealizing the past is equally problematic.

    You’re using your beliefs and biases (and experience and knowledge) to interpret how others are acting, which is I guess, same as it ever was.

  35. itsaleaf says:

    I know they’ve exceeded expectations, but this team is not going to win with Todd McClellan as head coach.

    I don’t want to hear him mention accountability ever again.

  36. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    True. However, by not watching, I haven’t seen the oilers lose over half the games they have played since drafting the best player in the world. Granted McDavid missed some games in 2015.

    I guess after 13 years, losing has become acceptable as along as McDavid does something worth talking about?

    Ps: this is not entirely true as I watched every game until game 10 last season. All 94 loses in 174 games

  37. hunter1909 says:

    itsaleaf:
    I know they’ve exceeded expectations, but this team is not going to win with Todd McClellan as head coach.

    I don’t want to hear him mention accountability ever again.

    Right now they’re out of the playoffs. TMac’s 100% on the hot seat. Either they win or he’s gone very very soon.

    Therefore, anyone who wishes for this needs to hope they lose.

    Me, I remember Glen Sather who used rookies like cannon fodder or worse. Having 5 HOFers on the top 6 helps that thinking. It’s basically Lowe+MacT’s ultimate template.

  38. Wilde says:

    VOR,

    My friend, I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the phenomenon I’m about to reference, but I’ll continue as if you’re not.

    An age-old trick on the internet uses the laser-intent of someone hungry to read new information they’re interested in to draw them in, dressing up and walking around their would-be revelation before pulling the trap door by jumping non-sequitur into some unrelated piece of text, often song lyrics – but always something else and never what was initially… advertised.

    The most famous version is to jump into the lyrics of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

    I read your comment with interest, and then:

    VOR: It was like I had removed fish from the sea. A sea of information. Without a constant stream of information they were dying. Or more correctly going through withdrawal.
    One final thing. I come from a generation that distrusted authority like no other in history. But we also wanted to experience everything and anything. These fine young people want to live in a cocoon woven of technology.

    The damn kids won’t put their damn phones down.

    Hilarious. Well played.

  39. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – That was a tough loss: kind of a last year loss: 5×5 pretty good, special teams brutal, Talbot let the team down, but can’t really put it on him (even though average Talbot we win that game)..

    – Fun fact: the Wild currently have the oldest team in the NHL with an average age of 28.9. The Oilers are currently the youngest, with an average age of 25.5

    – We did play well 5×5: 4th in 6 on the road, B2B: that was a game to win…

  40. VOR says:

    jp:
    VOR,

    I would hesitate to proclaim any group of people broken.

    Like the widespread trust placed in progress and belief that things are getting “better”, idealizing the past is equally problematic.

    You’re using your beliefs and biases (and experience and knowledge) to interpret how others are acting, which is I guess, same as it ever was.

    I am saying that we are seeing now the first few generations of people raised in the wired world. Based on the admittedly small but diverse sample size of highly technically literate people in these generations that I know and work with daily it has lead to their brains literally developing differently. They struggle to cope when they are unplugged from that wired world. I find that sad.

    Have I met people in this age range who haven’t bought into the dominant cultural ethos? Certainly. And others who were raised not to be. I know many of those.

    I am not anti-technology or opposed to progress. I was up early face timing with my son in Pakistan. And just before I came here I was chatting with my colleagues in Boston. Later today I am running splines on a huge data set. I will try in between to get caught up on email, and text messages. Even as I am writing this I am getting data from the probes in all our grain bins.

    I tell the kids I am coaching to just try the exercises and see if they work. To be their own authorities. I encourage everyone to be informed (especially about their health and environment) and to make their own decisions. But I am watching the world turning into armed camps as technology is used to divide us and polarize us and we march like lemmings into the sea.

    I have lived my life in biotech and computer tech but you are right I am not a child of AI, VR, and CRISPR. And that lets me see all the technological advances of my life time as a mixed blessing. For young people today these innovations are the fabric of their lives and the culture they live in.

  41. Side says:

    godot10: I haven’t ever said “Fire Todd McLellan”.

    Someone is counting their chickens by claiming that changing the assistant coaches will make a difference.The new guys are more qualified than the old guys.

    #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach preceded #EvenBylsma by a year.

    So you don’t want Todd as head coach… but you don’t want him fired.

    Please explain that one.

  42. N64 says:

    VOR: I am saying that we are seeing now the first few generations of people raised in the wired world. Based on the admittedly small but diverse sample size of highly technically literate people in these generations that I know and work with daily it has lead to their brains literally developing differently. They struggle to cope when they are unplugged from that wired world. I find that sad.

    ~ But they are surfing an immense sea of information. Would you believe a tepid bath? How about the River Lethe. Sorry About That Chief. ~

  43. VOR says:

    N64: ~ But they are surfing an immense sea of information. Would you believe a tepid bath?How about the River Lethe. Sorry About That Chief. ~

    Have you ever been to the River Lethe? It is one of the most beautiful places on Earth. I am pretty sure there are no cell towers.

  44. Side says:

    VOR: Have you ever been to the River Lethe? It is one of the most beautiful places on Earth. I am pretty sure there are no cell towers.

    Why go when you can just google image it? Or wait for the VR equivalent?

  45. godot10 says:

    Side: So you don’t want Todd as head coach… but you don’t want him fired.

    Please explain that one.

    Expressing an opinion on the level of competence of the coach is entirely different than expressing an opinion on what his employment status should be.

  46. Side says:

    godot10: Expressing an opinion on the level of competence of the coach is entirely different than expressing an opinion on what his employment status should be.

    When you say

    “I think the coach is not competent and I want a different coach”

    that means you no longer want him to be employed as the coach.

    It’s as simple as that. You may not be saying it directly, but your opinion leads us to that conclusion.

    You can’t have it both ways.

  47. N64 says:

    VOR: Have you ever been to the River Lethe? It is one of the most beautiful places on Earth. I am pretty sure there are no cell towers.

    Side
    Why go when you can just google image it? Or wait for the VR equivalent?

    I just checked the travel guide for that River. Ovid sees cell towers, AI and VR in the site plans:

    “King Sleep was father of a thousand sons – indeed a tribe – and of them all, the one he chose was Morpheus, who had such skill in miming any human form at will. No other Dream can match his artistry in counterfeiting men: their voice, their gait, their face – their moods; and, too, he imitates their dress precisely and the words they use most frequently. But he mimes only men…

  48. godot10 says:

    Side: When you say

    “I think the coach is not competent and I want a different coach”

    that means you no longer want him to be employed as the coach.

    It’s as simple as that. You may not be saying it directly, but your opinion leads us to that conclusion.

    You can’t have it both ways.

    Can you point to the post where I said “I want a different coach”, or the equivalent directly. With Eakins you can find those posts.

    My position since about two months into McLellan’s tenure is #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach, #MediocrityIsADifferentKindOfHell, and subsequently #EvenBylsmaWonACupWithCrosby

    No fire the coach memes.

    An opinion but without advocating a course of action.

  49. jp says:

    VOR: I am saying that we are seeing now the first few generations of people raised in the wired world. Based on the admittedly small but diverse sample size of highly technically literate people in these generations that I know and work with daily it has lead to their brains literally developing differently. They struggle to cope when they are unplugged from that wired world. I find that sad.

    Have I met people in this age range who haven’t bought into the dominant cultural ethos? Certainly. And others who were raised not to be. I know many of those.

    I am not anti-technology or opposed to progress. I was up early face timing with my son in Pakistan. And just before I came here I was chatting with my colleagues in Boston. Later today I am running splines on a huge data set. I will try in between to get caught up on email, and text messages. Even as I am writing this I am getting data from the probes in all our grain bins.

    I tell the kids I am coaching to just try the exercises and see if they work. To be their own authorities. I encourage everyone to be informed (especially about their health and environment) and to make their own decisions. But I am watching the world turning into armed camps as technology is used to divide us and polarize us and we march like lemmings into the sea.

    I have lived my life in biotech and computer tech but you are right I am not a child of AI, VR, and CRISPR. And that lets me see all the technological advances of my life time as a mixed blessing. For young people today these innovations are the fabric of their lives and the culture they live in.

    You’re completely right that brains are developing differently these days due to different stimuli. But is that sad, or just different? My issue is with you characterizing the current generation as broken, which I don’t think is fair.

    If you took someone from the rural 1920’s (or rural now for that matter) and put them in one of today’s cities they would surely struggle to cope. Is that sad? Or just normal?

    I didn’t mean to suggest that you’re anti-technology, and I agree that the various changes are a mixed blessing. For what it’s worth, I’m 41, so I guess generation X rather than a millennial, but I’m also not a child of AI, VR or CRISPR. I’m not personally offended by your comments, but I don’t agree that the current generation is broken any more than the ones that preceded it. And I really don’t see the value brought by believing or espousing it.

  50. Side says:

    godot10: Can you point to the post where I said “I want a different coach”, or the equivalent directly.With Eakins you can find those posts.

    My position since about two months into McLellan’s tenure is #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach, #MediocrityIsADifferentKindOfHell, and subsequently #EvenBylsmaWonACupWithCrosby

    No fire the coach memes.

    An opinion but without advocating a course of action.

    “or the equivalent directly”

    And there it is.

    “godot, what did you think of the restaurant?”

    “it was mediocre”

    “why do you think that?”

    “The service was terrible, the food was terrible, the menu was bad, I think my food made me sick and the restaurant was ugly”

    “Oh it sounds like you thought it was worse than mediocre, that it was bad.”

    “Where did I say it was bad exactly?”

    “Well.. I guess we just won’t eat there again..”

    “Where did I say I didn’t want to eat there again?!”

    You’ve said many times that the “problem” lies with Todd. You have said in the offseason that changing the assistant coaches won’t “make a difference” and again that Todd is a “problem”.

    Everything you say about Todd is also negative by default, which makes me wonder how you think Todd is simply “mediocre” and not “bad”.

    And you never explain the difference, even when asked.

    It seems to me that you like to make broad claims about Todd and the coaching staff, never committing to anything directly, so you build yourself these outs, so, at a later date, you can come back and say you were “right” about something.

    What makes Todd mediocre and not bad? Why do you think Todd should keep his job this season?

  51. VOR says:

    N64:
    I just checked the travel guide for that River. Ovid sees cell towers, AI and VR in the site plans:

    “King Sleep was father of a thousand sons – indeed a tribe – and of them all, the one he chose was Morpheus, who had such skill in miming any human form at will. No other Dream can match his artistry in counterfeiting men: their voice, their gait, their face – their moods; and, too, he imitates their dress precisely and the words they use most frequently. But he mimes only men…

    “Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these.”

  52. VOR says:

    “As wave is driven by wave
    And each, pursued, pursues the wave ahead,
    So time flies on and follows, flies, and follows,
    Always, for ever and new. What was before
    Is left behind; what never was is now;
    And every passing moment is renewed.”

  53. russ99 says:

    This is pretty silly. We’re hugely over-reacting over a loss in a trap game. Nobody expects this team to win 65 games.

    Plus this fanbase sure has a lot of hills they’re ready to die on:

    Hall/Demers
    Nuge – RNH
    Give the kid a chance with the scoring line
    Lucic doesn’t belong with the scorers but hey, why is he not scoring?
    Three scoring lines (unicorns)
    McLellan plays favorites

    It’s getting ridiculous. I’m going to enjoy the this year’s team and these games.

  54. Munny says:

    VOR: Have you ever been to the River Lethe?

    I think so but can’t remember exactly.

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