Brick by Brick

The Edmonton Oilers have many miles to go before anyone mistakes them for a strong Stanley Cup contender. There is the opportunity for growth this season exists on many levels, including emerging talents (Puljujarvi, Khaira, Jones), problems solved (for now) via free agency (Mikko Koskinen, Alex Chiasson) and a farm team that has already delivered some help, with more possibly on the way. What is needed? More quality draft picks.

THE ATHLETIC

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  • New Jonathan Willis: The Ryan Spooner for Ryan Strome trade has yet to pay dividends for the Edmonton Oilers.
  • New Lowetide: Ken Hitchcock, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and finding that elusive perfect fit on the Oilers No. 2 line.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Milan Lucic should not be an everyday player for the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Corey Pronman: World Junior Championship Preview: Team Canada
  • Lowetide: Ken Hitchcock and the Oilers fan base that is intoxicated by the words of the great communicator
  • Jonathan Willis: Under Ken Hitchcock, the Oilers may be moving away from the yo-yo approach to development. 
  • Lowetide: With Oscar Klefbom’s injury, will the Oilers look in unusual places for a solution?
  • Black Dog Pat: A bittersweet year 
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS 2019 DRAFT PICKS

  • First round—No. 17 overall.
  • Second round—No. 48 overall.
  • Third round—No. 77 overall (from NY Islanders, for Brandon Davidson).
  • Third round—No. 79 overall.
  • Fourth round—No. 110 overall.
  • Fifth round—Hayden Hawkey (selection, tentatively No. 141 traded to Montreal)
  • Sixth round—No. 172 overall.
  • Seventh round—No. 203 overall.

Edmonton is slated to pick middle of each round based on current standings, it would be only the second time this decade the club would select outside the top 10 overall. Small victories are big steps.

PROSPECTS, BY POSITION AND TYPE

  • Your mileage may vary in terms of player type (or position) but the idea here is to house the entire group and then get some idea about areas of strength.
  • I believe the Oilers have some of these positions well covered. They include goalies, offensive defensemen and shutdown blue. I further believe that Marody satisfies the need for a playmaking center, considering the quality at the position in the NHL.
  • My vote for ‘need’ is scoring forwards and two-way forwards. Teams don’t draft for need, per se, but all things being equal it would be a fine idea to add some prospects to give Yamamoto, Hebig and Maksimov a push.
  • Going into the draft, I think Edmonton might be focused on big forwards and snipers, and might add a goalie and a member of the U.S. National Team (as they do).

THE 2019 TOP 20 (FIRST EDITION)

  1. LC Jack Hughes, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). A brilliant offensive player, cerebral, quick and highly skilled.
  2. R Kaapo Kakko, Turkku (Sm-Liiga). A big power forward with tons of talent who is emerging in real time.
  3. R Dylan Cozens, Lethbridge (WHL). Size, skill and he can skate. Range of skills, accurate shooter.
  4. RC Kirby Dach, Saskatoon (WHL). A dynamic player with size and tremendous skill, has speed, wingspan and an excellent release.
  5. R Vasili Podkolzin, St. Petersburg (MHL). Smart player with tons of offensive ability, but also possesses good two-way instinct.
  6. L Arthur Kaliyev, Hamilton (OHL). He’s a fantastic scoring prospect. Good not great skater.
  7. LC Trevor Zegras, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). Undersized and highly skilled, elusive and aggressive with very good speed.
  8. L Jakob Pelletier, Moncton (QMJHL). Undersized skill winger with two-way ability.
  9. LC Peyton Krebs, Kootenay (WHL). Skill forward who can score, he has quick feet and good hands.
  10. LC Ryan Suzuki, Barrie (OHL). Great vision, skill, tremendous passer. If he were faster, he’d be top five.
  11. R Cole Caufield, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). He’s small, fast and a ridiculous scorer. Quick release, accurate.
  12. LD Bowen Byram, Vancouver (WHL). Explosive speed is his top attribute but he’s also excellent with the puck and owns a heavy shot.
  13. LC Alex Turcotte, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). A strong two-way reputation, he is skilled and an excellent skater. Injuries a worry.
  14. LD Cam York, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). The latest impact puck mover out of the USHL, great speed, passing and creativity.
  15. L Matthew Boldy, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). Bigger winger with skill, he’s strong on the puck and can score goals.
  16. RC Raphael Lavoie, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Big center with a long reach, and a plus shot.
  17. LD Thomas Harley, Mississauga (OHL). Good size, speed and he’s posting impressive numbers. Spiking as we speak.
  18. LC Alex Newhook, Victoria (BCHL). Terrific scorer with playmaking skilled and dogged determination on the backcheck. High end potential.
  19. LD Matthew Robertson, Edmonton (WHL). Big two-way defenseman with good speed and some offense.
  20. LD Philip Broberg, AIK (Allsvenskan). He’s big and can skate, while also displaying puck moving ability.

FOUR FOR THE OILERS

Among the group above, Arthur Kaliyev is ranked far below my number, he would be the No. 1 target for Edmonton at No. 17. I also like Cole Caufield. Here are four more I like who didn’t make my top 20:

  • RC Brett Leason, Prince Albert (WHL). He’ll play for Canada at the WJ’s, and was eligible for the 2018 draft (HockeyProspect.com had him No. 208). Leason has a first-round buzz, would be considered a reach for No. 17 at this time.
  • R Bobby Brink, Sioux City (USHL). Undersized winger with outstanding speed and playmaking ability. Scoring goals at a rapid clip this season (15 in 18 games).
  • RD Lassi Thomson, Kelowna (WHL). One of the better skating defensemen in this year’s draft, he’s a two-way player whose speed helps in transportation and retrieval.
  • L Michal Mrazik, Rogle (Swedish Jr). Zero buzz on a big PF who can skate well and is a first-shot scorer.

NEW LINES

Ken Hitchcock changed the lines at practice yesterday, moving Jesse Puljujarvi and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to the McDavid line and tweaking all four units. About the JP move, he said “I know if I get him up tempo-wise, with the way his conscience is on the ice defensively, he’s going to make a good teammate. So, why not play him with the fastest player on the team and maybe the League and see if he can keep up?”

  • Nuge—McDavid—Puljujarvi
  • Rieder—Draisaitl—Chiasson
  • Lucic—Khaira (Spooner)—Rattie
  • Caggiula—Brodziak—Kassian

I like the lines, but suspect it’ll result in the McDavid trio being the one reliable offensive trio. If the team can find a way to make this work, music! I remain convinced Khaira—Nuge—Puljujarvi is the answer.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

It’s Friday, just before Christmas! At 10 this morning, we hit the air for some jocularity. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. We’ll chat biggest sports stories of the year and Christmas memories.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Once the trade window opens again, will Philadelphia or St. Louis be first out of the gate?
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Are the new lines the right thing to do? Why did St. Louis show up against the Oilers and play so poorly against Calgary and Vancouver?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Happy Ho-Ho!

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180 Responses to "Brick by Brick"

  1. 36 percent body fat says:

    stop wasting contract on vessey and larkin (echl players who cant score) and start betting on SHL free agents under the age of 25 at the top of the scoring race.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage expressed at points over/under fake Bettman .500 because Mustard Tiger and N64 are nits.

    Central
    WPG 13
    NSH 10
    COL 9

    Pacific
    CGY 11
    SJS 7
    ANA 6

    Wildcard
    VGK 5
    EDM 4
    —————
    Out of playoffs
    DAL 2
    MIN 2
    VAN 0
    STL -3
    ARI -4
    CHI -7
    LAK -8

    Good night for EDM as all of SJS, ANA, DAL and MIN lost in regulation. VGK won so they take the wildcard lead.

    VAN is creeping up to the wildcard race as they are 6-1-1- in their last 8.

    Pacific and DAL/MIN games tonight: None.

  3. 106 and 106 says:

    Hope the double practices under Hitch help with structure and implementing the new systems!

  4. leadfarmer says:

    Well at least we’re keeping the Nuge – Puljujarvi mentorship going

  5. 106 and 106 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Finally, that crazy train of every team going 8-1-1 has ended for now.

    Each win was just keeping up with the Jones’s (Ducks?)

  6. 36 percent body fat says:

    36 percent body fat,

    and please dont tell me they are prospect depth addition, because they are will likely never be AHL regulars let alone NHL.

    Same idea with drafting brindamour. Stop drafting roll players and 4th line checkers. you can easily find replacement players every year with nhl experience to fill this roll for 600K.

    Lets think of it as lottery tickets. If your NHL player needs a value of at least 100k, and you have 2 dollars left (7th round pic) do you buy a scratcher where the max prize is 100k and only 1 prize available, or do you buy a chance at the super 7 worth 60M (lundqvist) and 50 max millions.

    The point is, play the numbers. Draft skill. Sign skill. dont waste picks or assets on role players, (im not talking about an elite 2 way center). When you feel you need that role player they will be there mid september wanting a cheap contract, and have a good chunk of nhl experience.

  7. Lowetide says:

    The guy I like the most from those depth signings is Logan Day, not listed because he’s on an AHL deal.

  8. Pescador says:

    Re: recent line combos
    Just for 1 game, I would like to see a top 6 of:

    Hall – McDavid – Grilled Cheese sandwich
    Nuge – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi

  9. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Pescador:
    Re: recent line combos
    Just for 1 game, I would like to see a top 6 of:

    Hall – McDavid – Grilled Cheese sandwich
    Nuge – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi

    No no no… you got that all wrong. It should be:

    Nuge – McDavid – Puljujvarvi
    Hall – Draisaitl – Bacon Double Cheeseburger

    Now that’s a lineup with some beef in it! 😃👍

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    I love the new top 6.

    In 150 minutes, Chiasson and Drai without McDavid have an 83% goal share (5-1) and positive posession numbers. When they are with McDavid, the goal share drops to 65% and the posession turns negative.

    Drai and Chiasson together with McDavid has been awesome and Rieder should be a great fit there.

    We know McDavid and Nuge will produce and Jesse on the RW to be the bull he has been recently could work great – Jesse has solid numbers with McDavid in the past and I think he’s shown to improve McDavid’s numbers – middling sample size.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Coach said that Spooner would go in with Khaira suspended but also said that he will play wing as he is better at wing and coach doesn’t seem him as a center.

    Given practice lines, that doesn’t work as neither Rattie nor Lucic can play center.

    I would suggest that line likely sees one of the big 3 centers for most of their shifts with whichever two wingers “are going” getting the most ice out of the three.

    I wish Zykov would get a chance, and in the top 6.

    I wish Wideman would come in over Garrison – this must be leftie/rightie but Jones can move back to his natural side (he’d have to be split from Gravel then, mind you).

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    36 percent body fat:
    stop wasting contract on vessey and larkin (echl players who cant score) and start betting on SHL free agents under the age of 25 at the top of the scoring race.

    I would think Larkin does not get qualified this spring – he’ll be gone.

  13. Woogie63 says:

    The conveyer belt is travelling at the right speed.

  14. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    I wish ANY OTHER DMAN would come in over Garrison

    FTFY

  15. McSorley33 says:

    Lucic—Khaira (Spooner)—Rattie
    Caggiula—Brodziak—Kassian
    ***************************************************************************
    For those that caught it – the San Jose vs Winnipeg game was outstanding – the pace of
    play and the puck moving from D to forwards with speed was foreign to this Oiler fan.

    Sharks dominated play but Jets won.

    Then I glance at our bottom 6 forwards and I cannot help but realize how we are bringing
    a knife to a gun fight most nights.

    Again, to echo LT – we need draft picks and need those picks to yield fleet footed scoring wingers.

  16. Woogie63 says:

    Spooner-McDavid-Rattie
    Khaira-Nuge-Puljujarvi
    Caggiula-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Reider- Brodziak-Kassian

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Sekera
    Russell-Jones

    Koskinen
    Talbot

    Has a chance, and Talbot could turn into a scoring winger

  17. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I love the new top 6.

    In 150 minutes, Chiasson and Drai without McDavid have an 83% goal share (5-1) and positive posession numbers. When they are with McDavid, the goal share drops to 65% and the posession turns negative.

    Drai and Chiasson together with McDavid has been awesome and Rieder should be a great fit there.
    ***************************************************************************************************************
    Agreed. I keep saying – numbers aside – the chemistry with Drai and Chiasson is real.

  18. dustrock says:

    Should be a fun game. Have fun memories of the Tampa game last year, first time I took my daughter to a game, she was on tv for a quick sec, McDavid had a hat trick, great stuff.

  19. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage expressed at points over/under fake Bettman .500 because Mustard Tiger and N64 are nits.

    Central
    WPG13
    NSH10
    COL9

    Pacific
    CGY11
    SJS7
    ANA6

    Wildcard
    VGK5
    EDM4
    —————
    Out of playoffs
    DAL2
    MIN2
    VAN0
    STL-3
    ARI-4
    CHI-7
    LAK-8

    Good night for EDM as all of SJS, ANA, DAL and MIN lost in regulation.VGK won so they take the wildcard lead.

    VAN is creeping up to the wildcard race as they are 6-1-1- in their last 8.

    Pacific and DAL/MIN games tonight: None.

    I don’t think the Oil are competing with Cgy & SJS for a playoff spot as much as I feel greasy saying it.
    One of VGK or Ana are likely going to grab a spot, that leaves 4 teams viaing for the 2 remaining spots.
    VAN is running hot right now but I doubt it continues.
    DAL is getting healthy on the back end but lack scoring depth, plus some suspect goaltending at times.
    MIN – see DAL.
    EDM – see DAL.
    Might just end up being EDM, DAL & MIN for the last Wildcard.
    Oiler needs: Healthy D core, Sekera miracle & 1 top 6 winger.
    No cap space, so highly unlikely even though they have the assets needed to acquire one.
    Very frustrating

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    The guy I like the most from those depth signings is Logan Day, not listed because he’s on an AHL deal.

    That guy can play with the puck, that’s for sure.

    Away from the puck, however……. yowsers.

    He’s likely earning himself an NHL deal in the spring though.

  21. Pescador says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: No no no… you got that all wrong. It should be:

    Nuge – McDavid – Puljujvarvi
    Hall – Draisaitl – Bacon Double Cheeseburger

    Now that’s a lineup with some beef in it!

    1 please

  22. jake70 says:

    McSorley33:
    Lucic—Khaira (Spooner)—Rattie
    Caggiula—Brodziak—Kassian
    ***************************************************************************
    For those that caught it – the San Jose vs Winnipeg game was outstanding – the pace of
    play and the puck moving from D to forwards with speed was foreign to this Oiler fan.

    Sharks dominated play but Jets won.

    Then I glance at our bottom 6 forwards and I cannot help but realize how we are bringing
    a knife to a gun fight most nights.

    Again, to echo LT – we need draft picks and need those picks to yield fleet footed scoring wingers.

    Not wise to watch top tier teams playing. The execution at speed is what I notice most. Secondly is they have players who shoot and score from distance. It’s like man why can’t he play on our team.

  23. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pescador:
    Re: recent line combos
    Just for 1 game, I would like to see a top 6 of:

    Hall – McDavid – Grilled Cheese sandwich
    Nuge – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi

    Nuge-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Hall-Draisaitl-Eberle

  24. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I wish Zykov would get a chance, and in the top 6.
    *********************************************************************
    I would settle for *any* role over certain forwards.

    Valentin checks Oilers stats. Scrolls down. Way, way down.

    Carefully observes some of his teammates *skills* in practice.

    Texts Pontus Aberg – ” you were right”

    Decides probably better time spent going shopping than attending the next
    Edmonton OIler practice.

  25. McSorley33 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Nuge-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Hall-Draisaitl-Eberle
    DeBrincat-Barzal- Yamamoto

  26. PennersPancakes says:

    Does anyone think McLeod plays in the NHL next year? Ideally its not penciled in and is only earned on merit but his training camp this year was already quite impressive. If he continues to progress even slightly that would be a solid addition even if after half an AHL season. He already had NHL size and speed coming into this year so I dont believe its out of the question.

    Or is Marody a better option given his age and experience? Are they mutually exclusive? Screw it is there a chance of a kid line next year with Benson and Yamamoto pushing at the door? reading about the prospects got me excited for what appears to be recent Oilers drafting success.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Spooner-McDavid-Rattie
    Khaira-Nuge-Puljujarvi
    Caggiula-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Reider- Brodziak-Kassian

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Sekera
    Russell-Jones

    Koskinen
    Talbot

    Has a chance, and Talbot could turn into a scoring winger

    Coach talked yesterday about he always wants to keep two of the big three centers together as, in this league, teams need a “1-2 punch”.

    We may not agree but I don’t think we’ll see the 3-center set up any time soon.

    Then again, coach also talked about not being able to play forwards over 22 minutes if they penalty kill and then, of course, Drai’s deployment……..

  28. verite says:

    Fire Chiarelli today
    An abject incompetent
    No cares about prospects
    Chiarelli is an abject incompetent

  29. DeerMachine11 says:

    Hey Al, and anybody that is keen on the draft. Could we explain how Brett Leason is getting a first round buzz, He’s tearing the cover off the ball for sure, but if my math is right (big “if”), he’s been eligible since the Yamamoto draft in ‘17. It would appear he’s done bugger all until this season. Isn’t a 19-20 year old who’s in his third year supposed to be tearing up the league? I think back to Mitch Holmberg. Teams would be glad they didn’t spend a first on him.. I would love him as a signing or a depth pick after the top 100. But I worry that 6’4” 205lbs, and 2 ppg might be too much to resist. I just hope it isn’t Edmonton in what I’ve heard is a pretty deep draft. Merry Christmas all.

  30. PennersPancakes says:

    McSorley33: Texts Pontus Aberg – ” you were right”

    11G and 8A in 31 games.Would be tied with Chiasson for fourth in Oilers scoring.

  31. Lowetide says:

    DeerMachine11:
    Hey Al, and anybody that is keen on the draft. Could we explain how Brett Leason is getting a first round buzz, He’s tearing the cover off the ball for sure, but if my math is right (big “if”), he’s been eligible since the Yamamoto draft in ‘17. It would appear he’s done bugger all until this season. Isn’t a 19-20 year old who’s in his third year supposed to be tearing up the league? I think back to Mitch Holmberg. Teams would be glad they didn’t spend a first on him.. I would love him as a signing or a depth pick after the top 100. But I worry that 6’4” 205lbs, and 2 ppg might be too much to resist. I just hope it isn’t Edmonton in what I’ve heard is a pretty deep draft. Merry Christmas all.

    Size of the spike.

  32. drglen says:

    Anameim continues to mystify. Perhaps they actually are good. SJS , if they stay healthy should get in. I keep thinking they, like Anaheim, are ‘too old’.. but .. no.

    Vegas… is exactly the kind of team that beats edmonton. The kind you underestimate.

    Vancouver, .. you know Travis Green has them playing with passion. It’s goaltending that’s the key there. (maybe they’d trade for Cam T) … knock on wood though, Petterson gets injured, no chance. But Vanc has good D.

    Calgary will continue to win and will win the division. It’s no mirage. The depth, the D, and now the tending, is in place.

    So Oilers just have to beat division teams… have to get up for them like it’s game 5 of playoffs. They can do it if they ride Koskinen ( and get rid of illusions of a 2 goalie system) ,

    also play lucic as little as possible,

    please move on from spooner and Zykov and wideman, and move Garrison.

    Very interested in the new lines….. RNH back up top with JP and conner… but shoot the puck please.

    Did like khaira RNH and jesse, I suspect that will be a fall back line.

  33. Soup Fascist says:

    Has a chance, and Talbot could turn into a scoring winger

    Not sure he has the speed or puck handling ability.

  34. drglen says:

    I could see Yamo getting a recall here. I mean, further to the point, you keep messing around with Spooner and Zykov, even Rattie, … just treading water. I could see Yamo coming up and slotting in with Kyle and Zak. We’ll see what happen this game, but if we lose… it’s laundry day boys.

  35. elgruntus says:

    PennersPancakes: 11G and 8A in 31 games.Would be tied with Chiasson for fourth in Oilers scoring.

    The Edmonton Oilers…making decisions based on things other than hockey….since forever

  36. drglen says:

    PennersPancakes,

    Yes! I don’t follow junior like you guys do. ( hat’s off by the way) but we’ve kind of forgot about him because he’s not in bakersfield. I actually think he could help the team right now. Isn’t there a rule that a Junior player can come up once their team is eliminated?

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Re: Sekera (via Gregor via Chris the Intern):

    He reiterated how he’d really like to play some games in the AHL once he is cleared. Just to get a feel of the game again. I love this attitude. He is also very excited about how he feels overall. His knee is 100%. It is way more flexible than it was when he returned last year. Pivoting was a major problem, as the knee brace limited his range of motion. He doesn’t need a brace now and he said he feels so much better today coming back from the Achilles injury than he did returning from his knee injury last season.

  38. dustrock says:

    PennersPancakes: 11G and 8A in 31 games.Would be tied with Chiasson for fourth in Oilers scoring.

    People sure love to pile on the Aberg thing, but he slept in when he’s pushing for a spot on the team, hardly professional.

    And for every Chiasson you get right, you’re going to miss on an Aberg.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Does anyone think McLeod plays in the NHL next year? Ideally its not penciled in and is only earned on merit but his training camp this year was already quite impressive. If he continues to progress even slightly that would be a solid addition even if after half an AHL season. He already had NHL size and speed coming into this year so I dont believe its out of the question.

    Or is Marody a better option given his age and experience? Are they mutually exclusive? Screw it is there a chance of a kid line next year with Benson and Yamamoto pushing at the door? reading about the prospects got me excited for what appears to be recent Oilers drafting success.

    I think fans and management need to largely discount how good he looked in camp. As with most higher drafted prospects, they look very good in the first half of camp and then dwindle during the second half when the competition gets better.

    McLeod was no different – he had a great first half, hung on for a bit in to the second half better than most prospects and then faded down the stretch.

    In my opinion, performances by young highly drafted prospects in training camp provide next to no information on NHL readiness.

    McLeod started off the year in Mississauga quite well with offensive numbers over last year’s, however, his offence has dwindled since and he’s essentially producing as he was last year. He’s a primary player on the team but I don’t think he’s having the plus season vis-a-vis last year that we hoped for.

    He didn’t even earn an invite to the Canadian selection camp let alone make the team.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the prospect, his combination of speed and size could reck havoc at the NHL level if and when he gets there.

    I would caution against expecting him to play in the NHL in his first year pro.

    You mention Marody but there is also Benson who will have a year of pro over McLeod. Ryan should compete at camp for a spot but I would suggest he at least starts the year in the AHL and, if he needs the entire year in the AHL, well, that’s a reasonable expectation as well (as much as Oiler fans will likely sour on him because of it).

  40. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Re: Sekera (via Gregor via Chris the Intern):

    He reiterated how he’d really like to play some games in the AHL once he is cleared. Just to get a feel of the game again. I love this attitude. He is also very excited about how he feels overall. His knee is 100%. It is way more flexible than it was when he returned last year. Pivoting was a major problem, as the knee brace limited his range of motion. He doesn’t need a brace now and he said he feels so much better today coming back from the Achilles injury than he did returning from his knee injury last season.

    Yes, sensible. One gets the sense he’s being ‘handled’ better by some personal trainers probably. Maintainance and rest will be critical.

    My thoughts on Sekera seem to have changed ( probably because of recent injuries), but, just think if you could grab sekera on a trade to bolster the D corps, you probably would be glad for that, .. so here we have him.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen:
    I could see Yamo getting a recall here.I mean, further to the point, you keep messing around with Spooner and Zykov, even Rattie, … just treading water. I could see Yamo coming up and slotting in with Kyle and Zak. We’ll see what happen this game, but if we lose… it’s laundry day boys.

    Yamamoto just came back from missing 5 games with injury with yet another middling performance in his first game back.

    I would suggest that Oiler fans should forget about Yamamoto as an NHL option for the year.

    This was a 22nd overall draft pick and a very small player – 22nd overall draft picks often/generally take a few years to develop. Very small and highly skilled players often/generally/almost always take a few years to develop.

    Yamamoto needs the year at least in the AHL.

    Lets give the kid the privilege of proper development.

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen:
    PennersPancakes,

    Yes!I don’t follow junior like you guys do. ( hat’s off by the way) but we’ve kind of forgot about him because he’s not in bakersfield.I actually think he could help the team right now.Isn’t there a rule that a Junior player can come up once their team is eliminated?

    Once Mississauga’s season and playoffs are done, yes, he can be assigned to the AHL or NHL.

    A few things to note though:

    1) He’s not signed and will likely not sign until the 2019 calendar year

    2) If he signs in 2019 (and not 2018) his contract will not be eligible for slide and we are risking burning the first year of that ELC if he plays

    3) He is not having a plus season over last season and does not look to be NHL ready at all at this time (see my post above).

  43. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    ah… leave him be then.

  44. Bulging Twine says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Does anyone think McLeod plays in the NHL next year? Ideally its not penciled in and is only earned on merit but his training camp this year was already quite impressive. If he continues to progress even slightly that would be a solid addition even if after half an AHL season. He already had NHL size and speed coming into this year so I dont believe its out of the question.

    Or is Marody a better option given his age and experience? Are they mutually exclusive? Screw it is there a chance of a kid line next year with Benson and Yamamoto pushing at the door? reading about the prospects got me excited for what appears to be recent Oilers drafting success.

    I really liked McLeod’s camp too. Bob and Howson were saying on Oilers Now (they talked many non AHL prospects btw) that his year has been a little inconsistent.

    On training camp and preseason: I’ve learned after getting my hopes up too many times to not trust anything I see at camp and pre-season. Pre-season is a lie. It’s fools gold. Look at this thing shining so bright! Nope. Don’t believe it.

  45. stephen sheps says:

    SPAM ALERT!!!

    I’ll read the thread shortly. Just wanted to let y’all know that my annual music review is done and live for all to see.

    https://bringingbacktheglory.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-year-in-music-2018.html

    End Spam

  46. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    drglen,

    ANA has been real for about a month now.

    First 7 weeks of the season was all goaltending but they’re playing good hockey now.

    Unfortunately.

  47. Bulging Twine says:

    McSorley33,

    I watched a bunch of the Vegas NYI game, hoping for Vegas to lose.
    Vegas sure didn’t have the pace that they had last year, which was unreal.
    Eberle still has the shifty moves in tight areas with quick hands. He looks a little slower as things have sped up around him. He also made an egregious lazy error in his own zone leading to a goal in a tight game. His man was in the corner he did a swoop not even close to the guy and circled high allowing the guy a freeway to the net where they scored.

  48. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yamamoto just came back from missing 5 games with injury with yet another middling performance in his first game back.

    I would suggest that Oiler fans should forget about Yamamoto as an NHL option for the year.

    This was a 22nd overall draft pick and a very small player – 22nd overall draft picks often/generally take a few years to develop.Very small and highly skilled players often/generally/almost always take a few years to develop.

    Yamamoto needs the year at least in the AHL.

    Lets give the kid the privilege of proper development.

    Well, you’re not wrong.

    But Ken seems to be looking for someone on the third line that can maybe get a shot off, (hence Caggula at the moment) .. does not seem to trust Zykov or spooner .. ( or marody for that matter) .. and we keep talking about the waiver wire, sort of marginal cast of pickups, … that don’t seem to be able to cut it. So…

    There comes a time, … not yet’ garbage time, .. but last chance desperation push time… say we are middle to late January and 4 to 6 points out, .. I’d say that is the time to call guys up, not after it doesn’t matter.

    I think he is more NHL ready than most, he’s been there, knows the pace and intensity, the lack of space, .. be interesting to hear what Condors brass say… sure he could develop and actually physically mature there, but we already know he brings a certain quickness and ‘chaos’.. and it’s just a hunch really, .. but I could see him finding some empty spaces, first to puck, on that trio.

    So, part of the discussion, playoffs, farm, trade deadline, draft, .. is rolling the dice with ‘not quite ready’ farm assets- given that the waiver trade frontier is not producing tangible results.

    In the bigger picture though, if you really feel that small skilled players take longer to develop,… and if we don’t see Yamo as a Johnny Hockey type of talent.., or even Eberle. level honestly a case could be made for parting with the player as part of a deal for a different piece. I think we drafted the best we could to get him, A top 3 AHL player, .. not sure he becomes a top 6 NHL.

  49. Ari says:

    Pescador:
    Re: recent line combos
    Just for 1 game, I would like to see a top 6 of:

    Hall – McDavid – Grilled Cheese sandwich
    Nuge – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi

    LOL. Love it!

  50. BONE207 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Nuge-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Hall-Draisaitl-Eberle

    Stop it you guys. You’re making me cry…😭

  51. Durag says:

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman

    Verified account

    @DNBsports
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    Lines at Oilers practice:
    RNH – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian
    Caggiula – Spooner – Rattie
    Extras: Zykov, Khaira (suspension)

    Nurse – Larsson
    Gravel – Jones
    Garrison – Benning
    Extras: Wideman, Sekera (injured)

    _______________________________________________________________

    The Legion of Gloom is reunited and Caggiula goes to the 4th. I wonder if Zykov ever gets another shot?

    That Gravel – Jones pair is really looking like found money. What a godsend it would be if Sekera and Russell could come back.

  52. trencan says:

    I fully agree Kaliyev should be top target for Oilers in this draft. I didnt see him in any mock draft in top 10… He looks like a goalscorer and thats exactly what I consider as a top priority for us (Boldy and Podkolzin are also considered as top goalscorers in this draft). I also like Maxim Cajkovic for second round. Not best numbers this season but he needs time to adapt to NA life and game. I would be also OK with some puckmoving D (priority #2 IMO) like York, Knyazev… Depends on draft position. There are also some interesting goalies (priority #3, I still dont see #1G in our prospect pool) for higher rounds – Knight, Hunt, Maier, Ellis, Soogard. My G targets previous years were DiPietro and Skarek unfortunetally they were not drafted by Oilers.

  53. ArmchairGM says:

    As always, LT uses NHLE as a strong guiding light. Here is his list with NHLE’s from Dec 14:

    1 Jack Hughes 42.51
    2 Kaapo Kakko 25.66
    3 Dylan Cozens 34.35
    4 Kirby Dach 31.52
    5 Vasily Podkolzin 17.79
    6 Arthur Kaliyev 41.38
    7 Trevor Zegras 35.06
    8 Jakob Pelletier 34.56
    9 Peyton Krebs 28.89
    10 Ryan Suzuki 31.97
    11 Cole Caufield 25.68
    12 Bowen Byram 21.35
    13 Alex Turcotte 14.76
    14 Cam York 15.68
    15 Matthew Boldy 23.91
    16 Raphael Lavoie 24.89
    17 Thomas Harley 21.19
    18 Alex Newhook 30.84
    19 Matthew Robertson 16.80
    20 Philip Broberg 9.78

  54. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Durag:
    Daniel Nugent-Bowman

    Verified account

    @DNBsports1m1 minute ago
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    Lines at Oilers practice:
    RNH – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian
    Caggiula – Spooner – Rattie
    Extras: Zykov, Khaira (suspension)

    Nurse – Larsson
    Gravel – Jones
    Garrison – Benning
    Extras: Wideman, Sekera (injured)

    _______________________________________________________________

    The Legion of Gloom is reunited and Caggiula goes to the 4th. I wonder if Zykov ever gets another shot?

    That Gravel – Jones pair is really looking like found money. What a godsend it would be if Sekera and Russell could come back.

    DNB followed up stating that 91 is playing 4C and 23 is playing 4LW

  55. ArmchairGM says:

    I’m glad we grabbed a high-ceiling RHD in the 2018 draft rather than a winger, as they’re non-existant in this one.

  56. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: Size of the spike.

    I would be leery of drafting an overager who has spiked .. especially in the 1st round ..

    Each year in the WHL and OHL, 1 or 2 overagers will explode,

    Adam Brooks was all the hype. He had 120 pts vs. 62 pts the prior season. Toronto took him in the 4th round. He has been with the Marlies the last 2 years, and will most likely never play in the NHL.

    Not saying Leason won’t play in the NHL. What I am saying is that AGE Matters a lot when valuing a junior prospect. IMO I would not go near Leason until the later rounds, if at all.

    Steenbergen was another example. GAG in WHL. AZ picked him up late the following. Currently 3 Goals in the AHL this year.

  57. ArmchairGM says:

    “RC Brett Leason, Prince Albert (WHL). He’ll play for Canada at the WJ’s, and was eligible for the 2018 draft (HockeyProspect.com had him No. 208). Leason has a first-round buzz, would be considered a reach for No. 17 at this time.”

    He was eligible for the 2017 draft too – he’s a month older than Kirill Maksimov, who EDM drafted in the 5th round 2017. He’s been passed over twice…

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine: I really liked McLeod’s camp too.Bob and Howson were saying on Oilers Now (they talked many non AHL prospects btw) that his year has been a little inconsistent.

    On training camp and preseason:I’ve learned after getting my hopes up too many times to not trust anything I see at camp and pre-season.Pre-season is a lie.It’s fools gold.Look at this thing shining so bright!Nope.Don’t believe it.

    Agree 100% with your second paragraph – while camp and exhibition games are important for timing and finding proper lines and chemistry, etc., it’s become more and more clear than they are essentially meaningless as far as determining prospect readiness.

  59. ArmchairGM says:

    “Here are four more I like who didn’t make my top 20:”

    I’m surprised Nolan Foote didn’t make your “next-4” list. Where do you rank him?

    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/240385/nolan-foote

  60. trencan says:

    ArmchairGM:
    I’m glad we grabbed a high-ceiling RHD in the 2018 draft rather than a winger, as they’re non-existant in this one.

    I agree, it was good choice. I prefered Boqvist over Bouchard but Hawks were faster… But maybe this year there is one – Anntoni Honka….

  61. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer:
    Well at least we’re keeping the Nuge – Puljujarvi mentorship going

    Yeah, they’ll make something of that McDavid kid yet!

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: DNB followed up stating that 91 is playing 4C and 23 is playing 4LW

    I imagine we’ll see McDavid and Drai and maybe Nuge as 4C more often than not.

    I hope so at least. Caggiula has already failed as a center (as a rookie but his deficiencies are in areas where centres must excell).

  63. dustrock says:

    McLeod had a phenomenal camp no doubt, but come on guys, his scoring in junior just isn’t that great.

    He certainly has the skill package you want in today’s game and the impressive training camp certainly made him stand out, but I can’t get over his lack of scoring. 34 points in 29 games is right around where he was at last year.

    I still think he has some long-term potential, but isn’t a guy like Benson more likely to make the team next year?

    McLeod is probably 2 AHL seasons away from making the club.

  64. dustrock says:

    stephen sheps:
    SPAM ALERT!!!

    I’ll read the thread shortly. Just wanted to let y’all know that my annual music review is done and live for all to see.

    https://bringingbacktheglory.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-year-in-music-2018.html

    End Spam

    Thanks Sheps a fun read as always.

    I’ve seen Idles on a lot of top 5 lists but it didn’t really grab me when I listened to it. I’ll have to check it out again.

    Beach House is probably my album of the year. I felt while there’s a great bunch of songs I liked this year, there weren’t too many incredible albums as a whole.

    The Voidz was fantastic though. A little long, but some incredible songs in there, some of Julian’s catchiest melodies ever mixed with incredibly weird and atonal stuff.

    Mitski’s album is fantastic as well.

    My top 5 albums would probably be:

    Beach House
    The Voidz
    Mitski
    Young Fathers
    Lord Huron

    And special shout out to Weird Al for the incredible Hamilton Polka.

  65. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I love the new top 6.

    In 150 minutes, Chiasson and Drai without McDavid have an 83% goal share (5-1) and positive posession numbers.When they are with McDavid, the goal share drops to 65% and the posession turns negative.

    Drai and Chiasson together with McDavid has been awesome and Rieder should be a great fit there.

    We know McDavid and Nuge will produce and Jesse on the RW to be the bull he has been recently could work great – Jesse has solid numbers with McDavid in the past and I think he’s shown to improve McDavid’s numbers – middling sample size.

    Yup, should be good. McDavid with Nugent-Hopkins this year have some track at 5v5:

    242:25 TOI – vitually all under McLellan
    2.23 GF/60
    1.24 GA/60
    64.29 GF%
    54.49 CF%
    57.64 FF%
    58.49 SF%

    Puljujarvi has had zero playing time with McDavid at 5v5 this year, but did just fine last year:

    256:57 TOI – not exactly a “middling” sample size
    3.04 GF/60 (2.64 with Lucic, 4.03 with all other LW)
    1.87 GA/60
    61.90 GF%
    54.61 CF%
    55.79 FF%
    53.35 SF%

    Here’s the McDavid-RNH numbers for 2017-18:

    207:06 TOI – less time than JP above
    4.93 GF/60
    2.61 GA/60
    65.38 GF%
    49.39 CF%
    49.24 FF%
    48.66 SF%

    The proposed RNH – McDavid – Puljujarvi line has never been tried before. I think they got 3 shifts together in a 5-0 loss to the Kings last year (Jan 2, 2018), but that’s the most in any single game.

  66. pts2pndr says:

    drglen:
    I could see Yamo getting a recall here.I mean, further to the point, you keep messing around with Spooner and Zykov, even Rattie, … just treading water. I could see Yamo coming up and slotting in with Kyle and Zak. We’ll see what happen this game, but if we lose… it’s laundry day boys.

    Why would you bring Yamamoto whi is struggling in the AHL up to get limited minutes in the NHL? I can not think of one rational argument to support this kind of move. It doesn’t help the team and hurts Yamamoto’s development!

  67. ArmchairGM says:

    McSorley33: Agreed. I keep saying – numbers aside – the chemistry with Drai and Chiasson is real.

    And also, IMO, between Rieder and Drai.

    This should be good.

  68. Pescador says:

    ArmchairGM:
    I’m glad we grabbed a high-ceiling RHD in the 2018 draft rather than a winger, as they’re non-existant in this one.

    I believe McLeod has a higher ceiling than Benson,
    I’m aware he is a center, but it make sense for McLeod to start his NHL career as a winger based on the current roster.
    2018 was a good to great draft as we may have grabbed both.

  69. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Nuge-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Hall-Draisaitl-Eberle

    Where does Barzal play?

  70. Pescador says:

    dustrock:
    McLeod had a phenomenal camp no doubt, but come on guys, his scoring in junior just isn’t that great.

    He certainly has the skill package you want in today’s game and the impressive training camp certainly made him stand out, but I can’t get over his lack of scoring.34 points in 29 games is right around where he was at last year.

    I still think he has some long-term potential, but isn’t a guy like Benson more likely to make the team next year?

    McLeod is probably 2 AHL seasons away from making the club.

    I would agree with this,
    Hopefully McLeod’s current lack of scoring is due to linemates or teammates

  71. pts2pndr says:

    dustrock: People sure love to pile on the Aberg thing, but he slept in when he’s pushing for a spot on the team, hardly professional.

    And for every Chiasson you get right, you’re going to miss on an Aberg.

    McLellan put him in the dog house and left him there as an example to others. Bullying tactic! Not leadership! Wrong in too many ways to count and resulted in an asset lost.

  72. --hudson-- says:

    Glad to see the Oilers website is finally posting transcripts of the media availabilities. Makes it easier to search for quotes, add them for discussion, and easier for people at work who can’t watch video. https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-puljujarvi-joins-mcdavid-nugent-hopkins-on-first-line/c-303126106

    No need to ever transcribe the captioning if they keep this up. However I hope they continue to post the availabilities to youtube because that video player is superior to the one on nhl.com (no ability to speed up the video, no touch controls, etc.). The Oilers have one of the best youtube channels in the NHL and it would be a shame to lose it. They have interviews and post-games going back to the days of captain Horcoff.

    Hoping somebody from the Oilers web team reads through this comment.

  73. Pescador says:

    ArmchairGM: Where does Barzal play?

    Islanders

  74. ArmchairGM says:

    DeerMachine11:
    Hey Al, and anybody that is keen on the draft. Could we explain how Brett Leason is getting a first round buzz, He’s tearing the cover off the ball for sure, but if my math is right (big “if”), he’s been eligible since the Yamamoto draft in ‘17. It would appear he’s done bugger all until this season. Isn’t a 19-20 year old who’s in his third year supposed to be tearing up the league? I think back to Mitch Holmberg. Teams would be glad they didn’t spend a first on him.. I would love him as a signing or a depth pick after the top 100. But I worry that 6’4” 205lbs, and 2 ppg might be too much to resist. I just hope it isn’t Edmonton in what I’ve heard is a pretty deep draft. Merry Christmas all.

    Absolutely agree. You don’t pick a guy like this until the 4th round at the earliest… the Oilers have two 3rd round picks, so maybe it’s worth a shot.

  75. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yamamoto just came back from missing 5 games with injury with yet another middling performance in his first game back.

    I would suggest that Oiler fans should forget about Yamamoto as an NHL option for the year.

    This was a 22nd overall draft pick and a very small player – 22nd overall draft picks often/generally take a few years to develop.Very small and highly skilled players often/generally/almost always take a few years to develop.

    Yamamoto needs the year at least in the AHL.

    Lets give the kid the privilege of proper development.

    Unless he gets stronger,and quicker, Yamo may never be able to make the jump to the NHL playing against men so much bigger than him. Maybe he needs to train with Johnny Hockey next summer.

  76. dustrock says:

    pts2pndr: McLellan put him in the dog house and left him there as an example to others. Bullying tactic! Not leadership! Wrong in too many ways to count and resulted in an asset lost.

    If you believe that culture is a thing, and comments like Ference about trying to change the culture of the team, why wouldn’t there be consequences for Aberg missing practice?

    Anyway the problem with this roster would not be solved by Aberg. We have many crappy bottom 6 players and bottom pairing d men.

    We need more top line talent on wing and D.

  77. digger50 says:

    drglen: Well, you’re not wrong.

    But Ken seems to be looking for someone on the third line that can maybe get a shot off, (hence Caggula at the moment) .. does not seem to trust Zykov or spooner .. ( or marody for that matter) .. and we keep talking about the waiver wire, sort of marginal cast of pickups, … that don’t seem to be able to cut it. So…

    There comes a time, … not yet’ garbage time, .. but last chance desperation push time… say we are middle to late January and 4 to 6 points out, .. I’d say that is the time to call guys up, not after it doesn’t matter.

    I think he is more NHL ready than most, he’s been there, knows the pace and intensity, the lack of space,.. be interesting to hear what Condors brass say… sure he could develop and actually physically mature there, but we already know he brings a certain quickness and ‘chaos’.. and it’s just a hunch really, .. but I could see him finding some empty spaces, first to puck, on that trio.

    So, part of the discussion, playoffs, farm, trade deadline, draft, .. is rolling the dice with ‘not quite ready’ farm assets- given that the waiver trade frontier is not producing tangible results.

    In the bigger picture though, if you really feel that small skilled players take longer to develop,… and if we don’t see Yamo as a Johnny Hockey type of talent.., or even Eberle. levelhonestly a case could be made for parting with the player as part of a deal for a different piece.I think we drafted the best we could to get him, A top 3 AHL player, .. not sure he becomes a top 6 NHL.

    The Hitchcock effect.

    Coach may not give him much of a look as Kailer doesn’t fit the grind game very well.

    However, Hitch will like his fore-check, and how he creates turnovers. If he does take a liking to him he can push his development. Timing is not really great right now as Hitch already has his hands full.

  78. Oilman99 says:

    Pescador: I believe McLeod has a higher ceiling than Benson,
    I’m aware he is a center, but it make sense for McLeod to start his NHL career as a winger based on the current roster.
    2018 was a good to great draft as we may have grabbed both.

    If he can improve his skating a bit, Benson will have a higher upside due to his hockey smarts,something you cant teach.

  79. dustrock says:

    Oilman99: Unless he gets stronger,and quicker, Yamo may never be able to make the jump to the NHL playing against men so much bigger than him. Maybe he needs to train with Johnny Hockey next summer.

    Yeah. He doesn’t need to be the fastest guy in the league, but he needs to find a way to make space for himself.

    He’s a very smart player but he’s no Gaudreau. Can he be Tyler Johnson?

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not sure if it was mentioned but Larsson was back skating today.

  81. stephen sheps says:

    dustrock: Thanks Sheps a fun read as always.

    I’ve seen Idles on a lot of top 5 lists but it didn’t really grab me when I listened to it.I’ll have to check it out again.

    Beach House is probably my album of the year. I felt while there’s a great bunch of songs I liked this year, there weren’t too many incredible albums as a whole.

    The Voidz was fantastic though.A little long, but some incredible songs in there, some of Julian’s catchiest melodies ever mixed with incredibly weird and atonal stuff.

    Mitski’s album is fantastic as well.

    My top 5 albums would probably be:

    Beach House
    The Voidz
    Mitski
    Young Fathers
    Lord Huron

    And special shout out to Weird Al for the incredible Hamilton Polka.

    I know what you mean about this year having a bunch of great songs but not as many incredible, complete albums as in years past.

    Glad to see someone else appreciated the weirdness that was the Voidz. Given that the Strokes are plotting a ‘global return’ next year, I wonder what, if any of Julians more experimental tendencies will find their way into any potential new material.

    Young Fathers? Don’t know them. Will have to check it out.

    I really tried to like that Lord Huron record, but like you with Idles, it just never grabbed me. Maybe I’ll give it another chance.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Solid article by DNB at The Athletic on Woodcroft.

    I think he’s ridden enough buses now……

  83. ArmchairGM says:

    Pescador: Islanders

    Unfortunately.

  84. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock: consequences for Aberg missing practice?

    You think consequences should roll over from year to year?

  85. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Solid article by DNB at The Athletic on Woodcroft.

    I think he’s ridden enough buses now……

    And they’re 4th in their division with games on hand.

    I think godot’s head may explode…

  86. drglen says:

    BONE207: Stop it you guys. You’re making me cry…

    lol

  87. drglen says:

    pts2pndr: Why would you bring Yamamoto whi is struggling in the AHL up to get limited minutes in the NHL? I can not think of one rational argument to support this kind of move. It doesn’t help the team and hurts Yamamoto’s development!

    all right already… thing is, we already know how he can play, struggling at moment in AHL, meh, we know what we have here. Call ups can surprise …. (‘they called up who”)?) I’ll let it go, but… if we lose two games in a row here and Yamo gets the call up… somebody on here owes me a latte, with cinammon. The reason is, he’s quick, creates chaos, and I’m suggesting an intuitive chemistry on the third line.

  88. drglen says:

    digger50,

    ya.. now not a good time…. but when we start taking water, guys are tossed overboard… maybe Yam gets a call , … as a positive catalyst. Earned or not, .. Hitch seems to be somebody who goes on intuition at times. Let us see.

  89. digger50 says:

    dustrock: If you believe that culture is a thing, and comments like Ference about trying to change the culture of the team, why wouldn’t there be consequences for Aberg missing practice?

    Anyway the problem with this roster would not be solved by Aberg.We have many crappy bottom 6 players and bottom pairing d men.

    We need more top line talent on wing and D.

    Culture is a thing, and that environment is led by the coach. It was my impression that with Aberg the die was cast after that incident with no second chance coming, even after an entire summer. It looks like poor coaching but I admit we really don’t have the inside story.

    Aberg is playing tp line and 1PP on ducks. He has skill, and had skill when with the Oilers. Either he held it back, or the Oilers failed to foster that skill.

    The thing to note here is that Oilers and fans always want the top line guy, the difference maker or they cant be bothered. The way to improving your team is incrementally, slow but steady at every position. You cant just wait for the next draft and cross fingers on the next first rounder.

    If Aberg was better than Cagguila then great, if Kharia is better than Aberg, great. I agree that Pontus would not solve everything but he doesn’t have to, he just has to make the team a little better.
    Keep improving; all those guys who don’t seem to impact the game – they do when you add them up! .

    We are still losing with Connor off the ice.

  90. digger50 says:

    drglen:
    digger50,

    ya.. now now a good time…. but when we start taking water, guys are tossed overboard… maybe Yam gets a call , … as a positive catalyst.Earned or not, .. Hitch seems to be somebody who goes on intuition at times.Let us see.

    I agree Hitch is going to look at everything he’s got available.

  91. jtblack says:

    LUCIC UPDATE.

    Last 26 games:

    0 G 3 A

  92. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    digger50,

    Aberg is playing tp line and 1PP on ducks. He has skill, and had skill when with the Oilers. Either he held it back, or the Oilers failed to foster that skill.

    Despite not playing top line in EDM he scored 1.98 pts./60 5v5 which is almost 1st line quality and scored 0.5pts/gm with no PP time.

    His results here were good.

  93. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage expressed at points over/under fake Bettman .500 because Mustard Tiger and N64 are nits.

    Central
    WPG13
    NSH10
    COL9

    Pacific
    CGY11
    SJS7
    ANA6

    Wildcard
    VGK5
    EDM4
    —————
    Out of playoffs
    DAL2
    MIN2
    VAN0
    STL-3
    ARI-4
    CHI-7
    LAK-8

    Good night for EDM as all of SJS, ANA, DAL and MIN lost in regulation.VGK won so they take the wildcard lead.

    VAN is creeping up to the wildcard race as they are 6-1-1- in their last 8.

    Pacific and DAL/MIN games tonight: None.

    Thank you for posting this. Since Oilers lost the last few games am unable to look at the standings. Same old, same old. Woodguy’s Western Conference Playoff Standings rule.

    Incredible and heartening to see Oilers clinging to playoff position.

  94. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909,

    Merry Christmas Hunter

  95. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    digger50,

    Aberg is playing tp line and 1PP on ducks. He has skill, and had skill when with the Oilers. Either he held it back, or the Oilers failed to foster that skill.

    Despite not playing top line in EDM he scored 1.98 pts./60 5v5 which is almost 1st line quality and scored 0.5pts/gm with no PP time.

    His results here were good.

    He did largely play with Draisaitl and averaged just over a minute of PP time/game (not that PP2 can do diddly).

    Not overly mad because the sample size was so small, but strange that Caggiula was essentially guaranteed a spot over him with no real reasoning behind it. Also signing Garrison to hold a spot on the 23 man instead of him.

    Maybe they don’t sign Chiasson if they planned on keeping Aberg. Not going to lose sleep over it, they do much worse moves every 6 months

  96. Pescador says:

    Durag:
    Daniel Nugent-Bowman

    Verified account

    @DNBsports1m1 minute ago
    More
    Lines at Oilers practice:
    RNH – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian
    Caggiula – Spooner – Rattie
    Extras: Zykov, Khaira (suspension)

    Nurse – Larsson
    Gravel – Jones
    Garrison – Benning
    Extras: Wideman, Sekera (injured)

    _______________________________________________________________

    The Legion of Gloom is reunited and Caggiula goes to the 4th. I wonder if Zykov ever gets another shot?

    That Gravel – Jones pair is really looking like found money. What a godsend it would be if Sekera and Russell could come back.

    Russell will return possibly tomorrow, mid January at the earliest for Sek. Feb 1 for Oscar.
    I think I would prefer Belov or Gilbert instead of Garrison right now,
    Anyone heard from Grebeshkov lately

  97. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Benson is suddenly 5th in Bakersfield scoring, no points in his last 6.

    Gambardella leading the team, though he is 25.

    If the oilers tank a bit, I wonder if they’ll see what they have in Gambardella/Marody/Zykov instead of Lucic/Kassian/Rattie

  98. jtblack says:

    I think Lucic should wear a Bandit mask when he plays.

    *ducks*

  99. jtblack says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Benson is suddenly 5th in Bakersfield scoring, no points in his last 6.

    Gambardella leading the team, though he is 25.

    If the oilers tank a bit, I wonder if they’ll see what they have in Gambardella/Marody/Zykov instead of Lucic/Kassian/Rattie

    IMO Benson is 2 years away … next year in the AHL with a little cup of coffee in NHL. Then hopefully he’s ready for full time NHL Duty in 2021 ….

  100. Ivan says:

    stephen sheps,

    Look forward to this list every year!

  101. Pescador says:

    jtblack:
    I think Lucic should wear a Bandit mask when he plays.

    *ducks*

    Skating away with a money sack (dollar sign on it) seems appropriate.
    Bright side is he’d be easy to catch

  102. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    hunter1909,

    Merry Christmas Hunter

    Merry Christmas Woodguy

  103. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: He did largely play with Draisaitl and averaged just over a minute of PP time/game (not that PP2 can do diddly).

    Not overly mad because the sample size was so small, but strange that Caggiula was essentially guaranteed a spot over him with no real reasoning behind it. Also signing Garrison to hold a spot on the 23 man instead of him.

    Maybe they don’t sign Chiasson if they planned on keeping Aberg. Not going to lose sleep over it, they do much worse moves every 6 months

    I totally whiffed that he played PP. 1pts in 17:40min on PP2.

    Thanks for that.

    Scored 5 pts in 95 min w/ Caggiula
    5 in 80 with 29
    1 in 75 min with 93

    He played with both 91 and 29 for 61 minutes

  104. v4ance says:

    Looking at the cap for next year, we’re still in bad shape. We’ve already committed $70 million of the projected $83 million cap

    If we assume we sign a starter and a backp goalie for ~$5 million, there’ll be 8 million remaining.

    With that $8 million, Jesse Puljujarvi, Tobias Reider, Jujhar Khaira and Ty Rattie are all RFAs needing new contracts and probable raises. Plus we might look at re-signing Chiasson, and Gravel who are UFAs. If Jesse only takes $2.5 million, Reider only goes from $2 to $2.5 million and Khaira gets only $1.5 million, that’d only leave $1.5 million to replace 3 roster players.

    Spooner, Kassian, Caggiula and Brodziak all have deals (~$7.6 million combined) that take them to the end of 2020 but they should be looked as targets to deal away for draft picks or prospects to clear cap room. The dream scenario would actually be to trade Lucic and/or Russell and their overpriced cap hits but their NMCs/NTCs make them extremely difficult to dispatch.

  105. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    dustrock: People sure love to pile on the Aberg thing, but he slept in when he’s pushing for a spot on the team, hardly professional.

    And for every Chiasson you get right, you’re going to miss on an Aberg.

    People make mistakes

  106. oilersfan says:

    Woodguy, can you remind us what were JP’s points and Corsi per 60 with
    Mcdavid compared to other players who play with mcdavid, thanks so much

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    oilersfan:
    Woodguy, can you remind us what were JP’s points and Corsi per 60 with
    Mcdavid compared to other players who play with mcdavid, thanks so much

    Can’t do a comparison right now, but over the last 3 seasons:

    JP with 97

    367min
    6g, 7a
    2.12 pts/60

    i expect much more from him now, but I don’t think he’ll get a long look right now.

  108. jtblack says:

    Pescador: Skating away with a money sack (dollar sign on it) seems appropriate.
    Bright side is he’d be easy to catch

    LMAO

  109. godot10 says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Does anyone think McLeod plays in the NHL next year? Ideally its not penciled in and is only earned on merit but his training camp this year was already quite impressive. If he continues to progress even slightly that would be a solid addition even if after half an AHL season. He already had NHL size and speed coming into this year so I dont believe its out of the question.

    Or is Marody a better option given his age and experience? Are they mutually exclusive? Screw it is there a chance of a kid line next year with Benson and Yamamoto pushing at the door? reading about the prospects got me excited for what appears to be recent Oilers drafting success.

    For McLeod to reach his offensive potential, he needs time in the AHL…probably one full year and a bit.

    Players light on offense need AHL time. Without it you basically ruin the prospect.

  110. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    why not a long look right now?

    IMO if he scores, he stays with 97 the rest of the season.

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Oilman99: Unless he gets stronger,and quicker, Yamo may never be able to make the jump to the NHL playing against men so much bigger than him. Maybe he needs to train with Johnny Hockey next summer.

    To me smaller players need the right combination of tools. Guys the size of Hockey and Yama will never be strong enough for that to work, although they need to be as strong as possible. Yama has pipes on him now from what I saw in the combine.

    Skating is the main factor. They need to win battles with quickness and positioning and their hockey smarts. Yama is supposed to have been a top skater in his draft. I don’t know if he has top end speed, but he has to have great edges and elusiveness or he’ll not hit his potential.

    He also needs to develop a deceptive shot. He or Hockey aren’t going to have the leverage or strength to shoot like bigger players, but deception and timing work for the nasty Flame guy and homunculans.

  112. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    why not a long look right now?

    IMO if he scores, he stays with 97 the rest of the season.

    I think Hitch puts him back with Khaira when he gets back.

    Just a guess.

  113. godot10 says:

    Side: And they’re 4th in their division with games on hand.

    I think godot’s head may explode…

    All I said was that it was a high risk choice to select someone with no previous head coaching experience.

    Why would my head explode?

  114. Glovjuice says:

    verite:
    Fire Chiarelli today
    An abject incompetent
    No cares about prospects
    Chiarelli is an abject incompetent

    We’ll, sir, I concur

  115. digger50 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    digger50,

    Aberg is playing tp line and 1PP on ducks. He has skill, and had skill when with the Oilers. Either he held it back, or the Oilers failed to foster that skill.

    Despite not playing top line in EDM he scored 1.98 pts./60 5v5 which is almost 1st line quality and scored 0.5pts/gm with no PP time.

    His results here were good.

    Splitting hairs here but I would say then that his numbers were good, and yet the result was that he was put on waivers, and lost to Ducks.

    In my opinion It’s not really about Aberg in particular, it’s about the continuing loss of talent or opportunity despite it happening in big trades or minor bleeding.

  116. Glovjuice says:

    drglen:
    I could see Yamo getting a recall here.I mean, further to the point, you keep messing around with Spooner and Zykov, even Rattie, … just treading water. I could see Yamo coming up and slotting in with Kyle and Zak. We’ll see what happen this game, but if we lose… it’s laundry day boys.

    spooner – LOL

  117. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think Hitch puts him back with Khaira when he gets back.

    Just a guess.

    If he is not ready…

    Alternatively he might seize the opportunity

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    We are still losing with Connor off the ice.

    Not since the coaching change:

    As per WG:

    HITCHCOCK ERA:
    Oiler Goal Share after 15 games (9-4-2)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 15-9 (63%)
    McDavid Off Ice 17-15 (53%)
    Net EV +8

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    LUCIC UPDATE.

    Last 26 games:

    0 G 3 A

    Wait, Lucic hasn’t been producing?

    This is brand new information…..

    Joking…

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    digger50,

    Aberg is playing tp line and 1PP on ducks. He has skill, and had skill when with the Oilers. Either he held it back, or the Oilers failed to foster that skill.

    Despite not playing top line in EDM he scored 1.98 pts./60 5v5 which is almost 1st line quality and scored 0.5pts/gm with no PP time.

    His results here were good.

    If I remember correctly, the essentially all his points came in a 3 game heater, 5P in 3 games or something like that?

    With that said, he did produce overall in his time at that rate, whether it was on a heater or consistent production.

    I was adamant that Aberg should be reclaimed when he was waived by ANA – At the very least, at that point, he could be sent to the AHL and would be a fantastic call-up option when injuries hit – not necessarily to produce at top line (or even top 6) rates but to keep guys like Marody and Russell in the American league – if nothing else, he would have been an actual NHL player in the American league which good and deep teams have.

    ANA’s gain.

  121. Glovjuice says:

    stephen sheps:
    SPAM ALERT!!!

    I’ll read the thread shortly. Just wanted to let y’all know that my annual music review is done and live for all to see.

    https://bringingbacktheglory.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-year-in-music-2018.html

    End Spam

    Great stuff. Agreed. Radiohead is stunning live. I’ve seen literally a few hundred “rock” shows and their 2003 Thunderbird Stadium show was for sure top five of all time for me. Agreed on a beach House – awesome summer album. Ice age killer also. Check out self titled Blackwater Holylight as well. Hate the new Parquet Courts though – awful production and I like the black keys album produced by sir danger mouse. Some bands need to be raw.

  122. Glovjuice says:

    Oilman99: Unless he gets stronger,and quicker, Yamo may never be able to make the jump to the NHL playing against men so much bigger than him. Maybe he needs to train with Johnny Hockey next summer.

    Very risky pick and no need to do it. Lots was still available

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid: He did largely play with Draisaitl and averaged just over a minute of PP time/game (not that PP2 can do diddly).

    Not overly mad because the sample size was so small, but strange that Caggiula was essentially guaranteed a spot over him with no real reasoning behind it. Also signing Garrison to hold a spot on the 23 man instead of him.

    Maybe they don’t sign Chiasson if they planned on keeping Aberg. Not going to lose sleep over it, they do much worse moves every 6 months

    The 23 man roster is really a non-factor – they had the option to re-claim Aberg and place him in the AHL for injury cover – seemed like a no-brainer at the time.

  124. Pescador says:

    Glovjuice: spooner – LOL

    Strome – HAHAHAHAHA

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Russell will return possibly tomorrow, mid January at the earliest for Sek. Feb 1 for Oscar.
    I think I would prefer Belov or Gilbert instead of Garrison right now,
    Anyone heard from Grebeshkov lately

    Russell will not play until the 27th at the earliest, as per Hitchcock yesterday (and it didn’t sound promising for that game).

    I’m still boggled that Garrison is getting playing time over Wideman right now. Not that Wideman is the “be all and end all”, however, he has hardly got a chance to settle in here and Garrison is just so, well, not good.

    It must be leftie-rightie reasoned but Jones could move back to his natural left side and Garrison can sit (although that would leave to a split of Gravel-Jones).

  126. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: If he is not ready…

    Alternatively he might seize the opportunity

    I’m crossing fingers and toes

  127. Pescador says:

    Glovjuice: Very risky pick and no need to do it. Lots was still available

    Such as?
    The picks taken after say between 23-33, how are they fairing?
    How many NHL/AHL games?
    & their numbers please…

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Benson is suddenly 5th in Bakersfield scoring, no points in his last 6.

    Gambardella leading the team, though he is 25.

    If the oilers tank a bit, I wonder if they’ll see what they have in Gambardella/Marody/Zykov instead of Lucic/Kassian/Rattie

    The Oilers should see what they have in Zykov well before then, like, now – shouldn’t they?

    Hitchcock sung the praises of the type of player he is and the attributes he brings that the team needs – the then plays him, what, 2 games? Both in the bottom six with 2-3 shifts per period.

    I think both Spooner and Zykov need a legit shot here before they are fired in to the sun – some real time in the top 6 if the new lines falter or when they get stale. They are offensive players and should be given a chance to contribute offensively, shouldn’t they?

    Spooner has a long history of top 6 production in the NHL – maybe he gels with 93, 97 or 29?

    Zykov has scored goals at ever level but the NHL but hasn’t had much of a shot at the NHL level – he has a good shot and he goes to the net and can work the boards. Ya, he isn’t fleet of foot but nor was Maroon and he succeeded – fast boots is not a prerequisite for NHL success.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    v4ance:
    Looking at the cap for next year, we’re still in bad shape.We’ve already committed $70 million of the projected $83 million cap

    If we assume we sign a starter and a backp goalie for ~$5 million, there’ll be 8 million remaining.

    With that $8 million, Jesse Puljujarvi, Tobias Reider, Jujhar Khaira and Ty Rattie are all RFAs needing new contracts and probable raises.Plus we might look at re-signing Chiasson, and Gravel who are UFAs.If Jesse only takes $2.5 million, Reider only goes from $2 to $2.5 million and Khaira gets only $1.5 million, that’d only leave $1.5 million to replace 3 roster players.

    Except for Khaira (and only if he continues to play how he has been), those numbers, to me, represent that smallish overpays that many on this forum complain about with respect to guys like Caggiula, Benning, Kassian, etc.

    At this point what has Puljujarvi does to warrant a $2.5M contract except get drafted in the top 5? He’s been in the AHL this year, he has very middling production and scoring rates. I am hopeful he has a big second half but, at current performance, $1.5M tops.

    Ty Rattie has not produced to deserve a raise.

    I like me some Tobias Rieder but his performance to date essentially merits a QO which would be at his current base of $2M. Maybe he gets a 10% raise (not required in his QO).

  130. Glovjuice says:

    jtblack:
    LUCIC UPDATE.

    Last 26 games:

    0 G 3 A

    He should be so embarrassed – I actually feel bad for him 6 large notwithstanding

  131. Pescador says:

    Glovjuice: We’ll, sir, I concur

    verite:
    Fire Chiarelli today
    An abject incompetent
    No cares about prospects
    Chiarelli is an abject incompetent

    Peas in a pod

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    When Gaudreau was Yamamoto’s age, and also in his draft plus two season, he was playing for Boston College, not in the NHL.

    When Tyler Johnson was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing an over-age season in the WHL as a non-drafted amateur and then played two full seasons in the AHL (NHL cup of coffee in his second season).

    When Martin St. Louis was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing in Vermont and almost 5 years away from the NHL.

    Yamamoto may need to get stronger, he may need to figure out how to succeed at the pro level – essentially, he will need to develop, just like the vast majority of high talent smaller players.

    The fact that he can already be a “pain in the ass” at the NHL level – knocking pucks down, causing turnovers, etc. and is a serviceable penalty killer puts him beyond reasonable expectations for him.

    Players take time to develop, the vast majority of them – this does and should include guys like Yamamoto, Bouchard, McLeod, Bear, etc.

  133. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Pescador:
    Peas in a pod

    Was thinking pretty much the same thing. Pups in a litter.

  134. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    When Gaudreau was Yamamoto’s age, and also in his draft plus two season, he was playing for Boston College, not in the NHL.

    When Tyler Johnson was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing an over-age season in the WHL as a non-drafted amateur and then played two full seasons in the AHL (NHL cup of coffee in his second season).

    When Martin St. Louis was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing in Vermont and almost 5 years away from the NHL.

    Yamamoto may need to get stronger, he may need to figure out how to succeed at the pro level – essentially, he will need to develop, just like the vast majority of high talent smaller players.

    The fact that he can already be a “pain in the ass” at the NHL level – knocking pucks down, causing turnovers, etc. and is a serviceable penalty killer puts him beyond reasonable expectations for him.

    Players take time to develop, the vast majority of them – this does and should include guys like Yamamoto, Bouchard, McLeod, Bear, etc.

    Very reassuring … thank you for that.

  135. v4ance says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m assuming the usual Chiarelli overpays… because he hasn’t shown much in the way of getting better at bargaining.

  136. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    When Gaudreau was Yamamoto’s age, and also in his draft plus two season, he was playing for Boston College, not in the NHL.

    When Tyler Johnson was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing an over-age season in the WHL as a non-drafted amateur and then played two full seasons in the AHL (NHL cup of coffee in his second season).

    When Martin St. Louis was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing in Vermont and almost 5 years away from the NHL.

    Yamamoto may need to get stronger, he may need to figure out how to succeed at the pro level – essentially, he will need to develop, just like the vast majority of high talent smaller players.

    The fact that he can already be a “pain in the ass” at the NHL level – knocking pucks down, causing turnovers, etc. and is a serviceable penalty killer puts him beyond reasonable expectations for him.

    Players take time to develop, the vast majority of them – this does and should include guys like Yamamoto, Bouchard, McLeod, Bear, etc.

    It won’t happen. yamos outside speed is Yak level. Those other guys can ALL separate.

  137. Glovjuice says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Was thinking pretty much the same thing. Pups in a litter.

    Our points aren’t totally ridiculous though- what we say has at least some merit that some here agree with.

  138. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Except for Khaira (and only if he continues to play how he has been), those numbers, to me, represent that smallish overpays that many on this forum complain about with respect to guys like Caggiula, Benning, Kassian, etc.

    At this point what has Puljujarvi does to warrant a $2.5M contract except get drafted in the top 5? He’s been in the AHL this year, he has very middling production and scoring rates.I am hopeful he has a big second half but, at current performance, $1.5M tops.

    Ty Rattie has not produced to deserve a raise.

    I like me some Tobias Rieder but his performance to date essentially merits a QO which would be at his current base of $2M. Maybe he gets a 10% raise (not required in his QO).

    At this moment Puljujarvi is on pace to score 12 points this season. That’s league minimum salary. (FYI I love JP and believe he’ll be a star in this league for many years).

    Khaira is on pace to score 5 goals / 32 points. I’d try a Jarnkrok-type contract.
    Chiasson is on pace for 39 goals / 49 points. He could get a significant raise.
    Rieder is on pace to score 0 goals / 22 points. He isn’t worth $2M.

  139. LMHF#1 says:

    jtblack: IMO Benson is 2 years away … next year in the AHL with a little cup of coffee in NHL. Then hopefully he’s ready for full time NHL Duty in 2021 ….

    You never, ever count on or assume spots for guys like Benson…you need multiples and only 1 might make it.

    Meanwhile some guy who played junior with Connor just scored his 15th of the season…Oilers don’t need wingers who can score and play with 97 though…not a thing…*smash head against wall for the millionth time on that one*

  140. Professor Q says:

    LMHF#1: You never, ever count on or assume spots for guys like Benson…you need multiples and only 1 might make it.

    Meanwhile some guy who played junior with Connor just scored his 15th of the season…Oilers don’t need wingers who can score and play with 97 though…not a thing…*smash head against wall for the millionth time on that one*

    Yeah, there were some bad misses in 2015 and 2016.

    But sadly there are many dead horses there. What the heck is in the water?

  141. Side says:

    godot10: All I said was that it was a high risk choice to select someone with no previous head coaching experience.

    Why would my head explode?

    You said more than him being a high risk..

    I believe you said he was unqualified and gifted the position undeservedly because he didn’t ride the AHL busses like other qualified coaches.

    You also made a jab at him earlier this year because his team was near the bottom.

    Come on now, no need to reframe your stance on Woodcroft like you did Todd.

  142. Side says:

    Glovjuice: It won’t happen. yamos outside speed is Yak level. Those other guys can ALL separate.

    I think you are the only person I read who doesn’t think KY is fast.

    KY was praised by scouts for his speed and being able to seperate from his opponents.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: It won’t happen. yamos outside speed is Yak level. Those other guys can ALL separate.

    Sometimes players with different skill sets are each able to succeed.

    It’s not all about skating – one does not have to be a plus skater to succeed in the NHL.

    I’ll give the kid a few years before I close the book on him and make the final decision.

  144. jtblack says:

    Debrincat. 16 Goals. NHL.

    Benson. 3 Goals. AHL

    *ducks*

  145. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Matt Tkachuck is not a Good skater. he has been great. You are 100% correct OP

  146. LMHF#1 says:

    Professor Q: Yeah, there were some bad misses in 2015 and 2016.

    But sadly there are many dead horses there. What the heck is in the water?

    I refuse to let this one go only because of how blatantly obvious and easy the pick was – and that the career contrast is predictably stark so far.

    The score is currently 43-0 and 81-0…

  147. Glovjuice says:

    Side: I think you are the only person I read who doesn’t think KY is fast.

    KY was praised by scouts for his speed and being able to seperate from his opponents.

    In junior

  148. Professor Q says:

    LMHF#1: I refuse to let this one go only because of how blatantly obvious and easy the pick was – and that the career contrast is predictably stark so far.

    The score is currently 43-0 and 81-0…

    I am not in disagreement, with either year.

  149. Pescador says:

    jtblack:
    Debrincat.16 Goals. NHL.

    Benson. 3 Goals. AHL

    *ducks*

    Debrincat had no speed in junior
    No way he can play in the NHL

  150. Glovjuice says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Matt Tkachuck is not a Good skater.he has been great.You are 100% correct OP

    The exchange was vis-a-vis Yamo succeeding eventually ala Jonny, Johnston et al. Not vis-a-via bigger, stronger massive junior point producers like Tkachuck.

  151. jtblack says:

    Glovjuice: The exchange was vis-a-vis Yamo succeeding eventually ala Jonny, Johnston et al. Not vis-a-via bigger, stronger massive junior point producers like Tkachuck.

    I digress !

  152. LMHF#1 says:

    Professor Q: I am not in disagreement, with either year.

    Oh I know, I’m just not usually one to continue these on…but man….so I explain myself when it comes up. Not normally a “but they coulda drafted…” sorta guy because it’s so often after the fact.

  153. Professor Q says:

    Pescador: Debrincat had no speed in junior
    No way he can play in the NHL

    He was actually rated as a very good skater in junior.

    The only issues were intelligence at times, size (obviously), and over-competiveness which frequently led to certain negative attitude attributes. Partly why he would be cut from Team USA.

    Most profiles had his scoring proficiency and skills, along with the competitiveness being a positive aside from the certain issues, overshadowing his “negative attributes” by a lot, despite projecting him to be taken in the 2nd due to size.

  154. Bos8 says:

    Condors 5 – 2 after two. Yama two goals, Benson two assists. Marody one and one.

  155. jtblack says:

    Bos8:
    Condors 5 – 2 after two.Yama two goals, Benson two assists.Marody one and one.

    Nice !!!

  156. godot10 says:

    Side: You said more than him being a high risk..

    I believe you said he was unqualified and gifted the position undeservedly because he didn’t ride the AHL busses like other qualified coaches.

    You also made a jab at him earlier this year because his team was near the bottom.

    Come on now,no need to reframe your stance on Woodcroft like you did Todd.

    I never used the word, unqualified. High risk and inexperienced yes.

    I think what I say gets exaggerated and contorted inside your head.

  157. Ryan says:

    jtblack:
    Debrincat.16 Goals. NHL.

    Benson. 3 Goals. AHL

    *ducks*

    Brevity is the soul of wit.

  158. Side says:

    Glovjuice: In junior

    Just sittin here, browsing all of the articles online talking about Kailer’s tremendous speed and skating in the Jr’s and articles about him in the NHL that comment on his good speed.

    But I guess I’ll take your word for it.

  159. godot10 says:

    Erik Gustafsson playing over 20 minutes a night for the Blackhawks, more than Keith, with over three minutes on the power play. 8 goals, 10 assists.

    I wonder who drafted THAT guy! -).

    I wonder who thought not signing him was a good idea! -).

  160. ArmchairGM says:

    Bos8: Condors 5 – 2 after two. Yama two goals

    So he’s finally learning how to play against men, is he?

  161. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Glovjuice: Our points aren’t totally ridiculous though- what we say has at least some merit that some here agree with.

    We are pretty much in agreement then – you’re points (repetitive mini-rant actually) are only partially ridiculous and what you state may not be utterly and completely devoid of merit. And yes, there are probably one or two here that agree with the sentiment of that post but they mostly have the good sense to remain anonymous.

    Now … where is that Snickers bar? I can’t have gone through the whole case already, right? Nothing but empty wrappers here!

  162. Side says:

    godot10: I never used the word, unqualified.High risk and inexperienced yes.

    I think what I say gets exaggerated and contorted inside your head.

    I think you just like to give broad stances on topics relating to coaching without really delving into why you feel that way so you can leave some wiggle room for yourself so you can claim you were right about something.

    Again, this is how you operate:

    “how was the restaurant godot?”

    “mediocre. the food was terrible, service was terrible. everything about it was terrible”

    “I guess we won’t go there again since it sounds like you hated it”

    “when did I say I hated it and wouldn’t want to come back?”

  163. Glovjuice says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: We are pretty much in agreement then – you’re points (repetitive mini-rant actually) are only partially ridiculous and what you state may not be utterly and completely devoid of merit. And yes, there are probably one or two here that agree with the sentiment of that post but they mostly have the good sense to remain anonymous.

    Now … where is that Snickers bar? I can’t have gone through the whole case already, right? Nothing but empty wrappers here!

    Glovjuice has made several reasonable posts today without attacking any other posters via overt or even subtle jabs but has been the recipient of several jabs in reciprocation from multiple posters. The ostricicism is counter to the values of this blog and is tantamount to bullying.

  164. Side says:

    Glovjuice: Glovjuice has made several reasonable posts today without attacking any other posters via overt or even subtle jabs but has been the recipient of several jabs in reciprocation from multiple posters.The ostricicism is counter to the values of this blog and is tantamount to bullying.

    Did you mean to post this on an alternate account or something?

  165. Lowetide says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: We are pretty much in agreement then – you’re points (repetitive mini-rant actually) are only partially ridiculous and what you state may not be utterly and completely devoid of merit. And yes, there are probably one or two here that agree with the sentiment of that post but they mostly have the good sense to remain anonymous.

    Now … where is that Snickers bar? I can’t have gone through the whole case already, right? Nothing but empty wrappers here!

    YOUR points.

  166. Bos8 says:

    Ostracism and bullying are mutually exclusive, I would think.

  167. drglen says:

    Someone mentioned Rieder, 2Mil? What does production look like, … points that help win games. He was injured but I’d say he’s got like maybe til early january to show some scoring, some points. Too bad.

    Agree Zykov at least deserves a fair shake, 3 to five games with Leon at least. ( or whoever is 2nd center) plus 1st PP time. ( can’t get much worse at the moment)

    Did not realize Johnny Hockey was longer in US college system. Good point. … … But…

    I’m reminded of trying to make supper, trying to make something good that meets nutritional needs, but, you’re basically out of money until payday and roads are bad at least, so you look through the kitchen, the freezer, the secret emergency cupboard, trying to come up with something healthy to feed the family. That’s what’s happening here, … the “Chef’ .. has got to look at everything he has, right now, to get through the winter, …. and that means looking at players that are less than ideal, probably better off developing, etc, … but you do it anyways to try to get by, in this case to get into those playoffs. This is almost desperate times desperate measures time, … Nobody’s hanging the future of the franchise on these call ups or waiver acquisitions, they’ll be just fine. I don’t see using young call ups if it comes to that here, as a high pressure, confidence destroying worry, not with this coach.

    Anyway, we’re ahead of ourselves, or I am. They might just win three in a row here.

  168. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Lowetide: YOUR points.

    Only that it would be unwise to: Fire Chiarelli today.

    That it is reprehensible to refer to him as: An abject incompetent.

    Or make the baseless statement: No cares about prospects

    Then double down with: Chiarelli is an abject incompetent.

  169. Lowetide says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Only that it would be unwise to: Fire Chiarelli today.

    That it is reprehensible to refer to him as: An abject incompetent.

    Or make the baseless statement: No cares about prospects

    Then double down with: Chiarelli is an abject incompetent.

    I believe I have read that a time or two.

  170. bendelson says:

    stephen sheps,

    Interesting/informative list as always Sheps!

    When I asked in the early summer what everyone was listening to, you pointed me in the direction of Iceage and Ought (among others). Both good suggestions, though Ought never captured my full attention like the Iceage album. A really great album from a band that was new to me. Fantastic!
    On my Spotify ‘Your Top Songs of 2018’ (songs I’ve played the most throughout the year), multiple songs from
    Beyondless ended up at or near the top of the list. Thanks Stephen!

    I’m glad to see you came around on Wide Awake! Again, a really great album – though my opinion is heavily swayed having seen The Parquet Courts live in September. Fantastic show! My favourite of the year. Total Football was an obvious and wonderful opening song, regardless of how you feel about Tom Brady.

    Good stuff Stephen!

    Now, time to investigate Idles…

  171. RonnieB says:

    Just to pump the brakes slightly on KY:

    Until tonight’s 2 goals his production was 1 empty net goal and 3 assists in 8 games.

  172. Jaxon says:

    Pescador: I would agree with this,
    Hopefully McLeod’s current lack of scoring is due to linemates or teammates.

    He wasn’t a great scorer last season either and, as a draft+1, he should be driving a line almost regardless of his linemates.

    In his draft year he was about 48th in age adjusted primary points per 60. 48th out of North American forwards. Not great offensively. So once you include Europeans probably not even in the top 64 forwards. That’s not including the D who scored at a higher rate. I’m not sure he’d even be in the to 3 rounds if you ranked all players by age adjusted primary points per 60.

  173. Jaxon says:

    Hope to see sometime the current roster:
    Spooner / McDavid / Puljujarvi – 20 minutes
    Khaira / Draisaitl / Chiasson – 18 minutes
    Lucic / Nugent-Hopkins / Rattie – 17 minutes
    Rieder / Brodziak / Kassian – 5 minutes
    Caggiula/Zykov

  174. Bulging Twine says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    When Gaudreau was Yamamoto’s age, and also in his draft plus two season, he was playing for Boston College, not in the NHL.

    When Tyler Johnson was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing an over-age season in the WHL as a non-drafted amateur and then played two full seasons in the AHL (NHL cup of coffee in his second season).

    When Martin St. Louis was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing in Vermont and almost 5 years away from the NHL.

    Yamamoto may need to get stronger, he may need to figure out how to succeed at the pro level – essentially, he will need to develop, just like the vast majority of high talent smaller players.

    The fact that he can already be a “pain in the ass” at the NHL level – knocking pucks down, causing turnovers, etc. and is a serviceable penalty killer puts him beyond reasonable expectations for him.

    Players take time to develop, the vast majority of them – this does and should include guys like Yamamoto, Bouchard, McLeod, Bear, etc.

    yes, stop rushing players already because of lack of depth

  175. ArmchairGM says:

    RonnieB:
    Just to pump the brakes slightly on KY:

    Until tonight’s 2 goals his production was 1 empty net goal and 3 assists in 8 games.

    My comment was made with tongue firmly in cheek – no brakes required!

  176. Sierra says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    When Gaudreau was Yamamoto’s age, and also in his draft plus two season, he was playing for Boston College, not in the NHL.

    When Tyler Johnson was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing an over-age season in the WHL as a non-drafted amateur and then played two full seasons in the AHL (NHL cup of coffee in his second season).

    When Martin St. Louis was Yamamoto’s age, he was playing in Vermont and almost 5 years away from the NHL.

    Yamamoto may need to get stronger, he may need to figure out how to succeed at the pro level – essentially, he will need to develop, just like the vast majority of high talent smaller players.

    The fact that he can already be a “pain in the ass” at the NHL level – knocking pucks down, causing turnovers, etc. and is a serviceable penalty killer puts him beyond reasonable expectations for him.

    Players take time to develop, the vast majority of them – this does and should include guys like Yamamoto, Bouchard, McLeod, Bear, etc.

    This is a very good post

  177. drglen says:

    “We don’t have to get him up to speed work-wise, skating-wise or checking-wise, he’s already there,” said Hitchcock. “He can play in the league at a high level when the other team has the puck. I’m trying to get him up to speed when we have the puck, so why not play him with good players?

    You gotta love this guy, .. sees the game on a different level, in for him clearly defined levels and tendencies, and can just pass it on to the rest of us in plain language.

  178. hags9k says:

    Pontus Aberg is a grilled cheese sandwich playing with Getzlaf.

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