Game 15 2018-19: Oilers at Lightning

by Lowetide

Sometimes I wake up and everything is dull. Turn the light on and it seems to burn dim, or maybe it’s me. We all want to look sharp in our jobs, every day, but the truth is sometimes things don’t rhyme and the extra gear doesn’t want to kick in.

And sometimes you have to give the other man his due. Oh, I understand the fourth line did you wrong and if you had five minutes with Cam Talbot you would straighten out his career. I believe you when you say Nuge needs Cod Liver Oil and that McDavid’s hair is too long and Strome’s pants are too tight and why can’t the Swedes play well in the capital. I get it, all of it.

Still, the Oildrop played a damned good team that was desperado last night and lost to them on the road after beating them at home. Edmonton isn’t a good enough team for any of us to expect a sweep of the Stanley Cup champions. One thing: The referees called that game like it was 1978 and Scotty Bowman was running the Habs in Caps uniforms.  You can hammer like Dick Pound with a tenderizer hammer at a butcher’s convention when talking about the officials last night. The players? I think there’s a little room for crediting the other guy.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: In depth: Embattled Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli defends his record, remains bullish on the future.
  • New Lowetide: A new day dawning for Oilers prospects in Bakersfield as increased usage means greater success.
  • Lowetide: Future Oilers bubbling under in Bakersfield may get a look sooner rather than later.
  • Lowetide: Oscar Klefbom takes a step forward for the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Forty years later, remembering the forgotten trade that brought Wayne Gretzky to Edmonton.
  • Tyler Dellow: Isolating issues with the NHL’s slower paced power plays.
  • Lowetide: Oilers reach a pressure point on defence and right wing
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Does Caggiula’s recent performance warrant another chance alongside McDavid?
  • Jonathan Willis: Predicting the impact Ethan Bear and Edmonton’s other top AHL prospects will make at the NHL level.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Garrison-Benning went 8-5 in 9:24, shots 4-1 and no goals. Got 4:28 with 97 (going 7-0) meaning the third pairing was 1-5 without the captain. Expect an upgrade on the third pairing at some point. Were 7-2 against Oshie-Backstrom-Stephenson but that was all McDavid.
  • Russell-Nurse were 25-17 in 19:01, shots 8-6, no goals, 6-5 HDSC. The duo was 10-6 with McDavid, 15-11 without and I think that’s success. Nurse looked calm and less prone to go walkabout last night, Russell occupied Ovechkin for the evening and probably slept in ice overnight. Were 5-14 against Ovechkin-Kuznetsov-Jaskin, bent but did not break. A nice recovery after a few tough evenings, Nurse played RH side (someone mentioned possibly to play against Ovechkin but Russell was in his face all night, too) for a time.
  • Klefbom-Larsson had their first difficult night in some time, going 24-17 in 17:55, 14-13 shots and 1-3 goals, 5-7 HDSC. Were 6-7 with McDavid, 18-10 without, but the goals against were severe and some of the blame goes to the Swedish duo. On the Vrana goal, Larsson got caught up at the blue line, Klefbom marked his man but let the slot open and 77/6 ended up covering (and not covering the pass) the same guy. You’d like Brodziak to cover the goal scorer but Larsson’s delay buggered up the coverage. The second goal was Khaira/Brodziak and the third goal was Klefbom again allowing the slot pass and Larsson caught in a tough spot, Nuge being out of the play where he should have intercepted the pass instead. This pairing has been quality, so a tough night can easily be forgiven.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 19 of 23, .826. He made a few tough stops, don’t think he was responsible for the loss, you’ll want him to be sharper as the month rolls along. I don’t blame him on any of the goals, he seems to be going down a little early but all four Capitals goals were ring-a-ding-dong-dandy chances. Oilers weren’t as sharp as they needed to be in order to beat a strong and desperate Capitals team. That’s your story.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Nuge-McDavid-Caggiula were 23-11 in 16:16 (Nuge) and 17-9 in 13:04 (Caggiula). Leon’s presence was for 3:15, a goal for was scored, 5-3 Corsi events. McDavid went 20-12 against Oshie-Backstrom-Stephenson and 15-9 against Orlov-Niskanen. I wonder if we see Ty Rattie tonight. Nuge had a great game, save for being a few feet too high on the Backstrom-to-Oshie pass on the fourth goal. Caggiula had at least one major chance, just slid by the left post on a deflection.
  • Lucic-Strome-Puljujarvi went 14-9 in 11:21, 7-3 shots, no goals and 5-3 HDSC. My opinion is the line played well and have earned another start, but a loss and the availability of Rattie suggest we could see a shuffle. Went 10-4 against Djoos-Bowey. Lucic had a 10-bell chance but couldn’t cash, NST says he has had 11 at even strength and five on the power play, placing him inside Edmonton’s top three in both categories. I believe it, but he has just one goal. I like this line, wish they could score.
  • Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson were 14-11 in 12:37, 7-5 shots, no goals, 3-1 HDSC. I’m a fan of this line, the two veterans give Leon room to wheel. Edmonton probably misses out on a goal-for or two a week because skill isn’t at the highest levels, but the possession and shot metrics are improving.
  • Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian struggled in the first period and the DSP (second) goal hurt the team. Brodziak got caught up with the official, but Khaira didn’t handle the puck well and it was over in seconds. Were 7-8 in 7:13 but 1-7 shots, 0-2 goals and 0-3 HDSC. Were 4-6 against Kempny-Carlson and 0-2 goals against the Washington fourth line of Vrana-Boyd-SmithPelley. Khaira had a great chance and drew a penalty on an Ovechkin slash. I was shocked because it looked for all the world like Washington could do any damned thing and not hear a whistle last night. Long time readers of this blog know it’s rare for me to complain about the stripes, but their actions last night took a close game and gave the Capitals the upper hand. Atrocious, but I’ve been watching the NHL do this since Toe Blake coached the Canadiens.

OILERS AFTER 15 GAMES

  • Oilers in October 20155-10-0, 10 points; goal differential -8
  • Oilers in October 2016: 9-5-1, 19 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in October 2017: 6-8-1, 13 points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in October 2018: 8-5-1, 17 points; goal differential +1

The 2018 Oilers once again have a chance to tie the 2016 playoff edition, although it will be a tough evening in Florida. I liked the effort last night, pretty clear after the two goals against the No. 4 line it was going to be tough to get back but the Oilers worked hard to get things closer. I suspect we’ll see the same game tonight.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-1-1, five points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in November 2017: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in November 2018: 2-1-0, four points; goal differential +3

Edmonton has a tough game tonight, I think it’s most likely a loss. If the road team can get things to overtime, that would represent a victory. Even with a loss, the November 2018 team isn’t out of place with the rest of the Chiarelli-McLellan teams since 2015.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Washington, Tampa Bay, Florida  (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Colorado, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Dallas, Los Angeles  (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 2-1-0, 4 points in 3 games

It’s a likely loss tonight, but you never know. McDavid might decide to go off or Koskinen could stop 50. It will be a good test for this team, a 3-goal loss is possible tonight. Can the Oilers hang in if they get down early, as they did last night? Not every loss is equal and I was impressed with Edmonton’s resilience in trying to overcome general malaise, a two-goal deficit and a referee staff fresh from the Mick McGeough School of Three Blind Mice.

QUENNEVILLE FIRED

I’m absolutely certain many readers this morning are thinking about replacing Todd McLellan with Joel Quenneville, who was fired today. I can tell you, based on observing this organization since 1972, there is a less than zero chance this happens for all kinds of reasons. Todd McLellan’s Oilers have a winning record after slogging through a wild and crazy October schedule. The team appears to be on the same page. Many of the offseason and youth bets are either working or not failing. McLellan’s contract hasn’t run out.

Quenneville in Edmonton, with this roster, would be an interesting follow. That said, Todd McLellan is the head coach of the Edmonton Oilers and his team holds third place in the Pacific Division this morning. I am quite certain it’s a non-starter. Flame away.

LINEUP SHUFFLE

I would stay the course tonight unless someone is injured. Garrison-Benning needs an upgrade but are playing well enough to hold off Kevin Gravel. Puljujarvi is playing well enough to stay in the lineup, same for Caggiula and Chiasson. Mikko Koskinen will slide in for Talbot, but the rest of the lineup should remain the same sans injury or exhaustion.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A full boat this morning, beginning at 10, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. We’ll chat about the Nugent-Bowman article on Peter Chiarelli (up this morning) and about the Oilers staying competitive into November.
  • Matt Sammon, Director of Broadcasting and Programming, Tampa Bay Lightning. The Lightning are one of the teams who we can safely project as a strong Stanley Cup contender, we’ll check on the team heading into tonight’s game against Edmonton.
  • Scott Mitchell, TSN. Scott has a new top 50 baseball free agents out, we’ll chat Bryce Harper and other major names available.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Love the lineup, it’s going to be fun!

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Leroy Draisdale November 7, 2018 - 10:26 am

treevojo: Probably cause of Tonya Harding.

I lol’d, got a few funny looks at the office

VOR November 7, 2018 - 8:07 am

who: I would counter with “lose the battle, win the war”. Hell,they had already lost this game, before the incident.
What Lucic did was send a message, not just to the Lightning, but to 29 other teams. There is value in that, whether you can see it or not.
I wonder how many people who are horrified by this have ever played competitive hockey? How many of them have found themselves in this situation? I don’t care how many PP goals you score, eventually you just get tired of taking the abuse. I don’t want to see that happen to any young, skilled player.
The game is changing, and I love the direction it’s heading in, but I still think players have to be held accountable. In my mind,that’s what Lucic did.

I have lost track of how many games of competitive hockey I have played over the past 54 years. Quite a few in any case. I was horrified, though maybe not for the reasons other people were.

A pacifist I am not. I think I have made that clear. But as a goalie you know the opposition is going to try to intimidate you and take you off your game. It is hockey 101. And you know the officials aren’t going to call it. Obviously, if it bothered me I wouldn’t have played for five decades.

I have of course wigged out and occasionally chopped a player down as they entered my crease. My position has always been to largely ignore the intimidation but when I did decide to respond to make it count. Last year I broke a guy’s ankle. Don’t want to limp for the rest of your life don’t keep Morking me.

Hockey is a tough game and from time to time you have to make it clear your opponents can’t take liberties.

My problem with Lucic’s play was it wasn’t effective intimidation. The guy shouldn’t be on his bench laughing he should be in an ambulance on the way to the hospital. If it is worth being intimidating then go all nuclear winter. No half way measures. Either ignore the aggro and play your game, always the better move in my opinion, or deliver a response that will be heard around the league.

I give Lucic full marks for trying to do the right thing. But all that he accomplished was to show that you can get under the Oilers skin and that their most intimidating player is a spent force. Dumb and dumber.

VOR November 7, 2018 - 7:46 am

I think intimidation is an inherent part of sport. It is expressed differently in different sports.

In figure skating it is knowing you can skate the performance of a life time and get jobbed by the scorers. In figure skating it is knowing you will fall hundreds, even thousands of times, on hard ice, and spend your career bruised, bandaged, and limping. It is knowing that in any of those falls your skate blades or those of a partner can cut you for hundred of stitches. And if you get to be really good at the sport you get to experience all of that in front of ten thousand plus fans life and tens of millions, as much as 500 million people on TV. Figure skating isn’t even slightly intimidating.

I have coached enough figure skaters (jump training is a common part of their practice regime) to know they are tough as nails.

who November 7, 2018 - 7:38 am

Glovjuice: An army has an objective to win something. Lucic won nothing.This army metaphor is silly.

I would counter with “lose the battle, win the war”. Hell, they had already lost this game, before the incident.
What Lucic did was send a message, not just to the Lightning, but to 29 other teams. There is value in that, whether you can see it or not.
I wonder how many people who are horrified by this have ever played competitive hockey? How many of them have found themselves in this situation? I don’t care how many PP goals you score, eventually you just get tired of taking the abuse. I don’t want to see that happen to any young, skilled player.
The game is changing, and I love the direction it’s heading in, but I still think players have to be held accountable. In my mind, that’s what Lucic did.

pts2pndr November 7, 2018 - 7:22 am

Glovjuice: The hit on Russel was not clean but certainly not cowardly. It was more from the side and won’t even register with the league. The Lucic Neanderthal show was cowardly and dangerous – he fuckin choked him, man; after a free blow to the head while the guy was falling.

Cheap chicken—t should get exactly what Lucic did! This is not ringette. The league has to own up to the fact that they are either unable or unwilling to police their game and do away with the instigator rule. The game would clean up in less than a third of the season! The good players would once again be able to use their skill to their full ability! The cheap shot artists would have to man up and or stop their c–p!

Glovjuice November 7, 2018 - 7:17 am

who:
I’m fine with what Lucic did last night, if he thinks Joseph was taking liberties with some of the Oilers. If we are being honest, that is partially what we are paying him for.
In an ideal world it wouldn’t be necessary,but the NHL is not an ideal world.
Kinda like having an army. You hope you never need one, but if you do, it’s sure nice to have one.

An army has an objective to win something. Lucic won nothing. This army metaphor is silly.

russ99 November 7, 2018 - 7:14 am

Thought we played reasonably well considering the opposition is much better and the officiating is a joke. Got lots of good chances but for a lightning hot goalie and some dirty play.

Good effort, results will come.

who November 7, 2018 - 7:13 am

I’m fine with what Lucic did last night, if he thinks Joseph was taking liberties with some of the Oilers. If we are being honest, that is partially what we are paying him for.
In an ideal world it wouldn’t be necessary, but the NHL is not an ideal world.
Kinda like having an army. You hope you never need one, but if you do, it’s sure nice to have one.

Glovjuice November 7, 2018 - 7:11 am

oilinthepeg: This.

The chippiness on the star players is on the refs and on the league. I’m personally sick of players ‘having to stik up for their teammates’. Just play the game. Players are paid to play hockey and win games. The play by Lucic was garbage and has no place in the game. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and if someone wants to hurt McDavid, they will do it, they’re not afraid of guys like Lucic. Like with the illegal picks and everything else in the league, players and teams will push the boundaries of what they can get away with because it works to their advantage. It’s tough to compete in a league where they don’t call plays fairly… especially since I don’t feel the Oilers play with that ‘close-to-illegal’ edge to their game. I don’t often find myself thinking that they are really pushing the refs to see what they can get away with.

I wish Lucic put that much passion and vigor into trying to score goals because goals help win hockey games…

Also, I’m actually not that fond of figure skating, in case someone was going to insult me for taking this stance on the topic… yeesh.

And again. Thanks. Agree 100%

Glovjuice November 7, 2018 - 7:09 am

godot10: Lucic’s stalking and assault of Joseph was Bertuzzi-on-Moore-lite.It is suspension worthy.There was a total absence of a hockey play in the attack.

One can make legal hits in hockey, for retribution. There is no need to make illegal ones.

If they hit McDavid, hit Stamkos, Point, and Kucherov.

Here here. Godot gets it of course.

Glovjuice November 7, 2018 - 7:07 am

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Rarely do I find myself agreeing with Kurt Leavins, but I’m willing to give the man credit where it’s due.

From his player grades at CoH:
source: https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/the-edmonton-oilers-washington-capitals

“MILAN LUCIC. 4. There are two ways to look at the Milan Lucic decision to physically engage Matthieu Joseph in the 3rd Period of tonight’s game. If you don’t care for that kind of thing, that is your prerogative. My view: Kris Russell took a cheap shot into the end boards and was cut. No call. The same player took shots at McDavid and RNH earlier but also went un-penalized. So with the game 5-2 and well out of reach, the time was right for the defacto policeman on this club to say to the Bolts and the rest of the NHL “hey, that’s not O.K.”, and to his teammates “I’m not scoring so I’ll contribute in this way instead”. I’m not sure how you will view it. But I can be confident that it will resonate loudly with Kris Russell and the rest of his teammates. Personally, I’m not at all O.K. with the Oilers best players being run at but nothing being done about it. Your mileage may vary.”

If what Lucic did was so important then why only a game grade of 4? What a contradiction. It’s totally nonsensical not to give a higher grade then.

Crazy Pedestrian November 7, 2018 - 7:01 am

Chelios is a Dinosaur:
What happens when Lucic comes off his suspension to find all 4 lines humming in his absence?

Ooo… this! Very much this!!!

Genjutsu November 7, 2018 - 6:15 am

Chelios is a Dinosaur:
What happens when Lucic comes off his suspension to find all 4 lines humming in his absence?

That’s a really nice problem to have.

treevojo November 7, 2018 - 5:28 am

oilinthepeg:

Also, I’m actually not that fond of figure skating, in case someone was going to insult me for taking this stance on the topic… yeesh.

Probably cause of Tonya Harding.

Chelios is a Dinosaur November 7, 2018 - 3:41 am

What happens when Lucic comes off his suspension to find all 4 lines humming in his absence?

hunter1909 November 7, 2018 - 3:25 am

…Bring out your dead…Bring out your dead!…

"Steve Smith" November 7, 2018 - 2:51 am

oilinthepeg,
MAYBE FIGURE SKATING IS MORE YOUR SPORT?

oilinthepeg November 7, 2018 - 2:19 am

godot10: Lucic’s stalking and assault of Joseph was Bertuzzi-on-Moore-lite.It is suspension worthy.There was a total absence of a hockey play in the attack.

This.

The chippiness on the star players is on the refs and on the league. I’m personally sick of players ‘having to stik up for their teammates’. Just play the game. Players are paid to play hockey and win games. The play by Lucic was garbage and has no place in the game. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and if someone wants to hurt McDavid, they will do it, they’re not afraid of guys like Lucic. Like with the illegal picks and everything else in the league, players and teams will push the boundaries of what they can get away with because it works to their advantage. It’s tough to compete in a league where they don’t call plays fairly… especially since I don’t feel the Oilers play with that ‘close-to-illegal’ edge to their game. I don’t often find myself thinking that they are really pushing the refs to see what they can get away with.

I wish Lucic put that much passion and vigor into trying to score goals because goals help win hockey games…

Also, I’m actually not that fond of figure skating, in case someone was going to insult me for taking this stance on the topic… yeesh.

godot10 November 7, 2018 - 1:44 am

jp: I’m somewhere in the middle on this whole argument, but IMO what Lucic did wasn’t particularly dangerous. It was far more intimidation than pugilism. He very easily could have obliterated the guy, but he really just gave him a facewash +

Lucic’s stalking and assault of Joseph was Bertuzzi-on-Moore-lite. It is suspension worthy. There was a total absence of a hockey play in the attack.

One can make legal hits in hockey, for retribution. There is no need to make illegal ones.

If they hit McDavid, hit Stamkos, Point, and Kucherov.

Oz November 6, 2018 - 11:53 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey,

I concur 100% as this post has expressed my earlier response to Glovjuice more clearly by someone who has played the game at a much higher level than I have

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 11:38 pm

Rarely do I find myself agreeing with Kurt Leavins, but I’m willing to give the man credit where it’s due.

From his player grades at CoH:
source: https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/the-edmonton-oilers-washington-capitals

“MILAN LUCIC. 4. There are two ways to look at the Milan Lucic decision to physically engage Matthieu Joseph in the 3rd Period of tonight’s game. If you don’t care for that kind of thing, that is your prerogative. My view: Kris Russell took a cheap shot into the end boards and was cut. No call. The same player took shots at McDavid and RNH earlier but also went un-penalized. So with the game 5-2 and well out of reach, the time was right for the defacto policeman on this club to say to the Bolts and the rest of the NHL “hey, that’s not O.K.”, and to his teammates “I’m not scoring so I’ll contribute in this way instead”. I’m not sure how you will view it. But I can be confident that it will resonate loudly with Kris Russell and the rest of his teammates. Personally, I’m not at all O.K. with the Oilers best players being run at but nothing being done about it. Your mileage may vary.”

thelongdark November 6, 2018 - 10:17 pm

tileguy: More icing, no big blue wave rolling through the US.

Dems did fine tonight the Senate was never in play.

They can check Trump a little now and I think that’s a good thing for America and by extension the world.

Bag of Pucks November 6, 2018 - 10:16 pm

Glovjuice: The hit on Russel was not clean but certainly not cowardly. It was more from the side and won’t even register with the league. The Lucic Neanderthal show was cowardly and dangerous – he fuckin choked him, man; after a free blow to the head while the guy was falling.

Maybe figure skating is more your sport?

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 10:11 pm

Wilde:
How exactly do you choke with your gloves on?

Like this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_gpwEWO-nQ

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 10:03 pm

OmJo: Joseph’s neck looked red after the scrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SmVaNqCx3I

Stop the video at around 0:17, when Lucic and Joseph get rotated around. You can see it looks like his hands are around his neck.

Edit: Here’s a screenshot https://ibb.co/i3ZgiV

I watched it, didn’t see any red around the neck.
Belly looked kinda yellow

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 10:02 pm

Wilde: Perhaps never. I believe strongly that he will never get the calls any other player would, for the reason that a) the league is clueless when it comes to protecting star player’s play and safety, and b) referees don’t personally identify with star players and only respect them if they’ve won.

It’ll be easier for McDavid to get his 2nd Stanley than his first, but his career will be over before there’s enough turnover up high in the collective team’s ownership and NHL executive positions for the game to be called by the rules.

Ughhh.

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 10:00 pm

Glovjuice: The hit on Russel was not clean but certainly not cowardly. It was more from the side and won’t even register with the league. The Lucic Neanderthal show was cowardly and dangerous – he fuckin choked him, man; after a free blow to the head while the guy was falling.

when you saw that poor poor Joseph laughing on the bench after
It was at you
Lucic and Kassian targeted him because he was running around taking liberties all night
By all means take a hard stance, but at least get the facts straight first

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 9:58 pm

OmJo:
Wilde,

If his neck wasn’t red I would have thought the same thing. The redness made me think okay maybe his hands were around his neck.

To me this is the saddest part about the NHL.

Because the league though it’s refs don’t consistently police the league, it’s up to essentially vigilante justice.

Who obeys an enforcer that won’t hurt you? Nobody. The kid was laughing after? Because Lucic has been quite civilized the last few years. ‘I fought Lucic’ and nothing much happened so it’s a laugh.

Chara is a savage and hurts people even when going easy as per many player’s accounts. Maroon’s was the last I read. Sadly Lucic needs to lay a big time licking on hopefully a deserving opponent to ‘refresh’ the league memory of why they don’t want to go there.

There are only a few guys according to player’s polls that are widely feared, Lucic was #2.

I don’t like fighting in the league anymore, but like even less liberties taken on the Oilers, especially Connor. I have had a gut full of that after the DoD and no team response, opponents do use it as a tactic if they think it will work.

They start, we finish. Until there’s a new sheriff in head office.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 9:49 pm

OmJo:
Wilde,

If his neck wasn’t red I would have thought the same thing. The redness made me think okay maybe his hands were around his neck.

It could have been the knuckles of his gloves that did that though

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 9:48 pm

Scungilli Slushy:
They are starting to suspend egregious players, but still allow certain teams to get away with team muggings. How long until Connor isn’t clearly interfered with?

Perhaps never. I believe strongly that he will never get the calls any other player would, for the reason that a) the league is clueless when it comes to protecting star player’s play and safety, and b) referees don’t personally identify with star players and only respect them if they’ve won.

It’ll be easier for McDavid to get his 2nd Stanley than his first, but his career will be over before there’s enough turnover up high in the collective team’s ownership and NHL executive positions for the game to be called by the rules.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 9:46 pm

Wilde,

If his neck wasn’t red I would have thought the same thing. The redness made me think okay maybe his hands were around his neck.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 9:43 pm

OmJo: Joseph’s neck looked red after the scrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SmVaNqCx3I

Stop the video at around 0:17, when Lucic and Joseph get rotated around. You can see his hands around his neck.

right, I was thinking he was just holding him by each side of the collar of his jersey, but either way I don’t think it’s straight up restricting his breathing choking

I’m not on Milan’s side for this one, but I won’t judge him too harshly. I think the most likely player to be injured from this game is Kris Russell, but it could have easily been Brayden point out for a dozen games from Draisaitl’s flying elbow.

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 9:41 pm

Wilde: They def were, except for the latter half of 17-18.Examples that immediately come to mind are the Brandon Manning game, and those two bouts vs NJD.

I meant overall, as in always instigating. I haven’t felt that, although they have been chippy/ dirty regularly in the past.

Manning deserved it and still does. Repeated hack and dangerous player.

The issue is that marginal players make a million Canadian dollars, and some will do anything to make it. It’s up to the league to decide Manning can’t attack the ‘talent’ to stay in the league. The NHL condones attacking the best players, or does by default in allowing it.

They are starting to suspend egregious players, but still allow certain teams to get away with team muggings. How long until Connor isn’t clearly interfered with?

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 9:41 pm

jp:
Glovjuice,

OmJo,

Yeah I just re-watched it and the one punch to the head was worse than I realized. What followed really was simple intimidation though IMO. Lucic could have damaged Joseph, he did not.

Oh absolutely it was mostly intimidation. He could have went all Hulk Smash on Joseph and the young man would have to have had his face scraped up off the ice afterwards.

He was laughing about it right afterwards though. Kids these days.

jp November 6, 2018 - 9:37 pm

Glovjuice,

OmJo,

Yeah I just re-watched it and the one punch to the head was worse than I realized. What followed really was simple intimidation though IMO. Lucic could have damaged Joseph, he did not.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 9:36 pm

Wilde:
How exactly do you choke another player, in gear, with your gloves on?

Joseph’s neck looked red after the scrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SmVaNqCx3I

Stop the video at around 0:17, when Lucic and Joseph get rotated around. You can see it looks like his hands are around his neck.

Edit: Here’s a screenshot https://ibb.co/i3ZgiV

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 9:33 pm

Jethro Tull:
The Oilers better get good at marginal picks and screens. I’ve noticed (by eye only) a few teams are very good at seemingly innocent cross overs that take out a checker. The Caps, NSH are two. Now Tampa.

It was made illegal in rugby years ago because of the same reasons; guy has the ball, opponent goes for the tackle, guy crosses (or scissors, as it’s known in rugby) with a team mate who he gives the ball. He then continues to “accidentally” block the tackler. You can basically run the ball all the way down the field just repeating this. In hockey it allows speed to be built through the neutral zone or negates a forecheck.

My solution to an obvious coaching tactic like that is send two checkers and the guy tracking the ‘pick’ is full speed and nails him good, not late, but makes them pay a price, because picks are illegal, and if the ref won’t call it get them second guessing. It’s a full contact sport, and physical intimidation is a very big part of the game still.

Scotty Bowman as Wings coach responded to a question about the trap with ‘if they try that I’ll put Federov on D and he’ll skate the puck in’.

Whatever it takes. Hopefully the refs do what the rules say and it’s not an issue.

I think we’re seeing more issues this season because the Oilers are winning and there is no question that Connor is a threat every shift. Teams aren’t thinking the game is ‘in the bag’ anymore. This is when the beefcakes earn their money, and most players cement their spot.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 9:30 pm

How exactly do you choke another player, in gear, with your gloves on?

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 9:29 pm

Scungilli Slushy: The Oilers have not been a chippy team in the last years IMO, more responsive to the opponent, which as it stands with reffing is spot on.

They def were, except for the latter half of 17-18. Examples that immediately come to mind are the Brandon Manning game, and those two bouts vs NJD.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 9:28 pm

jp: I’m somewhere in the middle on this whole argument, but IMO what Lucic did wasn’t particularly dangerous. It was far more intimidation than pugilism. He very easily could have obliterated the guy, but he really just gave him a facewash +

The punch to the head was dangerous.

Glovjuice: The hit on Russel was not clean but certainly not cowardly. It was more from the side and won’t even register with the league. The Lucic Neanderthal show was cowardly and dangerous – he fuckin choked him, man; after a free blow to the head while the guy was falling.

I think it’s better to send a message before one of our players is smashed from behind headfirst into the boards and they don’t get up? Backstrom also hit Nuge from behind into the boards. I’d rather deter something bad happening instead of seeing the team react to it happening…

The hit sent the message. The punch and alleged choke (still don’t know if that was in fact what happened) was unnecessary though, I agree.

Glovjuice November 6, 2018 - 9:27 pm

jp: I’m somewhere in the middle on this whole argument, but IMO what Lucic did wasn’t particularly dangerous. It was far more intimidation than pugilism. He very easily could have obliterated the guy, but he really just gave him a facewash +

facewash + wow. I give up – I must be totally oblivious. Done for today. yes, I know….you are all welcome.

jp November 6, 2018 - 9:26 pm

drglen:

Oscar could not get those shots on pp. I wish we had a syronger threat from point. Also. The leftorium on powerplay was a problem today.Good 1 time looks were yo be had with a right shot on left side.Enough of this fix it

Ty Rattie (a right shot) was on PP1 today. There were no 5L PPs in the game today.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 9:26 pm

Jethro Tull:
The Oilers better get good at marginal picks and screens. I’ve noticed (by eye only) a few teams are very good at seemingly innocent cross overs that take out a checker. The Caps, NSH are two. Now Tampa.

It was made illegal in rugby years ago because of the same reasons; guy has the ball, opponent goes for the tackle, guy crosses (or scissors, as it’s known in rugby) with a team mate who he gives the ball. He then continues to “accidentally” block the tackler. You can basically run the ball all the way down the field just repeating this. In hockey it allows speed to be built through the neutral zone or negates a forecheck.

IMO it’s a bigger competitive advantage in the OZ, where teams are bringing back the high cycle by using this – I think the smart teams know the low cycle and plain low-to-high plays aren’t very strenuous on modern defensive structures.

The amount of pick plays in the video I cut today is hilarious, and I left out a ton.

JimmyV1965 November 6, 2018 - 9:25 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Glovjuice,

Strenuously disagree.

If you cowardly endanger our player and the refs don’t call it, face the consequences.

Take your pick of infractions; this game was rife with exceptional examples.

+1000

Glovjuice November 6, 2018 - 9:22 pm

Jethro Tull:
The Oilers better get good at marginal picks and screens. I’ve noticed (by eye only) a few teams are very good at seemingly innocent cross overs that take out a checker. The Caps, NSH are two. Now Tampa.

It was made illegal in rugby years ago because of the same reasons; guy has the ball, opponent goes for the tackle, guy crosses (or scissors, as it’s known in rugby) with a team mate who he gives the ball. He then continues to “accidentally” block the tackler. You can basically run the ball all the way down the field just repeating this. In hockey it allows speed to be built through the neutral zone or negates a forecheck.

Astute call.

drglen November 6, 2018 - 9:22 pm

Those were quality tampa goals. And they had other chances with open guys. I thought the backchecking forwards were weak not the dmen. Its too bad kosk didnt grab more saves. He just wasnt confident and challenging.

Benning played well

Oscar could not get those shots on pp. I wish we had a stronger threat from point. Also. The leftorium on powerplay was a problem today. Good 1 time looks were to be had with a right shot on left side. Enough of this fix it

Actually nice game from strome.

Brodz a step behind

jp November 6, 2018 - 9:21 pm

Glovjuice: The hit on Russel was not clean but certainly not cowardly. It was more from the side and won’t even register with the league. The Lucic Neanderthal show was cowardly and dangerous – he fuckin choked him, man; after a free blow to the head while the guy was falling.

I’m somewhere in the middle on this whole argument, but IMO what Lucic did wasn’t particularly dangerous. It was far more intimidation than pugilism. He very easily could have obliterated the guy, but he really just gave him a facewash +

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 9:18 pm

Glovjuice: The hit on Russel was not clean but certainly not cowardly. It was more from the side and won’t even register with the league. The Lucic Neanderthal show was cowardly and dangerous – he fuckin choked him, man; after a free blow to the head while the guy was falling.

You have to take the aggregate. Somebody will be the one who gets it, deserved or not.

The Oilers have not been a chippy team in the last years IMO, more responsive to the opponent, which as it stands with reffing is spot on.

Glovjuice November 6, 2018 - 9:12 pm

Genjutsu: If someone on the street beats your friend/wife/child with a stick do you:

A) run and hide.
B) hope the authorities handle it appropriately
C) man up

I guess A or B is what some think.

I see things differently I guess.

Wife, child. Street. Beat. Well, duh.

Jethro Tull November 6, 2018 - 9:10 pm

The Oilers better get good at marginal picks and screens. I’ve noticed (by eye only) a few teams are very good at seemingly innocent cross overs that take out a checker. The Caps, NSH are two. Now Tampa.

It was made illegal in rugby years ago because of the same reasons; guy has the ball, opponent goes for the tackle, guy crosses (or scissors, as it’s known in rugby) with a team mate who he gives the ball. He then continues to “accidentally” block the tackler. You can basically run the ball all the way down the field just repeating this. In hockey it allows speed to be built through the neutral zone or negates a forecheck.

Glovjuice November 6, 2018 - 9:10 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Glovjuice,

Strenuously disagree.

If you cowardly endanger our player and the refs don’t call it, face the consequences.

Take your pick of infractions; this game was rife with exceptional examples.

The hit on Russel was not clean but certainly not cowardly. It was more from the side and won’t even register with the league. The Lucic Neanderthal show was cowardly and dangerous – he fuckin choked him, man; after a free blow to the head while the guy was falling.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 9:04 pm

OmJo: Unfortunately we’ll never know how Puljujarvi would have done in the Finnish elite league as a 18 year old.

About a point-per-game or above if we’re to look at his comparables from before him and after him, Vesalainen for example.

Puljujarvi would have about 60 NHL points right now if his success was demonstrably a high priority of the management and coaching staffs. He was an average-ish NHL forward 5 months after his 18th birthday.

HT Joe November 6, 2018 - 9:03 pm

Glovjuice: LOL – this old school bullshit is stupid.

For my money, that quote from the coach is literally the opposite of referring to “that team in orange”. Seeing the coach supporting and backing up the players to the media following a potentially-contentious on-ice event is really nice to see.

Genjutsu November 6, 2018 - 9:02 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Glovjuice,

Strenuously disagree.

If you cowardly endanger our player and the refs don’t call it, face the consequences.

Take your pick of infractions; this game was rife with exceptional examples.

If someone on the street beats your friend/wife/child with a stick do you:

A) run and hide.
B) hope the authorities handle it appropriately
C) man up

I guess A or B is what some think.

I see things differently I guess.

texmex November 6, 2018 - 8:57 pm

8-6-1 after that insane 15 game stretch.

NJ, Bos(2), NYR, WIn, Nash(2), WASH (2), TB, DET, CHI (2), PIT. MINN

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 8:57 pm

Glovjuice: LOL – this old school bullshit is stupid.

Not until the league protects the best players, like every other NA big time league does. Really. It’s a farce how the rules are subjective to teams and season state.

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 8:55 pm

Glovjuice,

Strenuously disagree.

If you cowardly endanger our player and the refs don’t call it, face the consequences.

Take your pick of infractions; this game was rife with exceptional examples.

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 8:53 pm

The thing with Pettersson is less about what he did in Sweden – which was be historic – but how he has so far been in the NHL. He may not keep up the pace he’s at but his PPG is higher than Connor’s. He’s in rare air so far with his vision and ability to score, despite being a bone rack.

This is where GM’s cut the mustard – build the best team around the crazy talent, and not hamstring self with Cap.

Glovjuice November 6, 2018 - 8:53 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Matty:
Did Looch just got upset with the cross check on Russell?
McLellan:
“Nothing wrong with that.Felt that a player took a liberty with Kris Russell.I agree with the liberty part of it.Part of the reason we have Looch here is to take care of teammates and he did that.”

LOL – this old school bullshit is stupid.

HT Joe November 6, 2018 - 8:50 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey: Matty:
Did Looch just got upset with the cross check on Russell?
McLellan:
“Nothing wrong with that. Felt that a player took a liberty with Kris Russell. I agree with the liberty part of it. Part of the reason we have Looch here is to take care of teammates and he did that.”

https://youtu.be/NHdnuVHbWxc?t=819

I like it.

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 8:48 pm

Wilde,

There were plenty from the first period on. It’s like we had the same refs from last night. They missed a pretty obvious slewfoot on Drai by Girardi at the crease, for instance.

Kassian was really chatty in the first, something preceded that. Lucic was chirping in the second for good reason, and then the hits on Russell and Yamamoto in the third (either being worthy of a major, imo) really set him off.

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 8:47 pm

OmJo:
Scungilli Slushy,

Only way he gets bought out is with a compliance buyout after the next lockout (thanks, HHOFer Gary Bettman!) because his contract is essentially buyout proof (thanks, Peter Chiarelli!)

I hope Chia remembers that. Although he might not be the deciderer. We’re not quite clear of patently stupid decisions. Getting there I think.

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 8:46 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Scungilli Slushy,

As usual, nary a word out of place.

Cheers.

tileguy November 6, 2018 - 8:44 pm

Crazy Pedestrian:
Just to put icing on the cake, The oilers just dropped out of a playoff spot with this loss…

More icing, no big blue wave rolling through the US.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:43 pm

HT Joe:
OmJo,

I didn’t see the hit on Russel.But, I saw enough from the previous game to walk away with the thought that if the refs won’t make the calls, the Oilers have to police the games themselves.

With a potential line brawl and McDavid on the ice, I was pretty happy to see both Lucic and Nurse out there.

Yup! Nurse ragdolling Killorn with one arm was fun. Was nice to see Benning, Rattie and McDavid get their hands dirty, too. Team building 101.

HT Joe November 6, 2018 - 8:42 pm

OmJo,

I didn’t see the hit on Russel. But, I saw enough from the previous game to walk away with the thought that if the refs won’t make the calls, the Oilers have to police the games themselves.

With a potential line brawl and McDavid on the ice, I was pretty happy to see both Lucic and Nurse out there.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:40 pm

Bank Shot:
Pettersen scored 1 pgg in his draft year. Puljujarvi scored 0.5ppg.

I think everyone got fooled when Puljurjarvi lit up the world juniors.

It’s interesting that he was ranked above Tkachuk who lit up the OHL playoffs.

Tkachuk was suspected of being a product of his linemates where Puljujarvi was free of that criticism.

Puljujarvi played in the top league in Finland, against men, as a 16 and 17 year old. Pettersson didn’t play in the Swedish elite league in his draft year – he didn’t play there until he was 18. That’s something worth taking into consideration, IMO.

Unfortunately we’ll never know how Puljujarvi would have done in the Finnish elite league as a 18 year old.

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 8:39 pm

Scungilli Slushy,

As usual, nary a word out of place.

JimmyV1965 November 6, 2018 - 8:39 pm

I thought we played well. Tampa has big time finishers. We don’t. Much more enjoyable game than last night. Shitty shitty reffing. That is the worst reffed game I can remember in a long time. Lucic deserved his penalties, but the ref let this get out of control.

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 8:39 pm

Matty:
Did Looch just got upset with the cross check on Russell?
McLellan:
“Nothing wrong with that. Felt that a player took a liberty with Kris Russell. I agree with the liberty part of it. Part of the reason we have Looch here is to take care of teammates and he did that.”

Bank Shot November 6, 2018 - 8:34 pm

Pettersen scored 1 pgg in his draft year. Puljujarvi scored 0.5ppg.

I think everyone got fooled when Puljurjarvi lit up the world juniors.

It’s interesting that he was ranked above Tkachuk who lit up the OHL playoffs.

Tkachuk was suspected of being a product of his linemates where Puljujarvi was free of that criticism.

Tkachuk stepped directly into the NHL and thrived. We are still waiting for Puljujarvi to show he belongs.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 8:34 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Wilde,

If you could go ahead and compile another rage-edit for tonight’s game, that’d be greatttttt.

Which plays? I was only watching intermittently after the 4-1 goal or whatever

Saw the Joseph-on-Russell and resulting Lucic thing and then tuned back out

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:33 pm

HT Joe: https://youtu.be/KG6ECuCPzOY

Damn, that was fast!

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 8:32 pm

OmJo: A sarcastic remark about Pettersson not earning his ice time, then suggesting we are screwing up Puljujarvi’s development. Sorry for the confusion, idk.

I assumed you meant compare how they’re handled by their respective teams, not compare the players directly.

I’ve said from day one that I didn’t think Puljujarvi should be in the NHL yet. Had he been sent back to Finland and then spent his 19 year old season in the AHL I think he would be a very different player.

As an aside, seeing Lucic say “you’re next, you’re fucking next” was my favourite part of the game tonight.

Honestly.

I was never confused.

I knew exactly what you were getting at.

Just wanted to point out that Pettersson is closer to mcdavid/hall then he is to Jesse at the same stages in their careers.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:30 pm

Scungilli Slushy,

Only way he gets bought out is with a compliance buyout after the next lockout (thanks, HHOFer Gary Bettman!) because his contract is essentially buyout proof (thanks, Peter Chiarelli!)

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 8:29 pm

Someone help me here.

Who the hell am I suppose to cheer for in the Ducks/FLames game tomorrow???

JimmyV1965 November 6, 2018 - 8:28 pm

OmJo: I’m not saying Puljujarvi = Pettersson. You asked who the Oilers where holding back.

I’m pointing out how Pettersson is being put in a position to succeed by the Canucks while we’re expecting our top young players to “earn” the right to be put in positions to succeed. It makes no sense to me.

Pettersson commanded his pkace in the lineup. The Canucks didn’t develop him. It was smart to let him stay an extra year abroad. That is the only comparable to JP.

HT Joe November 6, 2018 - 8:28 pm

OmJo:
What just happened?

https://youtu.be/KG6ECuCPzOY

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 8:26 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
OmJo,

There was plenty more behind that melee than the hit on Russell.Yamamoto was driven head first into the boards by Sergachev right after, no call.The Stralman mugging of McDavid.And a sundry list of others beforehand.Lucic picked a point late in the third with it basically out of hand to send a message.He done well.

If Lucic does not do whatever it takes to intimidate teams he has no use given he can’t seem to score anymore.

Even if he takes a suspension he has the rep to survive that with the league, on a team with Connor has to count.

Tampa is trying to prove they aren’t wussies – the Oilers of pre Connor – after crapping out in the playoffs again.

Lucic, Kassian, and Khaira as he learns, HAVE to be the bad cops. Or there is no point in paying them. That said I do think Khaira is the best player of the 3 and a pretty good young player.

But for Gord’s sake don’t buy out Lucic and hamstring the cap forever. Again, for no reason. Find a way to get him out if he doesn’t score or become really fearsome each game.

And I don’t buy that with how things are now he can’t do that. I’m not talking being a hack artist like some are. He doesn’t have to do that to be respected and one to be avoided.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:25 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
OmJo,

There was plenty more behind that melee than the hit on Russell.Yamamoto was driven head first into the boards by Sergachev right after, no call.The Stralman mugging of McDavid.And a sundry list of others beforehand.Lucic picked a point late in the third with it basically out of hand to send a message.He done well.

I saw the McDavid mugging early in the game, missed the Yamamoto and Russell hits. I thought he targetted Joseph specifically for the Russell hit (Kassian did the same).

Glad to see we are sending messages to the league. And I’m not talking about when Chiarelli was sending emails asking somebody to trade with him.

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 8:24 pm

Just to put icing on the cake, The oilers just dropped out of a playoff spot with this loss…

thelongdark November 6, 2018 - 8:24 pm

Crazy Pedestrian: Except Vancouver is actually winning while doing it.
If the oilers lose to Florida on Thursday, That will be a royal gut punch to my fandom. Watching both the fLames AND what was supposedly going to be terrible Cansucks at the top of the division.

I hear you.

I would submit however that the oilers schedule has been the toughest of those three teams.

But they better make hay when they can.

Rebillled November 6, 2018 - 8:22 pm

Lucic decided the Oilers couldn’t come back.

Maybe he should have done that next game.

Oz November 6, 2018 - 8:21 pm

Glovjuice,

BS that is what Joseph’s hit on Russell deserves

digger50 November 6, 2018 - 8:21 pm

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
OmJo,

There was plenty more behind that melee than the hit on Russell.Yamamoto was driven head first into the boards by Sergachev right after, no call.The Stralman mugging of McDavid.And a sundry list of others beforehand.Lucic picked a point late in the third with it basically out of hand to send a message.He done well.

I’m 100% with you on this.

Lightning well out of hand and no respect.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:19 pm

treevojo: That’s not what your original comment read like.

A sarcastic remark about Pettersson not earning his ice time, then suggesting we are screwing up Puljujarvi’s development. Sorry for the confusion, idk.

treevojo: Ok. Why don’t you name the player on Edmonton who you think is being held back so we can compare?

I assumed you meant compare how they’re handled by their respective teams, not compare the players directly.

I’ve said from day one that I didn’t think Puljujarvi should be in the NHL yet. Had he been sent back to Finland and then spent his 19 year old season in the AHL I think he would be a very different player.

As an aside, seeing Lucic say “you’re next, you’re fucking next” was my favourite part of the game tonight.

Bank Shot November 6, 2018 - 8:19 pm

At least NJ is getting pumped. Schadenfreude fuels my hockey fandom at times like these. 🙂

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 8:19 pm

We can take solice in the fact that Point will be the guy who puts Tampa in cap hell… he is better than Leon so 9 mill/ year???

Munny November 6, 2018 - 8:18 pm

Rare game where CMD was held pointless. Seemed like he saw a lot of McDonagh tonight.

Ryan November 6, 2018 - 8:18 pm

OmJo: I’m not saying Puljujarvi = Pettersson. You asked who the Oilers where holding back.

I’m pointing out how Pettersson is being put in a position to succeed by the Canucks while we’re expecting our top young players to “earn” the right to be put in positions to succeed. It makes no sense to me.

I’m going to say it.

He’s not a bust, but at this level Puljujarvi just isn’t an elite hockey player.

We have him surrounded.

He is not a guy with elite stickhandling abilities nor playmaking abilities.

While he has decent speed for a big guy, he doesn’t have an elite first step and his agility and edges are not good.

His shot is neither accurate nor a quick deceptive release.

The Oilers didn’t ruin Puljujarvi.

There is not one thing that JP does that projects to him being an impact player.

Happens ask Ryan Strome.

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 8:16 pm

OmJo,

There was plenty more behind that melee than the hit on Russell. Yamamoto was driven head first into the boards by Sergachev right after, no call. The Stralman mugging of McDavid. And a sundry list of others beforehand. Lucic picked a point late in the third with it basically out of hand to send a message. He done well.

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 8:15 pm

I can handle a loss to a better team, but a loss without a McPoint infuriates me…

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:12 pm

jp: I’m not condoning this, but has Russell been back?

(also not watching that closely at this point, so maybe I missed him out there)

Edit: yeah he’s fine. My bad.

Honestly I didn’t even see the hit from earlier. Thought Lucic just snapped, lol.

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 8:11 pm

OmJo: Okay? Again I’m not comparing the players. I’m moaning about the way we’re handling Puljujarvi. He shouldn’t be in the NHL right now.

That’s not what your original comment read like.

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 8:11 pm

Glovjuice: That should be a suspension for the free punch direct to the guys head – I can’t stand watching Lucic play in any way shape or form.

Maybe we will finally see what the team plays like with the anchor/deterrent. Tmac was never going to ever healthy scratch that guy…

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 8:11 pm

That 2 nd PP unit looked like they were playing bubble hockey

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:10 pm

If Montreal can score twice in 2 seconds McDavid can score 3 times in 2 minutes. Right?

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 8:10 pm

Crazy Pedestrian: Except Vancouver is actually winning while doing it.
If the oilers lose to Florida on Thursday, That will be a royal gut punch to my fandom. Watching both the fLames AND what was supposedly going to be terrible Cansucks at the top of the division.

Hate that idea as well.

But it’s a long season.

jp November 6, 2018 - 8:08 pm

OmJo:
All for the hit by Lucic. The punch to the head was a bit overboard (if his head bounced off the ice, it gets ugly) and it looked like he choked him a little bit (the guys neck was a bit red, idk). Keep the retaliation proportionate to the crime.

I’m not condoning this, but has Russell been back?

(also not watching that closely at this point, so maybe I missed him out there)

Edit: yeah he’s fine. My bad.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:08 pm

treevojo: No he is being put in a position to succeed because he might already be their best player.

Kind of like how Edmonton handled Mcdavid and Taylor Hall.

Okay? Again I’m not comparing the players. I’m moaning about the way we’re handling Puljujarvi. He shouldn’t be in the NHL right now.

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 8:07 pm

treevojo: No he is being put in a position to succeed because he might already be their best player.

Kind of like how Edmonton handled Mcdavid and Taylor Hall.

Except Vancouver is actually winning while doing it.
If the oilers lose to Florida on Thursday, That will be a royal gut punch to my fandom. Watching both the fLames AND what was supposedly going to be terrible Cansucks at the top of the division.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:06 pm

All for the hit by Lucic. The punch to the head was a bit overboard (if his head bounced off the ice, it gets ugly) and it looked like he choked him a little bit (the guys neck was a bit red, idk). Keep the retaliation proportionate to the crime.

Ryan November 6, 2018 - 8:04 pm

Bank Shot: Their skill sets are night and day though.

Puljujarvidoesn’t have great puck control. Doesn’t have an accurate shot. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen him beat a defenceman one on one.

Petterson has a laser beam accurate shot, can stickhandle superbly, and has insane hockey IQ.

I don’t see how playing in the NHL early would ruin Puljujarvi’s skillset if he had the potential to be on the same level as Petterson.

Babcock once said that Eberle could stickhandle in a phone booth.

Petterson can stickhandle in a phone booth around Eberle.

Glovjuice November 6, 2018 - 8:02 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Haven’t seen that Lucic in a while – I’m curious to see if that emotion parlays in to some different play on Thursday.

That should be a suspension for the free punch direct to the guys head – I can’t stand watching Lucic play in any way shape or form.

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 8:02 pm

Wilde,

If you could go ahead and compile another rage-edit for tonight’s game, that’d be greatttttt.

jp November 6, 2018 - 8:00 pm

treevojo: No he is being put in a position to succeed because he might already be their best player.

Kind of like how Edmonton handled Mcdavid and Taylor Hall.

Yeah, lighting the world on fire passes for earning it I think.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 8:00 pm

Nailer Yakumoto:
I heart Kassian.

Him chirping Stamkos with that moustache was too funny

jp November 6, 2018 - 7:59 pm

treevojo:
I love when Lucic gets that look in his eyes.

Guess I’m still old school

Gator was my favourite.

Nailer Yakumoto November 6, 2018 - 7:59 pm

I heart Kassian.

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 7:58 pm

OmJo: I’m not saying Puljujarvi = Pettersson. You asked who the Oilers where holding back.

I’m pointing out how Pettersson is being put in a position to succeed by the Canucks while we’re expecting our top young players to “earn” the right to be put in positions to succeed. It makes no sense to me.

No he is being put in a position to succeed because he might already be their best player.

Kind of like how Edmonton handled Mcdavid and Taylor Hall.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:57 pm

Scungilli Slushy: Hello friends

Just joining in. It so happens after Pettersson’s 5 pointer I looked at his scoring compared to Connor’s. I believe we are seeing Connor’s true challenger. I’m no Dys fan but as a hockey fan my goodness he has that ‘something else’ Connor has.

What’s worse he looks like a taller Wayne. Same skinny body top shelfing slappers you’d think he has no right to score on. He has that game sense that I don’t see in any younger player other than Connor at the moment.

And no, not Matthews. He’s a beast with an insane release. but it’s not the same IMO. A better Laine ATM.

Bring it. I vote Conner.

That’ll reignite the Oilers Canucks rivalry, much needed

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 7:57 pm

TB been playing dirty the whole game. I hope we see some violence here.

Sierra November 6, 2018 - 7:57 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Slashes to the hand are egregious.

Tackling the best player in the league on a scoring chance – just fine….

Seems to be that way since the Ducks playoff series

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:57 pm

Too much skill…. too much speed…..too much depth…. too much balance…. but we are tougher…..aren’t we Pete

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 7:56 pm

I love when Lucic gets that look in his eyes.

Guess I’m still old school

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 7:56 pm

Haven’t seen that Lucic in a while – I’m curious to see if that emotion parlays in to some different play on Thursday.

geowal November 6, 2018 - 7:56 pm

Holy Hell Lucic

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 7:55 pm

should I make another video

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:55 pm

What just happened?

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:54 pm

treevojo: Those two players are not in the same stratosphere right now.

There is a high probability that handling has nothing to do with it.

Puli is going to be a player.

I believe that.

If mcdavid is a god.

Pettersson just might be a Demi.

I’m not saying Puljujarvi = Pettersson. You asked who the Oilers where holding back.

I’m pointing out how Pettersson is being put in a position to succeed by the Canucks while we’re expecting our top young players to “earn” the right to be put in positions to succeed. It makes no sense to me.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 7:52 pm

Slashes to the hand are egregious.

Tackling the best player in the league on a scoring chance – just fine….

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 7:51 pm

I bet they score withing 10 sec.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:50 pm

Bank Shot: Their skill sets are night and day though.

Puljujarvidoesn’t have great puck control. Doesn’t have an accurate shot. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen him beat a defenceman one on one.

Petterson has a laser beam accurate shot, can stickhandle superbly, and has insane hockey IQ.

I don’t see how playing in the NHL early would ruin Puljujarvi’s skillset if he had the potential to be on the same level as Petterson.

His lack of skillset should have been more than enough of a reason to not play him in the NHL. He missed a year of developing his game that Pettersson got in Sweden.

Corey Pronman: He’s an unbelievable skater for a 6-foot-4 player, having a great top gear and a really fluid stride. He’s not that physically aggressive, but he closes on guys so well that he pressures and wins battles effectively. Puljujarvi shows a high-skill level, a plus shot and high-end hockey IQ. He is constantly around the puck and setting up his teammates.

You can read other reports on him here: https://lowetide.ca/2016/06/24/oilers-at-no-4-jesse-puljujarvi/

Those were the skills that Puljujarvi was supposed to have that had us all excited that he fell to 4th…

jp November 6, 2018 - 7:49 pm

Haha, the TB PBP guys watched the replay and said no contact with the head on the Russell hit. Wow.

Not saying it was an intentional head shot, but there was most definitely head contact.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 7:49 pm

Time for a shortie….

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:49 pm

What a shit back check by the Oil…. Johnson had all day

jp November 6, 2018 - 7:45 pm

Bank Shot: Their skill sets are night and day though.

Puljujarvidoesn’t have great puck control. Doesn’t have an accurate shot. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen him beat a defenceman one on one.

Petterson has a laser beam accurate shot, can stickhandle superbly, and has insane hockey IQ.

I don’t see how playing in the NHL early would ruin Puljujarvi’s skillset if he had the potential to be on the same level as Petterson.

Yeah Petterson slid a little because he was 6’2″ 165 or whatever on draft day and played in a weird league.

Also, all reports had Puljujarvi taking some time to settle into his potential, despite the obvious size and speed.

Scungilli Slushy November 6, 2018 - 7:45 pm

OmJo: Exactly. Pettersson got sent back to Sweden after being drafted. Oilers kept Puljujarvi around when he should have been sent back to Finland.

On top of that, Pettersson is playing with skilled players. Puljujarvi has had a handful of games in each season of his career with skill players. Pettersson isn’t asked to earn his icetime in the top 6 by playing with Lucic, Strome, Kassian or Brodziak.

Hello friends

Just joining in. It so happens after Pettersson’s 5 pointer I looked at his scoring compared to Connor’s. I believe we are seeing Connor’s true challenger. I’m no Dys fan but as a hockey fan my goodness he has that ‘something else’ Connor has.

What’s worse he looks like a taller Wayne. Same skinny body top shelfing slappers you’d think he has no right to score on. He has that game sense that I don’t see in any younger player other than Connor at the moment.

And no, not Matthews. He’s a beast with an insane release. but it’s not the same IMO. A better Laine ATM.

Bring it. I vote Conner.

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 7:43 pm

OmJo: Exactly. Pettersson got sent back to Sweden after being drafted. Oilers kept Puljujarvi around when he should have been sent back to Finland.

On top of that, Pettersson is playing with skilled players. Puljujarvi has had a handful of games in each season of his career with skill players. Pettersson isn’t asked to earn his icetime in the top 6 by playing with Lucic, Strome, Kassian or Brodziak.

Those two players are not in the same stratosphere right now.

There is a high probability that handling has nothing to do with it.

Puli is going to be a player.

I believe that.

If mcdavid is a god.

Pettersson just might be a Demi.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 7:42 pm

Looks like Benning has moved up to 2RD – at least on this shift.

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:41 pm

Leon got his hands back between periods phew

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:41 pm

Okay that was a beautiful play by Rattie

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 7:41 pm

So I guess Rattie is going to stick on PP1 for a while……

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 7:41 pm

Leon scored.

jp November 6, 2018 - 7:41 pm

Very nice pass by Rattie.

Bank Shot November 6, 2018 - 7:39 pm

OmJo: Exactly. Pettersson got sent back to Sweden after being drafted. Oilers kept Puljujarvi around when he should have been sent back to Finland.

On top of that, Pettersson is playing with skilled players. Puljujarvi has had a handful of games in each season of his career with skill players. Pettersson isn’t asked to earn his icetime in the top 6 by playing with Lucic, Strome, Kassian or Brodziak.

Their skill sets are night and day though.

Puljujarvi doesn’t have great puck control. Doesn’t have an accurate shot. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen him beat a defenceman one on one.

Petterson has a laser beam accurate shot, can stickhandle superbly, and has insane hockey IQ.

I don’t see how playing in the NHL early would ruin Puljujarvi’s skillset if he had the potential to be on the same level as Petterson.

jp November 6, 2018 - 7:38 pm

jtblack: You def mentioned it. True Contender team vs. a middle of the pack club on B2B.

*sigh*

Yup. Tough game to watch, but b2b and the other guys will be first overall in 20 min.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:37 pm

While 2pts would be nice, I think a more long term benefit is Strome finally getting that monkey off his back.

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:37 pm

Bowman marveling at the speed of the new NHL

Those who can’t skate shall perish…

jtblack November 6, 2018 - 7:34 pm

Lowetide:
After Two:

4-1 Tampa Bay (2-1 TBay in the second)
26-24 Edmonton shots (15-9 Edmonton)
32-31 Edmonton Corsi for 5-on-5 (14-9 Edmonton)

As I mentioned this morning, this is one of those predictable NHL outcomes.

You def mentioned it. True Contender team vs. a middle of the pack club on B2B.

*sigh*

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:33 pm

treevojo: I assumed that’s who you were talking about.

The only thing close between the twos development is where they were drafted at this point.

Exactly. Pettersson got sent back to Sweden after being drafted. Oilers kept Puljujarvi around when he should have been sent back to Finland.

On top of that, Pettersson is playing with skilled players. Puljujarvi has had a handful of games in each season of his career with skill players. Pettersson isn’t asked to earn his icetime in the top 6 by playing with Lucic, Strome, Kassian or Brodziak.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 7:33 pm

I wonder how the midterm election is going… ugggh.

Bondo11 November 6, 2018 - 7:29 pm

Sierra: True, but the guy who scored wasn’t either of theirs man.Who’s left Kucherov wide open and with plenty of time to score.

Nuge

Rebillled November 6, 2018 - 7:27 pm

My dog hates these Oilers shootings. Lucic, Caggs, Khaira

Needs 3 goals.

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 7:26 pm

OmJo: The 20 year old who’s a healthy scratch tonight?

I assumed that’s who you were talking about.

The only thing close between the twos development is where they were drafted at this point.

Sierra November 6, 2018 - 7:26 pm

Ben:
To be fair, Nurse and Russell had the guy without the puck completely under control.

True, but the guy who scored wasn’t either of theirs man. Who’s left Kucherov wide open and with plenty of time to score.

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 7:26 pm

After Two:

4-1 Tampa Bay (2-1 TBay in the second)
26-24 Edmonton shots (15-9 Edmonton)
32-31 Edmonton Corsi for 5-on-5 (14-9 Edmonton)

As I mentioned this morning, this is one of those predictable NHL outcomes.

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:25 pm

Zelepukin: Everyone passed on him, not just the Oilers.

Everyone passed on Johnson and Gourde as well… do u see a common theme?

jp November 6, 2018 - 7:24 pm

Koskinen being a good teammate, making sure there’s no goalie controversy.

(and I know, this game is not on him)

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 7:24 pm

OmJo: The 20 year old who’s a healthy scratch tonight?

How is he comparable to Petersson in any way except draft pedigree?

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:24 pm

Sens up 5-2, which is impressive considering all of the off ice drama over the past 24 hours.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 7:23 pm

Draisaitl playing with a chip on his shoulder. Good to see.

Zelepukin November 6, 2018 - 7:22 pm

Dustylegnd: Point ungodly good and played right under the nose of Oiler scouts his whole life

Everyone passed on him, not just the Oilers.

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:22 pm

Apparently Leon borrowed Lucic’s Hands tonight ….0 luck

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:22 pm

Vasilevskiy is good.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 7:21 pm

Jesus H Snowballs

Ben November 6, 2018 - 7:21 pm

To be fair, Nurse and Russell had the guy without the puck completely under control.

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:20 pm

Lowetide:
4-1. Ballgame.

This what balance looks like….. and they don’t have their best D man in the line up

Oil2Oilers November 6, 2018 - 7:20 pm

Is Russell -4 on the night?

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:19 pm

Could you imagine if McDavid had a Kucherov or Stamkos on his wing? 200pts?

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 7:19 pm

4-1. Ballgame.

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 7:19 pm

Nurse Russell -4!

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:18 pm

Jaxon,

1 drafted player (3rd) round and all 3 can fly… Point ungodly good and played right under the nose of Oiler scouts his whole life

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:17 pm

treevojo: Ok. Why don’t you name the player on Edmonton who you think is being held back so we can compare?

The 20 year old who’s a healthy scratch tonight?

jtblack November 6, 2018 - 7:17 pm

PC has done a good job building the roster

he is only 3 NHL caliber defenseman short

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:16 pm

My godcTampa can skate… making Nurse look like he is in Sand

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 7:15 pm

Bling:
Man that’s a nice tip by Gourde. No chance for Koskinen.

He’s a terrific player, grabbed from the scrap heap.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 7:15 pm

Dustylegnd:
Tampa’s 2 nd line is better than our 1st

Tampa’s 2nd line is better than their own 1st right now and one of the best lines in the NHL. Gourde-Point-Johnson have 46 points so far.

russ99 November 6, 2018 - 7:11 pm

Excellent shift, that’s what I like to see from the 4th line.

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 7:11 pm

Bling,

GM/Coach going to sit on that until it sewers our season.

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 7:11 pm

TB too scared to fight Kassian.

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 7:11 pm

Kassian with a nice hit! Then another. More please.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 7:10 pm

Perfect time for a mishandled puck. Good shift L4.

Bling November 6, 2018 - 7:10 pm

What a horrible game for Nurse/Russell. Yuck.

jp November 6, 2018 - 7:10 pm

I’m shocked they didn’t call that Kassian hit.

Bling November 6, 2018 - 7:09 pm

Man that’s a nice tip by Gourde. No chance for Koskinen.

russ99 November 6, 2018 - 7:09 pm

Holy crap, Strome!

Still the Oilers need to send a video to the league and the head of officials showing that ridiculous holding call and all the many times McDavid has been held this year with no call.

The best player in the league in his fourth season shouldn’t be getting these “rookie” calls. It’s utter horseshit.

Would love to see McLellan pay the fine after this one, would send a message to his team.

Jethro Tull November 6, 2018 - 7:08 pm

Stromeo!

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 7:08 pm

Tampa’s 2 nd line is better than our 1st

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 7:08 pm

Lol of course

Munny November 6, 2018 - 7:08 pm

Surly: Like a Ryan Strome cowboy

This is awesome.

Aww fuck

Munny November 6, 2018 - 7:07 pm

And a timely marker it is.

Sierra November 6, 2018 - 7:06 pm

The weight is lifted!

Happy for Strome

Bling November 6, 2018 - 7:06 pm

STROME!!!!!!!!!

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 7:06 pm

OmJo:
I feel like Strome ends his drought tonight. He’s got his feet moving.

Ahem.

Surly November 6, 2018 - 7:06 pm

Like a Ryan Strome cowboy…love the cut-back shots

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 7:06 pm

Ryan Strome scored. I think that’s right.

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 7:05 pm

I’m shocked Strome and Caggiula didn’t get scored on.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 7:05 pm

Strome will never score again finally scores.

jp November 6, 2018 - 7:05 pm

Amazing!!!!!!

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 7:05 pm

It happened

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 7:04 pm

WTF!!!! That wasn’t McDavid’s penalty… that should have been a TBL penalty! He leaned and grabbed McDavid because McDavid was going to beat him to the puck!

I’ve rewatched it 10 times now. That was a TB penalty! McDavid was trying to skate around him, two hands on stick, stick on ice and the TB player leaned into McDavid and took a hand off his stick and grabbed McDavid! WTF!?!

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 7:03 pm

Needed a makeup call on that trip on Nuge.

jp November 6, 2018 - 7:02 pm

Haha, really?

Oz November 6, 2018 - 7:00 pm

Unreal hockey tonight both teams. What a power play we had

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 7:00 pm

I’m surprised they called that trip.

workaroundaccount November 6, 2018 - 6:59 pm

OriginalPouzar: Who in the Oilers bottom six in any way resembles Petersson, other than age?

Barzal and Debrincat would have been similar.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:58 pm

Bling:
OmJo,

I actually liked Rattie there. Won a couple loose pucks and promptly handed things over to McDavid.

Early on he almost cleared the puck a couple times. Got better as the PP went on though, yeah.

Bling November 6, 2018 - 6:57 pm

OmJo,

I actually liked Rattie there. Won a couple loose pucks and promptly handed things over to McDavid.

Sierra November 6, 2018 - 6:56 pm

Kassian and Brodziak fly the zone and the Bolts ring it off the crossbar.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:55 pm

That “bingggg” was awesome. Lmao.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:55 pm

Damn.

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 6:55 pm

Munny,

It’s calked Vasilefeski

Ben November 6, 2018 - 6:55 pm

That looked in.

Edit: But was not

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 6:54 pm

Great PP

Munny November 6, 2018 - 6:54 pm

Gravel has had the yips tonight.

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 6:54 pm

That’s what it looks like when the PP1 does its best 3rd line impression.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:53 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Rattie gets the PP1 spot.

Looked a bit out of place IMO.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:53 pm

Puck never left the TBL zone on that PP – sigh.

That was the first slapshot I’ve ever seen McDavid take.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 6:53 pm

Wow what a powerplay but no dice.

TBL has a pretty passive PK tho.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:53 pm

Now this is how you power play!

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 6:51 pm

McDavud created 4 HDSC IN 40 seconds on the Zpp

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:51 pm

How has the PP not scored yet? Sigh.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:50 pm

Rattie gets the PP1 spot.

jtblack November 6, 2018 - 6:50 pm

Yes. 4L & 1 R !!!

Munny November 6, 2018 - 6:50 pm

They still call Interference?

Who knew.

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 6:50 pm

Wilde:
The Oilers will have to pay me to refrain from releasing this foolproof method of defending against McDavid’s line:

https://streamable.com/83fwl

That makes me sick…
FACK the REF MAFIA!!!

jp November 6, 2018 - 6:50 pm

I was worried they were gonna call Caggiula on that haha

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 6:49 pm

Personally, I think nurse thinks the game just fine. He’s positionally quite aware and usually picks up the correct player in his zone. He can skate the puck out or pass to relieve pressure. But I know from experience that playing with an unpredictable or unorthodox partner is hell on D. Your doing your job, but your partner makes everything unpredictable. You have to go out of position to cover for them and then things start to snowball and the next thing you know the puck is in your net.

Ben November 6, 2018 - 6:49 pm

This is looking more like a Losskinen than a Koskiwin.

Bling November 6, 2018 - 6:48 pm

Vasilevsky with some luck today lol

Richard S.S. November 6, 2018 - 6:48 pm

Which Oiler score the Game winning goal in this Game?

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:47 pm

OmJo:
Why isn’t Elias Pettersson not playing on Vancouver’s bottom 6???

Who in the Oilers bottom six in any way resembles Petersson, other than age?

Munny November 6, 2018 - 6:47 pm

My Gord.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:46 pm

Lowetide:
Fantastic defensive play by Russell. My.

After he gave the puck away in the offensive zone leading to the rush against, no?

Bling November 6, 2018 - 6:46 pm

I liked that back check by Russell and then the shot at Stamkos by Caggiula. Take that, Steve!

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 6:45 pm

OmJo: B-b-b-but he has to earn it! What kind of circus are they running in Vancouver?

Ok. Why don’t you name the player on Edmonton who you think is being held back so we can compare?

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:45 pm

Lowetide:
After One:

2-0 Tampa Bay

Shots 15-11 Tampa Bay
Corsi for 22-18 Tampa Bay

Folks, these guys are playing their best.

No they aren’t (in my opinion) – Kris Russell certainly wasn’t.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 6:45 pm

Holy shite, Russell, quit roaming all over hell’s half acre. Grrr… announcers are making him into a hero for getting back on his own screw-up.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 6:45 pm

I am enjoying the Oilers physicality tonight. More of that please.

Dustylegnd November 6, 2018 - 6:45 pm

The draft and develop savey of the Tampa Bay organization is beyond impressive. The second goal was scored by the combination of Point 3 rd round Gourde un drafted and Johnson I drafted. Other than Mcdavid and Draisaittle Point is a better player than every other Oiler forward. Johnson and Gourde score at a better rate than every Oiler but 3. Miles to go with our depth and development

Nurse is lost out there, caught flat footed vs Johnson (Barb Underhill) he just doesn’t think the game at an elite level…. I watch this kid in Vancouver score at will and shake my head in envy as I watch Puljujarvi and Yamamoto accomplish 0 on the score sheet.

Our development system is broken …. and without Mcdavid we are a beyond ordinary

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 6:43 pm

Fantastic defensive play by Russell. My.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 6:42 pm

The Oilers will have to pay me to refrain from releasing this foolproof method of defending against McDavid’s line:

https://streamable.com/83fwl

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 6:42 pm

Rebillled:
Have no idea how the refs don’t give that McDavid penalty.

Dog has not enjoyed the swearing. Strome’s shooting doesn’t help.

The Ref mafia must have been payed off, and now Introduced this rule behind closed doors:
“All infractions against McDavid shall hearby not be considered an infraction until the game is out of reach, or if there is an obvious occasion where not calling the penalty would put the ref mafia under the microscope”

Add: “and for an extra fee (nightly per player), the above rule may extend to any other oilers player”

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:40 pm

treevojo: Could be cause he is fackin awesome at the hackey

B-b-b-but he has to earn it! What kind of circus are they running in Vancouver?

Richard S.S. November 6, 2018 - 6:37 pm

The blatant anti-Oiler bias is disgustingly apparent once again.

workaroundaccount November 6, 2018 - 6:35 pm

Can’t wait for the day when Connor has earned his stripes and can grind a star dmans face into the ice 5ft from the ref.

treevojo November 6, 2018 - 6:33 pm

OmJo:
Why isn’t Elias Pettersson not playing on Vancouver’s bottom 6???

Could be cause he is fackin awesome at the hackey

Rebillled November 6, 2018 - 6:33 pm

Lowetide,

So, Edmonton does come back tonight.

Goilers!

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:32 pm

It’s going to be crazy when Stamkos signs a 8 year, $8M contract (that’s $1M/year) to play with Austin “he can skate and shoot” Matthews and Jonathan Tavares in Toronto/the actual Garden of Eden.

Rebillled November 6, 2018 - 6:31 pm

Have no idea how the refs don’t give that McDavid penalty.

Dog has not enjoyed the swearing. Strome’s shooting doesn’t help.

JimmyV1965 November 6, 2018 - 6:30 pm

That may be the worst non call I’ve ever seen. And there’s been plenty against McDavid

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 6:30 pm

I hate watching chippy games like this because you know we will get called for everything and the other team can just interfere and hack away. Makes it impossible to compete.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:29 pm

Why isn’t Elias Pettersson not playing on Vancouver’s bottom 6???

Chelios is a Dinosaur November 6, 2018 - 6:28 pm

Lowetide,

Agreed, this team might not win this game and might trip over themselves from time to time for the rest of the year, but they have some jam thats for sure.

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 6:26 pm

After One:

2-0 Tampa Bay

Shots 15-11 Tampa Bay
Corsi for 22-18 Tampa Bay

Folks, these guys are playing their best.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:26 pm

Chelios is a Dinosaur:
Thats too bad, I’m not sure that was a 2-0 period.

If not for Koskinen and Vasilevskiy that would have been a 4-2 period (for TBL) Imo

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 6:26 pm

Alright guys… pack it up, oilers done for the night. Not coming back from that back breaker…

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:25 pm

I feel like Strome ends his drought tonight. He’s got his feet moving.

Bling November 6, 2018 - 6:24 pm

Russell was awful that period, yikes.

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 6:23 pm

We got absolutely wrecked by the lack of calls that period.

Bling November 6, 2018 - 6:23 pm

Nurse/Russell pairing getting their souls owned.

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 6:23 pm

Tampa Bay up 2-0, I don’t think Edmonton comes back tonight. We’ll see.

Younger Oil November 6, 2018 - 6:23 pm

Nurse really doesn’t look like a Top 4 Dman on a playoff team.

Chelios is a Dinosaur November 6, 2018 - 6:22 pm

Thats too bad, I’m not sure that was a 2-0 period.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:22 pm

Bad pinch by Kris Russell.

Russell has been a plus this year but he’s got primary culpability on the first goal and culpability on the 2nd as well.

Professor Q November 6, 2018 - 6:22 pm

I have only seen bits and pieces of the period this far. I missed the plays on McDavid and these non-calls.

I assume more grappling and hauling down that went uncalled, and then softer calls on Edmonton?

Bling November 6, 2018 - 6:21 pm

What a glove save from Koskinen on Kucherov there. Brilliant stuff.

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 6:20 pm

One of the most poorly reffed periods I’ve seen in so long. Also TB is so far and away a superior team.

Bling November 6, 2018 - 6:20 pm

Yamamoto steal, Strome shoots it over the glass.

:/

npanciroli November 6, 2018 - 6:19 pm

What the actual fuck is the reffing in this game.

Bling November 6, 2018 - 6:18 pm

Absolute joke Strahlman on McDavid. How is that not a penalty?

workaroundaccount November 6, 2018 - 6:18 pm

Professor Q:
Connor McDavid: Clown Car Chance Machine.

If he had better luck, he’d have 5 goals and 5 assists per game.

Is that what kids are calling teammates these days?

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:18 pm

A lot of people didn’t think that was a penalty on McDavid. It was a penalty. Just one zebra didn’t think it was a penalty…

Munny November 6, 2018 - 6:17 pm

I can’t recall ever seeing Larsson try that before.

(overshadowed by the redic non-call on CMD)

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 6:17 pm

OmJo:
McDavid out there with Strome and Lucic

Yamamoto really not getting any love is he…

It should be:
McDavid out there with “insert any names not including Lucic”

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:16 pm

LMHF#1: No way. Shot it into him. Had all kinds of net and didn’t bare down.

I’d encourage you to go back and take a look at where the puck was when it came to him – far from a plus shooting spot – it was in tight to his body and he did a good job to put in on net.

He also did not “shoot it in to him” – the goalie was dove across the net to make the save – its not like he hit a stationary goalie.

Professor Q November 6, 2018 - 6:15 pm

Rieder had a lot of time to get onside, and there is just no excuse for him not to have had done so.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:15 pm

LMHF#1: No way. Shot it into him. Had all kinds of net and didn’t bare down.

He had a wide open net, released the shot as quick as he could and Vasilevskiy made an impossible save lol. He was out of position and just dived for it.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:15 pm

OmJo:
Did I just hear Lucic is 3rd in the league in points with 50?

Hits

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:14 pm

McDavid out there with Strome and Lucic

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 6:14 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Goodness, Vasilevskiy is “lucky” – Oilers could easily have a couple.

FTFY

Did I do that right?

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:12 pm

Is it just me or do the Lightning pass more than other teams? Seems like they pass a lot.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:12 pm

Goodness, Vasilevskiy is good – Oilers could easily have a couple.

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 6:11 pm

Leon Draisaitl is a combination of Frank and Pete Mahovlich.

jp November 6, 2018 - 6:11 pm

Oilers are getting quite a few nice looks.

Professor Q November 6, 2018 - 6:11 pm

LMHF#1: How so?

It was a bad shot. He didn’t execute.

I wouldn’t normally point this out…but this is *exactly* the sort of thing that gets treated as luck and simply isn’t.

What do you mean? A shot that went through two defenders and almost went into the net if not for the goalie accidentally hitting it with his head at *just* the right angle (the puck had already beaten him and was behind his body) while sprawling for the save?

Good shot. Lucky and good save.

LMHF#1 November 6, 2018 - 6:09 pm

OmJo: The shot was saved by Vasilevskiy.

No way. Shot it into him. Had all kinds of net and didn’t bare down.

Chelios is a Dinosaur November 6, 2018 - 6:08 pm

Real nice backcheck by Yamamoto

Professor Q November 6, 2018 - 6:08 pm

Connor McDavid: Clown Car Chance Machine.

If he had better luck, he’d have 5 goals and 5 assists per game.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:08 pm

Did I just hear Lucic is 3rd in the league in points with 50?

Munny November 6, 2018 - 6:08 pm

They seem to have lost their plane legs.

Caller Zen November 6, 2018 - 6:07 pm

Strome with little confidence differing to Lucic

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:05 pm

LMHF#1: How so?

It was a bad shot. He didn’t execute.

I wouldn’t normally point this out…but this is *exactly* the sort of thing that gets treated as luck and simply isn’t.

The shot was saved by Vasilevskiy.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 6:05 pm

I’m a bit behind… had my feed paused for a while. Russell really screwed up there. I have to feel for Nurse on that one. Russell looked like he was going to cross to chase Stamkos, so Nurse started to look for someone else to cover, then Russell changed his mind leaving Stamkos alone and Nurse in no man’s land.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 6:04 pm

LMHF#1: How so?

It was a bad shot. He didn’t execute.

I wouldn’t normally point this out…but this is *exactly* the sort of thing that gets treated as luck and simply isn’t.

That was not an easy shot to make at all – that puck was tight to the body – I think he did a fine job to get it on net.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 6:04 pm

Thought Nurse scored there!

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 6:04 pm

Nurse with the post there.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 6:03 pm

Best shift of the game.

Crazy Pedestrian November 6, 2018 - 6:03 pm

Almost 10min in, lightning already have 10 shots…

LMHF#1 November 6, 2018 - 6:01 pm

russ99:
That was unlucky.

How so?

It was a bad shot. He didn’t execute.

I wouldn’t normally point this out…but this is *exactly* the sort of thing that gets treated as luck and simply isn’t.

Bling November 6, 2018 - 5:59 pm

Nuge with another sneaky takeaway.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 5:59 pm

Nice to see TMac yapping at the refs.

Chelios is a Dinosaur November 6, 2018 - 5:59 pm

97 takes three of those per shift.

russ99 November 6, 2018 - 5:58 pm

Getting good looks.

Where was the penalty?

russ99 November 6, 2018 - 5:57 pm

That was unlucky.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 5:57 pm

Just an unconscious no-look though. Gretzkyesque.

Chelios is a Dinosaur November 6, 2018 - 5:56 pm

Dammit McDavid making even the sure losses worth watching.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 5:55 pm

Pardon my Français

LMHF#1 November 6, 2018 - 5:55 pm

Rattie with the throwaway…that will haunt them tonight.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 5:55 pm

Fuck me that would have been a nice play…

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 5:55 pm

My god that was close.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:54 pm

What a play by McDavid and what a save – sigh.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 5:54 pm

Stupid head.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan November 6, 2018 - 5:53 pm

Professor Q: I’ve wanted Edmonton to do this for years.

Oilers have all the smart people they need. Just ask them if you don’t believe me.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:52 pm

Glovjuice: Are clients not paying for your world travels?

As of right now, probably a 35% chance I have to cancel my trip to Sri Lanka in December because of work, so…..

Professor Q November 6, 2018 - 5:51 pm

Almost no chance there.

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 5:51 pm

Holy shit,
Puck management nightmare
Seeing bad bad decisions everywhere
Hang goalie out to dry again
Talbot’s not the problem

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 5:51 pm

1-0, nice shot by Stamkos, Oilers look exactly as I suggested in the morning post.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:51 pm

Not good by Kris Russell, not good.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 5:51 pm

Fuck me that was a nice play…

LMHF#1 November 6, 2018 - 5:51 pm

Great assist Kris…oh wait…

Munny November 6, 2018 - 5:51 pm

Thatwasaboltoflightning

Oil2Oilers November 6, 2018 - 5:51 pm

Strategically speaking, sitting Puljujarvi over Lucic against a fast team is next level stupid.

Glovjuice November 6, 2018 - 5:50 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Given how damn tired I am (stupid clients), this anthem is hurting my head.

Awful.

Are clients not paying for your world travels?

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:48 pm

Big early save by Koskinen….

A second big early save by Koskinen….

Munny November 6, 2018 - 5:48 pm

The danger of going for the big hit.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 5:47 pm

Smart on Koski to get a whistle on that.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:43 pm

Is a 1.98 (GAA) / .935 (S%) good?

jp November 6, 2018 - 5:42 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Chiasson must be one of the guys “banged up”.

This is a good spot for Yamamoto – he’s done well with Strome in exhibition at least:

RNH-McDavid-Rattie
Rieder-Draisaitl-Caggiula
Lucic-Strome-Yamamoto
Khiara-Brodziak-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Gravel-Benning

Koskinen

Well damn, I thought one of 4th line would come out.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:38 pm

Given how damn tired I am (stupid clients), this anthem is hurting my head.

Awful.

Munny November 6, 2018 - 5:38 pm

It’s so refreshing to be looking forward to games with anticipation. Dread sucks.

Not that my expectations for points tonight are high. But I think the game will be a fun one.

That truly was a -moment- of silence.

Professor Q November 6, 2018 - 5:35 pm

OriginalPouzar:
I wonder if the arrangement is exclusive meaning that Oats cannot be retained by individual players as he has in the past:

LA Kings

Verified account

@LAKings1h1 hour ago
More
LA Kings announce they have reached a consulting agreement with Adam Oates. The Hockey Hall of Famer will provide the club with advice regarding player skills evaluation and development.

I’ve wanted Edmonton to do this for years.

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 5:33 pm

OriginalPouzar,

I’d think he’s savvy enough to retain his outside consulting practice, they shouldn’t be mutually exclusive. He’s on record saying he doesn’t talk systems and team strategy with players, and focuses on individual skills.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 5:30 pm

OriginalPouzar:
With Chiasson banged up, I wonder who might fill the spot on PP1 he had last game?

Yamamoto?

Probably just go back to the original 5L

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:28 pm

I wonder if the arrangement is exclusive meaning that Oats cannot be retained by individual players as he has in the past:

LA Kings

Verified account

@LAKings
1h1 hour ago
More
LA Kings announce they have reached a consulting agreement with Adam Oates. The Hockey Hall of Famer will provide the club with advice regarding player skills evaluation and development.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:25 pm

With Chiasson banged up, I wonder who might fill the spot on PP1 he had last game?

Yamamoto?

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:23 pm

Jack Michaels

Verified account

@EdmontonJack
14m14 minutes ago
More Jack Michaels Retweeted Bob Stauffer
McLellan alluded to having to check on some guys’ status; strong hunch is that Chiasson among others got a little nicked up last night in Washington.

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 5:22 pm

Woodguy v2.0: I thought only a handful of posters at lowetide.ca disliked the GM?

it’s true, only a handful dislike him
The rest want to tie his feet to the back of a galloping horse
That way he can have plenty of rope

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 5:21 pm

Chiasson must be one of the guys “banged up”.

This is a good spot for Yamamoto – he’s done well with Strome in exhibition at least:

RNH-McDavid-Rattie
Rieder-Draisaitl-Caggiula
Lucic-Strome-Yamamoto
Khiara-Brodziak-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Gravel-Benning

Koskinen

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 5:20 pm

LMHF#1: Chiasson hurt?

If he isn’t – wtaf???

Agreed.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 5:19 pm

Woodguy v2.0: I took a lot of heat on twitter suggesting the 3rd line wasn’t a huge issue as long as they weren’t being outscored.

That could read ”every line wasn’t a huge issue as long as they weren’t being outscored,” which is basically the definition of good hockeying. Weird.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 5:13 pm

Bruce McCurdy: Link?

uploading now

I was trying to work in an audio overdub of Jack Edward’s delayed “WHAT.” from a couple nights ago when Marchand got a high sticking penalty for CLEARLY missing Ryan Ellis (and Ellis sold the hell out of it, resulting in Marchand mocking him flamboyantly and earning a 2 for unsportsmanlike plus a misconduct)

(link for that play is here: https://youtu.be/3gs3MIRoUgE?t=60 – the timing on it is SO so good.)

but if it was the only audio it’d be pretty much an unintentional jump-scare (esp. for headphone users) so I would have had to blend it in with the SN audio and I’m not good enough with the program yet

there was so much potential!!

Woodguy v2.0 November 6, 2018 - 5:13 pm

Lowetide:
Via Bob:

Oilers vs TB:

RNH-McDavid-Rattie
Rieder-Draisaitl-Caggiula
Lucic-Strome-Yamamoto
Khiara-Brodziak-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Gravel-Benning

Koskinen

AccountabiliTodd

BornInAGretzkyJersey November 6, 2018 - 5:13 pm

LMHF#1,

Coach mentioned some banged up bodies in his pre-game presser today. Hope it’s nothing major.

LMHF#1 November 6, 2018 - 5:11 pm

Lowetide:
Via Bob:

Oilers vs TB:

RNH-McDavid-Rattie
Rieder-Draisaitl-Caggiula
Lucic-Strome-Yamamoto
Khiara-Brodziak-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Gravel-Benning

Koskinen

Chiasson hurt?

If he isn’t – wtaf???

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 5:10 pm

Via Bob:

Oilers vs TB:

RNH-McDavid-Rattie
Rieder-Draisaitl-Caggiula
Lucic-Strome-Yamamoto
Khiara-Brodziak-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Gravel-Benning

Koskinen

Richard S.S. November 6, 2018 - 4:59 pm

OriginalPouzar,

Please.

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 4:55 pm

Please be good to each other. Thanks.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 4:51 pm

Richard S.S.:
If I have a choice between having the third line scoring well and hoping they don’t leak goals or the third line defending very well and unlucky at scoring, I take the latter – Defense matters.

Can I vote for scoring a bit and not leaking goals?

Its coming, it has to.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 4:47 pm

Richard S.S.:
If I have a choice between having the third line scoring well and hoping they don’t leak goals or the third line defending very well and unlucky at scoring, I take the latter – Defense matters.

Defense matters, but offense wins hockey games. We have an unoptimized top 6 because of how much money is being put on the 4a (3rd) line. It’s nice they aren’t bleeding goals, but we should aim a bit higher than that.

Sierra November 6, 2018 - 4:44 pm

Richard S.S.:
Sierra,

Don’t be an ass. Oiler defense and Goalie forgot that all 4th lines occasionally score.Letting them do it twice is absurd.

Who’s being the ass here? Pretty sure it’s not me so that only leaves you.

Your exact words “Any Team that gets scored upon by an opponents fourth line should be embarrassed.” Now you backpedal claiming it’s embaressing when they score twice even though that’s not what you wrote.

Richard S.S. November 6, 2018 - 4:36 pm

If I have a choice between having the third line scoring well and hoping they don’t leak goals or the third line defending very well and unlucky at scoring, I take the latter – Defense matters.

Lowetide November 6, 2018 - 4:32 pm

drglen:
the 1978 Bowman Habs reference is awesome.

Lowetide, I too was a bruins fan as a kid and still am. Oil 1 , bruins 2, .. used to draw pictures of Phil Esposito in elementary school.

Damn you Lafleur, Damn you Lambert!

That stupid too many men penalty. Lambert! Gah!

Woodguy v2.0 November 6, 2018 - 4:17 pm

Bruce McCurdy: In the last two games Oilers fourth line is +2/-4 & third line is +0/-0. Which is preferable? Seems obvious to me but I got a lot of feedback yesterday challenging my assertion that Mister Zero (Strome) has any value at all.

No shit eh?

I took a lot of heat on twitter suggesting the 3rd line wasn’t a huge issue as long as they weren’t being outscored.

I like their game last night.

Eller is one of the better 3Cs in the league and they had 67% of the shots against him.

Woodguy v2.0 November 6, 2018 - 4:11 pm

russ99,

Seems fans with certain agendas

I’m not sure that wanting a GM who doesn’t piss away talent, value and cap space is an agenda.

stush18 November 6, 2018 - 4:02 pm
Bling November 6, 2018 - 4:00 pm

Bruce McCurdy: In the last two games Oilers fourth line is +2/-4 & third line is +0/-0. Which is preferable? Seems obvious to me but I got a lot of feedback yesterday challenging my assertion that Mister Zero (Strome) has any value at all.

In defence of the 4th line, in Detroit, one of those goals was that freak bounce off the backboards and another was a bad giveaway by Nurse.

Khaira had a bad giveaway yesterday that led to a goal.

Woodguy v2.0 November 6, 2018 - 3:59 pm

dustrock:
Poor Daniel is getting some rough comments in that Athletic piece on Chia.

I thought only a handful of posters at lowetide.ca disliked the GM?

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 3:33 pm

OmJo: I’m probably going to hell for laughing at this.

Let’s be honest,
We’re probably all going to hell

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 3:27 pm

Jaxon: I get what you’re saying. Nuge was playing offensive hockey last season without McDavid. I don’t see it as punishment, I see it as spreading the talent around if it works. Right now, they’re still a winning team with McDavid on and a losing team with McDavid off.

Prior to last night’s game, they were 61% goal share in the previous 7 games with McDavid off the ice – its getting better, much better.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 3:26 pm

Bruce McCurdy: In the last two games Oilers fourth line is +2/-4 & third line is +0/-0. Which is preferable? Seems obvious to me but I got a lot of feedback yesterday challenging my assertion that Mister Zero (Strome) has any value at all.

We’re spending $9M just to break even. Yikes.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 3:26 pm

B S: Think the Oilers lost a pick when they hired Mclellan. I could be wrong, but I honestly can’t remember any other team turning over picks because of that stupid rule. I thought the league stopped it before anyone else had to pay up.

They also lost a pick when they hired Chiarelli.

I think it was a 2nd and a 3rd.

Rule was changed shortly thereafter.

Could use two more talented players in our system that would be about 20-21 about now…..

ArmchairGM November 6, 2018 - 3:25 pm

open ice:
Sounds like Ottawa needs someone who is “good in the room”.Lucic?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXLV_DMKa0

drglen November 6, 2018 - 3:23 pm

Pescador,

Well he’s channeling Brent Burns maybe.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 3:22 pm

Pescador: Dustin Penner never played in the NHL again after he threw his back out eating pancakes.
That’s a cold hard fact

I’m probably going to hell for laughing at this.

drglen November 6, 2018 - 3:20 pm

Bruce McCurdy: In the last two games Oilers fourth line is +2/-4 & third line is +0/-0. Which is preferable? Seems obvious to me but I got a lot of feedback yesterday challenging my assertion that Mister Zero (Strome) has any value at all.

You design a professional team to win games, not play even/neutral. Strome is a good hockey player but I think he can be easily interchanged with others of same ilk…. I’d even sweeten with a prospect (AHL ceiling quality) for something different, to get a scorer of some kind. Look you’ve got to score in the NHL.. if you can’t hit a target then what are you doing in the NHL. Strome right now reminds me of Marc Arcabello. Or, .. bring up marody and sit Strome.

4th line yikes. Where is the hole on this line, where is the blown coverage. I like the line, and I think it intimidates and loosens the opposition, but D is being blown. Bad bounces should not really be damning but missed coverage/pick ups, is… I just think they had a bad game.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 3:20 pm

drglen: team TODD is better than Joel.

Never.

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 3:11 pm

We’re not talking about Benning much… that’s solid
strong>drglen,

Except that haircut,

If I was the coach he’s not seeing the ice again until he cleans that part of his game up

drglen November 6, 2018 - 3:09 pm

russ99: Kind of funny to quote expected goals on Strome when I don’t recall a single shot of his this year that challenged the goalie.

Speed isn’t the issue for that line, shot quality is. But as long as they’re not getting caved at the other end, I’d give them 10 more games or so to see if something shifts. Puljujarvi has been better at getting to the high-scoring areas since his pressboxing, so something might shake loose.

The tricky part is that Rattie is a much better overall player with McDavid and Nuge than Caggiula, so how does that shake loose when he Rattie is back on the first line?

Wouldn’t be a good message to Caggiula to get pressbox/4th line duty after playing so well in a pinch.

Put him on 4th line, make changes in Game. I personally think they should sit Lucic and put yam on 3 instead, but we are a couple games from that. I think coaches and Drake himself understands his value, which is his tenacity and versatility up the lineup. I don’t think even sitting him hurts his ego… the soccer analogy, a really valuable substitution.

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 3:07 pm

OmJo: Yakupov says hi.

Dustin Penner never played in the NHL again after he threw his back out eating pancakes.
That’s a cold hard fact

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 2:56 pm

OriginalPouzar:
“No, a guy shouldn’t lose his job due to injury so when Ty comes back he’ll be playing with some good players and he’ll dictate whether he stays there or not.”

Sounds to me like Ty will be back to 1RW

Yakupov says hi.

russ99 November 6, 2018 - 2:48 pm

LadiesloveSmid: s

Kind of funny to quote expected goals on Strome when I don’t recall a single shot of his this year that challenged the goalie.

Speed isn’t the issue for that line, shot quality is. But as long as they’re not getting caved at the other end, I’d give them 10 more games or so to see if something shifts. Puljujarvi has been better at getting to the high-scoring areas since his pressboxing, so something might shake loose.

The tricky part is that Rattie is a much better overall player with McDavid and Nuge than Caggiula, so how does that shake loose when he Rattie is back on the first line?

Wouldn’t be a good message to Caggiula to get pressbox/4th line duty after playing so well in a pinch.

McSorley33 November 6, 2018 - 2:37 pm

Wilde,

93 – 97 – 8

22 – 29 – 39

91 – 18 – 98

16 – 28 – 56
******************************************************************
I think it is reasonable to conclude we, at the moment, are all pretty happy with
Lines 1 & 2.

I really like these lines you have…and I would like to give the 3rd line a run with some speed on the wings – just for a few games.

drglen November 6, 2018 - 2:26 pm

the 1978 Bowman Habs reference is awesome.

Lowetide, I too was a bruins fan as a kid and still am. Oil 1 , bruins 2, .. used to draw pictures of Phil Esposito in elementary school.

Damn you Lafleur, Damn you Lambert!

drglen November 6, 2018 - 2:16 pm

I would not fire Todd or consider quenville. Todd HAS been less stubborn this year, and actually, has out-coached most of us, especially me, most nights. I really think he is LISTENING to his assistants, team TODD is better than Joel. Given the pressure he is under, and given that the team is , still, exceeding expectations, we need to give credit where credit is due.

That said, …..

The lucic thing is a problem, and ego/room/culture is important. I think Todd should make ‘in game’ changes… Start Lucic on 3 and say Yam or Drake on 4, … then move them in game. It will be seemless and seem situational.

Very interested to see the rattie effect on top line, which is subtle. I think rattie thinks the emerging play, 2 or 3 passes ahead, like the other guys, like a chess player. Yam and Drake, .. good players, they don’t have this kind of cerebral depth if you will. Maybe Yam will get it, but not now. I like Yam though, he’s a catalyst.

Honestly, I like the idea of looking at the team like a soccer team, where guys sub in and out, (not in game of course, but on alternate games) … keeps it fresh, motivated, unpredictable.

Talbot, there’s a book on Talbot now. I’m sure players in the league talk about where to shoot on him in the first few minutes of a game. Got to look at the facts folks. Now, he can get red hot, but his save percentage is where it is and that’a a fact. Ride the new guy.

I like the bruiser 4th line, … but I’d also like to see like some of you are suggesting, a kind of ‘more skilled than you think’ 4th line.

Tampa Bay is a good team.

We’re not talking about Benning much… that’s solid.

stush18 November 6, 2018 - 2:12 pm

dustrock,

Not saying he needs to.

I’m saying I would like him to, because of his skill set. Having a big moving centreman like him who’s already as defensively aware as him would be massive.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 2:09 pm

——————————————————————————————————–

Bakersfield Condors
‏Verified account
@Condors

1 minute ago

TRANSACTIONS:
Stuart Skinner and Nolan Vesey have been assigned to the @Wichita_Thunder.

John McFarland has been recalled from Wichita and will meet the team in Iowa.

——————————————————————————————————–

MacFarland was intriguing from my early viewings and Nolan Vesey wasn’t a factor in the Condors’ success

Skinner I just want to play, don’t care where

dustrock November 6, 2018 - 2:01 pm

Hall doesn’t need to play center to be effective. Neither should Puljujarvi.

Kinger_Oil.redux November 6, 2018 - 1:52 pm

– If Milan and Strome and Pool are done, and never score another goal ever, because one is too old, the other not enough hockey IQ, and Strome a floater I will eat my hat

– That we are on a 100+ pace with no production from 3rd line is an opportunity.

– They could go on a heater, or they could pick up the slack if/when other lines have bad streaks

– Talbot has been very disappointing this year. His GAA% is 29th amongst starters with min. 5 games, he not exactly getting peppered with shots , team has done job (he’s 11th), and every goalie that has more shots against has a higher SV% (except Allen)

– His EV SV% needs to be 10% higher IMO (he’s 19th from goalies with 5+ starts

– Vs the PP, team has done league average job of limiting shots against him, yet is SV% is an awful (41st out of 42!) .750: only Petr Mazrek has worse

– Of his 11 starts, he’s had 5 that were quality, 3 really bad and 3 meh…

– His Goals saved is below average vs. league average goalies

– Starters with .899 sv% in 11 games: that’s more on them than the team, especially this team which has done their job

– As much as some players have met the challenges and ran with opportunities (Chiasson, Rattie, Reider), Talbot has not stepped up IMO

– So if you think that Talbot can be better (I’m not sure), or that Koski is the real deal (I’m not sure, but team seems to like him, and he hasn’t let in as many Talbot specials), then there is upside to this team’s goalie performance

– And if you think that Lucic-Strome-Pool will actually score at 3rd line rates, more upside on the secondary scoring

– As well as the team has done, it has done so with some poor performances, from players who could/should improve, providing upside to their current performance

– Knowing what I know, I know the players know that Talbot is not been good. Talbot knows he’s not been good. Koski has a golden opportunity, and the team really wants a goalie to be good, and in a small sample size Koski has been good.

GOILERS!!!

stush18 November 6, 2018 - 1:36 pm

Jaxon,

I was asking this on Twitter. What gives a team more success?

COL runs the shit out of Landeskog-Mckinnon-Rantanen
BOS runs the shit out of Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak

I’d argue these teams are outperforming their rosters, and it’s because these lines are producing so much.

Kind of cherry picking a stat with Kucherov.

8 of the top 10 scorers are players from teams that run their players on one line.

flyfish1168 November 6, 2018 - 1:31 pm

As much as I like Milan it is time PC needs to sit him down for a chat. He is the common demoninator for PP and the 3rd line pitfalls. JMHO

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 1:29 pm

The possible good: Edmonton is up to 50+% chance at the playoffs according to Dom L from the Athletic’s model.

The possible bad: McDavid, Nuge, Klef, Rieder and Caggiula have meaningfully increased their value added, with Rattie, Puljujarvi, Nurse, Yamamoto, Benning, and Strome decreasing theirs.

LadiesloveSmid November 6, 2018 - 1:25 pm

Bruce McCurdy: In the last two games Oilers fourth line is +2/-4 & third line is +0/-0. Which is preferable? Seems obvious to me but I got a lot of feedback yesterday challenging my assertion that Mister Zero (Strome) has any value at all.

Interesting to me that Strome and Draisaitl are both over 50% xGF while Lucic is under 47%. He may be as bad as people say. Strome’s underlying numbers look good, it really just is a matter of time.

VOR November 6, 2018 - 1:25 pm

Bruce McCurdy: In the last two games Oilers fourth line is +2/-4 & third line is +0/-0. Which is preferable? Seems obvious to me but I got a lot of feedback yesterday challenging my assertion that Mister Zero (Strome) has any value at all.

It is the prejudice of box cars. Sometimes it seems like fans think hockey has artistic impression points.

LMHF#1 November 6, 2018 - 1:25 pm

Such bad timing for Quenneville to become available.

Off-season? Easy. Bad start? Easy. Medium start? Maybe.

Now this good start may have put the Oilers on a path away from where they should be. We’ll never know…ah well…

Buddy November 6, 2018 - 1:20 pm

Just read Daniel Nugent-Bowman’s piece on Chiarelli over at The Athletic. If that’s an accurate portrait of what Chiarelli thinks, we’re doomed. Doesn’t sound like he’s learned anything from any of his mistakes. Sigh.

flyfish1168 November 6, 2018 - 1:18 pm

If I was Tmac I would sit out Khaira and Kassian.

Have the 4th line of Drake and Jesse with Kyle. Also alternate Connor and Leon in as the 4th line center to get them extra minutes. JMHO

Alpine November 6, 2018 - 1:03 pm

hunter1909: I dont remember RNH playing anything other than his usual underwhelming game last season, but when the team is that bad i stop paying attention.

Like the last game: Talbot in goal, 2 quick ones and game over 10 minutes into the 1st, lol

Nuge had 32 points in 46 games before injury last year, a 57 point pace. I would consider that offensive and quite a few of those games he had 27 on his left wing and who the hell knows on his right.

Doug McLachlan November 6, 2018 - 12:57 pm

Oilers head into Tampa after dropping one to the Cup champs in Washington. Disappointing on a couple of fronts: we’re now 4-4-1 against the East (good but would like to be in the black here) and we are now 4-5-1 against last year’s Playoff squads. An unexpected win against Tampa tonight and we can flip those two trends towards the positive.

In my Best of Seven summary…
Series Three (current): Oilers all tied up 1-1
Series Two: Oilers win 4-1
Series One: Oilers fall 3-4 in Game 7 Overtime

Doug McLachlan November 6, 2018 - 12:52 pm

Wilde:
93 – 97 – 8

22 – 29 – 39

91 – 18 – 98

16 – 28 – 56

I have no problems with this set up at all.

The “bumps and bruises” explanation can skirt you around the Lucic benched narrative. Only “problem” is if the Strome line and/or PP1 has a great night. I can deal with that sort of a problem.

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 12:50 pm

Jaxon: From OilersNation today:
“1. Tampa has the second best record in the NHL at 10-3-1 and have scored the third most goals with 49. They are very deep and run four lines consistently. Nikita Kucherov leads their forwards with 17:43/game. The Oilers are tied for 10th with Winnipeg and Dallas and two points behind third place Calgary with a game in hand.”

Running 4 lines even with stars seems to work.

NHL Forwards TOI/GP
3rd. McDavid: 22:48
97th. Kucherov 17:43

Would you say Tampa Bay and Edmonton have comparable forward personnel and attacking structures?

Richard S.S. November 6, 2018 - 12:40 pm

Hiring a Manager or a GM from another Team once cost a pick. It happened a lot over the years. But losing a pick for a fired Manager or a fired GM wasn’t excluded. A lot of Teams complained to Gary Bettman about to get it changed so quick.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 12:39 pm

PennersPancakes:
Jaxon,

How does a coach divy up that ice time? Seeing Rattie, JuJar, Chiasson, and Rieder possibly get more 5V5 ice time than Nuge would probably give me an aneurysm.

From OilersNation today:

“1. Tampa has the second best record in the NHL at 10-3-1 and have scored the third most goals with 49. They are very deep and run four lines consistently. Nikita Kucherov leads their forwards with 17:43/game. The Oilers are tied for 10th with Winnipeg and Dallas and two points behind third place Calgary with a game in hand.”

Running 4 lines even with stars seems to work.
NHL Forwards TOI/GP
3rd. McDavid: 22:48
97th. Kucherov 17:43

hunter1909 November 6, 2018 - 12:37 pm

Jaxon: I get what you’re saying. Nuge was playing offensive hockey last season without McDavid. I don’t see it as punishment, I see it as spreading the talent around if it works. Right now, they’re still a winning team with McDavid on and a losing team with McDavid off.

I dont remember RNH playing anything other than his usual underwhelming game last season, but when the team is that bad i stop paying attention.

Like the last game: Talbot in goal, 2 quick ones and game over 10 minutes into the 1st, lol

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 12:35 pm

93 – 97 – 8

22 – 29 – 39

91 – 18 – 98

16 – 28 – 56

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 12:35 pm

B S: I thought that rule only applied if the Oilers hired them.

It did, then as soon as the league robbed the Oilers of their draft picks,
They changed the rules,
FFS!
It was total B.S.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 12:35 pm

hunter1909: With RNH finally playing offensive hockey you all of a sudden want to drop him from the McDavid line??

I get what you’re saying. Nuge was playing offensive hockey last season without McDavid. I don’t see it as punishment, I see it as spreading the talent around if it works. Right now, they’re still a winning team with McDavid on and a losing team with McDavid off.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 12:32 pm

PennersPancakes:
Jaxon,

How does a coach divy up that ice time? Seeing Rattie, JuJar, Chiasson, and Rieder possibly get more 5V5 ice time than Nuge would probably give me an aneurysm.

I hear you… that’s why previous versions had Nuge with Draisaitl, but if he ran those lines, he’d run them pretty evenly, I’d guess. He might be able to reduce McDavid’s ice time a bit because it scares me how much he is playing right now. Is he going to burn out by the trade deadline? Is he going to come down with the flu again? Anyhow, I’d run all 3 lines a fair bit and give the 4th line very little ice time (like 6 minutes). 20:00-18:00-16:00-6:00? Nuge would get PP1 and PK1 time so he would have more gas for that. Same PP1 with Draisaitl.

B S November 6, 2018 - 12:31 pm

OmJo: Didn’t the league scrap the “compensation” rule after we hired Chiarelli?

Think the Oilers lost a pick when they hired Mclellan. I could be wrong, but I honestly can’t remember any other team turning over picks because of that stupid rule. I thought the league stopped it before anyone else had to pay up.

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 12:29 pm

“No, a guy shouldn’t lose his job due to injury so when Ty comes back he’ll be playing with some good players and he’ll dictate whether he stays there or not.”

Sounds to me like Ty will be back to 1RW

Richard S.S. November 6, 2018 - 12:27 pm

Sierra,

Don’t be an ass. Oiler defense and Goalie forgot that all 4th lines occasionally score. Letting them do it twice is absurd.

hunter1909 November 6, 2018 - 12:26 pm

Jaxon: Haha, I love Nuge but if McDavid has success with Rattie and Khaira or maybe Rattie and Chiasson, it opens up so many possibilities for MacLellan. Previously I thought Nugent-Hopkins should play LW with Draisaitl, and Rider but now that Chiasson and Rieder are playing well, I would leave that alone. If Draisaitl and McDavid can do well with those players it really allows them to load up a 3rd line.

Also, each line has some real size on it (Khaira, Chiasson, Lucic, Kassian) for working down low and setting the tone if necessary.

With RNH finally playing offensive hockey you all of a sudden want to drop him from the McDavid line??

OriginalPouzar November 6, 2018 - 12:25 pm

Listening to McLellan – in connection with Gravel, Rattie and Yamamoto coming in to the lineup, he mentioned that there are a couple of guys “banged up” and then the third will be a “decision”.

Hopefully nobody too material is too banged up to play. I wonder how Russell is feeling after blocking shots with his back?

PennersPancakes November 6, 2018 - 12:24 pm

Jaxon,

How does a coach divy up that ice time? Seeing Rattie, JuJar, Chiasson, and Rieder possibly get more 5V5 ice time than Nuge would probably give me an aneurysm.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 12:22 pm

Bruce McCurdy: Lucic and two other guys.

I think that’s a safe bet.

Bruce McCurdy November 6, 2018 - 12:19 pm

Jaxon:
One thing we’re seeing now is something MacLellan has done in the past. He has put slumping players on a line together in hopes that they’ll figure it out together all being in the same boat. That is what we’re seeing in Lucic / Strome / Puljujarvi. They have to figure out how to score and not get scored on. It’s up to them to figure it out. I can’t remember who he did with in the past but I remember him talking about it in an interview.

Lucic and two other guys.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 12:18 pm

OmJo: Why do you hate Nuge?

Haha, I love Nuge but if McDavid has success with Rattie and Khaira or maybe Rattie and Chiasson, it opens up so many possibilities for MacLellan. Previously I thought Nugent-Hopkins should play LW with Draisaitl, and Rider but now that Chiasson and Rieder are playing well, I would leave that alone. If Draisaitl and McDavid can do well with those players it really allows them to load up a 3rd line.

Also, each line has some real size on it (Khaira, Chiasson, Lucic, Kassian) for working down low and setting the tone if necessary.

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 12:15 pm

One thing we’re seeing now is something MacLellan has done in the past. He has put slumping players on a line together in hopes that they’ll figure it out together all being in the same boat. That is what we’re seeing in Lucic / Strome / Puljujarvi. They have to figure out how to score and not get scored on. It’s up to them to figure it out. I can’t remember who he did with in the past but I remember him talking about it in an interview.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 12:11 pm

Jaxon:
Khaira / McDavid / Rattie
Rieder / Draisaitl / Chiasson
Lucic / Nugent-Hopkins / Strome
Caggiula / Brodziak / Kassian

AHL:
Yamamoto
Puljujarvi

Why do you hate Nuge?

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 12:10 pm

B S: I thought that rule only applied if the Oilers hired them.

Didn’t the league scrap the “compensation” rule after we hired Chiarelli?

Jaxon November 6, 2018 - 12:10 pm

Khaira / McDavid / Rattie
Rieder / Draisaitl / Chiasson
Lucic / Nugent-Hopkins / Strome
Caggiula / Brodziak / Kassian

AHL:
Yamamoto
Puljujarvi

Bruce McCurdy November 6, 2018 - 12:02 pm

Sierra: And yet we expect the Oilers’ 4th line to score, don’t we?

In the last two games Oilers fourth line is +2/-4 & third line is +0/-0. Which is preferable? Seems obvious to me but I got a lot of feedback yesterday challenging my assertion that Mister Zero (Strome) has any value at all.

B S November 6, 2018 - 11:54 am

Pescador: Ya but you needed to fire them first & hope that some sucker would come along and hire them,
FFS!

I thought that rule only applied if the Oilers hired them.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 11:53 am

russ99: Totally, and he can pick and choose his job with this track record.

Frankly, I don’t see that being here. If we do well, there won’t be an opening.

If we don’t, any coach with decent chops wouldn’t want anything to do with Katz’s 80’s Oilerpalooza switcheroo.

Apparently he’s been involved in a power struggle with upper management in Chicago for a few years now.

So he’d be right at home here.

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 11:45 am

Jethro Tull: Used to be able to get picks for them…..

Ya but you needed to fire them first & hope that some sucker would come along and hire them,
FFS!

Sierra November 6, 2018 - 11:44 am

Richard S.S.:
Oilers are two points out of first and still in third place.I expect the three scratches yesterday to be playing today (fresher legs).Any Team that gets scored upon by an opponents fourth line should be embarrassed.But twice is shameful and needs to be discussed in-house to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

And yet we expect the Oilers’ 4th line to score, don’t we?

stush18 November 6, 2018 - 11:40 am

russ99,

I agree. Everyone loves to get up in arms, but I usually take the long view of things. I’m probably one of the few rational supporters of Chiarelli and Mclellan left here, but I prefer looking long term.

As for Puljujarvi, I’ve always wondered if he shouldn’t be playing centre. Half the time he’s first one back, he looks much better with the puck on his stick, he’s responsible defensively.

Very similiar to Wheeler in that when injuries hit, Wheeler is capable of sliding over.

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 11:39 am

Wilde,

Side,

Let’s take a walk

Pescador November 6, 2018 - 11:39 am

Jethro Tull: Rhett.

Trouble?

stush18 November 6, 2018 - 11:36 am

Side,

I’d never heard of that before.

I know he was working with a sports psychologist over the past half year to help with his father. Imo it’s worked. Even from afar he seems “happier”, and his play seems more engaged.

Sports are 90% mental.

Jethro Tull November 6, 2018 - 11:36 am

Bruce McCurdy: Link?

Rhett.

Bruce McCurdy November 6, 2018 - 11:29 am

Wilde:
rage-capping video of interference on McDavid from last night

Link?

Wilde November 6, 2018 - 11:26 am

rage-capping video of interference on McDavid from last night

Side November 6, 2018 - 11:12 am

russ99,

People have been suspecting whether Lucic has had eye issues over the last couple of years.

I am starting to suspect his eyes may not even be open when he’s shooting a puck.

Alpine November 6, 2018 - 11:11 am

Don’t see how Rattie “helps them win” more when is his narrow skill set won’t even be on McDavid’s line. Puljujarvi can at least transport the puck. “Helping the team win” is such a vague term and half the time I think it’s used arbiitrarily to butter up someone who isn’t actually doing much.

russ99 November 6, 2018 - 11:07 am

stush18: I kind of like this thinking.

As long as he’s left alone. He does everything right defensively.

He seems timid offensively. He’s really overthinking things, imo. Just let him play.

Line is working hard and playing well, just not finding the net.

If we stick with it, it may eventually click.

The season is long, sometimes lines score and sometimes they don’t. Maybe they’ll lift us when other players are out or ineffective.

Wouldn’t mind seeing all three take extra shooting practice like Chiasson has.

stush18 November 6, 2018 - 11:04 am

godot10: I think Puljujarvi with Strome gives the Oilers the best chance of winning.Just leave him there and let him play.The Mike Keenan Olli Jokinen lite treatment.Jokinen was a failing prospect on his third team.Mike Keenan decided that he was going to make or break Jokinen by playing him till he made it or till Jokinen humiliated himself out of the league.

Nothing really bad is going to happen playing Puljujarvi with Strome, because nothing happens at all.If anything is going to happen, Puljujarvi is going to have to make it happen.The entire responsibility for his own future then rests on his own shoulders.Make something happen.

I kind of like this thinking.

As long as he’s left alone. He does everything right defensively.

He seems timid offensively. He’s really overthinking things, imo. Just let him play.

OmJo November 6, 2018 - 11:04 am

Jethro Tull: I can’t remember