A Worried Mind

by Lowetide

One thing’s for sure: This isn’t Jesse Puljujarvi’s fault. The Edmonton Oilers were beyond bad on home ice last night, in a game they needed to win in order to stop the bleeding. It was 60 minutes of coach killer and it’s impossible to ignore this spectacle. When your best players—and make no mistake that ghastly effort involved everyone but the fourth line—play that poorly, it’s a bad day.

I’m casting about looking for a song to match the mood, and find myself drawn to a hotel room in Orillia, Ontario and a wordsmith writing about the gales of November. We’re not there yet, but it’s in the forecast.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton is going to bring it all season long. Proud to be part of a lineup that is ready to cover the coming year. Outstanding coverage from a large group, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis, Lowetide, Minnia Feng and Pat McLean. If you haven’t subscribed yet, now’s your chance. Best available offer is here!

  • New Lowetide: Oilers send Puljujarvi and Yamamoto to Bakersfield; recall Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers trade options: Dealing from strength is finally a possibility.
  • Lowetide: What happens to the Oilers when Alex Chiasson’s hot streak ends?
  • Jonathan Willis: Under the circumstances, playing in the AHL affords Jesse Puljujarvi the best chance at career redemption.
  • Lowetide: A new day dawning for Oilers prospects in Bakersfield as increased usage means greater success.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: In depth: Embattled Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli defends his record, remains bullish on the future.
  • Lowetide: Future Oilers bubbling under in Bakersfield may get a look sooner rather than later.
  • Lowetide: Oscar Klefbom takes a step forward for the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Forty years later, remembering the forgotten trade that brought Wayne Gretzky to Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Oilers reach a pressure point on defence and right wing.

GAME NOTES

  • Ordinarily I do breakdowns of all the possession numbers and shots, et cetera, but always reserve the right to pass on the opportunity. I don’t work when the Oilers don’t work.
  • There’s also lots of score effects in the possession numbers, so not much to learn. Bottom line: Connor, Oscar, Nuge, Leon, Cam, not one of the key players had a good game. If I had to pick a first star it would be Zack Kassian. Second star? Mikko Koskinen.
  • Apologies. You can grab the info at NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.
  • Ty Rattie scored a goal, he’s up to 8, 2-2-4 now and 1.77 per 60 scoring 5-on-5. That number ranks him No. 4 among Oilers forwards.
  • Cam Talbot was poor. I’m normally upbeat on the goalers but he wasn’t good from the start.
  • Connor McDavid deserves linemates of a quality Nathan MacKinnon enjoys. One day he’s going to wake up and be extremely pissed with this organization. That’ll be a bad day.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was not good. You can look through all seven years of this blog and find very few times I’ve been overly critical. I appreciate his game very much. He was off.
  • Zack Kassian was fantastic, and the entire fourth line easily the best thing going for this club.

OILERS AFTER 17

  • Oilers in October 20156-11-0, 12 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in October 2016: 9-7-1, 19 points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in October 2017: 6-9-2, 14 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in October 2018: 8-8-1, 17 points; goal differential -8

The four game losing streak has coincided with a blip for the 2016 team, but in the following five games the 2016-17 playoff group went 3-1-1 to correct the course. Will this team do the same? Not with an effort like last night.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 2-4-0, four points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-3-1, five points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in November 2017: 3-3-0, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in November 2018: 2-4-0, four points; goal differential -6

Oilers this November remind me of that 2015 team to be honest, kind of careening between individual brilliance and collective malaise. We’re at a point now where it’s pretty freaking serious for the head coach, so Tuesday is a big game.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Washington, Tampa Bay, Florida  (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 1-3-0)
  • At home to: Colorado, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Dallas, Los Angeles  (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 2-4-0, 4 points in 6 games

Off the rails now, the ‘expected’ results were taken out back and shot last night around midnight. At this point, it’s probably fair to suggest the two Los Angeles games are winnable. After that? Depends on whether or not the Oilers decide it’s a good night to show up. Edmonton has gone 0-2, 6-2-1, 2-4-0 to start the season. Not much consistency there.

FIRE THE COACH

History tells us the coach is the first to get the pink slip. I have argued Todd McLellan doesn’t have the horses, but at some point that’s not going to fly. The Oilers rarely fire coaches in the middle of a season (Bryan Watson, Ted Green, George Burnett, Dallas Eakins). Todd McLellan has coached the Oilers for 13 playoff games, don’t know that he’ll get another one.

I don’t think this roster is good enough and that’s on the general manager. Four years now into Connor McDavid’s career and nothing rhymes. That’s on management, in my opinion. I’m thrilled with the progress in procurement, that is going to pay dividends. I’m not sure Peter Chiarelli or Todd McLellan are going to be around to see their dream come to fruition.

I don’t think the losing goes on much longer without a change. The Montreal game is a monster.

WHAT ABOUT KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY

It’s the right thing to do, but may cost the general manager his job. I wouldn’t be shocked to see one giant trade here, something designed to shock the system. What does it look like? Maybe it’s Tanner Pearson or Mats Zuccarello, maybe it’s Tuukka Rask. Expect the startling.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

I’ll be on the round table of the Dustin Nielson show at 9 this morning, TSN1260. Jamo will join me, we’ll talk CFL, Oilers and other things! At 10, it’s the Lowdown, scheduled to appear:

  • Andy McNamara, TSN4Downs. We’ll chat Cleveland Browns, Philadelphia Eagles, Tennessee Titans and more. Crazy football weekend.
  • Darrin Bauming, TSN1290 Winnipeg. The Blue Bombers are moving on, after a big win in Regina yesterday.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. What’s the next step for the Oilers?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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jake70

Interesting….I have this game on TSN2 ….looks like regional feed for the Canadiens.

ArmchairGM

Woodguy v2.0: That post was inspired by Stauffer and Spector today.

Stauffer read a text that said McLellan should have left JP with McDavid because Bednar left Rantanen with MacKinnon to help develop him.

Spec’s response was “well Puljujarvi is no Rantanen”

So I looked to see if he was right.

Turns out they were very, very, very close in results in JP’s 19 year old year and Rantanen’s 20 year old year.

So JP was actually ahead of him.

Then in JP’s 20 year old year the head coach shivs him.

I didn’t hate JP on the 3rd line, but keep fucking playing him and quit benching him for mistakes that others don’t get benched for.

Completely messing with that kid’s head and he’s got oodles of talent waiting to be blossom.

I’ve posted this before but it wouldn’t hurt to post again I’m sure:

[all numbers 5v5 points/60 and (TOI)]

DRAFT +1
Rantanen w/ MacKinnon: 0.00 (0:43)
Rantanen w/ Duchene: 0.00 (29:09)
Puljujarvi w/ McDavid: 2.86 (84:01)
Puljujarvi w/ Draisaitl: 1.67 (107:28)

DRAFT +2
Rantanen w/ MacKinnon: 1.66 (684:55)
Rantanen w/ Duchene: 0.86 (350:34)
Puljujarvi w/ McDavid: 1.87 (256:57)**
Puljujarvi w/ McDavid [w/o Lucic]: 2.42 (74:34)**
Puljujarvi w/ Draisaitl: 2.37 (101:22)

Rantanen is getting over 1000 minutes with skill centers!

DRAFT +3
Rantanen w/ MacKinnon: 2.28 (946:52)
Rantanen w/ Duchene: 0.00 (12:48)
Puljujarvi w/ McDavid: 8.76 (6:51) ***
Puljujarvi w/ Draisaitl: 0.00 (31:58) ***

So those 1000 minutes Rantanen got in the top-6 paid off the next year, he’s now scoring at a 1st line pace.

** Much of this time included Lucic on the other wing, stunting JP’s numbers (and McDavid’s), so I also show Puljujarvi’s P/60 without Lucic
*** These numbers are from this season, so small sample size alert.

Another way Puljujarvi got short-changed was in PP time. The PP is an ideal place to play a young player, as they have extra time and space and their mistakes are less likely to end up in the back of the net.

[all numbers PP goals/60 | points/60 (TOI/gp) and most common linemates]

DRAFT +1
Rantanen 0.00 | 0.00 (0:00)
Puljujarvi 2.65 | 2.65 (0:48) Maroon, Nugent-Hopkins – 2nd PP unit

DRAFT +2
Rantanen 1.17 | 2.92 (2:51) MacKinnon, Barrie – 1st PP unit
Puljujarvi 2.48 | 2.48 (0.44) Lucic, Maroon – 2nd PP unit

DRAFT +3
Rantanen 2.38 | 6.94 (3:46) Landeskog, MacKinnon – 1st PP unit
Puljujarvi 0.00 | 0.00 (0.50) Strome, Yamamoto

It’s pretty clear that McLellan hasn’t been serious about developing Puljujarvi’s offensive game at all. In 2017-18, Puljujarvi was 18th on the roster for PP time/game, but 2nd for PP goals/60. He scored at about 2.5x the rate that Lucic did, yet somehow Lucic “earned” 2:07/gp vs JP’s 0:44.

And another thing: although just one draft-year apart, Puljujarvi is more than 18 months younger than Rantanen – October 1996 to May 1998.

knighttown

You can argue the Leafs didn’t need Tavares but you can’t really say he’s overpaid. He’s right there in that top-10 in the NHL range and most believe stars are underpaid compared to the mid-level guys.

This reminds me of the Leon/Pastrnak signings. Leon got his money but that cap hit pretty much guarantees that he’ll never be a “value” guy. Pastrnak signed for a bit of a bargain and now he’s exploded and is on one of the best contracts in the NHL.

In my world I’m a big fan of wage grids. Have a plan and stick with it. You sign Tavares but only if he slots in below Matthews. Marner gets more than Nylander but less than Tavares. Nylander gets less than Marner. Once you start crossing swords you can make a mess.

If that’s the hill Dubas dies on I can’t blame him. Treat his season like a red-shirt season if you have to.

drglen

I’m curious, how many goals have been scored from D this year. ?

(maybe I should ask how many points from D,)

Of course, that first pass from D is often the fourth assist.

drglen

intriguing first paragraph… I guess I’ll have to subscribe to the athletic. Phil’s 76 Goals does kind of stand out as an outlier, but as you say he had Bobby Orr setting him up.

When Connor realises that he actually IS Messier, he will get 50. He has to stop apologizing to coaches, linemates, other players, and media, and simply own the league

. Hook him, dirty play, .. payback is an elbow to the face right then and there. ala Gordie Howe. Then he scores 60.

who

I think Pesce and his contract is a good deal for the Leafs.
No way they trade Nylander straight up for Faulk.

JimmyV1965

Wilde:
One of the Nylander articles at The Athletic bounced a Faulk + Teravainen deal before noting that Faulk wasn’t the D-man the Leafs are looking for and Teravainen isn’t as good offensively as Nylander.

So then, adding Brett Pesce apparently makes more sense but is still “sacrificing a star for two role players”.

Am I crazy to think that’s completely ludicrous?

Like, I’m basically pro-Leafs compared to what the usual Oilers fan / / Edmontonian feels about Toronto, I don’t mind them or their amount of coverage at all.

But talking about that deal that way is nuts. Teravainen is a top-line forward. He’s a legitimate star of the same variety Nylander is – he and Aho elevate a grinding third player (Ferland) just like Matthews and Nylander and Hyman.

Then you splash in a legit 2/3 guy on a Nashville-deal and it “makes a little more sense”?

?????????????

If the Leafs could get either Faulk or Pesce, the deal would be done. Adding in TT is ridiculous homerism.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

Chelios is a Dinosaur,

What if you swap Khaira and Caggiula?

Woodguy v2.0

Wilde: I have Nylander being better on the condition he stays on-curve yeah, but sometimes guys don’t

Either way the age thing makes Nylander a better asset, but calling those two (Pesce&Teuvo) players ‘role players’ was the part that got my goat

Yeah, first line wing and first pairing D aren’t “role players”

Wilde

Woodguy v2.0: Nylander is way ahead of where Teravainen was at the same age.

That said, thinking that Nylander is worth both Teravainen AND Pesce is ridiculous.

He’s worth a bit more than Teravainen, but Pesce is a top pairing quality Dman and not a “trade topper”

Many fans over rate the value of their players, TOR fans/writers are no different.

I have Nylander being better on the condition he stays on-curve yeah, but sometimes guys don’t

Either way the age thing makes Nylander a better asset, but calling those two (Pesce&Teuvo) players ‘role players’ was the part that got my goat

Jethro Tull

Wilde,

Kicker is that the Leafs don’t save that much money id they do this deal and Teravainen will need to enter new contract negotiations next year.

This means the trade could cost potentially more in 2yrs time as it would if they just signed Nylander.

Woodguy v2.0

Wilde:
One of the Nylander articles at The Athletic bounced a Faulk + Teravainen deal before noting that Faulk wasn’t the D-man the Leafs are looking for and Teravainen isn’t as good offensively as Nylander.

So then, adding Brett Pesce apparently makes more sense but is still “sacrificing a star for two role players”.

Am I crazy to think that’s completely ludicrous?

Like, I’m basically pro-Leafs compared to what the usual Oilers fan / / Edmontonian feels about Toronto, I don’t mind them or their amount of coverage at all.

But talking about that deal that way is nuts. Teravainen is a top-line forward. He’s a legitimate star of the same variety Nylander is – he and Aho elevate a grinding third player (Ferland) just like Matthews and Nylander and Hyman.

Then you splash in a legit 2/3 guy on a Nashville-deal and it “makes a little more sense”?

?????????????

Nylander is way ahead of where Teravainen was at the same age.

That said, thinking that Nylander is worth both Teravainen AND Pesce is ridiculous.

He’s worth a bit more than Teravainen, but Pesce is a top pairing quality Dman and not a “trade topper”

Many fans over rate the value of their players, TOR fans/writers are no different.

Wilde

According to Dom L’s fantasy projection, we’ll get to watch around –

33 more Connor McDavid goals,

25 more Leon Draisaitl goals,

and

24 more Ryan Nugent-Hopkins goals, this season.

Wilde

One of the Nylander articles at The Athletic bounced a Faulk + Teravainen deal before noting that Faulk wasn’t the D-man the Leafs are looking for and Teravainen isn’t as good offensively as Nylander.

So then, adding Brett Pesce apparently makes more sense but is still “sacrificing a star for two role players”.

Am I crazy to think that’s completely ludicrous?

Like, I’m basically pro-Leafs compared to what the usual Oilers fan / / Edmontonian feels about Toronto, I don’t mind them or their amount of coverage at all.

But talking about that deal that way is nuts. Teravainen is a top-line forward. He’s a legitimate star of the same variety Nylander is – he and Aho elevate a grinding third player (Ferland) just like Matthews and Nylander and Hyman.

Then you splash in a legit 2/3 guy on a Nashville-deal and it “makes a little more sense”?

?????????????

OriginalPouzar

With no center and 3 weak defensive players, I don’t think that 4th line can even get 10-12 minutes – they would never have the puck, would be chasing and likely getting scored on and/or taking penalties.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

Given current bodies, I want to see this fwd lineup:

1. Strome MacDavid Chiasson: Unlock attempt for Strome and at least Chiasson can shoot.
2. RNH Draisaitl Rieder: This is a good second line.

Those two lines ought to outscore the opposition, especially at home. Can they outscore given:

3. Khaira Marody Kassian: Its already getting ugly but these three all have something to play for.
4. Lucic Caggiula Rattie: Not Rattie’s fault, maybe switch with Kassian but I like the muscle on L3.

They can, if L4 gets 10-12 minutes and KMK are playing with their asses on fire.

hunter1909

€√¥£€^$: players like employees due often tune out their coach/boss and lose that intangible that often makes them exceptional at what they do.

When a low talent player tunes out the coach it’s often dismissed as how a player isn’t of the proper level to play for the coach…

But when a superstar dogs it, like McDavid during the last few games; tonight’s game might be called:

“Todd McLellan’s Last Stand”.

--hudson--

Wilde: The part about “I’m not trying to take away their creativity when I’m talking about risk management” (paraphrased) is like sticking ‘no offense’ in front of something highly offensive.

Especially the part about “we got to understand that every play has an impact on the game”.

NOT TO MENTION –

Thinking goals-against is the problem right now is just obscene.

The Oilers, at 5v5, are at 1.87 goals-for per 60 and 2.32 goals-against per 60.

They would need to be a top-4 team in the league at suppressing goals in order to BREAK EVEN with this goal-scoring rate.

It struck me as odd as well. You don’t want to parse the words too closely but he sounds the exact opposite of Gerard Gallant. Being afraid to make a mistake sure lines of with place and chase, big point shots, and not really the type of hockey I want to watch.

I was happy to hear the chunk at the end on the Strome line and that they need to get producing. Not sure how he thinks that’s going to happen though.

€√¥£€^$

GordieHoweHatTrick: Looking at this line-up sparked a few thoughts…

First, I “dislike” seeing > $21,000,000 on one line. This is desperation.

Second, there have been significant arguments and data for Strome at 3C instead of RW, BUT the 3rd line has not been able to “get going offensively”, while generally managing defensively most nights this year (if I recall correctly). IF, Marody could handle 3C with some capable veteran wingers (e.g., Reider and Chiasson), which centre does Strome work with best historically (97 or 29)?

Caggiula-McDavid-Strome/Rattie
RNH-Draisaitl-Strome/Rattie
Rieder-Marody-Chiasson
Khaira/Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian

This would put some more skill in the top 6 and perhaps bring some much needed creativity to the 3rd line.Caveat: TMac clearly does not like Strome, so I doubt he would get the chance to move up the line up when he hasn’t “earned it”.

Third. I have loved this team for a long time. I hurt when they lose. I am convinced they will never win a Stanley Cup with TMac at the helm. The sick masochistic part of me wants to see them suffer a bit more over the next 2 weeks so there is no choice but to fire the coach. Why put off the inevitable?

Fourth. My gut tells me Connor is done playing for TMac.

I agree with all your points.

It seems that Connor has lost “the fire” over the last few games. And from the outside looking in, and considering comments we’ve heard from Hall, Pakarinen and even Uber passengers, players like employees do often tune out their coach/boss and lose that intangible that often makes them exceptional at what they do. I can relate on a few levels.

This is a big one, and if this organization (BobKat) (waidaminit…does this explain the choice of mascot?) is satisfied with mediocrity, then instead of occassionally “losing” CMD, they may end losing him for good as many others have suggested today.

Of course in Oilerland the 4 loses in a row equates to a falling sky, so if they happen to get a few W’s stitched together then all the angst will be behind us until the next losing skid.

Like I said after the NJ game, it would be better for the org if they lost early and often and made a change ASAP. Likely Gulutzan would be annointed HC, but this is what unimaginative teams do. I’d like to see MV be given the keys to this team.

Anyway, I am guessing this team limps to .500 by Christmas and then just after Christmas the whells will fall off and Chia won’t make a move until mid-January to replace the HC.

season not played

I would look at waiting to see who ends up with the number one pick this year and trade mcdavid for Jack Hughes plus. For example, Colorado (via Ottowa) + Cale Makar + Grubauer. Move the time line back giving me a few years to dig out of the cap situation and still turn the 2015 lottery win in to a dynasty.

franksterra

Sorry all, I’m a few pops in in a Vancouver hotel

franksterra

Fiala lame. Ducks 2pts

franksterra

Rakell lube hands

franksterra

Gibson glove on ellis

franksterra

Getzlaf stoned

franksterra

Iron

franksterra

Turris somehow gets Gibson to give him half the net

franksterra

Pontus

Wilde

Glovjuice: Fak. Who can tell him this? Surely there MUST be someone on staff that should/can/will I would think.

Guessing here, I imagine his response would be that after the team tightens up defensively, the offense will come. That’s a common coaching sentiment and one that he added during that same avail.

Which is all well and good when we’re talking about having the puck more meaning scoring more goals – but this team has trouble with the second portion of that much more than it has trouble with the first.

If they keep making low shooting percentage offensive plays, they’ll keep getting outscored regardless. They can be as tight defensively as they want, goals against will still happen. Whereas, goals-for don’t just ‘happen’ at the same rate because of how uncreatively and unambitiously the team attempts to generate offense 5v5, even with McDavid on the ice atm.

The bounces will create goals-against regardless of execution, and they won’t create goals-for because the team doesn’t induce scenarios where dangerous bounces happen.

I’m seeing a lot of posts about effort today and they’re missing something. It’s not effort, and it’s not attitude.

The fourth line created the most against Colorado because they made plays from below the dots into the slot area. No other line was doing that. The rest were all going with the grain and not against it, shooting from distance or in the goalie’s set vision.

Glovjuice

Wilde:
The teams that give up less goals than the Oilers score right now – 1.87/60, are the top three teams in save-percentage.

Two of them are Nashville and Boston, the other is Anaheim.

So, Talbot has to be a Vezina goalie and/or the Oilers have to defend as well as Boston or Nashville.

Then, they’ll break even in goals.

Todd McLellan doesn’t appear to know where we are or how we got here.

Those are two things you usually have to be aware of before you find out how to get out.

Fak. Who can tell him this? Surely there MUST be someone on staff that should/can/will I would think.

Scungilli Slushy

Scungilli Slushy: The Oilers roster isn’t perfect but no team’ is because cap.

Yourcomment hits the nail on the head with my issues with what’s going on.

This roster is the best we’ve seen in years. It could be better but what about now?

I have no confidence that the most is being made of what’s there. Maybe it comes from above the ice or issues with players and agents but there is more to get out of the players and system.

Maybe a new coach, but Gulatzan and all players the Sask boys are cut from the same cloth, and a step down from Babcock. Or two. Most people can’t do what he does being a grumpy hard ass or so his public persona seems.

I’d go with Quenneville or Vivieros. Yawney maybe but probably too old school.

Shake the deployments up to a different look and let them play for a stretch. Trade Talbot before Koski takes his job and kills his value.

Meant Sask coaches not players. The cabal has mostly run its course it seems.

Scungilli Slushy

digger50:
Tonight Pontus is top line right winger and first PP unit.

Hmmmm

Todd is just so dang good at assessing talent? Pontus may not have been “the” answer, but he may have provided a piece of the answer. However he is sent packing, we lose the emerging prospect.

Oiler fans state he wasn’t very good anyway. This cycle repeats.

The Oilers roster isn’t perfect but no team’ is because cap.

Your comment hits the nail on the head with my issues with what’s going on.

This roster is the best we’ve seen in years. It could be better but what about now?

I have no confidence that the most is being made of what’s there. Maybe it comes from above the ice or issues with players and agents but there is more to get out of the players and system.

Maybe a new coach, but Gulatzan and all players the Sask boys are cut from the same cloth, and a step down from Babcock. Or two. Most people can’t do what he does being a grumpy hard ass or so his public persona seems.

I’d go with Quenneville or Vivieros. Yawney maybe but probably too old school.

Shake the deployments up to a different look and let them play for a stretch. Trade Talbot before Koski takes his job and kills his value.

northerndancer

It takes a worried man to sing a worried song
It takes a worried man to sing a worried song
It takes a worried man to sing a worried song
I’m worried now, but I won’t be worried long…..

LT, I bow down to your optimism. And a tip of the hat to the original WG, Woodie Guthrie.

I was on a long trip down across the mighty rockies today and came home to find the masses burning pitchforks like their was no hay crop tomorrow……yikes. The road is long, with many a winding turn..82 games. And now I duck back into my kootenay cave to wait out the storm.

Wilde

The diminishing returns on trying to lower your goals against is absurd compared to just… scoring more than 2 goals an hour 5v5 with the best 5v5 player on the planet playing 25 minutes.

OmJo

Also also, Yakupov scored his 8th goal in 16 games tonight.

v4ance

Wilde:
The teams that give up less goals than the Oilers score right now – 1.87/60, are the top-three teams in save-percentage.

Two of them are Nashville and Boston, the other is Anaheim.

So, Talbot has to be a Vezina goalie and/or the Oilers have to defend as well as Boston or Nashville.

Then, they’ll break even in goals.

Todd McLellan doesn’t appear to know where we are or how we got here.

Those are two things you usually have to know before you find out how to get out.

He knows. That’s why Caggulia is on the first line! Drake will save us!

OmJo

Also, good for Aberg that he got out while he still had a chance to salvage an NHL career. Right now he’d either he playing 4RW or, more likely, watching from the McLellan Doghouse.

OmJo

digger50:
Tonight Pontus is top line right winger and first PP unit.

Hmmmm

Todd is just so dang good at assessing talent? Pontus may not have been “the” answer, but he may have provided a piece of the answer. However he is sent packing, we lose the emerging prospect.

Oiler fans state he wasn’t very good anyway. This cycle repeats.

I remember at the start of the season OP was getting some slack for complaining about losing Aberg. Aberg was a bum, after all.

Think some owe him an apology.

OmJo

Wilde: Thanks for the transcript Hudson.

This part I’ve quoted is the definition of insanity.

You have Connor f’ng McDavid and your biggest concern is that the team can’t win games by scoring 1 goal?

Is Chiarelli just screwing with us at this point?

Wilde

The teams that give up less goals than the Oilers score right now – 1.87/60, are the top three teams in save-percentage.

Two of them are Nashville and Boston, the other is Anaheim.

So, Talbot has to be a Vezina goalie and/or the Oilers have to defend as well as Boston or Nashville.

Then, they’ll break even in goals.

Todd McLellan doesn’t appear to know where we are or how we got here.

Those are two things you usually have to be aware of before you find out how to get out.

who

digger50:
Tonight Pontus is top line right winger and first PP unit.

Hmmmm

Todd is just so dang good at assessing talent? Pontus may not have been “the” answer, but he may have provided a piece of the answer. However he is sent packing, we lose the emerging prospect.

Oiler fans state he wasn’t very good anyway. This cycle repeats.

Yeah he’s looking pretty good too.
But once Todd decides he doesn’t like you, you’re done.

digger50

Tonight Pontus is top line right winger and first PP unit.

Hmmmm

Todd is just so dang good at assessing talent? Pontus may not have been “the” answer, but he may have provided a piece of the answer. However he is sent packing, we lose the emerging prospect.

Oiler fans state he wasn’t very good anyway. This cycle repeats.

who

Pescador: I wonder if our GM is interested in waiting to see what happens
I’m guessing the answer is no

Yeah. He’s got a lot more on the line than I do.
But I do think Katz will tell him when he HAS to fire the coach.
It’s in Chias best interest to hang on to Tmac as long as he can. Once he fires Tmac it’s all on him. That’s where it gets real uncomfortable.

Pescador

McSorley33:
Dustylegnd,

Wow.

This is a terrible/embarrassing indictment of our head coach.

Lucic was painfully in the top 6 to start the season.

The fact remains that a new coach isn’t going to be able to fix the shitty roster.
But it’s past time for a change

Richard S.S.

To trade Milan Lucic, a 2019 3rd round pick, a 2020 1st Round pick, a 2021 2nd Round Pick and someone else might get a 4th Round pick back, possibly less. If acquiring someone useful, the “someone else” should be good.

Wilde

franksterra:
Wilde,

By the end he sounds like a python trying to squeeze all the players to death.

The part about “I’m not trying to take away their creativity when I’m talking about risk management” (paraphrased) is like sticking ‘no offense’ in front of something highly offensive.

Especially the part about “we got to understand that every play has an impact on the game”.

NOT TO MENTION –

Thinking goals-against is the problem right now is just obscene.

The Oilers, at 5v5, are at 1.87 goals-for per 60 and 2.32 goals-against per 60.

They would need to be a top-4 team in the league at suppressing goals in order to BREAK EVEN with this goal-scoring rate.

Pescador

who: Actually, I’m in no rush to fire him. The player who was being hurt by his presence is gone.
Tmac has his veteran team now. Let’s see what he does with it.

I wonder if our GM is interested in waiting to see what happens
I’m guessing the answer is no

franksterra

Wilde,

By the end he sounds like a python trying to squeeze all the players to death.

Wilde

–hudson–: We worked on some things in practice and for us to get out of it is much a mental decision to play the game with the right amount of risk at certain times, better game management, obviously bringing it to begin with, and we talked about those things. So we packaged up this year’s team and talked about that we didn’t start well, but we got to work, and it began in Boston. Then it went to New York from there we found a lucky game in Winnipeg because we weren’t very good to start with, but we worked their way through it.

All of our wins, except for the one outlier in Winnipeg, we’ve given up three or fewer goals so there is a common theme to that. All of our losses were over three or over, and I’m not just talking about the Edmonton Oilers, I’m talking about the NHL. That’s how it works and right now we’re chasing mistakes and we’re hoping that we’re gonna get to four or five or six a night, and it doesn’t happen on a regular basis. We proved it with our own wins so understanding that offense comes when it’s presented, and you work to it, and you try and create it. But you’ve gotta manage the risk part, it’s really important for our team right now.

We meet with the staff and one of the assistant coaches asked, “Can we win a game one-nothing right now?” That’s something we have to have. That mentality of it doesn’t mean we’re trying to take away their scoring, their creativity, anything like that. But we’ve got to manage risk a little bit better and we got to understand that every play has an impact on the game, as little as it may feel like when you’re on the ice, but every play has an impact on the game.

Thanks for the transcript Hudson.

This part I’ve quoted is the definition of insanity.