Game 16 2018-19: Oilers at Panthers

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers finish up a four-game road trip tonight in Sunrise, Florida. After winning against Detroit, losses to the Capitals and Lightning have Oilers fans feeling a little uneasy. The Panthers have played in just 11 games, winning only three, but defeated the Winnipeg Jets last time out. It’s a big game for Edmonton, losing three in a row is a bad idea. If Edmonton wins tonight, they keep pace with the Flames and Canucks.

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  • New Lowetide: What happens to the Oilers when Alex Chiasson’s hot streak ends?
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  • Jonathan Willis: Predicting the impact Ethan Bear and Edmonton’s other top AHL prospects will make at the NHL level.

OILERS AFTER 16

  • Oilers in October 20156-10-0, 10 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 9-6-1, 19 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in October 2017: 6-9-1, 13 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in October 2018: 8-6-1, 17 points; goal differential -2

Edmonton can tie the 2016 club with identical 9-6-1 records with a win tonight. The two losses on this road trip are in the rear view and Ty Rattie is back so the team has some more options on right wing. I think we’re reaching a point where Peter Chiarelli will need to make a move to keep the Oilers playoff chances at current levels. Rattie could delay that move with a productive November.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 2-3-0, four points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-2-1, five points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2017: 3-2-0, six points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2018: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential 0

It’s important to get some points out of every week, and tonight’s game is the best chance for the Oilers since the weekend. The next three games against the Avs, Habs and Flames feature stronger teams by record than tonight’s opponent. Edmonton hasn’t played down to the competition yet this season, in my opinion.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER?

  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Washington, Tampa Bay, Florida  (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Colorado, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Dallas, Los Angeles  (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 2-2-0, 4 points in 4 games

I have the four games after this one as another 2-2-0 run, before the Oilers get on a reasonable streak as they get into the heart of the Pacific Division. The road game against Calgary is going to be interesting, watched the Flames last night and they are a riddle wrapped in a enigma.

My article today at The Athletic is about the ongoing battle for the soul of the 2018-19 Oilers. The coach isn’t playing Jesse Puljujarvi or Kailer Yamamoto in a feature role, and Ty Rattie has been hurt. In the meantime, the goal-scoring leaders behind 97, 29 and 93 are Alex Chiasson (6) and Drake Caggiula (5). I think a trade is possible, for a right-wing and a right-side blue.

The Penguins are an interesting team and the list of possible trade acquisitions fascinating. I’ve mentioned to you in the past that Peter Chiarelli has a fascination with acquiring the aged and Pittsburgh has some interesting options:

  • Patric Hornqivst, 14, 4-2-6. He is 31, in the first year of a five-year deal that pays 5.3 million per season. His numbers are slightly below previous levels, perhaps the Penguins are open to a trade. He would help the power play.
  • Carl Hagelin, 14, 1-2-3. He is also 30, a speed burner and makes $4 million this season (UFA in the summer). He gets lots of PK work and could give the bottom-six forward group another veteran hand.
  • Brian Rust, 14, 1-2-3. He is one of the Penguins who has struggled this season (38 points one year ago). He is 26 and has a similar skill set to Hagelin. He is $3.5 million times four, that might be a contract Jim Rutherford is keen to offload.
  • Riley Sheahan, 14, 1-1-2. He is not a strong offensive player but does have abilities as a shutdown center. He is 26, UFA in the summer and makes $2.1 million. If the Pens are knocking on Chiarelli’s door re: Ryan Strome, this player might be in the conversation.

On defense, I have always worried about the Oilers and Jack Johnson, so you might see something along those lines. There are also young struggling wingers like Daniel Sprong, but Edmonton has their own young struggling wingers so it makes little sense from here.

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  • Simon Boisvert, Prospect Insider. One of our most popular guests will pop in and offer opinions on Jesse Puljujarvi, Kailer Yamamoto and the group in Bakersfield so far this season.
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Sierra

godot10: I don’t think that is what he meant.It was poorly written.I think Woodguy meant

“The fact that mediocrity is becoming ok, when one has the best player on the planet, makes me sad.”

Your are correct. I completely misread Woodguy’s post. Not enough coffee intake at that point.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

Two games ago this team was 7th overall against one of the hardest early schedules in the league. I would call that a good team – last night was bad but do we have enough to call them
mediocre? What happens if they beat Avs and Cal? Do they remain mediocre? What constitutes mediocrity?

godot10

Sierra: The fact that mediocrity is becoming ok with the best player on the planet makes me sad.

I don’t think that is what he meant. It was poorly written. I think Woodguy meant

“The fact that mediocrity is becoming ok, when one has the best player on the planet, makes me sad.”

godot10

Woodguy v2.0:
EDM looked tired.

10 games in 17 days with never more than a day between games.

That will run anyone ragged.

In my pre-season rankings I have FLA making the playoffs, they aren’t as bad as their start.Like their Dcorps and top 9.If Lou stays healthy they should be close.

That game was officially the end of the horrific schedule to start.

One game over .500 is ok.

The fact that mediocrity is becoming ok with the best player on the planet makes me sad.

This team could have been so much more.

#MediocrityIsADifferentKindOfHell

Sierra

Woodguy v2.0:
EDM looked tired.

10 games in 17 days with never more than a day between games.

That will run anyone ragged.

In my pre-season rankings I have FLA making the playoffs, they aren’t as bad as their start.Like their Dcorps and top 9.If Lou stays healthy they should be close.

That game was officially the end of the horrific schedule to start.

One game over .500 is ok.

The fact that mediocrity is becoming ok with the best player on the planet makes me sad.

This team could have been so much more.

I don’t understand your post. You start with the team looked tired, too many games with too few days off and 1 game over .500 is ok. And then you go to McDavid being ok with mediocrity.

Is there any evidence of McDavid being ok with mediocrity?

pts2pndr

Woodguy v2.0:
EDM looked tired.

10 games in 17 days with never more than a day between games.

That will run anyone ragged.

In my pre-season rankings I have FLA making the playoffs, they aren’t as bad as their start.Like their Dcorps and top 9.If Lou stays healthy they should be close.

That game was officially the end of the horrific schedule to start.

One game over .500 is ok.

The fact that mediocrity is becoming ok with the best player on the planet makes me sad.

This team could have been so much more.

Is it just me or does sitting Khaira negatively effect the PK? McLellans deployment of his forwards is also suspect in my opinion. There appears to be little continuity on who sits and who gets moved up. The McBlender is alive and well. This strategy works in the short term but is a recipe for failure. For the players it has to seem like playing the first week of the seaon and repeat with the constant line changes. It destroys the ability to gel as a line. Rather than read and react the puck carrier has to always be recalling who his linemates are and their tendencies and react accordingly. Only miliseconds different but that can make a difference!

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

who,

The roller-coaster of emotions will continue until moral improves.

This last bit of schedule is horrid in its expectations.

The back to back from Washington to Tampa at the end of it all was truly cruel.

No biggie though, a couple nights in bed at home and a practice or two to settle the nerves and things will be fine. They just need to keep pace for another week, Pacific division teams are coming up and that’ll make all the difference if they can right the ship. Travel calms down and so does the pace of play.

The sky isn’t falling folks, just chill 🙂

Chelios is a Dinosaur

That was a bad game in the end, inability to cash on Luongo in the 1st set the stage for a pooped squad not finding the space to dig deep when they had to.

A top 10 team has the skills to outscore and win that game despite being outworked and outplayed – most of the time. Or, your goalie will steal it for you if your goalie is top shelf – but still not always.

Oilers still only good enough to win games they shouldn’t on rare occasions, when things break well.

There is a suffocating parity in the NHL right now, and the difference between first and last is narrow to the point that if you aren’t bringing it every time, smart, healthy and prepared, while the other team is, you are more likely to lose than not irrespective of your opponent.

They got bit. But the Oilers can recover from this.

who

Woodguy v2.0:
EDM looked tired.

10 games in 17 days with never more than a day between games.

That will run anyone ragged.

In my pre-season rankings I have FLA making the playoffs, they aren’t as bad as their start.Like their Dcorps and top 9.If Lou stays healthy they should be close.

That game was officially the end of the horrific schedule to start.

One game over .500 is ok.

The fact that mediocrity is becoming ok with the best player on the planet makes me sad.

This team could have been so much more.

Yeah. Let’s not jump down their throats after one bad game at the end of that schedule.
In my mind this is a playoff bubble team. Let’s not pretend they are cup contenders.

who

Caribbeerman:
If I’m Oiler’s GM today my priorities are:

* Team remains short of 1 top 4 proven defenceman – must acquire.
* Send young prospects Yamamoto and Puljujarvi to AHL and keep them there until their game matures – fully.
* Call up Marody and Malone to replace them.

Finally – this team becomes too complacent after a couple of wins . They have to play with more intensity like they did on their impressive winning streak – basic hockey, defend hard, shoot pucks to the net and look for rebounds – sounds easy I know but…

I agree with this.
But I don’t think they have the assets or cap space to add that top 4 dman. And I don’t want to see them mortgage the future to get one. We have lots of good young dmen coming, (was really impressed with Samarukov in junior series last night) but it’s going to take a couple of years.
Maybe Sekera will fill that void when he gets back?

Woodguy v2.0

EDM looked tired.

10 games in 17 days with never more than a day between games.

That will run anyone ragged.

In my pre-season rankings I have FLA making the playoffs, they aren’t as bad as their start. Like their Dcorps and top 9. If Lou stays healthy they should be close.

That game was officially the end of the horrific schedule to start.

One game over .500 is ok.

The fact that mediocrity is becoming ok with the best player on the planet makes me sad.

This team could have been so much more.

Caribbeerman

If I’m Oiler’s GM today my priorities are:

* Team remains short of 1 top 4 proven defenceman – must acquire.
* Send young prospects Yamamoto and Puljujarvi to AHL and keep them there until their game matures – fully.
* Call up Marody and Malone to replace them.

Finally – this team becomes too complacent after a couple of wins . They have to play with more intensity like they did on their impressive winning streak – basic hockey, defend hard, shoot pucks to the net and look for rebounds – sounds easy I know but…

Genjutsu

godot10: They put up an eight-bagger without Boeser, and Pettersson had one point. WTF!

Sam Gagner had 8 points in one game once.

Against the Hawks mid dynasty.

Sky isn’t going anywhere man.

Wilde

–hudson–: Sounds like Todd is a little upset with either Strome or Kassian.

It was Strome. I wish he wouldn’t say this shit every time the team’s on the losing streak. Either you’re individuals, or you’re a team.

Here’s the play.

https://youtu.be/2Rk8_dmiLlE?t=369

This play could have been dead on arrival to the blueline. Strome’s contesting this entry very hard, Larsson doesn’t manage the gap well enough to get his stick on it.

At 6:15 the puck is entirely loose from Strome’s check on Yandle, and Kassian is a RHS against an approaching LHS who’s passing forehand to a guy on Kassian’s left, which is the hand Kass has on his stick if he’s one-handing to try to break up the play, which he is and he does but he goes from right-to-left with it which, at best is going to knock the puck loose to the Panther anyways.

Then Kassian gets nowhere near either of the passes that are directly in front of him, the carrier walks down the wall and makes a nice head-fake that Strome bites on – at 6:21, the moment he falls for it, this puck is in the net unless the shooter fucks up.

Just watch everything from 6:12 to 6:21 at 0.5 speed.

Strome made the most critical of the mistakes, but that was a sloppy entry where he made it pretty easy on his teammates to break it up. So it’s not about whose fault it is, but each individual and their portions of a collective liability.

Which is every hockey play ever. You know when you blame Strome for that? Video room in a couple weeks. Paired with some clips of him successfully interrupting cross-ice activity, to show him he can do this and do it well. Not tonight. What does that accomplish?

JimmyV1965

Sierra: Then who? Of the players on the roster who?

Tonight.

Reider
RNH
Brodziak
Strome
Chiasson
Drai
McDavid

Sierra

JimmyV1965: Here’s a thought. Don’t put Kassien on the frickin PK.

Then who? Of the players on the roster who?

JimmyV1965

–hudson–:
Sounds like Todd is a little upset with either Strome or Kassian.

Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asQgsiUJbYs
————————————————–
Q: On Connor and Leon scoring 23 seconds into the third, looked like you were on you’re way, then what happened?
A: We had hoped that the the change would spark a little bit. I thought that Barkov played really well, his heaviness was tough for Nuge and Connor to haul around alone, so Leon was better equipped for that. So we tried that in the third period, and came out, and got the shift we wanted, got the goal we wanted.But then you know took penalties and the penalty kill has to do a better job.And in that situation, the seam pass is clearly a job for an individual that knows he’s got to do it, and he didn’t get it done.

Here’s a thought. Don’t put Kassien on the frickin PK.

--hudson--

Sounds like Todd is a little upset with either Strome or Kassian.

Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asQgsiUJbYs
————————————————–
Q: On Connor and Leon scoring 23 seconds into the third, looked like you were on you’re way, then what happened?
A: We had hoped that the the change would spark a little bit. I thought that Barkov played really well, his heaviness was tough for Nuge and Connor to haul around alone, so Leon was better equipped for that. So we tried that in the third period, and came out, and got the shift we wanted, got the goal we wanted. But then you know took penalties and the penalty kill has to do a better job. And in that situation, the seam pass is clearly a job for an individual that knows he’s got to do it, and he didn’t get it done.

Admiral Ackbar

OmJo:
Quenneville is still a FA

How many rings does he have?

Yeah, PC wouldn’t touch that with a 10 foot pole – he likes his scapegoat.

teddyturnbuckle

Anyone notice how Talbot looks like he has a few blind spots in his mask. How many times this season has he lost the puck on a rebound and is looking the other way.

JimmyV1965

I do believe Tmac is a thoroughly mediocre coach and I think this team will be better without him. I throw up a bit everytime I see Kassian or the Drake on the PK. But do we really have the horses to be even a playoff team? I keep watching opposition goalies make spectacular game changing saves and at best we can expect is a meh performance from our goalies. I heard somewhere that RNH has one even strength goal this year playing with the best player on the planet. And he’s our third best player. I have no idea what the solution is and unfortunately I’m beginning to grow less interested.

OmJo

treevojo: I only watched half the game but I didn’t notice Florida running around too much.

Other then on the scoreboard of course.

I think when it comes to the Panthers we’re the ones who’ve run around with them lol. IIRC Sutton and Hendricks have both injured a couple of their players.

OmJo

treevojo: Yes.

I know you are good for a bet!

Yeah but I too think they’ll beat the Habs XP

Paulie

drglen:
That game was hard to take. Because it reminded me so much of 2013 2014 oilers.I listen on radio. It seemed like jack was calling florida names all night long

Fair enough but Oil did play well in 1st. 2nd was awful though

drglen

That game was hard to take. Because it reminded me so much of 2013 2014 oilers. I listen on radio. It seemed like jack was calling florida names all night long

treevojo

godot10: That would only be hypocritical of me if I had gone around challenging people to bets left and right, and then refused a challenge.

That’s fair.

I have always been of the opinion if I am going to beat my opinion down peoples throat I will back it up with something tangible when challenged.

Each to their own.

Plus I like to gamble!

who

leadfarmer:
OriginalPouzar,

I don’t see how Talbot can be faulted for any of the goals tonight
First was a great play and a very high danger scoring chance
Second one off a leg in front and drops straight to Bjugstad
Third Barkov blinded him with a great screen

I didn’t like the 3rd goal at all.
An NHL goalie shouldn’t lose sight of the puck for that long, EVER. Huberdeau could have skated that puck into the net. That’s how out of position Talbot was.
I’m starting to lose faith in Talbot ever taking this team very far. I don’t know if Koskinen is the answer either, but I would be very wary of extending Talbot for big money.

Scungilli Slushy

texmex:
treevojo,

Ha. I do believe Montreal will beat the oilers handily, but if I take your bet then I will be actively cheering for the oilers to lose, and there is something just wrong with that.

Price will look like his old self because Oilers.

The only player on the team that consistently is a danger to score in tight is Connor.

I commented about ‘shinny’ before. Because outside of Connor nobody is showing any instinct. Low percentage shots, no slot strategies that happen with regularity at either end of the ice, poor shot choices, forced plays that fail everywhere.

They have no mojo, no top shelf, no joy in their game we see from the guys elsewhere that score a lot.

Outside of Connor that is.

LA is failing horribly. I know McC can coach differently, why doesn’t he? Maybe he only did it when we saw it because with the NA’s it wash short and he had no options. The Socal thing of before is done, things have changed. Get with it Todd.

godot10

treevojo: Fair.

I never bet against the oilers and have learned over the last 15 years to pick my spots betting for them.

Godot on the other hand spent 4 months beating an offer sheet down this blogs throat and when a bet was thrown down he chose to ignore it.

That would only be hypocritical of me if I had gone around challenging people to bets left and right, and then refused a challenge.

treevojo

Glovjuice: And hammering guys to send a message while racking up league supplemental discipline – sure helped tonight. LOL.

I only watched half the game but I didn’t notice Florida running around too much.

Other then on the scoreboard of course.

treevojo

godot10: I said the Oilers (historically) have Price’s number.Why would I bet on Montreal?

Different bet Godot.

Glovjuice

Paulie: Who cares as long as he’s third in the league in hits!

And hammering guys to send a message while racking up league supplemental discipline – sure helped tonight. LOL.

treevojo

texmex:
treevojo,

Ha. I do believe Montreal will beat the oilers handily, but if I take your bet then I will be actively cheering for the oilers to lose, and there is something just wrong with that.

Fair.

I never bet against the oilers and have learned over the last 15 years to pick my spots betting for them.

Godot on the other hand spent 4 months beating an offer sheet down this blogs throat and when a bet was thrown down he chose to ignore it.

godot10

treevojo:
godot10,

texmex,

You guys must be cousins.

Make bold statements.

Challenged to a bet.

Crickets!

I said the Oilers (historically) have Price’s number. Why would I bet on Montreal?

texmex

treevojo,

Ha. I do believe Montreal will beat the oilers handily, but if I take your bet then I will be actively cheering for the oilers to lose, and there is something just wrong with that.

treevojo

OmJo:
treevojo,

You’re betting $25 the Oilers beat the Habs?

Yes.

I know you are good for a bet!

OmJo

treevojo,

You’re betting $25 the Oilers beat the Habs?

treevojo

godot10,

texmex,

You guys must be cousins.

Make bold statements.

Challenged to a bet.

Crickets!

OmJo

hags9k:
What a piss poor game.Fire the mall. Waterslides, pirate ship, sea lions, all of them can clean out their fuckin desks.

Are the sea lions still there?

OmJo

Quenneville is still a FA ?

Paulie

flyfish1168: Malone was never a prospect. JP should get close to 20 minutes or more per night. Woodcroft I’m sure is well aware

Woodcroft is the most important coach in the system. Oil have 3 top 6 forwards and 2-3 top 4 D (Nurse a #4 in my book). Given the cap pressures and declining vet talent, Woodcroft has to develop at least 2 top six forwards and another top 4 D.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

The amount of travel on this road trip was ridiculous.

A back to back from Washington to Tampa? That’s nuts

They’ll be fine with a couple of days rest

hags9k

What a piss poor game. Fire the mall. Waterslides, pirate ship, sea lions, all of them can clean out their fuckin desks.

flyfish1168

OriginalPouzar: Malone is also on PP1 and can be subbed off for Puljujarvi.

Malone was never a prospect. JP should get close to 20 minutes or more per night. Woodcroft I’m sure is well aware

Paulie

texmex:
Does looch score again this year?? I’ll say yes, once

Who cares as long as he’s third in the league in hits!

OriginalPouzar

godot10: I doubt Woodcroft breaks up Benson, Marody, and Hebig, or the first PP unit.So you are talking Puljujarvi going down to play 3rd line with Currie, and #2PP.

Malone is also on PP1 and can be subbed off for Puljujarvi.

Scungilli Slushy

If coach Q would come to Oil Country in my world it’s a done deal.

There is too much ability on this roster to play this poorly, so often. Somebody has to pay, MacT is in charge on ice.

Do not promote any of the assistants given that Q is out there.

It to me is absolutely about the system.

Every goalie that comes can’t make saves (hat tip to Silverman), every player except elite can’t seem to play effectively, and the good are trying to rush the puck solo consistently.

This has been over many coaches, so as a manager what do you think?

What is the reason why that the Oilers seem to play without an offensive strategy, that I see that other teams obviously using against us, and bottom feeders look like contenders all too often?

Is it the back halls? I don’t know but really, why waste the this potential?

If they mess this up now I will not change my team, I’ll do what I’ve done before and will stop participating with interest about the team and league again, only watching interesting playoffs.

After the Messier trade I was AWOL for at least a decade. Maybe I take it to heart, but that is my fandom.

I can deal with losing, I don’t like poor performance overall and politics that trump success.

Same for the Eskimos.

Enough crap.

treevojo

texmex:
Réal Goudenyéu,

Montreal will blow the oilers out. So 5 losses is a real possibility. Their speed is impressive.

There is one game in between that game but this sounds like a bet.

I’m willing to throw $25 towards a donation to Lowetide on the oilers over Montreal.

Mcdavid’s speed is impressive.

texmex

godot10,

Haven’t lost in Florida since 2002……. wait

godot10

texmex:
Réal Goudenyéu,

Montreal will blow the oilers out. So 5 losses is a real possibility. Their speed is impressive.

The OIlers have Price’s number. #CountingChickens