Who Will Take My Dreams Away

by Lowetide

My Dad was an older man when he started working for places like Husky and CN in Maidstone, and the crews he joined in those jobs were populated by men 30 years younger. The first day he worked there (both jobs) had an impact on me. He came home and told my Mom it probably wasn’t going to work out, wildly out of character with his disposition.

The labour wasn’t an issue (my Dad passed at 80, he worked every day until 75 and even then would find odd jobs to occupy his time) but he had a helluva time relating to the young fellows on the Maidstone crew—and they with him.

For me, it was the beginning of understanding my Dad was aging, I became aware of his mortality. It was 1975. At both jobs he went through a pretty tough time, suspect he would have quit if he could have (I was still at home and my brother was just out on his own).

One day at the job (don’t remember which one) the crew added a new man, Andy Russett. I remember his name because for several weeks after he arrived, my Dad could talk about little else when it came to work. Andy Russett got along famously with my Dad, and he with him. A friendship formed from opposite ends of a working life, and it was good.  Within a few days, Andy Russett found a way to convince everyone my Dad was cool. Supper was better at our house through the winter, into spring and summer, and then another. No idea how he did it, but I’ve always remembered that act of kindness. My Dad needed a break and he got it. Sometimes, that’s all that it takes.

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THUNDER ROAD

My favourite rock and roll song is called Thunder Road. It’s about leaving everything you know in search for a better place in life, without knowing where or when you will arrive at the place you belong. Jesse Puljujarvi made that bet before he grew to be a man. Jesse Puljujarvi will find his way in life. It might not be here. Sit tight. Take hold. Thunder Road.

CONDORS NHLE

I waited for 10 games to do NHL equivalencies, will do updates throughout the rest of the season. Here are the Condors top scoring prospects with their respective NHLE’s (using Vollman’s 48.6 and not adjusting for age):

  1. Cooper Marody 6, 3-6-9 (59.8)
  2. Cameron Hebig 10, 6-6-12 (47.8)
  3. Tyler Benson 10, 2-8-10 (39.9)
  4. Patrick Russell, 10, 4-5-9 (35.9)
  5. Joe Gambardella 10, 4-4-8 (31.9)
  6. Caleb Jones 10, 1-7-8 (31.9)
  7. Josh Currie 10, 3-4-7 (27.9)
  8. William Lagesson 9, 1-5-6 (26.6)

Here are last year’s top players (including all leagues) with their NHLE adjustments and totals:

The Oilers have several fine prospects on the boil in Bakersfield. It doesn’t mean any of them will cash but there’s a better chance with (I count) four legit forwards and two bona fide defensemen on the 2018-19 club. I find myself drifting back to Claude Julien’s Bulldogs these days when looking for comparable teams. Here are his 2000-01 Bulldogs (prospects only) using the Gabriel Desjardins’ NHLE’s of the day:

  1. Shawn Horcoff 24, 10-18-28 (44.00)
  2. Peter Sarno 79, 19-46-65 (31.03)
  3. Michel Riesen 69, 26-28-54 (29.50)
  4. Jason Chimera 78, 29-25-54 (26.11)
  5. Fernando Pisani 52, 12-13-25 (18.10)
  6. Chad Hinz 78, 13-22-35 (16.93)
  7. Michael Henrich 73, 5-10-15 (8.26)

The turn of the century team delivered three substantial careers, but several one-dimensional offensive types (Sarno, Riesen) fell away during their development seasons in the AHL. Horcoff was a college man, Chimera improved markedly as a junior and Pisani was more mature than pretty much everybody on the team despite being a relative newcomer to pro hockey.

What does that tell us about college players like Cooper Marody? He might not spend a lot of time in the AHL. Can we project Benson and Hebig based on the development of the CHL kids almost 20 years ago? No. What we can do is remind ourselves that the early offense out of the box is a good arrow, things are not necessarily as they appear, some of these players won’t make it, and we don’t know what we don’t know.

Oilers forwards 5-on-5/60 scoring

(YEAR OVER YEAR, 16 games)

These are totals after 16 games in each season, and the differences individually. Jujhar Khaira had the biggest spike, going from rags to riches. Connor McDavid improved slightly, Drake Caggiula is up as well. Lots of underachievers in this group, that third line needs some spark. Nugent-Hopkins was performing at a higher level 5-on-5 a year ago, could have blown me over with a feather when I read it.

The Nuge-McDavid-Rattie line looks good to me, it will be interesting to see how long Todd McLellan runs the Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson line. Drake Caggiula appears to be stealing lunch from Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto, meaning third line at worst for him. Jujhar Khaira has been in and out of the lineup, I remain onside with what he brings. Ryan Strome’s line has been a little more encouraging lately.

This is going to be an interesting week. Stay tuned.

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OriginalPouzar

“Its about going down there with the right attitude and getting your confidence back and good things should come from it”.

OriginalPouzar

There could always be a sort of handshake deal but there is no reason that Jesse should have been given any unofficial assurances – he received almost the ELC max contract. Why would he have deserved any assurances when signing his ELC? Its not like he had options like a free agent.

jake70

I see it mentioned from time to time but not frequently. The idea of bringing a player up or, in JP and KY’s cases, keeping them up for NHL pay.

JP:

$832 000 NHL base salary (won’t include bonus because he won’t make any)
This NHL season is 185 days long,
–This gives JP about $4500.00 per day.
–38 days since Day1 of season = ~ $170000.00 already earned.

–AHL season salary is $70000.00
–38 days pay is about $13800.00

Difference of about $156000.00 so far.

Wonder if there is not some handshake guarantee to give him X amount of games resulting in minimum amount of money.

(Dollar amounts from Cap Friendly, also I am not 100% certain I have the pay mechanism correct, ie.. calculated on a daily basis, but I think I am at least in ball park)

pts2pndr

–hudson–: Most people don’t look at positions this way anymore.You have F1, F2 and F3 and one of these guys take the faceoff.That said, I agree with you that Puljujarvi can fit anywhere at forward, not sure about faceoffs.

You can learn to take faceoffs! He is a right shot. He is creative. Given the teams lack of offensively gifted right shot centers and given the fact that he was a very good back checker from the time he arrived from Finland it would seem a good bet! If it fails you still have an offensively gifted winger with more defensive acumen and the ability to take a draw when his center gets waved out. Seems like a win win scenario!

pts2pndr

hunter1909:
Speaking of unwarranted hype, wheredo the AHL Oilers deserve all of this praise for? They’re historically useless and currently sit in 4th place in their division. They never make the playoffs, they never graduate anyone of much quality, etc. I call bullshit.

Meanwhile Philadelphia’s AHL team routinely makes the AHL finals, and graduates a pipeline of decent to good NHLers for the parent team.

Oilers = hype central. It’s like a house of mirrors. No one knows where to point the finger unless it’s Lowe+MacT’s Axis of evil, yet no one dares talk about it at any kind of Oilers internal high level.

The history of the Oilers graduating players from the AHL are not good but Chiarelli has put together a very good group of young prospects! The Ahl coach is playing these prospects! The pipeline is there and shortly we will start to see the results! Turning an AHL franchise around also takes time but IMO the organization has done a good job and results will br forthcomming shortly!

OriginalPouzar

JimmyV1965: There will actually be quite a logjam next year with the addition of Bergland, Samoroukov, Bouchard, Maksimov, McLeod, Saffin and whoever else I’m forgetting. It might actually be an issue.

It shouldn’t be a problem if they are OK going super young next year. Those guys replace the likes of Callahan, Russell, Vessel, Joe G. (maybe), Malone, Larkin

OriginalPouzar

Bling: None of those guys scored as well as someone like Benson at age 20.

With the addition of JP and KY…I think this becomes the best farm team the Oilers have ever had.

Legit NHL Prospects:

Yamamoto
Puljujarvi
Marody
Benson
Jones
Lagesson
Bear

Distant Bells but an outside chance

Hebig
Joe G.

I would think, out of this list, there is a very good chance for 3-4 to become every day NHL players – shit, I can make an argument that all in the top list have a legit shot at jobs next season.

JimmyV1965

Bling: None of those guys scored as well as someone like Benson at age 20.

With the addition of JP and KY…I think this becomes the best farm team the Oilers have ever had.

There will actually be quite a logjam next year with the addition of Bergland, Samoroukov, Bouchard, Maksimov, McLeod, Saffin and whoever else I’m forgetting. It might actually be an issue.

Indy

codeine!….wait for it Shep after the Guy Clark subtle intro…..not likely new to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Rq-4spRz4

Indy

stephen sheps: on the subject of both codeine and songwriters I love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m961waDa_8

Bling

workaroundaccount: At best. Martindale, Hamilton, Hartikainen, Pitlick.

None of those guys scored as well as someone like Benson at age 20.

With the addition of JP and KY…I think this becomes the best farm team the Oilers have ever had.

Wilde

Sierra:
Wilde,

What Columbus thing are you referring to?

Bobrovsky and Panarin both won’t sign with Columbus, reportedly.

Gerta Rauss

Friedman suggesting on After Hours that the Kings might be a team looking to make some roster changes

He mentioned Pearson-pretty much anybody except Kopitar and Doughty

I think Forbort would be a nice fit-it’s not a sexy move but I think he could help that 3rd pair

Maybe something around Kassian or Strome

Sierra

Wilde,

What Columbus thing are you referring to?

workaroundaccount

godot10: Typically, that means one.

At best. Martindale, Hamilton, Hartikainen, Pitlick.

Wilde

Melvis:
Wilde,

You’re a gem Wilde. So what’s your sign? Todd is a Libra, which might account for all that swinging back and forth.

For entertainment purposes only;-)

I will never give up my carefully crafted mystique

Wilde

This Columbus thing is nuts. They’re arguably a top-5 team in the league, and they’re gonna lose their two best players. Infuriating for their fans and their management.

Wilde

workaroundaccount: because unlike JP, he isn’t worth a damn if he isn’t scoring.

How do you figure that? Yamamoto is actually quite good without the puck and will always have a forechecking job somewhere in the lineup as long as his coach believes in him.

That would be a waste of one of the highest scoring players in that draft class, but Yamamoto brings more than scoring, this is clear to me in the video and the data.

godot10

Bling:
Tough not to get excited about this AHL squad.

Might see 3-4 NHLers from that group.

Typically, that means one.

workaroundaccount

OriginalPouzar: This is his first time in the AHL so I assume you mean after he was returned to Spokane last year?

Anything to back-up the position that he “pouted”? Struggling or slumping does not equate to pouting in most cases.

He talked about how disappointed he was being sent down and how he didn’t really get over it until after the WJC. I’ll never be able to find the interview, so you’ll have to take me at my word. He better figure out the consistency thing though, because unlike JP, he isn’t worth a damn if he isn’t scoring.

Ribs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6VOSdOI5qE

Kind of surprised at how many goals he gets close to the net. Maybe some powerplay time there would be a good idea…

OriginalPouzar

He’s also been given little offensive opportunities this year – Until Gravel’s recall he was essentially playing 3rd pairing minutes behind Lowe/Bear and Gravel/Jones and he has only received the bump to play with Jones recently.

We’ll see – I don’t expect him to keep this pace up but he’s a good skater and he can pass the puck – sometimes its takes a change of scenery or playing with better players in order for offence to spike.

jp

OriginalPouzar:
Benson keeps his PPG pace alive and puts the Condors back ahead with an even strength tally.

Assist to Willie L. who now has 7 points in 10 games.

What a start for Willie.I thought all this talk about “not expecting any offence” was a bit overblown – watching him skate and move the puck on campa, he has skill and can skate.

Let’s not forget, the European leagues are lower scoring.Klef didn’t score much over there either.

I was thinking the same about Lagesson, it is a really nice start. And the SHL does suppress Dman scoring.

But man, he really does not have any history of scoring.

Draft year: Just under 0.5 PPG in Jr (SuperElit).
Draft +1: 16 Pts in the USHL
Draft +2 and +3: 7 and 8 points in college.
Draft +4: 13 Pts in the SHL, but still 4th on his team in D scoring
Didn’t put up more than 3 points in any of his 3 international tournaments.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/86158/william-lagesson

And he’s only got 11 shots in his 10 AHL games, despite the 7 points. I think this might be a case like Khaira, though I’d be glad to be wrong.

Glovjuice

OriginalPouzar: Don’t get me wrong – I want Brad Malone nowhere near the NHL ice.While he is a very solid AHL veteran he is not an NHL player and not a prospect.Definition of career AHLer. I call him up to sit in the press box and, if an injury happens, then a corresponding roster move should be made so that he doesn’t see the ice.

I don’t under-rate Tyler Benson at all – I’ve been one of his bigger fans.At the same time he is a rookie pro with 10 pro games (well, plus a few at the end of last year) – to bring up a guy like Benson sours sending down the 20 year olds.Benson himself is 20 and needs the privilege of developing in the AHL. In watching him play this year, he is indeed very skilled and very smart, however, he is a rookie pro and learning the pro game – he makes mistakes with the puck nightly that we rag on our NHL players for.

Ethan Bear is similar.Yes, he played 18 games last year and, at the end of the year, we all knew he required much more AHL time – well, he’s been given 5 games so far.He isn’t even on PP1 or PP2 right now in Bakersfield which likely means his shoulder is not 100%. He hasn’t had a chance to work on any of his deficiencies from last year.Yup, he looked “further developed in camp” but we all know how little exhibition season means as far as NHL readiness for the kids – Puljujarvi and Yamamoto being prime examples.

If any d-man is to be brought up, Caleb Jones is leading the defence and looking wonderful – followed closely be WIllie Laggeson.

Both of those young d-men should also stay exactly where they are and continue to develop.

All the kids should be left where they are.

Generally, I agree with your premise. However, if a player is good enough to help improve the Oilers while doing no harm to his development we have a win win. Not saying this likely in most cases but we can’t categorically dismiss the approach if is warranted. Marody is not too young for the NHL. Neither is Jones. Of course, we need to balance Oil needs now vs. long term but your opinion pendulum is stuck on Velcroed to one side.

GordieHoweHatTrick

OriginalPouzar: Yup – I still see no reason why he wasn’t re-claimed and then assigned to Bakersfield until a recall was needed, i.e. today.

Now they will either be recalling a non-NHL veteran (Malone, Russell) or a young prospect who is likely best served to continue AHL development (Marody, Joe G.)

Unfortunately, probably because the coach doesn’t like him

Gerta Rauss

OriginalPouzar: I understand that but I stated it was a mistake at the time and its proven to be one now as he’d be the perfect call-up allowing all the kids to stay where they need to be and not risking a career AHL veteran in to the lineup.

Your response is arrived at via logic, reason, and critical thinking

That’s where you’ve gone off the rails OP…:)

This is the Edmonton Oilers-these things happen..lol…

OriginalPouzar

Gerta Rauss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi_5lXIT5AY

He wasn’t coming back

I understand that but I stated it was a mistake at the time and its proven to be one now as he’d be the perfect call-up allowing all the kids to stay where they need to be and not risking a career AHL veteran in to the lineup.

OriginalPouzar

Gerta Rauss:
Who is playing RD on the Jones/Lagesson pairing..?

Jones – pretty much all year.

OriginalPouzar

Bling:
Tough not to get excited about this AHL squad.

Might see 3-4 NHLers from that group.

Those with a real shot:

Puljujarvi
Yamamoto
Marody
Benson
Lagesson
Jones
Bear

Distant Bells but not totally unforeseeable:

Gambardella
Hebig

MrBung

commonfan29,

You nailed it, TMac will be gone soon after the Oil drop a couple more. Chia will need to do something to save his hide. Should have been gone after the Reinhart and/or Lucic deal.

leadfarmer

hunter1909:
Speaking of unwarranted hype, wheredo the AHL Oilers deserve all of this praise for? They’re historically useless and currently sit in 4th place in their division. They never make the playoffs, they never graduate anyone of much quality, etc. I call bullshit.

Meanwhile Philadelphia’s AHL team routinely makes the AHL finals, and graduates a pipeline of decent to good NHLers for the parent team.

Oilers = hype central. It’s like a house of mirrors. No one knows where to point the finger unless it’s Lowe+MacT’s Axis of evil, yet no one dares talk about it at any kind of Oilers internal high level.

What on earth are you blabbing about.
The Ahl is to develop players.
Not to win
To develop
Otherwise you’d just fill it with Anton Landers which is what Phillys Ahl affiliate does
The Lehigh Valley Phantoms don’t graduate much talent. Travis Sanheim probably their best graduate. They have routinely been filling their Ahl roster with Ahl vets something you should not do

OriginalPouzar

Condors hang on and seep a very good Iowa team in Iowa – great stuff.

Hopefully the Oilers only call up one and its not one of the kids.

Unless they return the kid back to the AHL – Condors don’t play until next Friday but then play Friday and Sat.

Jethro Tull

OmJo: Not without including an NMC.

Damn, I forgot the NMC, I would have lost him. Pete IS a good negotiator.

Gerta Rauss

OriginalPouzar: I still see no reason why he wasn’t re-claimed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi_5lXIT5AY

He wasn’t coming back

Gerta Rauss

Who is playing RD on the Jones/Lagesson pairing..?

OriginalPouzar

I think its worth noting that the kid line production recently has been more often at even strength which is really nice to see as they had done most of their damage on the PP early.

Bling

Tough not to get excited about this AHL squad.

Might see 3-4 NHLers from that group.

OriginalPouzar

Ooop – they give that one right back. Game back on.

OriginalPouzar

And Marody pots the insurance goal from Benson.

OmJo

Jethro Tull: So 3 x $3.5 should get it done?

Not without including an NMC.

Tesla's Hair

Thunder What!

No wonder i hated that only tape we had the first 20 times it played in the truck with autorewind cassette deck. I begged the driver turn iff this crap. This guy cant sing.

After 20th time. I grabbed lyrics to read them. On 29th time i was hooked for a lifetime and Bruce was the soundtrack of my life…

Fastfwd 25 years later….

Last night was on a long road trip to Sudbury with my da. Before the trip I prepared a list of lists of questions to ask your folks.

You know for those awkward moments when the screenvoicebox slams for both of us and what we want to say cannot be said.

Maybe we are scared and thinkin we cant ask it until we are older anyhow. Out of all the strange and wonderful things that created magic on that night…he liked this question I asked:

What did you have in your childhood dad, that kids dont have today?

His answer was the same thing that bruce was singing about on that cassette and etched and sketched in his lyrics.

Fastfwd to a few seconds ago… LT that family friend character in your story in a way i felt was a flipped version of the same answer my dad made to my question too. Fascinating.

Dont run back inside dad
Run outside son

Fear hold us back
And love sets us free

So Dad you were free and now we are scared of their safety
Show a little faith, there’s magic in your kids & grandkids night
You are a beauty but, hey, you’re more than alright
Oh, and that’s alright with me

Live freely
Live freely
Be free

Ryan

godot10: McLellan’s good opinion once lost, is lost forever.The doghouse has a one way door.

Can anyone name one player during McLellan’s tenure who has returned from the woodshed?

I am on record suggesting that I wasn’t philosophically a fan of trading a fourth for an unfinished product who was nearing waiver eligibility.

That being said, I was perplexed when the Oilers did not re-claim him.

OriginalPouzar

workaroundaccount:
The real question is how long is Yama gonna pout for this time. Be nice to see him and JP put up some good numbers prompting a call later in the year.

This is his first time in the AHL so I assume you mean after he was returned to Spokane last year?

Anything to back-up the position that he “pouted”? Struggling or slumping does not equate to pouting in most cases.

who

godot10: McLellan’s good opinion once lost, is lost forever.The doghouse has a one way door.

Can anyone name one player during McLellan’s tenure who has returned from the woodshed?

Yeah that’s a good point.
Once he sours on you, you’re done.

OriginalPouzar

McLeod finishes with a sole assist in a 5-4 win – only 14 draws tonight (6 for 14), 5 shots but -1.

Samorukov held off the scoresheet in a 2-1 shootout loss but did have six shots.

Maksimov didn’t play for Niagara again.

workaroundaccount

JimmyV1965: This current edition of the AHL team is unlike any other I have ever seen. I believe they have three kids in the top 10 rookie scorers. Jones has 8 pts in 10 games. This is a much different AHL team. It’s not hype.

It seems like we are finally getting the quality of farm team every other team has had for 10 years.

OriginalPouzar

Malone with a shortie and the Condors are up 3-1.

Take that “top rated PP”

workaroundaccount

The real question is how long is Yama gonna pout for this time. Be nice to see him and JP put up some good numbers prompting a call later in the year.

OriginalPouzar

Benson keeps his PPG pace alive and puts the Condors back ahead with an even strength tally.

Assist to Willie L. who now has 7 points in 10 games.

What a start for Willie. I thought all this talk about “not expecting any offence” was a bit overblown – watching him skate and move the puck on campa, he has skill and can skate.

Let’s not forget, the European leagues are lower scoring. Klef didn’t score much over there either.

Bling

Wilde,

That’s a good post, Wilde.

I think there is some reason for optimism, here. JP was a contributing NHL player at age 18 and 19. He needs to build on it here, and hopefully this stint in the AHL is good for him.

The wise thing to do would be to leave him down there for the full season. Him and Yamamoto should be up as top 6 wingers OR on a third line or fourth line with someone like Marody, who I believe will show some offensive chops at the NHL level.

Playing either of the kids with guys like Strome and Lucic is a complete waste of time. Lucic no longer belongs in the top 9 and Jesse’s scoring tanked with Strome dating back to the end of last season.