Game 32 2018-19: Oilers at Jets

Ken Hitchcock has his Edmonton Oilers in a good spot after a wicked 8-2-1 run that served as his introduction (as if he needed one) to Oilers Nation. Hitchcock, who has been dealing with a roster that lacks depth, will need to find a workaround for the injury to Oscar Klefbom. The young defender is averaging 25:25 TOI this season, easily one of the top 10 totals across the NHL this season. Harry Houdini couldn’t get out of this fix, but Harry Houdini isn’t Ken Hitchcock. This should be interesting. 

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Tyler Dellow: A look at which first lines are producing (and which ones aren’t) (Oilers content inside)
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Connor McDavid became the world’s fastest skater. 
  • Lowetide: Contemplating Oilers roster changes as injured players prepare to return. 
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers are bending, but not breaking, in one-goal games under Ken Hitchcock. 
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Kim Boutin: Amid threats, she took the short track to Canadians’ hearts. 
  • Lowetide: I have seen the future of Edmonton’s power play, and its quarterback is Evan Bouchard. Or Joel Persson. Or both! 
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Hitchcock’s turnaround of the Oilers takes another positive step as they climb back to a playoff pace. 
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 32

  • Oilers in 201514-16-2, 30 points; goal differential -9
  • Oilers in 2016: 15-12-5, 35 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 13-17-2, 28 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2018: 17-12-2, 36 points; goal differential +2

The 2018 Oilers are facing a difficult moment, with games against the Jets, Flyers and Vancouver over the next four days. What’s reasonable? 1-1-1? Important to gain some points over the rest of this week, despite being shorthanded. In other words, Edmonton needs to be better by some margin than they were against Dallas sans McDavid. 

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-1-0, 12 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in December 2016: 3-1-3, nine points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2017: 4-3-0, eight points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in December 2018: 5-1-0, 10 points; goal differential +7

A strong run in December has been a joy for the organization and the fans, Klefbom’s injury has to be overcome but there’s something notable happening here. Does it have sustain?

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DECEMBER

  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 0-1-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota, Calgary(Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: Colorado, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, San Jose, Winnipeg (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 5-1-0, 10 points in six games

I had tonight as a win, no doubt influenced by one of my favourite games by the Oilers this season. A win tonight and Edmonton will have secured 12 of the 14 points I projected for December—with seven games remaining! Insanity. Heresy. 

GOT A FEELING CALLED THE BLUES

Apparently the St. Louis Blues have lost their heads and are prepared to trade anyone on the roster. I’m a fan of so many players on that team the mind boggles, but am prepared to limit myself to discussing Colton Parayko, Vladimir Tarasenko and Patrick Maroon. If you’re Peter Chiarelli, hell it could be one-stop shopping! Maroon is $1.75 million on a one-year, Tarasenko is $7.5 million times all the years until 2023, Parayko $5.5 million times four. 

What would it take? All of your young people, that’s my guess. It’s a sweet dream but the Oilers can’t make a trade for Parayko because the team lacks depth. Nurse & Puljujarvi would have to be cornerstones of a deal is my guess, you might get Maroon for a pick (now or deadline) and it would be a heavy price for Tarasenko that might involve one of the big four. 

TOTAL RECALL

Caleb Jones is an NHL player this morning, he’s a fast player and that’s a major calling card in the modern game. Jones can pass and has clearly learned how to defend and recognize danger. Here’s what I wrote about him summer 2017:

  1. Does he have a real chance? Jones is part of a large group of defensemen arriving at the same time in pro hockey. Superficially, he is in competition with Ziyat Paigin, Ethan Bear and Ryan Mantha. It’s possible more than one develop and all should have a chance based on resume. None have the draft pedigree to be considered ‘sure things’ in my mind, but he has a better chance than his draft number implied.
  2. What one thing will get him to the NHL? Speed. You can’t teach it, it doesn’t go into slumps and it is useful on offense and defense. Jones has it. Big advantage.

CAGGIULA

Drake Caggiula is back in the lineup, he’s a player Ken Hitchcock played heavily before the injury. Drake’s time away has given the coach a chance to see Jujhar Khaira’s skills and that could impact things as they relate to Caggiula. I expect he’ll start on the Spooner line but that may not last the evening. 

TONIGHT

There are times in life, like when your wife is giving her first public speech or your son or daughter is competing in a sports day while gifted with your genes, when you cheer like hell with a full heart and will be overwhelmed by emotion no matter the outcome. 

Then there are times when the team you follow is shorthanded on the road and playing a team hell bent for leather because you gave them a sock in the jaw in October. Cheer! Scream! Throw stuff! The boys are in tough tonight at the Gateway to the West, in Muddy Water, Manitoba. 

The boys have Ken Hitchcock and Connor McDavid. They have a chance. 

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

An impressive group of guests will arrive on your computer, transistor or car radio this morning at 10 if you tune in to TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Murat Ates, The Athletic. We’ll talk about that October 16 game that looked like a turning point in the season and the Jets since. 
  • Scott Cullen, The Athletic. We’ll chat about the Oilers under Hitchcock, regression, and candidates to have a falloff in the coming weeks. 
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. We’ll chat Oilers without Klefbom, Flames finding a way and Flyers Flyers Flyers. 

10-1260 text, @Lowetide twitter. See you on the radio! 

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff standings using Points Percentage, expressed as “games over/under fake Bettman .500”

    Central
    WPG 10
    NSH 10
    COL 8

    Pacific
    CGY 10
    ANA 6
    EDM 5

    Wildcard
    SJS 5
    MIN 4
    —————–
    Out of Playoffs
    DAL 4
    VGK 4
    ARI -1
    VAN -2
    STL -3
    CHI -8
    LAK -8

    Log jam for the final wildcard spot broken by games played. MIN has played 30, DAL 31 and VGK 33.

    EDM gets nod over SJS for 3rd due to 1 less gp than SJS.

    Last night sucked for EDM.

    If you missed it PHI (with Couturier in the line up there Jordan..next time you decide to correct me at least be correct…unless we have a bottle of whiskey on the line, then feel free to be wrong. 🙂 ) had a 2 goal lead with 1:08 left in the game and blew it. CGY scored 2 to tie it and then in OT to win. Man.

    ANA crushed DAL 6-3 after DAL got a 3-0 lead in the 1st. (Montour with 4 points, Kase with a hatty)

    VGK outlasted NYI with a 3rd period goal to break the tie and held on.

    Tonight’s Pacific and MIN/DAL games:

    ARI at BUF
    LAK at CBJ
    VAN at NSH
    FLA at MIN
    EDM at WPG
    DAL at SJS

    Lots going on tonight.

    The WPG game will be very tough for the good guys.

    *clapclap*

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oiler Goal Share after 31 games (17-12-2)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 31-20 (61%)
    McDavid Off Ice 30-39 (43%)
    EV=+2

    Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
    23-23
    ST=0

    Empty Net: (all 5v6 & 5v6)
    3-9
    EN= -6

    SO
    1-0

    SO=+1

    Net Goal Differential -3

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HITCHCOCK ERA:
    Oiler Goal Share after 11 games (8-2-1)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 11-6 (65%)
    McDavid Off Ice 12-11 (52%) —> Woot!
    Net EV +6

    Special Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against):
    6-4
    Net ST +2

    Empty Net:
    1-4
    Net EN -3

    SO
    1-0
    SO=+1

    Net Goal Differential +6
    10:13 PM – 11 Dec 2018

  4. npanciroli says:

    Maybe I’m crazy but with the way the team has been playing and Rieder on his way back soon I wonder if you can package Caggiula up in a trade to upgrade a position?

    I bet he’s a guy that other teams would be interested in.

  5. frjohnk says:

    With Caleb Jones callup, I sure hope he gets more than a cup of coffee.

    Hopefully a bunch of beers.

  6. Professor Q says:

    frjohnk:
    With Caleb Jones callup, I sure hope he gets more than a cup of coffee.

    Hopefully a bunch of beers.

    I’m getting depressed with all these way-too-early draft mocks seeing him being offed to Seattle.

    I want him to succeed here with Bear, damn it!

  7. Pescador says:

    “Harry Houdini couldn’t get out of this fix, but Harry Houdini isn’t Ken Hitchcock.”

    Man,
    So good Lowetide
    Thank you. That is all

  8. Paulie says:

    There are times in life, like when your wife is giving her first public speech or your son or daughter is competing in a sports day while gifted with your genes, when you cheer like hell with a full heart and will be overwhelmed by emotion no matter the outcome.

    I love this blog for LT’s astute summaries, the analytics, the debates, the comments, the snark. Love it also for prose like the above. Beautiful.

  9. knighttown says:

    We shouldn’t complain too much about this Klefbom thing. If you exclude Sekera, the Oilers are right down at the very bottom of the league in CHIP (cap hit injured players) with teams like Minny, Calgary and Colorado. They’ve lost no one of consequence (based on cap hits) when compared to the rest of the league.

    So Klefbom is out at as good a time as any.

    With Drake and Toby returning our forward group is ultra healthy and has too many true NHLers and Benning and Gravel are playing their best defense of the year. Jones is ripening to the point that coming in as a 6/7 doesn’t feel the least bit rushed. For all of Nurse’s warts a) he can handle major minutes and b) doesn’t seem to be any worse against elites when paired with Larsson (than he is at handling seconds when paired with Russell.

    I’d consider 7 Defense but don’t love 11 forwards with how well that group is doing so I’d stick with the traditional 12/6.

    I’d run 25/6 a lot…like they did with 77/6

    I’d give Benning the PP1.

    I’m really not sure what to do about D #3 through #6. Benning seems better with Russell but Russell is the one safe bet to be on that second pairing. Can you slot Jones in 2LD? Ugh. Raw rookie and Russ on wrong side. If you put 5/83 as 2D that demotes Russell to 3D and I just don’t see them doing that.

  10. godot10 says:

    frjohnk:
    With Caleb Jones callup, I sure hope he gets more than a cup of coffee.

    Hopefully a bunch of beers.

    Andrew Ference frowns at you.

  11. Side says:

    godot10: Andrew Ference frowns at you.

    Nice.

  12. Durag says:

    Remember when we thought the Oilers might squeak into 3rd place in the “weak Pacific”? It’s starting to look like 5 playoff teams from our div is a real possibility.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Caleb Jones is an NHL player this morning, he’s a fast player and that’s a major calling card in the modern game. Jones can pass and has clearly learned how to defend and recognize danger. Here’s what I wrote about him summer 2017:

    1) Does he have a real chance? Jones is part of a large group of defensemen arriving at the same time in pro hockey. Superficially, he is in competition with Ziyat Paigin, Ethan Bear and Ryan Mantha. It’s possible more than one develop and all should have a chance based on resume. None have the draft pedigree to be considered ‘sure things’ in my mind, but he has a better chance than his draft number implied.
    2) What one thing will get him to the NHL? Speed. You can’t teach it, it doesn’t go into slumps and it is useful on offense and defense. Jones has it. Big advantage.

    Injuries have given opportunity to young hockey players since they started making young hockey players.

    I am hoping and cheering with every fiber of my being that Jones gets some games and impresses Hitch enough to be a regular until Sekera returns (which will before Klef returns)

    This would give the GM evidence that he can move a LHD (or two) for help elsewhere after the season or maybe even during……

    Gordspeed Caleb!!

    *clapclap*

  14. Jaxon says:

    npanciroli:
    Maybe I’m crazy but with the way the team has been playing and Rieder on his way back soon I wonder if you can package Caggiula up in a trade to upgrade a position?

    I bet he’s a guy that other teams would be interested in.

    I’d send out any of Caggiula, Kassian, or Spooner for Alex Petrovic. He’s a UFA this summer so he’d be a rental to most teams so the cost shouldn’t be too high. But for Edmonton he could be more than a rental. I bet there is a good chance he re-signs before June to stay in his hometown. The outgoing players all have 2 years left (this and next) and range in cap from 1.5, 1.95, and 3.1 to Petrovic’s 1.95, so the money should work for Florida who has enough cap space for any of them. If try like hell to make it Spooner to dump that salary and I think you could make a good argument to Florida’s GM in favour of the deal. Seeing 50 games with Petrovic as your 2RD would be very valuable heading into next summer when they can trade one or both of Russell and Sekera. Petrovic is big and can fight if needed so that’s another bonus.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    I assume Talbot starts tonight and Koskinen tomorrow.

    I doubt Jones makes it in to the lineup for tonight but who knows.

    Who comes out for Caggiula – one of the Rattie, Spooner or Zykov but does Caggiula simply take the spot on the line or does coach make some more changes?

  16. flea says:

    I wonder where the Oilers would be if they had decided to stay the course with McLellan. 10 points out tonight? We’d be talking draft.

    The Pacific division may never lose again.

  17. flea says:

    Jaxon,

    Also an ex teammate of RNH in Red Deer.

  18. JimmyV1965 says:

    Would love to get Tarasenko out of St. Louis, but then I remembered him and Hitch aren’t BFFs.

  19. commonfan29 says:

    knighttown: If you exclude Sekera,

    Why would you?

  20. 106 and 106 says:

    There are times in life, like when your wife is giving her first public speech or your son or daughter is competing in a sports day while gifted with your genes, when you cheer like hell with a full heart and will be overwhelmed by emotion no matter the outcome.

    HELL FOR LEATHER BOYS!!!!

  21. dustrock says:

    If someone wanted to run the numbers to back it up, I would be interested in Maroon & Parayko for Nurse & Puljujarvi.

    Or does Radko (Great Name or Greatest Name?) Gudas switch over locker rooms after the Philly game?

  22. giddy says:

    Durag:
    Remember when we thought the Oilers might squeak into 3rd place in the “weak Pacific”? It’s starting to look like 5 playoff teams from our div is a real possibility.

    Yep, Pacific went from being the laughing stock of the league to suddenly having five teams flat out gunning.

    Ducks only looking to continue to better their record as more guys come off the IR. Sharks are begging to go on a heater once Jones’ SV% finally rebounds (he’s not running a .900 all year). I have no idea what is going on with VGK but they’re 8-2-0 in their last 10. Flames are hot as can be and are channeling their 14-15 squad when they’d be randomly winning games in the 3rd period night-in night-out.

    Oilers without Klefbom for weeks hurts. Let us pray for that Dallas and the Wild don’t get their wheels spinning.

  23. v4ance says:

    One stop shopping? Would people do:

    Jesse, Nurse and Lucic (50% salary retained) for Parayko and Maroon?

    Parayko and Maroon would be $7.25 million in cap and the outgoing Oilers would be about $8 million with Jesse’s bonuses possibly pushing it up higher.

    EDIT:

    The Blues would probably have to throw another body to the Oilers to even out the cap hits since the Blues are only $600k under the cap. Then the Oilers would even out the trade with a 3rd rounder or something….

    So Puljulijarvi, Nurse, Lucic (50% retained) + 3rd rounder
    For Parayko Maroon and NHL league min contract

  24. giddy says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Would love to get Tarasenko out of St. Louis, but then I remembered him and Hitch aren’t BFFs.

    That’s a problem I was pondering yesterday with Pietrangelo even. Do any of them really want to come play under Hitch again, especially in Edmonton of all places? Most are probably begging to just be sent to the Panthers so they can soak up some sun and play with no particular expectations.

  25. selective sam poll says:

    Durag,

    The only team I’d worry about is VGK. Watching all the condensed games…with goals scored by cowgary and Ana you get a sense they will fall in the standings soon. Quite a bit of luck on top of recent wins. Only a third way through the season teams will go through hot and cold spells.

  26. bendelson says:

    Paulie,

    Pescador,

    Hell Bent for Leather. A song title and an old-timey turn of phrase?
    LT is on fire this morning!

    106 and 106,

    Hell for Leather. Another song title and another old-timey turn of phrase. Well done.

  27. Melvis says:

    I’d rather see Koski’s glove hand in the Peg. Plus the rest of him. The Oilers are gonna need it.

    Also I must have missed something along the way. What, if anything, happened to Zeke? For a minute there, I thought I saw a player.

  28. v4ance says:

    Going back to yesterday’s thread…. My belief was that with McDavid and Hall on the team, the Oilers could have won at least two Stanley Cups behind those two driving two seperate dominant lines and RNH and Drai killing the soft underbelly on a 3rd line. I believed Unicorns were in reach if the management had just shown enough patience.

    If you ask me what it would take for me to forgive Chiarelli for all his missteps, it would be him guiding the Oilers to two cups with just McDavid as the centerpiece. I think McDavid will power a team to at least one cup while he’s in his prime years but Chiarelli cheated him out of another through his flawed roster construction.

  29. ArmchairGM says:

    Jaxon: I’d send out any of Caggiula, Kassian, or Spooner for Alex Petrovic. He’s a UFA this summer so he’d be a rental to most teams so the cost shouldn’t be too high. But for Edmonton he could be more than a rental. I bet there is a good chance he re-signs before June to stay in his hometown.The outgoing players all have 2 years left (this and next) and range in cap from 1.5, 1.95, and 3.1 to Petrovic’s 1.95, so the money should work for Florida who has enough cap space for any of them. If try like hell to make it Spooner to dump that salary and I think you could make a good argument to Florida’s GM in favour of the deal. Seeing 50 games with Petrovic as your 2RD would be very valuable heading into next summer when they can trade one or both of Russell and Sekera. Petrovic is big and can fight if needed so that’s another bonus.

    I’d rather target Pysyk if we’re talking to Florida about RHD.

  30. Oilin4 says:

    v4ance:
    One stop shopping?Would people do:

    Jesse, Nurse and Lucic (50% salary retained) for Parayko and Maroon?

    Parayko and Maroon would be $7.25 million in cap and the outgoing Oilers would be about $8 million with Jesse’s bonuses possibly pushing it up higher.

    EDIT:

    The Blues would probably have to throw another body to the Oilers to even out the cap hits since the Blues are only $600k under the cap.Then the Oilers would even out the trade with a 3rd rounder or something….

    So Puljulijarvi, Nurse, Lucic (50% retained) + 3rd rounder
    For Parayko Maroon and NHL league min contract

    A potential draft bust, a second pairing D, and a bum contract for a top pairing RH NHL D (plus a second liner on a loan)? If only….

  31. Mustard Tiger says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I like seeing the standings this way, but I have one minor complaint. Shouldn’t it be “points over/under fake Bettman .500”, rather than “games over/under fake Bettman .500”?

    ‘Games’ confuses me, but maybe that’s just me. Love your posts WG

  32. doritogrande says:

    Was there an update on Klefbom’s injury and expected recovery? All I’m running on is “injured”.

    Thanks.

    – Third tier fan.

  33. Professor Q says:

    There was a recent article that I saw, about McDavid’s training regimen with Joe Quinn, beginning at 11 years of age.

    It would be very interesting for Edmonton to develop a modified version of Power Edge Pro, like Erie did back in Connor’s OHL days, and have not just McDavid continue on but have the whole team try to better themselves and continually challenge each other, too.

  34. BONE207 says:

    Can St. Louis & Winnipeg both be gateways to the west? St. Louis has the arch & Winnipeg has the ever flooding Red River. Let’s flood them out of house & arena for another Hitchmas miracle. My brick will be on hand…

  35. PennersPancakes says:

    Considering acquisition cost, performance, and fit: Would Petrovic or Gudas be a better trade target? Both teams are bottom 3 of the east which might make it easier to pry someone away.

    Caggiula definitely seems like a Philly type player, I think Hextall had some positive comments about him when Edmonton signed Caggs out of college.

  36. Professor Q says:

    doritogrande:
    Was there an update on Klefbom’s injury and expected recovery? All I’m running on is “injured”.

    Thanks.

    – Third tier fan.

    Broken fingers, I think, and unexpected time out, for now.

    Maybe they’ve had more updates today, however, but unlikely it will matter until quite a few games from now.

  37. N64 says:

    giddy: Yep, Pacific went from being the laughing stock of the league to suddenly having five teams flat out gunning.

    At that pace their only be 3 playoff teams in central. Ducks seem suspect though. We’ll see how Oil handle the Klef Kliff.

  38. Mustard Tiger says:

    There almost has to be a trade coming when Caggiula and Rieder come back, right? Assuming everyone stays healthy. Or do they just sit Zykov and Rattie?

    Chiasson-Mcd-Drai
    Khaira-Nuge-Pulju
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Rieder-Spooner-Caggiula

    Rattie-Zykov

    Is this what depth looks like? Switch lines 3 and 4 if you wish.

  39. N64 says:

    Mustard Tiger:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I like seeing the standings this way, but I have one minor complaint. Shouldn’t it be “points over/under fake Bettman .500”, rather than “games over/under fake Bettman .500”?

    ‘Games’ confuses me, but maybe that’s just me. Love your posts WG

    Concur. It is points under “Bettman” .500. For every baseball fan those definitely do not look like games over/under.

    (Baseball teams would have to lose 162 games to be 82 games below .500 and 162 games behind a team that won all 162 games)

  40. godot10 says:

    dustrock:
    If someone wanted to run the numbers to back it up, I would be interested in Maroon & Parayko for Nurse & Puljujarvi.

    Or does Radko (Great Name or Greatest Name?) Gudas switch over locker rooms after the Philly game?

    That is a horrible deal.

    Maroon is basically worth nothing. Nurse and Puljujarvi for Parayko is a massive overpayment. It doesn’t change the number of actual top 4D, and one loses a top-9 forward who has a decade of good hockey at a reasonable cost in front of him.

  41. russ99 says:

    Tarasenko is a non-starter. We can’t eat cap space like other teams, and Draisaitl is playing pretty damn well on McDavid’s wing, so I’m not sure there’s a break up the roster/sell the farm need.

    Maybe Kassian and a pick and a prospect for Maroon would work.

  42. Dominoiler says:

    knighttown,

    Why can’t gravel move up to play w Russell?.. seems the logical move to me..

  43. Jaxon says:

    ArmchairGM: I’d rather target Pysyk if we’re talking to Florida about RHD.

    Florida is playing Petrovic more than Pysyk this season 17:55 to 17:29 per game (they are close), and they play Petrovic on the PP, but not Pysyk. Pysyk doesn’t have the physical game that Petrovic does either. I’d think Hitchcock might appreciate Petrovic more. Also, the cost for acquiring Petrovic would likely be less as he is a UFA at the end of this season. Pysyk has an extra year and, for Edmonton, there would be less cost savings in Pysyk as he makes $2.73M to Petrovic’s $1.95M. Also, since the start of 2016-2017, Petrovic has a higher 5v5 Points/60 rate at 0.81 to 0.72. Since then Petrovic’s CF% has been slightly better as well.

  44. russ99 says:

    v4ance:
    Going back to yesterday’s thread…. My belief was that with McDavid and Hall on the team, the Oilers could have won at least two Stanley Cups behind those two driving two seperate dominant lines and RNH and Drai killing the soft underbelly on a 3rd line.I believed Unicorns were in reach if the management had just shown enough patience.

    Teams who play well both offensively and defensively win cups, not just offense.

    Go back and watch an 80s Oilers game, any of them, and see how the defenses play individually and not in systems and see how poor the goaltending was. This is not possible to recreate in today’s era.

    Not to mention the cap implications of keeping all the Austin’s with McDavid and Draisaitl.

  45. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    selective sam poll:
    Durag,

    The only team I’d worry about is VGK. Watching all the condensed games…with goalsscored by cowgary and Ana you get a sense they will fall in the standings soon.Quite a bit of luck on top of recent wins. Only a third way through the season teams will go through hot and cold spells.

    Hockey should be called “mostly goalie” and ANA has this year’s Vezina winner.

  46. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Mustard Tiger:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I like seeing the standings this way, but I have one minor complaint. Shouldn’t it be “points over/under fake Bettman .500”, rather than “games over/under fake Bettman .500”?

    ‘Games’ confuses me, but maybe that’s just me. Love your posts WG

    I guess it’s the baseball way of describing it.

    Because points percentage is dependant on games played I just naturally used games.

  47. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Considering acquisition cost, performance, and fit: Would Petrovic or Gudas be a better trade target? Both teams are bottom 3 of the east which might make it easier to pry someone away.

    Caggiula definitely seems like a Philly type player, I think Hextall had some positive comments about him when Edmonton signed Caggs out of college.

    Gudas>Petrovic imo

    Gudas is the better skater too

  48. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Klef-Larrson
    Nurse-Benning
    Sek-Russel
    Gravel, Wideman

    – And next year Bear, Bouchard, Jones competing to take roster spots

    – That’s way better than trading away a Nurse this year, only to be down that guy IMO

    – Last year Chia bet that Sek would come back and they could compete, but the goalie (and now we know coaching), let the team down

    – This year, how much does Chia wait/hope Klef/Sek come back, vs do one of these radical trades that LT is drumming up from the last few days?

    – Going to be a tough few weeks. Awhile ago I said that the team will be a lot different come Feb. 1

    – Now with Klef out, even more so, although its hard to know what that exactly means:

    Poll time: Come Feb. 1 are we?

    1) Team shows heart stays above water, Hitch coached them up Sek +Klef are back and humming

    2) Team tanks with Klef out, D is exposed, G sucks, Hitch is a bum and Chia gone end of season

    3) Chia makes desperate trades for D, etc everyone mad at his poor trade, bleeds value and see #2

    4) Chia nibbles around the corners, makes small-balll moves, and the team makes or doesn’t make the playoffs, and Sek/Klef come back at less than capacity,?

    – I know we all hope for #1, we will see…

  49. v4ance says:

    Oilin4: A potential draft bust, a second pairing D, and a bum contract for a top pairing RH NHL D (plus a second liner on a loan)? If only….

    Haven’t you heard? That bum contract sits at the head of the table and fixes the “culture” according to Andrew Ference! Just ship that leadership to St Lou and he’ll fix that locker room lickity-split!

  50. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    N64: Concur. It is points under “Bettman” .500. For every baseball fan those definitely do not look like games over/under.

    (Baseball teams would have to lose 162 games to be 82 games below .500 and 162 games behind a team that won all 162 games)

    Yeah, I’d have to add 1/2 games

  51. Dicky94 says:

    Maybe the Oilers are showcasing Jones for the Blues? Jones, Caggs and this years 1st for Parayko and Maroon. Still would rather just go for the Gudas!

  52. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jaxon: Florida is playing Petrovic more than Pysyk this season 17:55 to 17:29 per game (they are close), and they play Petrovic on the PP, but not Pysyk. Pysyk doesn’t have the physical game that Petrovic does either. I’d think Hitchcock might appreciate Petrovic more. Also, the cost for acquiring Petrovic would likely be less as he is a UFA at the end of this season. Pysyk has an extra year and, for Edmonton, there would be less cost savings in Pysyk as he makes $2.73M to Petrovic’s $1.95M. Also, since the start of 2016-2017, Petrovic has a higher 5v5 Points/60 rate at 0.81 to 0.72. Since then Petrovic’s CF% has been slightly better as well.

    Petrovic is being healthy scratched again this year and has publicly bitched about FLA “giving up on him”

    Pysyk is the better player and is coming off a significant injury earlier in the year. I think it was a concussion but not sure.

  53. v4ance says:

    russ99: Teams who play well both offensively and defensively win cups, not just offense.

    Go back and watch an 80s Oilers game, any of them, and see how the defenses play individually and not in systems and see how poor the goaltending was. This is not possible to recreate in today’s era.

    Not to mention the cap implications of keeping all the Austin’s with McDavid and Draisaitl.

    McDavid Drai + 3 Austins = $39 million

    I think it could be done.

  54. Oilin4 says:

    v4ance: Haven’t you heard? That bum contract sits at the head of the table and fixes the “culture” according to Andrew Ference!Just ship that leadership to St Lou and he’ll fix that locker room lickity-split!

    Sorry I forgot about that. Accounting for that, STL would have to throw in a couple 1sts for this to make sense then.

  55. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99: Teams who play well both offensively and defensively win cups, not just offense.

    Go back and watch an 80s Oilers game, any of them, and see how the defenses play individually and not in systems and see how poor the goaltending was. This is not possible to recreate in today’s era.

    Not to mention the cap implications of keeping all the Austin’s with McDavid and Draisaitl.

    All the players he mention got greater than 50% goal share vs the best in the NHL in front of bad Dcorps and meh goalering.

    Goal share includes goals against, which is defence.

  56. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99,

    Not to mention the cap implications of keeping all the Austin’s with McDavid and Draisaitl.

    They have Lucic and Russell with them.

    That’s only a $2MM difference.

  57. Oilin4 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Petrovic is being healthy scratched again this year and has publicly bitched about FLA “giving up on him”

    Pysyk is the better player and is coming off a significant injury earlier in the year.I think it was a concussion but not sure.

    Does Caggiula for Petrovic get it done? Would they take a 2nd for him?

    Is either too much? I don’t think so – RHD are crazy valuable, and deeply necessary for the Oil.

    They must be looking to dump him this year. No way he resigns there, they won’t make the playoffs, and he’s a UFA in summer.

  58. Mustard Tiger says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Oilers have 36 points in 31 games. Thus they are 5 points above Bettman .500, which matches what you have 🙂

  59. N64 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I guess it’s the baseball way of describing it.

    Because points percentage is dependant on games played I just naturally used games.

    You win and your opponent loses on the night you gain one game on them. That’s the natural concept baseball burnt into a lot of heads, for better or worse. You might be pulling the mask off that old lone ranger here. Lots of your readers aren’t going to see earning 1 point in hockey as moving up one game.

    Woodguy v2.0: Yeah, I’d have to add 1/2 games

    Update: Missed that until I had already responded. Good idea.

  60. Oilin4 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    russ99,

    Not to mention the cap implications of keeping all the Austin’s with McDavid and Draisaitl.

    They have Lucic and Russell with them.

    That’s only a $2MM difference.

    But then who gives the puck away at the blueline and valiantly dives to block the 10 bell chance that results?

    Who watches the play from behind because he can’t catch up but then punches people’s faces when they look at the bench funny?

  61. PennersPancakes says:

    Dicky94:
    Maybe the Oilers are showcasing Jones for the Blues?Jones, Caggs and this years 1st for Parayko andMaroon. Still would rather just go for the Gudas!

    If this was ever a possibility you make this deal 100/100 times. Think this is a woeful underpayment and would definitely have to add more. Having Parayko would solidify this defense for years to come.

  62. Jaxon says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Petrovic is being healthy scratched again this year and has publicly bitched about FLA “giving up on him”

    Pysyk is the better player and is coming off a significant injury earlier in the year.I think it was a concussion but not sure.

    Still gets same minutes and PP time that Pysyk doesn’t get and has scored at a higher rate than Pysyk and higher CF% and has a physical game that Pysyk doesn’t have. I think if they’re even close the fact that Petrovic is on an expiring contract and there is some friction between him and the team means the acquisition cost should be significantly lower. How much do you want to give up for a player that will likely/hopefully be pushed down the lineup in the near future by 1 of Bouchard, Persson, Berglund or Bear? And could possibly even be pushed down this year by Russell once Klefbom is healthy again. If they would be willing to take Spooner, I’d do it just to get some value for dumping Spooner’s contract for this season and next.

  63. McSorley33 says:

    Ryan Strome looks like he has a pulse in New York.

    2 goals and 4 assists in 11 games.

    ******************************************************************

    Pretty tough not to expect a loss tonight….but I will be watching to see how Nurse does
    on the top pairing with Larsson. Will be watching how they handle argubably one of the best lines
    in hockey in the Scheifle line.

    TSN Winnipeg radio asking listeners if Paul Maurice should hard match the checking Lowry line against McDavid or just run power vs power.

    McDavid plays too much to always have a hard match but I expect Lowry to get a big chunk of McDavid tonight.

    Looking forward to changes on our Power Play. We are middle of the pack so I guess we cannot complain too loudly but loved the ideas Hitch was proposing yesterday.

    Edit: And the last time we played Winnipeg they were missing Buff. I am always nervous of what Buff does against our top players.

  64. texmex says:

    Dicky94,

    Doug Armstrong would hang up the phone in 1 second flat.

    Hall returned Larsson (I know I know)
    Ryan Johansen for Seth Jones

    I’d put Parayko in between Jones and Larsson in terms of quality, closer to Jones than Larsson. Parayko probably gets the Oilers into a PO position.

    A 4th round pick + undrafted player + 17-31 draft pick won’t return Colton. And the money doesn’t work.

    IMO, any Parayko trade starts with Nurse ++

  65. dernf says:

    Chicago placed Jan Rutta on waivers. Right shot d-man. Not a great answer, but could be AN answer. Has a 2.25M 1 year deal, though. Anyone know how cap hits work with waiver claims? If that hit goes to EDM, than likely a non-starter, I suppose.

    Perhaps giving young D prospects a taste of the NHL would be a better bet.

  66. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oilin4: Does Caggiula for Petrovic get it done? Would they take a 2nd for him?

    Is either too much? I don’t think so – RHD are crazy valuable, and deeply necessary for the Oil.

    They must be looking to dump him this year. No way he resigns there, they won’t make the playoffs, and he’s a UFA in summer.

    Honestly this team needs to aim higher than Petrovic for 2RD.

    He’s ok at 3RD and moving up to 2RD in a pinch.

  67. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Mustard Tiger,

    N64,

    It will now read “expressed as ” points over fake Bettman .500″ because Mustard Tiger and N64 are nits”

    🙂

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    knighttown:
    We shouldn’t complain too much about this Klefbom thing.If you exclude Sekera, the Oilers are right down at the very bottom of the league in CHIP (cap hit injured players) with teams like Minny, Calgary and Colorado.They’ve lost no one of consequence (based on cap hits) when compared to the rest of the league.

    Why would we exclude Sekera?

    He is on the team and his cap hit is impacting the ability to build the team.

    He is one of the three top d-men on the team and the team is now down two of the top 3.

  69. McSorley33 says:

    Jaxon,

    Florida is playing Petrovic more than Pysyk this season 17:55 to 17:29 per game (they are close), and they play Petrovic on the PP, but not Pysyk. Pysyk doesn’t have the physical game that Petrovic does either. I’d think Hitchcock might appreciate Petrovic more. Also, the cost for acquiring Petrovic would likely be less as he is a UFA at the end of this season. Pysyk has an extra year and, for Edmonton, there would be less cost savings in Pysyk as he makes $2.73M to Petrovic’s $1.95M. Also, since the start of 2016-2017, Petrovic has a higher 5v5 Points/60 rate at 0.81 to 0.72. Since then Petrovic’s CF% has been slightly better as well.
    ************************************************************************************************
    Are you sure Petrovic gets PP time?

    Because Petrovic has exactly 1 point for the entire year.

    Given his skating, that number does not surprise me…..

  70. dernf says:

    knighttown,

    If Benning could stop taking penalties, I imagine Hitchcock would be more inclined to do so. The look Hitch gave him after his 2nd penalty in the 3rd period on Tuesday makes me think Benning isn’t super high on Hitch’s trusted player list.

  71. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jaxon: Still gets same minutes and PP time that Pysyk doesn’t get and has scored at a higher rate than Pysyk and higher CF% and has a physical game that Pysyk doesn’t have. I think if they’re even close the fact that Petrovic is on an expiring contract and there is some friction between him and the team means the acquisition cost should be significantly lower. How much do you want to give up for a player that will likely/hopefully be pushed down the lineup in the near future by 1 of Bouchard, Persson, Berglund or Bear? And could possibly even be pushed down this year by Russell once Klefbom is healthy again. If they would be willing to take Spooner, I’d do it just to get some value for dumping Spooner’s contract for this season and next.

    I don’t think Petrovic moves the needle more than Benning and I think Pysyk is better.

    Your mileage may vary.

  72. v4ance says:

    McDavid Drai =$21 million
    3 Austins (assuming we kept Hall, Ebs)=$18 million

    Current Defence corps (minus Larsson) at $4 million= $16 million
    Current Goalies= $7 million

    $62 million of $79 million cap for all those players. $17 million to sign 8 more forwards and one more top 4 D

    Sign Demers for $5.5 instead of Larsson pushes us to $68 million
    Trade out Spooner Kassian Caggulia for draft picks and bring up Marody and Yamamoto.($2 mil)

    Keep Puli, Chiasson, Khaira, Brodz, Rattie at ~$1 mil each ($5 mil)

    Total Cap hits= $75 million with $4 mil cap room to spare.

    Whoops! Forgot Sekera at $5.5 mil and Reider at $2 mil but then I overestimated the depth forwards cost since Chiasson and Khaira are only 600k. Didn’t include Zykov at 600k either.

    The team would be right up at the top of the cap but doable.

  73. Mustard Tiger says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Haha thanks for putting up with us

  74. Side says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Honestly this team needs to aim higher than Petrovic for 2RD.

    He’s ok at 3RD and moving up to 2RD in a pinch.

    But he’s a hometown boy which increases his value in the Oilers eyes.

  75. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jaxon,

    Petrovic has 2:43min total (not per game, in total) in 5v4 time this year.

    Last year got 1:33 total.

    He doesn’t play the PP.

  76. chrisco stu says:

    If St Lou is looking at tearing it down, would a Bouchard plus Lucic for Parayko turn anyone’s crank? I hate the thought of losing Bouchard’s top end potential but maybe Lucic would waive and bring them character in their room or whatever for a rebuild…

  77. frjohnk says:

    Jack Michaels
    ‏Verified account @EdmontonJack
    1m1 minute ago

    Oilers pregame at WPG:

    Chiasson-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Caggiula-Spooner-Rieder

    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

  78. Mikeoes says:

    commonfan29: 106

    Exactly my thoughts, with Klefbom and Sekera out, we are down our 2 best dman (Sekera was our best Dman last time he played healthy). Those are HUGE losses for this team

  79. texmex says:

    frjohnk,

    I just threw up in my mouth

  80. Dicky94 says:

    texmex,

    Yikes. Maybe Russell’s name doesn’t look so bad in the top four after all.

  81. N64 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Mustard Tiger,

    N64,

    It will now read “expressed as ” points over fake Bettman .500″ because Mustard Tiger and N64 are nits”

    Outstanding. Feel free to length that title some more to begin to hint at your feelings.

  82. Professor Q says:

    frjohnk:
    Jack Michaels
    ‏Verified account @EdmontonJack
    1m1 minute ago

    Oilers pregame at WPG:

    Chiasson-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Caggiula-Spooner-Rieder

    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

    “Quick! To the nearest hockey supply store!”

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    No Kris Russell tonight:

    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack
    8m8 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers pregame at WPG:

    Chiasson-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Caggiula-Spooner-Rieder

    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

  84. giddy says:

    frjohnk:
    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

    ** insert meme image of Ralph Wiggum on the school bus saying “Haha, I’m in danger” **

  85. Dicky94 says:

    Nuge might have to play D tonight too.

  86. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Has coached confirmed or is Rusty just not taking part in the morning skate b/c he’s a little banged up?

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilin4: A potential draft bust, a second pairing D, and a bum contract for a top pairing RH NHL D (plus a second liner on a loan)? If only….

    So, Nurse is a “2nd pairing D” but Maroon is 2nd liner? Maroon has one goal this year, zero at 5 on 5 and is a -15.

    My point is simply that you are intentionally understating the Oilers players and over-stating the Blues.

    Yes, Puljujarvi is a “potential draft bust” but he’s also 20 at the end of the season – he can also be described as a high pedigree, high potential prospect.

    Yes, Nurse is currently a 2nd pairing d-man but he’s also shown the ability to play top pairing minutes with a strong defensive partner and excel.

  88. frjohnk says:

    chrisco stu:
    If St Lou is looking at tearing it down, would a Bouchard plus Lucic for Parayko turn anyone’s crank? I hate the thought of losing Bouchard’s top end potential but maybe Lucic would waive and bring them character in their room or whatever for a rebuild…

    St Louis is looking to trade some players and do a bit of “rebuild”.

    But they will be trading forwards, Pietro is going to be UFA after next year. Trading Parayko for picks or hopes wont happen as their D core in a couple of years would be shitty. If a team wants to pry Parayko, it would be deal they couldnt turn down. Larsson plus JP would be something like that.

    I said a couple of weeks ago that Schenn almost got traded to Boston. I expect he is one of the first players from the Blues to get traded.

    EDIT: as for your proposal. If the Blues said yes, you do it,before they realize what just happened. One hopes that Bouchards ceiling is something like Parayko. And getting rid of one of the worst contracts in the league? Yes, please.

  89. giddy says:

    We have roughly five top 4 dmen, albeit some will disagree about Russell’s ability to play top 4. Three of them are currently injured.

    It really do be like that sometimes as an Oilers fan.

  90. Oilin4 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Thank the hockey Gords they don’t take away points for losing really, really badly. This could be very ugly.

    Any merit in splitting Larsson and Nurse up to try to create two pairing that don’t get completely rolled?

  91. N64 says:

    Dicky94:
    Nuge might have to play D tonight too.

    ~ ‘Bout time he showed a little flexibility to fill some team needs ~

  92. Oilin4 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No Kris Russell tonight:

    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack8m8 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers pregame at WPG:

    Chiasson-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Caggiula-Spooner-Rieder

    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

    Wait….Reider’s back?! Can he play defense?

  93. hunter1909 says:

    Pyramid inventing Hitch’s Oilers sit at 8-2-1

    Win tonight and its almost stratosphere time

    9-2-1 with Avs,Jets,Flames as recent mugging victims

  94. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No Kris Russell tonight:

    Garrison-Wideman

    – If Talbot (I assume he’s in), needs to stand on his, tonight is the night…

    – Garrison-Wideman: LOL! My 9 year old son is unavailable as he’s playing tonight in Toronto, or he’d be an upgrade.

    – Hitch and Talbot have to be all-world, and a hatty from McD might make it close

  95. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No Kris Russell tonight:

    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack8m8 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers pregame at WPG:

    Chiasson-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Caggiula-Spooner-Rieder

    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

    If Hitch can win with that blue line….

    I wonder who’s going to be the dman on PP1? Benning or Wideman?

  96. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No Kris Russell tonight:

    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack8m8 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers pregame at WPG:

    Chiasson-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Caggiula-Spooner-Rieder

    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

    Garrison / Wideman gonna see about 12 minutes and it could be an adventure!!

    Go OILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  97. Dicky94 says:

    jtblack,

    Watch them both score tonight now on the pp. 😂

  98. Oilin4 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No Kris Russell tonight:

    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

    Woodguy v2.0: Honestly this team needs to aim higher than Petrovic for 2RD.

    He’s ok at 3RD and moving up to 2RD in a pinch.

    WG, you sure that Petrovic doesn’t move the needle? Right now if I think our D is the definition of ‘in a pinch.’

  99. Jaxon says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Jaxon,

    Petrovic has 2:43min total (not per game, in total) in 5v4 time this year.

    Last year got 1:33 total.

    He doesn’t play the PP.

    Haha, OOPS! WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HE DOENS’T PLAY PP?! HE’S AVERAGING 8 SECONDS PER GAME ON THE PP! He’s a PP machine! Okay, moving on. I should never argue with you, it can never end well for me.

  100. texmex says:

    John Shannon

    Verified account

    @JSportsnet
    1m1 minute ago
    More
    Hitchcock says Kris Russell will not play tonight in Winnipeg or tomorrow vs Philadelphia.

  101. ArmchairGM says:

    McSorley33:
    Jaxon,

    Florida is playing Petrovic more than Pysyk this season 17:55 to 17:29 per game (they are close), and they play Petrovic on the PP, but not Pysyk. Pysyk doesn’t have the physical game that Petrovic does either. I’d think Hitchcock might appreciate Petrovic more. Also, the cost for acquiring Petrovic would likely be less as he is a UFA at the end of this season. Pysyk has an extra year and, for Edmonton, there would be less cost savings in Pysyk as he makes $2.73M to Petrovic’s $1.95M. Also, since the start of 2016-2017, Petrovic has a higher 5v5 Points/60 rate at 0.81 to 0.72. Since then Petrovic’s CF% has been slightly better as well.
    ************************************************************************************************
    Are you sure Petrovic gets PP time?

    Because Petrovic has exactly 1 point for the entire year.

    Given his skating, that number does not surprise me…..

    1 point and minus 8 in 21 games… not a hard target for 2RD IMO.

  102. CrazyCoach says:

    Hey LT,

    You are right about Jones. He can move pretty good. Not Paul Coffey graceful, but he gets there. Good skating skills are always a premium. If you can skate, it makes learning the other four technical skills that much easier.

    I really hope he gets some action while he’s here. Maybe not against the Jets, but soon.

    The future’s so bright……

  103. ArmchairGM says:

    frjohnk:
    Jack Michaels
    ‏Verified account @EdmontonJack
    1m1 minute ago

    Oilers pregame at WPG:

    Chiasson-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Caggiula-Spooner-Rieder

    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

    4th line might surprise, but that defense tho – yikes! Who here thinks Nurse-Larsson gets 27+ minutes?

  104. Jaxon says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I don’t think Petrovic moves the needle more than Benning and I think Pysyk is better.

    Your mileage may vary.

    Sure, I’ll trust you on Pysyk being better. Much better? I don’t think so. Petrovic is a reportedly disgruntled player on an expiring contract. The acquisition cost should be minimal. Florida has cap space and are likely out of the playoffs and should be in sell mode. Petrovic is a rental that should be signable at a decent rate for a shorter term. The biggest plus might be unloading Spooner’s 3.1M for this seasons and next. So if they can get Petrovic for Spooner and Petrovic can push Garrison and Wideman off the roster and maybe jones back to Bakersfield, then I think it’s a pretty win-win situation. I’d love better players like Gudas, etc. but they won’t come cheap and have higher cap hits. As mentioned earlier, I wouldn’t spend much on 2RD if that player is needed in a pinch and quite likely pushed down to 3RD or off the roster by Bouchard, Berglund, Persson, Bear or other acquisition. Move the needle, for me, is Erik Karlsson. 😉

  105. giddy says:

    I’m just going to throw this GDP out there on nothing but blind hope because this is the NHL and anything can happen:

    Winnipeg comes in way over confident. Oilers score two early. This Oilers defensive corp doesn’t look nearly as bad as it does on paper and holds strong with few minor lapses in defensive judgement but gets burned a few times late. Oilers barely hold on a squeak out a 3-2 OT win.

  106. hunter1909 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – If Talbot (I assume he’s in), needs to stand on his, tonight is the night…

    If they play Talbot it means they don’t intend to win the game tonight.

  107. Dominoiler says:

    Dominoiler:
    knighttown,

    Why can’t gravel move up to play w Russell?.. seems the logical move to me..

    Who has settled down who on the 3rd pair?!.. besides hitch.. 😉

  108. SwedishPoster says:

    In tough to say the least. This should be a loss but if they can be as excellent in their structure as the last stretch of games, if Talbot’s awakening is for real, Nurse can prove Godot right that Russell is the issue and him alongside Larsson are stellar in some 30 mins all the while McDavid is lighting the big fire then there is a chance. *insert Dumb&Dumber meme*

    Today december 13 we celebrate Lucia day in Sweden which means we, for some odd reason, celebrate the sicilian Saint Lucia by watching women and men dressed in long white robes, carrying candles, one of the women with candles in her hair singing typical “luciasongs”. To this we eat buns with saffron, very tasty actually, and drink mulled wine. Lucia was a 3rd or so century saint in Syracause who was tortured and killed, absolutely nothing to do with Sweden. The whole thing makes perfect sense right?

    This tells me that the stars are aligning for Lucic to score tonight as it’s almost Lucic day, especially as he’s empowered by soon to be Saint Hitch, as canonized by soon to be Pope Woodguy I aka “the wooden pope”.

    And I swear that the Lucia tradition has nothing to do with the klan, though I realize it kinda sounds a bit klany.

  109. knighttown says:

    commonfan29: Why would you?

    Fair but i think the argument is that the Sekera injury happened early enough in the summer that plans could be made. The point is that the roster Chia assembled over the summer has been mostly intact.

  110. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    N64: Outstanding. Feel free to length that title some more to begin to hint at your feelings.

    Hehe

  111. hunter1909 says:

    SwedishPoster:
    In tough to say the least. This should be a loss but if they can be as excellent in their structure as the last stretch of games, if Talbot’s awakening is for real, Nurse can prove Godot right that Russell is the issue and him alongside Larsson are stellar in some 30 mins all the while McDavid is lighting the big fire then there is a chance. *insert Dumb&Dumber meme*

    Today december 13 we celebrate Lucia day in Sweden which means we, for some odd reason, celebrate the sicilian Saint Lucia by watching women and men dressed in long white robes, carrying candles, one of the women with candles in her hair singing typical “luciasongs”. To this we eat buns with saffron, very tasty actually, and drink mulled wine. Lucia was a 3rd or so century saint in Syracause who was tortured and killed, absolutely nothing to do with Sweden. The whole thing makes perfect sense right?

    This tells me that the stars are aligning for Lucic to score tonight as it’s almost Lucic day, especially as he’s empowered by soon to be Saint Hitch, as canonized by soon to be Pope Woodguy I aka “the wooden pope”.

    And I swear that the Lucia tradition has nothing to do with the klan, though I realize it kinda sounds a bit klany.

    Scotland says hello.

  112. frjohnk says:

    SwedishPoster:
    In tough to say the least. This should be a loss but if they can be as excellent in their structure as the last stretch of games, if Talbot’s awakening is for real, Nurse can prove Godot right that Russell is the issue and him alongside Larsson are stellar in some 30 mins all the while McDavid is lighting the big fire then there is a chance. *insert Dumb&Dumber meme*

    Today december 13 we celebrate Lucia day in Sweden which means we, for some odd reason, celebrate the sicilian Saint Lucia by watching women and men dressed in long white robes, carrying candles, one of the women with candles in her hair singing typical “luciasongs”. To this we eat buns with saffron, very tasty actually, and drink mulled wine. Lucia was a 3rd or so century saint in Syracause who was tortured and killed, absolutely nothing to do with Sweden. The whole thing makes perfect sense right?

    This tells me that the stars are aligning for Lucic to score tonight as it’s almost Lucic day, especially as he’s empowered by soon to be Saint Hitch, as canonized by soon to be Pope Woodguy I aka “the wooden pope”.

    And I swear that the Lucia tradition has nothing to do with the klan, though I realize it kinda sounds a bit klany.

    My old phone would autocorrect Lucic to “Lucia”.

    With your comment about this day and Lucia, the stars have finally aligned for Lucic.

    He will score tonight.

    Book it.

  113. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    hunter1909: If they play Talbot it means they don’t intend to win the game tonight.

    – They’ve got a better chance to win the Philly game, despite the B2B, 3 in 4, in 3 different cities IMO. If ever there was a scheduled 2-game losing streak this is it.

    – You give the start to Talbot, and let Koski big it up in 2nd game

    – That said, the playbook is the back-up gets the 2nd of the B2B: and Talbot’s the back-up

  114. hunter1909 says:

    giddy: Winnipeg comes in way over confident. Oilers score two early. This Oilers defensive corp doesn’t look nearly as bad as it does on paper and holds strong with few minor lapses in defensive judgement but gets burned a few times late. Oilers barely hold on a squeak out a 3-2 OT win.

    5-4 win. Book it

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jaxon: Haha, OOPS! WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HE DOENS’T PLAY PP?! HE’S AVERAGING 8 SECONDS PER GAME ON THE PP! He’s a PP machine! Okay, moving on. I should never argue with you, it can never end well for me.

    Ha!

    I don’t mind arguing at all.

    It helps us clarify in our own minds why we think what we do.

    Just make sure you’re looking at “per game”

    🙂

  116. giddy says:

    SwedishPoster,

    This was an awesome post. Reminds me of how my family has a yearly secular holiday that originated in opposition of what has become of the birth date of a Roman man who lived ages ago, but now focuses more around telling each other what we dislike about one-another. I don’t understand all of it myself and the worst is I have to keep a large metal dowel in my closet year round specifically for the occasion.

  117. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: 4th line might surprise, but that defense tho – yikes! Who here thinks Nurse-Larsson gets 27+ minutes?

    I’d be willing to hit the over if the line is 30min

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jaxon: Sure, I’ll trust you on Pysyk being better. Much better? I don’t think so. Petrovic is a reportedly disgruntled player on an expiring contract. The acquisition cost should be minimal. Florida has cap space and are likely out of the playoffs and should be in sell mode. Petrovic is a rental that should be signable at a decent rate for a shorter term. The biggest plus might be unloading Spooner’s 3.1M for this seasons and next. So if they can get Petrovic for Spooner and Petrovic can push Garrison and Wideman off the roster and maybe jones back to Bakersfield, then I think it’s a pretty win-win situation. I’d love better players like Gudas, etc. but they won’t come cheap and have higher cap hits. As mentioned earlier, I wouldn’t spend much on 2RD if that player is needed in a pinch and quite likely pushed down to 3RD or off the roster by Bouchard, Berglund, Persson, Bear or other acquisition. Move the needle, for me, is Erik Karlsson. 😉

    I like Pysyk more because he’s a much better skater.

    He also has played higher up the roster more regularly than Petrovic.

    I used to rate them closely, but Pysyk has separated himself over last season.

    I also saw Dellow’s “on the fly vs other team” s best” piece which identified the most “sheltered Dmen using shift starts vs the other team’s best when they other team is halfway through a shift” and Petrovic showed up amongst the most sheltered which takes some of the air out of his results.

  119. knighttown says:

    Garrison-Wideman.

    That’s Sebastien Bisaillion level terrible.

  120. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    SwedishPoster:
    In tough to say the least. This should be a loss but if they can be as excellent in their structure as the last stretch of games, if Talbot’s awakening is for real, Nurse can prove Godot right that Russell is the issue and him alongside Larsson are stellar in some 30 mins all the while McDavid is lighting the big fire then there is a chance. *insert Dumb&Dumber meme*

    Today december 13 we celebrate Lucia day in Sweden which means we, for some odd reason, celebrate the sicilian Saint Lucia by watching women and men dressed in long white robes, carrying candles, one of the women with candles in her hair singing typical “luciasongs”. To this we eat buns with saffron, very tasty actually, and drink mulled wine. Lucia was a 3rd or so century saint in Syracause who was tortured and killed, absolutely nothing to do with Sweden. The whole thing makes perfect sense right?

    This tells me that the stars are aligning for Lucic to score tonight as it’s almost Lucic day, especially as he’s empowered by soon to be Saint Hitch, as canonized by soon to be Pope Woodguy I aka “the wooden pope”.

    And I swear that the Lucia tradition has nothing to do with the klan, though I realize it kinda sounds a bit klany.

    *clapclap*

  121. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Ha!

    I don’t mind arguing at all.

    – I don’t think ” don’t mind arguing” means what you think it means…

    * I come in peace, I couldn’t help myself though…

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    I didn’t even notice that Rieder is in the lineup.

    They will have to get someone off the roster in order to activate him.

    Only players that don’t require waivers are Gravel (already cleared), Jones and Puljujarvi.

    They would also place a player on non-roster waivers – one would think Garrison would be the guy but he’s slated to play – One of Rattie or Zykov may be waived shortly.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    As anticipated, Talbot starts tonight and Koskinen tomorrow.

    Makes total sense to me given Mikko was showing some signs of fatigue last game and has been so dominant at home.

    Will need a solid game from Cam.

    Hitch will be relying on those top two pairs.

    I’m sure Nurse and Larsson will both approach 30 min.

  124. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    As per Cap Friendly:

    Edmonton #Oilers have activated F Tobias Rieder off of Injured Reserve, and have also placed D Kris Russell on Injured Reserve.

    https://t.co/l4YrhaFXaK https://t.co/ojV4L0HCSH

  125. frjohnk says:

    knighttown:
    Garrison-Wideman.

    That’s Sebastien Bisaillion level terrible.

    One of them skates like me.
    The other defends like me

    Up against one of the best top 6 forward groups in the league.
    And they have our 2nd best goalie who has been wobbly most of the year.

    Im calling it right now.

    They end up +2 tonight.

  126. Ribs says:

    I wonder if Nurse will be instructed to throw every wrister he can manage on net again this game. It was an interesting strategy against Colorado. It created a lot of movement which was nice to see.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Considering acquisition cost, performance, and fit: Would Petrovic or Gudas be a better trade target? Both teams are bottom 3 of the east which might make it easier to pry someone away.

    Caggiula definitely seems like a Philly type player, I think Hextall had some positive comments about him when Edmonton signed Caggs out of college.

    Hextall was glowing of Caggiula at the time of signing. Of course, Hextall no longer works for the Flyers……

  128. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’d be willing to hit the over if the line is 30min

    Yeah, I should have clarified: I meant 5v5. But I guess that depends on how much time the Oilers spend short-handed.

  129. selective sam poll says:

    Professor Q:
    There was a recent article that I saw, about McDavid’s training regimen with Joe Quinn, beginning at 11 years of age.

    It would be very interesting for Edmonton to develop a modified version of Power Edge Pro, like Erie did back in Connor’s OHL days, and have not just McDavid continue on but have the whole team try to better themselves and continually challenge each other, too.

    why? I already made the NHL and getting paid the big bucks. pffft no need for over stretch myself.
    kidding aside, Mr 8 points Gagner was on the same program here in Oakville Ontario at least six years ago. Did you notice anything different about him? Not at all. Perhaps Gagner is and was just below average in natural abilities.

  130. godot10 says:

    knighttown: Fair but i think the argument is that the Sekera injury happened early enough in the summer that plans could be made.The point is that the roster Chia assembled over the summer has been mostly intact.

    Only if Sekera was not coming back mid-season, could one make plans.

  131. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – They’ve got a better chance to win the Philly game, despite the B2B, 3 in 4, in 3 different cities IMO.If ever there was a scheduled 2-game losing streak this is it.

    – You give the start to Talbot, and let Koski big it up in 2nd game

    – That said, the playbook is the back-up gets the 2nd of the B2B: and Talbot’s the back-up

    Koskinen had a long tough game at altitude in Denver. The extra day will be good for him.

  132. knighttown says:

    frjohnk: One of them skates like me.
    The other defends like me

    Up against one of the best top 6 forward groups in the league.
    And they have our 2nd best goalie who has been wobbly most of the year.

    Im calling it right now.

    They end up +2 tonight.

    Stranger things have happened. I assume. But I can’t think of any.

    I truly fear the Jets. They are one of a very few teams (Colorado and Boston) that I think their L1 is better than ours. Morrissey and trouba seem to be in that select group who don’t get AS torched by McDavid. I like Slavin and Pesce in that group.

    Then trickle down to insane depth at forward and on defense.

    Need a rocketship performance from the goaler.

  133. Side says:

    Ye of little faith…

    Predicting an Oilers win, 5-3.

  134. blondebellend says:

    Top 5 teams in the NHL since Hitch took over:

    1. TB 10-1-0
    2. ANA 9-2-0
    3. VGK 9-2-0
    4. EDM 8-2-1
    5. CGY 8-2-1

    Tears of joy and frustration.

  135. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I didn’t even notice that Rieder is in the lineup.

    They will have to get someone off the roster in order to activate him.

    Only players that don’t require waivers are Gravel (already cleared), Jones and Puljujarvi.

    They would also place a player on non-roster waivers – one would think Garrison would be the guy but he’s slated to play – One of Rattie or Zykov may be waived shortly.

    Zykov has shown nothing to justify keeping him around,poor skater.

  136. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    godot10: Only if Sekera was not coming back mid-season, could one make plans.

    – Agree: having Sek return mid-season is not ideal: you have no clue what Sek you got, and if it’s last year “recovering” Sek, your screwed, especially since Klef when he gets back won’t be handling the puck like he did before, and if Sek no good, his salary precludes much movement

    – Can’t plan with Sek. I was wrong, I “bet” OP that Sek was out for season. That was ideal IMO.

  137. frjohnk says:

    blondebellend:
    Top 5 teams in the NHL since Hitch took over:

    1. TB 10-1-0
    2. ANA 9-2-0
    3. VGK 9-2-0
    4. EDM 8-2-1
    5. CGY 8-2-1

    Tears of joy and frustration.

    well at least I dont see Toronto on that list.

  138. Professor Q says:

    knighttown: Stranger things have happened.I assume.But I can’t think of any.

    I truly fear the Jets.They are one of a very few teams (Colorado and Boston) that I think their L1 is better than ours.Morrissey and trouba seem to be in that select group who don’t get AS torched by McDavid.I like Slavin and Pesce in that group.

    Then trickle down to insane depth at forward and on defense.

    Need a rocketship performance from the goaler.

    Didn’t both get torched by McDavid last game? The one before? Heritage Classic?

    They have better depth than Edmonton (could change soon) and the games are always good, though.

    Byfuglien is out, too, non? I remember when McDavid got rocked by him, but bounced right up to get right back into the game. Literal definition of “having your head up” (though I loathe that term) as he was looking right at him and knew the hit was coming. Prepared for it in a millisecond, it seemed.

  139. Oilman99 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    As per Cap Friendly:

    Edmonton #Oilers have activated F Tobias Rieder off of Injured Reserve, and have also placed D Kris Russell on Injured Reserve.

    https://t.co/l4YrhaFXaK https://t.co/ojV4L0HCSH

    WTF “Mayday” “Mayday” we are in deep doo doo.

  140. Fuhr and Lowething. says:

    Are the Oilers bussing it in from Fargo again?

  141. Oilman99 says:

    hunter1909: Scotland says hello.

    She’s a “bra brick moon lick nick” laddie.

  142. flea says:

    Fuhr and Lowething.:
    Are the Oilers bussing it in from Fargo again?

    Why is this a joke? I don’t get it and not really all that funny?

  143. Jethro Tull says:

    knighttown:
    Garrison-Wideman.

    That’s Sebastien Bisaillion level terrible.

    That is not the worst 3rd pairing we’ve had in recent memory.

    Sadly, it wouldn’t even be the worst 2nd pairing.

  144. ashley says:

    I was at the Flames-Flyers game last night. Two things: The Flames are really good. They look even better than the roster looks. And the roster looks good. The Flyers have some nice things, but very undisciplined and a quite loose in the dzone.

    But that is not what I came here to say. The most disappointing thing about the night was that about 10,000 fans exited the building with 5 minutes left in a game that the fLames were dominating, but losing 5-3. I have never seen that level of abandonment in any arena before. I’ve seen a few hundred leave, but thousands? Half the attendance in a game where the home team looked outstanding?

    Moreover, those same people (if our section was representative) didn’t show up until 10 minutes into the first period missing the first goal. So they watched the home team score 2 goals (and the visitors 5) in a game the home team won in overtime 6-5.

    That’s the problem right there. The players on that roster are very good and I would love to see at least half of them on the Oilers. But the fans are aloof and easily dispirited which makes me dislike the team. Part of the attraction to a franchise like Edmonton (or Toronto or Montreal) is the fans. Intense, knowledgeable, passionate, proud.

    Many years ago (Weight era), we arrived to a game at Skyreach early to get a beer and then find our seats, now 15 minutes before puck drop. The arena had just darkened to start the 15 minute intro to the game. Our seats were in the middle between two aisles, so we had to excuse ourselves as we passed by several young men on our way to our seats. As we passed by, one of them yells at us angrily “Next time, get to the game on time!”

    15 minutes before puck drop, and we’d already missed a lot of the action. That is passion.

  145. giddy says:

    Jethro Tull: That is not the worst 3rd pairing we’ve had in recent memory.

    Sadly, it wouldn’t even be the worst 2nd pairing.

    As long as we don’t see anything by Garrison-Wideman that resembles The Shift, they won’t even be close.

  146. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No Kris Russell tonight:

    Jack Michaels

    Verified account

    @EdmontonJack8m8 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers pregame at WPG:

    Chiasson-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Khaira-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Caggiula-Spooner-Rieder

    Nurse-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning
    Garrison-Wideman

    Russell & Jones, whose sticks showed up but not his hockey bag from last night’s flight, not on the ice.

    Wow that D core looks sketchy

    Was leaning towards Chiefs vs Chargers tonight

    That makes it official

  147. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ashley,

    – Great observation. I would take issue though with your caracterization of either the Leafs or Habs (I live in Toronto, lived in Montreal, and also Quebec City when the Nordiques were there)

    – Maybe the Upperbowl still has knowledgable fans in Toronto, but in lower-bowl, its filled with corporate seats, who show up late into the first period (and used to leave well early). The press here is also all-in Leafs, because the press is owned by the organization, and Rogers/Bell/MLSE: Because of all of this, I don’t think the Leafs are an enlightened group.

    – And Montreal, while they love Hockey, as the sole French-based town, there is a limit on what they report that is not Quebec-based.

    – From an atmosphere perspective though: going to a game in Montreal is awesome, whehter it was Le Forum or the new place: its wonderful

    – The ACC: its’ great if someone else is paying: roast beef sandwiches carved, platinum access, fine dining, just walk from work (or right across from the GO for out of towners). Location amazing. And when they win, nice buzz in the streets. But its pretty vacuous place: winning though its a buzz.

    – Basketball though, its a way better entertainment spectacle IMO, most always reaches an arch in last few minutes, a more diverse crowd.

    – I hate the Leafs though

    GOILERS: GIVE ‘ER, GRIND, 110%, LEAVE IT ALL OUT THERE, FEEL IT, PLAY HARD, BOARDS

  148. Bag of Pucks says:

    SwedishPoster:
    In tough to say the least. This should be a loss but if they can be as excellent in their structure as the last stretch of games, if Talbot’s awakening is for real, Nurse can prove Godot right that Russell is the issue and him alongside Larsson are stellar in some 30 mins all the while McDavid is lighting the big fire then there is a chance. *insert Dumb&Dumber meme*

    Today december 13 we celebrate Lucia day in Sweden which means we, for some odd reason, celebrate the sicilian Saint Lucia by watching women and men dressed in long white robes, carrying candles, one of the women with candles in her hair singing typical “luciasongs”. To this we eat buns with saffron, very tasty actually, and drink mulled wine. Lucia was a 3rd or so century saint in Syracause who was tortured and killed, absolutely nothing to do with Sweden. The whole thing makes perfect sense right?

    This tells me that the stars are aligning for Lucic to score tonight as it’s almost Lucic day, especially as he’s empowered by soon to be Saint Hitch, as canonized by soon to be Pope Woodguy I aka “the wooden pope”.

    And I swear that the Lucia tradition has nothing to do with the klan, though I realize it kinda sounds a bit klany.

    That sounds like a pretty cool tradition, especially the mulled wine!

  149. geowal says:

    But hey, we have 3 RH D tonight! That’s what’s most important, right? Right?

    -good luck Oil, you just might need it

  150. barry.moore23 says:

    Go Oilers *clapclap* I will be listening on radio from my hotel room in Colorado Springs.

  151. McSorley33 says:

    chrisco stu,

    Something tells me a team looking to rebuild might pass on a soon to be 31 year old
    NHL player with 0 – five on five goals

  152. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I don’t think ” don’t mind arguing” means what you think it means…

    * I come in peace, I couldn’t help myself though…

    When I tee it up like that I’d be disappointed if you didn’t take a mighty lash at it.

  153. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown:
    Garrison-Wideman.

    That’s Sebastien Bisaillion level terrible.

    It’s not good but at least they have NHL experience (so when they get torched they know why they got torched)

  154. McSorley33 says:

    Garrison – Wideman

    It’s critical that Cam Talbot gets completely hydrated before the game…..

  155. Zelepukin says:

    This feels like a TSN Turning Point game in the season. If we win it, it means Dadbot was first star and secondary scoring was a big factor.

  156. Rocknrolla says:

    Very Curious about the PP units layout tonight…last pregame as quoted by Woodguy, hitch was talking about having more guys on their forehand…Would be nice to get some righties on the point and wing…Could it be PP1 with Benning and Pulju? Move RNH to PP2 with Wideman and Kassian/Brodziak (Zykov out)?

    Looking forward to some tweaks…wonder if he got Manny’s opinion…

  157. digger50 says:

    – do one of these radical trades that LT is drumming up from the last few days?

    This just cracked me up. Dang LT and his radical trades.

    Never change Kinger!

  158. Side says:

    McSorley33:
    Garrison – Wideman

    It’s critical that Cam Talbot gets completely hydrated before the game…..

    May even need to pull a Khabibulin and drill some holes in his skates.

  159. digger50 says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Very Curious about the PP units layout tonight…last pregame as quoted by Woodguy, hitch was talking about having more guys on their forehand…Would be nice to get some righties on the point and wing…Could it be PP1 with Benning and Pulju?Move RNH to PP2 with Wideman and Kassian/Brodziak (Zykov out)?

    Looking forward to some tweaks…wonder if he got Manny’s opinion…

    This is a great point. So far Hitch has been talking like a one man show, wonder just how much he has gelled with the other coaches.

  160. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Fuhr and Lowething.:
    Are the Oilers bussing it in from Fargo again?

    It’s the only way

  161. CrazyCoach says:

    SwedishPoster:
    SWEDISHPOSTER says:
    December 13, 2018 at 11:51 am
    In tough to say the least. This should be a loss but if they can be as excellent in their structure as the last stretch of games, if Talbot’s awakening is for real, Nurse can prove Godot right that Russell is the issue and him alongside Larsson are stellar in some 30 mins all the while McDavid is lighting the big fire then there is a chance. *insert Dumb&Dumber meme*

    Today december 13 we celebrate Lucia day in Sweden which means we, for some odd reason, celebrate the sicilian Saint Lucia by watching women and men dressed in long white robes, carrying candles, one of the women with candles in her hair singing typical “luciasongs”. To this we eat buns with saffron, very tasty actually, and drink mulled wine. Lucia was a 3rd or so century saint in Syracause who was tortured and killed, absolutely nothing to do with Sweden. The whole thing makes perfect sense right?

    This tells me that the stars are aligning for Lucic to score tonight as it’s almost Lucic day, especially as he’s empowered by soon to be Saint Hitch, as canonized by soon to be Pope Woodguy I aka “the wooden pope”.

    And I swear that the Lucia tradition has nothing to do with the klan, though I realize it kinda sounds a bit klany.

    I like your explanation. My cousin there always gives me an ambiguous answer, but he is a politician from the Sala area, so he has to give guarded answers.

  162. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    giddy: As long as we don’t see anything by Garrison-Wideman that resembles The Shift, they won’t even be close.

    I raise:

    Alex Plante with Jim Vandermeer for 31 minutes in 2010/11

    I would also accept Plante with Struddy for 6 minutes in the same season.

    Their 6 minutes together may have been one shift.

  163. Wilde says:

    frjohnk: He will score tonight.
    Book it.

    Lucic will score on the opposition’s net tonight.

    Book it.

  164. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    barry.moore23:
    Go Oilers *clapclap*I will be listening on radio from my hotel room in Colorado Springs.

    Good to see you Barry!

    *clapclap*

  165. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Very Curious about the PP units layout tonight…last pregame as quoted by Woodguy, hitch was talking about having more guys on their forehand…Would be nice to get some righties on the point and wing…Could it be PP1 with Benning and Pulju?Move RNH to PP2 with Wideman and Kassian/Brodziak (Zykov out)?

    Looking forward to some tweaks…wonder if he got Manny’s opinion…

    It wasn’t me who found that gem, but I loved it.

    I don’t think they’ve been able to practice it yet so I wouldn’t expect it until next week but you never know.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Edit: And the last time we played Winnipeg they were missing Buff. I am always nervous of what Buff does against our top players.

    Answer: Get Walked….

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    dernf: Chicago placed Jan Rutta on waivers. Right shot d-man. Not a great answer, but could be AN answer. Has a 2.25M 1 year deal, though. Anyone know how cap hits work with waiver claims? If that hit goes to EDM, than likely a non-starter, I suppose

    Yes, of course, the Oilers take on the cap him for the remainder of the contract.

  168. russ99 says:

    Oilman99: Zykov has shown nothing to justify keeping him around,poor skater.

    He’s played 3 games on the 4th line and is adjusting to a new team, new coach and new systems.

    I loathe how fast players are deemed worthless around here.

    Sucks to lose Klefbom and Russell. I had a feeling Russell was playing hurt.

    Any word how he’s hurt and how long?

  169. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    A customer in WPG just texted me this:

    “Wheelers wife was in the store this morning
    Apparently he and the rest of the team are more worked up for this then for usual Central division rivals”

    Oh shit.

  170. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99: He’s played 3 games on the 4th line and is adjusting to a new team, new coach and new systems.

    I loathe how fast players are deemed worthless around here.

    Sucks to lose Klefbom and Russell. I had a feeling Russell was playing hurt.

    Any word how he’s hurt and how long?

    Stauffer alluded to a groin injury “that he gets every year” but didn’t confirm anything.

  171. Side says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    A customer in WPG just texted me this:

    “Wheelers wife was in the store this morning Apparently he and the rest of the team are more worked up for this then for usual Central division rivals”

    Oh shit.

    Hopefully Laine is so fired up, that he shoots another puck into his own net by accident.

  172. RonnieB says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I raise:

    Alex Plante with Jim Vandermeer for 31 minutes in 2010/11

    I would also accept Plante with Struddy for 6 minutes in the same season.

    Their 6 minutes together may have been one shift.

    Loving the subtle humour.

  173. Oz says:

    Coaching staff need to be at their best tonight with this line up
    Nurse/Larsson
    They have played well in the past when lined up together.The beauty of a Klef/Larson pair is that they read off each other so well, so tonight Darnell will have to control his game and play strong positionally …. he can do it.
    Gravel/Benning
    Like these two as a unit and they have played well recently. As a 2nd unit I think they can perform as well as what we have been getting from the Nurse/Russell as a pair.
    Garrison/Wideman
    Have concerns with Widemans size from the small sample that I have watched. Can be seperated from the puck when on the wall. Garrison played strong on the puck in his last outing. Coaches will have to shelter them heavily
    Like the top three forward lines … full stop
    Caggs and Reider coming back from injury and I hope they are near 100%, and if so, Zykov and Rattie were not getting a lot done, so C’est la vie !!
    Go Oilers

  174. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Via Tom Gazzola:

    Hot dog and a beer, anyone? Rogers Place ranked 66th out of 111 North American venues reviewed for food safety. 19th out of 29 NHL buildings. Saddledome 16th in league and 53rd in NA. Interesting read.

    http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/25316231/health-inspection-reports-find-critical-violations-nfl-nhl-nba-mlb-stadiums-2018-espn-lines

    World class!!!

  175. silasbengtsson says:

    blondebellend,

    Funny how quickly the supposed weakest division in the league can take over and start dominating.

  176. Doug McLachlan says:

    That D-Corps looks…ambitious. Wideman and Garrison will be fresh, at least. If all the play is in the Winnipeg end this may not turn out to be a disaster but with all the “Hitchcock has turned the ship around” articles hitting the interweb, seems about the right time for it all to go boom in a spectacularly bad way.

    Still, holding out hope that Hitch and company can keep the Oilers in it long enough for just a sprinkling of McDavid magic to surprise the experts.

    The Oilers were on a good run leading up to the Klefbom and Russel injuries, and are poised to win their third Best of Seven of the year. Defy the odds and they might even get to record their first sweep. Dare to dream.

    Current Series: Oilers Lead 3-0
    Fifth Series: Oilers Win 4-1 in Game 5 OT
    Fourth Series: Oilers lose 2-4
    Third Series: Oilers lose 1-4
    Second Series: Oilers Win 4-1
    First Series: Oilers lose 3-4 in Game 7 OT

  177. Dicky94 says:

    Side,

    That was a sweet snipe.

  178. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side: Hopefully Laine is so fired up, that he shoots another puck into his own net by accident.

    *clapclap*

  179. GCW_69 says:

    knighttown:
    We shouldn’t complain too much about this Klefbom thing.If you exclude Sekera, the Oilers are right down at the very bottom of the league in CHIP (cap hit injured players) with teams like Minny, Calgary and Colorado.They’ve lost no one of consequence (based on cap hits) when compared to the rest of the league.

    So Klefbom is out at as good a time as any.

    With Drake and Toby returning our forward group is ultra healthy and has too many true NHLers and Benning and Gravel are playing their best defense of the year.Jones is ripening to the point that coming in as a 6/7 doesn’t feel the least bit rushed.For all of Nurse’s warts a) he can handle major minutes and b) doesn’t seem to be any worse against elites when paired with Larsson (than he is at handling seconds when paired with Russell.

    I’d consider 7 Defense but don’t love 11 forwards with how well that group is doing so I’d stick with the traditional 12/6.

    I’d run 25/6 a lot…like they did with 77/6

    I’d give Benning the PP1.

    I’m really not sure what to do about D #3 through #6.Benning seems better with Russell but Russell is the one safe bet to be on that second pairing.Can you slot Jones in 2LD?Ugh.Raw rookie and Russ on wrong side.If you put 5/83 as 2D that demotes Russell to 3D and I just don’t see them doing that.

    Why would you exclude Sekera? The last time he was healthy he was our top defenceman.

    Just because he has been out since the start of the season doesn’t mean the Oilers don’t feel it as badly as if he had been injured on the first or second night of the year.

  180. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    I have a stupidly brilliant idea:

    In a crunch (We’re in a crunch) put McDavid on at top line D

    A) If he can play 24 minutes as a forward he could probably play 30 minutes as a D, McDavid on for half the game? I’ll take it.

    B) He doesn’t ‘know’ the position but he’s fast as all get out so if someone gets a step on him they don’t keep it for long. He’s already better at taking the puck away from anyone else in the league.

    C) He gets the puck in his own zone as a C all the time and he’s off to the races like nobody’s business, he can transition to F for all intents and purposes when the Oil have the puck.

    D) Put him with Larsson, let Larsson take the man in front of the goalie.

  181. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, of course, the Oilers take on the cap him for the remainder of the contract.

    Which is $1,391,129 for the remainder of the year, at which point he becomes a UFA. Might be worth a look-see… worst-case, some of these extra defensemen can be offloaded at the deadline for picks.

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: 4th line might surprise, but that defense tho – yikes! Who here thinks Nurse-Larsson gets 27+ minutes?

    That’s the floor. I imagine that Nurse will be close to 30 – not sure if Larsson can play that much be he’ll be close.

    Its OK for a game here or there but with back to back (with travel), 3 in 4 nights and 4 in 6 – this is going to be tough.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: If they play Talbot it means they don’t intend to win the game tonight.

    Did you watch Talbot’s last few games – he’s been solid to quite good to real good.

    Not to mention we are back to back on the road and Koskinen, who doesn’t have a history of playing lots of games, looked visibly exhausted at various times in Colorado.

    No brainer to start Talbot tonight and Koskinen back home tomorrow.

  184. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Zykov has shown nothing to justify keeping him around,poor skater.

    His skating is actually better than I anticipated but, nope, its not a strong point.

    Nope, he hasn’t shown much (although I liked his first game with Rattie and Spooner, I believe).

    I don’t consider average boots to be prohibitive like many and would like to see the man play some top 6 and PP1 prior to re-exposing him. No, he hasn’t “earned” his way in to the top 6 but the guy can shoot and battle and score – I’d like to see what he can do with some real talent.

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: He’s played 3 games on the 4th line and is adjusting to a new team, new coach and new systems.

    I loathe how fast players are deemed worthless around here.

    Sucks to lose Klefbom and Russell. I had a feeling Russell was playing hurt.

    Any word how he’s hurt and how long?

    Coach did say day to day but, being on IR, he’s not able to be activated until next Wed so the earliest game would be next Sat – he’ll miss at least 4.

    Groins can be wonky though and he has had groin injuries in the past.

  186. Greatness says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    Doug, I really enjoy reading these 7 game series. Keep it up!

  187. Greatness says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    I have a stupidly brilliant idea:

    This is tremendous! End to end action!

  188. CrazyCoach says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Hot dog and a beer, anyone? Rogers Place ranked 66th out of 111 North American venues reviewed for food safety. 19th out of 29 NHL buildings. Saddledome 16th in league and 53rd in NA. Interesting read.

    http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/25316231/health-inspection-reports-find-critical-violations-nfl-nhl-nba-mlb-stadiums-2018-espn-lines

    World class!!!

    I’m not surprised in the least. I found the seats to be atrocious at best and the steep angles for watching aren’t the best. We have a contact for seats and this s the first time in about 6 seasons we declined asking because their seats are lousy.

    Having said that, I am looking for 3 drink rail seats for the Dec 29 game if anyone knows anyone who wants to part with theirs. Looking to bring my daughter to her first ever NHL game.

  189. giddy says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    I have a stupidly brilliant idea:

    In a crunch (We’re in a crunch) put McDavid on at top line D

    A) If he can play 24 minutes as a forward he could probably play 30 minutes as a D, McDavid on for half the game? I’ll take it.

    B) He doesn’t ‘know’ the position but he’s fast as all get out so if someone gets a step on him they don’t keep it for long. He’s already better at taking the puck away from anyone else in the league.

    C) He gets the puck in his own zone as a C all the time and he’s off to the races like nobody’s business, he can transition to F for all intents and purposes when the Oil have the puck.

    D) Put him with Larsson, let Larsson take the man in front of the goalie.

    Innovation? In MY NHL? I’ll have none of it!

  190. CrazyCoach says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: I have a stupidly brilliant idea:

    In a crunch (We’re in a crunch) put McDavid on at top line D

    A) If he can play 24 minutes as a forward he could probably play 30 minutes as a D, McDavid on for half the game? I’ll take it.

    B) He doesn’t ‘know’ the position but he’s fast as all get out so if someone gets a step on him they don’t keep it for long. He’s already better at taking the puck away from anyone else in the league.

    C) He gets the puck in his own zone as a C all the time and he’s off to the races like nobody’s business, he can transition to F for all intents and purposes when the Oil have the puck.

    D) Put him with Larsson, let Larsson take the man in front of the goalie.

    Something that probably works in minor hockey, but wouldn’t work at the NHL level. Yeah, I know Todd Gill made a living out of switching between D & F, but the biggest risk by far is having 97 get injured.

  191. Munny says:

    From HockeyCentral:

    Blues state rumours they’re willing to breakup their core are unfounded

    Oilers will know Klefbom’s status after he sees the specialist tomorrow

    And apparently Sekera is not one of the Oilers injured defenseman

  192. Munny says:

    That’s Hockey 2Nite:

    Making the case Hitch has an effect on goalering… based on systems and trust

    _____

    Hitch will need to have a massive effect on goalering tonight to secure a win.

  193. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    giddy,

    You also get the added bonus of having McDavid on the ice with Leon AND Nuge at varying points.

    Maybe there’s more Bobby Orr in 97 than we know!

  194. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Maybe there’s less Bobby Orr in 97 than we know!

  195. CrazyCoach says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: Maybe there’s less Bobby Orr in 97 than we know!

    I’d be cautious. Can you imagine what you’d look like as the coach who put him back there and he gets injured?

  196. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Just for the sake of the thought experiment, is it point shots (see: Klefbom) that worries you most?

  197. CrazyCoach says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    CrazyCoach,

    Just for the sake of the thought experiment, is it point shots (see: Klefbom) that worries you most?

    More the physical play along the boards more than anything. Just a world of difference in the styles of puck handling between D & F, and the checking as well. D men need to focus on the old principle of staying between your man and your net, while forwards defend from a backchecking and support position. D men are expected to pin and separate the player form the puck while forwards are supposed to support and retrieve.

    Small things, but they become glaring when you try to do the switch.

  198. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Fair enough. I guess we’ll have to settle with McDavid at F.

  199. Munny says:

    Tomorrow is third in four aka Guaranteed Loss Night. We should be prepared for the Oil to lose both these games. If we can sneak a point out of one of them it might be another Hitchmas Mracle.

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