Game 13 2018-19: Oilers at Red Wings

In his first six games this season, Leon Draisaitl was delivering offense (2-4-6) but bleeding goals at even strength (2-9 goals while he was on the ice). In the six games since (via NaturalStatTrick), Leon is 5-3-8 and the even-strength goal differential is 8-1. His linemates are now two veterans (Tobias Rieder and Alex Chiasson) and the crew has performed well together (Corsica says the trio are 48.51 Corsi for 5-on-5 and 5-0 goals in 51 minutes) so far this season.

We tend to think of current successful solutions as both useful and potentially long term. I don’t think anyone believes the Leon Draisaitl line will contain Rieder and Chiasson for the next five years, but as a bridge to the future it’s rock solid and likely to remain intact for the coming weeks.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Oscar Klefbom takes a step forward for the Edmonton Oilers.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Forty years later, remembering the forgotten trade that brought Wayne Gretzky to Edmonton.
  • New Tyler Dellow: Isolating issues with the NHL’s slower paced power plays.
  • New Lowetide: Oilers reach a pressure point on defence and right wing
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Does Caggiula’s recent performance warrant another chance alongside McDavid?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Predicting the impact Ethan Bear and Edmonton’s other top AHL prospects will make at the NHL level.
  • Lowetide: Zack Kassian market value.
  • Lowetide: Everything’s coming up Oilers as young AHL hopefuls in Bakersfield hammer Flames’ farmhands.
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi gets scratched, so what’s next for Edmonton’s lottery winger?

LINES

We aren’t close to 200 minutes for any single line yet but there are some units coming into view. Here are a few totals so far in 2018-19 (via Corsica.hockey, ranked by TOI):

  • Nuge-McDavid-Yamamoto: 63 minutes, 51.06 Corsi for 5-on-5, 1-1 goals
  • Nuge-McDavid-Rattie: 56 minutes, 50.51 Corsi for 5-on-5, 3-0 goals
  • Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson: 51 minutes, 48.51 Corsi for 5-on-5, 5-0 goals
  • Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian: 42 minutes, 50.85 Corsi for 5-on-5, 1-1 goals

It looks like there are three units that can dance, looking for something to rhyme on a Strome line (although possession numbers look good) and part of that may be that there have been so many combinations at the No. 3 line. The most successful Strome line so far is probably with Lucic and Yamamoto. No goals, 57 percent possession but all in a small sample (17 minutes). Need to find stability and success there.

OILERS AFTER A BAKER’S DOZEN

  • Oilers in October 20155-8-0, 10 points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in October 2016: 9-3-1, 19 points; goal differential +8
  • Oilers in October 2017: 4-8-1, nine points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in October 2018: 7-4-1, 15 points; goal differential +2

The 2015 and 2017 teams were in real trouble by now, the 2015 edition No. 5 in the Pacific Division after 13 games, and the 2017 team was No. 7 in the Pacific Division. The 2016 team was No. 1 in the Pacific and the current Oilers are No. 1 at this time using the correct math.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in November 2016: 0-1-1, one point; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2017: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in November 2018: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +4

None of the previous teams started November 2-0 but this year’s Oilers have a very good chance based on quality of competition. In previous years, even 2016-17, Edmonton would sometimes play down to competition. It cannot happen today, not if this team is seriously going to contend for a playoff spot.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Washington, Tampa Bay, Florida  (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Colorado, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Dallas, Los Angeles  (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 1-0-0, 2 points in 1 game

This is a team with enormous gifts and galling weaknesses, and things like luck and health and hot streaks will be the difference. Points gathered in November will have exceptional value in March because they’ll be banked. Big month ahead.

RATTIE’S BACK; WHAT TO DO?

I can’t wait to see how the coach handles this roster item. Rattie on the McDavid line was having success, and Drake Caggiula scored twice in the last game played by the Oilers. It’s a classic coaching dilemma and the answer is blowing in the wind. Here is what I would do tonight:

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Connor McDavid—Ty Rattie
  • Tobias Rieder—Leon Draisaitl—Alex Chiasson
  • Milan Lucic—Ryan Strome—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Jujhar Khaira—Kyle Brodziak—Drake Caggiula

When I was speaking to Jason Gregor and Jason Strudwick on Friday I mentioned scratching JP, but the more I think about it this is the better plan. Edmonton has all kinds of mid-game options if Rattie flags, and the only issue with this group might be finding three sets of PK forwards. I imagine McLellan would run Nuge-Rieder, Khaira-Strome and Brodziak-Caggiula or some combination (he also slides 97 and 29 in there at times) on the 4-on-5. Caggiula has some of the elements you look for in a penalty killer but his suppression numbers (as is the case at even strength) are not strong.

AHL ESTIMATED 5-ON-5 SCORING (FORWARDS)

Young Condors are scoring goals at an impressive clip, but how is the forward group doing 5-on-5? That’s the minor league version of God’s flashlight and it’s an interesting stat to check in on. The brilliant prospect-stats.com site has all kinds of fun things, including an ‘estimated 5-on-5 per 60’ scoring number. Here are the Condors forwards with at least one point so far this season:

  1. Patrick Russell 2.93
  2. Joe Gambardella 2.71
  3. Brad Malone 2.71
  4. Luke Esposito 2.50
  5. Josh Currie 2.35
  6. Dave Gust 2.33
  7. Cameron Hebig 2.20
  8. Cooper Marody 2.13
  9. Evan Polei 2.01
  10. Tyler Benson 1.89
  11. Nolan Vesey 1.70
  12. Tyler Vesel 1.62
  13. Braden Christoffer 1.60
  14. Mitch Callahan 1.15

Interesting names at the top of this list (more veteran crew than we’re seeing at the top of the overall scoring). Nothing wrong with using veterans at even strength as long as the kids are also playing (and it looks like they are). Benson’s 1.89 is a solid number considering his age and lack of pro experience, could say the same thing about Hebig and Marody who are a touch older. I wonder if Russell and Gambardella find their way to the NHL at some point.

TRACKING BENSON

I mentioned the other day that the work toward my Winter Top 20 is underway (it’ll be at The Athletic) and one of the things that interests me is Benson’s trajectory. Assuming continued health, how does he compare to other Oilers kids at 20? Here is a somewhat exhaustive look at him compared to players you may have followed over the years. I did not include men who didn’t sign with Edmonton and the names below are 20 in the seasons listed. This is estimated 5-on-5 scoring per 60 again via prospect-stats.com:

  1. Rob Schremp 2006-07 (1.92)
  2. Tyler Benson 2018-19 (1.89)
  3. Greg Chase 2015-16 (1.76)
  4. J-F Jacques 2005-06 (1.65)
  5. Marc Pouliot 2005-06 (1.64)
  6. Philippe Cornet 2010-11 (1.63)
  7. Ryan Martindale 2012-13 (1.60)
  8. Slava Trukhno 2007-08 (1.44)
  9. Tyler Pitlick 2011-12 (1.39)
  10. Bogdan Yakimov 2015-16 (1.35)
  11. Kyle Platzer 2015-16 (1.29)
  12. Zack Stortini 2005-06 (1.12)
  13. Travis Ewanyk 2013-14 (1.07)
  14. Jujhar Khaira 2014-15 (0.99)
  15. Curtis Hamilton 2011-12 (0.99)
  16. Mitch Moroz 2014-15 (0.76)

The players on this list who made it (over 100 games) all had some range in their skill sets save for Rob Schremp (who had a lot of offensive ability at lower levels). Benson has more offense than (say) Pitlick and has nice range, so that’s good. It will come down to speed and health in my opinion.

TRANSACTIONS YESTERDAY

Edmonton sent Evan Bouchard to junior on Friday, while recalling Kevin Gravel to replace him. In a separate roster move, Cooper Marody was optioned to Bakersfield to allow Ty Rattie back on the roster. In all cases, you hope for the best future for each of these men, while also knowing Bouchard is likely the only lock. It can go badly, believe me. Let me give you an example of a depressing transaction from the past.

  • January 8, 2007: Oilers option Marc Pouliot and Jean-Francois Jacques to Wilkes-Barre Scranton Penguins.

That was a tough day. Pouliot was a first-round draft pick and he was in the second year of his entry deal. He would play 46 NHL games that season (4-7-11) and 33 AHL games (14-17-31). He was not establishing himself as a successful player in the world’s biggest league.

Craig MacTavish believed in him. MacT said of Pouliot “from what I’ve seen from him, he plays a responsible game. There’s no reason he can’t play a third-line role if he can’t fill a top-two line spot. There are a lot of players, of which we have a few, who have to play on your top two lines, otherwise they’re not going to play. He’s not one of those guys. He’s a guy who can play that third-line centre spot.”

They can’t all make it, that’s a fact. We can say the Oilers have some good ones, a few in California and the teenager who looks 25 heading back to London.

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  1. striatic says:

    Koskinen looked better than his SV% tonight. Last 2 goals were fairly random.

  2. Side says:

    godot10: Hall doesn’t get traded unless McLellan wants him gone.So I blame McLellan (along with everyone else) for the Hall trade and the Lucic signing.

    You say this everytime but never give a logical reason that doesn’t come across as some wild conspiracy theory.

  3. frjohnk says:

    Some probably saw this but I wanted to point out Larsson made a nice subtle play with just under 30 seconds that got the puck out.

    Detroit shot the puck on net. Koskinen stop it for Larsson.
    Most D would take the puck and go behind the net on the backhand and try to backhand the puck out around the boards. This rarely works.

    What Larsson did was make it look like he was going behind the net but then curled to his forehand. He shaked the Red Wing forward away and Larsson flipped the puck out. Detroit never had another chance the score.

  4. BONE207 says:

    OriginalPouzar: …… and one of the biggest stretches in the history of the internet – likely intentional.

    Actually…this might be the biggest stretch…
    http://www.pinterest.ca/pin/734931232913719246/

  5. Bling says:

    Not to be a Debbie Downer, but…

    I saw Nurse bad today.

    Nurse made a turnover up the boards before the first Red Wings goal. He engages a guy behind the net, hitting him, but that puts him out of position again, leading to a mini 2-on-1 down low, with Russell still skating to get back into the play. Goal.

    On the Red Wings’ empty net goal, what was Nurse doing trying to bat the puck out of there? He had three options:

    A) Glove the puck away
    B) Take out the only Red Wing in front of the net
    C) Try to bat the puck out of there

    He chose by far the worst percentage play there.

    I know the game is moving fast, but that’s a situation where someone like Klef or Larsson would just mow down the guy in front. What’s worse is he tries to bat it away from the side of the net; if he had just been between Koskinen and the puck, that probably would’ve prevented the Red Wings player from batting it in.

    I think the second pairing will be better once Nurse picks up his game, JMO. We know he can do it (last year), but some bad habits are starting to creep in.

  6. godot10 says:

    Side: It seems your bold claims and desire to be right about everything are preventing you from enjoying games.

    Instead of enjoying it and admitting you could be wrong about something, you troll the game threads trying to find things you were “right” about.

    Classic.

    If I wasn’t a fan. Why would I have been here for the last twelve years, persisting through the decade of perpetual darkness.

  7. Side says:

    godot10: If I wasn’t a fan.Why would I have been here for the last twelve years, persisting through the decade of perpetual darkness.

    Never said you weren’t a fan of the Oilers.

    I’m saying you are a bigger fan of “being right” and saying “I told you so” then you are of the Oilers.

  8. treevojo says:

    Side: It seems your bold claims and desire to be right about everything are preventing you from enjoying games.

    Instead of enjoying it and admitting you could be wrong about something, you troll the game threads trying to find things you were “right” about.

    Classic.

    I’m pretty sure Nurse is still going to get offer sheeted.

    It is so obvious.

    Happens all the time.

  9. Ryan says:

    godot10: If I wasn’t a fan.Why would I have been here for the last twelve years, persisting through the decade of perpetual darkness.

    I’ll vouch for Godot being an Oilers fan.

  10. npanciroli says:

    Hoping coach and GM realize soon Nurse Russell don’t really work.

  11. BONE207 says:

    Ryan: I’ll vouch for Godot being an Oilers fan.

    Ya but you’re an asshole. I read that somewhere…

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oiler Goal Share after 13 games (8-4-1)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 13-6 (68%)
    McDavid Off Ice 13-16 (45%)
    Net EV +4

    Special Teams (PP+shorties for – PK + shorties against):
    12-12
    Net ST 0

    Empty Net:
    2-3
    Net EN -1

    Net Goal Differential +3

    Analysis: Nice to see McDavid Off jump up to 45% when it was 0% after 3-4 game.

    *clap,clap*

  13. Dixs35 says:

    Can we just pull the bandage off already. Put Yamamoto and puli in the ahl and call up malone to sit in the press box. Put rattie back with McDavid and nuge and cage on the 3rd. It’s time. Stop trying to develop kids at the nhl level. I love puli but it’s time. After xmas reevaluate things and play kosk every 3rd game 2 weak goals but funny bounces and one went through him osmoticaly

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors game about to start – looking forward to tuning in and seeing if Bear is back (and if Marody is healthy enough to play as well).

  15. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Ryan: I’ll vouch for Godot being an Oilers fan.

    Ryan,

    With posts like this it is clear why Ryan thinks no one likes you….

  16. npanciroli says:

    Klefbom and Larsson look incredible this year.

  17. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not saying its not a major injury, of course it is.

    With that said, in the sport of professional hockey, there is a pretty established history of players coming back from this injury and regaining form promptly – that is not the case with major knee surgery.

    This injury is not on the same level of recovery time, likelihood of effectiveness upon return, etc. as the knee was.

    Of course, the back to back is rather devastating but we’ll see.

    Sekera will exceed my expectations if he can return this year and play well enough to displace Garrison, Gravel, and/or Bear/Jones.

  18. who says:

    who: Yeah, I think we should get 5 better dmen than Russell before we start talking about unloading him.

    Right now he’s the 3rd best dman on the team because, if we’re being honest, Nurse hasn’t been very good lately.

  19. BONE207 says:

    Dixs35:
    Can we just pull the bandage off already.Put Yamamoto and puli in the ahl and call up malone to sit in the press box.Put ratio back with McDavid and nuge and cage on the 3rd.It’s time.Stop trying to develop kids at the nhl level.I love puli but it’s time.After xmas reevaluate things and play kiosk every 3rd game 2 weak goals but funny bounces and one went through him osmosticaly

    I’ll get back to you on this. First I must consult Google Translate

  20. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Only theoretically.Not in reality.

    I’m quite sure PC can deal them. It’s the ‘Russell and a first and JP for Martinez that’s going to hurt.

  21. deardylan says:

    OriginalPouzar: How about some kudos to the coach for making adjustments throughout the year and deploying the shitty roster that you profess Pete has provided?’

    Given the Oilers are playing like one of the better teams in the league, and the roster is not good in your mind, they are exceeding expectations.

    Can you man up and give some kudos to the head coach or will you find a way to stretch to propagate your completely mediocre narrative?

    We were born to propagate and masterdebate our species and tell bedtime stories to pass on allusive massillusions. Nothing we do is mediocre it is a miracle we can talk through silcone sheets. As Dr.Bronner says on his bottle of peppermint soap… read our FINE print

    Biography of Dr.Bronner. incredible life story of universal humanity and how we are we.
    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Bronner

  22. HugThePost says:

    when is the last time the back-up goalie for the OIlers got them 3 wins in a week?

  23. Dixs35 says:

    BONE207,

    Using woodguys phone. Kosk osmotically. Mixed with a couple scotch as well

  24. Material Elvis says:

    Dixs35:
    Can we just pull the bandage off already.Put Yamamoto and puli in the ahl and call up malone to sit in the press box.Put ratio back with McDavid and nuge and cage on the 3rd.It’s time.Stop trying to develop kids at the nhl level.I love puli but it’s time.After xmas reevaluate things and play kiosk every 3rd game 2 weak goals but funny bounces and one went through him osmosticaly

    I agree with this strategy.

  25. BONE207 says:

    Dixs35:
    BONE207,

    Using woodguys phone.Kosk osmotically.Mixed with a couple scotch as well

    Well cheers to that

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Montoya with the start tonight.

    Skinner had the last two starts – a solid one and an uneven one.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bear is back tonight – playing with Keegan Lowe!

  28. Abbeef says:

    godot10: $10.5 million dollar fourth line.Damn fine job Pete.

    Only Godot would have this as the takeaway after another win. Lol

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    Fast start for the Condors just like the Oilers – Joe G. scores 30 seconds in from Malone and Bear.

  30. jm363561 says:

    npanciroli:
    Hoping coach and GM realize soon Nurse Russell don’t really work.

    8-2-1 since Russell and Nurse paired up.

  31. Dixs35 says:

    5 and a game on Keith welp that sucks

  32. deardylan says:

    Dixs35:
    BONE207,

    Using woodguys phone.Kosk osmotically.Mixed with a couple scotch as well

    Kosk osmotik +1

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nice for Joe G. to score as his grandma passes away this week – sounds like they were close – as one might expect with an American-Italian family.

  34. Ryan says:

    BONE207: Ya but you’re an asshole. I read that somewhere…

    €√¥£€^$: Ryan,

    With posts like this it is clear why Ryan thinks no one likes you….

    Okay Godot. You’re on your own. It appears my word is mud. 🙂

  35. npanciroli says:

    jm363561,

    Klefbom and Larsson are money.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Marody doesn’t appear to be in the lineup.

  37. Dixs35 says:

    deardylan,

    New drink forever named

  38. godot10 says:

    jm363561: 8-2-1 since Russell and Nurse paired up.

    Russell is the best of the bad options. Most people seem to blame Nurse for the failings of the pairing, but Russell is still the weak link on the pairing.

    Just like people were blaming Draisaitl early in the season, when the real problem was his wingers.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    npanciroli:
    I’d play Rattie top line next game. Puljujärvi needs top line AHL and PP for confidence IMO.

    I would like Rattie back there as well but Drake was very good tonight – one of the best games I’ve seen him play (mistake on the last goal notwithstanding).

    I can’t imagine the coach the coach making that material of a change. Rattie in for JP could be rationalized but I don’t see that happening right now either.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gust drops one to Polei and its 2-0 Condors and a tending change if forced less than 5 min in. .

    Vessel with the 2nd assist.

  41. BONE207 says:

    Dixs35:
    deardylan,

    New drink forever named

    Only counts in the playoffs

  42. Material Elvis says:

    npanciroli:
    Hoping coach and GM realize soon Nurse Russell don’t really work.

    What is your alternative? Something even less effective I assume.

  43. jp says:

    Abbeef: Only Godot would have this as the takeaway after another win. Lol

    It’s also a stretch since Lucic played more than Khaira, Strome played more than Brodziak and Puljujarvi played more than Kassian. Overall and at evens.

  44. deardylan says:

    Ps. Bruce springsteen first band named after dr.bronners castille hippy soap. The Castilles. #6DegreesOfMusicInspiration

  45. godot10 says:

    Ryan:
    Okay Godot. You’re on your own. It appears my word is mud.

    We live as we dream alone.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    BONE207: Actually…this might be the biggest stretch…
    http://www.pinterest.ca/pin/734931232913719246/

    I’m not even going to click the link (I don’t know what the website is although I have heard of it).

    Anyways, even if what he posit’s is true (McLellan was the reason for Hall to be traded), to use that as the reason not to give the coach any credit for the way his team is playing and the adjustments the coach has been making while bashing the GM for a poor roster that coach is provided – massive stretch.

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dixs35:
    Can we just pull the bandage off already.Put Yamamoto and puli in the ahl and call up malone to sit in the press box.Put rattie back with McDavid and nuge and cage on the 3rd.It’s time.Stop trying to develop kids at the nhl level.I love puli but it’s time.After xmas reevaluate things and play kosk every 3rd game 2 weak goals but funny bounces and one went through him osmoticaly

    I wouldn’t do that right before back to back games on the east coast with the Condors in California.

    If Malone is forced in to the lineup for Tuesday, well, that’s not a good scenario against TBL.

  48. deardylan says:

    BONE207: Only counts in the playoffs

    Our regular season is the playoffs. Our playoffs is the draft. KoskOsmotik is the TSN turning drink

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    npanciroli:
    Klefbom and Larsson look incredible this year.

    As good as Klefbom has been, and he may be the team’s MVP, Larsson has been VERY good – he’s nasty to play against and he’s just so calm when getting the puck in the defensive zone after a long shift of defending. He’s making plus offensive plays and plus plays in the D zone in transition.

  50. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Come on hawks! Beat them phlegms!!!

  51. treevojo says:

    godot10: but Russell is still the weak link on the pairing.

    This I agree with.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Right now he’s the 3rd best dman on the team because, if we’re being honest,Nurse hasn’t been very good lately.

    However Nurse was very good for a 5 game stretch when the team started to get rolling.

    He’s struggling a bit now but its not like he’s been terrible all season long.

    23 year old d-men often show some inconsistency – especially

    HugThePost:
    when is the last time the back-up goalie for the OIlers got them 3 wins in a week?

    Given 2nd place on the Oilers goaltending list for wins over the last 3 year (plus this year) is Anders Nilsson with 10, I’m going to guess – a while.

    With that said, Nilsson did “take over” for a little stretch in 15/16 – perhaps he got 3 in a week?

    Seems unlikely.

  53. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not even going to click the link (I don’t know what the website is although I have heard of it).

    Anyways, even if what he posit’s is true (McLellan was the reason for Hall to be traded), to use that as the reason not to give the coach any credit for the way his team is playing and the adjustments the coach has been making while bashing the GM for a poor roster that coach is provided – massive stretch.

    I find it hard to believe that McLellan, who played Hall on the top line with Crosby at Worlds, who trusted Hall with first line minutes and in critical points at games, who a month ago went out of his way to mention that Hall should be in conversations for top players along with Matthews, McDavid, Crosby and Mackinnon, went to Pete to get Hall traded.

    Even IF McLellan told Pete to trade Hall, it’s still 100% on Pete for actually making the trade happen. Pete could have told McLellan to play him. Pete could have held out for a better trade. Pete could have just.. gotten rid of Todd for such blasphemy.

    But alas, here we are.

  54. treevojo says:

    OriginalPouzar: As good as Klefbom has been, and he may be the team’s MVP

    This sounds like Hall winning the Hart last year because his team played five more games then mcdavid.

    There is only one mvp.

    It should never be discounted.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: It’s also a stretch since Lucic played more than Khaira, Strome played more than Brodziak and Puljujarvi played more than Kassian. Overall and at evens.

    Yup, the bottom two lines both played about 11-12 min at evens while the top 2 each played about 16 or so.

    Great deployment by the coach.

  56. Abbeef says:

    godot10: Russell is the best of the bad options.Most people seem to blame Nurse for the failings of the pairing, but Russell is still the weak link on the pairing.

    Just like people were blaming Draisaitl early in the season, when the real problem was his wingers.

    Except Draisaitl was playing brutal until the Pittsburgh game imo. He was floating, invisible in the dzone and making bad decisions with the puck. Having new wingers definitely helped him but you can’t honestly tell me you think he played well before the Pitt game and everything that went wrong was the wingers fault.

  57. who says:

    godot10: Russell is the best of the bad options.Most people seem to blame Nurse for the failings of the pairing, but Russell is still the weak link on the pairing.

    Just like people were blaming Draisaitl early in the season, when the real problem was his wingers.

    Sorry but you are wrong.
    Russell has been the better player this year.

  58. Zelepukin says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup, the bottom two lines both played about 11-12 min at evens while the top 2 each played about 16 or so.

    Great deployment by the coach.

    Ya lines pretty much rolled the whole game.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers currently 6th in the NHL in points and:

    – one point behind 5th with 2 games in hand

    – one point behind 4th with 1 game in hand

    – 3 points out of 1st in the NHL with even games played

    It may be time to start thinking this team is good.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors dominate the first – lead 2-0 with a 10-3 shot advantage.

    This is similar to last game mind you and the rest of the game was a different story.

    Nice to see the flames down to the Hawks after 1.

  61. Old Timer says:

    Bling,

    Totally agree with your observations regarding Nurse. He had a poor game and he is just not showing well in recent games.

  62. godot10 says:

    Abbeef: Except Draisaitl was playing brutal until the Pittsburgh game imo.He was floating, invisible in the dzone and making bad decisions with the puck.Having new wingers definitely helped him but you can’t honestly tell me you think he played well before the Pitt game and everything that went wrong was the wingers fault.

    Everything was the wingers fault and I said so at the time. I was pretty much the only one defending Draisaitl.

    I have been a Draisaitl defender since the day he was drafted. I defended him in contract negotiations, and I defended him when others were criticizing him last season.

    I have this unfair rap of only being critical.

    I was pro-Gilbert and defended him all the way. I was pro-Petry and defended him all the way. I was pro-Schultz and defended him all the way. I was pro-Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins, and defended them all the way. I was pro-Krueger and pro-Nelson. I was and am pro-Nurse. I defended Klefbom all through last season.

    I was/am pro-Lander. I defended Horcoff when the mob turned against him.

    I get very little credit for my pro-Oiler stances over the years.

  63. jm363561 says:

    godot10: Russell is the best of the bad options.Most people seem to blame Nurse for the failings of the pairing, but Russell is still the weak link on the pairing.
    ===
    Yep, we can debate Nurse vs Russell, but you must recognise Russell is being asked to play his off side. However, there is no debate that the team is 8-2-1 since they were paired up – this is a fact.
    The team is much better defensively than last year – credit the coaches – and Larsson and Kbom look a legitimate top pair. To my amazement the team might be good.

  64. Bling says:

    frjohnk,

    Cool observation.

    Larsson does so many of those little things well.

    That pairing is such a pleasant blend of yummy outlet passing and get the hell off my lawn.

  65. Bling says:

    godot10: Everything was the wingers fault and I said so at the time.I was pretty much the only one defending Draisaitl.

    I have been a Draisaitl defender since the day he was drafted.I defended him in contract negotiations, and I defended him when others were criticizing him last season.

    I have this unfair rap of only being critical.

    I was pro-Gilbert and defended him all the way.I was pro-Petry and defended him all the way.I was pro-Schultz and defended him all the way. I was pro-Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins, and defended them all the way.I was pro-Krueger and pro-Nelson.I was and am pro-Nurse.I defended Klefbom all through last season.

    I was/am pro-Lander.I defended Horcoff when the mob turned against him.

    I get very little credit for my pro-Oiler stances over the years.

    Damn it you’re more positive than anyone on here! 🙂

  66. Abbeef says:

    godot10,

    I’m pro Drai and Nurse as well. That doesn’t mean that they don’t have bad stretches of games.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Missed the first half of the 2nd walking the dog by Christoffer gave the Condors a 3-0 lead (from Jones) but the Stars got that one back on a PP shortly thereafter.

    3-1 Condors half way through the 2nd.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nurse had a wobble game, a couple iffy/wobbly/lucky goals scored against, McDavid, while still finishing with a couple of points, had a fairly quiet night.

    Oilers still win.

    Winning games when the team is far from its best – good teams do that.

  69. Glass says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I thought the team played extremely well save for maybe the 3rd line and Nurse had an off night. Idk what your standards are

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Does being “pro-certain players” preclude one from acknowledging plus performances and plus traits for those not on the pro list?

    I have been very “vocal” against Kris Russell on the 2nd pairing on his off-side, for 2 years now. He has proven not to be good enough in the past and I posited that 2RD was the biggest hole on this team and Matt Benning’s ability to play there this season was a main key to the season.

    At the same time, I acknowledge that Kris Russell has been massive at 2RD this year and his performance there is a main reason this team is currently succeeding. Is he a high end puck moving 2nd pairing d-man? Absolutely not, however, he has improved his transition game this year so far, he has increased his ability to defend zone entries this year and he is doing an admiral job in that position.

    Yes, this team needs an upgrade there, however, there is no cap space to do so this year (or likely next) and, given Bouchard, Bear, Berglund, Persson in the system and all likely challenging for NHL jobs next season, it may not make sense to move out a material player to fill that hole with Russell doing more than a serviceable job so far this year.

    For sure, there is a very decent chance none of those 4 will be ready for 2nd pairing duty next year, in fact, its likely the case, however, we are where we are and I’m going to support Kris Russell playing a position I have railed against for a long time.

    Not to mention, Sekera will be back in a few months and we simply do not know what we will get – he may just be good.

  71. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    This interveiw with Steve Valiquette is really, really good.

    He and his team have examined every shot in the NHL in the last 3 years, categorized them all and then come up with SH% for all of them.

    He doesn’t spill the beans on much (his business model is selling this info) but some good nuggets come out.

    Any open look shot (no screen) is useless on a goalie unless you are trying to create a rebound unless you make the goalie move before the shot.Its about a 3% chance of going in.

    Screened tips score at 33%.Breakaways around 30%.

    Interesting stuff:

    https://theathletic.com/626729/2018/11/01/qa-steve-valiquettes-radical-approach-to-evaluating-shots-is-catching-on-in-the-nhl/

    To me he describes exactly what ails the Oilers. I wish they’d hire and listen to him and get a trainer that could do what Vor has described for each player and prospect.

    The future is in first maximizing individual physical performance and team strategies, especially tactics on attacking and specifically how to create the support to give the puck carrier a couple of options to increase shot quality.

    When the data stream from tracking comes alive that can take it from there. Low hanging fruit first. I’d bet it would buy at least a few years of advantage until it spread over most teams- each player getting better tangibly and high quality effectiveness attacking and defending.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hebig with a PPG – all 5 of his goals are on the PP this year.

    Benson and Polei with the apples.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hebig and Benson both with 5 game point streaks now.

  74. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dixs35:
    BONE207,

    Using woodguys phone.Kosk osmotically.Mixed with a couple scotch as well

    Been there

  75. Pescador says:

    BONE207: Actually…this might be the biggest stretch…
    http://www.pinterest.ca/pin/734931232913719246/

    Filthy Bruce eh?

  76. Henry says:

    Scungilli Slushy: To me he describes exactly what ails the Oilers. I wish they’d hire and listen to him and get a trainer that could do what Vor has described for each player and prospect.

    The future is in first maximizing individual physical performance and team strategies, especially tactics on attacking and specifically how to create the support to give the puck carrier a couple of options to increase shot quality.

    When the data stream from tracking comes alive that can take it from there. Low hanging fruit first. I’d bet it would buy at least a few years of advantage until it spread over most teams- each player getting better tangibly and high quality effectiveness attacking and defending.

    I agree that Valiquette did a superb job of selling what his business is doing and that the data was providing essential information for rating goaltenders and ultimately strategies employed (or not) by coaching staffs and players.

    Thanks to Woodguy for pointing us to this post. Really.

  77. Wilde says:

    The Oilers made a bad team look bad tonight.

    – Detroit must have had two dozen failed exits.

    – I think Brodziak is the primary contributor giving that line offense, obviously you keep running the current setup there but if they ever go stale, you could experiment with giving Kyle some offensive threat on his wings. Maybe even Yamamoto if he isn’t sent down. Actually, it could be Rattie too

    – Send him down, though. Puljujarvi too. Hell, you could send Puljujarvi back to Finland, even. Get him out of here, his game is visibly damaged

    – Here’s the micro-sample returns on the current top line:

    93-97-91 is scoring 3.91 GF/60 with a non-outrageous but still very good 11.91 oish%. Every single goal has been a HDCF.

    They are indeed quite high event, but the ratio is the same. This is optimal.

    metric – 97+93 with 91 / / 93+97 without 91

    HDCF/60 – 23.47 (!!!) / / 13.99

    HDCA/60 – 13.69 / / 7.77

    HDC +/-/60 – 9.78 / / 6.22

    GF/60 – 3.91/60 / / 2.33/60

    Only people who looked closely knew that 97 was actually not himself 5v5 so far this year. This current unit is getting to the net and they’re finishing. The high-event factor is actually a positive – you want the highest possible count of goals for above goals against so you have as many as possible for the rest of the team to chew through if they struggle.

    The good thing about having excellent early micro-samples that have both possession and goal plus-rates is that it doesn’t logically hurt you to change them. You can instantly hit the panic button when it starts to correct and come out ahead. I think it might not be a bad idea to see how Rattie does on the 3rd or 4th line.

    – Speaking of filthy micro-samples, here’s an even better one that’s also bigger:

    metric – for / / against – %

    FF – 49.69 / / 40.31 – 55.21%

    SCF – 35.63 / / 17.81 – 66.67%

    HDCF – 13.13 – 5.63 – 70.00%

    That’s Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson in 64 minutes.

    This is domination on both sides of the puck, and meets the eye. How often have any of the three caused turnovers in the DZ and then gotten nice rush chances off of Drai’s passing to Rieder’s speed or Chiasson’s shot? How often do they then set up in the OZ and start generating from there, too?

    ~11M isn’t too much to pay for an outscoring 2nd line.

    Obviously the goalie’s gonna let in some goals at some point and these lines aren’t gonna get +4 G/D every hour, but as it stands there’s not much tinkering to be done and I hope the HC feels good about that. How long has it been since the top two lines have been set up like this? ( I mean Caggiula’s sample is questionable, but obviously Rattie’s still there)

    There’s not even much wondering how on earth you’re going to build two lines with three top-six players. The only worry is that you don’t know what the lines look like cold, but that can wait until they are. It feels good.

  78. Pescador says:

    godot10:

    I get very little credit for my pro-Oiler stances over the years.

    To be fair most of your stances are pro-Negative
    I believe you are an Oiler fan, you just have a funny way of showing it

  79. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Does being “pro-certain players” preclude one from acknowledging plus performances and plus traits for those not on the pro list?

    For some people it does. I’d rather not name names but the initials of the guy I have in mind are Todd McLellan.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glass:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I thought the team played extremely well save for maybe the 3rd line and Nurse had an off night. Idk what your standards are

    I also thought the team played extremely well. Do you disagree with any of the three points?

  81. Soup Fascist says:

    56 and 98 should be headed to the AHL and play a lot. “Coach” Wayne Fleming was finally and thankfully shown the door after playing the hell out of AHL vets – and still managing to suck. How that guy kept a job is a mystery.

    Caggulia / Chia’s Son / Rattie / Kassian are currently able to hold down the fort. Let the young guys play and develop. If one or two of the vets decline in performance make a switch down the road.

    Have a couple of vets sit in the press box. It’s what good organizations do.

  82. Pescador says:

    Wilde,

    Holy shit Wilde, that’s a phenomenal post!

  83. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: As good as Klefbom has been, and he may be the team’s MVP, Larsson has been VERY good – he’s nasty to play against and he’s just so calm when getting the puck in the defensive zone after a long shift of defending.He’s making plus offensive plays and plus plays in the D zone in transition.

    With players like AL, I want to call him Al now, it’s not always easy to see how much they do , until they aren’t there. He’s a backbone type player that championship teams have. We’ve seen them before in Oil Country.

    Players like him provide the structure that allows the more offensive types to do their thing without the team getting caved.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    OSCAR KLEFBOM. 7. Minute-muncher. Klefbom logged 24:57 on this evening and ended up +3. Earned a secondary assist on the Caggiula goal to open the scoring. Had 3 shots. Did have a couple giveaways as well, but neither resulted in a goal against. That will happen when you’re encouraging the guy to create. CF% of 67.44 co-led the D-core (Larsson). The club’s de-facto #1 D-man.

    ADAM LARSSON. 8. Tremendous. Ended the night +3. His best shift of the game came on the PK with Kyle Brodziak in the box. Larsson blocked not 1 or 2 but 3 shots on the same PK shift. The stat sheet in Detroit won’t show all 3, but the game tape will. Larsson had 2 shots and an assist on the Chiasson goal. 1:49 on the PK, 23:43 TOI over-all, second only to Klefbom on the night. Solid pairing

    https://t.co/ly0b93yfwV

  85. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: I wouldn’t do that right before back to back games on the east coast with the Condors in California.

    If Malone is forced in to the lineup for Tuesday, well, that’s not a good scenario against TBL.

    Come on OP with McLlelans genious should be no problem! Hows that for giving the coach credit?
    It could happen in fairy tale land right!

  86. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Dammit! The fLames friggin won. Another third period onslaught.
    And apparently every other pacific team won as well. The oilers only stayed with the pack tonight.

  87. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    OSCAR KLEFBOM. 7. Minute-muncher. Klefbom logged 24:57 on this evening and ended up +3. Earned a secondary assist on the Caggiula goal to open the scoring. Had 3 shots. Did have a couple giveaways as well, but neither resulted in a goal against. That will happen when you’re encouraging the guy to create. CF% of 67.44 co-led the D-core (Larsson). The club’s de-facto #1 D-man.

    ADAM LARSSON. 8. Tremendous. Ended the night +3. His best shift of the game came on the PK with Kyle Brodziak in the box. Larsson blocked not 1 or 2 but 3 shots on the same PK shift. The stat sheet in Detroit won’t show all 3, but the game tape will. Larsson had 2 shots and an assist on the Chiasson goal. 1:49 on the PK, 23:43 TOI over-all, second only to Klefbom on the night. Solid pairing

    IMO Larsson provides the platform for Klefbom to play well. I’m not sure Klef is better. Larsson can carry partnerships, not sure Klef can. Larsson also has more O in him but seems to focus on being a hardass which I believe the team encourages.

    I’d rather see Al search for his ceiling as a rounded player but I don’t think it’s happening. If Larsson has Klef’s mobility it wouldn’t be a question who was #1. Not to knock Klef but Larsson’s processor is top notch.

  88. hunter1909 says:

    Pescador: To be fair most of your stances are pro-Negative
    I believe you are an Oiler fan, you just have a funny way of showing it

    Criticising the Oilers aside from 2016-17 and so far this season is justifiable to the extreme.

    Since I returned to watching the Oilers(not exactly sure but Guerin was just about to get traded) they’re the most puerile, abjectly pathetic, craptastic pro-sports organisation right down there with the Harold Ballard era Leafs.

    I recall getting attacked like a crazy man for daring to suggest the great Lowe+MacT Axis(lol) was in fact just like a scarecrow at the dance hall. And questioning the nonsense that MacT was a sought after coach who could write his own ticket, if only he wasn’t blessing the Oilers with his presence.

    Of course the narrative’s been spun out like Rumpelstiltskin’s gold with the Steve Austin era leading right up to MacT’s Chauncey Gardener moment when McDavid sailed over the horizon.

    Now it’s 2018-19 and Todd’s shoving his 4th line decisions into the fans face and schooling everyone in the process. It’s lovely to behold, only so long as it works. Oilers fans owe no one allegiance. Oilers fans are like Mao’s Army after having been forced to live in the mountains.

  89. Wonder Llama says:

    godot10: We live as we dream alone.

    Please send me evenings and weekends.

  90. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: CHI’s centers last game were:
    1 Toews
    2 Anisimov
    3 Krueger
    4 Johnson

    Here is Brodziak’s 5v5 TOI vs each:
    PlayerTOI
    Luke Johnson3:51
    Marcus Kruger3:07
    Jonathan Toews2:34
    Artem Anisimov1:15

    Here’s Strome’s
    PlayerTOI
    Marcus Kruger4:01
    Artem Anisimov1:54
    Luke Johnson1:45
    Jonathan Toews0:58

    McLellan avoided having Strome’s line vs Toews like the plague (and like he should)

    Kruger’s line is the checking line and not likely to score.

    Brodziak time vs top 2 lines: 3:49
    Strome’s time vs top 2 line: 2:52

    I know I’m half a day late, but thanks for this post! Sorry, didn’t get a chance to thank you for breaking down their TOI earlier today.

  91. Side says:

    godot10: Everything was the wingers fault and I said so at the time.I was pretty much the only one defending Draisaitl.

    I have been a Draisaitl defender since the day he was drafted.I defended him in contract negotiations, and I defended him when others were criticizing him last season.

    I have this unfair rap of only being critical.

    I was pro-Gilbert and defended him all the way.I was pro-Petry and defended him all the way.I was pro-Schultz and defended him all the way. I was pro-Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins, and defended them all the way.I was pro-Krueger and pro-Nelson.I was and am pro-Nurse.I defended Klefbom all through last season.

    I was/am pro-Lander.I defended Horcoff when the mob turned against him.

    I get very little credit for my pro-Oiler stances over the years.

    Prolly don’t get credit because attached to your “pro Oiler” stances are weird conspiracy theories involving Todd McLellan.

    Hard to take a “pro-Klefbom” comment seriously when you blame Todd for Klefbom developing and flourishing under Todd.

    Or hard to take a “pro Nurse” comment seriously when it’s followed by “Nurse is only doing well because of Adam Oates, in spite of Todd”

    Etc. Etc. Etc. Ad nauseam

  92. OmJo says:

    Soup Fascist: Chia’s Son

    I spent 30 seconds trying to figure out who Chia’s Son was and for some reason thought you meant Lucic. Idk why I’m admitting this.

  93. Hot Eire says:

    hunter1909: Criticising the Oilers aside from 2016-17 and so far this season is justifiable to the extreme.

    Since I returned to watching the Oilers(not exactly sure but Guerin was just about to get traded) they’re the most puerile, abjectly pathetic, craptastic pro-sports organisation right down there with the Harold Ballard era Leafs.

    I recall getting attacked like a crazy man for daring to suggest the great Lowe+MacT Axis(lol) was in fact just like a scarecrow at the dance hall. And questioning the nonsense that MacT was a sought after coach who could write his own ticket, if only he wasn’t blessing the Oilers with his presence.

    Of course the narrative’s been spun out like Rumpelstiltskin’s gold with the Steve Austin era leading right up to MacT’s Chauncey Gardener moment when McDavid sailed over the horizon.

    Now it’s 2018-19 and Todd’s shoving his 4th line decisions into the fans face and schooling everyone in the process. It’s lovely to behold, only so long as it works. Oilers fans owe no one allegiance. Oilers fans are like Mao’s Army after having been forced to live in the mountains.

    hear, hear…

  94. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    OSCAR KLEFBOM. 7. Minute-muncher. Klefbom logged 24:57 on this evening and ended up +3. Earned a secondary assist on the Caggiula goal to open the scoring. Had 3 shots. Did have a couple giveaways as well, but neither resulted in a goal against. That will happen when you’re encouraging the guy to create. CF% of 67.44 co-led the D-core (Larsson). The club’s de-facto #1 D-man.

    ADAM LARSSON. 8. Tremendous. Ended the night +3. His best shift of the game came on the PK with Kyle Brodziak in the box. Larsson blocked not 1 or 2 but 3 shots on the same PK shift. The stat sheet in Detroit won’t show all 3, but the game tape will. Larsson had 2 shots and an assist on the Chiasson goal. 1:49 on the PK, 23:43 TOI over-all, second only to Klefbom on the night. Solid pairing

    Not sure about that secondary assist for Klefbom.
    I thought Nuge swept that puck into the zone. In fact, if he didn’t touch it, the play should have been called for icing.

  95. Bling says:

    Wilde:

    Great post. Agreed, top 2 lines are set.

    I think you put Rattie on line 3 and send JP and KY down for some seasoning.

  96. Pisani Worldwide says:

    Side,

    This guy is the dumbest commenter on the Internet, and that’s saying something. His theory is to call every thing wrong then act smart when he’s right but go silent when he’s wrong

  97. Soup Fascist says:

    OmJo: I spent 30 seconds trying to figure out who Chia’s Son was and for some reason thought you meant Lucic. Idk why I’m admitting this.

    To be fair the coincidental spelling does not really line up with the narrative that 39 is being shown any special treatment.

    He worked hard to get his spot on the roster and is earning his time on line 2.

  98. Melvis says:

    Pisani Worldwide,

    The dumbest commenter on any blog is the one who tends to reference others as “dumb”. Generally speaking, they’re too fuckin ignorant or stupid to recognize their own stupidity. It needs pointing out on occasion for those whose heads are so far up their asses, they’re choking on it.

    If you want to take it up, I’ll gladly be your huckleberry.

    I’m not the least bit interested in playing at blog cop. That’s the host’s role. Occasionally, however, these one off sniping attacks really piss me off.

  99. hunter1909 says:

    Melvis: The dumbest commenter on any blog is the one who tends to reference others as “dumb”. Generally speaking, they’re too fuckin ignorant or stupid to recognize their own stupidity.

    This is exactly what you’re doing. Calling others out for perceived slights in whatever you happen to not like. Get a grip.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    I assume Talbot gets the start tomorrow against WSH and Koskinen Tue against TBL.

    Hopefully the 6 days between starts doesn’t hurt Talbot and the extra rest proves beneficial. 2 points on this back to back would suffice – 3 or even 4 would be fantastic.

  101. Melvis says:

    hunter1909,

    Referencing Godot or anyone else as dumb, can hardly be seen as a perceived slight. Get a double grip. And I don’t mean a bottle.

    I’m not the one here shooting my mouth off morning, noon and night to the extant of getting blocked.

  102. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    OSCAR KLEFBOM. 7. Minute-muncher. Klefbom logged 24:57 on this evening and ended up +3. Earned a secondary assist on the Caggiula goal to open the scoring. Had 3 shots. Did have a couple giveaways as well, but neither resulted in a goal against. That will happen when you’re encouraging the guy to create. CF% of 67.44 co-led the D-core (Larsson). The club’s de-facto #1 D-man.

    ADAM LARSSON. 8. Tremendous. Ended the night +3. His best shift of the game came on the PK with Kyle Brodziak in the box. Larsson blocked not 1 or 2 but 3 shots on the same PK shift. The stat sheet in Detroit won’t show all 3, but the game tape will. Larsson had 2 shots and an assist on the Chiasson goal. 1:49 on the PK, 23:43 TOI over-all, second only to Klefbom on the night. Solid pairing

    https://t.co/ly0b93yfwV

    Why up so late. I know yas excited bout R teams.

  103. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: With players like AL, I want to call him Al now, it’s not always easy to see how much they do , until they aren’t there. He’s a backbone type player that championship teams have. We’ve seen them before in Oil Country.

    Players like him provide the structure that allows the more offensive types to do their thing without the team getting caved.

    I like to look at it this way:

    Players like him get the puck back from the opposition’s top 6 forwards, hurt them a little in the process, and get the play moving back the other way.

    He’s really good at getting the puck back so its in this way that he contributes to offense quite a bit.

    It doesn’t result in points for the player though.

  104. Genjutsu says:

    deardylan:
    Ps. Bruce springsteen first band named after dr.bronners castille hippy soap. The Castilles. #6DegreesOfMusicInspiration

    Interesting trivia bit, thanks for this.

    Also it’s a great product and more for people that are educating and don’t want to poison themselves. Some of those might be hippies too though 😉

  105. Pescador says:

    hunter1909: Criticising the Oilers aside from 2016-17 and so far this season is justifiable to the extreme.

    Since I returned to watching the Oilers(not exactly sure but Guerin was just about to get traded) they’re the most puerile, abjectly pathetic, craptastic pro-sports organisation right down there with the Harold Ballard era Leafs.

    I recall getting attacked like a crazy man for daring to suggest the great Lowe+MacT Axis(lol) was in fact just like a scarecrow at the dance hall. And questioning the nonsense that MacT was a sought after coach who could write his own ticket, if only he wasn’t blessing the Oilers with his presence.

    Of course the narrative’s been spun out like Rumpelstiltskin’s gold with the Steve Austin era leading right up to MacT’s Chauncey Gardener moment when McDavid sailed over the horizon.

    Now it’s 2018-19 and Todd’s shoving his 4th line decisions into the fans face and schooling everyone in the process. It’s lovely to behold, only so long as it works. Oilers fans owe no one allegiance. Oilers fans are like Mao’s Army after having been forced to live in the mountains.

    Step down from the soap box hunter
    My comment wasn’t even directed at you

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: Why up so late. I know yas excited bout R teams.

    That’s not up late, that’s my morning post-gym.

    I was up late mind you – 10:40 is egregious when the Oilers aren’t in the Pacific time zone.

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