Game 34 2018-19: Oilers at Canucks

The first time the Oilers played the Canucks in an NHL game was on October 14, 1979. It was the third game of the season, Edmonton losing to Chicago and tying Detroit before the game against Vancouver. 

Edmonton’s leading goal-scorer through two games? Blair MacDonald (two), Kevin Lowe, Dave Hunter and Mark Messier had single tallies. In the game against Vancouver, Risto Siltanen scored twice, Stan Weir scored his first of the season—and Wayne Gretzky scored the tying goal against Vancouver late in the third period. It was the first of his brilliant NHL career. 

Tonight the Oilers have a chance to move into third place in the Pacific Division stand alone. The currently tight Pacific has Edmonton and San Jose tied for third, with 17 ROW and I believe the Alberta team owns the tiebreaker. Most of the teams in the division play tonight, so we could see some movement. For the Oilers, it’s win and you’re in. 

THE ATHLETIC! 

The Athletic Edmonton is going to bring it all season long. Proud to be part of a lineup that is ready to cover the coming year. Outstanding coverage from a large group, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis, Lowetide, Minnia Feng and Pat McLean. If you haven’t subscribed yet, now’s your chance. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: With Oscar Klefbom’s injury, will the Oilers look in unusual places for a solution?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Takeaways from Ken Hitchcock’s lineup decisions for the Oilers against the Flyers. 
  • Lowetide: No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How the Oilers Alex Chiasson is able to maintain his scoring touch. 
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Connor McDavid became the world’s fastest skater. 
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi as an offensive player and what that tells us about his future with the Oilers. 
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 34

  • Oilers in 2015: 14-18-2, 30 points; goal differential -17
  • Oilers in 2016: 17-12-5, 39 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 15-17-2, 32 points; goal differential -8
  • Oilers in 2018: 18-12-3, 39 points; goal differential +4

The 2018 McDavids are now well clear of everyone but the 2016 playoff team. The 2017 Oilers would win two in a row to run the record to 17-17-2 after 36 games, before finishing 19-23-4 to land 36-40-6, 78 points. It’s such a thin line, the key is to stay away from a losing streak. 

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-3-0, 12 points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2016: 4-2-3, 11 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in December 2017: 6-3-0, 12 points; goal differential +8
  • Oilers in December 2018: 6-1-1, 13 points; goal differential +9

December saved a lot of jobs and there are several Oilers (Mikko Koskinen, Alex Chiasson, Kevin Gravel) who are earning raises here or elsewhere. More on that in a moment. 

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DECEMBER

  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 0-1-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota, Calgary (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: Colorado,Winnipeg(Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, San Jose, Winnipeg (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 6-1-1, 13 points in eight games

If the Oilers win tonight, they will have reached my projected point total (15) with five games to spare! Music! 

This is a player Edmonton should be interested in, I’ve seen him make good NHL defensemen (Jeff Petry) look foolish. Opportunity knocks. 

The problem with acquiring Burakovsky is that he’s making $3 million now and will need a new contract come summer. Edmonton’s list of players needing contracts is already fairly long:

  • Mikko Koskinen, $2.5 million currently and earning a bigger raise with each win. 
  • Alex Chiasson, $650,000 and one of the best (if not the best) value deals in hockey. 
  • Jujhar Khaira, $675,000 and posting strong offense recently in a feature role (2-4-6 in his last eight games). 
  • Tobias Rieder, $2 million this season and playing an important role on the bottom six/PK when healthy. 
  • Cam Talbot, $4.1667 million and possibly heading for a deadline exit. 
  • Kevin Gravel, $700,000 on a one-year and earning the third pairing LH side slot in real time. 

The cap is going up, but the Oilers already have over $67 million (projected) in contracts as they sit idling in the driveway. There’s $36 million for five forwards (McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Lucic, Spooner), about $21 million for five defensemen (Sekera, Klefbom, Larsson, Russell, Nurse) and what will clearly be $5-6 million on goalies. That’s $62-$63 million on 12 men, or about half the roster.  

KLEFBOM OUT 6-8 WEEKS

Another dagger for that blue line, already missing Andrej Sekera (who could return January after a rehab assignment) and Kris Russell (he might play as soon as next Saturday depending on who you’re listening to currently). 

It sounds like the bet by the Oilers is this: Muddle through this week and then, when Russell returns, cobble together a top 4D you can trust. Here’s what I would like to see:

  • Nurse—Larsson. This duo is playing so much right now the numbers are sagging, but there is a solid track record for the pairing. If Hitchcock can reduce their minutes, I believe they will prove to be best available from this group.
  • Russell—Benning. In 166 minutes since 2016, this pairing is 47 percent in shot share and 50 percent in goal share. 
  • Gravel—Jones. It might sound crazy, but this pairing spent time together in Bakersfield and Jones’ wheels are such an advantage over Garrison’s experience. I expect to get some pushback, and that’s fair, but Jones, in my opinion, is a superior option to the slow boots of Garrison. 

At this point, I’m not sure when Wideman sees the ice in an NHL game. He’s vulnerable to waivers when Russell returns, in my opinion. 

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  1. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Was about to post this. There’s a longer (~45 minutes I think ) of Hitchcock on coaching young people named ‘coaching millennials’ but he doesn’t make the millennial distinction in the video and it’s basically an expansion on the thesis he gave in that interview.

    Also love hearing that he loves 98’s play away from the puck and his strengths as a player. I think he’s going to drive possession time because of his ability to get the puck back on the forecheck especially and because he can carry through the neutral zone.

    If a guy can both carry the puck out & in at a high rate, and facilitate the recovery of dump-ins, they’re golden. Marchand is like that.

    The only missing piece after that, in possession driving, would be outplaying the pinching D-man in the DZ.

  2. Derek says:

    kgo:
    Derek,

    The boys appear to be holding out for better chances…instead of volume shooting. This explains most of what you’re seeing.We’re happy to rag the puck, move it around the perimeter and tire out the opponent…even If we don’t get a shot or HDSC out of it, we’ve killed 30 seconds of clock with zero risk of the puck going into our net, and we’ve tired out the opposing line that is on the ice….

    Ok, I can certainly understand this line of thinking, but why then are they getting their shit pushed in via the Chances for and High Danger Chances for percentages?

    I know there’s something else going on here, there must be, I just can’t find it in the numbers that I’m familiar with.

    This is Oilers fandom. I’ll always hope for the best ( The team is legit ), but it could quite easily turn out like always ( Team is on a massive PDO heater which saves Petes job who in turn trades away the future for declining assets at the trade deadline and the team gets shitkicked in the playoffs by Calgary)

    I need a beer.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy: I heard LT lost all his coins in an ATM.There is 50 games left in the season, I am betting the big man can start 38 of them giving Montoya 12 games. If we use Talbot cap saving to bring in a sniper or a good 3-4 D that will be the extra cover we need for Montoyas starts. If Reggie returns in good form I think the team will be in good position to make a run in playoffs as bachups get little playing time them. I would be happy for a 7 game exit in the second round this year knowing whats bubbling under as well as the under 25’s getting a year older.

    1) Your bet isn’t based on past history or results. Koskinen has never had a heavy workload in his pro career and has actually already showed signs of fatigue, in particular late in a couple games.

    2) Montoya has lost the starting job in the AHL due to poor play and was not even dressed last night.

    This team is going to need both goalies. I think a 70/30 split, assuming Koskinen doesn’t regress too materially, is a good way to proceed.

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m not getting the reference.Batman?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Hitchcock

    LT could do an RE series with his movies. A quotable genius. I Master of Suspense.

  5. who says:

    Pescador: Betting man eh?
    I’m wagering all of Lowetide’s internet millions (bitcoin stocks)
    on a Talbot second half resurgence.
    The way the team is currently structured, goaltending is 67% of our winning strategy.
    The other 33% is McDavid – Draisaitl
    If I’m going into battle with:
    Gravel – Jones
    Garrison – Benning
    I need something more then what Montoya can offer

    Agreed.
    The only way I trade Talbot is if we are out of it at the trade deadline.
    I would also look at extending Koskinen as early as possible.

  6. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Hitchcock

    LT could do an RE series with his movies. A quotable genius. I Master of Suspense.

    Ahhh.

    Should have got that.

  7. Glovjuice says:

    jp: This really bugs me because it’s wrong.

    First, as others have mentioned already the the Rangers retained, so Spooner has an identical cap hit with identical term to Strome.

    Second, Spooner has been a top 6 player his entire career save this year.

    In 2017-18 (last season!) Spooner scored 59-13-28-41. He was 17th in the NHL in 5×5 P/60 (2.50 – ahead of Draisaitl and Hall, to name 2). He was also 68th in GF% (56.9%).

    Despite missing 23 games he was still safely inside the top 2 lines worth of forwards in scoring (141st/186). A Pro-rated 82-18-39-57 season.

    He was very good (arguably a first line player even) within this calendar year.

    I get that he’s been putrid this year, but that trade is a bet that could pay off in a real way if Spooner can get his game back. I truly don’t see how anyone can fault Chia for that particular move.

    Come on guys: you and OP are tempting me. I promised PT2stdrp (or whatever) that I’d give Spooner 20 games before I blasted Chia for the awesome spooner trade…..you are making it very hard for me to hold back.

  8. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0: A is Montoya, B is Talbot

    Let’s assume the back up in Edmonton from January 1st – end of the season is going to play 12 of the 43 games (28%).That pro rates to 59 games for the starter and 23 for the back up which are reasonable.

    Under Hitch EDM as averaged 24 5v5 SA and 4 4v5 SA per game.

    If we use the percentages above that gives us:

    Talbot 30 goals against
    Montoya 32 goals against

    A difference of 2 goals against for the rest of the season.

    How much are those 2 goals worth?

    If you can get any kind of value for Talbot, its going to be worth more than 2 goals.

    Now I know this isn’t an exact science, but Montoya is a capable NHL back up and has been for years.

    He also hasn’t got the Hitchmas Bump in his SV% and that’s factored into Talbot’s numbers.

    It might be an even bet between the two.

    Its certainly close enough that cashing in Talbot is a no-brainer imo.

    You’re not re-signing him as he’ll be looking for starter money (but may end up taking a 1 year deal in mid-July…..) so there is no way you re-sign him.

    Take Koskinen for a test drive as starter at at 59 game pace, maybe a bit lower depending on the schedule.

    I understand your reasoning but I think you are missing a few scenarios in your narrative.
    1. What can you get for Talbot right now? Can you do any better than a 4th round pick ? I guess the big acquisition is cap space so maybe I just answered my own question.
    2. Are you confident that Koskinen is legit? Wouldn’t you like to see him for another 6 weeks before you trade away your safety net? After all, Montoya has almost no recent track record as a starter if Koskinen falters or gets hurt.
    3. Is it possible that Talbot goes on a second half heater? He seems to have a history of getting stronger as the season progresses.
    I guess what I am asking is, do you think the acquisition value, including the cap space, is worth the risk?

  9. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Montoya wasn’t even the back up in the AHL last night – Wells started backed up by Starrett.

    He’s still tied with Starett in starts (albeit with a poor .879)

    I would work the young men in the AHL too.

    Why does BAK have 3 goalies on the roster?

    Why did Stuart come up?

  10. Dustylegnd says:

    Bruce McCurdy: anybody pining for Parayko should watch Elias Lindholm’s shorty this afternoon.

    It’s probably not fair but the guy he reminds me of is Tyler Myers. Huge guy, huge splash as a rookie, then progress measured by sundial.

    He’s got 7 EVP in 30 games. We’re going to trade Nurse (13 EVP) AND a first for him, & find $2+ million in cap space to accommodate that?

    The Voice of reason has entered the room….couldn’t agree more Bruce…..

    It is pretty cool however, that he looks like Drago from Rocky though

  11. tileguy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    You’re my buddy!

  12. deardylan says:

    Bohologo,

    Boho what is your springsteen story? And fav album, song, concert, moment?

    Yes thanks for reminding me of the netflix release…is it out now?

  13. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Except that ignores that, from many accounts, Lucic’s teamates love him and having him on the team.

    I’ve never seen anything of the sort. In fact, weren’t there some issues after Christmas last year where he didn’t feel part of the team? There was an interview in I forget what magazine. In fact, I think you may have posted the link to that interview.

  14. Dustylegnd says:

    SwedishPoster:

    On another note. Did anyone else notice Caleb Jones’s face before last game? He looked like a guy who hadn’t slept at all the night before. Nerves I presume. Impressed he managed to play as well as he did, will be real interesting to see what he can do without first game jitters.

    Well either nerves or Hall was in town I guess…

    HA, thats awesome….imagine how good Hall could be if he wasn’t out getting hammered till 3am 7 days a week!!!!!!

  15. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    who,

    I’ll answer your questions one at a time:

    I understand your reasoning but I think you are missing a few scenarios in your narrative.
    1. What can you get for Talbot right now? Can you do any better than a 4th round pick ? I guess the big acquisition is cap space so maybe I just answered my own question.

    Yeah, pick wise a 2nd, NHLers on expiring contract or young player in AHL (Salo for Gilbert type is the wish)

    As you mention it also frees up cap to add a 2RD or top 6 LW/RW on an expiring contract.


    2. Are you confident that Koskinen is legit? Wouldn’t you like to see him for another 6 weeks before you trade away your safety net? After all, Montoya has almost no recent track record as a starter if Koskinen falters or gets hurt.

    I don’t know if Koskinen is legit, but EDM needs to find out so you have to give him the starters work load (~70% of starts)

    EDM isn’t a Cup fav so I’m not too concerned about a safety net this year, I’m more concerned with finding out if Koskinen is real and cashing in Talbot.

    The crux of my whole argument is that Talbot hasn’t earned an extension and you cannot bank on him as a starter regardless of how Koskinen plays.

    3. Is it possible that Talbot goes on a second half heater? He seems to have a history of getting stronger as the season progresses.
    I guess what I am asking is, do you think the acquisition value, including the cap space, is worth the risk?

    I don’t see much risk as on my team he’s not here next year and losing his value in order to have a safety net to make the playoffs is not a good plan.

    An “NHL backup” as meh as Montoya pro-rates to only 2 more goals against than Talbot.

    I know it’s not that exact of a science but the difference between Talbot and a backup isn’t much and his value in trade far outweighs his value of playing the rest of the season in EDM…..in my opinion.

  16. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    tileguy:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    You’re my buddy!

    I’m here for you

  17. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think the only argument for keeping Talbot is fear of what happens should Koskinen crap the bed. But if Koskinen does crap the bed, can we realistically expect Talbot to bail us out? I think the answer is clearly no. By keeping Talbot you’re playing it safe, but you really aren’t safe. We can get anyone to come in and play meh. By trading Talbot you are being aggressive, you’re doing whatever it takes to win. Right now, Simmonds (insert multiple names here) would do more to help this team win than Talbot.

  18. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar: 1) Your bet isn’t based on past history or results.Koskinen has never had a heavy workload in his pro career and has actually already showed signs of fatigue, in particular late in a couple games.

    2) Montoya has lost the starting job in the AHL due to poor play and was not even dressed last night.

    This team is going to need both goalies.I think a 70/30 split, assuming Koskinen doesn’t regress too materially, is a good way to proceed.

    You can’t keep Talbot around to play the remaining 30% of the games and let him walk for nothing. His is at peak value for a couple of teams willing to give us a draft pick or two in hopes he can resurrect their season. Oh and the cap savings, just think of what you can buy for 4.16M.

  19. geowal says:

    At some point maybe Hitchcock will give us a history lesson (sounds like he’s a history buff). Of course.

  20. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    who,

    I’ll answer your questions one at a time:

    I understand your reasoning but I think you are missing a few scenarios in your narrative.
    1. What can you get for Talbot right now? Can you do any better than a 4th round pick ? I guess the big acquisition is cap space so maybe I just answered my own question.

    Yeah, pick wise a 2nd, NHLers on expiring contract or young player in AHL (Salo for Gilbert type is the wish)

    As you mention it also frees up cap to add a 2RD or top 6 LW/RW on an expiring contract.


    2. Are you confident that Koskinen is legit? Wouldn’t you like to see him for another 6 weeks before you trade away your safety net? After all, Montoya has almost no recent track record as a starter if Koskinen falters or gets hurt.

    I don’t know if Koskinen is legit, but EDM needs to find out so you have to give him the starters work load (~70% of starts)

    EDM isn’t a Cup fav so I’m not too concerned about a safety net this year, I’m more concerned with finding out if Koskinen is real and cashing in Talbot.

    The crux of my whole argument is that Talbot hasn’t earned an extension and you cannot bank on him as a starter regardless of how Koskinen plays.

    3. Is it possible that Talbot goes on a second half heater? He seems to have a history of getting stronger as the season progresses.
    I guess what I am asking is, do you think the acquisition value, including the cap space, is worth the risk?

    I don’t see much risk as on my team he’s not here next year and losing his value in order to have a safety net to make the playoffs is not a good plan.

    An “NHL backup” as meh as Montoya pro-rates to only 2 more goals against than Talbot.

    I know it’s not that exact of a science but the difference between Talbot and a backup isn’t much and his value in trade far outweighs his value of playing the rest of the season in EDM…..in my opinion.

    Good points.
    If the Oilers can get a 2nd round pick, or good prospect, for Talbot I would trade him today. Just not sure his value is that high. I agree that the Oilers really aren’t a cup contender this year so I wouldn’t do a rental for rental deal, ie Talbot for Simmonds.
    I do think that Koskinen will get the starters workload the rest of the way so we will know more about him, with or without Talbot.

  21. Ryan says:

    Boys… if you’re not watching the Jets play the Bolts, you’re missing out.

  22. McNuge93 says:

    tileguy: You can’t keep Talbot around to play the remaining 30% of the games and let him walk for nothing. His is at peak value for a couple of teams willing to give us a draft pick or two in hopes he can resurrect their season. Oh and the cap savings, just think of what you can buy for 4.16M.

    Disagree with this. I think we need both goalies. There is no certainty that Koskinen continues at this level or he could get hurt or he tires out as he is not used to these long seasons. The first objective is to make the playoffs and we should keep both goalies unless we go in the tank and fall out of the race.

    You can bet if Talbotwas traded and then Koskinen goes down or his production drops the Chia haters would be all over him.

  23. Bank Shot says:

    who: Good points.
    If the Oilers can get a 2nd round pick,or good prospect,for Talbot I would trade him today. Just not sure his value is that high. I agree that the Oilers really aren’t a cup contender this year so I wouldn’t do a rental for rental deal, ie Talbot for Simmonds.
    I do think that Koskinen will get the starters workload the rest of the way so we will know more about him,with or without Talbot.

    I’d trade Talbot for a Dman on an expiring contract.

    Other than that I keep him to the trade deadline. His value should keep rising with Hitchcock in charge.

  24. Ryan says:

    What a pass by vasilevskiy.

  25. Ryan says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    This.

    You have to see how Koskinen does with a heavier workload before you extend him for big dollars.

    Also agree freeing up Talbot’s cap allows room for a 2RD.

  26. kgo says:

    Derek: Ok, I can certainly understand this line of thinking, but why then are they getting their shit pushed in via the Chances for and High Danger Chances for percentages?

    I know there’s something else going on here, there must be, I just can’t find it in the numbers that I’m familiar with.

    This is Oilers fandom. I’ll always hope for the best ( The team is legit ), but it could quite easily turn out like always ( Team is on a massive PDO heater which saves Petes job who in turn trades away the future for declining assets at the trade deadline and the team gets shitkicked in the playoffs by Calgary)

    I need a beer.

    I also need a beer….I have a feeling that when puck and player tracking arrives this picture will be much clearer.

  27. theDjdj says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Petterson’s 5v5 Pts/60 is 3.38(!!)


    His Primary Points/60 is 2.92(!!)

    To put that in perspective, McDavid’s best year for 5v5 pts/60 was last year.

    His 5v5 pts/60 were 3.17 and his Primary Points/60 was 2.77.

    Just checked McDavid this year:

    With Drai 5v5 (292 min)
    3.70 Pts/60
    2.87 primary pts/60

    Without Drai 5v5 (256 min)
    1.88 pts/60
    1.19 primary pts/60

    This is the first year then’s been this big of a disparity.

    Small sample sizes probably to blame.

    Still, who you play with, even if you’re the best, matters.

    The linked Dellow article LT has in The Athletic preamble has McDavids line with a very low 5 v 5 shooting percentage. It was a full 2 points below league 1 st line average and probably 3-4% below what CSP is capable of. It’s a weird wrinkle but probably accounts for the slow start to the year for McDavids linemates

  28. Glovjuice says:

    Ryan:
    Boys… if you’re not watching the Jets play the Bolts, you’re missing out.

    Why “boys” ? LT, PLEASE put a halt to this.

  29. YKOil says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    who,
    I’ll answer your questions one at a time:

    I understand your reasoning but I think you are missing a few scenarios in your narrative.
    1. What can you get for Talbot right now? Can you do any better than a 4th round pick ? I guess the big acquisition is cap space so maybe I just answered my own question.

    Yeah, pick wise a 2nd, NHLers on expiring contract or young player in AHL (Salo for Gilbert type is the wish). As you mention it also frees up cap to add a 2RD or top 6 LW/RW on an expiring contract.

    2. Are you confident that Koskinen is legit? Wouldn’t you like to see him for another 6 weeks before you trade away your safety net? After all, Montoya has almost no recent track record as a starter if Koskinen falters or gets hurt.

    I don’t know if Koskinen is legit, but EDM needs to find out so you have to give him the starters work load (~70% of starts). EDM isn’t a Cup fav so I’m not too concerned about a safety net this year, I’m more concerned with finding out if Koskinen is real and cashing in Talbot.

    The crux of my whole argument is that Talbot hasn’t earned an extension and you cannot bank on him as a starter regardless of how Koskinen plays.

    3. Is it possible that Talbot goes on a second half heater? He seems to have a history of getting stronger as the season progresses. I guess what I am asking is, do you think the acquisition value, including the cap space, is worth the risk?

    I don’t see much risk as on my team he’s not here next year and losing his value in order to have a safety net to make the playoffs is not a good plan. An “NHL backup” as meh as Montoya pro-rates to only 2 more goals against than Talbot.

    I know it’s not that exact of a science but the difference between Talbot and a backup isn’t much and his value in trade far outweighs his value of playing the rest of the season in EDM…..in my opinion.

    If I am thinking about making the play-offs then I am not on board with this.

    If I am being 100% pragmatic then this is a way to go – DEPENDING on what I can get for Talbot. A 4th rounder = no but a 2nd rounder from a failing team = maybe.

    That said, I think Philly may be closer to moving a piece of value to get a goalie than most would guess. They aren’t sold on what they have in net at all and would be willing, my opinion only, to move something good to take a shot at a true #1 (which Talbot could still be).

    Talbot and Benning (~ $6 million in Cap)
    FOR
    Gudas and one of Elliot or Neuvirth (~ $6 million in Cap)

    Is something that may be doable. May have to add a pick to flavour but I think it’s there (again, my opinion only).

  30. Ryan says:

    Glovjuice: Why “boys” ? LT, PLEASE put a halt to this.

    No, I’m not a misogynist.

    It’s just a habit here.

    Would you prefer, boys… and gals?

    Let me know and I’ll adjust.

    Jets vs Bolts. Aka two brilliant drafting teams against each other.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov wasn’t in the lineup for Guelph tonight – not sure why. I wonder if Team Russia had some sort of selection camp starting (as Canada’s just finished)?

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    kgo:
    Derek,

    The boys appear to be holding out for better chances…instead of volume shooting. This explains most of what you’re seeing.We’re happy to rag the puck, move it around the perimeter and tire out the opponent…even If we don’t get a shot or HDSC out of it, we’ve killed 30 seconds of clock with zero risk of the puck going into our net, and we’ve tired out the opposing line that is on the ice….

    This is a very good point and it matches with much of the coach’s verbal about goals coming from scoring chances which come from possession, not shots. Creating “straight legs” on the opponents.

  33. Ryan says:

    Ryan: No, I’m not a misogynist.

    It’s just a habit here.

    Would you prefer, boys… and gals?

    Let me know and I’ll adjust.

    Jets vs Bolts. Aka two brilliant drafting teams against each other.

    It’s fun to watch this game because it’s a battle of the smart kids.

  34. Ryan says:

    Is it fair for me to say that Sergachev is dreamy?

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: A is Montoya, B is Talbot

    Let’s assume the back up in Edmonton from January 1st – end of the season is going to play 12 of the 43 games (28%).That pro rates to 59 games for the starter and 23 for the back up which are reasonable.

    Under Hitch EDM as averaged 24 5v5 SA and 4 4v5 SA per game.

    If we use the percentages above that gives us:

    Talbot 30 goals against
    Montoya 32 goals against

    A difference of 2 goals against for the rest of the season.

    How much are those 2 goals worth?

    If you can get any kind of value for Talbot, its going to be worth more than 2 goals.

    Now I know this isn’t an exact science, but Montoya is a capable NHL back up and has been for years.

    He also hasn’t got the Hitchmas Bump in his SV% and that’s factored into Talbot’s numbers.

    It might be an even bet between the two.

    Its certainly close enough that cashing in Talbot is a no-brainer imo.

    You’re not re-signing him as he’ll be looking for starter money (but may end up taking a 1 year deal in mid-July…..) so there is no way you re-sign him.

    Take Koskinen for a test drive as starter at at 59 game pace, maybe a bit lower depending on the schedule.

    With respect, I simply can’t get onside of that technical analysis, in particular given, over the stretch of games, one goalie was playing night in and night out again top teams and the other was a clear back-up and playing back-up type competition.

    Not to mention that Montoya, after a great couple weeks to start the season, has been very bad on a decent to good Condors team and has lost the starting job.

    Given the still small sample size on Koskinen in the NHL, his history of not having a heavy workload (even when factoring in the international games, he’s never been a workhorse), he’s already shown signs of fatigue, I am not comfortable moving Talbot unless we get a real nice return and I simply don’t see that happening.

    To me, any value in a Talbot trade would be the cap space given we will have very little in the up and coming months to use for acquisitions but, at this point, its simply too much of a risk.

    We have Reggie coming back which should help the defence.

    Yes, we could use some firepower up front – well, we have Spooner who really is a proven top 6 guy that hasn’t been tried there as well as Zykov who hasn’t been tried there.

    There are other options prior to making the risky goaltending trade.

    Not to mention how express the coach has been on needing two goalies to make the playoffs in the West given travel and schedules, etc.

  36. Ryan says:

    Tie game!

  37. silasbengtsson says:

    Glovjuice: Why “boys” ? LT, PLEASE put a halt to this.

    Excellent parody of modern offense culture 😉

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: Talbot for Simmonds seems like a no brainer to me.

    As much as the Flyers need a goalie, that’s not a no-brainer for them.

    Talbot is not going to get that type of return, even for a guy on an expiring contract (as Talbot is himself) that comes with no commitment.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Parayko cap is 5.5.

    Yes, I know, however, if we acquire him mid-season, for this season, we only need to fit in the remainder.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s still tied with Starett in starts (albeit with a poor .879)

    I would work the young men in the AHL too.

    Why does BAK have 3 goalies on the roster?

    Why did Stuart come up?

    Yes, he’s tied with Starett for starts and that is because Starett has taken over the starting job. Montoya had the next, night in night out (with the odd night off) for a substantial stretch to start the season.

    Starett has played better and stolen the starter job.

    Wells just called called up from the ECHL (after being named ECHL goalie of the year) and started his second AHL game of the year (his first was earlier in the year). The three goalies on the roster is a brand new thing (only 1 game so far) and, honestly, I’m not sure why.

    Bottom line, Montoya is struggling in the American league and I can’t agree with a narrative that suggests a likelihood that there is a nominal drop off, if any, if he replaces Talbot.

  41. Side says:

    JimmyV1965: I’ve never seen anything of the sort. In fact, weren’t there some issues after Christmas last year where he didn’t feel part of the team? There was an interview in I forget what magazine. In fact, I think you may have posted the link to that interview.

    You must have missed the Larsson interview recently where he talked about how happy he was for Lucic when Lucic made a play a couple of games ago that setup Nuge for a goal. Larsson went on to say how happy he was for Lucic and how much “we” love having him on the team. How he is a leader and a good guy, etc. And how he’s “worth it”.

    I think the interview you are referencing was also about how Lucic’s life has changed now that he has a kid. He stays home with his wife and kid and prefers to do that but that means he misses out on hanging out with the younger guys when they do things like go carting.

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I’ve never seen anything of the sort. In fact, weren’t there some issues after Christmas last year where he didn’t feel part of the team? There was an interview in I forget what magazine. In fact, I think you may have posted the link to that interview.

    Stauffer, et al, have mentioned it various time. I believe Quinn/DeBrusk as well.

    Players have also mentioned it in interviews.

    Yes, but Lucic not able to go out with the youngsters b/c of family obligations does not mean his teamates don’t want him in the room and on the ice and, from many accounts, they absolutely do.

    Either way, I have seen, read, heard nothing about Lucic being on the team being an “unhealthy situation”.

  43. Jethro Tull says:

    Shots fired with an hour til puck drop.

    Bring your broom, it might get messy.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think the only argument for keeping Talbot is fear of what happens should Koskinen crap the bed. But if Koskinen does crap the bed, can we realistically expect Talbot to bail us out? I think the answer is clearly no. By keeping Talbot you’re playing it safe, but you really aren’t safe. We can get anyone to come in and play meh. By trading Talbot you are being aggressive, you’re doing whatever it takes to win.Right now, Simmonds (insert multiple names here) would do more to help this team win than Talbot.

    Its not the only argument, in particular if you listen to the coach and his feelings on the situation and his express opinion that, with travel and schedules in the west, two goalies is needed to make the playoffs.

    Does anyone really thing that riding Koskinen like McLellan rode Talbot for years is a good idea? McLellan got ripped for doing essentially what many are suggesting be done with Koskinen.

  45. Dr. Taboggan says:

    The entire Pacific won today. Bleh.

    Edit: San Jose game is not over but they are playing the Hawks…

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy: You can’t keep Talbot around to play the remaining 30% of the games and let him walk for nothing. His is at peak value for a couple of teams willing to give us a draft pick or two in hopes he can resurrect their season. Oh and the cap savings, just think of what you can buy for 4.16M.

    I believe you can keep Talbot, play him as needed and let him walk. Playoff teams do this all the time – most playoff teams don’t sell their roster UFA’s leading up to the stretch and the playoffs.

    I don’t believe the piece we’ll get back is material enough to take on the risk – not at this point in the season.

    I have posted multiple times that the main return would be cap space – lets not forget, there are more assets going out in order to use that cap space.

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    This.

    You have to see how Koskinen does with a heavier workload before you extend him for big dollars.

    Also agree freeing up Talbot’s cap allows room for a 2RD.

    With additional assets going out for that 2RD.

    This team will be flush with d-man when a 2RD is acquired, Russell and Klef recover and we acquire a brand new top 4 d-man for no acquisition cost and not additional cap in Sekera.

  48. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its not the only argument, in particular if you listen to the coach and his feelings on the situation and his express opinion that, with travel and schedules in the west, two goalies is needed to make the playoffs.

    Does anyone really thing that riding Koskinen like McLellan rode Talbot for years is a good idea? McLellan got ripped for doing essentially what many are suggesting be done with Koskinen.

    You’re a perplexing individual.

    Let’s say we keep Talbot. Koskinen rides out the season <60% of starts. Kicks out the jams. Huge contract ensues.

    Then Koskinen gets >75% of the starts next season.

    Oops. Houston we have a problem.

    How do we avoid this?

  49. OilHub says:

    Katz_kat,

    Have you been to a game in St. Louis before? It’s an amazing facility, if you can get upstairs to watch the game I strongly recommend trying.

    if you have time, see if there is a tour of the ball diamond going on where you are there. The stories you will hear are incredible even if your not a MLB fan.

    So much to do there, might want to pack an extra “Liver” too. Lol

  50. kgo says:

    OriginalPouzar: This is a very good point and it matches with much of the coach’s verbal about goals coming from scoring chances which come from possession, not shots. Creating “straight legs” on the opponents.

    Oh man! Someone actually agreed with and even complimented an argument I made on the internet! I’m seriously considering framing this reply! maybe the whole thread!

  51. SK Oiler Fan says:

    This TB jets game is a heavyweight bout. Incredible E W puck movement by TB. Great counter attack by Jets with a more traditional N S power game. Well coached teams. Helps when you’re loaded with skill, speed, and size throughout

  52. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its not the only argument, in particular if you listen to the coach and his feelings on the situation and his express opinion that, with travel and schedules in the west, two goalies is needed to make the playoffs.

    Hitch has backed his words up with his actions too. He hasn’t started a goalie in 60 games since Belfour around the turn of the century.

    FWIW I’d be on board with moving Talbot for the right return (2nd rounder or potential top 4 D/top 6 forward, even on an expiring contract). That type of return would be worth the risk IMO (and I agree the risk would be significant). Whether that’s out there is another question. And per the above, it’s likely a moot point anyway.

  53. Jaxon says:

    Does anyone know much about Nick Jensen in Detroit? RHD. Detroit needs goaltending and scoring. And while they’re probably not the answer Detroit is looking for, as a desperate team may hope to capitalize on two players having down years in hopes that they rebound in a new setting.

    Spooner and Talbot for…?

    Bernier? Athanasiou? Jensen? Other?

  54. tileguy says:

    Almost game time, if Miko lets in 2 goals or less we trade Talbot, more than 2 he stays. Enjoy the game.

  55. Reja says:

    Everyone won today we need to keep pace hopefully the boys come out on fire.

  56. treevojo says:

    Man * and * Woman

    I know a lot of people including myself have complained about Remenda in the past but I am so not looking forward to sportsnet pacific on my Center Ice pkg tonight.

    The dys fans deserve these asswipes.

    * edited for glovjuice *

  57. Gerta Rauss says:

    treevojo:
    Man

    I know a lot of people including myself have complained about Remenda in the past but I am so not looking forward to sportsnet pacific on my Center Ice pkg tonight.

    The dys fans deserve these asswipes.

    I scrolled through the channels on Shaw for an alternative but Sportsnet West is blacked out in BC

    Garrett and Shorthouse it is

  58. Hockey Project says:

    Gravel with such a good pass out of the zone.

  59. jp says:

    So Khaira-Nuge-Pulju hard matched against the Canucks best? Is that right?

    That would certainly change things for the Identity line, wouldn’t it.

  60. Gerta Rauss says:

    nice push by the boys….ahem…these hockey playing persons…through the first 5 min

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    So Khaira-Nuge-Pulju hard matched against the Canucks best? Is that right?

    That would certainly change things for the Identity line, wouldn’t it.

    Hitch has been express that he doesn’t agree with hard-marching lines in today’s game and he will use at least two lines against the Petersson line, including the, terribly named, Identity Line and the McDavid line. Of course, Nuge can center a line that takes on toughs as well.

  62. jtblack says:

    20 players had 82+ points last season.

    45 have over 1 ppg so far this year.

    Clearly scoring is up. Winder by how much?

  63. Paulie says:

    98 often skates the puck close to a linemate before passing. Annoying.

  64. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    PSA for the group as I’ve not yet seen it mentioned.

    Talbot has a M-NTC where he can name 10 teams he can be traded to.
    source: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/cam-talbot

    Something to keep in mind for hypothetical trade scenarios.

  65. Gerta Rauss says:

    nice shift by the Lucic line, Caleb Jones not shy about shooting from the point

  66. Munny says:

    The Id line id libbing nicely.

  67. Paulie says:

    Jones with a great shift. Looked calm out there.

  68. Chief Inspector says:

    Drai with the lazy backcheck

  69. docweb says:

    Brutal pinch by Garrison

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    PSA for the group as I’ve not yet seen it mentioned.

    Talbot has a M-NTC where he can name 10 teams he can be traded to.
    source: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/cam-talbot

    Something to keep in mind for hypothetical trade scenarios.

    Definite factor, however, given he needs a contract for next year and, at this point, he’s in line for maybe 30% of the starts (subject to his and Koskinen’s future play, of course), he’d likely be in favor of waiving for any destination that gets him more starts – it would be a temporary commitment given he’s unsigned for next year and a UFA.

  71. OmJo says:

    To Edmonton
    Loui Eriksson

    To Vancouver
    Milan Lucic
    6th round pick

    Granted, Lucic won’t waive to go to his hometown. But who better to help Hitch turn Puljujarvi into the next Eriksson than Eriksson.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chief Inspector:
    Drai with the lazy backcheck

    When he gets his legs moving, hes’ a very powerful skater, isn’t he?

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    2 min for being stronger than the rookie.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Jesse just killed a man. Mama, ooooooooooo

  75. Chief Inspector says:

    OriginalPouzar: When he gets his legs moving, hes’ a very powerful skater, isn’t he?

    Indeed

  76. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Fin brutal call. F in dive. Why can’t they see this? No nhl player would be that stupid to body slam a guy at center ice without the puck. Peterson did a cartwheel FFS Zebras!

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo:
    To Edmonton
    Loui Eriksson

    To Vancouver
    Milan Lucic
    6th round pick

    Granted, Lucic won’t waive to go to his hometown. But who better to help Hitch turn Puljujarvi into the next Eriksson than Eriksson.

    I thought Hitch was turning him in the next Lehtonen.

    Is he able turn in to someone that isn’t from a Norwegian country are is he limited?

  78. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    2 min for being stronger than the rookie.

    Garrett said he slew footed Petterson but that’s not what I saw-just strength and leverage and Petterson was on his ass

  79. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Could have just as easily been 2 mins to Petterson for holding as he flailed down to the ice.

  80. Munny says:

    Sounds like a healthy-sized Oiler contingent occupying the seats.

  81. Munny says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Could have just as easily been 2 mins to Petterson for holding as he flailed down to the ice.

    Yup… Petterson was attempting to interfere with Pujo

  82. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Gerta Rauss: Garrett said he slew footed Petterson but that’s not what I saw-just strength and leverage and Petterson was on his ass

    I’m so happy I can listen to the Oiler feed. Garrett is the worst.

  83. SK Oiler Fan says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Exactly. He used pulu arm as a tire swing.

  84. Caller Zen says:

    Looks like Hitch is putting out the Nuge line against Petterson …wonder if this changes after the #98 penalty.

  85. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Munny:
    Sounds like a healthy-sized Oiler contingent occupying the seats.

    It’s usually about 1/4 Oiler fans. about 1/2 when montreal comes to town.

  86. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Caller Zen,

    That would be so Todd.

    Doubt it happens with Hitch.

  87. treevojo says:

    Jess’s confidence is growing.

  88. Gerta Rauss says:

    Suntory Hanzo: I’m so happy I can listen to the Oiler feed.Garrett is the worst.

    aren’t you in the lower mainland..?

  89. Chief Inspector says:

    Jesse is moving today

  90. Dicky94 says:

    JP flying tonight. He’s going to get one.

  91. Caller Zen says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Caller Zen,

    That would be so Todd.

    Doubt it happens with Hitch.

    Agreed, especially since the call was a weak one.

  92. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Nice anticipation there by Jones to break up the pass in the slot then contribute to the zone exit.

  93. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Jones looking calm out there.

  94. Derek says:

    Looks like Mcdavid is going to have to overcome the Horvat checking line and having Garrison on the backend with him tonight if he wants to score some points.

  95. Munny says:

    Cheeky Spoons

  96. Reja says:

    A coach that matches lines what a concept.

  97. Munny says:

    Out-shooting them 8-2 over the last ten minutes or so.

  98. Dicky94 says:

    Maybe Looch can play D?

  99. Munny says:

    If Pujo’s was a penalty then so was Roussel on Nurse.

  100. Lowetide says:

    Larsson trying to give me a heart attack.

  101. Lowetide says:

    Puljujarvi is playing roller derby tonight. Good!

  102. Munny says:

    Nice to see a little roughness from the young Finn.

  103. Gerta Rauss says:

    strong first period

  104. treevojo says:

    Jesse ate his Wheaties today.

    I like it

  105. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Pujo on a rampage tonight.

    Me likey.

  106. Derek says:

    Big Pizza doing some bulldozing in the first.

  107. jp says:

    Suntory Hanzo: I’m so happy I can listen to the Oiler feed.Garrett is the worst.

    Yeah, Garrett doesn’t always tell it like it is. I should see if I can switch

  108. Chief Inspector says:

    JP looking like he had his Wheaties today.

  109. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide:
    Larsson trying to give me a heart attack.

    LT…you don’t have time for that nonsense. You would be screwing with my reading & listening pleasure. Now give us those good corgis for the first…😉

  110. Oil2Oilers says:

    Jones has NHL skating ability, as long promised

  111. Lowetide says:

    After One:

    No score
    Shots: 10-7 Edmonton
    Corsi for 5-on-5: 19-12 Edmonton

    I thought the Oilers had the better chances, and since they are the rested team, this should bode well. I also thought Marc Pouliot would be a fine two-way center.

  112. Hockey Project says:

    I don’t know if it was just the homer in me when I was younger, but I don’t recall Garrett being so ridiculous when he worked for ITV. Could be selective memory.

  113. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Good period. Forgot my level of despise of the Canucks. Peak was the douchery of Burrows Cooke and Bieksa

  114. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: As much as the Flyers need a goalie, that’s not a no-brainer for them.

    Talbot is not going to get that type of return, even for a guy on an expiring contract (as Talbot is himself) that comes with no commitment.

    Simmonds is not having a very good year.

  115. silasbengtsson says:

    jtblack:
    20 players had 82+ points last season.

    45 have over 1 ppg so far this year.

    Clearly scoring is up.Winder by how much?

    Goals per game across the league are up to 6.21 while average save %s are down to .902 iirc. Up from 5.94 and .908 last year. For further context, those numbers were 5.42 and .910 in 2015-16.

  116. Dicky94 says:

    Hockey Project,

    It will get even worse if the Oil get up a couple goals on them.

  117. Hockey Project says:

    I’m glad that Gaudette kept such a stereotypically cliched interview perfectly monotone and without a microsecond’s pause between words. He learned all of the lessons that Crash Davis offered.

  118. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I believe you can keep Talbot, play him as needed and let him walk.Playoff teams do this all the time – most playoff teams don’t sell their roster UFA’s leading up to the stretch and the playoffs.

    I don’t believe the piece we’ll get back is material enough to take on the risk – not at this point in the season.

    I have posted multiple times that the main return would be cap space – lets not forget, there are more assets going out in order to use that cap space.

    I’ll agree with this in the sense that I don’t trade Talbot for futures, unless there is another deal to use his cap space. I just think there’s still many flaws on this team and if we can turn Talbot into a player that helps us now, you do it.

  119. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: I thought Hitch was turning him in the next Lehtonen.

    Is he able turn in to someone that isn’t from a Norwegian country are is he limited?

    That awkward moment when you confuse Lehtonen with Eriksson.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve heard the interview from Hitch a few times today but find it interesting that he mentions a difference in the tender recently is that Talbot has faced more chances off the rush whereas Koskinen has faced more chances “in-zone” – I wonder if there is something to the team playing differently in front of the two goalies recently and if maybe that is something Hitch was subtlety getting at when he mentioned it?

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: Simmonds is not having a very good year.

    Neither is Talbot and Simmonds has more value before the year and now than Talbot, in my opinion.

  122. Lowetide says:

    Nuge scored.

  123. jp says:

    Lovely!!! Nuuuuugggeee!!!

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Khaira stays hot with battle and slick passes in the o-zone.

    Great play by Jesse to keep the play alive.

  125. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Gerta Rauss: aren’t you in the lower mainland..?

    Yes, I’m in Abbotsford. Grade 2 – University, I lived in Sherwood Park. Watching online so I rarely have to listen to the Canuck feed. Every so often there is no choice. Garrett makes Millions seem like a great caster.

    NUGE!! Burnaby Winter Club!

  126. OilClog says:

    Hitch is a whisperer

  127. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Nuge.

  128. jp says:

    What a little pass by Khaira too!

  129. Bulging Twine says:

    Nice pass Khaira

  130. Gerta Rauss says:

    JJ with some sweet backhand sauce there

  131. Side says:

    JP looking like both an immovable object and unstoppable force tonight.

  132. treevojo says:

    Oh my fuck.

    My wife just informed me 3 secs after the power went out that NSP has a planned power outage for 2 hours for maintenance tonight.

    Well there goes my night.

    Bullshit

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oh, Kass, you need to shoot that off the pads for a rebound, not try and pick the far side corner for the play to go the other way.

  134. Hockey Project says:

    What a pass from Khaira!

  135. Bulging Twine says:

    wow Koskinen!

  136. Gerta Rauss says:

    Suntory Hanzo: Watching online so I rarely have to listen to the Canuck feed.

    that’s what I was wondering

    i’m a slave to my HDTV and John Garrett is the price you have to pay

  137. Hockey Project says:

    Benning took a crosscheck straight to the face…

  138. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Gerta Rauss: that’s what I was wondering

    i’m a slave to my HDTV and John Garrett is the price you have to pay

    Understood. Haven’t had cable since the year Hall was drafted. All my sports through feeds. Mayhaps I should stop by for a drink and a game one day.

  139. russ99 says:

    That was super dirty. Should have been a double-minor.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Would rather see Benning on PP1 than Nurse generally.

    Of note, Jones was PP1 in Bakersfield all year.

  141. BONE207 says:

    If the Nhl were serious about head shots & concussions, would they not give double minors for them? Twisted sport sometimes…

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    Puljujarvi is a beast tonight, in particular on the forecheck – this was building, we could all see it coming.

  143. jzed says:

    What a pathetic power play, let Nurse rest and put Jones out there, totally wasted chance to take over gane

  144. Oil2Oilers says:

    What is the criteria for being on the Oilers second power play unit? Pity, is the only obvious one too me.

  145. BONE207 says:

    Mad Dog Poolparty tonight. Shits gonna happen tonight. Pizzas on flight home..woohoo

  146. Reja says:

    Kass sure looks good since Hitch took over.

  147. digger50 says:

    If we just cut off Oscar’s pinky finger he’d probably be back on the power play in a week. He doesn’t really need it does he?

  148. Chief Inspector says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Puljujarvi is a beast tonight, in particular on the forecheck – this was building, we could all see it coming.

    The Canucks are hating life when he is on the ice tonight.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Koskinen with 3 or 4 real solid saves since the Oilers took the lead – plus tending.

  150. dsr29 says:

    Chiasson dragging that top line tonight

  151. BONE207 says:

    digger50:
    If we just cut off Oscar’s pinky finger he’d probably be back on the power play in a week. He doesn’t really need it does he?

    Doctor told me that the middle finger is the one to lose. Especially for holding & gripping actions…that’s why it has such a special function in social gatherings…🖕

  152. Gerta Rauss says:

    weak

  153. BONE207 says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    weak

    Oilers playing against 2 teams again…

  154. flyfish1168 says:

    Momentum swinging the wrong way

  155. Ice Sage says:

    Refs gonna ref.
    Canucks keeping good structure – Oilers will have to keep grinding.

  156. jzed says:

    Cue the shitty power play goal against after our bed wetting version. Got a bad feeling

  157. jzed says:

    Stopped posting to watch that crap

  158. Gerta Rauss says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    weak

    I thought the penalty was on McDavid…lol…..

  159. Lowetide says:

    1-1 tie. I didn’t like the call against Jones, but it’s done and time to get that one back right away.

  160. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Yah well.call the Fin holding of the arm. What an act!

  161. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    If looch plays another decade he’ll never score

  162. flyfish1168 says:

    Milan you will never score again

  163. BONE207 says:

    Lucic…same as it ever was. Maybe in 2019

  164. npanciroli says:

    That call is kinda par for the course.

  165. BONE207 says:

    Looked like off the glass.

  166. jp says:

    Wow, that is a truly terrible penalty

  167. Halfwise says:

    That’s a sketchy call.

  168. Gerta Rauss says:

    OK, so that’s a weak call

    flat out wrong

  169. Professor Q says:

    Refs are crap.

  170. jzed says:

    Pretty obvious the Van referees hospitality suite is still in operation

  171. SK Oiler Fan says:

    That’s an amazing 1 arm flick over the glass. Aided by 2 arms of a canuck

  172. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Brutal

  173. Lowetide says:

    2-1 Vancouver. Not sure if the puck was tipped or Koskinen couldn’t squeeze it.

  174. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Koski challelling his inner Talbot.

  175. Ice Sage says:

    Welcome back to the West Coast!

  176. geowal says:

    Quick! Trade Koskinen for a pick and re-sign Talbot!

  177. jzed says:

    Oilers lose 6-2, total up tick in effort by knuckle heads and referees full attention after that abysmal power play

  178. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Special teams still an issue under hitch

  179. npanciroli says:

    Oilers don’t look great today, especially McDavid line.

  180. Gerta Rauss says:

    too many men penalty…the suspense is killing me…

  181. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Thanks Quinn…say there is a Too Many Men penalty, but don’t say which team. Cut to break.

  182. Soup Fascist says:

    Garrison needs to be Garri-gone. Like today.

    Bad goal by Koskinen but, good gravy, can you back up anymore.

    Is Wideman worse than this?

  183. Dicky94 says:

    Who is the guy doing play by play with Garret? He’s a mess.

  184. BONE207 says:

    C’mon PK

  185. Gerta Rauss says:

    jzed:
    Oilers lose 6-2, total up tick in effort by knuckle heads and referees full attention after that abysmal power play

    the Sedin’s with 3 points each

  186. StixMalone says:

    Refs really looking to spoil the night for us

  187. Sierra says:

    3 penalties in a row, literally in a row. Oilers need to get it together.

  188. npanciroli says:

    Normally I’d say the Oilers should get the next few calls but it never goes that way for us.

  189. Younger Oil says:

    Oilers need another functional defenceman.

    The referees are also garbage.

  190. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Sierra:
    3 penalties in a row, literally in a row. Oilers need to get it together.

    Yes. I don’t get this “refs are against us” in this particular game. The oilers are simply being outplayed.

  191. npanciroli says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    It can be both.

  192. Dicky94 says:

    JP with McDavid and Dra in the 3rd?

  193. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Oilers are fine other than 2 for 3 on terrible calls and counting

  194. BONE207 says:

    LT…bring on the bad news…

  195. innercitysmytty says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    Maybe it’s the interference all over the ice by nucks players not being called that gives people this impression.

  196. npanciroli says:

    Dicky94,

    I would do this for sure. First line need some jump.

  197. innercitysmytty says:

    I think the guy working the shot clock is high. Counted at least 5 obvious shots by the Oilers they didn’t count, plus a few phantom ones by the nucks.

  198. Lowetide says:

    After Two:

    2-1 Vancouver (2-0 Canucks in the second)
    22-14 Vancouver shots (15-4 Canucks in the second)
    26-26 Corsi for 5-on-5 (14-7 Van in the second)

    Exact opposite of what I thought would happen, so there you go. I don’t think the referees called a fair period, but the Oilers PK sprang a leak and the goalie let in two from range.

  199. Oil2Oilers says:

    Gravel-Jones when they are not having BS calls made against them look like competent NHL defensemen. Garrison looks like his career is over.

    Nuge line, beyond the goal look like Woodmoney All Stars.

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