Hang ‘Em High

by Lowetide

Oilers fans worked themselves into a gigantic lather on Thursday night, with rat fink Dustin Brown and his band of demons breaking all the rules and never getting caught. It was a combination of the old west, Dirty Harry and three blind mice in stripes at Rogers—and the fans were beside themselves with fury. Profanity, booze, spittle and God knows what else. Welcome back, hockey that matters. Missed you. One thing the Oilers have added that I very much appreciate: World class post game avails.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton is going to bring it all season long. Proud to be part of a lineup that is ready to cover the coming year. Outstanding coverage from a large group, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis, Lowetide, Minnia Feng and Pat McLean. If you haven’t subscribed yet, now’s your chance. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Jonathan Willis: Like Rome in its war with Hannibal, Edmonton needs a Scipio Africanus.
  • Daniel Nugent Bowman: Lessons learned at Sherwood Park help guide Ken Hitchock’s attempt to turn the Oilers around.
  • Lowetide: Oilers need a first-shot scoring winger and Ryan Spooner isn’t it. So, what’s next?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What Oilers want to see from top prospects Puljujarvi and Yamamoto
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi to the show, plus the sudden impact of Cam Hebig and Joel Persson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Third line suits the eye of new Oilers coach Ken Hitchcock.
  • Jonathan Willis: Can Ken Hitchcock save Milan Lucic’s Oilers career?
  • Lowetide: A shot in the dark: What are the Oilers getting in Chris Wideman?
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 25

  • Oilers in 2015: 8-15-2, 18 points; goal differential -14
  • Oilers in 2016: 13-10-2, 28 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in 2017: 10-13-2, 22 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2018: 12-11-2, 26 points; goal differential -5

The team is 3-1-1 under Ken Hitchcock and suddenly things are looking a little better. Not out of the woods, but absolutely on the right track. The team’s record now against the Pacific (2-3-1) isn’t a complete disaster. Note: After consulting with Daniel Schloss, I have taken the empty net goals out of the equation. I didn’t do it for the Novembers but will have that straightened out for December (we’ll be there on Saturday). The new goal differential season over season places this year’s team well clear of the failures while also chasing the good times.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, 10 points; goal differential -9
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-6-3, 13 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2017: 5-8-1, 11 points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2018: 6-7-1, 13 points; goal differential -8

A nice recovery for this year’s group, the Hitchcock recovery (3-1-1) absolutely saved the McLellan start (3-6-0). Would Edmonton have been able to deliver without the change in coach? We’ll never know. What we can say this morning is that this team has a chance.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Washington, Tampa Bay, Florida  (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 1-3-0)
  • At home to: Colorado, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • At home to: Dallas, Los Angeles  (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 6-7-1, 13 points in 14 games

Considering how dire things looked 10 days ago, this is a pretty nice moment for the team. There are some personnel items we can enjoy too (more in a moment) but after the Vegas home loss Edmonton beat San Jose on the road, got a point against Anaheim, beat Dallas and got revenge on the Kings. That’s a nice 3-1-1.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Gravel-Benning were 15-6 in 11:22, 6-2 shots and 1-0 goals, 5-0 HDSC. Pairing went 8-4 with 97, 7-2 without and that’s a clear win for the two men. Were 7-2 in 5:15 against Kovalchuk-Kempe-Luff, 12-6 against Muzzin-Martinez. Good night for the third pairing, reflected in the increased playing time.
  • Nurse-Russell went 21-18 in 15:58, 9-7 shots, 0-1 goals, 4-1 HDSC. Were 12-6 with the captain, all of the HD’s came with him on the ice. Were 11-9 against Iafollo-Kopitar-Brown, the goal against was from range not certain why it found the net but it wasn’t a HDSC in my opinion. Koskinen was screened on the play, defense has to clear people away (Nurse was high man, Russell down low, neither man helped). Nurse shot the puck out of play with a second on the clock, whereas just leaving it would have meant end of game. His decision making this season has been baffling. Russell looks confident with the puck but his passing isn’t concise.
  • Klefbom-Larsson were 19-24 in 18:27, 9-14 shots, no goals and 2-5 HDSC. With McDavid they were 12-7, 7-17 without, pairing bent but did not break. Klefbom had a big offensive night, he is now 2-11-13 after 25 games. Pairing was 8-11 in 10:01 against Iafollo-Kopitar-Brown. They need to move the puck more effectively, but this is a fine duo. Oscar Klefbom, with the puck on his stick and winding a serpentine path up the ice, is a stunning double for Serge Savard visually. I’m astonished at how similar they look. Larsson is a hammer. I love his play, even in a season where the length of specific plays are at times a challenge.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 30 of 32, .938 save percentage. His stop on Toffoli after the third Oilers goal was a monster moment. The second goal was a wobbler, those are tough. I think the Oilers may consider running Talbot on Saturday, I would stick with the tall Finn.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Khaira-Spooner-Russell went 8-4 in 6:34, 4-4 shots and mostly low event. Khaira had a fantastic chance in the first period, Spooner got a little more room than in previous games but didn’t do much with it. Russell isn’t fast but he doesn’t make many mistakes. Went 4-1 against Phaneuf-Ladue in three minutes. Khaira took a penalty against Doughty but did appear to get his money’s worth.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson were 27-16 in 18:52, 12-9 shots and 3-3 HDSC. Chiasson had four HDSC and scored the first goal of the game, Leon had three HDSC. Line went 10-13 in 12:10 against Forbort-Doughty and 9-11 against the Kopitar line. Both coaches appeared comfortable with the hard match, McDavid did get a little over a minute with Caggiula-Puljujarvi and around a minute with Russell and Kassian. Several have reached out to me in a worry over 97, I think he’s being played hard every shift and that has impacted 5-on-5 scoring. It happens, but his November overall is a little shy (14, 4-12-16) owing partly to a 9.1 shooting percentage and reduced minutes (23:36 in October, 21:48 in November).
  • Caggiula-Nuge-Puljujarvi went 12-15 in 10:46, 5-4 shots and 1-1 goals, 3-1 HDSC. This line is a dandy, went 7-3 in 5:07, 1-0 goals against Martinez-Muzzin. Puljujarvi is looking at the video screen on the scoreboard as the goal goes in (cover photo), everyone else on the bench is watching the play live. You know what? JP had the better view. Caggiula had three HDSC and was physical all night, his assist was key to the Puljujarvi goal and hopefully we see it more often. World class centermen elevate wingers, but at 5-on-5 Nuge has had a difficult time with that specific chore over the years. The two men currently assigned to him appear to be developing chem, hope this group stays together. Puljujarvi is showing well under Hitch, prepare the monument!
  • Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian were 10-14 in 11:52, 4-7 shots and 3-3 HDSC. Went 5-5 against Phaneuf-Ladue, I thought they were rock solid. Lucic damn near scored in the third period, the house would have come down. He had two HDSC. Brodziak had a solid game, Kassian is skating like the wind and I hope he scores soon.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun Friday show to cap the week, I expect the texts will be fully of wit, humor and jocularity. Scheduled to appear, beginning at 10 this morning on TSN1260:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Changing coaches mid-season and what teams hope to gain, the Nylander situation and will Canada separate if the Leafs win the Stanley?
  • Jonah Birenbaum, The Score. Baseball’s winter is heating up!
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Do the Oilers need to add scoring, how much does Matt remember from Grey Cup weekend, and what kind of winter should we expect from the Eskimos?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide twitter.

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LMHF#1

Re – the new guy – If he makes the top line at some point, we could have Connor and Leon and Zeke…sounds like a hell of a band.

Paddy Morans Jockstrap

hunter1909: You need help. Comparing Crimea to Nazi Germany’s history? Seriously. This is an Edmonton Oilers hockey blog. Unless I’m mistaken.

Meanwhile, comrade Hitchcock has got the Soviets…err…Oilers playing 100+ point hockey.

Let’s hope they don’t “crap out” vs the Golden Knigggits.

Thank you Hunter. I was about to say the same. That was just a shameful comment. So happy the guy’s family is feasting amidst the ruins of Ukraine where the average income is now down to 3rd world levels (less than $3000/year). It’s a bloody tragedy as the neo-liberal western elites and local oligarchs pillage another country and the mainstream media cheers on the destruction.

…..and yes enough of this junk. It’s a hockey blog.

ArmchairGM

GMB3:
Zykov appears to be a logical choice for a job in the top 6. By all accounts he seems to be a mediocre skater who has the willingness to go to the net and the hands to find some success there. Not a volume shooter unfortunately, but I think there is a possibility he could play the Maroon role and cash some of those passes McDavid is known to dish out across the crease. I hope he does well in a limited role and when Chiasson regresses to the meat

Zykov plays LW, Chiasson RW. If Hitchcock intends to try Zykov on McDavid’s wing, he would be displacing Draisaitl, which leaves Leon free to center a 3rd line with Rieder and Rattie. Could work out very well.

hunter1909

Bos8: Mouth in Gear, Brain on Idle.A lot of noise, no traction.

Give it over

Enough

How refreshing to find such intelligent discourse online as yours.

Bos8

hunter1909: Comparing apples and oranges means you need remedial lessons in philosophy 101 rhetoric.

Hitler pointing at a map and declaring ethnic Germans should be part of a greater German Reich, and the history and Russia and Ukraine are entirely different situations. For one thing Russia and Ukraine share history in ways that boggle my Irish/Scots mind. Kiev for one example, is as tied up in Russian history as Ukraine’s – this fact alone renders the region off limits to any same person/nation.

If you’re a neocon then obviously you must believe the CNN line that Putin is evil, just wait until Uncle Sam(and Disney)arrives in Donetsk, etc.

I get it; just rekindle a dead and discredited Cold War, one that I recall personally as turning out being no more than a pack of lies because it makes reading the news so much simpler for people who desire to be told what and how to think.

Mouth in Gear, Brain on Idle. A lot of noise, no traction.

Give it over

Enough

hunter1909

Bohologo: Chiming in from bright and snowy Moscow here on our newest Oiler Валентин Валентинович Зы́ков.

The problem with Russian if you’re a non-native speaker like me (okay, there is more than one problem [I’m looking at you, verbs of motion-a Russian plot to make gringos look like nitwits]) is that what you read in Russian is not what you say in Russian.

Example: Алекса́ндр Миха́йлович Ове́чкин, or as we know him: Alexander Ovechkin. You can see on the Cyrillic spelling of his family name there is an accent over the “e”. This means that the other vowels get de-voiced, and the “O” gets pronounced more like an “A”.So the Russian pronunciationof Ovechkin sounds more like Aveychkeen.Turns out Ovie is a terrible nickname, better to call him Sasha like his parents probably do.

Aside: in Russian everyone gets a great nickname. Maria is Masha, Mikhail is Misha, Daria is Dasha, Pavel is Pasha, and so on.Our host is Lowetidechik, and you are all Lowetideniks.

Back to Valentine: the accent is on the “ы́” part of his name, which is an eey sound non-native speakers have a hard time reproducing in non-comic fashion, called the Yery, which yields confusing passages like this on wikipedia, suggesting long-standing grudges or even running feuds in the linguistic community: “While vowel letters in the Cyrillic alphabet may be divided into iotated and non-iotated pairs (for example, ⟨а⟩ and ⟨я⟩ both represent /a/, the latter denoting a preceding palatalised consonant), ⟨ы⟩ is more complicated. It appears only after hard consonants, its phonetic value differs from ⟨и⟩, and there is some scholarly disagreement as to whether or not ⟨ы⟩ and ⟨и⟩ denote different phonemes.”

So, with apologies to those who speak proper Russian, a grand and beautiful language, I’d go with Zyee-kav.

Let’s get serious:

What’s “Lowetidenik Hunter1909” in Russian?

hunter1909

Bos8:
Quoting facts and I need help.Two million refugees.

You’re right, this is a hockey blog.

Enough

Comparing apples and oranges means you need remedial lessons in philosophy 101 rhetoric.

Hitler pointing at a map and declaring ethnic Germans should be part of a greater German Reich, and the history and Russia and Ukraine are entirely different situations. For one thing Russia and Ukraine share history in ways that boggle my Irish/Scots mind. Kiev for one example, is as tied up in Russian history as Ukraine’s – this fact alone renders the region off limits to any same person/nation.

If you’re a neocon then obviously you must believe the CNN line that Putin is evil, just wait until Uncle Sam(and Disney) arrives in Donetsk, etc.

I get it; just rekindle a dead and discredited Cold War, one that I recall personally as turning out being no more than a pack of lies because it makes reading the news so much simpler for people who desire to be told what and how to think.

Glovjuice

Bohologo: Chiming in from bright and snowy Moscow here on our newest Oiler Валентин Валентинович Зы́ков.

The problem with Russian if you’re a non-native speaker like me (okay, there is more than one problem [I’m looking at you, verbs of motion-a Russian plot to make gringos look like nitwits]) is that what you read in Russian is not what you say in Russian.

Example: Алекса́ндр Миха́йлович Ове́чкин, or as we know him: Alexander Ovechkin. You can see on the Cyrillic spelling of his family name there is an accent over the “e”. This means that the other vowels get de-voiced, and the “O” gets pronounced more like an “A”.So the Russian pronunciationof Ovechkin sounds more like Aveychkeen.Turns out Ovie is a terrible nickname, better to call him Sasha like his parents probably do.

Aside: in Russian everyone gets a great nickname. Maria is Masha, Mikhail is Misha, Daria is Dasha, Pavel is Pasha, and so on.Our host is Lowetidechik, and you are all Lowetideniks.

Back to Valentine: the accent is on the “ы́” part of his name, which is an eey sound non-native speakers have a hard time reproducing in non-comic fashion, called the Yery, which yields confusing passages like this on wikipedia, suggesting long-standing grudges or even running feuds in the linguistic community: “While vowel letters in the Cyrillic alphabet may be divided into iotated and non-iotated pairs (for example, ⟨а⟩ and ⟨я⟩ both represent /a/, the latter denoting a preceding palatalised consonant), ⟨ы⟩ is more complicated. It appears only after hard consonants, its phonetic value differs from ⟨и⟩, and there is some scholarly disagreement as to whether or not ⟨ы⟩ and ⟨и⟩ denote different phonemes.”

So, with apologies to those who speak proper Russian, a grand and beautiful language, I’d go with Zyee-kav.

Gorgeous post.

GMB3

Zykov appears to be a logical choice for a job in the top 6. By all accounts he seems to be a mediocre skater who has the willingness to go to the net and the hands to find some success there. Not a volume shooter unfortunately, but I think there is a possibility he could play the Maroon role and cash some of those passes McDavid is known to dish out across the crease. I hope he does well in a limited role and when Chiasson regresses to the meat

Bos8

Quoting facts and I need help. Two million refugees.

You’re right, this is a hockey blog.

Enough

ArmchairGM

OmJo: Keith Gretzky improved the drafting. Chiarelli gave away quality draft picks that set this franchise back a year or two.

His pro-scouting has been hit and miss. Some good, some bad.

He made a coaching change to save his own ass, not because it was the right thing to do at the right time. If he could have postponed it until this summer I guarantee he would have. Personally I don’t think it was his decision.

What else has he done?

He created a team near the salary cap with only 3 legitimate top 6 forwards. He’s wasted 4 years of Connor McDavid. He gave away talent like it was going out of style.

Playoffs won’t change that, for me at least. If we get to the playoffs this year it will be despite his many, many blunders…

+1000

hunter1909

Bos8: There are so many errors and fallacies, it’s boggling
Crimean war – out of 300 thousand Tartars, 200 thousand emigrated – Wiki
1944 – All Tartars were deported, 240 thousand en masse.Half died – Wiki
Ukraine – 250 thousand Tartars returned.Voted with their feet.

Crimea is mostly desert, with the Tartars gone no one knew how to farm it.Drunken Khrushchev built a water canal and moved the Ukrainians across the border.Crimea has been subsidized to this day plus power and water.

The Sudetens voted 97 percent to unite with Nazi Germany.Democracy at the point of a gun.
Aksionov party got 5 percent of the vote previous elections

Poor Ukraine – look at the traffic in any city, all on 400 dollars a year.My poor family holidays all through the Med and also the Seychelles and Maldives.I had to look them up.

Crimea is doing great except for the Tartars and Kerch schools where GRU and FSB were reenacting Beslan.And in Armyansk birds are falling out of trees but the authorities assured people everything’s fine.The stench and overnight rust are temporary.

Somehow the two Salisbury boys got “Hero of Russia” for the peaceful annexation of Crimea.After Crimea, Strelkov moved to Donetsk.Two million refugees and desolation, 20 percent of GDP gone.

Want history, read “The Bloodlands” by Timothy Snyder

What does Tomos in Ukraine have to do with Catholics?

Enough already.I’m imposing on Mr Mitchell.It’s the middle of the night and maybe he’ll forgive.

You need help. Comparing Crimea to Nazi Germany’s history? Seriously. This is an Edmonton Oilers hockey blog. Unless I’m mistaken.

Meanwhile, comrade Hitchcock has got the Soviets…err…Oilers playing 100+ point hockey.

Let’s hope they don’t “crap out” vs the Golden Knigggits.

Crazy Pedestrian

Wilde,

“Khaira – McDavid – Chiasson
Caggiula – Nuge – Puljujarvi
Zykov – Spooner – Draisaitl
Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian”

Those lines would be interesting to see.
I’ve actually always wondered what it would look like to have every winger (non shut down line) play on their offwing with respects to handedness. In theory it would create way more opportunities for one-timers with better angles and setups would all be similar to a (normal) PP setup for both half walls. I know that it wouldn’t work well defensively, but the game transitions so quickly now that in my mind only the dmen really need to have proper siding (since the puck is typically already behind the wingers when the opposition moves out the puck). Has it ever been tried before in the NHL?

Bos8

Paddy Morans Jockstrap: Crimea has been Russian since Katherine the Great and much Russian blood has been spilled fighting the Brits and French for that land. Read some history. Especially the part about a drunk Khruschev transferring Crimea to his Ukrainian brothers without asking anyone in Crimea. They had a referendum in 2014, the people voted to leave, and over 90% would vote same way tomorrow. Crimeans were lucky to escape the failed state that is Ukraine where the average monthly wage has fallen to African levels of less than $300 per month in most region. Orthodox Russia has been fighting an expansionist Catholic Europe in this part of the world since the Teutonic Knights invaded Russ in 1242. This latest dust up has roots almost 1000 years old.

There are so many errors and fallacies, it’s boggling
Crimean war – out of 300 thousand Tartars, 200 thousand emigrated – Wiki
1944 – All Tartars were deported, 240 thousand en masse. Half died – Wiki
Ukraine – 250 thousand Tartars returned. Voted with their feet.

Crimea is mostly desert, with the Tartars gone no one knew how to farm it. Drunken Khrushchev built a water canal and moved the Ukrainians across the border. Crimea has been subsidized to this day plus power and water.

The Sudetens voted 97 percent to unite with Nazi Germany. Democracy at the point of a gun.
Aksionov party got 5 percent of the vote previous elections

Poor Ukraine – look at the traffic in any city, all on 400 dollars a month. My poor family holidays all through the Med and also the Seychelles and Maldives. I had to look them up.

Crimea is doing great except for the Tartars and Kerch schools where GRU and FSB were reenacting Beslan. And in Armyansk birds are falling out of trees but the authorities assured people everything’s fine. The toxic emissions and overnight rust are temporary. The factory blames Ukraine.

Somehow the two Salisbury boys got “Hero of Russia” for the peaceful annexation of Crimea. After Crimea, Strelkov moved to Donetsk. Two million refugees and desolation, 20 percent of GDP gone.

Want history, read “The Bloodlands” by Timothy Snyder

What does Tomos in Ukraine have to do with Catholics?

Enough already. I’m imposing on Mr Mitchell. It’s the middle of the night and maybe he’ll forgive.

Wilde

Napkin scribbles lines:

Khaira – McDavid – Chiasson

Caggiula – Nuge – Puljujarvi

Zykov – Spooner – Draisaitl

Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian

Almost got two transporters on each (non-grumpy) line, damn. It works if McDavid counts as two.

I think the best version of the McDavid line is going to have two wingers than can carry the up the ice very well, so that other teams can’t just play picks on McDavid in the NZ; maybe use him as bait to set up clean entries and rushes.

(Not saying Khaira-Chiasson are those guys, just an entirely separate thought)

I’ve always wondered if Drai wouldn’t be at his best with an off-side winger on the other side that he can hit with cross-ice backhand passes for one timers. Spooner isn’t a shooter but both of his wingers are here.

I didn’t see anyone mention this, but in Hitch’s most recent avail he talked about Jesse and mentioned how good his stick details are, saying “someone’s coached him really well” (paraphrased).

It’s something that was noticeable even in his rookie year, how much he closed off options in the NZ at such a young age and seemed to understand timings, routes, and lanes available to opposing puck carriers.

And it’s one of the reasons people comparing him to Yakupov was always obscene. I’ve wondered what the “little things” and “details” that McLellan’s crew had trouble instructing him on were. I’m not doubting their existence, just what they were specifically and more importantly how they were taught.

The line changes may tell me all I need to know, however. If Jesse doesn’t make any more bad changes (against the average), that’s case closed for me.

Wilde

Glovjuice: Was Strome ever on the fourth line

Yes. What’s been lost in all of this criticism of the trade is that, in the weeks prior to the Strome trade, his unit was the most sheltered forward line with the least 5-on-5 minutes.

It’s still confounding that Strome never got a top-six wing spot before being shipped out, but the 3C for 4C meme isn’t accurate.

Zykov is a pleasant surprise. He was on my list last year, but I had given up hope that the Oilers would make a waiver claim.

He’s a perfect fit, and the best asset you could realistically ask for from the ol’ waiver wire.

106 and 106

Bohologo,

We are Lowetifeniks!!!

This post is awesome. Didn’t realize ovie was a bad nickname.

OmJo

pts2pndr:
Comming to your blog soon

Give the Devil His Due ( the Peter Chairelli story )

Improved the drafting and minor leaugue system
Improved pro scouting ( Brodziak, Rieder, Gravel and Chiasson)
Recognized that a coaching change was required
Made the change in season and saved said season

When he is wrong no one forgets when he is right will anyone remember?

My opinion the man now deserves a modecum of respect! He has earned it!

Keith Gretzky improved the drafting. Chiarelli gave away quality draft picks that set this franchise back a year or two.

His pro-scouting has been hit and miss. Some good, some bad.

He made a coaching change to save his own ass, not because it was the right thing to do at the right time. If he could have postponed it until this summer I guarantee he would have. Personally I don’t think it was his decision.

What else has he done?

He created a team near the salary cap with only 3 legitimate top 6 forwards. He’s wasted 4 years of Connor McDavid. He gave away talent like it was going out of style.

Playoffs won’t change that, for me at least. If we get to the playoffs this year it will be despite his many, many blunders…

Gerta Rauss

€√¥£€^$,

If we’re talking about finding a 2RD for this season, I like Gudas as well

Tanev out of VAN is another option, provided you can get him onto your roster in 1 piece

I have no idea if either of those guys are available and at what cost, and if I’d have any confidence in the current management to facilitate such a transaction

And of course, that damn salary cap

Bohologo

Klima’s_Bucket:
How do we pronounce this Valentin Zykov?

Is it Val-en-teen? or Valentine?
Is it Zee-kov? or Zeye – kov?

Chiming in from bright and snowy Moscow here on our newest Oiler Валентин Валентинович Зы́ков.

The problem with Russian if you’re a non-native speaker like me (okay, there is more than one problem [I’m looking at you, verbs of motion-a Russian plot to make gringos look like nitwits]) is that what you read in Russian is not what you say in Russian.

Example: Алекса́ндр Миха́йлович Ове́чкин, or as we know him: Alexander Ovechkin. You can see on the Cyrillic spelling of his family name there is an accent over the “e”. This means that the other vowels get de-voiced, and the “O” gets pronounced more like an “A”. So the Russian pronunciation of Ovechkin sounds more like Aveychkeen. Turns out Ovie is a terrible nickname, better to call him Sasha like his parents probably do.

Aside: in Russian everyone gets a great nickname. Maria is Masha, Mikhail is Misha, Daria is Dasha, Pavel is Pasha, and so on. Our host is Lowetidechik, and you are all Lowetideniks.

Back to Valentine: the accent is on the “ы́” part of his name, which is an eey sound non-native speakers have a hard time reproducing in non-comic fashion, called the Yery, which yields confusing passages like this on wikipedia, suggesting long-standing grudges or even running feuds in the linguistic community: “While vowel letters in the Cyrillic alphabet may be divided into iotated and non-iotated pairs (for example, ⟨а⟩ and ⟨я⟩ both represent /a/, the latter denoting a preceding palatalised consonant), ⟨ы⟩ is more complicated. It appears only after hard consonants, its phonetic value differs from ⟨и⟩, and there is some scholarly disagreement as to whether or not ⟨ы⟩ and ⟨и⟩ denote different phonemes.”

So, with apologies to those who speak proper Russian, a grand and beautiful language, I’d go with Zyee-kav.

Gerta Rauss

€√¥£€^$,

I see the hole at 2RD like everyone else but I don’t think it gets filled until the summer ’19 (if at all, the Oilers may view Bouchard as the solution)

I suggested a couple of weeks ago we keep an eye on WPG

Myers is on an expiring contract and Trouba has 1 last year as an RFA, they’re going to have a hard time keeping them both (including Buff making $7M/year already)-maybe they decide to re-sign Myers and Trouba shakes loose

And I suggested a couple weeks ago that they trade Nurse in order to get that 2RD

There’s lots of track between now and summer-the salary cap (should) be going up, we’ll know more about Sekera and if he’s still an NHL D man

€√¥£€^$

€√¥£€^$:
Spooner – McDavid – Ho-Sang (Rattie trade)
Zykov – Draisaitl – Chaisson
The Drake – The Nuge – The Young Giant Finn
Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian
.
While the team is in cap hell the model will have to be inexpensive wingers to plug in with the river-pushers

This team still needs a RH puck mover to play 1st (preferrably) or 2nd pair.Who could that be and what would he cost?I know Woodguy likes Gudas, but can he move the puck?I’ve tried to identify a target without movement restrictions and see struggling NJ with Severson or Vatenen as the most obvious in my mind.

I had Severson for Eberle as the target pre-Hall give away.What do the Devils need?It would be interesting to do a deal that also brings the elder McLeod back. Something like Nurse & Cagguila + Oilers 2019 3rd + 2020 1st for Severson & McLeod + NJ’s 2020 2nd.Gives the Devils the gritty defender that they haven’t had since they traded Larsson.

Thoughts on a target and the cost?

Nothing, eh?

I am surprised the subject of Rattie for Ho-Sang or a trade for a RHD puck-mover using Nurse as the primary player from the Oil is an uninteresting subject to Lowetidians.

Discussion about Pietrangelo or any other dman with a NM or NTC is wack. Parayko is too valuable to the Blues and is too big of a cap hit. Who else is left?

Who thinks Nurse is too valuable to trade?

WWLTD?

pts2pndr

Pescador: Oilers make the playoffs and I will grant him that modicum,
Sorry but that’s the McDavid deal
You’re not wrong about the listed improvements but they’re really hard to appreciate when Chiarelli has gotten railed on all of the big trades he has consummated.

I would question some of his contracts however on the trade front not so much. I think there are extenuating circumstances on several.

OmJo

jm363561: The much maligned senior scouts did ok to identify Aberg and TMac just took a dislike to him, as he did with Brossoit. Sigh.

Yeah, which is why it isn’t entirely fair to pin this disaster on Chiarelli. TMac did a piss poor job getting the most out of what he was given, even if it was little.

Genjutsu

Glovjuice: I’ll wait (Van Halen rocks), but it does not look good. Was Strome ever on the fourth line? Strome actually was our top PK.Ryan and I will be proven correct.

It doesn’t look good. It didn’t make much sense to me at the time.

Spooner is the better bet to recover his scoring because of his speed.

We’ll see what happens. I don’t have your crystal ball.

Glovjuice

Genjutsu: Yes it is a word. Just not one that fits at all in this case. It’s a little early to pick winners on that one.

Maybe wait until the end of the season and then make the call.

Spooner has some very nice point totals before this season.

I’ll wait (Van Halen rocks), but it does not look good. Was Strome ever on the fourth line? Strome actually was our top PK. Ryan and I will be proven correct.

Paddy Morans Jockstrap

Spooner looks lost and without a role, but is playing a bit better. You can see a player in there but he might be a guy who takes a bit of time to find his niche

Genjutsu

Glovjuice: Agreed, how bad that trade was is getting lost in the Hitch saviour (well, of Chia’s job that is) narrative.Awful, hellishly bad trade (yes, it is a word).

Yes it is a word. Just not one that fits at all in this case. It’s a little early to pick winners on that one.

Maybe wait until the end of the season and then make the call.

Spooner has some very nice point totals before this season.

Glovjuice

jm363561: A

Q

jm363561: =======
It looks like we might now have a grind – flat – identity line. I just cannot see the depth for three scoring lines – so one of Drai or Nuge has to play with Connor. Add in JP (pray) or Caggs, Rieder and Chiasson, and that makes a reasonable Top 6.

Strome is a pretty good 3C who could break even along with, say, Caggs and Khaira. Too early to say that the Spooner trade is a bust but it is really not looking good so far (remember, everyone wanted the Mighty Finn fired into the sun after his first game.)

When estimating 84 Death March points I noted the roster is rubbish, and it still is. Hitch might get us to 90 points but I can only see the playoffs if Connor goes hyper nova. I can still just about see us making a run when Bouchard, Benson, Yamo (still not convinced), McLeod, et al break through, and the (absolutely) crushing Lucic contract winds down. 2021 baby!

lots of talk bout great drafting but, agreed, Yamo doesn’t have the flat out speed (like Johnny Hockey does) to be an impact player. Probably tops out as a 6 forward (I guess that’s Ok but I said tops out and the risk wasn’t necessary- like Benson: to slow).

OmJo

frjohnk: Aberg has 11 points.7 goals.

Probably want you meant.

Oops. Yup! This is what happens when you post while working – not that I’d ever do such a thing.

jm363561

OmJo: We could sure use a winger with 11 goals right about now.

The much maligned senior scouts did ok to identify Aberg and TMac just took a dislike to him, as he did with Brossoit. Sigh.

frjohnk

OmJo: We could sure use a winger with 11 goals right about now.

Aberg has 11 points. 7 goals.

Probably want you meant.

Pescador

pts2pndr:
Comming to your blog soon

Give the Devil His Due ( the Peter Chairelli story )

Improved the drafting and minor leaugue system
Improved pro scouting ( Brodziak, Rieder, Gravel and Chiasson)
Recognized that a coaching change was required
Made the change in season and saved said season

When he is wrong no one forgets when he is right will anyone remember?

My opinion the man now deserves a modecum of respect! He has earned it!

Oilers make the playoffs and I will grant him that modicum,
Sorry but that’s the McDavid deal
You’re not wrong about the listed improvements but they’re really hard to appreciate when Chiarelli has gotten railed on all of the big trades he has consummated.

jm363561

Ryan: No. Just no.

I love JJ, but let’s all please stop pencilling him on the top line. He’s a fourth liner struggling to score goals.

Spooner’s a disaster. Horrible horrible trade. Don’t play him on the top line.

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It looks like we might now have a grind – flat – identity line. I just cannot see the depth for three scoring lines – so one of Drai or Nuge has to play with Connor. Add in JP (pray) or Caggs, Rieder and Chiasson, and that makes a reasonable Top 6.

Strome is a pretty good 3C who could break even along with, say, Caggs and Khaira. Too early to say that the Spooner trade is a bust but it is really not looking good so far (remember, everyone wanted the Mighty Finn fired into the sun after his first game.)

When estimating 84 Death March points I noted the roster is rubbish, and it still is. Hitch might get us to 90 points but I can only see the playoffs if Connor goes hyper nova. I can still just about see us making a run when Bouchard, Benson, Yamo (still not convinced), McLeod, et al break through, and the (absolutely) crushing Lucic contract winds down. 2021 baby!

Paddy Morans Jockstrap

Bos8:
Well the y is a short I as in tin.It should.be like Zhukov.Oh, them Russians.

A neighbor that annexes your garden then bars you access to your garage

Crimea has been Russian since Katherine the Great and much Russian blood has been spilled fighting the Brits and French for that land. Read some history. Especially the part about a drunk Khruschev transferring Crimea to his Ukrainian brothers without asking anyone in Crimea. They had a referendum in 2014, the people voted to leave, and over 90% would vote same way tomorrow. Crimeans were lucky to escape the failed state that is Ukraine where the average monthly wage has fallen to African levels of less than $300 per month in most region. Orthodox Russia has been fighting an expansionist Catholic Europe in this part of the world since the Teutonic Knights invaded Russ in 1242. This latest dust up has roots almost 1000 years old.

OmJo

texmex:
Ducks win in OT. Aberg ties it with less than 4 minutes to go in the third. Ducks 1st in the pacific pending result of flames kings game

We could sure use a winger with 11 goals right about now.

OmJo

Strome is this years Jussi Jokinen. Only younger.

Spooner is a former Bruin. For the record, Chiarelli is 0 for 3 in former Bruins – no, Benning doesn’t count. Lucic, Gustavsson, and Spooner. Let’s hope he stops while he’s behind…

OmJo

Ryan: No. Just no.

I love JJ, but let’s all please stop pencilling him on the top line. He’s a fourth liner struggling to score goals.

Spooner’s a disaster. Horrible horrible trade. Don’t play him on the top line.

Yup. Hence the (yikes) at the end of the line. The thing is, of the 3 C’s who can handle below average wingers, McDavid would be the safest bet of being able to float above water.

Could also swap Khaira and Lucic.

*ducks*

It really depends how well Zykov plays – I left him out of the lineup entirely. Can he be a top 6 LW?

Crazy Pedestrian

texmex:
Ducks win in OT. Aberg ties it with less than 4 minutes to go in the third. Ducks 1st in the pacific pending result of flames kings game

Those damn dirty ducks! Seriously need to roll over already…
Of course having potentially the best goalie in the league on their team doesn’t help…
Le sigh…

OriginalPouzar

Oh, he definitely may not ever make it and he’s likely at least 2 full years away after this one to even be in the conversation but I’m not sure anyone should be giving up on a 19 year old (just 19) in his draft plus 2 year with decent arrows.

He’s got consistency issues, big ones, but he’s a 19 year old d-men.

He’s also got a ton of potential and keeps excelling for Russia internationally and may wear a letter at the WJC this year.

Dicky94

Ryan,

Sad thing is we are stuck with him now. He looks absolutely lost out there. Strome at least battled it out. Maybe Chia will make it up with his next big trade!?

Professor Q

OriginalPouzar: Why would we?

Good question! I never did but there was a growing sentiment here along those lines. Only 1 or 2 ending up in the NHL etc.

texmex

Ducks win in OT. Aberg ties it with less than 4 minutes to go in the third. Ducks 1st in the pacific pending result of flames kings game

Glovjuice

Ryan: No. Just no.

I love JJ, but let’s all please stop pencilling him on the top line. He’s a fourth liner struggling to score goals.

Spooner’s a disaster. Horrible horrible trade. Don’t play him on the top line.

Agreed, how bad that trade was is getting lost in the Hitch saviour (well, of Chia’s job that is) narrative. Awful, hellishly bad trade (yes, it is a word).

Reja

Pescador:
I like Talbot as a backup for next season,
Say 2 years x 2.25M
Assuming he can pull his sv% up around 910

Dollars for Doughnuts Cams gone he’ll waive anywhere he’s got a chance to start.Use the cap savings or package him in a 2 for 1 or the famous 3 for 1 and get this party started again.

OriginalPouzar

Zero need to apologize.

OriginalPouzar

Professor Q: So we haven’t given up on him?

Why would we?

Ryan

OriginalPouzar: I prefer “discussed”

You’re a good egg.

Two of my favorite posters here are Woodguy and GMoney.

Two of the people of which I’ve argued or “discussed” ideas here the most: Woodguy and Gmoney.

Coincidence?

No, I tend to grind out ideas with those I respect even if it comes across at times as my being abrasive.

My apologies for that.

Also my apologies for being an intuit…

Professor Q

OriginalPouzar:
Samorukov with a late third period assist – Guelph down one in the dying minutes.

Dimitri has started to put up some numbers the last few games.

So we haven’t given up on him?