Helpless

by Lowetide

The Oilers cheated on old Hoss last night, they came out with one of those glazed starts we’ve come to accept during the Wander Years. I expect the coach will have something for the group in the coming days, some “Effort for Dummies” slides and “Why Trains Run On Time” power-point presentations. Hitchcock doesn’t support porridge efforts, and he sure as hell won’t like last night’s video.  The team is 1-3-1 against the Pacific, the general manager’s vision on display in California and not looking like a winner. This is where Hitchcock’s “I can help you” may become something like “maybe you need less ice time and more reflection” and that’s when the sweat starts running down all the cracks God gave you. It’s time for Hitchcock’s Oilers to get to work.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi to the show, plus the sudden impact of Cam Hebig and Joel Persson.
  • New Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Third line suits the eye of new Oilers coach Ken Hitchcock.
  • Jonathan Willis: Can Ken Hitchcock save Milan Lucic’s Oilers career?
  • Lowetide: A shot in the dark: What are the Oilers getting in Chris Wideman?
  • New Justin Bourne: Why switching coaches provides short-term benefits for an NHL team.
  • Lowetide: With not enough talent, and outside the playoffs, Todd McLellan’s Oilers career ends where it began.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Edmonton Oilers get their 2018-19 quarter pole report cards.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 23

  • Oilers in 20157-14-2, 16 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2016: 12-9-2, 26 points; goal differential +9
  • Oilers in 2017: 8-13-2, 18 points; goal differential -16
  • Oilers in 2018: 10-11-2, 22 points; goal differential -12

Oilers finished 1-1-1 on the California trip, that’s close to expectation (I had reasonable at 2-1-0) but still disappointing after the promise of the victory in San Jose. The issue for Edmonton now is running with the pack, they can’t lose sight of the No. 3 spot in the Pacific Division. Currently, the team is three points behind Anaheim, with two games in hand. It isn’t fatal but the disappointment of November is palpable this morning in Oilers Nation.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-6-2, 10 points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-6-1, 11 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2017: 5-6-1, 11 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in November 2018: 4-7-1, nine points; goal differential -10

As bad as previous Novembers have been, this one might be the worst since 2014 (that was the Dubnyk in Toronto, Nail in the Washington press box fall, team going 2-9-3). There’s a beautiful Neil Young song called “Helpless”, wonderful lyric and a haunting melody, with steel guitar (it’s actually lead with pedal, thanks Stephen Stills) that can make you weep given the right circumstance (3am, Crown Royal). That’s kind of where the fans are this morning, the men from town having frigged the rigging in broad daylight.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Washington, Tampa Bay, Florida  (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 1-3-0)
  • At home to: Colorado, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • At home to: Dallas, Los Angeles  (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 4-7-1, 9 points in 12 games

It’s difficult to see this season heading in a familiar direction, but the alternative is damned dangerous. Any fool can see the cracks and holes, but the team is at their outer marker on the cap and franchises that might trade a player of value for an expensive Oiler in return (plus the first-round pick) aren’t there yet, they haven’t made that decision at this time. Hell, Edmonton might be that team to trade players for picks in a month from now. Are you ready for ‘Sail on, Alex Chiasson’?

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson were 22-16 in 14:28, 14-8 shots, 1-1 goals and 4-2 HDSC. Larsson can’t make that mistake, he just can’t do it. Honestly, I’m a big fan of the player, and there were other errors, but at that point in the game, you simply cannot allow the other team’s best forward a clear chance like that one. Shameful. Were 10-8 in 7:19 against Iafollo-Kopitar-Brown, and Brown should have gotten an extra penalty late when he tried to re-set Klefbom’s face on the PK. A poor night for Edmonton’s best defensemen. Went 10-6 McDavid, 12-10 without.
  • Gravel-Wideman went 9-13 in 7:37, 4-5 shots and 1-3 HDSC. Were 4-3 with 97, so 5-10 without. Were 1-8 against Wagner-Kempe-Luff. Matt Benning probably looks a sight better to most Oilers fans this morning, I’d guess. Defense is a tough position to play, especially with skates on.
  • Nurse-Russell were 9-17 in 11:36, 5-7 shots and 3-7 HDSC. Went 6-5 with McDavid, 3-12 without and that’s a concern. Nurse was 0-1 goals but that was Wideman’s mistake at the blueline, Nurse waving his lantern at a runaway train for Brown’s first goal of the game.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 24 of 27, .889. I’m not sure he can be blamed, but they needed one more, unfair perhaps considering his stellar play early in the game.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Spooner-McDavid-Draisaitl went 17-11 in 11:13, 8-5 shots, 0-1 goals and 5-3 HDSC. McDavid played with 10 forwards last night, everyone but Nuge, as Hitchcock worked tirelessly to find clean air. I know you’re probably mad at Hitchcock this morning, he isn’t Jesus and he isn’t even the Beatles, but he’s a smart man who knows a lot about NHL hockey. I’m hoping you give him a chance to find things that rhyme. Went 16-8 against Doughty-Forbort. McDavid asked questions patiently last night, suspect these losses are having an impact.
  • Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian were once again the second best line, going 11-15 in 9:30, 7-7 shots, no goals and 3-3 HDSC. If one of those crazy pucks had gone in we’d be having a different conversation. Went 6-4 in five minutes against Phaneuf-Ladue. I thought Kassian had some jump in this game, hope he keeps going. Everyone is made at this line, but not me. Lucic is badly overpaid but has found his role on the team and is pursuing it with abandon.
  • Rattie-Khaira-Puljujarvi were 3-3 in 3:37 (it was really just JJ and JP), with Rattie-JP going 1-7. Rattie and JP were 1-4 with Nuge. Khaira and Pulju took penalties. Marko Dano was on waivers the other day, Oilers didn’t take him and that’s fine, he’s certainly not Superman. Could he help here? I think he might.
  • Caggiula-Nuge-Chiasson went 8-14 in 9:01, 6-7 shots, 1-1 goals and 1-5 HDSC. This is where the team needs to add a scorer, and someone who can help Nuge push the river. I know you won’t agree, but if this line had a Mike Hoffman, I think this team makes the playoffs. Seriously. Went 8-13, 1-0 goals against Muzzin-Martinez.

NOTES

  • Power play looks better, Leon down low with 97 along the wall and they can wheel. Still relying too much on Klef’s point shot but Nuge is doing good work on the other side plus he and McDavid can and do switch out. Chiasson is a Godsend, he’s not Ryan Smyth but is a game rooster with some tipping skills.
  • McDavid was beyond fantastic last night, passing Doughty with ease and showing his electric skills. The postgame questions were salty but he handled them well.
  • I’m writing on Ryan Spooner today at The Athletic, probably up tomorrow. One of the things that makes him stand out on this roster is his similarity to Drake Caggiula. Not in style, but in being a complementary player. Given enough time with McDavid, I’m sure he would produce some offense. It isn’t ideal.
  • Jesse Puljujarvi’s third period, brief as it was, looked far better than the rest of his season. Physical, involved and in the parts of the ice where things were happening. Small victories are big steps. Hitchcock’s major card trick in the last 60 games will be in getting one of these centers to trust the big Finn. Last night was the first small step, seems to me Hitch has decided to pair Khaira with him to start.
  • I mentioned supporting Hitchcock above, and you might think I’m joking but it wasn’t meant to be one. Oilers fans, many of you, blamed McLellan heavily while (in my opinion) overlooking the massive roster issues. Those issues remain. The calls are coming from inside the house, but the priest took the wrong guy away! Roster issues are the problem here, ladies and men, and they all have no-movement clauses. And I’m a Chiarelli guy! I was pleased they brought him in, convinced he’d find a way, impressed by the Sekera signing and Talbot trade (although the Reinhart trade was wrongheaded and was known to be in real time). I’m not one of those folks who picks out one deal and hammers it like Dick Pound at an Olympics drug avail, but sooner or later you develop a past. Edmonton has to get a scoring winger but can’t trust the general manager with making a fair deal. What’s that spell?

5-on-5 points-per-60 (Forwards)

  1. Connor McDavid 2.47
  2. Leon Draisaitl 2.45
  3. Alex Chiasson 2.18
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.80
  5. Drake Caggiula 1.68
  6. Tobias Rieder 1.53
  7. Ty Rattie 1.29
  8. Jujhar Khaira 1.21
  9. Kyle Brodziak 0.90
  10. Jesse Puljujarvi 0.47
  11. Milan Lucic 0.46
  12. Kailer Yamamoto 0.40
  13. Ryan Strome 0.31
  14. Zack Kassian 0.30

Before you spend the day thrashing Ken Hitchcock, have a long look at the group from No. 5-14. Your day will be spent hammering on keys thrashing the coach for leaving Lucic out with 50 seconds left in a game that had no stoppage from 4:04 to the tying goal. Hitchcock? He needs to find wingers who can score goals from the group 5-14. I would respectfully suggest you give the coach a freaking break online this day.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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  • CFL guest from Calgary. Stampeders are the redemption story of this decade.
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  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Grey Cup, Oilers, week to come.

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fishman

Last night was depressing! Think I may need to go cold turkey from the Oilers for a while. The roster appears woefully inadequate and the cap situation means there is no quick fix. Well at least the weather in Mesa today in the 70’s!!

Hankster

Major roster issues…Does Toronto have major roster issues without two of their best players Matthews and Nylander ? Still top of the league with good coaching, systems, accountability and management.

Get rid of the dinosaurs and get some fresh perspective into the org. Hopes are being dashed with this owner running things like this.

jake70

“” worst since 2014 (that was the Dubnyk in Toronto””

Was that the Lupul wide open goal against the Eakins swarm? Oh man, I need couple of Rolaids.

jtblack

“Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian were once again the second best line”

The more we see you quote this in your Post Game write up, the more trouble we are in. The line has been good. But if it’s our 2nd best from here til April, we are in BIG Trouble.

Larsson on goal #3, brutal. But, guess who had the O zone turnover? Cagguila. I counted 4 Caggulia O zone turnovers in the 3rd period alone. There is a reason he usually ends ups @ 36% Corsi.

He’s Mr. Fly-by. Mr. look busy. Mr. almost won the board battle. What he really is, is “Mr. I don’t win more than 33% of my board battles and cause my line to spend a lot of time in the D zone.”

or as LT quoted “Lots of Effort, but NO results.”

Terrible game by Cagguila. Should be banished to the press box after that.

#FreeRattie

leadfarmer

As I was saying. No coach can fix this. It is all on Chia. 3 top 6 forwards two top 4 d 2 meh goalie
The roster holes are real and they are spectacular
But it was entertaining to hear all the things that Hitch was going to fix. He was Chuck Norris for a few days

jtblack

Here is another issue you have all pointed out …. D man passes.

3rd period. Oilers down by 1.

Russell is skating out with very little pressure, crosses his own blueline and looks to make a pass to his RW. This is about a 15 ft pass. What does he do?

Russell throws an absolute grenade into the Wingers skates. Of course, the winger couldn’t handle the pass. L.A. got the puck and back in to Edmonton’s zone we go.

A simple NHL play and we can’t execute it. And it happened over and over throughout the night, culminating with Gravel launching his own grenade to seal the Empty Netter.

jtblack

As sh*tty as the effort was last night, I am still a Believer for this week.

Dallas, L.A. and Vegas. 3-0 … or 2-0-1 …. Hitch surely will get them playing better on Home Ice?

Koskinen will start tomorrow.

Let’s Go Oilers ….

Réal Goudenyéu

leadfarmer:
As I was saying.No coach can fix this.It is all on Chia.3 top 6 forwards two top 4 d 2 meh goalie
The roster holes are real and they are spectacular
But it was entertaining to hear all the things that Hitch was going to fix.He was Chuck Norris for a few days

Yes maybe, but I thought the prevailing wisdom here was to “keep the powder dry’?

McSorley33

Hextall fired

Woodguy v2.0

McSorley33:
Hextall fired

When STL fired Yeo EDM went for a “monkey see monkey do”

Maybe that do that here?

Clarkenstein

Can Katz be fired?

Woodguy v2.0

Oiler Goal Share after 23 games (10-11-2)

Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
McDavid On Ice 23-17 (58%)
McDavid Off Ice 20-32 (38%)

Net EV -6

Special Teams (PP+shorties for – PK + shorties against):
19-20
Net ST -1

Empty Net: 2-7

Net EN -5

Net Goal Differential -12

Wilde

Woodguy v2.0: When STL fired Yeo EDM went for a “monkey see monkey do”

Maybe that do that here?

It’s probably fair to think the threshold is lower now, yeah

Woodguy v2.0

HITCHCOCK ERA:
Oiler Goal Share after 3 games (1-1-1)

Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
McDavid On Ice 3-3 (50%)
McDavid Off Ice 2-4 (33%)
Net EV -2

Special Teams (PP+shorties for – PK + shorties against):
2-1
Net ST +1

Empty Net 0-2
Net EN -2

Net Goal Differential -3

McSorley33

leadfarmer,

The roster holes are real and they are spectacular
******************************************************************************
How many people in here truly thought so, though?

I seem to remember some really, really lofty predictions in Hunters Death March.

Indeed, we had a couple of really notable defenders of Chia and the current roster.

Though, I have not seen them post in a while.

Dicky94

Woodguy v2.0,

Hopefully. Chia needs to go. He cost a good coach his job and might even have The so callled task Master stumped. Katz can not afford to have him making deals at the deadline. His time is done.

stush18

The injury to Sekera puts a major hole in our defence. Can you imagine if Gravel had been sitting for him? And nurse didn’t have to run around the zone? He’s our top four dman that we’re missing. Not only that, but the injury isn’t keeping him out for the year, so we can’t acquire any significant help. That injury put us in a awful spot, and is taking up a big portion of salary.

jtblack

McSorley33:
Hextall fired

Hextall has been there 5 or 6 years??? Still no Goalie …. The Schenn trade was probably the final straw. TERRIBLE deal …

Side

McSorley33:
leadfarmer,

The roster holes are real and they are spectacular
******************************************************************************
How many people in here truly thought so, though?

I seem to remember some really, really lofty predictions in Hunters Death March.

Indeed, we had a couple of really notable defenders of Chia and the current roster.

Though, I have not seen them post in a while.

A team can still perform well and make it into the playoffs even with holes on the roster.

Chia is to blame for the roster and wasting McDavid’s years, but on that note, I don’t think Talbot is helping much this year at all. Give this team a good starter and a good backup and I think the Oilers would be sitting in a playoff spot right now, even with the swiss cheese roster.

Koskinen is doing okay.. Talbot is doing awful.

Bruce McCurdy

Woodguy v2.0:
Oiler Goal Share after 23 games (10-11-2)

Empty Net: 2-7
Net EN -5

Oilers have pulled their goalie 8 times this year, have scored 0 times & allowed 7. They could hardly be worse if their team strategy was to deliberatlely shoot at their own unguarded cage. (they’d probably miss.)

If they want an example of how to do the 6v5, maybe they should study some Ducks tape. Specifically, Ducks v Oilers tape, where the last three times they have played the Oilers have led late, the Ducks have pulled their goalie & tied the game each time, scoriing 4 goals in the process.

So utterly frustrating how bad this club is late in close games. OT = fine, but the late going of regulation is a white-knuckle ride. Nobody can make a shot, or a save, or get a bounce, like, EVER.

Or get a call, but that’s a whole ‘nother rant.

Side

Lets say Chiarelli gets fired today.

Who do the Oilers replace him with now?

Who do the Oilers pursue in the offseason (assuming the replacement is only there for the interim)?

Who do you think the Oilers should pursue going forward?

franksterra

With Hextall out I wonder if the ensuing shakeup makes some horse trading more likely.

stush18

McSorley33:
leadfarmer,

The roster holes are real and they are spectacular
******************************************************************************
How many people in here truly thought so, though?

I seem to remember some really, really lofty predictions in Hunters Death March.

Indeed, we had a couple of really notable defenders of Chia and the current roster.

Though, I have not seen them post in a while.

I’ll defend the roster.

The Sekera injury was the worst thing that could have happened to the oilers. We lost a top four dman, one of the better puck movers.

Talbots disappeared on us the last two years. I wrote off last year because of all the injuries, but seriously, he needs to be moved, along with his salary. Perhaps we could grab a scoring winger with his money.

Darnell Nurse has been one of our worst dmen this yr, although if someone wants to prove me wrong I’ll let them.

I’m not sure if it’s Russells scramble defence that’s rubbing off on him, but he’s regressing imo.

I love the look of our third line. I’d swap Chiasson and Kassian right now to add a bit more touch to that third line.

But if Sekera doesn’t get injured, this is an entirely different team imo

bcoil

Well get used to it folks .Hitch hockey .dump it out dump it in and crash the net .Our only weapon was Mcdavid being hit with a outlet pass as he was in full flight now with hitch he has to come all the way back into our goal line and go thru the whole team which results in him getting to the opposition blue line and they are all waiting for him so he has to dump it in and go get it ……….. Why do you think Hitch got fired from his last three jobs …His game is from the last decade ………I heard Kevin Lowe was behind this hire

Primetime

There were some Twitter rumblings of “Talbot to Philly” recently…not from anyone overly reputable, but definitely out there.

Wonder if todays events would diminish or accelerate such a move…

Knowing Chia’s track record in trades, Hexy was probably on the phone with him trying to consummate a trade to save his job at the last second on the way up to the President’s office

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

stush18,

This times 1000

The loss of Sekera for the last two seasons has been devastating. He was brought in as the veteran lock to help guide the young fellas and when healthy he definitely delivered the goods.

Subtract him and we’re back to a very familiar problem, too many young guys playing too high up the batting order. The slide in Klef/Larsson’s play over the last few weeks has been one of the biggest personal downers. Its not that they are playing bad, but we know they can play much better. Consistency for young players, its a thing.

Unlike many folks Im with LT and have lots of time for that 3rd line right now. They are overpaid, no doubt, but things are staying in the other end when they are on the ice more times than not and the ole “eye test” says both Lucic and Kassian are playing a lot looser and with more fire. The sights are still a little bit off but I can see that line striking gold here if they keep rolling like they are now.

Dicky94

Side,

Kelly McCrimmon. I’ve been calling for this for over a year now.

Side

bcoil:
Well get used to it folks .Hitch hockey .dump it out dump it in and crash the net .Our only weapon was Mcdavid being hit with a outlet pass as he was in full flight now with hitch he has to come all the way back into our goal line and go thru the whole team which results in him getting to the opposition blue line and they are all waiting for him so he has to dump it in and go get it ……….. Why do you think Hitch got fired from his last three jobs …His game is from the last decade ………I heardKevin Lowe was behind this hire

Good troll post.

Would read again.

HugThePost

forget playoffs this year……the remainder of the year should be focused on:

Hitch implementing some semblance of systems play

Getting rid of Lucic and/ or Russell

Keeping 97 happy

Replace Chia (perhaps this one and keeping 97 happy are tied together at this point)

It is so incredibly soul-draining watching them. Sure, the roster is not ideal, but that is no excuse for a comatose start against the league’s worst team and making them look like the 1970’s Canadiens by giving up high danger chance after high danger chance.

Done by November…..it’s become an Oiler trademark.

Jethro Tull

In other news, Oilers have advertized 40% off tickets for all Mon/Tues games for the remainder of the season until midnight tonight.

There’s a snag, however; you follow the link the tickets are only singles and…….you guessed it……still full price.

People are pissed. But there’s more! Season ticket holders are rightly asking if they get a pro-rated discount.

Has anyone here tried the offer? Myself and a few of my friends have and no luck so far.

Bos8

! Find the mood swings on here way over the top.

I see three things that look very positive going forward.

The Grumpy line. Something positive out of that previous debacle.

Chiasson development. His presence on the 1st PP.

Puljujarvi. Still early, but positive things happening.

Overall Things are starting to happen. Options are being explored and adapted. I’m on board the Hitch Train.

Side

HugThePost:
forget playoffs this year……the remainder of the year should be focused on:

Hitch implementing some semblance of systems play

Getting rid of Lucic and/ or Russell

Keeping 97 happy

Replace Chia (perhaps this one and keeping 97 happy are tied together at this point)

It is so incredibly soul-draining watching them.Sure, the roster is not ideal, but that is no excuse for a comatose start against the league’s worst team and making them look like the 1970’s Canadiensby giving up high danger chance after high danger chance.

If the Oilers aren’t contesting for a playoff spot, who cares if Hitchcock gets them playing some kind of system. Hitchcock is most likely here to finish off the season. So once the new coach comes in during the offseason, he’ll likely have his team running a different system anywho.

If Hitchcock can’t get this team into a playoff spot, this will be a very pointless year and another year wasted of McDavid.

The only silver lining is hopefully this is the year Chiarelli gets canned.

Wilde

On deployment, I think it might be time to split 97’s minutes equally between two budget winger-sets and put Nuge and Leon together with Chiasson as the highest TOI trio.

Something like –

29 – 93 – 39

27 – 28 – 44

23 – 97 – 91

16 – 97 – 98

23 – 16 – 98

Pretendergast

Side,

personally id like to get a sam hinkie type, even if he doesn’t get to see the fruits of his labour again,.that guy knew what he was doing just pissed off old school basketball dinosaurs too much.

If only he had been a fanatical hockey, not bball fan.

McSorley33

Connor McDavid 2.47
Leon Draisaitl 2.45
Alex Chiasson 2.18
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.80
Drake Caggiula 1.68
Tobias Rieder 1.53
Ty Rattie 1.29
Jujhar Khaira 1.21
Kyle Brodziak 0.90
Jesse Puljujarvi 0.47
Milan Lucic 0.46
Kailer Yamamoto 0.40
Ryan Strome 0.31
Zack Kassian 0.30
*************************************************************************************************
These are the same names that we kicked around discussing in September.
( yes, save for Chiasson)

Remember, when that anonymous NHL player said Edmonton without McDavid was the worst team in the league?

I though that player was being a bit harsh….but looking at the above list, was he?

Are we closer to the bottom of the league in talent than even the pessimists thought?

I suspect Hitch is just going to resort to trapping it up here.

What choice does he have?

leadfarmer

McSorley33:
leadfarmer,

The roster holes are real and they are spectacular
******************************************************************************
How many people in here truly thought so, though?

I seem to remember some really, really lofty predictions in Hunters Death March.

Indeed, we had a couple of really notable defenders of Chia and the current roster.

Though, I have not seen them post in a while.

I had them at 87 points and since then weve lost our entire group of top 3 RW. The bets on Rattie, Yamamoto and JP did not pan out. I did have Rattie off the top line within the first quarter of the season but do feel bad that he lost it because of injury and now cant get a shot at it.

leadfarmer

McSorley33,

I think we have Mcdavid Drai and then a preVegas expansion level team.

Kinger_Oil.redux

McSorley33:
leadfarmer,

The roster holes are real and they are spectacular
******************************************************************************
How many people in here truly thought so, though?

I seem to remember some really, really lofty predictions in Hunters Death March.

Indeed, we had a couple of really notable defenders of Chia and the current roster.

Though, I have not seen them post in a while.

– Chiasson, Caggs and Reider have all filled in admirably, and contigency for the kids

– They have more than filled in because Kailer and Pool aren’t able to bring goals with skill: not sure if that is on the coach, the GM the drafing scouts, the players: but it’s real

– Lucic has not scored a lick, but Hitch seems to have found a role for him

– Talbot has been below replacement level for the last two years

– Sek get injured during pre-season, so he goes and gets Garrison, Wideman, Gravel, because presumably no one is gifting a top-4 D

– This team won’t win the Cup unless some of the high-drafted players emerge as bona-fide significant players

– And of course, they aren’t going to win with the performance of Talbot-numbers in net.

– So if the team doesn’t make the playoffs this year, Chia will be gone. Hopefully for next year (or even this year?) Kailer and Pool are ready to play meaningful roles, our goalie combination is real, Sek emerges.

– In order to attribute the team’s current status:

1) Goalie
2) Sek
3) Kailer and Pool not ready
4) Lucic not a top-6 winger

– They set themselves up with Koski and the farm and 1 year of contracts to solve this

– Sek-Bouchard, or Sek-Benning would be a beautiful thing

– We’re not scoring enough goals, we are letting too many goals in

Hankster

1. Owner
2. Lowe
3. Talbot
4. Management
5. Coach
6. Some Fans here
7. Lucic Russell cagguilla
Replace in that order
Can trade for Taylorhall and devils are still at the bottom of the standings. But go ahead with your fantasy trades anyway. What team has traded their way to the top of the league?

dustrock

McLellan stopped padding his resume around 1130 pm last night

dustrock

I get that Rieder is hurt and Strome was no picnic, but the Spooner for Strome trade looks like another backfire by Chiarelli.

This team has generally sucked since that trade.

I’m sure it’s just coincidental but it would be easier to convince me if Spooner brought anything at all.

Real talk: can you not see Benson being a better option than Spooner in the lineup right now?

I’m not sayin just sayin

stush18

SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

It’s a major problem moving forward to, because we need to start making room on the backend for dmen, and Sekera is very unmovable if he’s not playing.

I wonder if moving Nurse for a scoring forward with upside is the play. Maybe to St.Louis for Fabbri? THey need LH dmen, and have some younger prospects coming up.

Probably more of an offseason move, but the oilers are strong on prospects on defence, and will need to move one of Athens lefties.

russ99

stush18: I’ll defend the roster.

The Sekera injury was the worst thing that could have happened to the oilers. We lost a top four dman, one of the better puck movers.

Talbots disappeared on us the last two years. I wrote off last year because of all the injuries, but seriously, he needs to be moved, along with his salary. Perhaps we could grab a scoring winger with his money.

Darnell Nurse has been one of our worst dmen this yr, although if someone wants to prove me wrong I’ll let them.

I’m not sure if it’s Russells scramble defence that’s rubbing off on him, but he’s regressing imo.

I love the look of our third line. I’d swap Chiasson and Kassian right now to add a bit more touch to that third line.

But if Sekera doesn’t get injured, this is an entirely different team imo

The roster issue is just as much about the RFAs last summer as the NMCs. We gave underperforming players $3.786M in raises and expected them to do better, and as usual papered over the cracks with kids not ready for the role given to them.

Then we made a gut reaction deal to dump Strome, and got what looks like an even worse player in return for the same cap hit.

I shudder to think what we’ll get for Benning and Caggiula.

stush18

SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

Also I really like the 3line as well.

It’s one of the examples as to why I hate when people say heavy hockey is dead. It’s not at all.

People enjoy fast hockey better. But you can still win with a heavy hockey style. The problem is teams seem to think that means you should downgrade on skill for size.

You don’t. There’s lots of skilled big hockey players.

stush18

russ99,

Historically, we got the much better player at 5v5 and 5v4.

I’d wait more than four games to declare a winner.

HugThePost

When chia gets fired does that mean Bobby nicks is gone too?

Side

HugThePost:
When chia gets fired does that mean Bobby nicks is gone too?

They can’t fire Bobby… if they did, what would they call the burger they sell at Rogers?

McSorley33

stush18,

I’ll defend the roster.

The Sekera injury was the worst thing that could have happened to the oilers. We lost a top four dman, one of the better puck movers.

Talbots disappeared on us the last two years. I wrote off last year because of all the injuries, but seriously, he needs to be moved, along with his salary. Perhaps we could grab a scoring winger with his money.

Darnell Nurse has been one of our worst dmen this yr, although if someone wants to prove me wrong I’ll let them.

I’m not sure if it’s Russells scramble defence that’s rubbing off on him, but he’s regressing imo.

I love the look of our third line. I’d swap Chiasson and Kassian right now to add a bit more touch to that third line.

But if Sekera doesn’t get injured, this is an entirely different team imo
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I appreciate your post.

Really thought the team would be able to shut out a decimated Ducks team and a Brutal LA kings team with a benched Kovalchuk.

Even as a glass half -full guy, this has really surprised me.

McSorley33

jtblack,

Hextall has been there 5 or 6 years??? Still no Goalie …. The Schenn trade was probably the final straw. TERRIBLE deal …
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The other GM in the Schenn trade might not survive either ….

Wilde

selective sam poll:
1. Owner
2. Lowe
3. Talbot
4. Management
5. Coach
6. Some Fans here
7. Lucic Russell cagguilla
Replace in that order
Can trade for Taylorhall and devils are still at the bottom of the standings. But go ahead with your fantasy trades anyway. What team has traded their way to the top of the league?

you guys always bring up Taylorhall