A Trip to Forestall

His face-off percentage was in the ditch, the possession numbers a calamity and the shot share worthy of an investigation. I loved every minute of it. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins can forecheck like a demon and yesterday afternoon Ken Hitchcock decided to release the hounds. Edmonton didn’t win the game, but the coach and players created a template for those grinding teams like the Anaheim Ducks…..and the old timey Dallas Stars.

The team lost the game late, but showed they can in fact play a button-down style and gain points on the road. That’s going to be key, along with an airlift of players who are more capable of playing that kind of role. In the coming days, expect a recall of Jesse Puljujarvi (that isn’t news, everyone is saying it), a more prominent role for Jujhar Khaira, and more sequences where old men say “that Nugent-Hopkins fellow reminds me of Dave Keon.” Music!

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Third line suits the eye of new Oilers coach Ken Hitchcock.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Can Ken Hitchcock save Milan Lucic’s Oilers career?
  • Lowetide: A shot in the dark: What are the Oilers getting in Chris Wideman?
  • New Justin Bourne: Why switching coaches provides short-term benefits for an NHL team.
  • Lowetide: With not enough talent, and outside the playoffs, Todd McLellan’s Oilers career ends where it began.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Edmonton Oilers get their 2018-19 quarter pole report cards.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 22

  • Oilers in 20157-14-1, 15 points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in 2016: 12-8-2, 26 points; goal differential +10
  • Oilers in 2017: 8-12-2, 18 points; goal differential -14
  • Oilers in 2018: 10-10-2, 22 points; goal differential -9

The 2018 Oilers remain the second best McDavid team, but four points behind the north star. I don’t think you can ever complain about a point from the Ducks in Anaheim but that game was there for the Oilers. I do think we can credit Edmonton for playing hard and coming within a whisker of a massive win. So close, so close and yet so far.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 3-6-2, eight points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 4-6-1, nine points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2017: 4-6-1, nine points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in November 2018: 4-6-1, nine points; goal differential -7

November has been sweet hell four seasons running, beginning with Connor McDavid getting hurt November 3, 2015. Now, I’m going to talk a little bit here about strength of schedule before we hit the next segment. Edmonton should be able to post some positive results by the end of the month, maybe even ending at a point per game. It would be less than hoped but more than feared.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Washington, Tampa Bay, Florida  (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 1-3-0)
  • At home to: Colorado, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • At home to: Dallas, Los Angeles  (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 4-6-1, 9 points in 11 games

Edmonton has a chance to end this month with the first bit of momentum in all of November and it took a coaching change. Lots of upset fans about last night’s result, and you want to win that game for sure. Still, I’m impressed Hitchcock has been able to make this team more difficult to play against and more responsible in less than a week. The next step is more grindhouse players.

DEFENSE LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Russell were 14-5 in 14:07, rocking chair afternoon with most things going in a good direction. 10-2 shots, no goals, 2-0 HDSC. Were 7-1 in 5:21 with 97, meaning 7-6 without the captain. Part of the problem is passing, both men need to improve in this area. Went 10-3 in 6:27 against Rakell-Getzlaf-Kase.
  • Klefbom-Larsson went 21-18 in 21:07, 12-10 shots, 0-0 goals and 2-3 HDSC. Went 15-11 with McDavid, meaning 6-7 without. Faced Cogliano-Kesler-Sherwood 11-12 in eight minutes. Klefbom got on the wrong side of everything on the Ritchie goal, it was a melee after the puck came in from the blueline but the entire net front was wide open and Larsson was doing the heavy work right side before Getzlaf’s pass.
  • Gravel-Benning were 7-12 in 13:19, 2-4 shots, 0-3 HDSC and no goals. Gravel made several impressive defensive plays, he’s coming on now and solidifying his roster spot. Benning’s game is regressing to the point where things he’s good at naturally are no longer consistent. Sometimes a new coach’s arrival and change in philosophy will challenge specific players and make it difficult to adjust. Pairing was 3-1 with McDavid, 4-11 without him. Were 5-6 in 6:43 against the Getzlaf line.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 24 of 26, .923. Made some outstanding saves.
  • NaturalStattrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian were 11-4 in 10:52, 6-2 shots and 2-0 HDSC. The goal against came with Edmonton one skater short (empty net) and Brodziak had a fantastic chance to score to put the game out of reach. The line was solid at 5-on-5, up against Marcus Pettersson and Brandon Montour the trio went 7-3 in 6:22. Lots of anger about this line, can’t understand why. Edmonton had the puck miles from worry while at 5-on-5 and this group on the ice. Did we not just talk about Devereaux-Dowd-Laraque? Now, there’s no way they should be out there with one minute to go, but that’s not on the players.
  • Caggiula-McDavid-Draisaitl went 18-12 in 15:40, 9-6 shots, no goals, 1-1 HDSC. That’s a low number of high danger chances, the Ducks absolutely mauled McDavid without any hesitation. Brutal. As long as the Ducks get that kind of leeway, the Oilers are stuck. Went 21-13 against Manson-Larsson, 10-9 against the Kesler line. Leon was not sharp with his passes, the regulation goal starting with an errant needle threading. I don’t blame him on the OT goal, a line change left him chasing. You’d like him to catch it but that’s a penalty because it leaves the defending team at a disadvantage. Players can’t make those calls.
  • Khaira-Rattie went 6-6 in 6:39, with Cooper Marody (2-4 in 3:14) and McDavid (5-1 in 2:40). If the Oilers recall JP, Khaira probably moves to center. However, if 97 is going to double team, maybe the wingers on the fourth line are better off than Nuge’s wingers.
  • Spooner-Nuge-Chiasson are a strange brew, going 4-10 in 13:45 and that’s horrible. Don’t care. Nuge was outstanding on the forecheck and PK, and Chiasson also showed well. Spooner is trying, he had a backhand chance, but needs to start helping soon.

Edmonton needs some help on the No. 2 line. Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto are the available internal pieces not currently on the roster. The entire Oilers’ brass was in Ontario last night (it’s basically Los Angeles, the size of Saskatoon, but has the 15th largest airport in the USA) to watch the young talent, with an eye on Jesse. I would make the lines:

  • Drake Caggiula—Connor McDavid—Leon Draisaitl
  • Alex Chiasson—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Ryan Spooner—Jujhar Khaira—Ty Rattie
  • Milan Lucic—Kyle Brodziak—Zack Kassian

You can say it’s too soon to bring Puljujarvi back, but the absence of alternatives clears the mind. When Rieder gets back, Chiasson can return to RW on the No. 3 line.

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  1. Wilde says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Wilde,

    How about that time when Cagg’s stick was hooked into CMD parallel to the ice and was still stuck in his skates as they disentangled and tried to skate away from one another?

    Love the rage edits, looking forward to more.

    The most enraging part of the evening for me was the Ducks fans’ breaking out the “refs you suck” on three separate occasions for:

    i) a routine icing

    ii) a clear no-goal that they already got the benefit of the doubt on from an on-ice reversal (Ref initially signalled no-goal and then reversed it for no reason, making the review need conclusive evidence)

    iii) a cleaner backcheck delivered by Ryan Nugent-Hopkins than any centre on their team has done in a decade

  2. frjohnk says:

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    ‏Verified account @DNBsports
    2m2 minutes ago

    Lines at Oilers practice today:
    29-97-23
    91-93-39
    27-28-44
    52-16-98
    8 (rotating with fourth line)

    77-6
    25-4
    4-10
    5-83

  3. npanciroli says:

    I do like trying Spooner on top line but would drop Caggiula and play Puljujärvi top 6. Will probably get there though.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jack deleted that tweet but:

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer
    5m5 minutes ago
    More
    Spooner-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Caggiula-RNH-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Rattie/Russell-Khaira-Puljujarvi

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Gravel-Wideman
    Garrison-Benning

  5. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    If Hitch unleashes JP and he plays well; we can rest our case on TMac

    TMac’s record rests our case.

  6. drglen says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Spooner-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Caggiula-RNH-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Rattie/Russell-Khaira-Puljujarvi

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Gravel-Wideman
    Garrison-Benning

    That’s as per Stauffer

    interesting. Not completely what I was expecting….. unless………

    The secret plan is to doubleshift Connor on the 4th line with JP and Rattie.

  7. frjohnk says:

    frjohnk:
    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    ‏Verified account @DNBsports
    2m2 minutes ago

    Lines at Oilers practice today:
    29-97-23
    91-93-39
    27-28-44
    52-16-98
    8 (rotating with fourth line)

    77-6
    25-4
    4-10
    5-83

    Im guessing 4th line center does not see much ice. McDavid will be double shifted between the two wingers at times during the game. JP might not get much ice in this case, but he will get some ice with McDavid. This gives Hitch a look a JP to see what JP can bring and allows Hitch to help JP.

  8. VOR says:

    leadfarmer: Because it doesnt matter much if those players put90% Corsi or 50% Corsi.The result was going to be the same.Nothing was going to happen
    Its not math.Its a number you are using as an estimate of another number.Corsi does not equal possession.Corsi is an estimate of possession because we dont have possession numbers.IT IS NOT MATHIT IS AN ESTIMATE.Which is the opposite of what people call math.Thats why people have come up with other metrics to estimate this better
    FAcepalm

    It is Math. In modelling we call this a proxy variable. As an example of a proxy variable consider tree rings. The number of tree rings tell us the age of the tree and for that it is a direct measure. But the size of each ring is an indirect or proxy measure of the environmental conditions that occurred over the life of the tree.

    If I am building a model of future weather (winning hockey) I might use tree ring sizes (Corsi events) as a variable in my algorithms.

    We are about to have tracking numbers to tell us who has possession (where and for how long). That isn’t to say Corsi events won’t still be useful. They will be one of several measures of what is being accomplished with those periods of possession.

  9. Melvis says:

    Sierra,

    In which case the Todd presser could have sounded something like this:

    ‘We talked to him, and we showed him, and we took him through the paces and he hasn’t absorbed it yet. Give it a bit of time.”

  10. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis:
    Hockey in Nashville looks like a lot of fun. Chances are, I’ll get there before I get to Rogers Place.

    Peter Laviolette, a 53 yr old spring chicken, suffered one losing season out of 16 in the show. His winning record in Nashwville over four previous seasons – .545.

    Ken Hitchcock suffered 4 losing seasons out of 22 in the show – three in Columbus – when he was a spring chicken in his late fifties.

    As a fat old white man and dusty relic to boot, his winning record over6 seasons in St.Louis was .650

    Nashville is a riot.

    Been twice and its a gong show from the word go.

    Would love to be there with you and meet everyone you know there.

    And watch hockey.

  11. McSorley33 says:

    Bling,

    Well said.

    I love the hiring of Hitch. Wanted Todd removed.

    But we have to call out stupid wherever and whomever tries to sell it.

    Can’t take your timeouts with you to heaven and RNH was sitting on the bench.

    Same goes for Drai. If we are going to call out other players for poor effort, shoddy D, Drai
    Fully earned accolades from the last game.

  12. flyfish1168 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Absolutely. Maybe Seattle, LA, Anaheim. Whatever people think he’s a proven NHL head coach and they don’t grow on trees. Vigneault can find jobs. Torts despite the crazy.

    Odd Crawford can’t.

    I am in the camp that hopes he coaches again. I wonder if he will change his strategies a little

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: Because it doesnt matter much if those players put90% Corsi or 50% Corsi.The result was going to be the same.Nothing was going to happen
    Its not math.Its a number you are using as an estimate of another number.Corsi does not equal possession.Corsi is an estimate of possession because we dont have possession numbers.IT IS NOT MATHIT IS AN ESTIMATE.Which is the opposite of what people call math.Thats why people have come up with other metrics to estimate this better
    FAcepalm

    It’s not an estimate.

    All shot attempts come from the NHL game sheets.

    Actual things that actually happen.

    I’m surprised that you don’t know this.

  14. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Did Hitch run over your dog or sell you a pair of skates that were too expensive and didn’t fit?

    I had a long rebuttal, but what’s the point. Whatever man. You’re being kind of a douche to people today. Somebody run over your dog?

    Maybe set your filters from ‘Dross’ to ‘Less condescending’.

    And eat a goddam Snickers.

  15. workaroundaccount says:

    Drai and CMD do have flaws defensively, but if they had nhl quality linemates, we wouldn’t be having these conversations. Imagine if the Russian Captain was still here. Hell even Yak looked like a player with Horcoff’s defensive help.

  16. Wilde says:

    Caggiula killed a ton of plays last night, damn.

  17. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    ??? I don’t think you read my post. Of course I know that shots data comes from nhl score cards. What do we do with shot data? Convert it to possession data that we don’t have. That’s why stats people want chips on the pucks and on all the players. So we can get actual possession data

  18. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ryan: Not that I’m aware of.

    I can understand why Mclellan didn’t take it quietly.

    If you were the GM of the Oilers. Hired me to coach. Turned the roster into what we currently have then fired me.

    I wouldn’t take it quietly either. I’d let you have it too.

    I’m not a Tmac fan at all, but he was gifted the greatest player in the game with maybe the worst supporting cast. I think you can argue the roster today is worse than the roster he started with. He’s the author of his own demise by overplaying trusted vets who produced nothing, but I can see how he would be pissed.

  19. leadfarmer says:

    So Hitch is going to fix JP.
    On the 4th line.
    With some occasional Mcdavid double shifts
    Alrighty then

  20. Bag of Pucks says:

    VOR: It is Math. In modelling we call this a proxy variable. As an example of a proxy variable consider tree rings. The number of tree rings tell us the age of the tree and for that it is a direct measure. But the size of each ring is an indirect or proxy measure of the environmental conditions that occurred over the life of the tree.

    If I am building a model of future weather (winning hockey) I might use tree ring sizes (Corsi events) as a variable in my algorithms.

    We are about to have tracking numbers to tell us who has possession (where and for how long). That isn’t to say Corsi events won’t still be useful. They will be one of several measures of what is being accomplished with those periods of possession.

    I love it when analytics are explained this way. Very easy to visualize. Well done.

  21. Sierra says:

    Melvis:
    Sierra,

    In which case the Todd presser could have sounded something like this:

    ‘We talked to him, and we showed him, and we took him through the paces and he hasn’t absorbed it yet. Give it a bit of time.”

    Yes, but that’s not Todd. He’s not a good interview. I think you are really reaching, perhaps even trying to see what you want to see, with “talking” doesn’t include talking in video room and talking during practice.

  22. leadfarmer says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Yeah I would be. Sure he was gifted best player in the game
    But only 3 top 6 forwards.
    2 maybe 3 top 4 D
    Two meh goalies

    He could have done better. But the real fault lies with the guy that still has a job. Those roster holes are real and they are spectacular

  23. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    ack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack3m3 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers practice in LA:

    Spooner-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Caggiula-RNH-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Khaira-P. Russell-Puljujarvi

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-K. Russell
    Gravel-Wideman
    Garrison-Benning

    So russel draws in. And rattie takes the night off

  24. drglen says:

    leadfarmer:
    So Hitch is going to fix JP.
    On the 4th line.
    With some occasional Mcdavid double shifts
    Alrighty then

    Kind of a conservative start. I tjought tbey put with nuge. Unless he really teally really plans to double shift connor

  25. silasbengtsson says:

    Not stoked about Puljujarvi’s placement in the lineup but I’ll reserve judgement on Hitch’s plans until I see more. It’s entirely reasonable to start a young guy on a 4th line so long as its accompanied by PP time (if Chiasson weren’t succeeding, I’d give Jesse net front on PP1) and deployment of said line is congruent with getting him “going”.

  26. JOFA says:

    4th line better not be the plan. Leave him in California if that’s the case.

  27. drglen says:

    Or. Hes playing possum. Faking the other coach out. Then puts jp with nuge 2nd shift

    Unlikely .. Maybe hitch will explain tbe logic. Hes been pretty forthcoming so far

  28. Professor Q says:

    They’re simply practice lines, in the first call up practice.

    Things can and likely will change between now and game time tomorrow, and beyond.

  29. JOFA says:

    I’m comfortable calling no playoffs for our beloved Oilers. I would love to be wrong.
    #cleanhouse

  30. JOFA says:

    Professor Q:
    They’re simply practice lines, in the first call up practice.

    Things can and likely will change between now and game time tomorrow, and beyond.

    100% agree and hope you’re right. I just don’t remember a time when 97, 93, and , 29 practice on the so called 4th line.

  31. Pescador says:

    Professor Q:
    They’re simply practice lines, in the first call up practice.

    Things can and likely will change between now and game time tomorrow, and beyond.

    Nope, these are the lines tomorrow & forever,
    Ohh the humanity

  32. leadfarmer says:

    VOR: It is Math. In modelling we call this a proxy variable. As an example of a proxy variable consider tree rings. The number of tree rings tell us the age of the tree and for that it is a direct measure. But the size of each ring is an indirect or proxy measure of the environmental conditions that occurred over the life of the tree.

    If I am building a model of future weather (winning hockey) I might use tree ring sizes (Corsi events) as a variable in my algorithms.

    We are about to have tracking numbers to tell us who has possession (where and for how long). That isn’t to say Corsi events won’t still be useful. They will be one of several measures of what is being accomplished with those periods of possession.

    The way he was describing “math” is something that you can’t argue. Exact math. Like 5+5 is 10. Something precise you can’t argue. Like 25 shots on goal and 2 goals scored. Modeling is imprecise math that is a best guess. Like carbon dating something 30000 years old. There’s a pretty big +/- attached to that.
    I think when we have individual player shot models and shot percentages and real possession numbers, no one is going to care much about the current Corsi. Giving Ovechkin a one timer from his office will never equal a Milan Lucic shot from the slot

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    ack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack3m3 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers practice in LA:

    Spooner-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Caggiula-RNH-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Khaira-P. Russell-Puljujarvi

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-K. Russell
    Gravel-Wideman
    Garrison-Benning

    Well it didn’t take long for JP to work his way down to the fourth line. He’s so much better off playing first line in the AHL.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Actually, there is one benefit of that type of line deployment.

    When McDavid double shifts on that fourth line which has been happening quite a bit throughout each game, it’ll be Rattie/McDavid/Jesse and that line is likely away from the top defence pairing/line.

    This may be a good way to get Jesse some top unit time without the pressure or the tough match-ups.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack
    10m10 minutes ago
    More
    Hitchcock on Puljujarvi: “I wanted responsibility for his development. I didn’t just want to be watching him play in AHL. I feel this is type of player we need to win in the Western Confernce. I asked Peter if he’d bring him up for practice today.”

    Talbot starts tomorrow.

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    It was Hitchcock who asked Chiarelli to bring Puljujarvi up. “The talk was to have him play tonight (for Bakersfield). I asked Peter if we could get him here to practice instead,” Hitchcock said.

    The above is a tweet by Mark Spector

  37. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965: Well it didn’t take long for JP to work his way down to the fourth line. He’s so much better off playing first line in the AHL.

    He’s much better off working with a Hall of Fame coach so he can figure out how to play in the NHL imo.

  38. JOFA says:

    Talbot definitely didn’t earn the start, but I guess it’s better to play him against a bad team. Hopefully a win will give him some confidence.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    HugThePost:

    Also, there are the comments Jesse made to Finnish media about how he had to work on learning english on his own and he realized his english had to improve after his first year here.Can you imagine entering a new job in a different country with a language that is not your spoken one and your boss does nothing to help you acclimatize but at the same time expects top level results?

    The Oilers did help him with his English and, from accounts, the Oilers kept him in Edmonton, as opposed to sending him to Bakersfield, in part, to keep him close and help him with the transition.

    Not to mention, Jesse Puljujarvi was making a salary of $832,500 while on the Oilers (plus a $92,500 signing bonus) – he had considerable ability financially to pursue the ample public resources on his own.

  40. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack10m10 minutes ago
    More
    Hitchcock on Puljujarvi: “I wanted responsibility for his development. I didn’t just want to be watching him play in AHL. I feel this is type of player we need to win in the Western Confernce. I asked Peter if he’d bring him up for practice today.”

    Talbot starts tomorrow.

    Translation: Puljujarvi only on the practice squad,
    That’s it,
    Where’s the Rye?

  41. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack10m10 minutes ago
    More
    Hitchcock on Puljujarvi: “I wanted responsibility for his development. I didn’t just want to be watching him play in AHL. I feel this is type of player we need to win in the Western Confernce. I asked Peter if he’d bring him up for practice today.”

    Talbot starts tomorrow.

    Wow there you go

    Does this sound like a behaviorist overlord? No

  42. drglen says:

    Pescador,

    No no no. Translation we need this guy and i can help him

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    After his two goals yesterday, Maksimov follows up with 8 minutes in minor penalties – some tripping in there, a bit of roughing and some unsportsmanlike thrown in for good measure.

  44. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    After his two goals yesterday, Maksimov follows up with 8 minutes in minor penalties – some tripping in there, a bit of roughing and some unsportsmanlike thrown in for good measure.

    I think I am going to like this player.

  45. npanciroli says:

    Hitch is awesome. I also agree with him.

  46. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis:
    JP’s problems have nothing to do with inherent skill sets – or coaching for that matter. He’s a 20 yr old toting around a 16 yr old brain.

    Those who enjoy teenagers under the same roof could employ a bit of empathy in this regard.

    Here’s a take – imho.

    I got called up to the show from a 40 below January in Saskatoon at the age of 20.In February, I was having lunch outdoors at the Polo Lounge (the Beverly Hills Hotel) going over the bullet points contract riders with a William Morris super agent and one of the first national super concert promoters preceeding Live Nation.

    To suggest I was overawed by the environment, whilst masking the fact that I didn’t know my ass from a hole in the ground would have been the understatement of that year.

    Take it into consideration when making your judgement calls, because this dusty old relic knows absolutely nothing about being in the room and how that shit operates.

    Best post in the thread

  47. Bag of Pucks says:

    Powder blues on HNIC. Beautiful.

  48. Rebillled says:

    Not too jazzed Talbot gets the start but let’s hope he bring his ‘I’m playing for a contract 2016’ game.

    Hopefully The Finnish Wall not hurt.

    If Big Pizza scores a goal next game the old coach bashing will be in full effect.

  49. Melvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Everybody I knew there got old. Now they’re pushing up the daisies.

  50. Glovjuice says:

    who:
    Don’t understand all this talk about JP getting recalled. He was lost up here when they sent him down.
    Did he suddenly find his game after 4 games in the AHL? I don’t think so. For God’s sakes, leave him in Bakersfield until the new year and let him gain some traction and confidence.
    Recalling him now would be just another bounce of the yo-yo.

    He wasn’t lost. The coach was lost and hence lost Puli.

  51. godot10 says:

    smellyglove:

    By the way, Ryan’s brother Dylan, whom everyone here preached would become a hockey god, is also having a shitty year. ~14 minutes a game and about 6 points total in Arizona.

    Not everyone. Some of us said #JustSayNoah to Dylan Strome #TeamHanifin.

    Our blog host was pumping the #midgetmitchmarner

    The McDavid lottery ruined my hashtag.

  52. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Sierra: You honestly believe they didn’t show Jesse what they were talking about, both in practice and in the film room?I don’t.

    We have another player saying that McLellan never talked to him about what to do or why he was playing or not playing.

    You can’t assume he was good at his job.

    His results show the opposite.

  53. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    smellyglove,

    By the way, Ryan’s brother Dylan, whom everyone here preached would become a hockey god

    That’s not even close to being true.

    When everyone thought EDM was picking around 3rd there was some debate (I liked Hanafin, as did others), but I do not recall, ever, anyone saying “hockey god” in the same breath as Strome.

    That’s incredibly wrong.

  54. Pescador says:

    Rebillled:
    Not too jazzed Talbot gets the start but let’s hope he bring his ‘I’m playing for a contract 2016’ game.

    Hopefully The Finnish Wall not hurt.

    If Big Pizza scores a goal next game the old coach bashing will be in full effect.

    Big Pizza
    jus beautiful poetry
    *sniff*

  55. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ryan Nugent Hopkins was rested.He should be the primary option.

    Also, Hitch had his TO so, essentially, he had all 23 players available.

    Strategy is easy to second guess. Time outmay just as well benefit opposition.

    Based on eye and numbers, Brodziak call was not bad per se, they proved excellent all game, they just did not get the bounce, Ducks did.

    I believe this was completely different. Looking backwards to previous games the individuals on this line generally had poor games and it would be hard to defend having them out. This game they were strong, the hot hand, which was played unsuccessfully. INuge would have been a good call but somehow I’m not convinced it turns out different.

  56. Glovjuice says:

    who: Have you watched 83 lately? He’s looking bad at 3RD, never mind 2RD.
    Why would you take 5 out of the lineup?
    77 6
    254
    5 10

    Lately ? LATELY ? it’s been a LONG time. The league is too fast now for him.

  57. godot10 says:

    flyfish1168:
    I wonder If TMac will coach again.

    Depends a lot on what Hitchcock does with this roster.

  58. Pescador says:

    drglen:
    Pescador,

    No no no.Translation we need this guy and i can help him

    Yes of course, I can read & comprehend
    As always,
    I was kidding

  59. Ribs says:

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1066482587453911040

    He’s ready. lol.

    I hope Hitch has some patience with this kid. He’ll need it.

    JP reminds me so much of Jagr in some ways. A kid in a supersized man-body. Jagr loved to score goals. Hopefully JP has a similar infatuation.

  60. godot10 says:

    Sierra: You honestly believe they didn’t show Jesse what they were talking about, both in practice and in the film room?I don’t.

    They didn’t get Jesse an English teacher until the middle of his 2nd year.

    More likely they were trying to fix too many things at once instead of one or two things at a time. I think they were also trying to mold the player into something that he isn’t…trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

  61. Derek says:

    Ribs:
    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1066482587453911040

    He’s ready. lol.

    I hope Hitch has some patience with this kid. He’ll need it.

    JP reminds me so much of Jagr in some ways. A kid in a supersized man-body. Jagr loved to score goals. Hopefully JP has a similar infatuation.

    This guy spends more time with his tongue hanging out his mouth than my dog does.

  62. drglen says:

    Pescador,

    Dah. Sorry

  63. drglen says:

    Ribs:
    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1066482587453911040

    He’s ready. lol.

    I hope Hitch has some patience with this kid. He’ll need it.

    JP reminds me so much of Jagr in some ways. A kid in a supersized man-body. Jagr loved to score goals. Hopefully JP has a similar infatuation.

    He reminds me of pète mahovlich

  64. godot10 says:

    drglen: interesting.Not completely what I was expecting….. unless………

    The secret plan is to doubleshift Connoron the 4th line with JP and Rattie.

    The (not-so-)secret plan is to double shift Connor between Khaira and Puljujarvi. Do some A/B testing.
    A (Player X, McDavid, Draisaitl) or B (Khaira, McDavid, Puljujarvi).

    When B becomes better than A, slide Draisaitl down to line 2 with Rieder and Nugent-Hopkins.

  65. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: “Jag’s” ?

    Jag offs
    Nuge has jag offs for wingers

  66. tileguy says:

    Poor Rattie, that injury cost him big time. Went from first line to alternating on the 4th. He wa never really given a chance to get his mojo back. I would like to go back to the original pre season plan of Drai, Rieder and Jp as the second line, Nuge 97 and Rattie as #1.

  67. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    JP on being recalled and his impressions of Hitch so far:
    Source:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWxwxcy6lTQ

    Q: Have you felt your game has grown at all? I know Peter Chiarelli was thinking you would gain confidence in Bakersfield, he thinks you’ve done that. Do you think you’ve done that?
    A: Yeah, I’ve done that. Woody, coach, helped me there. I get good ice time and I’ve played very well. Yup.

    Q: How has your game has grown since you’ve been there the last four games?
    A: I think I get more confidence, and get more puck and play strong.

    Q: And what do you think about having a new head coach for the Oilers now, working with Ken Hitchcock?
    A: Think that it change things and hopefully that’s good for team.

    Q: How was the practice today?
    A: Was hard.

    Q: Has Ken Hitchcock said anything to you? Did he talk to you at all before practice?
    A: He said, we’re gonna have a forecheck line and we’re get good momentum at the game.

  68. Zelepukin says:

    godot10: The (not-so-)secret plan is to double shift Connor between Khaira and Puljujarvi.Do some A/B testing.
    A (Player X, McDavid, Draisaitl) or B (Khaira, McDavid, Puljujarvi).

    When B becomes better than A, slide Draisaitl down to line 2 with Rieder and Nugent-Hopkins.

    And this goes back to Hitch’s comment about being impressed with McD’s ability to recover quickly. If this works, it’s going to be a very ‘duh’ moment. A fast, big, skilled line in a less-skilled match-up? Could be beautiful.

  69. godot10 says:

    digger50: Strategy is easy to second guess. Time outmay just as well benefit opposition.

    Based on eye and numbers, Brodziak call was not bad per se, they proved excellent all game, they just did not get the bounce, Ducks did.

    I believe this was completely different. Looking backwards to previous games the individuals on this line generally had poor games and it would be hard to defend having them out. This game they were strong, the hot hand, which was played unsuccessfully. INuge would have been a good call but somehow I’m not convinced it turns out different.

    The lesson may be that line may be suitable for even strength play, but perhaps not for extra man situations like 6 on 5 or 5 on 4.

  70. Glovjuice says:

    knighttown:
    Can I rant for a second?

    One mans journey as a sports fan.

    In my youth I was probably evenly a hockey and NFL fan (CFL doesn’t exist…literally or figurestely out here in NS). Loved the oilers of course and my Niners. Third would have been baseball and then basketball.

    In my 30’s my Oilers addiction really took hold and it became “watch every game and then dissect it online”. I’ve followed LT and RiversQ and Vic and Dennis since early on in the hfBoards days. With work and eventually kids something had to give and I essentially became a one sport fan. I did and do play fantasy baseball so I followed it but didn’t watch any games. No NFL and no NBA. With the NFL making bad press about 10 years ago and the concussion story starting, I felt justified in my decision.

    Obviously 2006 was the pinnacle and I went to Detroit for Series 1 and then out to Edmonton for the finals. I always liked the draft stuff but became a fanatic during the fall for Hall so in some ways, I enjoyed the decade of darkness, or at least the early parts of it.

    But in the last few playoffs, with no Oilers, I’ve sat down to watch NHL playoff games and am kind of bored.With nothing at stake I just found the product itself leaving me wanting. With Sirius XM, I was hearing about this young team of shooters in Golden State so I’d flick over to their games during adds.

    As with most hyped things I expected to be disappointed but there’s Stef going off for 35 and Klay doing it the next night. Incredible passing and teamwork…nothing like the ISO ball I thought the sport was. The point was, I was promised stars doing special things so I tuned in and you know what? I didn’t turn it off. Because over on CBC i was watching LA and Minnesota and it just wasn’t much fun.

    And in the last two years I’d been hearing about genius NFL coaches (besides Bill) like this Sean McVey and what he was doing with the Rams. Weapons all over the field. Aggressive play calling. Rule changes to let the receivers get open followed by more changes, roundly hated, to protect the quarterbacks. And it obviously wast just LA. Records were and are being changed almost weekly.

    Flash forward to this year and hearing chatter on Steven A about this Maholmes kid being considered a potential HOFer after only 4 games so I started to tune in. Saw him slinging passes from all angles and even a left handed throw for a first down. They hype train promised stars doing star things and boy did it deliver.

    On Monday night it was Maholmes and Jarred Goff and Tyreke Hill and even Aaron Donald on the defensive side. Stars being promised and stars delivering.

    So can you imagine a young Knighttown growing up in LA. He’s a sports fan in general. Reads sports illustrated and watches Sportscenter. He’s heard about a Connor McDavid who some consider to be the most talented hockey player of all time. Hype to matched Maholmes and Stef. He begs his dad to take him to the game and see for himself what the hype is all about.

    And he gets Oilers and Ducks. He gets an epic chess match between two old fat white dudes. He gets 110 dump ins, most followed by line changes. And most of all he sees this #97 in white but every time he sees him he’s got at least one player in black harassing him and that’s when he doesn’t have the puck.

    The home team does tie it but he doesn’t really understand what the Ritchie kid did that was so special. The goal seemed rather random. It looked like 100 other nothing plays and looked nothing like a beautifully executed pick and roll from Harden or a perfectly choreographed seam route to Travis Kelce.

    Did this experience move the needle?

    Whatever. Basketball sucks. Can’t stand it. Baseball is awesome but SO different from the randomness of hockey. Football – no flow – so much stoppage. Whatever, man

  71. Pescador says:

    drglen:
    Pescador,

    Dah.Sorry

    All good, sarcasm doesn’t translate very well on this medium
    but She’s all I got:
    🎵”I’m askin you friieeeenndd”🎵

  72. drglen says:

    Derek: This guy spends more time with his tongue hanging out his mouth than my dog does.

    Well. Youre not wrong

  73. Derek says:

    drglen: Well. Youre not wrong

    I hope that didn’t sound too judgemental. I love Yessa and my dog. I just wish Yessa would be a bit more of an asshole on the ice and my dog would be a bit less of an asshole at the park.

  74. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jujhar Khaira may be moving up the depth chart due to lack of a 3C option with the Strome trade but, to my eye, not on merit.He was quite poor yesterday to my eye. He has had nice games this year but has regressed, in particular with consistency, we simply don’t know what Khaira is going to show up from game to game.

    I’m not sure he’s ready for 3C, however, options are limited.

    Spooner perhaps?

    If Jesse is recalled (hopefully not quite yet), I suggest McDavid, Drai and Nuge all playing center – we haven’t had that yet this year.

    Khaira has been aweful all year. No hockey IQ. Brain cramp central. Costing himself probably at least 3-7 million. Needs to be ultra focused very soon.

  75. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack10m10 minutes ago
    More
    Hitchcock on Puljujarvi: “I wanted responsibility for his development. I didn’t just want to be watching him play in AHL. I feel this is type of player we need to win in the Western Confernce. I asked Peter if he’d bring him up for practice today.”

    Talbot starts tomorrow.

    Wow!! Gotta hand it to Hitch. He’s saying all the right things. Now that’s a bold statement. Go Hitch!!

  76. Professor Q says:

    godot10: They didn’t get Jesse an English teacher until the middle of his 2nd year.

    More likely they were trying to fix too many things at once instead of one or two things at a time.I think they were also trying to mold the player into something that he isn’t…trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

    There really isn’t any substantial evidence for this. I believe he has actually said that he did have a tutor, but didn’t get into dedicated classes until later. It’s disingenuous to suggest they maliciously held him back, or had more incompetence (they have enough already).

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lots of good stuff from Hitch on what he thinks he can do with Jesse, what he can teach him and how he can make him better quickly:

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1066485942167293952

  78. drglen says:

    Derek: I hope that didn’t sound too judgemental.I love Yessa and my dog.I just wish Yessa would be a bit more of an asshole on the ice and my dog would be a bit less of an asshole at the park.

    Its true looks like a big happy dog out there. Its endearing. Agree lets see less irish setter and more wolfhound

  79. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Ya just heard abit of a radio clip on that. Like to see a transcript. Domething about less glide. More hunt

  80. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Professor Q,

    I believe there was some detail lost in translation around these events.

    From my understanding, there’s a difference between teacher and tutor in Finland that’s not the same as it is here. In year one, he had what amounted to casual instruction and it wasn’t until sometime in year two he received formal instruction.

  81. Ryan says:

    Glovjuice: Whatever. Basketball sucks. Can’tstand it. Baseball is awesome but SO different from the randomness of hockey. Football – no flow – so much stoppage. Whatever, man

    I am remiss that I didn’t join the fun here sooner. I came onboard back in and around 2009. At that time, there were a litany of posters who were wicked smart. The culture at the time was such that they’d either tear you to shreads or more likely flat out ignore you altogether if your post wasn’t stimulating or clever. I knew of several people who’d follow Lowetide blog for months before nervously making their first post.

    I largely missed out on the Vic Ferrari days. I remember him occasionally stopping by with a link to some time on ice site (updates) that I never really paid much attention to. I recall looking at it once or twice with shift chart data, but it wasn’t user friendly.

    I had connected with a fellow named Timo Seppa from Puck Prospectus. At the time, Timo like many were trying to create a mathematical model for holistic player ratings. IIRC, Timo’s Model was called ESTR which stood for even strength total rating.

    I recall bouncing this model off of Dellow, who quickly tore it to shreads. All the same, I was thrilled to engage and get his opinion.

    Ah the old days. Nostalgia…

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50: Strategy is easy to second guess. Time outmay just as well benefit opposition.

    Based on eye and numbers, Brodziak call was not bad per se, they proved excellent all game, they just did not get the bounce, Ducks did.

    I believe this was completely different. Looking backwards to previous games the individuals on this line generally had poor games and it would be hard to defend having them out. This game they were strong, the hot hand, which was played unsuccessfully. INuge would have been a good call but somehow I’m not convinced it turns out different.

    This is not second guessing – this was something I had an issue with at the beginning of the shift a minute before they were scored on.

    Sorry, but I would prefer a rest Ryan Nugent Hopkins out there over any of those three players in the last minute protecting a one goal lead. It wasn’t just a “bad bounce” where they got scored on – they were hemmed in their own zone for a very long time. I’m sure there were dozens of little plays made and not made in that long possession before the goal the contributed to the zone time and the goal but Lucic and Kassian have a track record of being very poor in that type of situation and it led to a goal against.

    The coaching decision did not work – that was the result and, personally, I had issue with it well before the goal was scored.

    Oh well.

  83. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: While I agree that some additional time in Bakersfield is prudent, stick to the initial plan, I will say that PPG in one’s 20 year old season in the AHL is very good.Recall, if he was drafted out of the CHL, this would be the first year he would be eligible for the AHL. He was actually eligible for the World Juniors, earlier this year.

    Also, from watching, his points don’t do his game justice – he has been one of the best, if not the best, Condor in each game.

    Also, maybe Hitch won’t “eat him alive” – maybe Hitch will coach him and develop him – as he did with many good young players in Dallas.

    With that said, keep him down for a while longer until forced to recall.

    OP, exactly right again you are. This IS an NHL player. This Lowetide community groupthink is outrageous for such a smart group. Lemmings.

  84. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ryan Nugent Hopkins was rested.He should be the primary option.

    Also, Hitch had his TO so, essentially, he had all 23 players available.

    Essentially is the wrong word. Effectively is better there.

  85. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: Your assumptions regarding Hitch’s treatment of Jesse don’t line up at all with his development of young and talented players in his coaching career.

    Align is much better than line up at all

  86. Pescador says:

    Professor Q: There really isn’t any substantial evidence for this. I believe he has actually said that he did have a tutor, but didn’t get into dedicated classes until later. It’s disingenuous to suggest they maliciously held him back, or had more incompetence (they have enough already).

    Disingenuous10

  87. smellyglove says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I should clarify that folks here were pumping baby Strome’s tires post-draft, as in last year, perhaps the year before.

  88. Glovjuice says:

    leadfarmer:
    I still don’t get why we traded Strome.We’re going to make our bottom 2 lines do nothing.Sounds like we had the perfect guy for doing nothing.Spooner is going to be in Hitches doghouse so quick we’re going to be buying him out this offseason

    I have the same worry. Terrible trade. We will proven right.

  89. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: They didn’t get Jesse an English teacher until the middle of his 2nd year.

    More likely they were trying to fix too many things at once instead of one or two things at a time.I think they were also trying to mold the player into something that he isn’t…trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

    I don’t think this is true at all. They didn’t get him a full-time accredited teacher until the second year. He had a tutor from the start.

  90. drglen says:

    For the fellow that went to the anaheim game after watching the rams game.

    Its true imo 90 percent of the time nhl hockey is s frustrating séquence of broken up plays and scrums. I think they should make the rink wider

    I follow the oilers on radio and it seems more exciting

    Nba basketball on tv is something i really enjoy though

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLeod and Safin held off the score-sheet today, however, Rodrigue stopped 35 of 36 in a 7-1 win – the shutout was broken with less than 3 minutes to go.

  92. Lowetide says:

    Glovjuice: OP, exactly right again you are. This IS an NHL player. This Lowetide community groupthink is outrageous for such a smart group. Lemmings.

    Meh. I doubt very much the actual percentage of people who think JP should stay in Bakersfield is anywhere close to 60 percent. I’m fine with him coming back up, would hope he gets a center who can help him within a couple of weeks. I have zero doubt (and expressed above) Pulju is one of the most talented wingers on the roster.

  93. godot10 says:

    The NFL and NBA mainly show only marquee matchups is prime and/or national TV slots. There a lots of awful NFL and NBA games. Why do you think NFL Redzone is so popular…it cuts out all the not worth watching stuff.

    I agree that the NHL needs to showcase their stars more, and that should start with actually enforcing the existing rulebook.

  94. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I’ve read this as well.

  95. Glovjuice says:

    Lowetide: I think, and do not know nor would I want to imply same, that part of the ‘job’ in regard to Puljujarvi is selling him to the team as someone who can help. Certainly no one has replaced his talent since he left, now it’s up to these Oilers to lift him up now so he can lift them up later.

    There’s no one else with his skill set in the organization, and he is surely one of the four best offensive wingers on this team.

    If he is on of the top four offensive wingers (“surely” as you put it) AND he hasn’t really bled goals then it’s an obvious recal isn’t it?

  96. drglen says:

    Lowetide,

    And no trade is forthcoming for external scoring rw. The reasons for that are not entirely clear. So a number of factors bring him up. Most notably a sage coach wjo has basically pledgef to suipport him. This is new

  97. Lowetide says:

    Glovjuice: There’s no one else with his skill set in the organization, and he is surely one of the

    Puljujarvi scored 12 goals a year ago in what was not close to a full season. Based on that alone he’s a better option than some of these cats.

  98. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    drglen,

    Making the rink wider or changing the nets is one of the most asinine ideas out there to increase offence, IMO (and not directed specifically at you; my comment more due to noticing you opine this a few times recently). Change the board, you change the game; you go from Risk to Axis and Allies, from Scrabble to Words with Friends. Indeed, IIHF hockey has a different feel, a distinct brand of game play than the NHL.

    The first fix, already underway, includes standardizing goalie equipment to something resembling reasonable. When I toured the HHOF I was stunned by the goalie equipment in the period correct Habs dressing room they have on exhibit. No way Ryan Miller needs to wear Koskinen’s pads. Granted, goalies barely wore masks and barely had leather padding back then so it is good to see equipment keep pace with technology. To a point.

    Following the reduction of comically large goalie equipment, they simply need to call the rule book as is already written. The amount of obstruction (or worse) Connor faces on a nightly basis is unjustifiable on the part of the league. Downright pathetic, really.

  99. frjohnk says:

    Laine had a terrible start but is now the hottest player in the league.
    19 goals on the season.
    5 goals tonight.

  100. Richard S.S. says:

    Jesse Puljujarvi will been just fine. Hitchcock knows how to get Players going.

  101. frjohnk says:

    And looks like some guy won a $1M because of Laine.

  102. flyfish1168 says:

    Patrick Laine 5 shots 5 goals tonight.

  103. Professor Q says:

    frjohnk:
    Laine had a terrible start but is now the hottest player in the league.
    19 goals on the season.
    5 goals tonight.

    Don’t count McDavid out so soon.

  104. frjohnk says:

    Professor Q: Don’t count McDavid out so soon.

    Never count out McDavid.

    Even if Laine has scored 11 goals in the last 10 periods.

  105. drglen says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Out of the box idea. But i dont think its anew one. Your point i think is that it would radically change the game so it was no longer an nhl brand game ? I think uou are right in that point. The game as we know ut would be complètely altered. I thi k. Actually it eould be less north south snd more latéral with more passing.

    Good points on the equipment and rules

    Consider one thing though. 3 x 3. A crazy idea but man we love it now.

    Its not dificult to imagine a better game with more space

    What holds it back i think. Is the revenue loss from those front fre rows of seats

  106. Pescador says:

    drglen:

    nhl hockey is s frustrating they should make the rink wider

    Wider ice will just lead to scrums further from the net as there is only 1 puck.
    The solution?
    2 Pucks

  107. John Chambers says:

    flyfish1168:
    Patrick Laine 5 shots 5 goals tonight.

    Someone will win the Million-Dollar Safeway Score and Win!

  108. hunter1909 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey: The amount of obstruction (or worse) Connor faces on a nightly basis is unjustifiable on the part of the league.

    Put yourself in the opposition’s mindset. McDavid makes your best players look terrible, ridiculous even on a regular basis and you’re playing a game that you play with a stick.

  109. drglen says:

    Pescador,

    You know id like to see that in practice

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    flyfish1168: I am in the camp that hopes he coaches again. I wonder if he will change his strategies a little

    Of course he will, as everybody with a job at a high level, that can stay in the industry they are in, does.

    Or connections. It’s a very closed group. With lots of money at stake. When you think of the revenue from a playoff series, pretend you are the owner. 4 and out is still several million dollars in the owner’s account.

    I’d like to bank several million dollars above budget, in profit, in my business.

  111. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    drglen,

    3×3 OT was a symptom of the number of shootouts deciding the game. Another example of the league being Bettman’d.

    More space will lead to more clogging tactics by coaches trying to play mistake free hockey.

    I, for one, prefer north-south hockey. That’s exciting. East-west is not.

  112. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    hunter1909: Put yourself in the opposition’s mindset. McDavid makes your best players look terrible, ridiculous even on a regular basis and you’re playing a game that you play with a stick.

    If we never got called for it, I’d advocate doing so ourselves. Take any, and every, advantage available.

  113. Professor Q says:

    frjohnk: Never count out McDavid.

    Even if Laine has scored 11 goals in the last 10 periods.

    Hey, absolutely! Laine is awesome and that really is ridiculous.

    I’m just sensing a 5+ point game for our captain soon. 😉

  114. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: Never count out McDavid.

    Even if Laine has scored 11 goals in the last 10 periods.

    Laine has an unstoppable shot if he gets his spot. Like Ovi.

    If someone checks him close he has no answer to it. He’s one dimensional and that is why at draft it was said JP in 5 years post might be the better player. A more broad game.

    I have no idea why teams don’t game plan for not letting Laine get his space to shoot.

    Connor has such a broad game he can get around whatever the opponent tries. In one game that might not happen.

    In a series of games with a smrt coach it can.

  115. Side says:

    godot10: They didn’t get Jesse an English teacher until the middle of his 2nd year.

    More likely they were trying to fix too many things at once instead of one or two things at a time.I think they were also trying to mold the player into something that he isn’t…trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

    Why is this still a thing? Jesse had an english tutor, before he even came to the Oilers and he had a tutor with the Oilers. Jesse struggled so they got him a teacher as well.

  116. drglen says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Respectfully disagree. Skill players would shine and game takes a more i stinctive organic flow. The vertical v lateral aspects would not be obvious because there would be more motion and. Continuity.

    Why do you think thrink there would be more scrums and obstruction? There would be more escapes i think

  117. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack10m10 minutes ago
    More
    Hitchcock on Puljujarvi: “I wanted responsibility for his development. I didn’t just want to be watching him play in AHL. I feel this is type of player we need to win in the Western Confernce. I asked Peter if he’d bring him up for practice today.”

    Talbot starts tomorrow.

    This quote really irks me. He’s the new coach and deserves a clean slate in hopes of the new coach bounce, but how is this any different than Chiarelli and MacTavish’s years long disdain of using the AHL as a developmental league? Not to mention Hitch’s long history of having difficulty with young European players.

    The brass is looking at pitchforks and torches from the fan base, so let’s use the new guy as the messenger.

  118. Pescador says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Laine has an unstoppable shot if he gets his spot. Like Ovi.

    If someone checks him close he has no answer to it. He’s one dimensional and that is why at draft it was said JP in 5 years post might be the better player. A more broad game.

    I have no idea why teams don’t game plan for not letting Laine get his space to shoot.

    Connor has such a broad game he can get around whatever the opponent tries. In one game that might not happen.

    In a series of games with a smrt coach it can.

    If the Jets were to trade Laine in exchange for Puljujarvi
    I would swim naked with electric eels

  119. Pescador says:

    drglen:
    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    What holds it back i think. Is the revenue loss from those front fre rows of seats

    Not to mention the cost of renovating the existing

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto starts the game with Joe G. and Brad Malone.

    I assume Marody is back to centering Benson and Hebig.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Guelph lost 8-2 – Samorukov was -4 (did have four shots though),

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    Malone, Marody, Hebig, Jones, Benson on PP1.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Logan Day, not Ethan Bear, comes out for PP2.

    Bear and Day have kind of split the PP2 duties when Bear has been in the lineup.

  124. drglen says:

    Laine. When a guy is so “in the zone” like that. Makes you wonder if something was différent. Diet. Sleep magnesium levels. H2 water. Organic mango smoothie.

    Venus in line with triton.

  125. drglen says:

    Pescador: If the Jets were to trade Laine in exchange for Puljujarvi
    I would swim naked with electric eels

    Hey i know charlie huddy pretty well. Ill see if we can swing that

  126. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Logan Day, not Ethan Bear, comes out for PP2.

    Bear and Day have kind of split the PP2 duties when Bear has been in the lineup.

    Sounds like the bear train has left the station

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Side: Why is this still a thing? Jesse had an english tutor, before he even came to the Oilers and he had a tutor with the Oilers. Jesse struggled so they got him a teacher as well.

    I just watched Jesse’s interview Pre-Raw on the Oilers Site.

    He is still struggling mightily with language. He has to concentrate hard to hear, brow furrowed, and his verbal response is not up to the level as many people are after several years in a foreign to them country.

    Not everyone has the ability to pick it up quickly. He doesn’t IMO. His native language is a unique beast which complicates things more. Remember Tikannese? Nobody understood that.

    Finding a way to help him through that, until he is comfortable no matter what it takes, would pay huge dividends to the team and him. Hire Selanne to billet him. Not Tikkanen because he speaks neither language like Chretien.

    If TS wants to get cold again.

    We talk about confidence, not easily understanding people or being able to speak clearly back would be a huge confidence killer for me.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Wider ice will just lead to scrums further from the net as there is only 1 puck.
    The solution?
    2 Pucks

    The thought that the wider ice (Olympic/European ice) leads to more offence is a giant myth and 100% factually incorrect. The wider ice surface stifles offence as everything can be pushed even farther from the net.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    Caleb Jones lets an opponent sneak in behind him on the PK and he gets a one one with the goalie but no goal. Jones needs to be a bit more aware of make sure that puck doesn’t get behind him. Lessons learned!

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Marody has touched and carried the puck more in the first 7 minutes tonight than his entire time on the NHL club in his most recent recall.

    Montoya lets one sneak through and the Condors are down 1-0.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen:
    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Respectfully disagree.Skill players would shine and game takes a more i stinctive organic flow.The vertical v lateral aspects would not be obvious because there would be more motion and. Continuity.

    Why do you think thrink there would be more scrums and obstruction?There would be more escapes i think

    If you are referring to the big ice allowing skill players to shine more then I have to respectfully mention that this has time and time and time again proven to be false. The big ice has stifled offence for decades – this has been seen at international tournaments and in the lower scoring European leagues.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Marody is, once again, proving to be an exceptional player at the AHL level.

    This guy has an NHL career ahead of him but it might just not be as a center unless he can improve his skating.

  133. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar: The thought that the wider ice (Olympic/European ice) leads to more offence is a giant myth and 100% factually incorrect.The wider ice surface stifles offence as everything can be pushed even farther from the net.

    100 percrnt factsbased on what ? 4 nhl exhibition games?

    I seem to recall though those olympic games. And now that you mention it we did tend to see almost a zone perimeter defense. And then 3 guys coverge on tbe attacker when he tries to penetrate to the net.

    Hmmm.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: This quote really irks me. He’s the new coach and deserves a clean slate in hopes of the new coach bounce, but how is this any different than Chiarelli and MacTavish’s years long disdain of using the AHL as a developmental league? Not to mention Hitch’s long history of having difficulty with young European players.

    The brass is looking at pitchforks and torches from the fan base, so let’s use the new guy as the messenger.

    Zubov, Lehtinen, Handzus, Tarasenko, just off the top of my head, European players with great success under Hitchcock – your statement seems incorrect.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Now Bear, not Day, starts on PP2.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen:
    OriginalPouzar,

    100 percrnt factsbased on what ?4 nhl exhibition games?

    I seem to recall though those olympic games. And now that you mention it we did tend to see almost a zone perimeter defense. And then 3 guys coverge on tbe attacker when he tries to penetrate to the net.

    Hmmm.

    Based zero on the NHL exhibition games in Europe and based on decades and decades of games being played on the big ice, internationally and in the European leagues.

  137. Wilde says:

    russ99: Hitch’s long history of having difficulty with young European players

    who’re you referring to here?

  138. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar: Based zero on the NHL exhibition games in Europe and based on decades and decades of games being played on the big ice, internationally and in the European leagues.

    So would it be fair to say that the larger surfsce leads to more conservative play?

    Perimeter play. Control slow build up wait for mistake. Like a soccer model?

    Just trying to understand why it failed to be exciting and skill showcasing. Does the smaller surgace force more risk taking ?

  139. Bank Shot says:

    drglen: So would it be fair to say that the larger surfsce leads to more conservative play?

    Perimeter play. Control slow build up wait for mistake. Like a soccer model?

    Just trying to understand why it failed to be exciting and skill showcasing.Does the smaller surgace force more risk taking ?

    The smaller surface results in more mistakes. Everything happens faster, so guys have less time to make plays which leads to more turnovers. Mistakes lead to offensive chances.

    On the small surface if you beat a guy out of the corner its like 3 strides into scoring position. More on the big ice.

    The prime scoring area on a goalie is still the same size no matter how big the entire ice surface.

  140. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Puljujarvi scored a goal yesterday but looking at the replay what wasn’t mentioned was that it was his incredible pass that set up the shot whose rebound he finished.

    Hitch read him dead to rights mentioning his little plays in the O Zone. He has issues but he naturally turns the puck the right way and makes plays to free up opportunities for line mates.

    He’s not far off being a dominant player even if not a high scoring player.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Montoya gives up two quick ones early in the 2nd and is pulled at 3-0 and then Starrett gives up another quick one and the Condors have a bunch of work to do down 4-0.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen: So would it be fair to say that the larger surfsce leads to more conservative play?

    Perimeter play. Control slow build up wait for mistake. Like a soccer model?

    Just trying to understand why it failed to be exciting and skill showcasing.Does the smaller surgace force more risk taking ?

    I don’t watch enough European hockey to answer that first question definitively but, no, I don’t really think its conservative offensive systems as much as it makes structured defensive systems more effective.

    With the surface being so wide, defensive systems can be structured to push the play to the outside which is materially farther from the net than smaller ice surfaces.

    Recall numerous examples over the years of much lesser skilled teams (think Latvia, Germany, Belarus) playing low scoring and close games with powerhouse nations – happens all the time – the ice surface leads to the ability to play stifling defensive systems.

  143. drglen says:

    Bank Shot: The smaller surface results in more mistakes. Everything happens faster, so guys have less time to make plays which leads to more turnovers. Mistakes lead to offensive chances.

    On the small surface if you beat a guy out of the corner its like 3 strides into scoring position. More on the big ice.

    The prime scoring area on a goalie is still the same size no matter how big the entire ice surface.

    Thays very interesting to me. Not what i expected.

  144. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t watch enough European hockey to answer that first question definitively but, no, I don’t really think its conservative offensive systems as much as it makes structured defensive systems more effective.

    With the surface being so wide, defensive systems can be structured to push the play to the outside which is materially farther from the net than smaller ice surfaces.

    Recall numerous examples over the years of much lesser skilled teams (think Latvia, Germany, Belarus) playing low scoring and close games with powerhouse nations – happens all the time – the ice surface leads to the ability to play stifling defensive systems.

    This makes sense. And that is what would happen. Then youd look at nba type rules preventing certain defenses or restricting time “in the paint’ which would wreck the game entirely. Interesting

    So. 2 pucks then

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    Down 5-0, Bear and Jones on the PP together – don’t think I’ve seen that before this year.

  146. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: The thought that the wider ice (Olympic/European ice) leads to more offence is a giant myth and 100% factually incorrect.The wider ice surface stifles offence as everything can be pushed even farther from the net.

    Yes yes, I am well aware of this,
    You have responded to my post by addressing a subject that has nothing to do with what I’m proposing.
    You do this quite often, is it a lawyer thing, or an O.P. thing?

    Also,
    what about the 2 pucks idea that I just invented?

  147. Pescador says:

    drglen: This makes sense.

    So. 2 pucks then

    I think it’s catching on

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto sets up Joe G. to give the Condors some life.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Yes yes, I am well aware of this,
    You have responded to my post by addressing a subject that has nothing to do with what I’m proposing.
    You do this quite often, is it a lawyer thing, or an O.P. thing?

    Also,
    what about the 2 pucks idea that I just invented?

    I responded to a point implying that larger ice = more offence – I disagree so I responded.

    I don’t respond to silly suggestions.

  150. drglen says:

    Nice goal by luff for la

  151. Ribs says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    smellyglove,

    By the way, Ryan’s brother Dylan, whom everyone here preached would become a hockey god

    That’s not even close to being true.

    When everyone thought EDM was picking around 3rd there was some debate (I liked Hanafin, as did others), but I do not recall, ever, anyone saying “hockey god” in the same breath as Strome.

    That’s incredibly wrong.

    I love that you respond to this stuff, lol. I can feel your blood pressure climbing with every post.

    On second thought, that probably isn’t a good thing. Stop it!

    I do wonder where the disconnect is. Do people confuse things they read on twitter or elsewhere with the comments here? Or do they not skim over the off the wall random comments that sporadically get posted here? I fear the answer is “People just like to say stuff”, but I hope that isn’t it.

  152. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Marody is, once again, proving to be an exceptional player at the AHL level.

    This guy has an NHL career ahead of him but it might just not be as a center unless he can improve his skating.

    I predict no NHL career like Lander. At his age – no chance to materially improve skating now.

  153. drglen says:

    Glovjuice: I predict no NHL career like Lander.At his age – no chance to materially improve skating now.

    There does seem to be a pattern of not trusting the guy to compete. Im not sure thats justified.

    I was going to suggest he could be a good player pn an expansion team. But. Expansion teams are all second line. Players now

  154. drglen says:

    You know. The toronto maple leafs are starting to bug me

    Something about those guys. Too much celebrating or something

    Love the raptors

  155. silasbengtsson says:

    Ribs,
    Probably the same problem as everywhere else in the world.

    A significant majority of people can’t stand not being right/visible so much so that they’ll strawman other people’s ideas and thoughts without care for nuance. By making others look more wrong, they assume they’ll look more right and- unfortunately- that seems to work on those uninitiated in the world of reasonable discourse.

    My least favourite part of most hockey forums is the prevalence of this brand of intellectually flaccid fuckery.

  156. Reja says:

    silasbengtsson:
    Ribs,
    Probably the same problem as everywhere else in the world.

    A significant majority of people can’t stand not being right/visible so much so that they’ll strawman other people’s ideas and thoughts without care for nuance. By making others look more wrong, they assume they’ll look more right and- unfortunately- that seems to work on those uninitiated in the world of reasonable discourse.

    My least favourite part of most hockey forums is the prevalence of this brand of intellectually flaccid fuckery.

    Truer Words Were Never Spoken.

  157. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: The thought that the wider ice (Olympic/European ice) leads to more offence is a giant myth and 100% factually incorrect.The wider ice surface stifles offence as everything can be pushed even farther from the net.

    Sorry, we have heard opinions. There has never been any factual information that I know of but would be interested if it’s out there.

    I’m for larger ice surface.

    As the game continues to get faster, players larger and more skilled it is only logical they need more room or they are just running into each other.

    3×3 or 4×4 is all the evidence needed.

    Factually, only one thing stopping larger ice surface and that is money. Maybe net lost due to less seats. I’m certain we will get there one day.

    Edit: ha, wish I read the rest of the thread first! I’m late to the party.

    Still, I see Connor type players doing much better with more room. And I like to see more possession rather than this ping pong game we get sometimes just turning the puck over back and forth.

  158. Ribs says:

    silasbengtsson:
    Ribs,
    Probably the same problem as everywhere else in the world.

    A significant majority of people can’t stand not being right/visible so much so that they’ll strawman other people’s ideas and thoughts without care for nuance. By making others look more wrong, they assume they’ll look more right and- unfortunately- that seems to work on those uninitiated in the world of reasonable discourse.

    My least favourite part of most hockey forums is the prevalence of this brand of intellectually flaccid fuckery.

    Reja: Truer Words Were Never Spoken.

    Lurking has it’s perks, that is certain 🙂

    I appreciate and applaud WG and others efforts to limit the silliness. This place polices itself in some ways, and that is a great thing (especially for a hockey guy).

  159. Gerta Rauss says:

    the last bit of the Hitch presser today on Chris Wideman:

    …we need to make him part of the group ,so, we’ll probably put him in tomorrow too

  160. Ribs says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    the last bit of the Hitch presser today on Chris Wideman:

    …we need to make him part of the group ,so, we’ll probably put him in tomorrow too

    Edit: I Read this as Spooner for some reason…

    Too bad they made the trade before Hitch came onboard. Strome looked like a much more useful player (and one that could use some tough love). I won’t be surprised if Spooner gets ten games and then we never hear of him again. Not many positives from him so far.

  161. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ribs,

    Spooner’s been as vanilla as Strome, but it’s early, and I saw the first signs of life from Spooner in the ANA game with a couple of rushes (not much, I’ll concede)

    I have a hard time getting worked up about the loss of Strome. I didn’t think he was worth the $3.1M we gave him and would have rather taken a modest pick for him at the draft and taken the cap space

  162. Ribs says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Ribs,

    Spooner’s been as vanilla as Strome, but it’s early, and I saw the first signs of life from Spooner in the ANA game with a couple of rushes (not much, I’ll concede)

    I have a hard time getting worked up about the loss of Strome. I didn’t think he was worth the $3.1M we gave him and would have rather taken a modest pick for him at the draft and taken the cap space

    That’s in line with what I see. Vanilla for Vanilla. Strome has more potential, but didn’t move the needle. Now we have Spooner, who doesn’t appear to know that the needle exists. *sigh*

    As for Wideman, I hear a collective “Mehhh” from anyone I’ve paid attention to. Not expecting much at this point.

  163. Reja says:

    Ribs: That’s in line with what I see. Vanilla for Vanilla. Strome has more potential, but didn’t move the needle. Now we have Spooner, who doesn’t appear to know that the needle exists. *sigh*

    As for Wideman, I hear a collective “Mehhh” from anyone I’ve paid attention to. Not expecting much at this point.

    Spooner came within inches against Calgary of pulling a Gretzky and scoring directly off the faceoff. He had a few good chances against the California teams as well the man has some talent. I think hitch will give him a fair shake and see what he’s got.

  164. Ribs says:

    Reja,

    I’ll give him a fair shake, too.

    At this point it tops out at 10 games for me 🙂 .

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: I predict no NHL career like Lander.At his age – no chance to materially improve skating now.

    He’s currently 21.

    His skating likely doesn’t need to improve materially to be a winger in the NHL but likely needs to improve to be a center.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50: Sorry, we have heard opinions. There has never been any factual information that I know of but would be interested if it’s out there.

    I’m for larger ice surface.

    As the game continues to get faster, players larger and more skilled it is only logical they need more room or they are just running into each other.

    3×3 or 4×4 is all the evidence needed.

    Factually, only one thing stopping larger ice surface and that is money. Maybe net lost due to less seats. I’m certain we will get there one day.

    Edit: ha, wish I read the rest of the thread first! I’m late to the party.

    Still, I see Connor type players doing much better with more room. And I like to see more possession rather than this ping pong game we get sometimes just turning the puck over back and forth.

    The facts are the decades of play on the big ice that show it doesn’t lead to higher offence.

    McDavid has played on the bigger ice at the World Championships and, no, he wasn’t able to use the bigger ice to his advantage even with his speed. Yes, he was still awesome but no more awesome than on the normal NHL ice surface.

  167. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: The facts are the decades of play on the big ice that show it doesn’t lead to higher offence.

    McDavid has played on the bigger ice at the World Championships and, no, he wasn’t able to use the bigger ice to his advantage even with his speed.Yes, he was still awesome but no more awesome than on the normal NHL ice surface.

    I believe the answer lies in between the sizes. As do many hockey professionals, even ones you wouldn’t imagine would. Or at least different imaginings of sizing than most are used to.

    Less injuries and more offence. More bang for your buck.

  168. Professor Q says:

    Have to love going to TSN online to listen to some 1260, and the first article being,

    “Rakell lifts Ducks over Oilers in OT: What happened in Oilers collapse?”

    Just seemed an odd spin to me.

  169. texmex says:

    LA – worst team in the league, just lost to Vancouver ending their 8 game losing streak and playing the second of B2B games against the oilers tonight.

    This game terrifies me.

  170. Mannificent says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Making the rink larger won’t help much because you still have to go to the net and score on the same size net. There aren’t higher scores in any league with large rinks.
    Making the net larger is not asinine, though, because goalies used to be 5”9’, while now we have 6”7’ Goalies with as you said, “Comically oversized equipment”.
    We are never going back to 5”9’ Goalies so the net has to change. It used to be that the best wingers in the league could occasionally score while flying down the wing and taking a slapshot just after crossing the blue line, such as Lafleur, Hull, Bossy, Kurri, etc. A goalie now would be embarrassed If he let in a goal like that.
    As a result, all coaching is now focussed on defence since now you can sit on one goal lead. This is what has to change to improve the excitement of the game.
    I suggest 6”3’ by 4”2’ nets – you won’t even see the difference, from the seats, but it would dramatically increase scoring and change coaching towards offence – all better for the game.
    Just my opinion.

  171. tollen77 says:

    Pescador,

    Works with my son’s TimBits practice!

  172. Glovjuice says:

    Mannificent:
    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Making the rink larger won’t help much because you still have to go to the net and score on the same size net. There aren’t higher scores in any league with large rinks.
    Making the net larger is not asinine, though, because goalies used to be 5”9’,while now we have 6”7’ Goalies with as you said, “Comically oversized equipment”.
    We are never going back to 5”9’ Goalies so the net has to change. It used to be that the best wingers in the league could occasionally score while flying down the wing and taking a slapshot just after crossing the blue line, such as Lafleur, Hull, Bossy, Kurri, etc.A goalie now would be embarrassed If he let in a goal like that.
    As a result, all coaching is now focussed on defence since now you can sit on one goal lead.This is what has to change to improve the excitement of the game.
    I suggest 6”3’ by 4”2’ nets – you won’t even see the difference, from the seats, but it would dramatically increase scoring and change coaching towards offence – all better for the game.
    Just my opinion.

    How does bigger nets increase scoring chances, though?

  173. workaroundaccount says:

    Glovjuice: How does bigger nets increase scoring chances, though?

    Can’t play a collapsing style when perimeter shots are a legitimate threat.

  174. LMHF#1 says:

    Glovjuice: I predict no NHL career like Lander.At his age – no chance to materially improve skating now.

    Having both coached powerskating and worked with good power skating coaches – it is completely reasonable improve technique and power at most any point save for already amazing technical skaters.

  175. Mannificent says:

    workaroundaccount,

    Yes, that would help. It would initially lower the goal save % – they never used to be at .930+, I dont why it should be now. The NHL needs to get some balance between offence and defence being the way to win a hockey game. It is all defence right now, as you can see from most playoff games – which is incredibly boring.
    The NFL, NBA and MLB have all taken measures to improve offence, it makes the game more entertaining. The NHL is like the dinasaur league – they don’t get it.

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