No Country For Old Men

The Edmonton Oilers rely heavily on Connor McDavid every game, every night. That point was driven home—as if we didn’t already know—in Dallas last night. I saw some hard work in the first two periods, combined with some dumb bad luck and curious decisions. The third period was a mess around, and the Oilers saw two points fly into the Texas night. All that hard work of the first two weeks under Hitchcock gives the team a little breathing room, but they’ll need to pull a win from the St. Louis Blues on Wednesday night. I’m glad to see Jujhar Khaira find the scoreboard, he’s around the puck more these days and it is paying off. Let’s have a look at the numbers.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton is going to bring it all season long. Proud to be part of a lineup that is ready to cover the coming year. Outstanding coverage from a large group, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis, Lowetide, Minnia Feng and Pat McLean. If you haven’t subscribed yet, now’s your chance. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Ken Hitchcock’s ‘to-do’ list of miracles a long one, involving 30 percent of the Oilers roster.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Leon Draisaitl needs his own line and other lessons from a McDavid-less Oilers loss
  • Lowetide: Oilers farm team in Bakersfield coming to a boil with quality prospects, most exciting farm team in decades.
  • Lowetide: Finding Ken Hitchcock’s Oilers more productive wingers: Hard target search.
  • Dom Luszczyszyn: 31 Stats (Oilers content).
  • Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s waiver gamble on Valentin Zykov is one with the possibility of a surprisingly high-end payoff.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Jonathan Willis: Like Rome in its war with Hannibal, Edmonton needs a Scipio Africanus.
  • Daniel Nugent Bowman: Lessons learned at Sherwood Park help guide Ken Hitchock’s attempt to turn the Oilers around.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 27 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 10-15-2, 22 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2016: 14-11-2, 30 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in 2017: 11-14-2, 24 points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in 2018: 13-12-2, 28 points; goal differential -6

I don’t think there’s much to say about the loss, beyond it could have been worse. Through most of two periods, the shorthanded Oilers kept up while not offering much in the way of a counter attack. It reminded me of distant days gone down, cheering for overwhelmed expansion teams and trying to pick out one or two positives. On this night, for me, goalie Koskinen, Leon, some moments from Jesse Puljujarvi and Khaira scoring were the main takeaways.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 2-0-0, four points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in December 2016: 2-0-0, four points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in December 2017: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in December 2018: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -1

A disappointing start to this short road trip and losing the captain to illness is no fun at all, but I did look at the evening as an opportunity for some of the youngsters (and less established players) to impress. More on that in a minute.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 0-1-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota, Calgary (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Colorado, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, San Jose, Winnipeg (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 1-1-0, two points in two games

The Vegas win allows a little room to breathe but a win against St. Louis is important now, plus another on the weekend against one of the Wild or Flames. One hopes the captain returns in Missouri.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Gravel-Benning were 7-3 in 6:34, 4-0 shots, no goals and 2-1 HDSC. It’s a classic old school pairing (mobile defender with coverage issues paired with slower, shutdown type) and for the most part things seemed under control. Benning took a penalty after trying to beat the forechecker around the net, he doesn’t have the speed to do that maneuvre but the alternative leaves him in a lump in the corner. Went 2-2 in 4:12 against Janmark-Dickinson-Ritchie, who for some reason were the offensive catalysts in the first two periods.
  • Klefbom-Larsson went 24-16 in 18:24, that’s a monster amount of 5-on-5 time, 11-9 shots, 1-0 goals and 4-0 HDSC. Oscar left the barn door open down the left side (although Lucic blew a shoe and Brodziak threw a pick on 77 to set it up), that was the big play while they were on the ice at evens. Against Benn-Seguin-Spezza, Klefbom went 8-6 in 7:31.
  • Nurse-Russell were 7-11 in 12:31, 2-4 shots no goals and 0-1 HDSC. Were 2-5 in 5:16 against Benn-Seguin-Spezza. Nurse wasn’t sharp at all, but I thought Russell made several impressive defensive plays.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 21 of 24, .875. He made several outstanding saves and (imo) the goals against were either ridiculous chances or fluke change of directions that left him vulnerable.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-Leon-Chiasson went 15-6 in 10:39, the big player being Draisaitl. 5-2 shots, 1-2 HDSC, and Leon picked up an assist with Khaira-Rattie (5-3 in 5:34) on a night when he was truly double shifted. Draisaitl faced Lindell-Heiskanen 18-5 in 14:01, also 15-3 in 9:25 against Nichushkin-Faksa-Pitlick. For all the good numbers, this line didn’t get enough HD looks. If this team had better wingers….
  • Caggiula-Nuge-Puljujarvi went 8-19 in 11:06, 5-10 shots, no goals and 2-3 HDSC. The line had moments, like Puljujarvi getting two fantastic looks on a bouncing puck in the third, but couldn’t find the range. Caggiula took a high hit from Jamie Benn that was a penalty all day but didn’t get the call (he also got high sticked by Benn earlier in the game). Nuge went 7-9 with Rattie, 3-3 with Patrick Russell, 3-3 with Lucic. Nuge went 5-14 against Benn-Seguin-Spezza, 5-14 against Bayreuther-Polak.
  • Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian were 11-11 in 9:37, 5-5 shots and 0-2 goals, 3-2 HDSC. Kassian is a player I like but he can’t take penalties at his current rate. Khaira scored, Brodziak had two great chances but the center picked Klefbom on the second goal against. Khaira was the one bright line on the line.
  • Leon, Pulju, Khaira were my picks for best among forwards. Hitchcock mentioned Ty Rattie as a doer in the postgame as well.

2019-20 SALARY CAP

According to Gary Bettman, the 2019-20 salary cap is going to be around $83 million. That’s a break for Edmonton, according to PuckPedia, the Oilers have about $66 million tied up in 14 players, with Mikko Koskinen, Cam Talbot, Alex Chiasson and Kevin Gravel headed to free agency. RFA’s include Jesse Puljujarvi, Tobias Rieder, Jujhar Khaira, Ty Rattie. This summer, Peter Chiarelli will have room to wheel. That makes some of you nervous, others hopeful.

SCORING FORWARDS

Ideally, a team has its entire first line over 2.00/60 at 5-on-5, and then a second line pushing for 2.00/60 in the discipline. For me, the bottom six can be considered successful if a player is posting 1.50/60 or better. Those things understood, there are some successes in Edmonton right now:

  1. Connor McDavid 2.29
  2. Leon Draisaitl 2.29
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.69
  4. Alex Chiasson 1.67
  5. Drake Caggiula 1.59
  6. Jujhar Khaira 1.53
  7. Tobias Rieder 1.53
  8. Ty Rattie 1.12
  9. Kyle Brodziak 0.73
  10. Ryan Spooner 0.70
  11. Jesse Puljujarvi 0.67
  12. Kailer Yamamoto 0.40
  13. Milan Lucic 0.38
  14. Ryan Strome 0.34
  15. Zack Kassian 0.24

I count about four guys doing the job here, but in all honesty there’s a lot to praise. McDavid and Draisaitl are well over 2.00/60, Chiasson and Caggiula have taken advantage of some opportunities and are scoring at terrific rates based on their own pasts. Nuge is sliding away from 97, but that’s to be expected and I do think Khaira and Rieder are above the Mendoza line.

After that, we have the trouble areas. If a team of fourth liners play third line minutes but don’t score? You’re just rewarding fourth liners with more empty minutes. As I wrote in my piece for The Athletic this morning, Ken Hitchcock didn’t come here to maintain status quo. This will not stand. Man.

Can Hitchcock cobble together eight wingers to go with McDavid, Nuge, Brodziak and Spooner? Welp, it’s going to be a process. Draisaitl-Chiasson, Caggiula-Puljujarvi, Lucic-Kassian and Khaira-Rattie/Russell will augmented by Rieder and Valentin Zykov in the coming days.

I don’t think it’s enough, and believe Hitchcock is going to be pushing for another shooter. If McDavid-Draisaitl come off the ice, then Nuge-Tarasenko need to be their replacements. I can see Hitch pushing that idea heavily in the coming days. Note: This does not mean I am endorsing a trade, in fact I suggest keeping their powder dry.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show with much to discuss, we get rolling at 10 this morning on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Takeaways from last night’s game and what the future may bring.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. WJ rosters and who did and did not make the list.
  • Chris Daniels, King5 Seattle. Seattle’s NHL expansion.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. John Chambers says:

    leadfarmer: There’s too many jobs on the line for them to trade a goalie.Maybe trade deadline.

    But if you can upgrade from Benning to a 2RD today …

    Not sure Gudas is a 2RD though. He’s playing under 18 mins / night.

  2. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Regardless of whether one thinks Chia has been a good or bad GM (or somewhere in the middle) I don’t think any GM survives missing the playoffs 3/4 years with CMD.

  3. Alpine says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    Close to a playoff spot or in it? He’s here til they’re eliminated from contention or go out with a whimper in round 1.

    8-10 points out and not gaining ground? See ya.

  4. leadfarmer says:

    Radko Gudas. Oh man we are going all Hitch aren’t we. Loves the up the boards and out and loves to shoot the puck

  5. Dr. Taboggan says:

    I am just scared that Chia is still GM at the deadline and makes another one of his patented 1 for 1 trades.

    “The Edmonton Oilers have traded Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for Adam McQuaid. The trade is 1 for 1”

  6. leadfarmer says:

    John Chambers: But if you can upgrade from Benning to a 2RD today …

    Not sure Gudas is a 2RD though. He’s playing under 18 mins / night.

    Possible exits -11%
    Zone entry offense 20%.
    Can’t survive in today’s NHL with those numbers as a 2nd pairing
    Zone entry defense is mid level though
    Like him better than Benning but need to shoot higher for 2nd pair

  7. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: When you log in click the “remember me” button.

    Keeps you logged in so you’ll see new posts.

    Only for about a week to 10 days, then one has to log in again….in my experience.

  8. GentleRush says:

    jtblack,

    First time poster here but have been reading for a bit. LT you have a great place here. The 2 + years waiting for wingers to develop hurts to think about, but I think you are correct.

    Unless Hitch can somehow how get the wingers scoring and the defense locked down we are missing the playoffs and then the new Gm will have to make a tough decision.

    I think a good GM will look at the cap situation, the CBA and expansion draft and realize that the window to contend starts at 2021 and not sooner. And that means looking at trading UFAs expiring at that time to hit that window in stride with McDavids prime.

    It wont be popular and I hate the losing, but I think that is where things are at right now.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hitch confirms that both McDavid and Spooner are much better today and are expected to play tomorrow.

  10. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: So it behooves EDM to not buyout Lucic before then as if they wait there is a very good chance they can dump him entirely off the cap in 2 years.

    2 years.

    Man.

    After that season I sure this team can be a contender.

    And before the wiseguys throw in their comments.

    I mean contender for the Cup, not just the playoffs.

    And for that one guy.

    I mean the Stanley Cup.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168:
    Ryan Strome in 9 games with NYR 5 points or the last 7 games 5 points

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122942

    Milan is the black hole for any offence when he is on the ice

    Ryan Strome’s posession and goal share numbers with the Rangers are just awful

    His RelGF% is -30.1% and his relative possession numbers are all hovering around -10%

    His GF% is 30% and his CF% is 37% (the best of his possession metrics).

    If Drake Caggiula is replacement level because of his posession and goal share metrics notwithstanding some points, Strome is not an NHL player based on the same.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    The NHLPA doesn’t mind amnesty buyouts at all. It frees up cap space for GMs to soend.

    The NHL doesn’t mind them either as most GMs want to clean up where they shit on the floor and their owners want their teams to be competitive.

    Amnesty buyouts could very well be negotiated in the next CBA discussions, maybe it even more likely that note, however, to nitpick, while, yes, of course, the GMs love them, its not the GMs that need to agree to the CBA and its not the GMs that have to spend the real dollars if they want to use the amnesty buyouts.

    Peter Dorion may want amnesty buyouts but I would think that Eugene Melnyk does not.

  13. workaroundaccount says:

    frjohnk: After that season I sure this team can be a contender.

    And before the wiseguys throw in their comments.

    I mean contender for the Cup, not just the playoffs.

    And for that one guy.

    I mean the Stanley Cup.

    If Bouhard, Nurse, Bear/Jones and 2 of Benson/Moto/Jp hit, then I would count this team as having 4 top 4 D, and 5 top 6 forwards. Not sure that quite does it. The big problem is the league is improving faster than we are.

  14. JimmyV1965 says:

    fishman:
    Is there any willing to debate that Chia hasn’t been a complete fail? (Roster last night was sobering!) We have already cut bait on the coach and have an interm in place. Why not do the same with GM? Show Pete the door and let K Gretzky take over for balance of season. Couldn’t be any worse. Use balance of season to “figure it out!! Bob this mess is at your feet!Go Oilers!

    Sure, I’ll argue that Chia hasn’t been a complete fail. He’s drafted well, although I think he’s failing with development. I believe he’s the one pushing for JP and the other kids to be on the roster when they should clearly be in junior or the minors. His small signings and trades have been positive. But yes, I think overall he’s been a train wreck. I won’t list the deals because we all know them. I do believe he will leave his successor with much more to work with than he inherited. A good GM can turn this thing around in two years.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: He’s already a massive dead cap hit.
    The Oilers can wait till just before the expansion draft but,assuming there is no compliance buyout, wouldn’t you buy him out and save the extra protected spor?

    He’s not a totally dead cap hit, he does do some decent things out there but your point is valid.

    Yes, I might potentially be in favor of the buy out in order to not have to protect the player, however, that is FAR from a good situation, in fact is an egregiously horrible situation and management may not be willing to do it (or maybe even ownership who has to spend the real money).

  16. workaroundaccount says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Lucic’s salarary is costing the Oilers more financially than the cost of his contract. Katz would love to ditch it for the sake of the bottom line.

  17. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: There’s too many jobs on the line for them to trade a goalie.Maybe trade deadline.

    I’m not sure the difference between Talbot and Montoya as the back up is more than a handful of goals either way at this point.

  18. workaroundaccount says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ryan Strome’s posession and goal share numbers with the Rangers are just awful

    His RelGF% is -30.1% and his relative possession numbers are all hovering around -10%

    His GF% is 30% and his CF% is 37% (the best of his possession metrics).

    If Drake Caggiula is replacement level because of his posession and goal share metrics notwithstanding some points, Strome is not an NHL player based on the same.

    This speaks to just how truly awful our non-McDavids are.

  19. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: Agreed.
    Not sure about his protection status for expansion draft but I don’t think it really matters. Oilers will buy him out if it comes down to having to protect him. It will be high time for a buyout by then.It may happen sooner.

    Milan Lucic has to be off the active roster by next year. If you can’t trade him or we can’t stomach the buyout, he has to become a permanent scratch. I’m not even sure how that would work.

  20. Glovjuice says:

    godot10: Yamamoto had a goal scoring heater in his draft year.He is a playmaker who will not score many goals.And it will take him a couple of years in the AHL to learn how to be a playmaker against men, especially since he is only an average skater, not elite like Gaudreau.

    Bam, yes, he is an average skater. So many STILL think he is fast/quick but whatever – he isn’t. He is borderline slow in the “new” NHL.

  21. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers: But if you can upgrade from Benning to a 2RD today …

    Not sure Gudas is a 2RD though. He’s playing under 18 mins / night.

    That’s a gamble too.

    I take that gamble because I don’t re-sign Talbot and Gudas is very useful when he’s on.

    Here’s his Relative Team Mate GF%. (if I have to use one metric, its this one…but he shows well using others)

    Player Season RelT GF%
    RADKO.GUDAS 2015-2016 -1.22
    RADKO.GUDAS 2016-2017 11.65
    RADKO.GUDAS 2017-2018 -1.58
    RADKO.GUDAS 2018-2019 10.44

    Hot and cold.

    Some of that is the difference between 2nd and 3rd pairing.

    He shows very well in 3rd and *just* about breaks even in 2nd.

    I think he’d be a great help to Nurse or Sekera in the 2nd pair.

  22. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Radko Gudas.Oh man we are going all Hitch aren’t we.Loves the up the boards and out and loves to shoot the puck

    I’ve liked Gudas for years.

    He’s more than what you are indicating here.

    He’s good at the same thing Larsson is good at. (Larsson is very, very good at this)

    Separating top 6 forwards from the puck and getting it back in the dzone.

    That’s soooooooooo crucial to Dmen.

    Its (one of the areas) where Nurse struggles.

  23. frjohnk says:

    workaroundaccount: Bouhard, Nurse, Bear/Jones and 2 of Benson/Moto/Jp hit

    I think we are a couple of years from those guys making an impact/if they make an impact.

    I can not remember who said this on LT’s show but if you have 3 elite prospects, count on 1 of them becoming an elite NHL player, if you get 2 out of it, then thats gravy.

    I hope that JP, Bouchard and maybe a Benson or Moto can become those impact players for us. But nothing is guaranteed.

  24. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: Possible exits -11%
    Zone entry offense 20%.
    Can’t survive in today’s NHL with those numbers as a 2nd pairing
    Zone entry defense is mid level though
    Like him better than Benning but need to shoot higher for 2nd pair

    I agree I’d like higher for 2nd pair.

    I’m talking about a player I’d try to acquire for a goalie I’m not going to sign.

    That’s a win if you can pull it off.

  25. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers: But if you can upgrade from Benning to a 2RD today …

    Not sure Gudas is a 2RD though. He’s playing under 18 mins / night.

    You’re not upgrading Benning on 2RD as he’s playing 3RD.

    You’re upgrading 2RD from Russell to Gudas.

    You’re upgrading 3LD from Gravel to Russell.

    This is all a moo point though as nothing happens until Sekera comes back.

    I’m just blueskying

  26. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Amnesty buyouts could very well be negotiated in the next CBA discussions, maybe it even more likely that note, however, to nitpick, while, yes, of course, the GMs love them, its not the GMs that need to agree to the CBA and its not the GMs that have to spend the real dollars if they want to use the amnesty buyouts.

    Peter Dorion may want amnesty buyouts but I would think that Eugene Melnyk does not.

    I noted that the owners wanted their teams to be competitive in my original post in anticipation of this objection.

    Melnyk is a minority among owners in the NHL as he’s hand to mouth.

    The vast majority are not.

  27. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    workaroundaccount: If Bouhard, Nurse, Bear/Jonesand 2 of Benson/Moto/Jp hit, then I would count this team as having 4 top 4 D, and 5 top 6 forwards. Not sure that quite does it. The big problem is the league is improving faster than we are.

    Its a long shot to project both Bear and Jones as top 4 Dmen.

    Whether or not they even survive at the NHL level is in question at this time (as it is for all non-NHLers) let alone Top 4.

  28. texmex says:

    Flames down 4-1 a minute into the 2nd.

    Flames up 5-4 with 6mins to go in the second

    🤮🤢🤦‍♂️

  29. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    But we need a defenseman that is good in the offensive zone. Need a guy that can get the puck out of our zone and get it in the other zone and know what to do in that zone while still being good in his zone. Gudas Larsson Benning is playing with one hand tied behind your back in the offensive zone. So you almost automatically put Bouchard in the 2nd RHD slot because those guys either chip in the corner or chip it on net. No other options There’s zero creativity with that crew

  30. workaroundaccount says:

    frjohnk: I think we are a couple of years from those guys making an impact/if they make an impact.

    I can not remember who said this on LT’s show but if you have 3 elite prospects, count on 1 of them becoming an elite NHL player, if you get 2 out of it, then thats gravy.

    I hope that JP, Bouchard and maybe a Benson or Moto can become those impact players for us.But nothing is guaranteed.

    There was actually sarcasm on that. Fully expect that we hit 2020 with Nuge, CMD, Drai and 1 of those 3 as top 6 forwards. Hopefully one other can play 3line, but probably not. My point is that we are still 4-5 internal pieces away from being 3 pieces away.

  31. workaroundaccount says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Its a long shot to project both Bear and Jones as top 4 Dmen.

    Whether or not they even survive at the NHL level is in question at this time (as it is for all non-NHLers) let alone Top 4.

    Should have been more clear. Point was that even in the best case scenario we are not projecting to be a contender with the internal pieces.

  32. PinkSocks says:

    JimmyV1965: Sure, I’ll argue that Chia hasn’t been a complete fail. He’s drafted well, although I think he’s failing with development.I believe he’s the one pushing for JP and the other kids to be on the roster when they should clearly be in junior or the minors. His small signings and trades have been positive. But yes, I think overall he’s been a train wreck. I won’t list the deals because we all know them. I do believe he will leave his successor with much more to work with than he inherited. A good GM can turn this thing around in two years.

    Not a word out of place.

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    There’s just too many teams that are attractive to the league that will struggle without a buyout such as Chicago for them not to have one.And it’s free money to the players that isn’t attached to their 50% cut.
    That’s why any talk about buying out Lucic is ridiculous.Just patience.Even 50% retention trade while sounding nice now may not be best way to go

    I agree with this sentiment 100%. However, I don’t think you can have him on the active roster. He can’t be playing. Unproductive players like this kill morale. I think everyone can tolerate it for awhile, but five years of it cannot be healthy for the team. Maybe the answer is a permanent scratch.

  34. frjohnk says:

    JimmyV1965: Maybe the answer is a permanent scratch

    According the Black Hawks, the answer is a “permanent itch”

  35. PinkSocks says:

    If PC can turn Talbot into Gudas I’ll forgive him for turning Eberle into Spooner.

    Then with Montoya backing up Koskinen we get some value back for that 4th rounder PC gifted the Habs.

  36. texmex says:

    Anyone think Talbot is being showcased / auditioned for the blues tomorrow night?

  37. PinkSocks says:

    frjohnk: According the Black Hawks, the answer is a “permanent itch”

    It’s infuriating to see the relief the Hawks and Wings get from ol’ itchy skin Hossa and my back hurts Zetterberg while Lucic is still playing. There HAS to be something physically wrong with him that a doctor can find. It’s a win-win really. Looch gets $6m/yr on LTIR and saves what’s left of his hockey reputation.

  38. ArmchairGM says:

    workaroundaccount:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Lucic’s salarary is costing the Oilers more financially than the cost of his contract. Katz would love to ditch it for the sake of the bottom line.

    That ends this year though. The next 4 years are $6, 4, 5, 4M.

    The contract is totally tradeable on July 2nd 2019. There is a $3M bonus that is vested July 1st, leaving just $16M owed over 4 remaining years. In other words, despite a cap hit of $6M, Lucic will be owed (and average of) $4M annually.

    Salary retention works on a percentage basis – if you retain 33%, that means $2M cap hit and $1.33 in real dollars for Edmonton and $4M cap + $2.67M dollars for the new team. Fifty percent would be $3m cap and $2M dollars, while the receiving team carries the same burden. Based on Leo Komorov’s contract this past summer, and if Hitchcock can show that Lucic is still useful, no additional assets will be required to trade Milan to a team that can’t afford to spend to the cap but needs veteran leadership and physicality.

  39. PinkSocks says:

    texmex:
    Anyone think Talbot is being showcased / auditioned for the blues tomorrow night?

    It would be great if he was; but for what the Oil need (Parayko), the Blues aren’t trading him now that Pietrangelo is on LTIR

  40. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: Milan Lucic has to be off the active roster by next year. If you can’t trade him or we can’t stomach the buyout, he has to become a permanent scratch. I’m not even sure how that would work.

    Robidas Island.

  41. Gret99zky says:

    texmex:
    Flames down 4-1 a minute into the 2nd.

    Flames up 5-4 with 6mins to go in the second

    9-6 Flames with 3:00 left in the 3rd. Puke.

  42. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    What’s the flames PDO this year? 5000?

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    PinkSocks: It’s infuriating to see the relief the Hawks and Wings get fromol’ itchy skin Hossa and my back hurts Zetterberg while Lucic is still playing. There HAS to be something physically wrong with him that a doctor can find. It’s a win-win really. Looch gets $6m/yr on LTIR and saves what’s left of his hockey reputation.

    Except that, while LTIR does provide some relief it is far from an ideal way to manage the cap.

    Having knowledge that the player is never coming off LTIR is helpful as it does allow the team to use the full cushion, however, there remain many negatives including having to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season (or using the even less efficient off-season LTIR) and, of course, always being over the adjusted cap accrual threshold leading to no daily cap savings to bank for future acquisitions.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Robidas Island.

    We would still need to deal with his $6M cap hit for the remainder of the term of his contract.

    LTIR is a horrible way to manage the cap and, even if Lucic is put on LTIR for the remainder of his contract, the contract would still serve to hand-cuff the team in various ways.

    Not to mention, I don’t see Lucic agreeing to it if he isn’t truly physically unable to play due to injury and the league is investigating these situations much more than in the past.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    What’s the flames PDO this year? 5000?

    ,997

  46. godot10 says:

    texmex:
    Anyone think Talbot is being showcased / auditioned for the blues tomorrow night?

    Not particularly.

    Most good coaches play their backups regularly. A team needs to use both goaltenders.

  47. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ryan Strome’s posession and goal share numbers with the Rangers are just awful

    His RelGF% is -30.1% and his relative possession numbers are all hovering around -10%

    His GF% is 30% and his CF% is 37% (the best of his possession metrics).

    If Drake Caggiula is replacement level because of his posession and goal share metrics notwithstanding some points, Strome is not an NHL player based on the same.

    I don’t know who his linemates are, But I’m sure they don’t help his metrics. We know his numbers can be better and he is capable.

  48. Glovjuice says:

    godot10:
    Sunlight or the thing that sunlight produces in the body (vitamin D3) is the best cold and flu preventor.

    Literally centuries of evidence.Flu outbreaks occur in winter, not in summer.The flu virus doesn’t disappear in the summer.It is present year round.

    No patent or secret ingredient. And more certain than the flu shot (which even the authorities admit is hit or miss depending on how lucky they guess which form of the flu virus will be active that winter).And one avoids the mercury/thimerosal from the flu shot.

    Zinc has some evidence as well.

  49. PinkSocks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Except that, while LTIR does provide some relief it is far from an ideal way to manage the cap.

    Having knowledge that the player is never coming off LTIR is helpful as it does allow the team to use the full cushion, however, there remain many negatives including having to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season (or using the even less efficient off-season LTIR) and, of course, always being over the adjusted cap accrual threshold leading to no daily cap savings to bank for future acquisitions.

    Certainly I agree; but even though it isn’t an ideal way to manage the cap, it is much more favorable than having Lucic on the roster.

    I have always been a Lucic fan too and wish for nothing more than him going on a 20G heater to close the season, but’s it’s pretty clear that the guy is done. He either needs to be place on LTIR until his contract expires or PC needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat and find a home for him. Like
    JimmyV1965 said, he absolutely must not be on the roster October 2019.

  50. Caller Zen says:

    Josh Leivo scores in his first game as a Canuck …so tell me again why Chia didn’t pick up the phone and call Dubas?

  51. PinkSocks says:

    OriginalPouzar: the league is investigating these situations much more than in the past.

    The leagues “investigation” of the Hossa and Zetterberg contracts were pathetic. LTIR should be used and then his contract can be traded for a minor asset.

  52. PinkSocks says:

    Unrelated note watching the Wild & Canucks in the background this evening. Attendance in Vancouver is embarrassing. I know they suck; but they also have one of the best young prospects in the league who should be the rookie of the year. Big globs of empty red seats in both zones.

  53. PinkSocks says:

    Caller Zen:
    Josh Leivo scores in his first game as a Canuck …so tell me again why Chia didn’t pick up the phone and call Dubas?

    Because Zykov is a better prospect, younger, and free.

  54. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Except that, while LTIR does provide some relief it is far from an ideal way to manage the cap.

    Having knowledge that the player is never coming off LTIR is helpful as it does allow the team to use the full cushion, however, there remain many negatives including having to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season (or using the even less efficient off-season LTIR) and, of course, always being over the adjusted cap accrual threshold leading to no daily cap savings to bank for future acquisitions.

    Notwithstanding the egregious impact on the Oilers’s salary cap, forr lack of better alternatives Lucic is a material candidate for a buyout this upcoming summer. The foregoing implications of said buyout are an implicitly egregious consequence in this course of action.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    PinkSocks: Certainly I agree; but even though it isn’t an ideal way to manage the cap, it is much more favorable than having Lucic on the roster.

    I have always been a Lucic fan too and wish for nothing more than him going on a 20G heater to close the season, but’s it’s pretty clear that the guy is done. He either needs to be place on LTIR until his contract expires or PC needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat and find a home for him.Like
    JimmyV1965 said, he absolutely must not be on the roster October 2019.

    I don’t think the Lucic would simply agree to head to LTIR for the remainder of his contract given no actual playing limiting injury – he’s not even 30 – I’m sure he wants to play the game.

  56. Oz says:

    Was last nights game a “Hich in ya giddy up”

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Caller Zen:
    Josh Leivo scores in his first game as a Canuck …so tell me again why Chia didn’t pick up the phone and call Dubas?

    How do you (we) know he didn’t?

    Leivo wasn’t free – the cost was a Caleb Jones level prospect.

    Management did make an acquisition on the waiver wire that very well could pay off without the acquisition cost.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    PinkSocks: The leagues “investigation” of the Hossa and Zetterberg contracts were pathetic. LTIR should be used and then his contract can be traded for a minor asset.

    Lucic is 30 – he’s not going to agree to go on LTIR without being injured.

  59. Material Elvis says:

    Glovjuice: Zinc has some evidence as well.

    Failing that and the vitamin D toxicity treatment, I hear toe of frog and eye of newt work well.

  60. Material Elvis says:

    Short of a buyout, we aren’t getting rid of Lucic without adding a serious sweetener. It’s a killer contract. Someone tried to warn us but we wouldn’t listen.

  61. Gerta Rauss says:

    Material Elvis: Someone tried to warn us but we wouldn’t listen.

    lol

  62. Caller Zen says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    How do you (we) know he didn’t?

    Leivo wasn’t free – the cost was a Caleb Jones level prospect.

    Management did make an acquisition on the waiver wire that very well could pay off without the acquisition cost.

    You mean give Chiarelli the benefit of the doubt that he inquired about Leivo? Hah!

    LeBrun on Twitter said, “GM Jim Benning phoned Kyle Dubas this morning for the first time asking about Leivo and it got done rather quickly. Leivo should get a shot in the top 6 in Van. Could be a nice pickup”

    But I’m with you – hoping the Zykov pick up pays dividends.

  63. Material Elvis says:

    Ryan: Notwithstanding the egregious impact on the Oilers’s salary cap, forr lack of better alternatives Lucic is a material candidate for a buyout this upcoming summer. The foregoing implications of said buyout are an implicitly egregiousconsequence in this course of action.

    The moment Chiarelli gets any cap space to work with, he’ll likely turn around and sign another albatross UFA contract. So what’s the point?

  64. PinkSocks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Lucic is 30 – he’s not going to agree to go on LTIR without being injured.

    Right but that’s the thing. He has to have some sort of an injury to fall of this steeply.

    Further though; I’m not sure he wouldn’t agree to it. He’s a proud individual who may prefer being LTIR’d than receive the criticism and shame of playing the way he has for the last 2 years.

  65. Material Elvis says:

    That Auston Matthews person has really figured out hockey puck shooting. Maybe the best shooter in the league? He’s not going to give the Leaves a sweetheart deal.

  66. Dustylegnd says:

    Material Elvis:
    That Auston Matthews person has really figured out hockey puck shooting.Maybe the best shooter in the league?He’s not going to give the Leaves a sweetheart deal.

    Nor is his friend Mariner…. he has really figured out that whole primary assist thing too….

    This crop of Entrry level deals is going to blow salary caps to kingdom come

    Mathews, Marner, Laine, Rantenen, Point….. the only team with easy room is Colorado

  67. Ryan says:

    Material Elvis: The moment Chiarelli gets any cap space to work with, he’ll likely turn around and sign another albatross UFA contract.So what’s the point?

    I was partly just having some fun with OP’s lexicon, but the point wouldn’t be cap space. It would be the necessary evil to get him off the roster.

  68. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Material Elvis:
    That Auston Matthews person has really figured out hockey puck shooting.Maybe the best shooter in the league?He’s not going to give the Leaves a sweetheart deal.

    They’ll be trading players next summer. The Cap loves no team. Way too many paid forwards on the Leafs coming.

  69. Glovjuice says:

    Side: Defending was the wrong word and I edited my comment above.

    It’s very difficult to say when a deal is made whether it’s 100% negative or positive value overall when the contract is still in progress, which is why I like to look at the context of the time.

    At the time of Cassandra’s statement, it was ridiculous, even knowing that the contract was too much for too long.

    It’s only appearing to be “correct” now because Lucic took a turn no one expected and his production became near zero.MOST people predicted Lucic may decline a bit, but even after the first year people were expecting Lucic’s even strength totals to rebound.At the time, the contract was a bit more palatable if Lucic could maintain his career averages, knowing there would be a gradual decline as he got older.

    But think about this, what if Lucic DID get a McDavid bump in his production and he actually put up higher totals than his usual production? Then comes last year where Lucic allegedly wanted a trade out of Edmonton because of personal reasons. Are you confident that Chiarelli wouldn’t be able to get a 7th pick or higher from Lucic under this circumstance?

    I think Chiarelli could have fetched a 7th or higher.

    Also, I find it interesting that Cassandra or others deride the intelligence of GMs across the NHL when it’s convenient for them.But when it comes to making grand statements like “Lucic isn’t worth a 7th round pick” this kind of statement is predicated on GMs suddenly being competent or intelligent enough to not make this kind of trade.If GMs are as incompetent as some suggest, then that would mean there is definitely the possibility that Lucic is still worth a 7th.

    Cassandra tried to have it both ways.Depending on his narrative, he would argue that GMs are too competent or too incompetent.

    When the foundation of all of his arguments is to make Chiarelli look as bad as possible, it’s hard to take anything he wrote with any kind of credibility.

    The Lucic signing was hellishly bad the day it happened and is crippling the team beyond immediate repair. Cassandra was right. Lay off. Would Ladd, Backas, that joke in Van. et al. garner more than a 7th round pick at their current salary. Shit bro. No.

  70. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Leivo wasn’t free – the cost was a Caleb Jones level prospect.

    OriginalPouzar:
    Leivo wasn’t free – the cost was a Caleb Jones level prospect.

    Do you have him (understandably) mixed up with Sprong here, who went for M. Pettersson?

    Leivo went for an undrafted minor-leaguer who has having a good U23 season in the AHL after delivering shy offense during the age 20-21 seasons that usually point towards NHL futures in ex-CHLers.

    I don’t rate Cercone and Jones on the same level at all, really, but Jones-Pettersson occupy the same tier imo.

  71. BONE207 says:

    Ryan:

    OriginalPouzar: Except that, while LTIR does provide some relief it is far from an ideal way to manage the cap.

    Having knowledge that the player is never coming off LTIR is helpful as it does allow the team to use the full cushion, however, there remain many negatives including having to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season (or using the even less efficient off-season LTIR) and, of course, always being over the adjusted cap accrual threshold leading to no daily cap savings to bank for future acquisitions.

    Notwithstanding the egregious impact on the Oilers’s salary cap, forr lack of better alternatives Lucic is a material candidate for a buyout this upcoming summer. The foregoing implications of said buyout are an implicitly egregiousconsequence in this course of action.

    Shakespeare would love this: Kill all the lawyers, kill them tonight

  72. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lucic’s contract was set up to trade to a Cap floor team. The majority of cash (actual money) paid up front, the Cap hit remaining.

    Many teams struggle with paying cash out. As said the total offensive collapse was not predictable. The decline before the contract ended was predictable.

    Buying him out next summer is shot to own foot. One player does not sink a team and Luc will be on the move or compliance bought out in the expansion year.

    There are other things to do before prematurely buying the big man out, that will improve the team. Not that PC has shown any Cap skills so far.

  73. Wilde says:

    I’d have made the Leivo one, and I loved Sprong as a target even before he was a buy-low candidate but I don’t like Sprong’s chances under Hitchcock.

  74. Wilde says:

    On the Kailer talk, by the way, his skating is high-end.

    The reason that he doesn’t carry the puck through the neutral zone like Johnny is less to do with his feet and more to do with his hands which are good but not elite obviously.

    Also, either directly or indirectly Todd McLellan’s teachings and system discouraged Yamamoto from carrying the puck through the neutral zone.

    Again, his hands and skating are both high-end. I wouldn’t say either are elite (my definition is prohibitive) but they’re both assets and they both contribute to his ability at the junior and minor-league professional level to carry the puck in all three zones.

    I think he both committed too hard to get his coach to like him and committed too hard to get his teammates to like him, resulting in him not hanging onto the puck for longer or attempting to beat checks or shoot the puck through them.

    His audition last year was much closer to the player that he is and will be at the NHL level than his audition this year.

    I believe he has the second quickest processor on the team and isn’t far away and I wouldn’t be as down on him as some are.

  75. Wilde says:

    I will say, though, that if Yamamoto and Puljujarvi’s player identities both lean towards play-drivers, carriers and playmakers, you may have to start drafting one-dimensional goalscorers to try to hit on one there.

    Multidimensional goalscorers usually go #1 and #2 or as late as #5 unless they’re Russian, so you have to gamble on the Owen Tippets of the world, Oliver Wahlstrom, the Arthur Kaliyev, Cole Caufield.

  76. JimmyV1965 says:

    I find it interesting that Hitch sat out McDavid when he was sick. Yet last year McDavid played for about 10 days with an apparently much worse illness. I know Hitch said he wanted to take the pressure off McDavid, that he shouldn’t have the full burden of the team on his shoulders. I forget the exact quote.

  77. Material Elvis says:

    Scungilli Slushy: They’ll be trading players next summer. The Cap loves no team. Way too many paid forwards on the Leafs coming.

    They’ll make trades, but I think they’ll make the correct ones. Dubas seems sharp — he will hang on to his top young forwards and supplement them with a solid prospect pool. They might lose Gardiner to UFA but should be able to maintain the rest. Pains me to say it but the Leafs have a great team.

  78. Bulging Twine says:

    Maybe if Talbot has a good game against STL they trade for him

  79. Material Elvis says:

    Ryan: I was partly just having some fun with OP’s lexicon, but the point wouldn’t be cap space. It would be the necessary evil to get him off the roster.

    There are a few players who shouldn’t be on the roster next year. The question is how much pain is each anchor contract going to cost to dispose without taking something smelly in return? Maybe Hunter should run a Boat Anchor Contract Disposal Cost contest? Lucic, Spooner, Sekera(?), Kassian, Russell(?), am I missing anyone? I think Russell is tradeable given his performance this season so his cost would be the lowest. Lucic would be costly — a high pick or decent prospect. Sekera might be similar if his performance is awful.

  80. Professor Q says:

    Dustylegnd: Nor is his friend Mariner…. he has really figured out that whole primary assist thing too….

    This crop of Entrry level deals is going to blow salary caps to kingdom come

    Mathews, Marner, Laine, Rantenen, Point….. the only team with easy room is Colorado

    And that’s only because they’ve systematically gotten rid of most of their former superstars and stars and who’ve they’ve gotten for them (Duchene, O’Reilly, Stastny). They were supposed to be their core for playoff success…

    Otherwise they would have to have traded them anyway in order to keep to the new and young talent.

  81. ArmchairGM says:

    Material Elvis:
    Short of a buyout, we aren’t getting rid of Lucic without adding a serious sweetener.It’s a killer contract.Someone tried to warn us but we wouldn’t listen.

    Retained salary after July 1st will be enough of a sweetener.

  82. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    But we need a defenseman that is good in the offensive zone.Need a guy that can get the puck out of our zone and get it in the other zone and know what to do in that zone while still being good in his zone. Gudas Larsson Benning is playing with one hand tied behind your back in the offensive zone.So you almost automatically put Bouchard in the 2nd RHD slot because those guys either chip in the corner or chip it on net.No other options There’s zero creativity with that crew

    I’m a bit old school in that I don’t worry about the offense coming from Dmen.

    Its my opinion that Dmen help the offense the most by getting the puck back from the other team and get it going the other way.

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I find it interesting that Hitch sat out McDavid when he was sick. Yet last year McDavid played for about 10 days with an apparently much worse illness. I know Hitch said he wanted to take the pressure off McDavid, that he shouldn’t have the full burden of the team on his shoulders. I forget the exact quote.

    Stuaffer intimated on his show that McDavid learned from last year that trying to play through that type of sickness just extends the amount of time he’s effected and he pulled the chute himself.

    Apparently he was so bad that they rented a room in the hotel for him to stay in during the day (team checked out as they flew to STL after the game)

  84. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m a bit old school in that I don’t worry about the offense coming from Dmen.

    Its my opinion that Dmen help the offense the most by getting the puck back from the other team and get it going the other way.

    You know I agree with this but I want to add to this thought how much D partner’s reads and step-quickness matters to getting the puck back.

    Just like on the forecheck, when retrieving a dump-in, the second guy’s actions are really important and he’s usually the first guy to have clean possession.

    Rarely will someone push their check off of the puck AND get the puck back with time and space.

    The chain of events is usually the first guy engages physically -> puck support comes in and retrieves.

    Whoever’s team’s puck support had body positioning or the quicker read or both gets the puck.

    This is where Klef comes in. Like Sekera, he’s extremely good at knowing when Larsson’s gotten the job done physically and when he can safely retrieve, and making the correct actions in those vital first two seconds after getting the puck below the red line or outside of the dots.

    You want to get there first, but if you jump the gun you’ll be passed through and it’s a two-on-one for the other guys in front of the net.

    Larsson and Klefbom do this for each other really well, Sekera does it well, Benning does it decently but is weaker in the two-second window.

    All of the centres are at least decent at it where they’re needed, especially Brodziak lately who has been terrific and is IMO the main reason his line has been doing well territorially

    Everyone else makes my eye twitch every time, just like the early variation of the Leon line with Lucic and Yamamoto where Kailer would put the puck into neutral ice on the forecheck and then 27 and 29 would both continue backing up as if the other team had clean possession.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m a bit old school in that I don’t worry about the offense coming from Dmen.

    Its my opinion that Dmen help the offense the most by getting the puck back from the other team and get it going the other way.

    The issue with our “offence from defence” has absolutely been an inability to transition the puck quickly and efficiently, as opposed to a PP QB or “pure offensive d-man”, in my opinion – we are in agreement.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    No Maksimov for Team Russia WJC. Damn Russian politics.

  87. Jaxon says:

    You know what sucks. If Yamamoto was sent down with only 9 games instead of 12 this season he wouldn’t have to be protected in the expansion draft. He was only 19 on September 15th, so AHL games are not considered professional for a 19 year old. If he was born 2 weeks earlier then it wouldn’t matter, he’d be considered a pro in the AHL. But he was only 19 on the cutoff date. They may lose him because of 3 games played. Why isn’t someone watching for this kind of thing 24-7. It should be someone’s full time job. If there is already someone watching this stuff, then maybe that person isn’t doing such a great job.

  88. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Stauffer also said he was at the back of the plane by himself being sick.

    I had to take one of my kids to the Stollery a few weeks ago. Drove down from Peace River, my kid had it. We got there, stayed overnight ans then I had it. Managed to get to the hospital…….apointment cancelled. The doctor had it. Interesting drive back to PR visiting every rest stop.

    I have a LOT of sympathy for Connor and Spoons.

  89. Jaxon says:

    Players currently without contracts for next season that may be of interest to Edmonton if they can manage to dump a lot of salary.

    RD:
    Erik Karlsson – 16 pts in 28 GP, 24:52 TOI – 9 pts in last 11GP. His speed, skill and minutes logged on the back end would be a game changer.
    Nick Jensen – solid D playing 2nd pair 19:49 TOI
    Tyler Myers – would be a decent 2nd pair on the right side. 19:10 TOI
    Alex Petrovic – 17:48 TOI
    Jan Rutta – 16:19 TOI

    LD
    Jake Gardiner – if Toronto can afford him they’ll re-sign him. I think he might command too much on the open market for a left D. 13pts in 28gp, 21:45 TOI
    Michael Del Zotto – reminds me of Schultz, offensively gifted but has a tough time defensively so maybe stay away from him unless he has improved in that aspect. 18:12 TOI
    Jordan Oesterle – great speed has played top pair minutes for much of his time since leaving Edmonton (with Duncan Keith in Chicago last season and now Oliver Ekman-Larsson in Arizona) – 17:47 TOI

    LW
    Artemi Panarin 29pts in 26GP, 19:33 TOI
    Matt Duchene 34pts in 28GP, 19:11 TOI
    Brock Nelson – 19pts in 26GP, 17:58 TOI
    Anders Lee – 21pts in 26GP, 17:38 TOI
    Jeff Skinner – 29pts in 29GP, 17:50 TOI
    Jakub Silfverberg – 11 pts in 24GP, 17:35 TOI

    RW
    Mark Stone – 30pts in 28GP, 19:47 TOI
    Jeff Skinner – would be an amzing pick up but I bet he re-signs with Buffalo as things are going well for him and the Sabres – 29pts in 29GP, 17:50 TOI
    Ryan Dzingel – 19pts in 26GP, 17:34 TOI
    Jordan Eberle – at a reduced cap that would be quite something. 13pts in 26GP, 16:48 TOI
    Richard Panik – 8pts in 23GP, 15:58 TOI

    C
    Matt Duchene – his speed would be amazing with McDavid. 34pts in 28GP, 19:11 TOI
    Kevin Hayes – 17pts in 28GP, 19:08 TOI
    Brock Nelson – 19pts in 26GP, 17:58 TOI
    Anders Lee (I don’t think he plays much C) – 21pts in 26GP, 17:38 TOI
    Ryan Dzingel (not sure he plays much C either, don’t know much about him) – 19pts in 26GP, 17:34 TOI

  90. Jaxon says:

    Do I understand correctly that if Lucic and Russell are still on the team in June of 2021, they will have to be protected as they have NMC with a Modified NTC whereas Sekera wouldn’t have to be protected as his NMC switches to a Modified NTC. That said, I believe they should all be traded before then, expect maybe Sekera (although he may be exempt by then due to career-ending injury clause).

    Today, Talbot can be asked for a 10 team trade list (probably would include teams closer to home or his AHL days such as TOR, OTT, BUF, BOS, or maybe to DAL where his wife is from or NSH, she’s a big country fan) Also Cup contenders like TBL, COL, WPG or maybe division rivals if he doesn’t want to get traded like CGY, ANA, SJS, VGK, ARI)
    On June 1, 2019, Russell can be asked for a 10 team trade list, in 2020 it becomes a 15 team list.
    On June 1, 2020, Sekera can be asked for a 15 team trade list.
    On June 1, 2021, Lucic can be asked for a 8 team trade list. I could see them retaining 50% for his final two years in a trade.

  91. Sierra says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m a bit old school in that I don’t worry about the offense coming from Dmen.

    Its my opinion that Dmen help the offense the most by getting the puck back from the other team and get it going the other way.

    Agreed, this is the most important dmen contribution to offence. This further emphasizes the importance of the Oilers offensive strategy to stop revolving around cycling the puck to the point for low percentage shitty shots.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon:
    You know what sucks. If Yamamoto was sent down with only 9 games instead of 12 this season he wouldn’t have to be protected in the expansion draft. He was only 19 on September 15th, so AHL games are not considered professional for a 19 year old. If he was born 2 weeks earlier then it wouldn’t matter, he’d be considered a pro in the AHL. But he was only 19 on the cutoff date. They may lose him because of 3 games played. Why isn’t someone watching for this kind of thing 24-7. It should be someone’s full time job. If there is already someone watching this stuff, then maybe that person isn’t doing such a great job.

    Yup – his ELC was subject to slide this year if he didn’t play 10 NHL games.

    With that said, even with an “uneven performance” so far in the AHL, I anticipate he will play more NHL games this year.

    Hopefully he is in the lineup tonight, he left last game with a lower body injury and is day to day – Woodcroft said its not anticipated to be serious.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon:
    Do I understand correctly that if Lucic and Russell are still on the team in June of 2021, they will have to be protected as they have NMC with a Modified NTC whereas Sekera wouldn’t have to be protected as his NMC switches to a Modified NTC. That said, I believe they should all be traded before then, expect maybe Sekera (although he may be exempt by then due to career-ending injury clause).

    Both Sekera’s and Russell’s contracts expire that summer (on July 1) so neither needs to be protected even with Russell’s NMC. The one benefit of the one-year delay is that Kris Russell isn’t a forced protect.

    Sekera’s NMC falls away next summer so he was never going to be a must-protect.

  94. CrazyCoach says:

    OriginalPouzar: Hitch confirms that both McDavid and Spooner are much better today and are expected to play tomorrow.

    And the sound of of a thousand sphincters loosening at once causes a tornado in Kansas due to the Butterfly Effect.

  95. Dominoiler says:

    Hitchcock for GM?!

  96. John Chambers says:

    Scungilli Slushy: They’ll be trading players next summer. The Cap loves no team. Way too many paid forwards on the Leafs coming.

    Great point. I knew the Marleau signing would be rich for them … couldn’t understand the third year.

    Great interview with Stan Bowman on Spittin’ Chicklets this week where he talks about their salary-cap armageddon in the summer of 2010. Said he knew it was coming all season regardless of how their playoff went (they won the Cup!). I imagine Dubas is similarly thinking of how they unravel from a bunch of contracts.

    It will probably cost them either Kadri or Zaitsev … or Nylander.

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