No Country For Old Men

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers rely heavily on Connor McDavid every game, every night. That point was driven home—as if we didn’t already know—in Dallas last night. I saw some hard work in the first two periods, combined with some dumb bad luck and curious decisions. The third period was a mess around, and the Oilers saw two points fly into the Texas night. All that hard work of the first two weeks under Hitchcock gives the team a little breathing room, but they’ll need to pull a win from the St. Louis Blues on Wednesday night. I’m glad to see Jujhar Khaira find the scoreboard, he’s around the puck more these days and it is paying off. Let’s have a look at the numbers.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Ken Hitchcock’s ‘to-do’ list of miracles a long one, involving 30 percent of the Oilers roster.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Leon Draisaitl needs his own line and other lessons from a McDavid-less Oilers loss
  • Lowetide: Oilers farm team in Bakersfield coming to a boil with quality prospects, most exciting farm team in decades.
  • Lowetide: Finding Ken Hitchcock’s Oilers more productive wingers: Hard target search.
  • Dom Luszczyszyn: 31 Stats (Oilers content).
  • Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s waiver gamble on Valentin Zykov is one with the possibility of a surprisingly high-end payoff.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Jonathan Willis: Like Rome in its war with Hannibal, Edmonton needs a Scipio Africanus.
  • Daniel Nugent Bowman: Lessons learned at Sherwood Park help guide Ken Hitchock’s attempt to turn the Oilers around.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 27 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 10-15-2, 22 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2016: 14-11-2, 30 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in 2017: 11-14-2, 24 points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in 2018: 13-12-2, 28 points; goal differential -6

I don’t think there’s much to say about the loss, beyond it could have been worse. Through most of two periods, the shorthanded Oilers kept up while not offering much in the way of a counter attack. It reminded me of distant days gone down, cheering for overwhelmed expansion teams and trying to pick out one or two positives. On this night, for me, goalie Koskinen, Leon, some moments from Jesse Puljujarvi and Khaira scoring were the main takeaways.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 2-0-0, four points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in December 2016: 2-0-0, four points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in December 2017: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in December 2018: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -1

A disappointing start to this short road trip and losing the captain to illness is no fun at all, but I did look at the evening as an opportunity for some of the youngsters (and less established players) to impress. More on that in a minute.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 0-1-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota, Calgary (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Colorado, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, San Jose, Winnipeg (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 1-1-0, two points in two games

The Vegas win allows a little room to breathe but a win against St. Louis is important now, plus another on the weekend against one of the Wild or Flames. One hopes the captain returns in Missouri.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Gravel-Benning were 7-3 in 6:34, 4-0 shots, no goals and 2-1 HDSC. It’s a classic old school pairing (mobile defender with coverage issues paired with slower, shutdown type) and for the most part things seemed under control. Benning took a penalty after trying to beat the forechecker around the net, he doesn’t have the speed to do that maneuvre but the alternative leaves him in a lump in the corner. Went 2-2 in 4:12 against Janmark-Dickinson-Ritchie, who for some reason were the offensive catalysts in the first two periods.
  • Klefbom-Larsson went 24-16 in 18:24, that’s a monster amount of 5-on-5 time, 11-9 shots, 1-0 goals and 4-0 HDSC. Oscar left the barn door open down the left side (although Lucic blew a shoe and Brodziak threw a pick on 77 to set it up), that was the big play while they were on the ice at evens. Against Benn-Seguin-Spezza, Klefbom went 8-6 in 7:31.
  • Nurse-Russell were 7-11 in 12:31, 2-4 shots no goals and 0-1 HDSC. Were 2-5 in 5:16 against Benn-Seguin-Spezza. Nurse wasn’t sharp at all, but I thought Russell made several impressive defensive plays.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 21 of 24, .875. He made several outstanding saves and (imo) the goals against were either ridiculous chances or fluke change of directions that left him vulnerable.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-Leon-Chiasson went 15-6 in 10:39, the big player being Draisaitl. 5-2 shots, 1-2 HDSC, and Leon picked up an assist with Khaira-Rattie (5-3 in 5:34) on a night when he was truly double shifted. Draisaitl faced Lindell-Heiskanen 18-5 in 14:01, also 15-3 in 9:25 against Nichushkin-Faksa-Pitlick. For all the good numbers, this line didn’t get enough HD looks. If this team had better wingers….
  • Caggiula-Nuge-Puljujarvi went 8-19 in 11:06, 5-10 shots, no goals and 2-3 HDSC. The line had moments, like Puljujarvi getting two fantastic looks on a bouncing puck in the third, but couldn’t find the range. Caggiula took a high hit from Jamie Benn that was a penalty all day but didn’t get the call (he also got high sticked by Benn earlier in the game). Nuge went 7-9 with Rattie, 3-3 with Patrick Russell, 3-3 with Lucic. Nuge went 5-14 against Benn-Seguin-Spezza, 5-14 against Bayreuther-Polak.
  • Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian were 11-11 in 9:37, 5-5 shots and 0-2 goals, 3-2 HDSC. Kassian is a player I like but he can’t take penalties at his current rate. Khaira scored, Brodziak had two great chances but the center picked Klefbom on the second goal against. Khaira was the one bright line on the line.
  • Leon, Pulju, Khaira were my picks for best among forwards. Hitchcock mentioned Ty Rattie as a doer in the postgame as well.

2019-20 SALARY CAP

According to Gary Bettman, the 2019-20 salary cap is going to be around $83 million. That’s a break for Edmonton, according to PuckPedia, the Oilers have about $66 million tied up in 14 players, with Mikko Koskinen, Cam Talbot, Alex Chiasson and Kevin Gravel headed to free agency. RFA’s include Jesse Puljujarvi, Tobias Rieder, Jujhar Khaira, Ty Rattie. This summer, Peter Chiarelli will have room to wheel. That makes some of you nervous, others hopeful.

SCORING FORWARDS

Ideally, a team has its entire first line over 2.00/60 at 5-on-5, and then a second line pushing for 2.00/60 in the discipline. For me, the bottom six can be considered successful if a player is posting 1.50/60 or better. Those things understood, there are some successes in Edmonton right now:

  1. Connor McDavid 2.29
  2. Leon Draisaitl 2.29
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.69
  4. Alex Chiasson 1.67
  5. Drake Caggiula 1.59
  6. Jujhar Khaira 1.53
  7. Tobias Rieder 1.53
  8. Ty Rattie 1.12
  9. Kyle Brodziak 0.73
  10. Ryan Spooner 0.70
  11. Jesse Puljujarvi 0.67
  12. Kailer Yamamoto 0.40
  13. Milan Lucic 0.38
  14. Ryan Strome 0.34
  15. Zack Kassian 0.24

I count about four guys doing the job here, but in all honesty there’s a lot to praise. McDavid and Draisaitl are well over 2.00/60, Chiasson and Caggiula have taken advantage of some opportunities and are scoring at terrific rates based on their own pasts. Nuge is sliding away from 97, but that’s to be expected and I do think Khaira and Rieder are above the Mendoza line.

After that, we have the trouble areas. If a team of fourth liners play third line minutes but don’t score? You’re just rewarding fourth liners with more empty minutes. As I wrote in my piece for The Athletic this morning, Ken Hitchcock didn’t come here to maintain status quo. This will not stand. Man.

Can Hitchcock cobble together eight wingers to go with McDavid, Nuge, Brodziak and Spooner? Welp, it’s going to be a process. Draisaitl-Chiasson, Caggiula-Puljujarvi, Lucic-Kassian and Khaira-Rattie/Russell will augmented by Rieder and Valentin Zykov in the coming days.

I don’t think it’s enough, and believe Hitchcock is going to be pushing for another shooter. If McDavid-Draisaitl come off the ice, then Nuge-Tarasenko need to be their replacements. I can see Hitch pushing that idea heavily in the coming days. Note: This does not mean I am endorsing a trade, in fact I suggest keeping their powder dry.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show with much to discuss, we get rolling at 10 this morning on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Takeaways from last night’s game and what the future may bring.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. WJ rosters and who did and did not make the list.
  • Chris Daniels, King5 Seattle. Seattle’s NHL expansion.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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John Chambers

Scungilli Slushy: They’ll be trading players next summer. The Cap loves no team. Way too many paid forwards on the Leafs coming.

Great point. I knew the Marleau signing would be rich for them … couldn’t understand the third year.

Great interview with Stan Bowman on Spittin’ Chicklets this week where he talks about their salary-cap armageddon in the summer of 2010. Said he knew it was coming all season regardless of how their playoff went (they won the Cup!). I imagine Dubas is similarly thinking of how they unravel from a bunch of contracts.

It will probably cost them either Kadri or Zaitsev … or Nylander.

Dominoiler

Hitchcock for GM?!

CrazyCoach

OriginalPouzar: Hitch confirms that both McDavid and Spooner are much better today and are expected to play tomorrow.

And the sound of of a thousand sphincters loosening at once causes a tornado in Kansas due to the Butterfly Effect.

OriginalPouzar

Jaxon:
Do I understand correctly that if Lucic and Russell are still on the team in June of 2021, they will have to be protected as they have NMC with a Modified NTC whereas Sekera wouldn’t have to be protected as his NMC switches to a Modified NTC. That said, I believe they should all be traded before then, expect maybe Sekera (although he may be exempt by then due to career-ending injury clause).

Both Sekera’s and Russell’s contracts expire that summer (on July 1) so neither needs to be protected even with Russell’s NMC. The one benefit of the one-year delay is that Kris Russell isn’t a forced protect.

Sekera’s NMC falls away next summer so he was never going to be a must-protect.

OriginalPouzar

Jaxon:
You know what sucks. If Yamamoto was sent down with only 9 games instead of 12 this season he wouldn’t have to be protected in the expansion draft. He was only 19 on September 15th, so AHL games are not considered professional for a 19 year old. If he was born 2 weeks earlier then it wouldn’t matter, he’d be considered a pro in the AHL. But he was only 19 on the cutoff date. They may lose him because of 3 games played. Why isn’t someone watching for this kind of thing 24-7. It should be someone’s full time job. If there is already someone watching this stuff, then maybe that person isn’t doing such a great job.

Yup – his ELC was subject to slide this year if he didn’t play 10 NHL games.

With that said, even with an “uneven performance” so far in the AHL, I anticipate he will play more NHL games this year.

Hopefully he is in the lineup tonight, he left last game with a lower body injury and is day to day – Woodcroft said its not anticipated to be serious.

Sierra

Woodguy v2.0: I’m a bit old school in that I don’t worry about the offense coming from Dmen.

Its my opinion that Dmen help the offense the most by getting the puck back from the other team and get it going the other way.

Agreed, this is the most important dmen contribution to offence. This further emphasizes the importance of the Oilers offensive strategy to stop revolving around cycling the puck to the point for low percentage shitty shots.

Jaxon

Do I understand correctly that if Lucic and Russell are still on the team in June of 2021, they will have to be protected as they have NMC with a Modified NTC whereas Sekera wouldn’t have to be protected as his NMC switches to a Modified NTC. That said, I believe they should all be traded before then, expect maybe Sekera (although he may be exempt by then due to career-ending injury clause).

Today, Talbot can be asked for a 10 team trade list (probably would include teams closer to home or his AHL days such as TOR, OTT, BUF, BOS, or maybe to DAL where his wife is from or NSH, she’s a big country fan) Also Cup contenders like TBL, COL, WPG or maybe division rivals if he doesn’t want to get traded like CGY, ANA, SJS, VGK, ARI)
On June 1, 2019, Russell can be asked for a 10 team trade list, in 2020 it becomes a 15 team list.
On June 1, 2020, Sekera can be asked for a 15 team trade list.
On June 1, 2021, Lucic can be asked for a 8 team trade list. I could see them retaining 50% for his final two years in a trade.

Jaxon

Players currently without contracts for next season that may be of interest to Edmonton if they can manage to dump a lot of salary.

RD:
Erik Karlsson – 16 pts in 28 GP, 24:52 TOI – 9 pts in last 11GP. His speed, skill and minutes logged on the back end would be a game changer.
Nick Jensen – solid D playing 2nd pair 19:49 TOI
Tyler Myers – would be a decent 2nd pair on the right side. 19:10 TOI
Alex Petrovic – 17:48 TOI
Jan Rutta – 16:19 TOI

LD
Jake Gardiner – if Toronto can afford him they’ll re-sign him. I think he might command too much on the open market for a left D. 13pts in 28gp, 21:45 TOI
Michael Del Zotto – reminds me of Schultz, offensively gifted but has a tough time defensively so maybe stay away from him unless he has improved in that aspect. 18:12 TOI
Jordan Oesterle – great speed has played top pair minutes for much of his time since leaving Edmonton (with Duncan Keith in Chicago last season and now Oliver Ekman-Larsson in Arizona) – 17:47 TOI

LW
Artemi Panarin 29pts in 26GP, 19:33 TOI
Matt Duchene 34pts in 28GP, 19:11 TOI
Brock Nelson – 19pts in 26GP, 17:58 TOI
Anders Lee – 21pts in 26GP, 17:38 TOI
Jeff Skinner – 29pts in 29GP, 17:50 TOI
Jakub Silfverberg – 11 pts in 24GP, 17:35 TOI

RW
Mark Stone – 30pts in 28GP, 19:47 TOI
Jeff Skinner – would be an amzing pick up but I bet he re-signs with Buffalo as things are going well for him and the Sabres – 29pts in 29GP, 17:50 TOI
Ryan Dzingel – 19pts in 26GP, 17:34 TOI
Jordan Eberle – at a reduced cap that would be quite something. 13pts in 26GP, 16:48 TOI
Richard Panik – 8pts in 23GP, 15:58 TOI

C
Matt Duchene – his speed would be amazing with McDavid. 34pts in 28GP, 19:11 TOI
Kevin Hayes – 17pts in 28GP, 19:08 TOI
Brock Nelson – 19pts in 26GP, 17:58 TOI
Anders Lee (I don’t think he plays much C) – 21pts in 26GP, 17:38 TOI
Ryan Dzingel (not sure he plays much C either, don’t know much about him) – 19pts in 26GP, 17:34 TOI

Jethro Tull

Woodguy v2.0,

Stauffer also said he was at the back of the plane by himself being sick.

I had to take one of my kids to the Stollery a few weeks ago. Drove down from Peace River, my kid had it. We got there, stayed overnight ans then I had it. Managed to get to the hospital…….apointment cancelled. The doctor had it. Interesting drive back to PR visiting every rest stop.

I have a LOT of sympathy for Connor and Spoons.

Jaxon

You know what sucks. If Yamamoto was sent down with only 9 games instead of 12 this season he wouldn’t have to be protected in the expansion draft. He was only 19 on September 15th, so AHL games are not considered professional for a 19 year old. If he was born 2 weeks earlier then it wouldn’t matter, he’d be considered a pro in the AHL. But he was only 19 on the cutoff date. They may lose him because of 3 games played. Why isn’t someone watching for this kind of thing 24-7. It should be someone’s full time job. If there is already someone watching this stuff, then maybe that person isn’t doing such a great job.

OriginalPouzar

No Maksimov for Team Russia WJC. Damn Russian politics.

OriginalPouzar

Woodguy v2.0: I’m a bit old school in that I don’t worry about the offense coming from Dmen.

Its my opinion that Dmen help the offense the most by getting the puck back from the other team and get it going the other way.

The issue with our “offence from defence” has absolutely been an inability to transition the puck quickly and efficiently, as opposed to a PP QB or “pure offensive d-man”, in my opinion – we are in agreement.

Wilde

Woodguy v2.0: I’m a bit old school in that I don’t worry about the offense coming from Dmen.

Its my opinion that Dmen help the offense the most by getting the puck back from the other team and get it going the other way.

You know I agree with this but I want to add to this thought how much D partner’s reads and step-quickness matters to getting the puck back.

Just like on the forecheck, when retrieving a dump-in, the second guy’s actions are really important and he’s usually the first guy to have clean possession.

Rarely will someone push their check off of the puck AND get the puck back with time and space.

The chain of events is usually the first guy engages physically -> puck support comes in and retrieves.

Whoever’s team’s puck support had body positioning or the quicker read or both gets the puck.

This is where Klef comes in. Like Sekera, he’s extremely good at knowing when Larsson’s gotten the job done physically and when he can safely retrieve, and making the correct actions in those vital first two seconds after getting the puck below the red line or outside of the dots.

You want to get there first, but if you jump the gun you’ll be passed through and it’s a two-on-one for the other guys in front of the net.

Larsson and Klefbom do this for each other really well, Sekera does it well, Benning does it decently but is weaker in the two-second window.

All of the centres are at least decent at it where they’re needed, especially Brodziak lately who has been terrific and is IMO the main reason his line has been doing well territorially

Everyone else makes my eye twitch every time, just like the early variation of the Leon line with Lucic and Yamamoto where Kailer would put the puck into neutral ice on the forecheck and then 27 and 29 would both continue backing up as if the other team had clean possession.

Woodguy v2.0

JimmyV1965:
I find it interesting that Hitch sat out McDavid when he was sick. Yet last year McDavid played for about 10 days with an apparently much worse illness. I know Hitch said he wanted to take the pressure off McDavid, that he shouldn’t have the full burden of the team on his shoulders. I forget the exact quote.

Stuaffer intimated on his show that McDavid learned from last year that trying to play through that type of sickness just extends the amount of time he’s effected and he pulled the chute himself.

Apparently he was so bad that they rented a room in the hotel for him to stay in during the day (team checked out as they flew to STL after the game)

Woodguy v2.0

leadfarmer:
Woodguy v2.0,

But we need a defenseman that is good in the offensive zone.Need a guy that can get the puck out of our zone and get it in the other zone and know what to do in that zone while still being good in his zone. Gudas Larsson Benning is playing with one hand tied behind your back in the offensive zone.So you almost automatically put Bouchard in the 2nd RHD slot because those guys either chip in the corner or chip it on net.No other options There’s zero creativity with that crew

I’m a bit old school in that I don’t worry about the offense coming from Dmen.

Its my opinion that Dmen help the offense the most by getting the puck back from the other team and get it going the other way.

ArmchairGM

Material Elvis:
Short of a buyout, we aren’t getting rid of Lucic without adding a serious sweetener.It’s a killer contract.Someone tried to warn us but we wouldn’t listen.

Retained salary after July 1st will be enough of a sweetener.

Professor Q

Dustylegnd: Nor is his friend Mariner…. he has really figured out that whole primary assist thing too….

This crop of Entrry level deals is going to blow salary caps to kingdom come

Mathews, Marner, Laine, Rantenen, Point….. the only team with easy room is Colorado

And that’s only because they’ve systematically gotten rid of most of their former superstars and stars and who’ve they’ve gotten for them (Duchene, O’Reilly, Stastny). They were supposed to be their core for playoff success…

Otherwise they would have to have traded them anyway in order to keep to the new and young talent.

Material Elvis

Ryan: I was partly just having some fun with OP’s lexicon, but the point wouldn’t be cap space. It would be the necessary evil to get him off the roster.

There are a few players who shouldn’t be on the roster next year. The question is how much pain is each anchor contract going to cost to dispose without taking something smelly in return? Maybe Hunter should run a Boat Anchor Contract Disposal Cost contest? Lucic, Spooner, Sekera(?), Kassian, Russell(?), am I missing anyone? I think Russell is tradeable given his performance this season so his cost would be the lowest. Lucic would be costly — a high pick or decent prospect. Sekera might be similar if his performance is awful.

Bulging Twine

Maybe if Talbot has a good game against STL they trade for him

Material Elvis

Scungilli Slushy: They’ll be trading players next summer. The Cap loves no team. Way too many paid forwards on the Leafs coming.

They’ll make trades, but I think they’ll make the correct ones. Dubas seems sharp — he will hang on to his top young forwards and supplement them with a solid prospect pool. They might lose Gardiner to UFA but should be able to maintain the rest. Pains me to say it but the Leafs have a great team.

JimmyV1965

I find it interesting that Hitch sat out McDavid when he was sick. Yet last year McDavid played for about 10 days with an apparently much worse illness. I know Hitch said he wanted to take the pressure off McDavid, that he shouldn’t have the full burden of the team on his shoulders. I forget the exact quote.

Wilde

I will say, though, that if Yamamoto and Puljujarvi’s player identities both lean towards play-drivers, carriers and playmakers, you may have to start drafting one-dimensional goalscorers to try to hit on one there.

Multidimensional goalscorers usually go #1 and #2 or as late as #5 unless they’re Russian, so you have to gamble on the Owen Tippets of the world, Oliver Wahlstrom, the Arthur Kaliyev, Cole Caufield.

Wilde

On the Kailer talk, by the way, his skating is high-end.

The reason that he doesn’t carry the puck through the neutral zone like Johnny is less to do with his feet and more to do with his hands which are good but not elite obviously.

Also, either directly or indirectly Todd McLellan’s teachings and system discouraged Yamamoto from carrying the puck through the neutral zone.

Again, his hands and skating are both high-end. I wouldn’t say either are elite (my definition is prohibitive) but they’re both assets and they both contribute to his ability at the junior and minor-league professional level to carry the puck in all three zones.

I think he both committed too hard to get his coach to like him and committed too hard to get his teammates to like him, resulting in him not hanging onto the puck for longer or attempting to beat checks or shoot the puck through them.

His audition last year was much closer to the player that he is and will be at the NHL level than his audition this year.

I believe he has the second quickest processor on the team and isn’t far away and I wouldn’t be as down on him as some are.

Wilde

I’d have made the Leivo one, and I loved Sprong as a target even before he was a buy-low candidate but I don’t like Sprong’s chances under Hitchcock.

Scungilli Slushy

Lucic’s contract was set up to trade to a Cap floor team. The majority of cash (actual money) paid up front, the Cap hit remaining.

Many teams struggle with paying cash out. As said the total offensive collapse was not predictable. The decline before the contract ended was predictable.

Buying him out next summer is shot to own foot. One player does not sink a team and Luc will be on the move or compliance bought out in the expansion year.

There are other things to do before prematurely buying the big man out, that will improve the team. Not that PC has shown any Cap skills so far.

BONE207

Ryan:

OriginalPouzar: Except that, while LTIR does provide some relief it is far from an ideal way to manage the cap.

Having knowledge that the player is never coming off LTIR is helpful as it does allow the team to use the full cushion, however, there remain many negatives including having to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season (or using the even less efficient off-season LTIR) and, of course, always being over the adjusted cap accrual threshold leading to no daily cap savings to bank for future acquisitions.

Notwithstanding the egregious impact on the Oilers’s salary cap, forr lack of better alternatives Lucic is a material candidate for a buyout this upcoming summer. The foregoing implications of said buyout are an implicitly egregiousconsequence in this course of action.

Shakespeare would love this: Kill all the lawyers, kill them tonight

Wilde

OriginalPouzar:
Leivo wasn’t free – the cost was a Caleb Jones level prospect.

OriginalPouzar:
Leivo wasn’t free – the cost was a Caleb Jones level prospect.

Do you have him (understandably) mixed up with Sprong here, who went for M. Pettersson?

Leivo went for an undrafted minor-leaguer who has having a good U23 season in the AHL after delivering shy offense during the age 20-21 seasons that usually point towards NHL futures in ex-CHLers.

I don’t rate Cercone and Jones on the same level at all, really, but Jones-Pettersson occupy the same tier imo.

Glovjuice

Side: Defending was the wrong word and I edited my comment above.

It’s very difficult to say when a deal is made whether it’s 100% negative or positive value overall when the contract is still in progress, which is why I like to look at the context of the time.

At the time of Cassandra’s statement, it was ridiculous, even knowing that the contract was too much for too long.

It’s only appearing to be “correct” now because Lucic took a turn no one expected and his production became near zero.MOST people predicted Lucic may decline a bit, but even after the first year people were expecting Lucic’s even strength totals to rebound.At the time, the contract was a bit more palatable if Lucic could maintain his career averages, knowing there would be a gradual decline as he got older.

But think about this, what if Lucic DID get a McDavid bump in his production and he actually put up higher totals than his usual production? Then comes last year where Lucic allegedly wanted a trade out of Edmonton because of personal reasons. Are you confident that Chiarelli wouldn’t be able to get a 7th pick or higher from Lucic under this circumstance?

I think Chiarelli could have fetched a 7th or higher.

Also, I find it interesting that Cassandra or others deride the intelligence of GMs across the NHL when it’s convenient for them.But when it comes to making grand statements like “Lucic isn’t worth a 7th round pick” this kind of statement is predicated on GMs suddenly being competent or intelligent enough to not make this kind of trade.If GMs are as incompetent as some suggest, then that would mean there is definitely the possibility that Lucic is still worth a 7th.

Cassandra tried to have it both ways.Depending on his narrative, he would argue that GMs are too competent or too incompetent.

When the foundation of all of his arguments is to make Chiarelli look as bad as possible, it’s hard to take anything he wrote with any kind of credibility.

The Lucic signing was hellishly bad the day it happened and is crippling the team beyond immediate repair. Cassandra was right. Lay off. Would Ladd, Backas, that joke in Van. et al. garner more than a 7th round pick at their current salary. Shit bro. No.

Scungilli Slushy

Material Elvis:
That Auston Matthews person has really figured out hockey puck shooting.Maybe the best shooter in the league?He’s not going to give the Leaves a sweetheart deal.

They’ll be trading players next summer. The Cap loves no team. Way too many paid forwards on the Leafs coming.

Ryan

Material Elvis: The moment Chiarelli gets any cap space to work with, he’ll likely turn around and sign another albatross UFA contract.So what’s the point?

I was partly just having some fun with OP’s lexicon, but the point wouldn’t be cap space. It would be the necessary evil to get him off the roster.

Dustylegnd

Material Elvis:
That Auston Matthews person has really figured out hockey puck shooting.Maybe the best shooter in the league?He’s not going to give the Leaves a sweetheart deal.

Nor is his friend Mariner…. he has really figured out that whole primary assist thing too….

This crop of Entrry level deals is going to blow salary caps to kingdom come

Mathews, Marner, Laine, Rantenen, Point….. the only team with easy room is Colorado

Material Elvis

That Auston Matthews person has really figured out hockey puck shooting. Maybe the best shooter in the league? He’s not going to give the Leaves a sweetheart deal.

PinkSocks

OriginalPouzar: Lucic is 30 – he’s not going to agree to go on LTIR without being injured.

Right but that’s the thing. He has to have some sort of an injury to fall of this steeply.

Further though; I’m not sure he wouldn’t agree to it. He’s a proud individual who may prefer being LTIR’d than receive the criticism and shame of playing the way he has for the last 2 years.

Material Elvis

Ryan: Notwithstanding the egregious impact on the Oilers’s salary cap, forr lack of better alternatives Lucic is a material candidate for a buyout this upcoming summer. The foregoing implications of said buyout are an implicitly egregiousconsequence in this course of action.

The moment Chiarelli gets any cap space to work with, he’ll likely turn around and sign another albatross UFA contract. So what’s the point?

Caller Zen

OriginalPouzar:

How do you (we) know he didn’t?

Leivo wasn’t free – the cost was a Caleb Jones level prospect.

Management did make an acquisition on the waiver wire that very well could pay off without the acquisition cost.

You mean give Chiarelli the benefit of the doubt that he inquired about Leivo? Hah!

LeBrun on Twitter said, “GM Jim Benning phoned Kyle Dubas this morning for the first time asking about Leivo and it got done rather quickly. Leivo should get a shot in the top 6 in Van. Could be a nice pickup”

But I’m with you – hoping the Zykov pick up pays dividends.

Gerta Rauss

Material Elvis: Someone tried to warn us but we wouldn’t listen.

lol

Material Elvis

Short of a buyout, we aren’t getting rid of Lucic without adding a serious sweetener. It’s a killer contract. Someone tried to warn us but we wouldn’t listen.

Material Elvis

Glovjuice: Zinc has some evidence as well.

Failing that and the vitamin D toxicity treatment, I hear toe of frog and eye of newt work well.

OriginalPouzar

PinkSocks: The leagues “investigation” of the Hossa and Zetterberg contracts were pathetic. LTIR should be used and then his contract can be traded for a minor asset.

Lucic is 30 – he’s not going to agree to go on LTIR without being injured.

OriginalPouzar

Caller Zen:
Josh Leivo scores in his first game as a Canuck …so tell me again why Chia didn’t pick up the phone and call Dubas?

How do you (we) know he didn’t?

Leivo wasn’t free – the cost was a Caleb Jones level prospect.

Management did make an acquisition on the waiver wire that very well could pay off without the acquisition cost.

Oz

Was last nights game a “Hich in ya giddy up”

OriginalPouzar

PinkSocks: Certainly I agree; but even though it isn’t an ideal way to manage the cap, it is much more favorable than having Lucic on the roster.

I have always been a Lucic fan too and wish for nothing more than him going on a 20G heater to close the season, but’s it’s pretty clear that the guy is done. He either needs to be place on LTIR until his contract expires or PC needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat and find a home for him.Like
JimmyV1965 said, he absolutely must not be on the roster October 2019.

I don’t think the Lucic would simply agree to head to LTIR for the remainder of his contract given no actual playing limiting injury – he’s not even 30 – I’m sure he wants to play the game.

Ryan

OriginalPouzar: Except that, while LTIR does provide some relief it is far from an ideal way to manage the cap.

Having knowledge that the player is never coming off LTIR is helpful as it does allow the team to use the full cushion, however, there remain many negatives including having to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season (or using the even less efficient off-season LTIR) and, of course, always being over the adjusted cap accrual threshold leading to no daily cap savings to bank for future acquisitions.

Notwithstanding the egregious impact on the Oilers’s salary cap, forr lack of better alternatives Lucic is a material candidate for a buyout this upcoming summer. The foregoing implications of said buyout are an implicitly egregious consequence in this course of action.

PinkSocks

Caller Zen:
Josh Leivo scores in his first game as a Canuck …so tell me again why Chia didn’t pick up the phone and call Dubas?

Because Zykov is a better prospect, younger, and free.

PinkSocks

Unrelated note watching the Wild & Canucks in the background this evening. Attendance in Vancouver is embarrassing. I know they suck; but they also have one of the best young prospects in the league who should be the rookie of the year. Big globs of empty red seats in both zones.

PinkSocks

OriginalPouzar: the league is investigating these situations much more than in the past.

The leagues “investigation” of the Hossa and Zetterberg contracts were pathetic. LTIR should be used and then his contract can be traded for a minor asset.

Caller Zen

Josh Leivo scores in his first game as a Canuck …so tell me again why Chia didn’t pick up the phone and call Dubas?

PinkSocks

OriginalPouzar: Except that, while LTIR does provide some relief it is far from an ideal way to manage the cap.

Having knowledge that the player is never coming off LTIR is helpful as it does allow the team to use the full cushion, however, there remain many negatives including having to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season (or using the even less efficient off-season LTIR) and, of course, always being over the adjusted cap accrual threshold leading to no daily cap savings to bank for future acquisitions.

Certainly I agree; but even though it isn’t an ideal way to manage the cap, it is much more favorable than having Lucic on the roster.

I have always been a Lucic fan too and wish for nothing more than him going on a 20G heater to close the season, but’s it’s pretty clear that the guy is done. He either needs to be place on LTIR until his contract expires or PC needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat and find a home for him. Like
JimmyV1965 said, he absolutely must not be on the roster October 2019.

Glovjuice

godot10:
Sunlight or the thing that sunlight produces in the body (vitamin D3) is the best cold and flu preventor.

Literally centuries of evidence.Flu outbreaks occur in winter, not in summer.The flu virus doesn’t disappear in the summer.It is present year round.

No patent or secret ingredient. And more certain than the flu shot (which even the authorities admit is hit or miss depending on how lucky they guess which form of the flu virus will be active that winter).And one avoids the mercury/thimerosal from the flu shot.

Zinc has some evidence as well.

flyfish1168

OriginalPouzar: Ryan Strome’s posession and goal share numbers with the Rangers are just awful

His RelGF% is -30.1% and his relative possession numbers are all hovering around -10%

His GF% is 30% and his CF% is 37% (the best of his possession metrics).

If Drake Caggiula is replacement level because of his posession and goal share metrics notwithstanding some points, Strome is not an NHL player based on the same.

I don’t know who his linemates are, But I’m sure they don’t help his metrics. We know his numbers can be better and he is capable.