Game 29 2018-19: Wild at Oilers

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers return from a quick two-game road trip (1-1-0) facing a difficult weekend against the Minnesota Wild and Calgary Flames. The team is 5-2-1 under Ken Hitchcock and looking to improve its record against the Western Conference and Pacific Division. 

Cooper Marody has been recalled from Bakersfield, with Patrick Russell going to California with an aching in his heart. Drake Caggiula has an injury that could involve significant time away from the active roster, but Valentin Zykov will play tonight. 

THE ATHLETIC


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  • New Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: An early look at Edmonton’s readiness for the 2021 expansion draft.
  • New Jonathan Willis: An $83 million salary cap opens up possibilities for the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Ken Hitchcock’s ‘to-do’ list of miracles a long one, involving 30 percent of the Oilers roster.
  • Jonathan Willis: Leon Draisaitl needs his own line and other lessons from a McDavid-less Oilers loss
  • Lowetide: Oilers farm team in Bakersfield coming to a boil with quality prospects, most exciting farm team in decades.
  • Lowetide: Finding Ken Hitchcock’s Oilers more productive wingers: Hard target search.
  • Dom Luszczyszyn: 31 Stats (Oilers content).
  • Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s waiver gamble on Valentin Zykov is one with the possibility of a surprisingly high-end payoff.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 29 GAMES

  • Oilers in 201512-15-2, 26 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2016: 14-11-4, 32 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 12-15-2, 26 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2018: 14-12-2, 30 points; goal differential -6

You want to believe this year’s team will nudge closer to the 2016 playoff McDavids but there are of course those small details best described as “McDavid Off” for your Edmonton Oilers. Ken Hitchcock is something close to a Godsend, but his string of miracles must continue. I can’t give you colors today, WordPress has made some changes and God knows when I’ll find the Crayola section. 

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 4-0-0, eight points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in December 2016: 2-0-2, six points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2017: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in December 2018: 2-1-0, four points; goal differential -1

It’s go time for this year’s team, badly need to rebound from the disappointment of November. Interesting to see the previous clubs post impressive goal differentials compared to their season total to this point in the campaign. One of the things I’d like to see from December is a positive overall goal differential. 

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 0-1-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota, Calgary (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Colorado, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, San Jose, Winnipeg (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 2-1-0, four points in three games

I expected a 2-2-0 week for the Oilers, the toughest road coming this weekend. Minnesota played last night, I projected Edmonton to take advantage. 

YOU MAKE THE CALL

I sense the fanbase is both curious about how this year’s novel is going to turn out (my guess: a dozen people stab the villain and Poirot decides he can’t charge anyone with murder) while also looking forward to seeing how Scoobs is going to get out of this jam come summer. 

So, let’s talk about it. If you were given the opportunity to run the Edmonton Oilers, what would you do? How would you find your way out of the darkness? 

I think the first thing to identify is the inner circle of the cluster, led by Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl and Oscar Klefbom. Next, identify the players who are untradeable and likely here until the lockout in 2020: Milan Lucic. 

Next there’s a group who are likely to be retained, but don’t quite reach that inner circle: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Adam Larsson, Darnell Nurse and Jesse Puljujarvi. Added to that is the group who have some relief from no movement and could be dealt in the summer: Andrej Sekera, Kris Russell. 

Next we have a group of veterans who are NHL players but are signed to contracts that exceed actual value: Ryan Spooner, Zack Kassian, Kyle Brodziak. 

That’s followed by role players who fill spots on the roster and sometimes play elevated roles: Jujhar Khaira, Matt Benning, Ty Rattie, Valentin Zykov.

After that, it’s free agents who you may or may not want to sign: Alex Chiasson, Cam Talbot, Mikko Koskinen, Chris Wideman, Jason Garrison, Kevin Gravel. 

At the end of the line, there are hopefuls in the minors and in junior. Names like Evan Bouchard, Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson, Ryan McLeod, Ethan Bear and others who are either NHL-ready or matriculating in that direction. 

What does your 2019-20 Oilers lineup look like? If you post yours in the comments section I’ll grab one or two for discussion in the Saturday post. Here’s mine:

  • Jakob Silfverberg—McDavid—Kailer Yamamoto
  • Khaira—Nugent-Hopkins—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Rieder—Draisaitl—Chiasson
  • Caggiula—Spooner—Kassian
  • Lucic, Brodziak

This unicorn center lineup uses the Dave Keon (young wingers), Norm Ullman (veteran wingers) theory in order to increase scoring. Nuge as Keon. Lucic and Brodziak are listed as extra forwards but as you know those players get a lot of games, too. 

DRAISAITL AS THE MODERN MAHOVLICH

I keep reading about Leon Draisaitl as being lazy or slow—or both, and I have to say it’s baffling to me. There are worthy criticisms of the player, his coverage and defensive reads have me thinking he may well play his career on the wing. He also fades later in shifts and his shift lengths are 55 seconds and maybe they should be shorter (Barkov and Kopitar, also big men, are 49 seconds). 

Lazy? I don’t think so. I’m reminded of Frank Mahovlich, who was often criticized for the same sins. Big Frank had a long stride and often looked like the wind blew him into scoring position, but he did in fact work hard at the game of hockey. As does Leon. 

We can agree the Oilers should have better depth and that Leon’s usage is beyond reasonable (as is the case with 97 and, increasingly, 77). I believe Leon Draisaitl is an outstanding NHL player, and the numbers (on pace for 88 points) confirm. 

MARODY RECALLED

Cooper Marody earned another recall on Thursday, coming off a brilliant three-assist performance against the Manitoba Moose on Wednesday. He is skilled, right handed and along with Valentin Zykov could give the Oilers a very different look on the power play. 

CAGGIULA ON IR

In the late summer, I had a longer look at Drake Caggiula’s Oilers career and found something interesting. I looked for a 40-game period where he had a full stretch of games in a specific spot in the batting order. Never happened. Injuries, playing out of position and being yanked up and down the lineup meant getting a clear view of the player has been impossible. I’m not suggesting we are looking at an impact player here, but his injury this time comes during a period where he (in my opinion) was playing some of his best hockey as an Oiler. Sometimes it doesn’t work out, and for Caggiula injuries are eating up a substantial amount of his career.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, all starts at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. We’ll chat Rockin’ pneumonia and the McDavid flu, what Dad wants for Christmas and the possibility of a Flames-Leafs final. 
  • Andrew Peard, Oil Kings PBP. It’s the Teddy Bear toss game tomorrow, we’ll find out when Fix-Wolansky will score. 
  • Matthew Iwanyk, TSN1260. Should the Oilers trade that 2019 first-round pick for a first-shot scorer?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio! 

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dessert1111

2018/19:

Benson – McDavid – Yamamoto
Rieder – Draisalt – Marody/Cagguila
Zykov – RNH – Puljujarvi
Lucic – Spooner – Chiasson
Brodziak, Khaira

I think a trade/signing of one more winger (the 2RW spot indicated here) would be ideal unless we see a couple second half surges. Not enough cover as is.

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

Nyquist—McDavid—Kailer Yamamoto
Nugent-Hopkins—Draisaitl—Jesse Puljujarvi
Rieder—E. Staal—Chiasson
Lucic—Khaira—Kassian
Zykov, Caggiula

Klefbomb-Larsson
Nurse-Russel
Sekera-Bouchard
Benning

Lehner-Koskinen

DBO

Wouldn’t keep spooner. doesn’t bring enough.

And how did you get rid of Lucic on your lineup? Tonya Harding him?

Zykov-McDavid-Yamamoto (Zykov shooter and size, Yamamoto seems to play best with skill)
Khaira-Draisatl-Puljujarvi (big and fast line. Khaira the two way, Jesse with the wheels and Drai the trigger man)
Reider-Nuge-Marody (two way line, with enough skill and speed to play with anyone)
Lucic-Brodziak-Cagguila (with Hitch the coach, and no way to dump Lucic, I expect Kassian to be the trade bait. If you could dump Lucic then keep Kassian)

With Benson pushing along with Mcleod the following season, this is a young team, who as long as we don’t kill our cap with a dumb old man UFA this summer, would be poised to keep this group rolling.

LMHF#1

I’m wondering if you can’t cook up a fairly large trade with St. Louis. Now is the time when you attempt to snag guys like Tarasenko and Parayko. I don’t know if it can be done, but as GM I’d be willing to part with a lot to do it.

The other thing would be to clear out players with high cost and little value – almost no matter what it takes. This team needs cap space. Period. There are way too many opportunities being missed because the squad is maxed out. Lucic + Russell basically equals John Tavares…or 2 more Adam Larssons…think about what that team looks like.

Lucic, Russell, Spooner, Kassian…basically come hell or high water…

I would be completely open to moving #98, and draft picks as well. I don’t believe in the ‘long road’ in modern sports leagues. That’s not how this works any longer. If you wait…someone will blow by you and your time will never come. That’s why they needed to go for it 2 seasons ago, and that’s why you must always be looking at every single chance to improve your team…even if good players go out for other good players.

Dicky94

Big game tonight! Oilers will have to be ready for the Wilds big push in the 1st. Should be all Oilers after that. Off to pound Led Zeppelin songs all day now.

Doug McLachlan

Tired Minnesota team coming in after a tough loss to the Flames down the road last night. Injury to Koivu’s knee that may keep him out of the line-up or at least slow him down a bit. Ripe for the picking so the Oilers should only be down one going into the third. Seriously, I love the tight hockey and the Hitch-wins but wouldn’t you love to just blow somebody out by a field-goal, or a touchdown – just to know we can still do it?

One verbal nugget has been kicking around in my head for over a week now and wanted to get it out. Hitchcock has repeatedly used the expression “hold their ice” when referring to players going to the net and creating chaos and, presumably, offensive opportunities. It seems pretty standard coach-speak except that I remember in the summer when TMac was discussing Rattie’s fine performance one pre-season game as evidence of his mastering the art of “arriving in time” to make a play. Not sure if this necessarily embodies a vastly different mindset between the coaches (static vs flow) or not but it did strike me as noteworthy. Have at it.

Oilers just completed their second Best of Seven victory of the season, another 4-1 win after two straight series losses. They start a new Best of Seven tonight against the Wild – get at ‘er boys.

Current series: Oilers tied 0-0
Fifth Series: Oilers win 4-1 in Game 5 OT
Fourth Series: Oilers lose 2-4
Third Series: Oilers lose 1-4
Second Series Oilers win 4-1
First Series: Oilers lose 3-4 in Game 7 OT

Woodguy v2.0

Oiler Goal Share after 28 games (14-12-2)

Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
McDavid On Ice 25-19 (57%)
McDavid Off Ice 24-36 (40%)
EV=-6

Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
21-22
ST=-1

Empty Net:
3-8
EN= -5

SO
1-0

SO=+1

Net Goal Differential -11

Woodguy v2.0

HITCHCOCK ERA:
Oiler Goal Share after 8 games (5-2-1)

Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
McDavid On Ice 5-5 (50%)
McDavid Off Ice 6-8 (43%)
Net EV -2

Special Teams (PP+SH For – PK+SH Against):
4-3
Net ST +1

Empty Net:
1-3
Net EN -2

SO
1-0
SO=+1

Net Goal Differential -2

jtblack

“but there are of course those small details best described as “McDavid Off” for your”

Small Details ….. and LT has me laughing at 9 a.m.

well done

jtblack

5-2-1 under Hitchcock.

Have the Oilers made up any ground during that time?

I posted last week … the reality is, for this team to reach 94 points they need a record similiar to this:

30-19-5 in their final 54 … That’s doable but TOUGH sledding …

Go Hitch. Go Oilers

Woodguy v2.0

Western Conference Playoff standings using points percentage. Expressed as “games over/under fake Bettman .500”

Central
NSH 10
COL 10
WPG 9

Pacific
CGY 9
ANA 5
SJS 4

Wildcard
DAL 5
MIN 4
—————–
Out of Playoffs
VGK 3
EDM 2
ARI 1
VAN -4
STL -4
CHI -7
LAK -8

CGY, VGK and VAN won last night. LAK and ARI lost.

Tonight’s Pacific games:

SJS at DAL
MIN at EDM
CAR at ANA

SJS and EDM are *slight* betting favourites (-125 SJS, -115 EDM) whereas ANA is a small dog (+130)

MIN is on 3rd in 4 nights and 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities. The history of teams in this spot is ~35% win rate.

That said, MIN was in EDM Oct 30th on the 3rd in 4 night, 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities and they beat EDM 4-3 (although EDM was the better team imo)

Winnable game for the good guys.

Hope they don’t shit the bed.

*claplcap*

Bling

Drai is having a great year.

I think his d-zone effort was a bit suspect earlier in the year, but in fairness to him he was dragging Lucic around. He has improved dramatically in that department.

Drai has an uncanny ability to pass at an elite level on his forehand AND backhand. I find that this part of his game is wasted playing on the wing and along the wall. It’s much better for him to work through the middle of the ice.

I suspect this is all temporary, until one or two of the young wingers establish themselves.

who

I would trade Kassian, Benning and Cagguila just to get their contracts off the books. Sucks that Cagguila is hurt because he is the one guy you would be able to get an asset for. You might get something for Benning. Kassian would be a giveaway but you are creating cap space.
I don’t think you can give Spooner away, and we know Lucic is impossible, but trading the first three and replacing them with 700,000 players would give you 3.2 million in cap space.
If you extend Koskinen at 3.5 and spend another 2.5 on the 2nd goalie you have another million in cap space.
These savings might give you enough money to bring in one quality winger or dman next year. Or you hang on to the money and next years lineup looks like this;
Zykov McDavid Rattie
Rieder Drai Chiasson
Khaira Nuge JP
Lucic Brodziak Marody
Spooner Russell

Klefbom Larsson
Nurse Russell
Sekera Bear
Gravel

Koskinen, ?

This lineup looks eerily similar to this years but you do have 4 million in cap space so you could bring in 1 significantl player. Keep in mind some of the cap space may be eaten up by small raises to Rieder, Chiasson, Gravel and JP.
You could also hope for some guys like Yamamoto, Benson, Hebig, Bouchard, Jones or Lagesson to push a more expensive veteran out. This could easily happen on defense. It may allow you to trade Russell, Sekera or Nurse which creates some more cap space to improve in another area.

Bar_Qu

LMHF#1,

Tyler Dellow did a look at Lucic a few weeks back, making the case that he should be bought out this summer. He figured out it was $2.375M for 2 years after, then $1.83M and decreasing after that. His argument was that it wasn’t that much cap savings, but the Oil could get a winger at $2M who would bring so much more than he does. Plus it alleviates the “where should Lucic play?” questions that are constantly swirling around this team.

Fire Chiarelli late spring, and the new GM can do the buyout to prove their disconnection from previous management models (“good in the room!” “character!”).

I’d also argue trading Russel with a little money retained at the deadline too. Some contender will over pay for a vet D.

My suggestion for the future is watching the waiver wire and picking up a Dano if they appear. The Zykov bet is a good one, and there will be more that appear, imo.

Bag of Pucks

When they traded Hall, the conversations had to be along the lines of:

A) We’re giving up the best player in this deal but we’re filling a gap at D that is absolutely killing us. Plus Connor and Leon need to be locked up. Katz wants this.

B) We just drafted a stud W who should be in our Top 6 this year or next at the latest

C) Lucic is a decent replacement at LW. We’re giving up too much term here given his age but he’s a proven scorer and should have 3-4 good years left.

This is the problem with rationalization. At the time B and C seemed like reasonable scenarios. But 2 1/2 years later, Hall’s won the Hart, JP is trending to Yakupov redux and Lucic is a 4th liner. Those are the franchise altering moves right there.

The Hockey Gods gave us Connor but getting Laine too was more than they would tolerate.

Now the only thing that quickly solves this is Milan and Jesse reclaiming their mojo or Benson and Marody going ballistic. Let’s hope the new HC can help with that.

smellyglove

Flames, Leaves Stanley Cup final? Oh Mr. Mitchell, why do you torment us so?

dustrock

LMHF#1:
I’m wondering if you can’t cook up a fairly large trade with St. Louis. Now is the time when you attempt to snag guys like Tarasenko and Parayko. I don’t know if it can be done, but as GM I’d be willing to part with a lot to do it.

The other thing would be to clear out players with high cost and little value – almost no matter what it takes. This team needs cap space. Period. There are way too many opportunities being missed because the squad is maxed out. Lucic + Russell basically equals John Tavares…or 2 more Adam Larssons…think about what that team looks like.

Lucic, Russell, Spooner, Kassian…basically come hell or high water…

I would be completely open to moving #98, and draft picks as well. I don’t believe in the ‘long road’ in modern sports leagues. That’s not how this works any longer. If you wait…someone will blow by you and your time will never come. That’s why they needed to go for it 2 seasons ago, and that’s why you must always be looking at every single chance to improve your team…even if good players go out for other good players.

I agree with all of this.

Keep McDavid Drai Nuge Klef Larsson, honestly I’m fine with trading anybody else.

I think it’s a good time to trade Nurse (I’ll keep beating this drum) and I’m not sold on Puljujarvi.

What’s more likely at this point? That Jesse has a switch go off in his brain and becomes a star player? Or else he averages out as a decent 2nd or 3rd line wing option with maybe some PP2 if he’s hot?

You know who Puljujarvi reminds me of, not it playing style at all, but in general “meh, with occasional flashes of brilliance”?

Radek Dvorak. He was a fine player. Once in a while he’d do something stunning but otherwise kinda didnt stand out, at least to me.

Durag

If I’m running the show, I keep the powder dry again for 2019-20 and probably end up with a year that looks pretty similar to this one.

Without doing a deep dive into this summer’s free agent crop, I would try to stay away from giving term to anyone (unless there is a bonafide scoring winger under 29 who is willing to commit) while trying to create enough competition in camp that Yamamoto, Benson, Marody, McLeod, Maksimov, Safin, Samurokov, Bear, Jones, Persson, Lagesson and maybe even Puljujarvi are NOT penciled in for NHL jobs. If a full season in the AHL is what’s best for those players and the organization, then make it so.

Shuffle out as much of the deadwood as possible. Keep picks, acquire picks and have another good draft. Retain Chiarelli in some sort of director of scouting role if possible while doing a thorough search for a new GM.

So my 19-20 Oilers look something like:

Nuge—McDavid—Puljujarvi
Rieder—Draisaitl—Spooner
Caggiula—UFA—Zykov
Lucic—Brodziak—Khaira

Klefbom—Larsson
Nurse—UFA/Sekera
UFA/Sekera—Benning

Koskinen—UFA

So I’ve found a way to ditch Russel and Kassian and am waiting for some kind of expansion amnesty to buy out Lucic. Jesse has absorbed enough Hitchcock Jedi wisdom to become a useful top 6 forward.

It’s the sort of roster that will make me scream at my TV for a lot of the year, but hopefully sets up 2020-21 with a lot of cap flexibility, no core players moved out, maximum draft picks retained and some overripe prospects on the farm to plug in or trade.

DBO

And as for in season trades, that fit Hitch and the need to make playoffs this year.

UFA fits that work with Hitch
– Go get Simmonds from Philly.Not sure for what, but it fills a bunch of needs. And with Philly struggling he could be available.

– No idea on defenseman. won’t be a UFA and I wonder how much it takes to get a top end guy. AS LT is fond of saying, keep your powder dry.

geowal

“What does your 2018-19 Oilers lineup look like? If you post yours in the comments section I’ll grab one or two for discussion in the Saturday post. ”

I assume you mean 2019-2020

106 and 106

They just don’t have the horses.

LT, we can keep switching out the lines but it doesn’t change the ceiling this team has.

Try this with Leafs wingers instead:

Marleau – McDavid – Marner
Hyman – Drai – Nylander
Johnsson – RNH – Kapanen
Ennis – Brodziak – Brown

Where would Rattie/Spooner/Khaira/Drake/Lucic/Kassian even fit on here?

Answer: They wouldn’t.

Folks, it’s a 85-90 point Oilers team this year. Sure, they go on a heater, make Round 1 of the playoffs. But depth is a thing.

We’re swapping Marody for Russell and hoping for wins. Wouldn’t even make practice 5th line on a great team.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– Good one LT:

Teravainen-McD-Kailer
Reider-Drai-Pool
Kharia-RNH-Chiasson
Lucic-Marody-Kassian/Benson/Rattie/Caggs

Klef-Larsson
Nurse-Parayko
Sek-Bouchard
Russell

Koski-Best G in our system after this year/Vet

– Benning, Jones/Bear as trade for a Parayko type RHD upgrade that will make Nurse solid

Chaos Magician

Lowetide are you saying we need Miss Marple?

Caribbeerman

Jeff Skinner – CMD – Drai
Rieder – RNH – Puljujarvi
Kharia – Marody – Yamamoto
Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian
* Spooner * Zykov

Big-time 1st Line.
Emerging, reliable 2nd line.
Some developmental potential on 3rd line.
Identity 4th line (Lucic might be gone somehow)
Depth cover in Spooner & Zykov – Benson to be called up by December 2019.

hunter1909

Woodguy v2.0:
Western Conference Playoff standings using points percentage.Expressed as “games over/under fake Bettman .500”

Central
NSH10
COL10
WPG9

Pacific
CGY9
ANA5
SJS4

Wildcard
DAL5
MIN4
—————–
Out of Playoffs
VGK3
EDM2
ARI1
VAN-4
STL-4
CHI-7
LAK-8

CGY, VGK and VAN won last night. LAK and ARI lost.

Tonight’s Pacific games:

SJS at DAL
MIN at EDM
CAR at ANA

SJS and EDM are *slight* betting favourites (-125 SJS, -115 EDM) whereas ANA is a small dog (+130)

MIN is on 3rd in 4 nights and 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities.The history of teams in this spot is ~35% win rate.

That said, MIN was in EDM Oct 30th on the 3rd in 4 night, 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities and they beat EDM 4-3 (although EDM was the better team imo)

Winnable game for the good guys.

Hope they don’t shit the bed.

*claplcap*

Amazing that Hitchcock has them playing at a 5-2-1 (113points) pace but with everything factored in including the Leafs/Flames success it actually seems like they’re going at a 2-5-1 pace.

stevebergeron97

Benson McDavid Stone
Leon Nuge Pulju
Rieder Marody Zykov
Khaira Brodz Rattie

Klef/Larsson
Russel/Bouchard
Lagesson/Jones/Bear

stephen sheps

2018-19 seems pretty set now.

19-20 on the other hand…(note this will not actually happen and I’m not even convinced I like my own plan)

93-97-8
Tarasenko-29-22
98-65-56 (new kid line, why not? It worked in 1990)
16-28-39
91, 52

77-6
2-Bouchard
5-83
C.Jones

19
New backup

Lucic and Nurse traded to Stl for Tarasenko, salary retained on Lucic
Russell traded to whomever offers the best non-player return
Talbot traded to Philly for a mid-round pick and a B-list prospect
Mikko gets a raise to 4.1×2. Backup tbd since goalers are voodoo
The two Swedish defenders come over and make their AHL debuts (Persson becomes a top call up option)
Benson becomes the top recall option for a winger, McCleod as top centre recall option, though Nuge slides into a top 6 role and JJ into a bottom 6 role in the middle as needed to avoid such things if possible.

bendelson

Rieder-Drai-Niederreiter

I don’t know how it happens… but want to see it, nevertheless.

LMHF#1

Bar_Qu:
LMHF#1,

Tyler Dellow did a look at Lucic a few weeks back, making the case that he should be bought out this summer. He figured out it was $2.375M for 2 years after, then $1.83M and decreasing after that. His argument was that it wasn’t that much cap savings, but the Oil could get a winger at $2M who would bring so much more than he does. Plus it alleviates the “where should Lucic play?” questions that are constantly swirling around this team.

Fire Chiarelli late spring, and the new GM can do the buyout to prove their disconnection from previous management models (“good in the room!” “character!”).

I’d also argue trading Russel with a little money retained at the deadline too. Some contender will over pay for a vet D.

My suggestion for the future is watching the waiver wire and picking up a Dano if they appear. The Zykov bet is a good one, and there will be more that appear, imo.

Does the gap between buying out Lucic and trading him with a pick/value player make more sense one way or another…i guess that’s the question.

And Russell can certainly find a market as despite his massive flaws he plays a game that’s popular with the old school – it’s whether he’ll go or not I suppose.

JimmyV1965

Caribbeerman:
Jeff Skinner – CMD – Drai
Rieder – RNH – Puljujarvi
Kharia – Marody – Yamamoto
Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian
* Spooner * Zykov

Big-time 1st Line.
Emerging, reliable 2nd line.
Some developmental potential on 3rd line.
Identity 4th line (Lucic might be gone somehow)
Depth cover in Spooner & Zykov – Benson to be called up by December 2019.

Skinner’s asking price is said to be $9 mill.

Melman

Bag of Pucks,

This is a good synopsis and also highlights the ineptitude of the decision. I’m sure there are rare examples, but the golden rule of whoever gets the best player wins the trade is a golden rule for a reason. 4 quarters for a dollar never gets you more than a handful of meh. There is never a good skill reason to rationalize trading away the best player in the deal, and this organization’s Achilles heel that has plagued them for more than a decade is that belief in rationalization and that they are the smartest person in the room. Keeping Hall and fixing the D by other means was always the better decision.

JimmyV1965

stephen sheps:
2018-19 seems pretty set now.

19-20 on the other hand…(note this will not actually happen and I’m not even convinced I like my own plan)

93-97-8
Tarasenko-29-22
98-65-56 (new kid line, why not? It worked in 1990)
16-28-39
91, 52

77-6
2-Bouchard
5-83
C.Jones

19
New backup

Lucic and Nurse traded to Stl for Tarasenko, salary retained on Lucic
Russell traded to whomever offers the best non-player return
Talbot traded to Philly for a mid-round pick and a B-list prospect
Mikko gets a raise to 4.1×2. Backup tbd since goalers are voodoo
The two Swedish defenders come over and make their AHL debuts (Persson becomes a top call up option)
Benson becomes the top recall option for a winger, McCleod as top centre recall option, though Nuge slides into a top 6 role and JJ into a bottom 6 role in the middle as needed to avoid such things if possible.

Would love to get Tarasenko but I assume the asking price would be a 1st, Nurse, JP and one of our dmen prospects.

Side

Pittsburgh is kinda lucking out this year… 29 points is good enough for 3rd in their division and they only have to really worry about NYR, NYI, PHI and CAR.

Compared to Oilers who are 5th in the division with 30 and ARI and VAN in striking distance and only LA being really out of it.

LMHF#1

dustrock: I agree with all of this.

Keep McDavid Drai Nuge Klef Larsson, honestly I’m fine with trading anybody else.

I think it’s a good time to trade Nurse (I’ll keep beating this drum) and I’m not sold on Puljujarvi.

What’s more likely at this point?That Jesse has a switch go off in his brain and becomes a star player?Or else he averages out as a decent 2nd or 3rd line wing option with maybe some PP2 if he’s hot?

You know who Puljujarvi reminds me of, not it playing style at all, but in general “meh, with occasional flashes of brilliance”?

Radek Dvorak.He was a fine player.Once in a while he’d do something stunning but otherwise kinda didnt stand out, at least to me.

I’d agree on JP seeming similar to Dvorak – maybe with a better shot and some physical tools. And if that’s all you can get for him (a lower level something, rather than another team thinking he can become a star), then keep him and sign him at an affordable rate. If there are 5 GMs out there that think they can “save him”, then go get your winger or preferably RHD with him.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Everyone is looking at the wrong player coming back in these transactions

Find a way out of Looch and maybe Russel, I’d consider perhaps maybe Sekera but I’m not rolling the dice on that until we get a look at him later this year. If you want to dump some of the tweeners go ahead but the biggest amount of space opens up after next season.

Don’t waste your money on Tarasenko and be prepared to dust off something that many haven’t had the heart to let go of yet.

Taylor Hall will be an Oiler when he hist free agency – he”ll be back to finish what he started.

Bruce McCurdy

DBO:

And how did you get rid of Lucic on your lineup? Tonya Harding him?

“Tonya Harding” isn’t a verb.

“Gillooly” is the verb you’re looking for.

DBO

Bruce McCurdy,

Ha. Right

texmex

SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

Stauffer……….is that you?

He hinted at this s couple of times on his show.

Melman

Rieder-McDavid-Kreider
Zykov-Draisatl-Chaisson
Khaira-RNH-JP
Spooner-Brodziak-Kassian
Lucic-Rattie

DBO

SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
Everyone is looking at the wrong player coming back in these transactions

Find a way out of Looch and maybe Russel, I’d consider perhaps maybe Sekera but I’m not rolling the dice on that until we get a look at him later this year. If you want to dump some of the tweeners go ahead but the biggest amount of space opens up after next season.

Don’t waste your money on Tarasenko and be prepared to dust off something that many haven’t had the heart to let go of yet.

Taylor Hall will be an Oiler when he hist free agency – he”ll be back to finish what he started.

Taylor will only be an Oiler if Chiarelli is gone. He was pissed. And he is going to get $8 million plus. Can we afford that?

Andy Dufresne

2019-20 Go for Broke. Indoctrinate ourselves into the faster less physical NHL

To start the season, (hoping JP and Yamo can move their way up the lineup.)

RNH McDavid Rattie
Silfverberg Draisaitl Chaisson
Zykov JJ JP
Benson Marody Yamamoto

Reider Lucic

Reider Rattie Chaisson are all interchangable Top Six RW. Until JP or Yamo work thier way into the top six.

All of Kassian, Cagguila, Spooner, traded away / given away to create cap space.

Give Spooner away and trade Benning and a Pick for a 2RHD (at this years trade deadline). Spooner and Benning equals $5m cap space to pay new RHD.

Klefbom Larsson
Nurse RHD
Sekera Russell
Gravel Bouchard

Koskinen, Talbot

(picked Silfverberg because he fills a need and fits the budget)

Losing Cagguila, Benning, and Kassian is going to put dent in our “toughness quotient” but you can’t have it both ways in todays NHL.

Lucic, Nurse and JJ will have to be enough “enforcement patrol officers”.

Kassian, Cagguila, Benning and Spooner are all Chiarelli guys. SO for all of this to happen (unless he adapts quickly to the new reality and is willing to swallow his pride) Chiarelli has got to go.

OriginalPouzar

As per Reid Wilkins:

Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson
Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
Zykov-Spooner-Rattie
Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian

Oilers expected line combos for tonight against the Wild.

Klefbom-Larrson
Nurse-Russell
Gravel-Benning

Talbot probable starter in net.

OriginalPouzar

Just doesn’t make sense to me the keep Drai with McDavid if they aren’t producing at 5 on 5 – which they haven’t for about 4 games now.

With that said, their non-production at 5 on 5 lines up with when Chiasson was added to the line and, more than anything, I think its important to have him moved off – I see Rattie replacing him during the game if that line isn’t “going”.

Bruce McCurdy

Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

1) Just stop it.
2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

npanciroli

Chiasson just isn’t working on the top line for me. Rattie or even Zykov I would try.

dustrock

Zykov-Spooner-Rattie is an interesting line.

Side

Bruce McCurdy:
Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

1) Just stop it.
2) i get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada, reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

Soon it will be:

“Leon is a cancer, that’s why the Oilers are losing. McDavid’s parents went to Chiarelli to have Leon traded.”

dustrock

LMHF#1,

Yes, agreed. Not saying Jesse on the Oilers is useless, just if there’s an idea around the league that he’s salvageable, sell high.

Ditto with Nurse.

linkfromhyrule

dustrock: Yes, agreed. Not saying Jesse on the Oilers is useless, just if there’s an idea around the league that he’s salvageable, sell high.

I’m lmao at the idea that the Oilers reputation for incompetence could allow us to sell high on a prospect that isn’t panning out.