Game 19 2018-19: Oilers at Flames

Yesterday the Oilers traded for Ryan Spooner. He’s a skilled complementary forward who has played center at times during his career, but is more effective on the wing. Spooner is a playmaker and has had success on the power play, although his role in Boston was reduced as more capable players (Marchand, Pastrnak) were either added to the roster or moved past him. At 5-on-5, Spooner can post numbers if he plays with superior linemates, as he did 2015-17. I like the trade. It could work out handsomely if Spooner finds himself playing left wing with Connor McDavid. That’s the ideal spot for him, replacing Drake Caggiula. It could work out poorly if Spooner is asked to drive a line with lesser players alongside.

TOP 20 PROSPECTS BEGIN!

Of all the things I’ve written, the thing that brings me the most pride is the winter top 20. We’ve seen a lot together over these many years, and watching these prospects blossom into productive NHL players is a satisfying pastime. If you’ve enjoyed my ‘top 20 prospects’ series going back to 2003, and contemplating subscribing to The Athletic, this would be a great time to do it. I began the series this morning with No. 1 (Evan Bouchard) if you click on that link it’ll direct you on how to subscribe. I’ve added a ‘personal observations’ segment, designed to give you an idea about estimated time of arrival and what the player will bring when he gets to Edmonton. If you’re already a subscriber, please drop me a line in regard to my take on Bouchard.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton is going to bring it all season long. Proud to be part of a lineup that is ready to cover the coming year. Outstanding coverage from a large group, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis, Lowetide, Minnia Feng and Pat McLean. If you haven’t subscribed yet, now’s your chance. Best available offer is here!

  • New Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.
  • Jonathan Willis: Tobias Rieder will miss a critical month, creating problems for Edmonton but opportunities for its players.
  • Tyler Dellow: If nothing changes, Oilers should buy out Milan Lucic next summer.
  • Lowetide: The past, present and future of the Andrej Sekera contract.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Elmer Benning on his 47 years as a scout (excellent article).
  • Jonathan Willis: After several failed attempts to fix their issues on the wings, it’s time for the Oilers to explore the trade market.
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid, a 50-goal season and chasing Phil Esposito’s magical 1970-71.
  • Lowetide: Oilers send Puljujarvi and Yamamoto to Bakersfield; recall Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers trade options: Dealing from strength is finally a possibility.
  • Lowetide: What happens to the Oilers when Alex Chiasson’s hot streak ends?
  • Jonathan Willis: Under the circumstances, playing in the AHL affords Jesse Puljujarvi the best chance at career redemption.
  • Lowetide: A new day dawning for Oilers prospects in Bakersfield as increased usage means greater success.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: In depth: Embattled Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli defends his record, remains bullish on the future.
  • Lowetide: Future Oilers bubbling under in Bakersfield may get a look sooner rather than later.
  • Lowetide: Oscar Klefbom takes a step forward for the Edmonton Oilers.

OILERS AFTER 19

  • Oilers in October 20156-12-1, 13 points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in October 2016: 10-8-1, 21 points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in October 2017: 7-10-2, 16 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in October 2018: 9-8-1, 19 points; goal differential -4

This is a monster weekend, it could be grand or diabolical. In movie terms, the range high to low would be Shawshank Redemption (destination Zihuatanejo) to The Lost Weekend (destination a lit cigarette meeting a full glass of whisky). If Edmonton wins both of these games, it sets up November in a very positive way.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 3-4-1, seven points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-5-1, five points; goal differential -9
  • Oilers in November 2017: 4-3-1, nine points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in November 2018: 3-4-0, six points; goal differential -2

The November McLellans have been a little all over the place. His best November team (to this point) is easily the most disappointing of the four clubs he has coached (2017-18). Yet, eight games in the arrows were heading in a good direction. The gales of November are a constant worry.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Washington, Tampa Bay, Florida  (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 1-3-0)
  • At home to: Colorado, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Dallas, Los Angeles  (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 3-4-0, 6 points in 7 games

The rubber hits the road against the Pacific Division now, Edmonton under Peter Chiarelli has placed a lot of focus on these games. The team had quite the run against the Flames over recent times, that began to change late last season. The Oilers won the season opener 3-0 in 2017-18, than another (7-5) win came in December (it was the Brossoit killer game on HNIC), then a shootout win in late January (Brandon Davidson scored twice). The next two games, in March, were losses by 1-0 and 3-2 scores. In 2016-17 (4-0 Oilers) the club delivered handsomely. A repeat this time would be ideal.

STEP UP FOR MARODY?

  • Todd McLellan: He is and will be an NHL centerman, when all is said and done. That could probably happen quickly when he gets that opportunity to play. We’ll see as our lineup evolves.”

The first thing you have to examine after this trade’s completion? Who is playing No. 3 center. There are several ways this can go, this is the group I expect we’ll see:

  • Drake Caggiula—Connor McDavid—Leon Draisaitl
  • Ryan Spooner—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Alex Chiasson
  • Milan Lucic—Cooper Marody—Ty Rattie
  • Jujhar Khaira—Kyle Brodziak—Zack Kassian
  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Darnell Nurse—Matt Benning
  • Kevin Gravel—Kris Russell
  • Mikko Koskinen (Cam Talbot)

I would find a way to get Spooner to the No. 1 line, not sure about Marody in the middle but what a great opportunity for him. If he can help that line outscore opponents he’ll never leave the lineup.

The Oilers have more speed, skill, quickness today. The team has one fewer PK option and I’m not sure Spooner is going to be one of the four best power-play forwards. I don’t think he’s going to be a center either, but if Marody is in fact sliding into the every night lineup perhaps the coach will pair them.

CONDORS FRIDAY NIGHT

  • Kailer Yamamoto—Josh Currie—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Joe Gambardella—Brad Malone—Braden Christoffer
  • Tyler Benson—Tyler Vesel—Cameron Hebig
  • Evan Polei—Luke Esposito—Dave Gust
  • William Lagesson—Caleb Jones
  • Keegan Lowe—Ethan Bear
  • Ryan Stanton—Logan Day
  • Al Montoya (Shane Starrett)

The Condors were no match for the San Diego Gulls, Dallas Eakins’ team scoring three in the first half of the game and then riding to victory. The Lowe-Bear pairing struggled, Jesse Puljujarvi was brilliant and got in a fight (Oilers have to be careful about this kind of thing, the AHL has a bunch of nasty pieces of work looking to gain a reputation).

Shane Starrett stopped a lot of rubber in relief, Yamamoto had some flashes, but it was a generally disappointing game

SPOONER VERSUS STROME

I like yesterday’s trade in all areas but two: Penalty killing has taken a hit, and Spooner’s arrival comes at a vitally important moment in the season. I would have liked to see this Oilers team arrive at these next games set in their roles. That said, the skill is higher today than it was yesterday.

You hope this trade ends up being a turning point for both players and their careers blossom. Chance are it’s going to be closer to Jussi-Jokinen-for-Mike-Cammalleri than Billy-Harris-for-Butch-Goring.

  • Spooner per 82gp NHL: 13-32-45
  • Strome per 82gp NHL: 14-23-37

I think that’s a fair reflection of the offensive gap between these two players, but Strome is a RH center and can penalty kill. Both men are complementary offensive players, but Spooner has more ability and can play on the 5-on-4 and that’s in the numbers above. I don’t think he’s going to get power-play time ahead of Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl or Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. He will be a bigger help than Milan Lucic, and maybe that gets him No. 1 power-play time. I don’t think it’s likely. If I were king of the world, I’d work toward this roster when Tobias Rieder and Jesse Puljujarvi return to the capital:

  • Ryan Spooner—Connor McDavid—Leon Draisaitl
  • Tobias Rieder—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Jesse Puljujarvi/Ty Rattie/Kailer Yamamoto
  • Milan Lucic—Jujhar Khaira/Cooper Marody—Alex Chiasson
  • Drake Caggiula—Kyle Brodziak—Zack Kassian
  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Darnell Nurse—Matt Benning
  • Kevin Gravel—Kris Russell
  • Jason Garrison
  • Cam Talbot (Mikko Koskinen)

Chiarelli would be smart to push the idea, because Spooner (like Strome) isn’t a guaranteed success. There’s a chance he wouldn’t move the needle much more than Strome on a Lucic-Spooner-Chiasson trio.

 

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  1. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Can this team play fucking 60 minutes?

    Fucking fire everyone. Absolute horse shit effort.

    Except Kos he’s been great.

  2. Ribs says:

    Looks like the Oilers ate 8lb steaks during the 2nd intermission. McDavid, even! Whaaaaattttttt

  3. JOFA says:

    Kassian with Nuge and Lucic with McDavid is genius Mclellan😉

  4. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    drago:
    Call a damn timeout

    No point… he’s already lost the team.

  5. McSorley33 says:

    15-2 for Calgary in shots

  6. prefonmich says:

    Coach is totally clueless. Need offense so where is Marody and why is Looch still on top line??

  7. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yamamoto with a 200 foot empty netter – Condors win, 5-2.

    Some good news

  8. Dustylegnd says:

    Lucic is beyond horrible

  9. Caller Zen says:

    TMac must be bought off – this is some next level Kingpin shit …or else how do you explain this coaching?

  10. McSorley33 says:

    It’s been one long PK the whole period….

  11. commonfan29 says:

    Todd’s last game.

  12. Younger Oil says:

    Whenever Caggiula is on the ice, 90% of his shift is in his own end.

  13. silasbengtsson says:

    Caller Zen:
    TMac must be bought off – this is some next level Kingpin shit …or else how do you explain this coaching?

    He’s just dumb. He’s been this thick since he got here and he’ll continue to be this thick long after he gets his long-deserved firing. After that, then we can focus our attention towards Chiarelli.

  14. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    commonfan29:
    Todd’s last game.

    LOL no.

    He’ll coach this entire season.

  15. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    commonfan29:
    Todd’s last game.

    Let’s hope so…
    Make Viveros new HC…

  16. BeerMe says:

    Koskinen playing by himself

  17. Material Elvis says:

    This is barely watchable. The team folded in the third. At least Draisaitl and McDavid had a protector. Nice coaching……

  18. Gret99zky says:

    Corsi clinic in the 3rd.

  19. OmJo says:

    This is the Decade of Darkness Oilers… That’s not even hyperbole.

  20. texmex says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    Well, he will be behind the bench the entire season. Coaching I’m not so sure

  21. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Fuk the fLames, and fuk tmac too…

  22. commonfan29 says:

    I wonder if the Oilers under TMac are the worst team in the league with either goalie pulled.

  23. Derek says:

    Well Edmonton has been playing three forward lines and the top two pairs almost all game long. I guess some fatigue is expected.

  24. Richard S.S. says:

    They didn’t lost the 2nd Period despite three opponents, the Flames, the Refs and Themselves.
    However, three unanswered Goals says someone’s tired or someone’s quit?

  25. OmJo says:

    Material Elvis:
    This is barely watchable.The team folded in the third.At least Draisaitl and McDavid had a protector.Nice coaching……

    Send a message to the league.

    If you mug McDavid early in the game, Todd will play Lucic on his wing for the rest of the game, negating our top line with 2 of our 3 top six forwards…

  26. McSorley33 says:

    Yes, Mr. Randorf….we last played Tuesday.

    We can’t be tired….

  27. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Derek:
    Well Edmonton has been playing three forward lines and the top two pairs almost all game long.I guess some fatigue is expected.

    Really? Fatigue? They haven’t played since Tuesday.

  28. fishman says:

    Wow pathetic! What the heck happened to Kharia? Cheered for this player to make it but has shown little this year. Team has given up which is disappointing

  29. workaroundaccount says:

    silasbengtsson: He’s just dumb. He’s been this thick since he got here and he’ll continue to be this thick long after he gets his long-deserved firing. After that, then we can focus our attention towards Chiarelli.

    Why divide our attention? Fire the mall!!!

  30. Younger Oil says:

    As bad as TMac’s coaching has been (and it has been BAD), it’s hard to win a hockey game when 9 of your 12 forwards are realistically 4th line or worse.

  31. drglen says:

    No puck moving d. Thats the problem

  32. Munny says:

    Fucking Tkachuk again.

  33. OmJo says:

    Yeah I don’t think the message Lucic sent to Joseph got around to the rest of the league…

  34. Gret99zky says:

    Hahaha Lucic on for the final 2 minutes.

    Yup. I’m officially done with this coach.

  35. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Oilers had the lead… they had the momentum, then Todd flipped the script…

  36. commonfan29 says:

    Signature loss.

  37. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    drglen:
    No puck moving d.Thats the problem

    Nah they did fine when the effort was there. Came out in the third against the best third period team and league and tried to coast it in.

  38. jp says:

    I can’t believe they just lost that game. I’m a bit in shock.

  39. Material Elvis says:

    That’s a tough loss. Our coach sucks.

  40. Gret99zky says:

    There are no words.

  41. itsaleaf says:

    Dogshit third.

    Todd’s gotta go

  42. Dicky94 says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    He has to go! I’ve had enough of his stupidity.

  43. BeerMe says:

    Fire the coach. Fucking moron

  44. OmJo says:

    Oilers never fail to disappoint on HNiC.

  45. innercitysmytty says:

    TMac should be tired after that. Guy has no clue.

  46. innercitysmytty says:

    Fired lol

  47. McSorley33 says:

    We have now lost 5 of our last 6 games.

  48. StixMalone says:

    There goes 4 points….

  49. drglen says:

    This game was winnable.

  50. OmJo says:

    Kassian got a misconduct for being Kassian?

  51. Gerta Rauss says:

    The SS Oiler is taking on water and listing to port

    That’s 5L in the last 6

    That was a missed opportunity, up 2-0 and you gotta lock that down

  52. Dicky94 says:

    innercitysmytty,

    He did look tired too.

  53. itsaleaf says:

    They are who we thought they were

    Dennis green

  54. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Losing to Calgary in this manner has left such a bad taste in my mouth, unless the coach is fired, or the team picks up its collective shit, I’m not watching anymore games.
    I almost hope McDavid threatens a trade request if coach is not fired…
    Almost…

  55. LMHF#1 says:

    Ugh…it might not be fair but that feels like an epic choke job…not that they had a huge lead but they didn’t come to play for 20.

  56. McSorley33 says:

    Three stars:

    1. Rittich
    2. Tmac
    3. Giordano

  57. HT Joe says:

    So, is Lucic-McDavid-Drai the most expensive line in the league? $27M.

  58. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Todd just needs to chew his gum harder.

  59. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Brutal.

  60. Derek says:

    Well, you’ve got two of the best forwards in the Western Conference so you stack them up on one line to overwhelm the other teams defense and then you play this dream offensive team with a guy who has two goals in the last 64 games and then wonder where their offense has gone.

    That’s some slick coaching right there.

  61. Glovjuice says:

    innercitysmytty:
    Fired lol

    The coach got schooled by the in game emotion – wow, is that ever a weak look.

  62. drglen says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    They lost all passing confidence. Just coasted agree. In a daze. Thats a time when a doughty can at leadt carry possession onto the ozone.

  63. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    In the summer I thought there was one job: Get rid of Lucic anyway possible. Did not think his game was coming back.

    Maybe it was impossible. But damn. What a disaster.

  64. Ribs says:

    Gret99zky:
    Hahaha Lucic on for the final 2 minutes.

    Yup. I’m officially done with this coach.

    I was more perplexed as to why Grah-vell was out there. Gravel, Lucic, & Chiasson. Wow.

  65. Hockey Project says:

    I wanted to make sure not to look at what anybody else said before I posted…

    As I watched this game unfold, I have been seething, watching Todd McLellan elevate and keep Milan Lucic to the 97/29 line and then foist Zack Kassian upon Nugent-Hopkins. I don’t have a problem with Lucic and Kassian, as they try, but they just don’t belong there. As soon as Lucic joined that line, their chances just died on his stick, and he just kept putting him out there. I can understand putting him out there or a shift or two, but long after the Flames calmed down and set about the business of playing hockey, McLellan failed to make the simple adjustment of putting his 3rd and 4th line wingers back on the 3rd and 4th line.

    Todd McLellan has forgotten more about coaching than I will ever know, but I’m furious with his coaching tonight. He handed a win to Calgary.

  66. McSorley33 says:

    Outshot 18-5 in the 3rd….

  67. HenryDrix says:

    OmJo:
    Let’s be honest here. TMac should have called a timeout after Monahan had his first chance this period. At the very atleast, at least after he scored.

    Absolutely! I liked putting Lucic on the top line to police, as the reffing was disuguating. Should have called that time out really early in the third, all us couch coaches could see it.

  68. Oil2Oilers says:

    Tabernac Saturday

    Coke machines tied to Ferrari’s

    Russian proverbs

  69. Dicky94 says:

    Ribs,

    Gravel even looked shocked that he was out there.

  70. rope-a-dope says:

    I don’t see how the 3rd is fully on Todd. I doubt the coaching message was telling the team to stop playing. Some of this is on the team. Also worth noting that EDM had their chances but faced some excellent stops by Rittich.

  71. Derek says:

    Cooper Marody played 3:15 tonight.

  72. JOFA says:

    FFS. Coach is a fucking genius😉

  73. commonfan29 says:

    HenryDrix: Should have called that time out really early in the third

    He needs to save that timeout for when he needs to draw up a 6 on 5 play that never ever works.

  74. Caller Zen says:

    If this heartbreak loss carries over into the game tomorrow vs. Vegas, (which it very well could) – it’s easy to see this is the beginning of the end for this coach.

  75. OmJo says:

    rope-a-dope:
    I don’t see how the 3rd is fully on Todd. I doubt the coaching message was telling the team to stop playing. Some of this is on the team. Also worth noting that EDM had their chances but faced some excellent stops by Rittich.

    It’s his job to call a timeout when the team comes out of the gate flat footed in the 3rd period.

    It’s his job to not handicap the best player in the world with Milan f’ckng Lucic on his LW because of Keith f’ckng Tkachuk.

    That little shit got the last laugh tonight.

  76. who says:

    This game is on the coach.
    Oilers lost their composure early and Tmac played right into the Flames hands.
    What is the point of loading up a line with McDavid and Drai, and then neutering it with Lucic. Sure run him out there for a shift or two to settle things down. But don’t leave him there the whole night. Especially when you are down 1.
    The defensive zone coverage was awful, but what would you expect with the constant line juggling? Marody was sitting because he looked lost in his own end, but so did a lot of other Oilers.
    Too bad, it was a very winnable game.

  77. texmex says:

    HenryDrix

    Was keeping it in the event of a coaches challenge I suspect. Imagine if he called a TO and the flames scored the winner on GI or interference

  78. HT Joe says:

    rope-a-dope: I don’t see how the 3rd is fully on Todd. I doubt the coaching message was telling the team to stop playing. Some of this is on the team. Also worth noting that EDM had their chances but faced some excellent stops by Rittich.
      (Quote)  (Reply)

    Haha coach Todd… your fake account isn’t fooling us.

    😉

  79. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Also: If I’m Leon Draiaitl tonight, I look at my body of work before Lucic joined the line, and recall that it included sending Tkchuck to the room for a period of time and some pretty heavy hockey. I wonder why the coach doesn’t think I can’t handle myself and take care of 97 while I am not feeding him sweet sauce.

  80. drglen says:

    Im putting this loss on the d.

    They were not up to the task in any phase

    We did not have the chops. Did not have the players

    This is a roster loss. Id have liked to see todd call a timeout and raise hell. I wish he had that in his toolbag. But we needef higher end d corps. This is on pc

  81. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    HenryDrix


    Was keeping it in the event of a coaches challenge I suspect. Imagine if he called a TO and the flames scored the winner on GI or interference

    I wouldn’t give him that much credit.

  82. frjohnk says:

    Flames dominated the 3rd. Contained McDavid really well.

    When an opposing team are throwing their best players against McDavid and McDavid can’t get anything done. It would be ideal to have somebody else on another line that can create something. Especially since they should be facing less competition.

    I do think Todd tried a few things as I did see Drai out with Chiasson and somebody else for a couple of shifts but they got nothing done.

    Sometimes it’s just not your night.

    Next game should be a beauty.

  83. HenryDrix says:

    rope-a-dope,

    Pretty sure the message after 2 was to stay out of the box. Oil stop hitting and skating and start coasting. Is that’s coaching? If so, inexcusable.

  84. HenryDrix says:

    texmex,
    Are you seriously defending the coach with that hypothetical?

  85. texmex says:

    If We lose tomorrow, we’re 30th in the league.

  86. OmJo says:

    frjohnk:
    Flames dominated the 3rd. Contained McDavid really well.

    When an opposing team are throwing their best players against McDavid and McDavid can’t get anything done. It would be ideal to have somebody else on another line that can create something. Especially since they should be facing less competition.

    I do think Todd tried a few things as I did see Drai out with Chiasson and somebody else for a couple of shifts but they got nothing done.

    Sometimes it’s just not your night.

    Next game should be a beauty.

    IIRC it was Draisaitl, Lucic and Chaisson late in the 3rd before the goalie pull, giving 97 a rest.

  87. texmex says:

    HenryDrix,

    Nope. But not sure a TO changes the outcome. Looch was still gonna play on the first line post TO and our D would still be below average post TO.

  88. silasbengtsson says:

    texmex:
    HenryDrix


    Was keeping it in the event of a coaches challenge I suspect. Imagine if he called a TO and the flames scored the winner on GI or interference

    On the one hand, you have your team floundering since the period started. An event that IS taking place and needs attention.

    On the other, you save it for the slim possibility that you need it at some point later in the game MORE than you do now.

    How many times has Todd challenged a play this year? Zero? One? So we’re talking a single digit chance that he’d need it later and that trumps using it to get ahead of an obvious momentum shift?

  89. BeerMe says:

    Lucic on the first line to “get a little meat in front of the net”

  90. itsaleaf says:

    Here’s the fix:

    Fire TMac and immediately call up.JP and put him with 97.

    Drai centers 2nd line.

  91. texmex says:

    silasbengtsson,

    See above. We have 3 top 6 cowards, 3 top 4 D.
    I’m not defending the coach. But a TO only stops the bleeding for 30 seconds

  92. unca miltie says:

    Caller Zen:
    If this heartbreak loss carries over into the game tomorrow vs. Vegas, (which it very well could) – it’s easy to see this is the beginning of the end for this coach.

    my bet would be that the Oil come out very flat tomorrow. this was an emotional game, will be no emotion tomorrow. I also think the reffing was very poor tonight. as far as Lucic is concerned I thought he made some good plays ,including a rush where he outskated the flames.

  93. OmJo says:

    Listening to the post game show, eagerly awaiting for when they accept some callers.

  94. HT Joe says:

    silasbengtsson:

    Good post. Agreed.

  95. OmJo says:

    Draisaitl sounds pissed.

  96. McSorley33 says:

    frjohnk,

    When an opposing teams throw out there best players to counter Mc David ……………
    we threw out Milan Lucic.

    Someone was playing checkers tonight, while another was playing chess.

  97. drglen says:

    Our weaknesses were exposed tonight

    This calgary team is good but we looked like an ahl squad for the third period

  98. HenryDrix says:

    texmex:
    HenryDrix,

    Nope. But not sure a TO changes the outcome. Looch was still gonna play on the first line post TO and our D would still be below average post TO.

    When your team comes out flat out flat in the third, up 2-1, in a huge game, gets hemmed in (no TO), scored on (no TO), hemmed in some more (no TO) and scored on again (still no TO), then hemmed in some more, then when the hell do you call a time out? But it’s good to know he could have challenged a call……

  99. unca miltie says:

    On another note, that is the most engaging game I have seen for years. The first half of the game was tremendous entertainment.

  100. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    OmJo:
    Draisaitl sounds pissed.

    Wonder how many sticks he snapped while in the dressing room…

  101. drglen says:

    So. Was spooner what we needed. ?

  102. OmJo says:

    OmJo:
    Listening to the post game show, eagerly awaiting for when they accept some callers.

    Lots of apologizing. Yuck.

  103. texmex says:

    HenryDrix,

    Were there no TV timeouts this game? I thought they happened every 5mins or so every period and much longer than 30 seconds? I’m guessing one occurred b/w the tying goal and GWG.

    All I’m saying is TO or not, they weren’t winning this game due to coaches decisions long before the GWG

  104. who says:

    drglen:
    So.Was spooner what we needed. ?

    Looks kinda like advertised. Faster than Strome, might produce a little more offense. But weak defensively. That was his man who scored the tying goal tonight. All Spooner had to do was tie up his stick.

  105. Ribs says:

    drglen:
    So.Was spooner what we needed. ?

    I wonder if instead of replacing Ryan Strome, Spooner replaces Pontus Aberg. Not sure that it’s a team need more than a team want, right now.

  106. Dixs35 says:

    This loss is on tmac. The game starts to open up and pick up the pace in the 3rd does the coach reshuffle the lines and take lucic and kassian off the top two lines nope. He rides it till the end and the oil lose although rittich was great early.

  107. oilersfan says:

    Spooner was minus 2 and wasn’t on for the empty netter…

    On for the tying and losing goal

    Chia and TMac are absolutely horrible

    Please fire them both.

  108. Melvis says:

    frjohnk:
    Flames dominated the 3rd. Contained McDavid really well.

    When an opposing team are throwing their best players against McDavid and McDavid can’t get anything done. It would be ideal to have somebody else on another line that can create something. Especially since they should be facing less competition.

    I do think Todd tried a few things as I did see Drai out with Chiasson and somebody else for a couple of shifts but they got nothing done.

    Sometimes it’s just not your night.

    Next game should be a beauty.

    Padre, something called divine acquiescence might be called for after a game like this, but there’s very little over the course of a lifetime more perplexing than this third period dross.

    And no amount of wisdom acquired over a lifetime to explain a desultory effort after the first two. Having witnessed many, it’s always been a mystery to me. And I’ve been up to the neck in the weeds on occasion. And still managed a comeback through it all.

    Blame the coach. Blame the team. Blame the GM. It’s all been said before. All too often.

    I’m not picking you out necessarily, but it seemed a good place for a confession;-)

    ——————————————————————————————————————

    My solution for the rest of the season.

    -detachment (emotional0

    -distraction (another big screen and a movie)

    -that gallery insallation I dreamed up in the shower the other day

    -music

    -a bit of the herb – sativa -medicinal only on nights like this.

    -Who, what, where, when, how -I’m more than curious. As to…

    -Why? I’ll leave that question up to extinct species. Largely unanswerable.

    Ok. Bring on VGK.

  109. Melvis says:

    Or I could have just stuck to stoicism. It’s trendy this year, isn’t it? I did pick 91 points. No sense in getting all whingy about it.

  110. hunter1909 says:

    Missed the game, thankfully. Too bad they beat Montreal. Sounds like this is the team, the way it is, and its going to be like this for the rest of the season, and presumably forever.

  111. hunter1909 says:

    McDavid eventually is leaving for a well run organization.

    Think about that.

    The question is, when?

    A betting man might go for 3-4 more seasons, tops.

    The next question is, how do they sell the Oilers when McDavid leaves?

  112. Ribs says:

    It’s dark in here. Someone turn on a light.

  113. Professor Q says:

    It seems things went the other way tonight, eh?

    I had a terrible headache post-work so just went to bed. Missed the game. It seems it has caused a bit of strife anyway.

    So, what will they do with Todd and Peter, indeed?

  114. v4ance says:

    Well… got home. Turned on the pvr and watched the game.

    McLellan is an idiot. Coached himself from a 2 goal lead into a two goal loss.

    He stacked his top line then once the fisticuffs started, he literally tied an anchor to the line to nullify any offensive ability it might have generated.

    When the strategy is load up ONE line and then saw off with the other three lines, that one line HAS to outscore the rest of the opponents for most of the 60 minute game. When you neuter the top line, then you’re just giving the other team all the momentum.

    Instead of trying to win on the scoreboard, he tried to win in the back alley. The Oilers did win the physical battle but the overall point is that you USE the intimitation to help you win the game!

    I told a friend who worked at the Saddledome to enjoy the game. I said if the Oilers lost 8-1, then maybe McLellan would get fired tomorrow. In some ways, this loss felt even worse because it felt like the coach gave away the game in search of vengence.

    I HATE Caggiula on the first line. But if it’s a choice between Caggiula or Lucic, I’ll grudgingly take Caggiula. But he still shouldn’t be on the first line. It’s like a choice of stupid or “set your pants on fire” insane. I’ll take stupid but maybe choose something other than two bad options?

  115. drglen says:

    Its morning. No. I didnt dream that loss. It was real. It happened

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    HenryDrix,

    Were there no TV timeouts this game? I thought they happened every 5mins or so every period and much longer than 30 seconds? I’m guessing one occurred b/w the tying goal and GWG.

    All I’m saying is TO or not, they weren’t winning this game due to coaches decisions long before the GWG

    There are 3 TV timeouts in each of the regulation periods. They happen:

    – first whistle after the 6 minute mark (less than 14 min left in period)
    – first whistle after the 10 minute mark (less than 10 min left in period)
    – first whistle after the 14 minute mark (less than 6 min left in period)

    If said first whistle is due to a goal or an icing, they TV TO will be delayed until the next whistle.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    v4ance:

    He stacked his top line then once the fisticuffs started, he literally tied an anchor to the line to nullify any offensive ability it might have generated.

    Not literally – figuratively.

  118. Wilde says:

    The Oilers should make a trade for an AHL centre if they’re keeping Marody up.

    and

    The Oilers should play Marody if they’re keeping Marody up.

  119. pts2pndr says:

    rope-a-dope:
    I don’t see how the 3rd is fully on Todd. I doubt the coaching message was telling the team to stop playing. Some of this is on the team. Also worth noting that EDM had their chances but faced some excellent stops by Rittich.

    The coach went into the dressing room after the second and chastised them for the late penalty and goal against. The team came out in the third playing tentative in the third because no one wanted to take a penalty! Coach continued to play lucic on the first line. A better option would have been Khaira for protection as he can skate and pass. For fear of taking a penalty and playing passive the Oil were dead men walking! Good coaching is something we do not have!

  120. frjohnk says:

    Marc Savard
    @MSavvy91
    Thinking out loud again Quenneville to Edmonton in the near future?

    Don’t usually see stuff like this on Twitter but wow.

    – on one hand I’d be surprised Todd gets punted right now. If it only took a losing streak to get him fired. They should have done that in the summer. Chia going to Katz saying “well, it wasn’t the assistant coaches, it was the head coach” a quarter of the way into the season probably doesn’t look good”

    -on the other hand, there have been rumblings of change. And if the Oilers are looking at a guy like Quenneville they may have to act quick.

    -does Quenneville want to coach right away? And would he come to Edmonton.

    I think the Oilers stay the course.

    But this is the Oilers.

  121. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Weirdest thing about the 3rd period is that when EDM defenders got the puck back (wasn’t often, but they did) they’d send it up the boards but the wingers weren’t in their spots.

    They were all cheating to the middle of the ice and weren’t in the right spot to continue the break out or at least dump the puck out.

    All of them were doing it. I wonder why?

  122. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk:
    Marc Savard
    @MSavvy91
    Thinking out loud again Quenneville to Edmonton in the near future?

    Don’t usually see stuff like this on Twitter but wow.

    – on one hand I’d be surprised Todd gets punted right now. If it only took a losing streak to get him fired. They should have done that in the summer. Chia going to Katz saying “well, it wasn’t the assistant coaches, it was the head coach” a quarter of the way into the season probably doesn’t look good”

    -on the other hand, there have been rumblings of change. And if the Oilers are looking at a guy like Quenneville they may have to act quick.

    -does Quenneville want to coach right away? And would he come to Edmonton.

    I think the Oilers stay the course.

    But this is the Oilers.

    I’m not sure Quennville is the right coach for EDM.

    He has a lot of the qualities that we dislike about McLellan.

    Stubborn, weird coaching decisions.

    If he doesn’t like a player their results don’t matter, they don’t play.

    I think this group doesn’t need another old school coach.

    Someone like Nelson who is all about relationships with players and a good tactician with set pieces for a variety of situations would be my choice.

    That’s one thing about McLellan I don’t understand.

    Every team runs set pieces on the PP and on face offs (losses and wins in every zone) and EDM doesn’t.

    It hurts them incrementally and that stuff really adds up over time.

  123. russ99 says:

    Hurts to lose to Calgary, especially that way.

    I get it, you don’t want your star payers getting attacked. But it’s not like they stopped playing after Lucic was on that line.

    If Lucic is such a boat anchor, how come none of the other lines scored either? Not like we didn’t have chances.

    Fact is we don’t have enough NHL talent and that’s on the GM. Could have been different but Pete had to bring back his ‘94s with raises and fill in with kids not ready for the show.

    Seems like every loss, and this is an especially tough one, it’s fire everyone and point the stick at favorite scapegoats. Let’s say McLellan is fired, who really can we get that makes a difference with this player group and the very obvious flaws in the roster a quarter into the season.

    Don’t get the fascination with Nelson, either, he was MacTavish’s puppet, and anyone who’s a good coach wouldn’t accept being a co-coach. This is the youngest roster in the league, the last thing we need is a players coach letting everyone do what they want. There’s a reason the rebuild lasted as long as it did, and the flaky coach switches were a big part of it.

    The play is to give this group the season, and when we don’t make the playoffs, which is up in the air, dump everyone, even Katz’s buddies in the front office and find someone new to take over who can build his own staff.

  124. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Weirdest thing about the 3rd period is that when EDM defenders got the puck back (wasn’t often, but they did) they’d send it up the boards but the wingers weren’t in their spots.

    They were all cheating to the middle of the ice and weren’t in the right spot to continue the break out or at least dump the puck out.

    All of them were doing it.I wonder why?

    & this was in concert with the Dmen repeatedly making the play up the wall, so –

    – every time a D got that puck, head down and smash it up the boards

    – every time there was no one home

    The team starts to play like this when they’re ahead, and it’s one of the reasons they were by far the worst team in league in terms of 5v5 GA/60 while leading last year.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m not sure Quennville is the right coach for EDM.
    He has a lot of the qualities that we dislike about McLellan.
    Stubborn, weird coaching decisions.
    If he doesn’t like a player their results don’t matter, they don’t play.
    I think this group doesn’t need another old school coach.

    Laviolette and Trotz are good coaches.

    In fairness to TMac, formerly he was considered a top flight coach, lol

  126. Wilde says:

    Wilde,

    Another check:

    The Edmonton Oilers, from 2016-17 to 2018-19 so far, have the 4th worst GA/60 while leading.

    If you just want to use the full seasons played, they’re the 2nd worst team over McLellan’s full seasons here combined.

  127. Wilde says:

    Wilde,

    And another check:

    Over Renney’s 11-12, Krueger’s 2013, and Dallas Eakin’s 2013-14…

    The Oilers were 17th (lowest) in the league for 5v5 goals against per 60 while leading.

    Which means:

    Todd McLellan’s Oilers teams throw the game 5v5 harder than several DoD 1.0 versions

  128. Wilde says:

    Wait, there’s more.

    From 2009-10 to 2011-12, where the team went a combined 84-132-30 and earned three first overall picks –

    The Oilers were the 9th (worst) team in the league in goals against per 60 5v5 while leading.

    Todd McLellan’s Oilers run, in this facet of the game, is easily the worst in the history of the Oilers where these stats are publicly available via NaturalStatTrick.com.

  129. Glovjuice says:

    drglen:
    Im putting this loss on the d.

    They were not up to the task in any phase

    We did not have the chops.Did not have the players

    This is a roster loss. Id have liked to see todd call a timeout and raise hell. I wish he had that in his toolbag. But we needef higher end d corps.This is on pc

    Benning is a 5.5-6 D. Period. If that, as the game has gotten quicker. Keep saying it and receive scorn every time.

  130. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99,

    I like Nelson based on his coaching history (HC and PP systems) and his reputation of the players liking him and buying in.

  131. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909: Laviolette and Trotz are good coaches.

    In fairness to TMac, formerly he was considered a top flight coach, lol

    I’m not sure those would be the right coaches for this group either.

    EDM is the youngest team in the league.

    I think they need a coach who fits “the cluster”

  132. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m not sure Quennville is the right coach for EDM.

    He has a lot of the qualities that we dislike about McLellan.

    Stubborn, weird coaching decisions.

    If he doesn’t like a player their results don’t matter, they don’t play.

    I think this group doesn’t need another old school coach.

    Someone like Nelson who is all about relationships with players and a good tactician with set pieces for a variety of situations would be my choice.

    That’s one thing about McLellan I don’t understand.

    Every team runs set pieces on the PP and on face offs (losses and wins in every zone) and EDM doesn’t.

    It hurts them incrementally and that stuff really adds up over time.

    The hiring order when this decision was made should have been:

    Babcock
    Nelson
    McLellan

    I’m not even sure the first 2 were on the list because of the way this org works.

  133. Ryan says:

    I don’t get all the fuss about firing the coach.

    You can fire McLellan, fine.

    You still will only have three top six forwards and three top four d.

  134. Wilde says:

    Ryan:
    I don’t get all the fuss about firing the coach.

    You can fire McLellan, fine.

    You still will only have three top six forwards and three top four d.

    He actively hurts the value of assets by not getting enough out of them, for starters.

    The other big thing: there are some prospects at the moment that can deliver a very good team if enough of them hit high enough, and you only get one shot.

  135. Sierra says:

    pts2pndr: The coach went into the dressing room after the second and chastised them for the late penalty and goal against. The team came out in the third playing tentative in the third because no one wanted to take a penalty! Coach continued to play lucic on the first line. A better option would have been Khaira for protection as he can skate and pass. For fear of taking a penalty and playing passive the Oil were dead men walking! Good coaching is something we do not have!

    I must have watched a different game and a different Khaira than those who are suggesting Khaira to the first line did.

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