Game 29 2018-19: Wild at Oilers

The Edmonton Oilers return from a quick two-game road trip (1-1-0) facing a difficult weekend against the Minnesota Wild and Calgary Flames. The team is 5-2-1 under Ken Hitchcock and looking to improve its record against the Western Conference and Pacific Division. 

Cooper Marody has been recalled from Bakersfield, with Patrick Russell going to California with an aching in his heart. Drake Caggiula has an injury that could involve significant time away from the active roster, but Valentin Zykov will play tonight. 

THE ATHLETIC


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  • New Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: An early look at Edmonton’s readiness for the 2021 expansion draft.
  • New Jonathan Willis: An $83 million salary cap opens up possibilities for the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Ken Hitchcock’s ‘to-do’ list of miracles a long one, involving 30 percent of the Oilers roster.
  • Jonathan Willis: Leon Draisaitl needs his own line and other lessons from a McDavid-less Oilers loss
  • Lowetide: Oilers farm team in Bakersfield coming to a boil with quality prospects, most exciting farm team in decades.
  • Lowetide: Finding Ken Hitchcock’s Oilers more productive wingers: Hard target search.
  • Dom Luszczyszyn: 31 Stats (Oilers content).
  • Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s waiver gamble on Valentin Zykov is one with the possibility of a surprisingly high-end payoff.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 29 GAMES

  • Oilers in 201512-15-2, 26 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2016: 14-11-4, 32 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 12-15-2, 26 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2018: 14-12-2, 30 points; goal differential -6

You want to believe this year’s team will nudge closer to the 2016 playoff McDavids but there are of course those small details best described as “McDavid Off” for your Edmonton Oilers. Ken Hitchcock is something close to a Godsend, but his string of miracles must continue. I can’t give you colors today, WordPress has made some changes and God knows when I’ll find the Crayola section. 

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 4-0-0, eight points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in December 2016: 2-0-2, six points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2017: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in December 2018: 2-1-0, four points; goal differential -1

It’s go time for this year’s team, badly need to rebound from the disappointment of November. Interesting to see the previous clubs post impressive goal differentials compared to their season total to this point in the campaign. One of the things I’d like to see from December is a positive overall goal differential. 

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 0-1-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota, Calgary (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Colorado, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, San Jose, Winnipeg (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 2-1-0, four points in three games

I expected a 2-2-0 week for the Oilers, the toughest road coming this weekend. Minnesota played last night, I projected Edmonton to take advantage. 

YOU MAKE THE CALL

I sense the fanbase is both curious about how this year’s novel is going to turn out (my guess: a dozen people stab the villain and Poirot decides he can’t charge anyone with murder) while also looking forward to seeing how Scoobs is going to get out of this jam come summer. 

So, let’s talk about it. If you were given the opportunity to run the Edmonton Oilers, what would you do? How would you find your way out of the darkness? 

I think the first thing to identify is the inner circle of the cluster, led by Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl and Oscar Klefbom. Next, identify the players who are untradeable and likely here until the lockout in 2020: Milan Lucic. 

Next there’s a group who are likely to be retained, but don’t quite reach that inner circle: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Adam Larsson, Darnell Nurse and Jesse Puljujarvi. Added to that is the group who have some relief from no movement and could be dealt in the summer: Andrej Sekera, Kris Russell. 

Next we have a group of veterans who are NHL players but are signed to contracts that exceed actual value: Ryan Spooner, Zack Kassian, Kyle Brodziak. 

That’s followed by role players who fill spots on the roster and sometimes play elevated roles: Jujhar Khaira, Matt Benning, Ty Rattie, Valentin Zykov.

After that, it’s free agents who you may or may not want to sign: Alex Chiasson, Cam Talbot, Mikko Koskinen, Chris Wideman, Jason Garrison, Kevin Gravel. 

At the end of the line, there are hopefuls in the minors and in junior. Names like Evan Bouchard, Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson, Ryan McLeod, Ethan Bear and others who are either NHL-ready or matriculating in that direction. 

What does your 2019-20 Oilers lineup look like? If you post yours in the comments section I’ll grab one or two for discussion in the Saturday post. Here’s mine:

  • Jakob Silfverberg—McDavid—Kailer Yamamoto
  • Khaira—Nugent-Hopkins—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Rieder—Draisaitl—Chiasson
  • Caggiula—Spooner—Kassian
  • Lucic, Brodziak

This unicorn center lineup uses the Dave Keon (young wingers), Norm Ullman (veteran wingers) theory in order to increase scoring. Nuge as Keon. Lucic and Brodziak are listed as extra forwards but as you know those players get a lot of games, too. 

DRAISAITL AS THE MODERN MAHOVLICH

I keep reading about Leon Draisaitl as being lazy or slow—or both, and I have to say it’s baffling to me. There are worthy criticisms of the player, his coverage and defensive reads have me thinking he may well play his career on the wing. He also fades later in shifts and his shift lengths are 55 seconds and maybe they should be shorter (Barkov and Kopitar, also big men, are 49 seconds). 

Lazy? I don’t think so. I’m reminded of Frank Mahovlich, who was often criticized for the same sins. Big Frank had a long stride and often looked like the wind blew him into scoring position, but he did in fact work hard at the game of hockey. As does Leon. 

We can agree the Oilers should have better depth and that Leon’s usage is beyond reasonable (as is the case with 97 and, increasingly, 77). I believe Leon Draisaitl is an outstanding NHL player, and the numbers (on pace for 88 points) confirm. 

MARODY RECALLED

Cooper Marody earned another recall on Thursday, coming off a brilliant three-assist performance against the Manitoba Moose on Wednesday. He is skilled, right handed and along with Valentin Zykov could give the Oilers a very different look on the power play. 

CAGGIULA ON IR

In the late summer, I had a longer look at Drake Caggiula’s Oilers career and found something interesting. I looked for a 40-game period where he had a full stretch of games in a specific spot in the batting order. Never happened. Injuries, playing out of position and being yanked up and down the lineup meant getting a clear view of the player has been impossible. I’m not suggesting we are looking at an impact player here, but his injury this time comes during a period where he (in my opinion) was playing some of his best hockey as an Oiler. Sometimes it doesn’t work out, and for Caggiula injuries are eating up a substantial amount of his career.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, all starts at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. We’ll chat Rockin’ pneumonia and the McDavid flu, what Dad wants for Christmas and the possibility of a Flames-Leafs final. 
  • Andrew Peard, Oil Kings PBP. It’s the Teddy Bear toss game tomorrow, we’ll find out when Fix-Wolansky will score. 
  • Matthew Iwanyk, TSN1260. Should the Oilers trade that 2019 first-round pick for a first-shot scorer?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio! 

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  1. dessert1111 says:

    2018/19:

    Benson – McDavid – Yamamoto
    Rieder – Draisalt – Marody/Cagguila
    Zykov – RNH – Puljujarvi
    Lucic – Spooner – Chiasson
    Brodziak, Khaira

    I think a trade/signing of one more winger (the 2RW spot indicated here) would be ideal unless we see a couple second half surges. Not enough cover as is.

  2. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Nyquist—McDavid—Kailer Yamamoto
    Nugent-Hopkins—Draisaitl—Jesse Puljujarvi
    Rieder—E. Staal—Chiasson
    Lucic—Khaira—Kassian
    Zykov, Caggiula

    Klefbomb-Larsson
    Nurse-Russel
    Sekera-Bouchard
    Benning

    Lehner-Koskinen

  3. DBO says:

    Wouldn’t keep spooner. doesn’t bring enough.

    And how did you get rid of Lucic on your lineup? Tonya Harding him?

    Zykov-McDavid-Yamamoto (Zykov shooter and size, Yamamoto seems to play best with skill)
    Khaira-Draisatl-Puljujarvi (big and fast line. Khaira the two way, Jesse with the wheels and Drai the trigger man)
    Reider-Nuge-Marody (two way line, with enough skill and speed to play with anyone)
    Lucic-Brodziak-Cagguila (with Hitch the coach, and no way to dump Lucic, I expect Kassian to be the trade bait. If you could dump Lucic then keep Kassian)

    With Benson pushing along with Mcleod the following season, this is a young team, who as long as we don’t kill our cap with a dumb old man UFA this summer, would be poised to keep this group rolling.

  4. LMHF#1 says:

    I’m wondering if you can’t cook up a fairly large trade with St. Louis. Now is the time when you attempt to snag guys like Tarasenko and Parayko. I don’t know if it can be done, but as GM I’d be willing to part with a lot to do it.

    The other thing would be to clear out players with high cost and little value – almost no matter what it takes. This team needs cap space. Period. There are way too many opportunities being missed because the squad is maxed out. Lucic + Russell basically equals John Tavares…or 2 more Adam Larssons…think about what that team looks like.

    Lucic, Russell, Spooner, Kassian…basically come hell or high water…

    I would be completely open to moving #98, and draft picks as well. I don’t believe in the ‘long road’ in modern sports leagues. That’s not how this works any longer. If you wait…someone will blow by you and your time will never come. That’s why they needed to go for it 2 seasons ago, and that’s why you must always be looking at every single chance to improve your team…even if good players go out for other good players.

  5. Dicky94 says:

    Big game tonight! Oilers will have to be ready for the Wilds big push in the 1st. Should be all Oilers after that. Off to pound Led Zeppelin songs all day now.

  6. Doug McLachlan says:

    Tired Minnesota team coming in after a tough loss to the Flames down the road last night. Injury to Koivu’s knee that may keep him out of the line-up or at least slow him down a bit. Ripe for the picking so the Oilers should only be down one going into the third. Seriously, I love the tight hockey and the Hitch-wins but wouldn’t you love to just blow somebody out by a field-goal, or a touchdown – just to know we can still do it?

    One verbal nugget has been kicking around in my head for over a week now and wanted to get it out. Hitchcock has repeatedly used the expression “hold their ice” when referring to players going to the net and creating chaos and, presumably, offensive opportunities. It seems pretty standard coach-speak except that I remember in the summer when TMac was discussing Rattie’s fine performance one pre-season game as evidence of his mastering the art of “arriving in time” to make a play. Not sure if this necessarily embodies a vastly different mindset between the coaches (static vs flow) or not but it did strike me as noteworthy. Have at it.

    Oilers just completed their second Best of Seven victory of the season, another 4-1 win after two straight series losses. They start a new Best of Seven tonight against the Wild – get at ‘er boys.

    Current series: Oilers tied 0-0
    Fifth Series: Oilers win 4-1 in Game 5 OT
    Fourth Series: Oilers lose 2-4
    Third Series: Oilers lose 1-4
    Second Series Oilers win 4-1
    First Series: Oilers lose 3-4 in Game 7 OT

  7. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oiler Goal Share after 28 games (14-12-2)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 25-19 (57%)
    McDavid Off Ice 24-36 (40%)
    EV=-6

    Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
    21-22
    ST=-1

    Empty Net:
    3-8
    EN= -5

    SO
    1-0

    SO=+1

    Net Goal Differential -11

  8. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HITCHCOCK ERA:
    Oiler Goal Share after 8 games (5-2-1)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 5-5 (50%)
    McDavid Off Ice 6-8 (43%)
    Net EV -2

    Special Teams (PP+SH For – PK+SH Against):
    4-3
    Net ST +1

    Empty Net:
    1-3
    Net EN -2

    SO
    1-0
    SO=+1

    Net Goal Differential -2

  9. jtblack says:

    “but there are of course those small details best described as “McDavid Off” for your”

    Small Details ….. and LT has me laughing at 9 a.m.

    well done

  10. jtblack says:

    5-2-1 under Hitchcock.

    Have the Oilers made up any ground during that time?

    I posted last week … the reality is, for this team to reach 94 points they need a record similiar to this:

    30-19-5 in their final 54 … That’s doable but TOUGH sledding …

    Go Hitch. Go Oilers

  11. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff standings using points percentage. Expressed as “games over/under fake Bettman .500”

    Central
    NSH 10
    COL 10
    WPG 9

    Pacific
    CGY 9
    ANA 5
    SJS 4

    Wildcard
    DAL 5
    MIN 4
    —————–
    Out of Playoffs
    VGK 3
    EDM 2
    ARI 1
    VAN -4
    STL -4
    CHI -7
    LAK -8

    CGY, VGK and VAN won last night. LAK and ARI lost.

    Tonight’s Pacific games:

    SJS at DAL
    MIN at EDM
    CAR at ANA

    SJS and EDM are *slight* betting favourites (-125 SJS, -115 EDM) whereas ANA is a small dog (+130)

    MIN is on 3rd in 4 nights and 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities. The history of teams in this spot is ~35% win rate.

    That said, MIN was in EDM Oct 30th on the 3rd in 4 night, 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities and they beat EDM 4-3 (although EDM was the better team imo)

    Winnable game for the good guys.

    Hope they don’t shit the bed.

    *claplcap*

  12. Bling says:

    Drai is having a great year.

    I think his d-zone effort was a bit suspect earlier in the year, but in fairness to him he was dragging Lucic around. He has improved dramatically in that department.

    Drai has an uncanny ability to pass at an elite level on his forehand AND backhand. I find that this part of his game is wasted playing on the wing and along the wall. It’s much better for him to work through the middle of the ice.

    I suspect this is all temporary, until one or two of the young wingers establish themselves.

  13. who says:

    I would trade Kassian, Benning and Cagguila just to get their contracts off the books. Sucks that Cagguila is hurt because he is the one guy you would be able to get an asset for. You might get something for Benning. Kassian would be a giveaway but you are creating cap space.
    I don’t think you can give Spooner away, and we know Lucic is impossible, but trading the first three and replacing them with 700,000 players would give you 3.2 million in cap space.
    If you extend Koskinen at 3.5 and spend another 2.5 on the 2nd goalie you have another million in cap space.
    These savings might give you enough money to bring in one quality winger or dman next year. Or you hang on to the money and next years lineup looks like this;
    Zykov McDavid Rattie
    Rieder Drai Chiasson
    Khaira Nuge JP
    Lucic Brodziak Marody
    Spooner Russell

    Klefbom Larsson
    Nurse Russell
    Sekera Bear
    Gravel

    Koskinen, ?

    This lineup looks eerily similar to this years but you do have 4 million in cap space so you could bring in 1 significantl player. Keep in mind some of the cap space may be eaten up by small raises to Rieder, Chiasson, Gravel and JP.
    You could also hope for some guys like Yamamoto, Benson, Hebig, Bouchard, Jones or Lagesson to push a more expensive veteran out. This could easily happen on defense. It may allow you to trade Russell, Sekera or Nurse which creates some more cap space to improve in another area.

  14. Bar_Qu says:

    LMHF#1,

    Tyler Dellow did a look at Lucic a few weeks back, making the case that he should be bought out this summer. He figured out it was $2.375M for 2 years after, then $1.83M and decreasing after that. His argument was that it wasn’t that much cap savings, but the Oil could get a winger at $2M who would bring so much more than he does. Plus it alleviates the “where should Lucic play?” questions that are constantly swirling around this team.

    Fire Chiarelli late spring, and the new GM can do the buyout to prove their disconnection from previous management models (“good in the room!” “character!”).

    I’d also argue trading Russel with a little money retained at the deadline too. Some contender will over pay for a vet D.

    My suggestion for the future is watching the waiver wire and picking up a Dano if they appear. The Zykov bet is a good one, and there will be more that appear, imo.

  15. Bag of Pucks says:

    When they traded Hall, the conversations had to be along the lines of:

    A) We’re giving up the best player in this deal but we’re filling a gap at D that is absolutely killing us. Plus Connor and Leon need to be locked up. Katz wants this.

    B) We just drafted a stud W who should be in our Top 6 this year or next at the latest

    C) Lucic is a decent replacement at LW. We’re giving up too much term here given his age but he’s a proven scorer and should have 3-4 good years left.

    This is the problem with rationalization. At the time B and C seemed like reasonable scenarios. But 2 1/2 years later, Hall’s won the Hart, JP is trending to Yakupov redux and Lucic is a 4th liner. Those are the franchise altering moves right there.

    The Hockey Gods gave us Connor but getting Laine too was more than they would tolerate.

    Now the only thing that quickly solves this is Milan and Jesse reclaiming their mojo or Benson and Marody going ballistic. Let’s hope the new HC can help with that.

  16. smellyglove says:

    Flames, Leaves Stanley Cup final? Oh Mr. Mitchell, why do you torment us so?

  17. dustrock says:

    LMHF#1:
    I’m wondering if you can’t cook up a fairly large trade with St. Louis. Now is the time when you attempt to snag guys like Tarasenko and Parayko. I don’t know if it can be done, but as GM I’d be willing to part with a lot to do it.

    The other thing would be to clear out players with high cost and little value – almost no matter what it takes. This team needs cap space. Period. There are way too many opportunities being missed because the squad is maxed out. Lucic + Russell basically equals John Tavares…or 2 more Adam Larssons…think about what that team looks like.

    Lucic, Russell, Spooner, Kassian…basically come hell or high water…

    I would be completely open to moving #98, and draft picks as well. I don’t believe in the ‘long road’ in modern sports leagues. That’s not how this works any longer. If you wait…someone will blow by you and your time will never come. That’s why they needed to go for it 2 seasons ago, and that’s why you must always be looking at every single chance to improve your team…even if good players go out for other good players.

    I agree with all of this.

    Keep McDavid Drai Nuge Klef Larsson, honestly I’m fine with trading anybody else.

    I think it’s a good time to trade Nurse (I’ll keep beating this drum) and I’m not sold on Puljujarvi.

    What’s more likely at this point? That Jesse has a switch go off in his brain and becomes a star player? Or else he averages out as a decent 2nd or 3rd line wing option with maybe some PP2 if he’s hot?

    You know who Puljujarvi reminds me of, not it playing style at all, but in general “meh, with occasional flashes of brilliance”?

    Radek Dvorak. He was a fine player. Once in a while he’d do something stunning but otherwise kinda didnt stand out, at least to me.

  18. Durag says:

    If I’m running the show, I keep the powder dry again for 2019-20 and probably end up with a year that looks pretty similar to this one.

    Without doing a deep dive into this summer’s free agent crop, I would try to stay away from giving term to anyone (unless there is a bonafide scoring winger under 29 who is willing to commit) while trying to create enough competition in camp that Yamamoto, Benson, Marody, McLeod, Maksimov, Safin, Samurokov, Bear, Jones, Persson, Lagesson and maybe even Puljujarvi are NOT penciled in for NHL jobs. If a full season in the AHL is what’s best for those players and the organization, then make it so.

    Shuffle out as much of the deadwood as possible. Keep picks, acquire picks and have another good draft. Retain Chiarelli in some sort of director of scouting role if possible while doing a thorough search for a new GM.

    So my 19-20 Oilers look something like:

    Nuge—McDavid—Puljujarvi
    Rieder—Draisaitl—Spooner
    Caggiula—UFA—Zykov
    Lucic—Brodziak—Khaira

    Klefbom—Larsson
    Nurse—UFA/Sekera
    UFA/Sekera—Benning

    Koskinen—UFA

    So I’ve found a way to ditch Russel and Kassian and am waiting for some kind of expansion amnesty to buy out Lucic. Jesse has absorbed enough Hitchcock Jedi wisdom to become a useful top 6 forward.

    It’s the sort of roster that will make me scream at my TV for a lot of the year, but hopefully sets up 2020-21 with a lot of cap flexibility, no core players moved out, maximum draft picks retained and some overripe prospects on the farm to plug in or trade.

  19. DBO says:

    And as for in season trades, that fit Hitch and the need to make playoffs this year.

    UFA fits that work with Hitch
    – Go get Simmonds from Philly.Not sure for what, but it fills a bunch of needs. And with Philly struggling he could be available.

    – No idea on defenseman. won’t be a UFA and I wonder how much it takes to get a top end guy. AS LT is fond of saying, keep your powder dry.

  20. geowal says:

    “What does your 2018-19 Oilers lineup look like? If you post yours in the comments section I’ll grab one or two for discussion in the Saturday post. ”

    I assume you mean 2019-2020

  21. Lowetide says:

    DBO:
    And how did you get rid of Lucic on your lineup? Tonya Harding him?

    He is there. 🙂

  22. 106 and 106 says:

    They just don’t have the horses.

    LT, we can keep switching out the lines but it doesn’t change the ceiling this team has.

    Try this with Leafs wingers instead:

    Marleau – McDavid – Marner
    Hyman – Drai – Nylander
    Johnsson – RNH – Kapanen
    Ennis – Brodziak – Brown

    Where would Rattie/Spooner/Khaira/Drake/Lucic/Kassian even fit on here?

    Answer: They wouldn’t.

    Folks, it’s a 85-90 point Oilers team this year. Sure, they go on a heater, make Round 1 of the playoffs. But depth is a thing.

    We’re swapping Marody for Russell and hoping for wins. Wouldn’t even make practice 5th line on a great team.

  23. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Good one LT:

    Teravainen-McD-Kailer
    Reider-Drai-Pool
    Kharia-RNH-Chiasson
    Lucic-Marody-Kassian/Benson/Rattie/Caggs

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Parayko
    Sek-Bouchard
    Russell

    Koski-Best G in our system after this year/Vet

    – Benning, Jones/Bear as trade for a Parayko type RHD upgrade that will make Nurse solid

  24. Chaos Magician says:

    Lowetide are you saying we need Miss Marple?

  25. Caribbeerman says:

    Jeff Skinner – CMD – Drai
    Rieder – RNH – Puljujarvi
    Kharia – Marody – Yamamoto
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian
    * Spooner * Zykov

    Big-time 1st Line.
    Emerging, reliable 2nd line.
    Some developmental potential on 3rd line.
    Identity 4th line (Lucic might be gone somehow)
    Depth cover in Spooner & Zykov – Benson to be called up by December 2019.

  26. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Western Conference Playoff standings using points percentage.Expressed as “games over/under fake Bettman .500”

    Central
    NSH10
    COL10
    WPG9

    Pacific
    CGY9
    ANA5
    SJS4

    Wildcard
    DAL5
    MIN4
    —————–
    Out of Playoffs
    VGK3
    EDM2
    ARI1
    VAN-4
    STL-4
    CHI-7
    LAK-8

    CGY, VGK and VAN won last night. LAK and ARI lost.

    Tonight’s Pacific games:

    SJS at DAL
    MIN at EDM
    CAR at ANA

    SJS and EDM are *slight* betting favourites (-125 SJS, -115 EDM) whereas ANA is a small dog (+130)

    MIN is on 3rd in 4 nights and 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities.The history of teams in this spot is ~35% win rate.

    That said, MIN was in EDM Oct 30th on the 3rd in 4 night, 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities and they beat EDM 4-3 (although EDM was the better team imo)

    Winnable game for the good guys.

    Hope they don’t shit the bed.

    *claplcap*

    Amazing that Hitchcock has them playing at a 5-2-1 (113points) pace but with everything factored in including the Leafs/Flames success it actually seems like they’re going at a 2-5-1 pace.

  27. stevebergeron97 says:

    Benson McDavid Stone
    Leon Nuge Pulju
    Rieder Marody Zykov
    Khaira Brodz Rattie

    Klef/Larsson
    Russel/Bouchard
    Lagesson/Jones/Bear

  28. stephen sheps says:

    2018-19 seems pretty set now.

    19-20 on the other hand…(note this will not actually happen and I’m not even convinced I like my own plan)

    93-97-8
    Tarasenko-29-22
    98-65-56 (new kid line, why not? It worked in 1990)
    16-28-39
    91, 52

    77-6
    2-Bouchard
    5-83
    C.Jones

    19
    New backup

    Lucic and Nurse traded to Stl for Tarasenko, salary retained on Lucic
    Russell traded to whomever offers the best non-player return
    Talbot traded to Philly for a mid-round pick and a B-list prospect
    Mikko gets a raise to 4.1×2. Backup tbd since goalers are voodoo
    The two Swedish defenders come over and make their AHL debuts (Persson becomes a top call up option)
    Benson becomes the top recall option for a winger, McCleod as top centre recall option, though Nuge slides into a top 6 role and JJ into a bottom 6 role in the middle as needed to avoid such things if possible.

  29. bendelson says:

    Rieder-Drai-Niederreiter

    I don’t know how it happens… but want to see it, nevertheless.

  30. LMHF#1 says:

    Bar_Qu:
    LMHF#1,

    Tyler Dellow did a look at Lucic a few weeks back, making the case that he should be bought out this summer. He figured out it was $2.375M for 2 years after, then $1.83M and decreasing after that. His argument was that it wasn’t that much cap savings, but the Oil could get a winger at $2M who would bring so much more than he does. Plus it alleviates the “where should Lucic play?” questions that are constantly swirling around this team.

    Fire Chiarelli late spring, and the new GM can do the buyout to prove their disconnection from previous management models (“good in the room!” “character!”).

    I’d also argue trading Russel with a little money retained at the deadline too. Some contender will over pay for a vet D.

    My suggestion for the future is watching the waiver wire and picking up a Dano if they appear. The Zykov bet is a good one, and there will be more that appear, imo.

    Does the gap between buying out Lucic and trading him with a pick/value player make more sense one way or another…i guess that’s the question.

    And Russell can certainly find a market as despite his massive flaws he plays a game that’s popular with the old school – it’s whether he’ll go or not I suppose.

  31. JimmyV1965 says:

    Caribbeerman:
    Jeff Skinner – CMD – Drai
    Rieder – RNH – Puljujarvi
    Kharia – Marody – Yamamoto
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian
    * Spooner * Zykov

    Big-time 1st Line.
    Emerging, reliable 2nd line.
    Some developmental potential on 3rd line.
    Identity 4th line (Lucic might be gone somehow)
    Depth cover in Spooner & Zykov – Benson to be called up by December 2019.

    Skinner’s asking price is said to be $9 mill.

  32. Melman says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    This is a good synopsis and also highlights the ineptitude of the decision. I’m sure there are rare examples, but the golden rule of whoever gets the best player wins the trade is a golden rule for a reason. 4 quarters for a dollar never gets you more than a handful of meh. There is never a good skill reason to rationalize trading away the best player in the deal, and this organization’s Achilles heel that has plagued them for more than a decade is that belief in rationalization and that they are the smartest person in the room. Keeping Hall and fixing the D by other means was always the better decision.

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    stephen sheps:
    2018-19 seems pretty set now.

    19-20 on the other hand…(note this will not actually happen and I’m not even convinced I like my own plan)

    93-97-8
    Tarasenko-29-22
    98-65-56 (new kid line, why not? It worked in 1990)
    16-28-39
    91, 52

    77-6
    2-Bouchard
    5-83
    C.Jones

    19
    New backup

    Lucic and Nurse traded to Stl for Tarasenko, salary retained on Lucic
    Russell traded to whomever offers the best non-player return
    Talbot traded to Philly for a mid-round pick and a B-list prospect
    Mikko gets a raise to 4.1×2. Backup tbd since goalers are voodoo
    The two Swedish defenders come over and make their AHL debuts (Persson becomes a top call up option)
    Benson becomes the top recall option for a winger, McCleod as top centre recall option, though Nuge slides into a top 6 role and JJ into a bottom 6 role in the middle as needed to avoid such things if possible.

    Would love to get Tarasenko but I assume the asking price would be a 1st, Nurse, JP and one of our dmen prospects.

  34. Side says:

    Pittsburgh is kinda lucking out this year… 29 points is good enough for 3rd in their division and they only have to really worry about NYR, NYI, PHI and CAR.

    Compared to Oilers who are 5th in the division with 30 and ARI and VAN in striking distance and only LA being really out of it.

  35. LMHF#1 says:

    dustrock: I agree with all of this.

    Keep McDavid Drai Nuge Klef Larsson, honestly I’m fine with trading anybody else.

    I think it’s a good time to trade Nurse (I’ll keep beating this drum) and I’m not sold on Puljujarvi.

    What’s more likely at this point?That Jesse has a switch go off in his brain and becomes a star player?Or else he averages out as a decent 2nd or 3rd line wing option with maybe some PP2 if he’s hot?

    You know who Puljujarvi reminds me of, not it playing style at all, but in general “meh, with occasional flashes of brilliance”?

    Radek Dvorak.He was a fine player.Once in a while he’d do something stunning but otherwise kinda didnt stand out, at least to me.

    I’d agree on JP seeming similar to Dvorak – maybe with a better shot and some physical tools. And if that’s all you can get for him (a lower level something, rather than another team thinking he can become a star), then keep him and sign him at an affordable rate. If there are 5 GMs out there that think they can “save him”, then go get your winger or preferably RHD with him.

  36. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Everyone is looking at the wrong player coming back in these transactions

    Find a way out of Looch and maybe Russel, I’d consider perhaps maybe Sekera but I’m not rolling the dice on that until we get a look at him later this year. If you want to dump some of the tweeners go ahead but the biggest amount of space opens up after next season.

    Don’t waste your money on Tarasenko and be prepared to dust off something that many haven’t had the heart to let go of yet.

    Taylor Hall will be an Oiler when he hist free agency – he”ll be back to finish what he started.

  37. Bruce McCurdy says:

    DBO:

    And how did you get rid of Lucic on your lineup? Tonya Harding him?

    “Tonya Harding” isn’t a verb.

    “Gillooly” is the verb you’re looking for.

  38. texmex says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Stauffer……….is that you?

    He hinted at this s couple of times on his show.

  39. Melman says:

    Rieder-McDavid-Kreider
    Zykov-Draisatl-Chaisson
    Khaira-RNH-JP
    Spooner-Brodziak-Kassian
    Lucic-Rattie

  40. DBO says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Everyone is looking at the wrong player coming back in these transactions

    Find a way out of Looch and maybe Russel, I’d consider perhaps maybe Sekera but I’m not rolling the dice on that until we get a look at him later this year. If you want to dump some of the tweeners go ahead but the biggest amount of space opens up after next season.

    Don’t waste your money on Tarasenko and be prepared to dust off something that many haven’t had the heart to let go of yet.

    Taylor Hall will be an Oiler when he hist free agency – he”ll be back to finish what he started.

    Taylor will only be an Oiler if Chiarelli is gone. He was pissed. And he is going to get $8 million plus. Can we afford that?

  41. Andy Dufresne says:

    2019-20 Go for Broke. Indoctrinate ourselves into the faster less physical NHL

    To start the season, (hoping JP and Yamo can move their way up the lineup.)

    RNH McDavid Rattie
    Silfverberg Draisaitl Chaisson
    Zykov JJ JP
    Benson Marody Yamamoto

    Reider Lucic

    Reider Rattie Chaisson are all interchangable Top Six RW. Until JP or Yamo work thier way into the top six.

    All of Kassian, Cagguila, Spooner, traded away / given away to create cap space.

    Give Spooner away and trade Benning and a Pick for a 2RHD (at this years trade deadline). Spooner and Benning equals $5m cap space to pay new RHD.

    Klefbom Larsson
    Nurse RHD
    Sekera Russell
    Gravel Bouchard

    Koskinen, Talbot

    (picked Silfverberg because he fills a need and fits the budget)

    Losing Cagguila, Benning, and Kassian is going to put dent in our “toughness quotient” but you can’t have it both ways in todays NHL.

    Lucic, Nurse and JJ will have to be enough “enforcement patrol officers”.

    Kassian, Cagguila, Benning and Spooner are all Chiarelli guys. SO for all of this to happen (unless he adapts quickly to the new reality and is willing to swallow his pride) Chiarelli has got to go.

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Reid Wilkins:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson
    Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Zykov-Spooner-Rattie
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian

    Oilers expected line combos for tonight against the Wild.

    Klefbom-Larrson
    Nurse-Russell
    Gravel-Benning

    Talbot probable starter in net.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Just doesn’t make sense to me the keep Drai with McDavid if they aren’t producing at 5 on 5 – which they haven’t for about 4 games now.

    With that said, their non-production at 5 on 5 lines up with when Chiasson was added to the line and, more than anything, I think its important to have him moved off – I see Rattie replacing him during the game if that line isn’t “going”.

  44. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

  45. npanciroli says:

    Chiasson just isn’t working on the top line for me. Rattie or even Zykov I would try.

  46. dustrock says:

    Zykov-Spooner-Rattie is an interesting line.

  47. Side says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) i get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada, reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    Soon it will be:

    “Leon is a cancer, that’s why the Oilers are losing. McDavid’s parents went to Chiarelli to have Leon traded.”

  48. dustrock says:

    LMHF#1,

    Yes, agreed. Not saying Jesse on the Oilers is useless, just if there’s an idea around the league that he’s salvageable, sell high.

    Ditto with Nurse.

  49. linkfromhyrule says:

    dustrock: Yes, agreed. Not saying Jesse on the Oilers is useless, just if there’s an idea around the league that he’s salvageable, sell high.

    I’m lmao at the idea that the Oilers reputation for incompetence could allow us to sell high on a prospect that isn’t panning out.

  50. Bos8 says:

    Is anyone working with Marody on his skating in Yeg? They keep bringing him up every few games. Now this helps his wallet but doesn’t do much for development. He seems to dominate the Ahl.

  51. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    texmex,

    DBO,

    I believe it to be a fact is all.

    Taylor Hall was traded because he was the only known asset the Oilers had.

    Yes we love Nuge and we loved Eberle but very few people outside of Edmonton know those players or their skill sets.

    Taylor was a different beast, a known quantity, one that was demanded given that everyone and their Uncle knew the Oilers needed a right shot Dman.

    It wasn’t fair to him and it wasn’t fair to the fanbase either but it happened.

    However, one trade does not mean an end to a story.

    In 2020/2021, assuming even moderate cap increases you’ll be looking at somewhere around $84-$88 million for a cap and currently, with Looch and Russell on the roster the Oilers will have $53 million committed meaning they will have $35 million to play with. If you move on from any of Russell, Looch and Sekera that year you can free up a minimum of say $4 million to a maximum of $15 million more.

    JP will need a raise at the end of this season but given his production to date I would see $3.5×2 as a bridge for him come July this year.

    You will easily have enough spare cash to spend on Taylor Hall at $10-$11 million per while also offering Darnell a long term deal IF he earns it. Why do I say easily? Because all of those AHL players currently making us pay attention to the Condors will still be on their ELCs, as will Bouchard should he continue to develop. One needs to decide on Bear, Jones and Lagesson that year but its too early to project non-ELC contracts for those players given their lack of playing time in the NHL. Ditto with Persson who’s emergence may make one of Bear, Jones, Russell and Sekera expendable.

    2021/2022 see an additional $21 million coming off the books. Now that year you’ll need to decide on Nuge and Larsson as well as some of your forward AHL talent (Benson, Yamo, Maksimov and Safin) but absent an absolute heater by all of those players simultaneously its all manageable.

    The freak out on Chia’s cap management today seems to completely gloss over the fact that the Oilers will have an unbelievable amount of cap space when all of The Core (Connor, Leon, Nuge, Klef and Larsson) hit their prime years and all of the better drafted talent we’ve seen over the last few years hits the NHL in their early 20’s. The exact opposite problem that Kyle Dubas finds himself in today.

    Maybe Chia isn’t such an idiot after all…

  52. Darth Tu says:

    Skinner (I wish, Khaira as placeholder)-McDavid-Yamomoto
    Rieder-Nuge-Puljujarvi
    Benson-Drai-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Cagiulla-Marody

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Russel-Bouchard
    Bear

    Koskinen-Lehner (or other FA goalie)

    I’m still holding out for Spooner, if we make the playoffs and he starts setting the heather on fire then I’d keep him and stick him in Benson’s slot. Allows Benson an extra year of AHL time, again, unless he is ready for the NHL.

  53. Bling says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    Pitch perfect.

    Drai is tremendous. No one makes a sweeter, tastier, spicier backhand sauce! Not even 97!

  54. Bling says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Just doesn’t make sense to me the keep Drai with McDavid if they aren’t producing at 5 on 5 – which they haven’t for about 4 games now.

    With that said, their non-production at 5 on 5 lines up with when Chiasson was added to the line and, more than anything, I think its important to have him moved off – I see Rattie replacing him during the game if that line isn’t “going”.

    Agreed. Rattie is quicker to loose pucks and is a better “digger” for Leon and 97.

  55. Westchester Oil says:

    Bar_Qu:
    LMHF#1,

    Tyler Dellow did a look at Lucic a few weeks back, making the case that he should be bought out this summer. He figured out it was $2.375M for 2 years after, then $1.83M and decreasing after that. His argument was that it wasn’t that much cap savings, but the Oil could get a winger at $2M who would bring so much more than he does. Plus it alleviates the “where should Lucic play?” questions that are constantly swirling around this team.

    Fire Chiarelli late spring, and the new GM can do the buyout to prove their disconnection from previous management models (“good in the room!” “character!”).

    I’d also argue trading Russel with a little money retained at the deadline too. Some contender will over pay for a vet D.

    My suggestion for the future is watching the waiver wire and picking up a Dano if they appear. The Zykov bet is a good one, and there will be more that appear, imo.

    After this season, Lucic will be owed $24 million. Buying him out will cost $21.5 million.

    The better options are:
    – pray for a compliance buyout
    – trade him to a floor team with 50% retained and a relatively small sweetener
    – beg Seattle to take him (I think it would have to be at full price) with a larger sweetener

  56. Jaxon says:

    1. Trade away players who don’t move the needle much or are a drag on linemates: Kassian (-$1.95M), Brodziak (-$1.15M), Spooner (-$3.1M), Caggiula (-$1.5M). For late round picks and prospects. (-$7.7M)

    2. Trade Russell and Sekera next June for picks and prospects (-$9.5M). $17.5M cap savings from those players and a cap rise of $3.5M = $21M in space to replace 4 of those players and sign two new impact players and re-sign players with raises. Would you spend $17.5M on two impact players and then

    3. Re-sign Khaira and Puljujarvi next summer.

    4. Possibly re-sign Zykov in the summer of 2020 (we’ll see how he plays).

    5. Re-sign Nurse in the summer of 2020. I still think there’s a hell of a player there and I don’t think he works well with Russell.

    6. Re-sign Gravel to a low cap hit. He’s a good #6-7 D.

    7. Koskinen V Talbot. I think we’ll have a better idea near the deadline. Talbot might turn things around and make it interesting. If he does he may want to test the market next summer. Can they find a trading partner with another goalie who is having a down year with both managers hoping that new scenery will turn things around? Jake Allen, Jacob Markstrom, Philipp Grubauer, James Reimer, Jonathan Bernier, or a struggling youngster like Jussi Saros or Joonas Korpisalo?? Casey DeSmith and Robin Lehner both have expiring UFA contracts.

    8. Never trade a 1st or 2nd round pick while McDavid is on the team unless it’s for a similar pick or a sure thing prospect or young player.

    9. Keep Lucic until 2021. If there is a compliance buyout window before then, great, otherwise wait until his NMC is lifted and trade him with 50% retained if necessary. That’s still much cheaper cap hit than buying him out. 2 years of $3M cap hit VS 4 years of $4.08M, $5.58M, $0.58M, $0.58M.

    10. Expansion draft. Don’t re-sign Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson until after the expansion draft but before the free agency window opens on July 1st. As long as you have a verbal gentleman’s agreement that they’ll re-sign. Seattle will have a short window to try to negotiate a contract with them that they can decline. It shouldn’t be an issue as long as you know they want to stay in Edmonton.

    11. Sign #1/#2 RHD – Karlsson?

    12. Sign impact sniper – Duchene, Panarin, Skinner, Stone? I’d lean toward Duchene and Panarin for their speed if the price is similar. Skinner has defensive issues and Stone has slow boots relative to McDavid who I’d want him to play with.

    11. 2021 Protection list:

    3D: Klefbom, Nurse, #1/#2RHD Free agent pickup
    7F: McDavid, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi, Impact Sniper pickup, and 3 of Benson, Yamamoto, Khaira, Zykov, and Hebig. Today I’d guess Benson, Yamamoto and Khaira. But by then maybe Marody, Zykov or Hebig supplants them. I think if Bear or Yamamoto are exposed they will be hard to resist for Seattle.

    Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson would be like a soft-protect through not signing them until after the expansion draft but before free agency opens.

  57. Westchester Oil says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!,

    $3.5 mln x 2 for JP is way too much. I was thinking a maximum of $2.5 x 2, unless he lights it up the rest of this season.

  58. hunter1909 says:

    I’m afraid I have no solutions for this team. No permutations of lines, no trades for fading marquee players from other teams, no thoughts of going after the next big UFA’s either.

    Just give Hitchcock more time. And fire Chiarelli…

  59. Melvis says:

    bendelson:
    Rieder-Drai-Niederreiter

    I don’t know how it happens… but want to see it, nevertheless.

    Yamamoto – Suzuki – Iguchi

    The Pearl Harbour line.

    ouch

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f0a8S_iWmY

  60. bendelson says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    You nailed it Bruce. Lazy is not the word to describe Leon, though it may very well be an accurate word to describe the analysis of people suggesting Leon is lazy…

  61. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Westchester Oil,

    Yup and I think that is a totally fair amount.

    My bigger point right now is that we have a couple of narratives all of which have some truth to them but need the dots connected to tell the whole tale. Here are some facts

    Fact 1) the Oilers are capped out this year and next year with middling talent sucking up space. However, after 2020 that changes and significant cap space opens up.
    Fact 2) the Oilers have talent percolating in the AHL, SHL and OHL that could fill needs going forward
    Fact 3) The Oilers have locked up significant pieces at significant positions through 2022
    Fact 4) The Oilers core is approaching, but have not yet hit, Prime Time for their positions and are locked up through Prime Time on contracts who’s relative cost should decrease in relation to the cap going forward.

    It absolutely sucks that we are where we are after so many years. I hate it, most fans hate it and everyone on this wonderful blog hates it.

    But there are some interesting things approaching on the horizon. I detailed the cap options above. Ones that could lead to medium and long term dominance should they be handled properly.

    It sucks now but I’m with VOR, if you squint just a bit my oh my does the future look bright

  62. Pescador says:

    bendelson,

    Perfect

  63. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    Truth Truth Truth

    Love me Brucey

    29 was slow to start the season (again) without the puck but picked up his play and now his results trump all.

    EDM fans are big on style points.

    It doesn’t matter if a player wins their minutes, they need to do it in a way that is pleasing to the eye.

    If any forward (other than 97) doesn’t look like a 25 year old Iginla ripping down the ice, hitting people like a hammer and scoring 30 then they don’t measure up.

  64. Pescador says:

    dustrock:
    Zykov-Spooner-Rattie is an interesting line.

    If they can produce a goal I will be most interested.
    Now if ZeeKoff scores in his first game as an Oiler, well then
    People will be writing his name in permanent ink on the top line to start next season,
    Wondering if the Key to the City is to much, not enough?

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    Talbot confirmed starter tonight and Koskinen on Sunday vs. Calgary.

  66. Melman says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!,

    So setting up for 21/22 makes sense when McDavid was drafted in 2015? Sorry I don’t buy that. It may be fixable by then, but that’s a lot of unnecessary wandering in the desert and you have to wonder how long 97 will be content on carrying the entire team that’s only good enough to squeak into the playoffs

  67. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Truth Truth Truth

    Love me Brucey

    29 was slow to start the season (again) without the puck but results trump all.

    EDM fans are big on style points.

    It doesn’t matter if a player wins their minutes, they need to do it in a way that is pleasing to the eye.

    If any forward (other than 97) doesn’t look like a 25 year old Iginla ripping down the ice, hitting people like a hammer and scoring 30 then they don’t measure up.

    yep,
    I’m so sick of Leon and his lazy goals & assists
    90 point pace= terrible
    ok then

  68. Melman says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Talbot confirmed starter tonight and Koskinen on Sunday vs. Calgary.

    I like Koski for Sunday. Best chance to beat the godless phlems

  69. Side says:

    Melman: I like Koski for Sunday.Best chance to beat the godless phlems

    Agreed. Hopefully tonight helps build some confidence for Talbot against the struggling Wild and keeps Koskinen fresh for the Flames.

  70. Munny says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    Agreed. It’s bizarre.

  71. Munny says:

    The Wild, huh?

    I’ll take the Oilers to win 0-0 in a shootout.

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    How about that Hemsky fellow. First off the ice I hear.

    And that Eberle. Soft man, soft.

    Don’t get me started on that notorious carcinogen of the garbing chamber, Hall.

    Also, TMac is stoopid.

  73. Reja says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    Don’t you know that big dumb lazy useless centre men like Kopitar, Getzlaf and soon to be in his prime Draisaitl or a dime a dozen. General Managers can get that type of player anytime.

  74. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Just checking in.
    Haven’t had time to read the article or peruse the comments but I’d just like to say,

    Is it just me, or is Leon looking lazy out there?

  75. Paulie says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    The “words of the day”

    caggiula (verb) – to look good without being very good

    draisaitl (verb) – to be really good without looking good

  76. pts2pndr says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    Thank you Bruce! My feelings exactly! Very well said!

  77. franksterra says:

    Ok, points have been made. This is becomming The Wicker Man

  78. Durag says:

    Munny:
    The Wild, huh?

    I’ll take the Oilers to win 0-0 in a shootout.

    I wouldn’t disagree. Seems like they went to war with Calgary last night so hopefully they’re worn out and we can identity line them to death.

  79. Ice Sage says:

    Balance is a unicorn.
    I remember when the cry in Oilerland was for good centremen (sorry Sam, Horc) to unlock those amazing wingers (Hall, Eberle, Pajaarvi, Hemsky)…
    Whack a mole in slow motion 5 year cycles.

    As to tonight, I’m not worried about the Oilers coming out flat in the Hitch era but Dubnyk is primed to haunt his exes, who aren’t scoring much these days anyhow. So, 6-2 Oil is likely!

  80. Ice Sage says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    He’s ‘Lemieux Lazy’ and I’ll take that 8 days a week.

  81. frjohnk says:

    My phone just “autocorrected Drais name to
    LAZY LEON

    Sorry everyone, its true.

  82. Jaxon says:

    Paulie:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    The “words of the day”

    caggiula (verb) – to look good without being very good

    draisaitl (verb) – to be really good without looking good

    Awesome!

  83. hunter1909 says:

    Klima's_Bucket: Is it just me, or is Leon looking lazy out there?

    Not sure if you’re serious or joking but when you consider the usual Oiler centres these fans have grown up watching(Gagner, Cogliano, Marchant, Comrie) it’s little wonder a seriously sized centreman like Leon Draisaitl(with contract to match) will look shiftless and yes, lazy even.

    So much more normal to watch Oiler centres speed skating around the ice in endless circles doing next to no scoring; unlike top 20 scorer Dr. Drai.

  84. Jaxon says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    Yes. Thanks for this.

  85. John Chambers says:

    Melman:
    Rieder-McDavid-Kreider
    Zykov-Draisatl-Chaisson
    Khaira-RNH-JP
    Spooner-Brodziak-Kassian
    Lucic-Rattie

    It may not be possible, but if there’s any way to trade Lucic Russell after their bonuses have been paid out on Jul 1st then PC (or whoever is GM) has to do it.

    Let’s say Lucic ($1M retained) plus Benning and a 3rd to Arizona for Jason Demers. Arizona saves money while increasing their cap hit (which is a benefit to them), plus they get a young RD.

    Russell then gets dealt along the same lines to whoever he’ll accept a trade to.

    From there I think we need to target skill – let’s say there’s enough money to hire Matt Duchene at $7M x 7 – I think he’d be a great fit next to McDavid & Draisaitl.

    RNH (6) – McDavid (12.5) – Duchene (7)
    Rieder (3) – Draisaitl (8) – Puljujarvi (2.5)
    Khaira (900) – Marody (700) – Chiasson (1.5)
    Caggiula (1.5) – Brodziak (1.1) – Kassian (2)
    Spooner (3.1) – Zykov (800)

    Total forwards – 50.8 M

    Klefbom (4.2) – Larsson (4.2)
    Nurse (3.2) – Demers (4)
    Sekera (5.5) – Bouchard (1)
    Gravel (1)

    Total defense – 23.1 M

    Koskinen (4)
    Talbot (2.8)

    Goalies – 6.8 M

    Retained Salaries & buyouts – 2.5 M

    Total cap 83.2M

    May have to buy out Spooner

  86. geowal says:

    If I wanted to criticize Drai for something, it’d be perhaps that it seems of late he’s been making some pretty brutal cross ice passes to nowhere (perhaps because he’s exhausted and not thinking straight)! Lazy doesn’t come to mind.

  87. --hudson-- says:

    Hitchcock is doing that thing again. First he comes in praising the work of McLellan and this morning he lays waste to the old system. Todd’s ears would be burning if he caught this mornings comments.
    https://youtu.be/ysRH19LXwAw

    Interesting comments on the D still not being connected to the F.
    Interesting comments on possession and making the opponent stiff-legged.

  88. Alpine says:

    Leon’s probably gonna get flack until he centres his own line. I don’t really care about his style of play as long he produces. I think I take more issue with his apparent continual itching to play with Connor.

    Yeah it’s fun playing with 97 but I don’t know man you’re making a lot of money just to be the second best player on a line. Sorry but I want two good lines instead of one. The Colorado’s and Boston’s with one elite line are fizzling out in the first two rounds.

  89. digger50 says:

    It is unfortunate you could not pull any definitive measurement numbers in regards to Drake. He has been unpopular here using LT blog metrics, but he actually been quite successful in regards to Hitchcock metrics.

    Quick on the forecheck, making d men turn and chase, finishing checks, battling for one on one’s. Basically the definition of “getting on the grind”

  90. Munny says:

    –hudson–: Interesting comments on the D still not being connected to the F.

    The D-bone has not been connected to the F-Bone since the Horcoff removal by surgery.

    And speaking of… finally we have another Russian spy on the team!

    h/t Black Dog

  91. Jaxon says:

    ?Spooner/Zykov? – (McDavid – Puljujarvi)
    (Khaira – Draisaitl) – ?Chiasson?
    (Lucic – Nugent-Hopkins) – ?Rattie?
    ?Zykov/Spooner? – (Marody – Kassian)

  92. digger50 says:

    Hitchcock math:

    It starts with his basic philosophy “if you never let the other team score, the worse you can do is tie”

    In 82 games that is 82 points.

    If you break even in the overtime that is another 41 points.

    That is a 123 point season.

  93. stephen sheps says:

    Munny: And speaking of… finally we have another Russian spy on the team!

    I’m debating changing my fantasy hockey team name from Comrade Horcov (which I’ve been using for years) to Comrade Zykov if the new spy scores tonight.

  94. Jaxon says:

    A trivial observation:

    If they trade Talbot and Montoya is his replacement and if Benson makes the team, the Oilers will have 14 first round picks on the roster (only in essence as although Benson and Rattie were 2nd round picks at #32 when Seattle joins the top 32 become 1st rounders). They’ll also have five 2nd rounders (top 64 overall).

  95. stephen sheps says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    thanks for the welcome return to reasonable, Bruce.

    I don’t understand how this Lazy Leon narrative started to spin. Appreciate the measured and fact-based deconstruction of it.

  96. Jaxon says:

    digger50:
    It is unfortunate you could not pull any definitive measurement numbers in regards to Drake. He has been unpopular here using LT blog metrics, but he actually been quite successful in regards to Hitchcock metrics.

    Quick on the forecheck, making d men turn and chase, finishing checks, battling for one on one’s. Basically the definition of“getting on the grind”

    Or does he get in quickly, hit someone without removing the puck, grind for a while, and then lose the puck without a scoring opportunity?

  97. Oilman99 says:

    Ice Sage: He’s ‘Lemieux Lazy’ and I’ll take that 8 days a week.

    Maybe its a conditioning problem,that would explain why he tires quickly. I think its time for him to train in NA with a trainer like Roberts.

  98. stephen sheps says:

    Jaxon: digger50:
    It is unfortunate you could not pull any definitive measurement numbers in regards to Drake. He has been unpopular here using LT blog metrics, but he actually been quite successful in regards to Hitchcock metrics.

    Quick on the forecheck, making d men turn and chase, finishing checks, battling for one on one’s. Basically the definition of“getting on the grind”

    Or does he get in quickly, hit someone without removing the puck, grind for a while, and then lose the puck without a scoring opportunity?

    Why can’t he be both of these things? It’s possible he looks better using some metrics than others. 91 definitely accomplishes some of his objectives some of the time (goal scoring) and still generally lets the play die too often with the puck on his stick when not playing with 97, to say nothing of his obvious defensive zone problems.

    Drake is a confounding player, because often he ‘looks like a hockey player’ in the stereotypical ‘plays the game the right way’ sense of things – all hustle and heart. But hustle and heart isn’t the be all and end all. I’d like to hope Hitch sees this issue a bit more clearly than TMac, but it’s hard to say.

  99. Oilman99 says:

    Alpine:
    Leon’s probably gonna get flack until he centres his own line. I don’t really care about his style of play as long he produces. I think I take more issue with his apparent continual itching to play with Connor.

    Yeah it’s fun playing with 97 but I don’t know man you’re making a lot of money just to be the second best player on a line. Sorry but I want two good lines instead of one. The Colorado’s and Boston’s with one elite line are fizzling out in the first two rounds.

    Until the team develops, or trades for more bodafide top six wingers,Leon is more effective as a winger.

  100. pts2pndr says:

    Woodguy V2.0

    I know you did the math on possible right shot D for the second line spot. How did Pesce fom the Hurricanes fare? He plays with grit and would seem like a good fit until we can get a home grown fit. As I see filling the second pairing right D spot as priority one! Once we have a legitimate top 4 D we can concentrate on wingers as our farm team seems to have reasonable depth at D for replacements that should be matriculating shortly,

  101. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Paulie:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    The “words of the day”

    caggiula (verb) – to look good without being very good

    draisaitl (verb) – to be really good without looking good

    Well done.

    *clapclap*

    Note: I’m on record saying 91 has been better this year

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    There has been talk of Caggiula missing significant time but Hitch says he only expects a couple of games.

    With IR being 7 days and retro to the last game he played, he should be eligible after the weekend.

  103. Lowetide says:

    digger50:
    It is unfortunate you could not pull any definitive measurement numbers in regards to Drake. He has been unpopular here using LT blog metrics, but he actually been quite successful in regards to Hitchcock metrics.

    Quick on the forecheck, making d men turn and chase, finishing checks, battling for one on one’s. Basically the definition of“getting on the grind”

    Caggiula has done well using LT metrics this season. His scoring and possession is up.
    http://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=y&v=p&playerid=8479465

    Goal share is poor, but that’s a team wide issue.

  104. JimmyV1965 says:

    I would caution everyone from building UFAs into their roster projections. High-price free agents are death. They are rarely successful. We’ve seen the consequences of this far too often in Edmonton. If we want to acquire a good player, we have to trade for one with term.

  105. Lowetide says:

    Jaxon: Or does he get in quickly, hit someone without removing the puck, grind for a while, and then lose the puck without a scoring opportunity?

    The nature of hockey is that sorties are often unsuccessful. That doesn’t mean they have no value, just that predicting the successful ones is impossible. I don’t think anyone ever accused Caggiula of a lack of effort, that would be the one area that would get him universal wrath.

  106. Jethro Tull says:

    franksterra:
    Ok, points have been made. This is becomming The Wicker Man

    You know, if he’d just left the fucking island, then he wouldn’t have been burnt as an offering.

    So your point is?

  107. Jethro Tull says:

    Guess who else was called ‘lazy’? Jumbo Joe….

  108. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    digger50:
    It is unfortunate you could not pull any definitive measurement numbers in regards to Drake. He has been unpopular here using LT blog metrics, but he actually been quite successful in regards to Hitchcock metrics.

    Quick on the forecheck, making d men turn and chase, finishing checks, battling for one on one’s. Basically the definition of“getting on the grind”

    What are “blog metrics” ?

    I usually use shots and goals.

    There’s not shots and goals in blogs.

    There are in hockey.

    If I had to guess as blog metrics I’d guess:

    Disdain/60
    Strawmen/game
    Rolling 5 game AdHominem
    Moving the goalposts/60
    Overall Resgression to the Meat (red meat only)
    5v5 Piling On

    I may have missed a few.

  109. franksterra says:

    Jethro Tull,

    My point is have we finished with the ritual yet

  110. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: Caggiula has done well using LT metrics this season. His scoring and possession is up.
    http://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=y&v=p&playerid=8479465

    Goal share is poor, but that’s a team wide issue.

    LT metrics:

    Ol’ Timey/game
    Freshie/60
    Picking rocks/summer
    Camping Box/family
    Hidden song references/post

  111. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    AWESOME POST! Thank You.

  112. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Rolling 5 game AdHominem
    Moving the goalposts/60
    Overall Regression to the Meat (red meat only)

    This might be the funniest thing you’ve posted in a while. Nicely done. I nearly spat my coffee out onto my laptop at this cafe I’m procrasti-grading at and the nice bourgeois family sitting behind me gave me a very weird look as a result.

  113. digger50 says:

    Jaxon: Or does he get in quickly, hit someone without removing the puck, grind for a while, and then lose the puck without a scoring opportunity?

    Ummm, are you talking about Drake? Or is this a statement aboutOilers wingers?

  114. Dipsy Doodle Dandy says:

    Zykov-McDavid-Simmonds
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
    Cagguila-Faska-Reider
    Khaira-Brodziak-Lucic
    Chiasson

    Kleffbom-Larsson
    Sekera-Sanheim
    Gravel-Bouchard
    Jones

    Koskinen-???

    Trade Benning for Faska this year
    Trade Nurse/Talbot for Sanheim/Simmonds this year
    Trade Russel for pick at draft

  115. digger50 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: What are “blog metrics” ?

    I usually use shots and goals.

    There’s not shots and goals in blogs.

    There are in hockey.

    If I had to guess as blog metrics I’d guess:

    Disdain/60
    Strawmen/game
    Rolling 5 game AdHominem
    Moving the goalposts/60
    Overall Resgression to the Meat (red meat only)
    5v5 Piling On

    I may have missed a few.

    I think your close enough.

    Yes, there was a reason I said Lt blog metrics not LT metrics. And contrast those onto another somewhat moving target I called Hitch metrics.

  116. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0: LT metrics:

    Ol’ Timey/game
    Freshie/60
    Picking rocks/summer
    Camping Box/family
    Hidden song references/post

    Reminds of that skit of Ben Stiller doing Bruce Springsteen and “Springsteen: Just the Stories”.

    “One summer I had a job stacking rust at a dirt factory….it was a pretty good job, but it wasn’t rock n roll HUN HOO HREE HOR!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KRFxSejr6k

  117. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy v2.0: LT metrics:

    Ol’ Timey/game
    Freshie/60
    Picking rocks/summer
    Camping Box/family
    Hidden song references/post

    you forgot Ziggy/60

    I love any and all references LT makes about that dog, though the box is still the greatest piece of storytelling ever told on this blog.

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    pts2pndr:
    Woodguy V2.0

    I know you did the math on possible right shot D for the second line spot. How did Pesce fom the Hurricanes fare? He plays with grit and would seem like a good fit until we can get a home grown fit. As I see filling the second pairing right D spot as priority one! Once we have a legitimate top 4 D we can concentrate on wingers as our farm team seems to have reasonable depth at D for replacementsthat should be matriculating shortly,

    Pesce ranks near the top.

    Dare to dream!!

  119. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stephen sheps: This might be the funniest thing you’ve posted in a while. Nicely done. I nearly spat my coffee out onto my laptop at this cafe I’m procrasti-grading at and the nice bourgeois family sitting behind me gave me a very weird look as a result.

    High praise sir.

  120. Jaxon says:

    digger50: Ummm, are you talking about Drake? Or is this a statement aboutOilers wingers?

    Good point.

  121. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stephen sheps: you forgot Ziggy/60

    I love any and all references LT makes about that dog, though the box is still the greatest piece of storytelling ever told on this blog.

    Truth

  122. Jethro Tull says:

    franksterra:
    Jethro Tull,

    My point is have we finished with the ritual yet

    See Woodguy for all your mob needs.

  123. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    digger50: I think your close enough.

    Yes, there was a reason I said Lt blog metrics not LT metrics. And contrast those onto another somewhat moving target I called Hitch metrics.

    From what I’ve read on Hitch (which is a lot now) parsing his words he likes to track:

    Zone exits
    Zone entries (denying from the dzone)
    Zone time in the ozone and dzone

    Hitch likes possession but doesn’t use shot metrics to measure it.

    He’s big on getting the puck back, moving it north and working your ass off to not give it back.

    I love him because I love wins.

    Not always great hockey to watch though….

  124. 106 and 106 says:

    They just don’t have the horses.

    This team, the Edmonton Flames, has the horses:

    Gaudreau – McDavid – Lindholm
    Tkachuk – Drai – Bennett
    Mangiapane – RNH – Neal
    Lomberg – Brodziak – Hathaway

    that top 6 is unreal!

  125. blackadder says:

    I think Benson, Yamamoto and Marody are the best forwards on the farm, and Ryan McLeod’s speed and smarts could get him into the lineup pretty quick too,

    Spooner – MacDavid – Yamamoto
    Reider – Draisatl – Puhljaarvi
    Benson – Nuge – Marody
    Khaira – MacLeod – Chiasson
    Bridziak – caggiula

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Nurse – Bouchard
    Gravel – Bear
    Russell – Benning

    Jones could surprise on Defense. I’d buy-out Lucic if you can’t trade him.

  126. franksterra says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Edward Woodguy?

  127. PennersPancakes says:

    blackadder: Benson – Nuge – Marody

    Id be so excited if this could happen, I imagine this would be the smartest line on the oilers in years. Only issue is how do they pass it into the net hmmm.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – Benning, Jones/Bear as trade for a Parayko type RHD upgrade that will make Nurse solid

    That will get you something alot closer to Petrovic than Parayko…..

  129. pts2pndr says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Well done.

    *clapclap*

    Note: I’m on record saying 91 has been better this year

    I agree and my problem wasn’t so much the player as it was his deployment. When he was struggling defensively McLellan was puting on the PK. He has been much better this year at staying on the right side of the puck and I have also seen him tying up the opponents stick.

  130. Dicky94 says:

    Oilers next year…

    Kreider McDavid JP
    Reider Drai Yamamoto
    Khaira Nuge Tanev
    Lucic Brodziak Kassian
    Spooner Zykov

    Klefbom Parayko
    Russell Larsson
    Sekera Bouchard
    Gravel

    Talbot. Koskinen

    Lucic is going nowhere as long as Chia is the GM.

  131. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: See Woodguy for all your mob needs.

    Truth

    Mobile signs also available.

  132. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    franksterra:
    Jethro Tull,

    Edward Woodguy?

    Not bad.

    Not bad at all.

  133. PennersPancakes says:

    What are the thoughts on Hebig becoming anything more than an AHL player?

    Undrafted first year pro (how often does that work out) about to turn 22 in January but putting up very respectable numbers (9-6-15 in 19GP). Not this year, but imagine it would have to be within the next two seasons to get his cup of coffee if he does?

    With more talent around the NHL in the bottom six instead of fridges on skates I feel he has a chance if this performance keeps up. I say this acknowledging I haven’t seen anything more than highlights.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    With all the complaining we’ve seen/read/hear re: Caggiula at $1.5M, where in the world does the $3M to $3.5M range for Puljujarvi come from?

    I think he’ll come in around $2M, however, at this point, given the vitriol towards Caggiula and $1.5M, its tough to justify Jesse at even 7 figures, is it not?

    This is posted by a guy that really likes Jesse and looks forward to the 22-23 year old Jesse but this is a guy that has very little production this year and doesn’t PK.

    $3M?

  135. pts2pndr says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pesce ranks near the top.

    Dare to dream!!

    Thanks woodguy! Parayko would be my first choice! I was thinking that there might be a small chance if Hurricanes aren’t going to make the playoffs they might consider Bear Yamamoto and a scond or some such scenario.

  136. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    With all the complaining we’ve seen/read/hear re: Caggiula at $1.5M, where in the world does the $3M to $3.5M range for Puljujarvi come from?

    I think he’ll come in around $2M, however, at this point, given the vitriol towards Caggiula and $1.5M, its tough to justify Jesse at even 7 figures, is it not?

    Given Puljujarvi’s draft pedigree and the fact he is only 20 there is lots of track for him yet not so much for Caggiula. If he was a puppy we would say wait til he groes into his paws!

  137. Connoreah says:

    Post trade deadline 2019:
    Athanasiou — McDavid — Puljujarvi
    Reider — Draisaitl — Mark Stone
    Khaira — Nugent Hopkins — Zykov
    Caggiula — Spooner — Kassian
    Lucic, Brodziak

    Klef-Lars
    Nurse-Russel
    Sekera – Gravel

    Koski, Montoya

    NOTES:
    – Stone is only acquired if he’s willing to resign in Edmonton. Next year buy out Lucic, find someone to take Russell to free up more cap.
    – Assets that I would be willing to part with to get AA or MS include: Benning, Kassian (replaced by Marody), Jones, Talbot, 2020 1st round draft pick.

  138. Ribs says:

    I keep reading about Leon Draisaitl as being lazy or slow—or both, and I have to say it’s baffling to me.

    Rawhide keepin’ step with the current reigning Hart Trophy winner right now.

    The bum.

  139. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0: LT metrics:

    Ol’ Timey/game
    Freshie/60
    Picking rocks/summer
    Camping Box/family
    Hidden song references/post

    I love when people find the songs.

  140. Leroy Draisdale says:

    I love Leon, he is probably close to (if not) my favourite Oiler. I don’t think he is lazy but I do find him frustrating at times for the amount of errant passes he makes. Usually they are near the opponents blueline and often that means an odd man rush going the other way.
    I do however think our whole power play is guilty of being lazy or too casual. When we were having more success in October we really got after the loose pucks. They don’t seem to be putting in that effort lately.

  141. flea says:

    The Oilers power play is missing any sort of deception or quick passes. It’s gotten a little better of late but Drai, McDavid and Nuge all seem to hold the puck and really telegraph who they want to pass to. I also don’t understand the long PP shift. I know McDavid could stay up there for two min but if you know you have to come off after 1 min then maybe there is more urgency to complete a play.

  142. Rube Foster says:

    LT,

    Your requested exercise of compiling next years line up has got my wheels churning…

    I have arrived at the following observations. As recently as 10 weeks ago a lot of voices on this blog and in our fair City were of the opinion, “We need to give Lucic a chance to get going and get back to being a top six winger”.

    Thankfully, that narrative seems to have vanished and gone the way of Coach Todd’s suits. The Uncomfortable reality has set in that we are paying top six money for a bottom six player – amd may be for years to come.

    Also, as I struggle to find/project a spot for Spooner in the line-up, I arrive at a conclusion I never thought I’d ever say – I miss Ryan Strome.

  143. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Via Mike Zeisberger from NHL.com

    Babcock on #leafs depth: “No one’s going to get 25 minutes a game up front. If they want that, they need to go to a team with less (good) players.”

    Its open season on Pete, even from NHL coaches.

  144. ArmchairGM says:

    bendelson:
    Rieder-Drai-Niederreiter

    I don’t know how it happens… but want to see it, nevertheless.

    Yes. Nino is currently on pace for 9 goals and has 3.5 more years x $5.25M left. I think the acquisition cost would be pretty low. Since Sekera will be back before the trade deadline, a Nino trade will likely have to be done in the summer.

  145. geowal says:

    blackadder,

    You may be aware, but a Lucic buyout is relatively useless from a cap point of view.

  146. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EDM is shooting 5.98% 5v5 this year, 30th in the NHL.

    We talk about regression to the meat, but what is the meat?

    To find out I looked at every Oiler who took a shot this year and the got their 5v5 SH% since 15/16 so it was a nice large sample which reflected their skill (skill includes shooting skill, but also the skill to get to the high % shooting areas without the puck)

    If every Oiler who took a shot this year shot their 15/16-18/19 SH% they would have 9 more goals.

    Their 5v5 SH% would be 7.26%, which would be 24th in the NHL.

    Thanks Pete.

    The meat is looking lean.

    Also,

    If you’re interesting in who is shooting this year:

    Player 18/19 Shots
    Oscar Klefbom 70
    Darnell Nurse 61
    Connor McDavid 60
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 57
    Adam Larsson 42
    Drake Caggiula 41
    Leon Draisaitl 40
    Matthew Benning 30
    Tobias Rieder 29
    Kyle Brodziak 26
    Alex Chiasson 25
    Ty Rattie 25
    Zack Kassian 25
    Milan Lucic 24
    Jesse Puljujarvi 22
    Kris Russell 22
    Ryan Strome 21
    Jujhar Khaira 19
    Kevin Gravel 14
    Kailer Yamamoto 10
    Jason Garrison 10
    Ryan Spooner 8
    Evan Bouchard 8
    Cooper Marody 6
    Patrick Russell 6
    Chris Wideman 1
    Total 702

    Klefbom and Nurse being your top 2 volume shooters is depressing.

    Hitch keeps talking about “playing between the dots”

    I hope we see it soon…..

  147. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Thanks Pete

    I still see that screen saver on your phone.

  148. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    With all the complaining we’ve seen/read/hear re: Caggiula at $1.5M, where in the world does the $3M to $3.5M range for Puljujarvi come from?

    I think he’ll come in around $2M, however, at this point, given the vitriol towards Caggiula and $1.5M, its tough to justify Jesse at even 7 figures, is it not?

    This is posted by a guy that really likes Jesse and looks forward to the 22-23 year old Jesse but this is a guy that has very little production this year and doesn’t PK.

    $3M?

    He should probably get the Sam Bennet contract. Two years at $1.95

  149. Jethro Tull says:

    geowal:
    blackadder,

    You may be aware, but a Lucic buyout is relatively useless from a cap point of view.

    You may be aware, but the numbers have been run and a buy out yields a $2m savings which can be used on a winger that would produce more than Lucic as per above in thread.

  150. Bulging Twine says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Re: the “Leon is lazy” narrative.

    1) Just stop it.
    2) I get people ripping the roster for too few bonafide NHLers, but the constant ripping of a first-rate NHLer is tiresome & counterproductive. I am constantly reading how Leon is lazy / pouting / a diva / “plays arrogant” whatever that means / has bad body language / yada yada yada. Reminds me of the crap I used to read questioning Ales Hemsky’s character, except coming more from fans this time. Just stop it.
    3) Last game Leon played 28:48, the MOST OF ANY NHL FORWARD ALL SEASON, & the next day he’s getting ripped for being “lazy”? Just stop it.
    4) Leon has played 6 games in a row over 24 minutes, a monstrous total for a forward in one game, let alone every other night. When a d-man plays big minutes, like say Doughty or Suter, he gets praised for how efficiently he conserves energy, picks his spots, controls the pace of play, etc. When Leon does this he is “lazy”. Just stop it.

    That’s good Bruce,
    reminds me of a time my brother came to watch me play. Unfortunately we only had 1 spare that game. I had to play the whole game on D save for one small rest on the bench after a rush up the ice.
    After the game the first thing my brother says is, “why don’t you hustle?” Ha

  151. Side says:

    Draisaitl needs to take notes on how Caggiula moves to make it appear as if he’s hustling really hard, all the time.

  152. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: I still see that screen saver on your phone.

    You’re on fire today Padre

  153. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side:
    Draisaitl needs to take notes on how Caggiula moves to make it appear as if he’s hustling really hard, all the time.

    *Drai studies Caggiula game film*

    *writes “have shorter legs” on note pad*

  154. Side says:

    Woodguy v2.0: *Drai studies Caggiula game film*

    *writes “have shorter legs” on note pad*

    Gotta give Caggiula a bit more credit than that.. do you see how frantically he pumps his arms and shoulders?

  155. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Oh WTF…

    Zykov—McDavid—Rattie
    Benson—Nugent-Hopkins—Jesse Puljujarvi
    Rieder—Draisaitl—Chiasson
    Lucic—Spooner/Khaira—Marody/Caggiula
    Brodziak

    I think KY is going to take another year and I think Benson will be ready before him.
    If Spooner shows, he keeps Benson in AHL for one more year.
    Lucic isn’t going anywhere, but maybe Kassian can be moved…finding an upgrade on 1RW would also be “nice”

    Klef-Lars
    Nurse-?
    Sekera-Bouchard/Persson
    Gravel

    The never ending question mark. Maybe Russell and Kassian can be traded to free up enough cap room for a capable 2-3 year RD signing. Also realize “bringing Seksy back” is a question mark given age and injuries, but if healthy enough he would be an excellent mentor for the “new 3rd RD”.

    Koskinen-Starrett (or vet back-up)

    This is premised with “more of the same” from the small sample size of Koski’s performance in the regular season. I almost shit a brick and barfed at the same time in his first pre-season game.

  156. John Chambers says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I think Puljujarvi gets the Yakupov contract 2 x 2.5M

  157. giddy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    When they traded Hall, the conversations had to be along the lines of:

    A) We’re giving up the best player in this deal but we’re filling a gap at D that is absolutely killing us. Plus Connor and Leon need to be locked up. Katz wants this.

    B) We just drafted a stud W who should be in our Top 6 this year or next at the latest

    C) Lucic is a decent replacement at LW. We’re giving up too much term here given his age but he’s a proven scorer and should have 3-4 good years left.

    This is the problem with rationalization. At the time B and C seemed like reasonable scenarios. But 2 1/2 years later, Hall’s won the Hart, JP is trending to Yakupov redux and Lucic is a 4th liner. Those are the franchise altering moves right there.

    The Hockey Gods gave us Connor but getting Laine too was more than they would tolerate.

    Ha, no kidding on that last point.

    Hard to imagine where this team could be if Lucic’s offensive ability didn’t fall off the face of the planet ad he was still putting up a respectable 0.55 ppg, and if Puljujarvi was a slot-in 0.85 ppg guy like Laine.

    To be fair, in hindsight back in the summer of 2016, those bets seemed somewhat safe. The Lucic contract was a known fact it was going to get ugly around year 5 and onward (all the more reason the contract buy-out structuring is confounding) but to get only one good year out of him is beyond what even the biggest critics of the contract would have suggested. Puljujarvi at number four looked dominant and while I don’t believe many thought he would effortlessly merge into the NHL and begin to tear it up, I also don’t think anyone (except for maybe Kekalainen) thought he’d look barely improved at draft+3.

    Neither of those bets turned out to be the worst case scenario of either (Lucic could have had no offense in his first year here, Puljujarvi could be already in Europe) but they’re currently sitting on the 2nd of a 30 floor building looking down at their respective worst cases waving at them in the street. How much of that can you truly blame on Peter when they booked their own rooms?

    I still have lots of time and patience for Puljujarvi, however. Still so, so young!

  158. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side: Gotta give Caggiula a bit more credit than that.. do you see how frantically he pumps his arms and shoulders?

    This thread has a giggly vibe.

    Giggly vibe = 5-2 EDM win with a EN goal

    *clapclap*

  159. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I think Puljujarvi gets the Yakupov contract 2 x 2.5M

    JimmyV1965: He should probably get the Sam Bennet contract. Two years at $1.95

    These are both correct.

    Term is 2 years, 1.95-2.5 is the neighbourhood

  160. Bag of Pucks says:

    106 and 106:
    They just don’t have the horses.

    This team, the Edmonton Flames, has the horses:

    Gaudreau – McDavid – Lindholm
    Tkachuk – Drai – Bennett
    Mangiapane – RNH – Neal
    Lomberg –Brodziak – Hathaway

    that top 6 is unreal!

    Well they don’t seem to be having any luck getting a new arena built and we did take those old Alberta Oiler jerseys out of mothballs…

  161. giddy says:

    I always wonder how a McDavid / Gaudreau tandem might look. I don’t think there is a single player pairing that has a less likely chance of occurring than that, however.

  162. treevojo says:

    JimmyV1965: He should probably get the Sam Bennet contract. Two years at $1.95

    Jesse puljujarvi 110 gm 15g 15a 30pts

    0.27 ppg

    Sam Bennett 241 gm 42g 47a 89 pts

    .37 ppg

    Jesse is going to have to start putting up some points to justify the Sam Bennett contract.

  163. giddy says:

    treevojo: Jesse puljujarvi110 gm15g 15a 30pts

    0.27 ppg

    Sam Bennett 241 gm42g 47a 89 pts

    .37 ppg

    Jesse is going to have to start putting up some points to justify the Sam Bennett contract.

    Bennett had 63 pts in 159 games when he signed his contract. Good for a rounded up .4 ppg.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Given Puljujarvi’s draft pedigree and the fact he is only 20 there is lots of track for him yet not so much for Caggiula. If he was a puppy we would say wait til he groes into his paws!

    Sure, Puljujarvi has the higher potential, not doubt and I have little doubt he will be worth that contract/cap hit in time, however, he simply hasn’t earned anything close to that type of AAV, not even half of it – not yet.

    Don’t get me wrong, I want Jesse on this team over Caggiula (even though Caggiula has shown some very nice improvements this year) but I can’t reconcile a forum (generalizing) that hates the Caggiula over pay at $1.5M and then professes (generalizing, it was only 3 suggestions) a second contract for Jesse that is double (or more).

    I wasn’t even trying to compare the players just the vibe regarding Drake at $1.5M over Jessse at $3M plus (potentially).

    Paying for potential is a thing but, at this point, that gets Jesse’s second contract closer to $1.5M than $3.5M, in my opinon

  165. treevojo says:

    giddy: Bennett had 63 pts in 159 games when he signed his contract. Good for a rounded up .4 ppg.

    Shit you are right.

    I thought he signed that after last year.

    That’s what I get for commenting on someone from that asshole of a team.

  166. giddy says:

    If I’m a non-Oilers GM, I’m sending an offer sheet to Puljujarvi for $2m AAV for two years. Oilers aren’t paying him less than that and if they choose not to match, you only have to give up a 3rd round pick.

  167. McSorley33 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Taylor Hall will be an Oiler when he hist free agency – he”ll be back to finish what he started.
    **************************************************************************************************
    Or he signs with the Calgary Flames …..out of deep, deep respect for Kevin Lowe, Craig McTavish
    and the boys. PC will be long gone by then…

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: You may be aware, but the numbers have been run and a buy out yields a $2m savings which can be used on a winger that would produce more than Lucic as per above in thread.

    This isn’t quite true as the amount of the cap hit bounces around and for two of the next four years (if he’s bought out this off-season), the cap savings is less than $400K. Sure there is almost $25M of savings for next year but then we lose almost all that savings for the following year – tough to plan that way:

    2019-20 $3,625,000
    2020-21 $5,625,000
    2021-22 $4,125,000
    2022-23 $5,625,000

  169. godot10 says:

    Alpine:
    Leon’s probably gonna get flack until he centres his own line. I don’t really care about his style of play as long he produces. I think I take more issue with his apparent continual itching to play with Connor.

    Yeah it’s fun playing with 97 but I don’t know man you’re making a lot of money just to be the second best player on a line. Sorry but I want two good lines instead of one. The Colorado’s and Boston’s with one elite line are fizzling out in the first two rounds.

    McDavid has been a drag on the Draisaitl/Chiasson pair. Those two were tearing it up unless they had to carry McDavid around.

  170. treevojo says:

    giddy:
    If I’m a non-Oilers GM, I’m sending an offer sheet to Puljujarvi for $2m AAV for two years. Oilers aren’t paying him less than that and if they choose not to match, you only have to give up a 3rd round pick.

    Gms don’t do offer sheets anymore.

    Ask Godot.

  171. godot10 says:

    Oilman99: Maybe its a conditioning problem,that would explain why he tires quickly. I think its time for him to train in NA with a trainer like Roberts.

    He’s playing over 20 minutes a game. Draisaitl has to be one of the more fitter players to do that.

  172. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I think Puljujarvi gets the Yakupov contract 2 x 2.5M

    He might – he shouldn’t, but he might.

  173. OriginalPouzar says:

    giddy:
    If I’m a non-Oilers GM, I’m sending an offer sheet to Puljujarvi for $2m AAV for two years. Oilers aren’t paying him less than that and if they choose not to match, you only have to give up a 3rd round pick.

    If the Oilers “aren’t paying him less than that” then wouldn’t they just match?

  174. Bling says:

    Hahahahahahaha

    There’s no way Hall signs with Edmonton as a UFA.

  175. Bling says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    ViaMike Zeisberger from NHL.com

    Babcock on #leafs depth: “No one’s going to get 25 minutes a game up front. If they want that, they need to go to a team with less (good) players.”

    Its open season on Pete, even from NHL coaches.

    Brilliant.

  176. HT Joe says:

    106 and 106:
    They just don’t have the horses. This team, the Edmonton Flames, has the horses:

    Gaudreau – McDavid – Lindholm
    Tkachuk – Drai – Bennett
    Mangiapane – RNH – Neal
    Lomberg –Brodziak – Hathaway

    Sorry to nitpick but 2 items:
    – You missed Monahan, who has more points than Draisatl.
    – Are you intentionally vindicating Kelly Hrudy by making RNH a 3rd line Centre? haha

  177. HT Joe says:

    Bling:
    Hahahahahahaha
    There’s no way Hall signs with Edmonton as a UFA.

    I don’t think there’s any chance he re-signs with the Oilers. If I’m being honest with myself, I don’t think there’s any chance RNH or Larsson do either.

  178. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo: Shit you are right.

    I thought he signed that after last year.

    That’s what I get for commenting on someone from that asshole of a team.

    Yes they are assholes.

    *clapclap*

  179. McSorley33 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    29 was slow to start the season (again) without the puck but picked up his play and now his results trump all.

    EDM fans are big on style points.
    *****************************************************************************************
    Truth. Truth Truth. He was really slow to start the season.

    It doesn’t sound too far fetched that sometimes Leon’s effort with and without the pucks seems
    to differ. Sometimes dramatically. Not always, of course.

    Fans usually have a pretty good meter for ‘give a shit’ factor.

    I have not seen anyone in here say Leon Draisaitl is the problem.

  180. Munny says:

    Pretty good segment on That’s Hockey Tonite on the Oilers.

    One stat:

    Opposition Dump-ins

    Under Hitch: 54 percent (best in the League)
    Under TMac: 46 percent

    Another…

    Successful retrieval and zone exit after dump-in:

    Hitch: 76 percent (best in the League)
    TMac: 65 percent

  181. Munny says:

    Munny:
    Pretty big segment on That’s Hockey Tonite on the Oilers…

    The first caveat that comes to my mind is these stats don’t account for any differences in strength of schedule.

  182. Bank Shot says:

    Melman:
    Bag of Pucks,

    This is a good synopsis and also highlights the ineptitude of the decision. I’m sure there are rare examples, but the golden rule of whoever gets the best player wins the trade is a golden rule for a reason.4 quarters for a dollar never gets you more than a handful of meh.There is never a good skill reason to rationalize trading away the best player in the deal, and this organization’s Achilles heel that has plagued them for more than a decade is that belief in rationalization and that they are the smartest person in the room.Keeping Hall and fixing the D by other means was always the better decision.

    I guess there was probably major pressure on Chiarelli from ownership to fix the D and fix it yesterday.

    It doesn’t excuse the trade. It was a terrible deal, but tinkering around signing tier C free agents or trading lesser players for crap D wasn’t going to move the dial.

    MacT used up all the goodwill of “sit on your hands, and wait for internal growth”.

    It’s funny that Toronto traded away Kessel for way less return, than what Chiarelli got for Hall and nobody cares anymore. It’s a non topic.

    If the Oilers could get some kind of internal growth from drafted, signed players every once in awhile it would be a non issue here too.

  183. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: This isn’t quite true as the amount of the cap hit bounces around and for two of the next four years (if he’s bought out this off-season), the cap savings is less than $400K. Sure there is almost $25M of savings for next year but then we lose almost allthat savings for the following year – tough to plan that way:

    2019-20$3,625,000
    2020-21$5,625,000
    2021-22$4,125,000
    2022-23$5,625,000

    https://theathletic.com/651302/2018/11/15/dellow-if-nothing-changes-oilers-should-buy-out-milan-lucic-next-summer/

    Some competent GMing should minimize the damage from a Looch buyout. I think it should be done as virtually any ELC, even a draft bust is better value. And the sad thing is that it isn’t hyperbole to say so.

  184. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: This thread has a giggly vibe.

    Giggly vibe = 5-2 EDM win with a EN goal

    *clapclap*

    Against the Wild? Those are ‘shroom giggles.

  185. John Chambers says:

    No Giordano Sunday

    That’s kind of a big deal

  186. Bulging Twine says:

    –hudson–:
    Hitchcock is doing that thing again.First he comes in praising the work of McLellan and this morning he lays waste to the old system.Todd’s ears would be burning if he caught this mornings comments.
    https://youtu.be/ysRH19LXwAw

    Interesting comments on the D still not being connected to the F.
    Interesting comments on possession and making the opponent stiff-legged.

    Very significant listen as Hitchcock reveals his offensive zone philosophy (so great as a fan to have an open articulate coach btw and it’s great as a player to know exactly what the coach is looking for.)

    I almost did an oh-oh as he said that scoring chances are irrelevant to him. Most coaches – that is their main measurement. Then in his next statement he places value on the scoring chance but he believes there is something that comes before a scoring chance and makes the scoring chance better – possession time.

    He believes in a wearing down of the opposition until they play “straight legged” and his team gets maybe one excellent scoring opportunity and in the mean time you haven’t allowed the opposition any scoring chances because the puck is 200 ft from your net and I kinda think that is what he really loves – keeping the puck far from our zone.

    My one concern on that philosophy, and he would have an answer or three for me on it, is this: does he value the puck in the corner more than play direct to the net? Does he want McDavid and others to skate the puck to the corner and cycle or whatever for a while and thus reducing ‘rush chances’ which appear to be how a lot of goals are scored. So is he giving up great rush scoring chances to play defence in the offensive zone. Maybe he’s right. It seems to be working!

  187. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure, Puljujarvi has the higher potential, not doubt and I have little doubt he will be worth that contract/cap hit in time, however, he simply hasn’t earned anything close to that type of AAV, not even half of it – not yet.

    Don’t get me wrong, I want Jesse on this team over Caggiula (even though Caggiula has shown some very nice improvements this year) but I can’t reconcile a forum (generalizing) that hates the Caggiula over pay at $1.5M and then professes (generalizing, it was only 3 suggestions) a second contract for Jesse that is double (or more).

    I wasn’t even trying to compare the players just the vibe regarding Drake at $1.5M over Jessse at $3M plus (potentially).

    Paying for potential is a thing but, at this point, that gets Jesse’s second contract closer to $1.5M than $3.5M, in my opinon

    Valid point!

  188. Reja says:

    Big game tonight need the 2 points badly.Secondary scoring is a must have to take the pressure off the Connor line.The Rat and the Spoon line connect and get it done tonight.

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan McLeod with a first period goal.

  190. thehop says:

    Reading Drew Doughty’s comments today. Doesn’t sound like a happy guy in LA.Always thought he was the missing piece to the Oilers puzzle.

    I’d trade just about anyone to see him with McDavid for a 4-5 year stretch.

    Since there is clearly some spitballing regarding the roster going on here tonight.

    What does he cost?

  191. John Chambers says:

    Giordano suspended and Koivu injured on the same play.

    Sets up the weekend nicely!

  192. giddy says:

    OriginalPouzar: If the Oilers “aren’t paying him less than that” then wouldn’t they just match?

    Messed up the wording of that. Oilers aren’t going to pay him less than $2m, because why wouldn’t a GM offersheet Puljujarvi then?

  193. Glovjuice says:

    who:
    I would trade Kassian, Benning and Cagguila just to get their contracts off the books. Sucks that Cagguila is hurt because he is the one guy you would be able to get an asset for. You might get something for Benning. Kassian would be a giveaway but you are creating cap space.
    I don’t think you can give Spooner away, and we know Lucic is impossible, but trading the first three and replacing them with 700,000 players would give you 3.2 million in cap space.
    If you extend Koskinen at 3.5 and spend another 2.5 on the 2nd goalie you have another million in cap space.
    These savings might give you enough money to bring in one quality winger or dman next year. Or you hang on to the money and next years lineup looks like this;
    ZykovMcDavid Rattie
    Rieder Drai Chiasson
    KhairaNugeJP
    Lucic BrodziakMarody
    Spooner Russell

    Klefbom Larsson
    Nurse Russell
    Sekera Bear
    Gravel

    Koskinen,?

    This lineup looks eerily similar to this years but you do have 4 million in cap space so you could bring in 1 significantl player. Keep in mind some of the cap space may be eaten up by small raises to Rieder, Chiasson, Gravel and JP.
    You could also hope for some guys like Yamamoto, Benson, Hebig,Bouchard, Jonesor Lagesson to push a more expensive veteran out. This could easily happen on defense. It may allow you to trade Russell, Sekera or Nurse which creates some more cap space to improve in another area.

    Looks like everyone is catching on to how horrendous the Spooner trade was. I’m stunned Chia isn’t ripped more for how bad this trade was – must be due to in season distraction I guess. Wow, what a bad trade.

  194. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard with a first period assist – another even strength and another primary point.

    His 5 X 5 GF% and PP/60 are off the charts.

  195. Glovjuice says:

    Side: Gotta give Caggiula a bit more credit than that.. do you see how frantically he pumps his arms and shoulders?

    They move in unison with his legs which is totally unorthodox – it’s why he handles the puck akin to how a broomball player bats a broomball around.

  196. Bank Shot says:

    Side:
    Draisaitl needs to take notes on how Caggiula moves to make it appear as if he’s hustling really hard, all the time.

    Or maybe just hustle more.

    It’s not like fans are fooled by the mirage of tall guys looking slow.

    Kassian is the same height as Draisaitl and he has way more hustle in his game.

    You can see it.

    We all know Draisaitl is a way better player than Kassian, but don’t you think he’d be better if he moved his feet in the defensive end of the ice?

  197. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bank Shot,

    It’s funny that Toronto traded away Kessel for way less return, than what Chiarelli got for Hall and nobody cares anymore. It’s a non topic.

    Those are two different players.

    Kessel is more like a very high end Eberle.

    Doesn’t drive the play to the offensive zone himself and weak in the dzone, but once in the ozone is a high end finisher.

    Hall drives the play to the ozone at an elite rate.

    Doesn’t finish as well as players like Eberle or Kessel, but “causes offense”.

    Hall is also an elite passer.

    There really isn’t a straight line between Hall and Kessel.

  198. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: Against the Wild? Those are ‘shroom giggles.

    I’d love some shrooms.

    Its been years.

  199. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers:
    No Giordano Sunday

    That’s kind of a big deal

    Giant deal.

    CGY Gio On ice 64.3%
    CGY Gio Off ice 45.7%

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