Things we lost in the fire

An NHL team can make a mistake any day of the year, but the main pressure points arrive three times: At the draft, early in free agency, and at the deadline. We have a tendency to remember the great deadline deals—Kent Nilsson, Bill Ranford, Reijo Ruotsalainen, Dwayne Roloson, Jaro Spacek, Sergei Samsonov—while forgetting the disasters. Like Miro Satan. I think it comes down, a lot of times, to motivation. Why is a team making a trade, what are the benefits and how much risk is involved?

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s free-agent success in 2018 may dictate Oilers big money moves in the summer of 2019.
  • Lowetide: Total recall—Who should be next on the Bakersfield-to-Edmonton shuttle?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers’ Rattie still figuring out how to play for new-old coach Ken Hitchcock.
  • Lowetide: No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Condors coach Jay Woodcroft has a lifetime of hockey knowledge to share and the notebooks to prove it.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Ryan Spooner for Ryan Strome trade has yet to pay dividends for the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Ken Hitchcock, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and finding that elusive perfect fit on the Oilers No. 2 line.
  • Jonathan Willis: Milan Lucic should not be an everyday player for the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

DON’T MAKE A BAD DEAL!

Glen Sather made the Miro Satan deal, so he said, because “he wasn’t playing all that much. But there was another part of the agenda. They were talking about him going back home (over his contract).” Ron Low said (about Satan) “he could always score but he was a streaky scorer.” That’s how every empire falls. Edmonton has made some terrible deadline deals. Here’s a brief history:

  • March 8, 1982—Oilers trade C Walt Poddubny and R Phil Drouillard to the Toronto Maple Leafs for C Laurie Boschman. Edmonton traded a future that included 28, 40, 38 and 38-goal seasons for Boschman, who was a more famous and established center. Slats got good value two years later.
  • March 10, 1992—Oilers trade L Martin Rucinsky to the Quebec Nordiques for G Ron Tugnutt and L Brad Zavisha.  When you need a goalie, you need a goalie. Edmonton traded away a long-time top-six winger future for a year and a bit of Tugnutt (they would lose him to Anaheim in the expansion draft).
  • March 18, 1997—Oilers trade L Miro Satan to the Buffalo Sabres for L Barrie Moore and D Craig Millar. The quotes above give us the reason, contract concerns and inconsistent play from a youngster. Major impact on the team 1997-2007.
  • February 27, 2007—Oilers trade L Ryan Smyth to the NY Islanders for C Ryan O’Marra, R Robert Nilsson and first-round draft pick (Alex Plante). Possibly the most stubborn trade in team history, although the ‘Mike Comrie for Corey Perry’ non-trade wins the day if we include deals that didn’t happen.
  • March 2, 2015—Oilers trade D Jeff Petry to the Montreal Canadiens for a second-round pick and a fourth-round pick (Jonas Siegenthaler and Caleb Jones). Craig MacTavish said ‘we can’t pay every defenseman $4 million’ and then sent the best one away. The mind boggles.

WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?

In the Oilers war room (why doesn’t hockey have war rooms? It’s as violent as football in terms of the impact of collisions, if not the frequency), I imagine they’re fine with the goalies. After that? There are issues:

  • If everything breaks right, the team should be able to make the playoffs with the current blue (if they’re all healthy). I think Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Russell, Gravel-Benning and Jones might be sufficient to sustain momentum, but I don’t think they’ll be able to catch anyone from behind. That’s why staying close is vital over the next four weeks. When Sekera returns, they’ll find a spot for him inside the top 6D, possibly second pair. Will it be in time? That’s the question about the defense.
  • Up front, you can see Ken Hitchcock running out of options in real time. Kailer Yamamoto is likely to be recalled, possibly in time for the game this weekend. After that, I think Cooper Marody has earned another shot.

Then we’re into the pre-deadline and deadline deals and that’s a difficult conversation. Peter Chiarelli’s track record at the deadline (going back to his Bruins days) suggests he is willing to overpay for specific things, but Edmonton can’t afford to lose any more transactions. It’s also borderline useless to trade for a rental when the team has so much work to do before becoming a Stanley Cup contender. So, what are the possible options? Here are the forwards I’m interested in:

  • R Tyler Toffoli, Los Angeles Kings. He makes $4.6 million this and next season, he has scored 20 goals or more three times. This year, his offense (1.16 5-on-5 per 60) is poor, but his shooting percentage (3.53) will correct and he’s shooting a lot (10.09 per 60 at 5-on-5). He can also penalty kill. Cost? Ryan Spooner and a pick/prospect? LAK would have to retain some coin.
  • L Andre Burakovsky, Washington Capitals. Making $3.0 million and getting a raise in the summer, he’s scoring 1.26 5-on-5 per 60. Is there a way to acquire him while also offloading $3M? And is he the right player? Seeing him live a few times, I can say the man can fly. Tobias Rieder and a sweetener? Not sure.
  • L Miles Wood, New Jersey Devils. Signed a four-year deal for $2.75 million back in the fall, but he hasn’t been close to established levels (0.99 5-on-5 points-per-60). Doubt the Devils would deal him but Wood can scoot and has some skills. I can’t estimate a price, but you’d have to imagine the Devils would want one of Edmonton’s best young (and emerging) forwards in the deal (as in JP or KY). It’s also likely they are fine with keeping him through his struggles.
  • L Frank Vatrano, Florida Panthers. Another former Chiarelli player, he’s having a nice season in Sunrise (10 goals) although he’s not flourishing at evens (1.19 5-on-5 points per 60). He is shooting a lot (10.98), shouldn’t be a pricey addition, and might flourish with a quality center. A pick? Caggiula?
  • R Mats Zuccarello, NY Rangers. He’s a free agent and makes $4.5 million, plus he isn’t tearing up the scoring race (1.02 5-on-5 per 60). On the other hand, he probably won’t cost more than a pick and the Rangers could retain. He isn’t a strong option but might be a likely one.

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153 Responses to "Things we lost in the fire"

  1. Glovjuice says:

    Happy 😊 Boxing 🥊 day!

  2. who says:

    I say no to Zuccarello. This team does not need a rental winger. We are not a cup contender.
    If Burakovsky is having a bad season why is he due a raise? This is the player on your list that intrigues me the most.

  3. bmclav says:

    Is Wayne Simmonds not the perfect fit? Huge power forward who loves to shoot and can really skate. UFA after this season and is only making $4 mill on his current deal. Oh and he’s having a really bad year and can probably be had for a pick/prospect package that doesn’t include a 1st rounder so we’d be buying low for once. Khaira-Drai-Simmonds would be a hell of a 2nd line that would be a nightmare for opposing teams to try and contain physically

  4. jtblack says:

    I would like to see the 5×5/60 for the forwards without CMD.

    Spacek Samsonov Roloson. Greats adds that couldn’t have worked out better !

    Smyth deal. OUCH! I grew up with Ryan. He did NOT want that trade. He was never the same. Heart was always in Edm

  5. tileguy says:

    Why don’t we clear up 4.17M for some picks/prospects as I beleive in our shiny new goalie.

  6. fishman says:

    bmclav:
    Is Wayne Simmonds not the perfect fit? Huge power forward who loves to shoot and can really skate. UFA after this season and is only making $4 mill on his current deal. Oh and he’s having a really bad year and can probably be had for a pick/prospect package that doesn’t include a 1st rounder so we’d be buying low for once. Khaira-Drai-Simmonds would be a hell of a 2nd line that would be a nightmare for opposing teams to try and contain physically

    Love Simmons but fear his game is in decline??? We really can’t take on another multi year contract with an older player with the requisite no trade Chirrelli clauses!

  7. jtblack says:

    bmclav:
    Is Wayne Simmonds not the perfect fit? Huge power forward who loves to shoot and can really skate. UFA after this season and is only making $4 mill on his current deal. Oh and he’s having a really bad year and can probably be had for a pick/prospect package that doesn’t include a 1st rounder so we’d be buying low for once. Khaira-Drai-Simmonds would be a hell of a 2nd line that would be a nightmare for opposing teams to try and contain physically

    Shame on you. A 30 yr old power forward? The list of mistakes that look like a Simmonds type is extensive. Lucic is the poster boy, but there are more than a dozen recent examples

  8. Soup Fascist says:

    The “word” was Philly was looking for a first rounder, minimum for Simmons. Of course, these things are always a supply and demand type of thing. I would think Toronto (spits) would be very interested in that type of player at the deadline. While it pains me to say, they are closer to a Cup run than good old “our team”. However, their defense is not ideal and they are missing some ruggedness up front that typically pays more dividends in the playoffs. Personally, if I am Dubas I add a Dman. But how good would Simmons look on a Leafs (spits) 3rd line / 2nd power play?

  9. bmclav says:

    Adding one of Toffoli, Bura, or simmonds while keeping our 1st rounder would be a huge step forward for this organization. Established consistent 20 goal scorers is exactly what we’re lacking , I no longer consider our D an issue as after this year we’re looking at:

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Bouchard
    Sekera-Russell
    Gravel-Jones
    Benning-Bear

    Now that is about the best top 10 D this team has deployed in a long long time

  10. jtblack says:

    tileguy:
    Why don’t we clear up 4.17M for some picks/prospects as I beleive in our shiny new goalie.

    +1.

  11. Soup Fascist says:

    jtblack: Shame on you.A 30 yr old power forward?The list of mistakes that look like a Simmonds type is extensive. Lucic is the poster boy, but there are more than a dozen recent examples

    Simmons is a one year rental option at the trade deadline. No Lucic contract strapped to his back.

  12. drglen says:

    LT really great article today! Your brain is creative and finely tuned. Lot’s to dig into.

    Toffoili, would be the guy to deal for if he shakes free at a buyers price.

    Not sure I follow the ‘can hold ground’. but ‘cannot make up ground’ logic. Are you meaning in game… team can maybe hold a 2-1 lead on a deflection goal and win a game on clogging defence, .. but cannot actually win games via offensive pressure and scoring? That’s what I think you mean.

    Like that gravel is secure in your mind. I still maintain that team brings up in house puck moving D, (BEAR) by mid to end of January as basically a last resort. ( Kind of like gambling on third down, every time, in the 4th quarter because you are down 11 points)

  13. drglen says:

    bmclav:
    Is Wayne Simmonds not the perfect fit? Huge power forward who loves to shoot and can really skate. UFA after this season and is only making $4 mill on his current deal. Oh and he’s having a really bad year and can probably be had for a pick/prospect package that doesn’t include a 1st rounder so we’d be buying low for once. Khaira-Drai-Simmonds would be a hell of a 2nd line that would be a nightmare for opposing teams to try and contain physically

    I’ve had it in my mind that Philly is the trade dance parter this winter/spring. I would actually pick up Simmonds as a rental if price was low. Try to move out Rieder in the process. ( respect to Rieder, NHL forward but not finding range here… ie not getting breakaway passes from D)

  14. drglen says:

    Don’t think Marody is coming back up. Three is something that they are not trusting about him, I don’t know what it is because he protects puck well, seems to keep plays alive, .. not a ‘die on your stick’ guy… not coming up unless heaven forbid injury to Nuge.

    Useful trade piece.

  15. bmclav says:

    jtblack,

    I don’t think he’s a Lucic comparable whatsoever, quite the opposite in fact. He’s been a prolific goal scorer his whole career and as I mentioned his skating and shot are his strengths whereas Lucic can’t do either. I’d happily send Spooner, Benning, and a 3rd rounder to Philly for him, he’d immediately be the most established and best winger in our organization (assumining RNH and DRAI are Cs)

    Just because Lucic didn’t work out doesn’t mean every 30 year old is a bust who’s on decline. There’s a ton of examples of wingers who actually peak after 30 (Blake wheeler is one). Lucic and a hypothetical simmonds signing are completely mutually exclusive .. so with that I say shame on you too

  16. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    The Hockey Writers have a post up with every NHL team and their prospects who are playing at the U20.

    Always interesting to peruse the list:

    https://thehockeywriters.com/2019-world-junior-roster-breakdown-by-nhl-team/

    I found CGY’s list interesting:


    Calgary Flames (4)

    F Martin Pospisil – Slovakia – 2018 fourth round pick (105th)
    F Milos Roman – Slovakia – 2018 fourth round pick (122nd)
    F Adam Ruzicka – Slovakia – 2017 fourth round pick (109th)
    F Filip Sveningsson – Sweden – 2017 seventh round pick (202nd)

    Last two drafts CGY has devoted their 4th rounders to Slovakian born players.

    Its not like they are picking them out of a Slovak leagues though, Pospisil was USHL, Roman WHL and Ruzicka OHL.

    One thing is interesting though, they were all drafted in their rookie NA year.

    Perhaps they have a Slovak scout who follows these kids before they come over and they follow up in the NA leagues?

    I’ve always thought that one drafting inefficiency is that teams don’t take into account the “rookie Euors in NA leagues” effect, where most do substantially better their 2nd year and beyond due to acclimation to the culture, language etc.

    I wonder if that’s their thinking here?

    Could be coincidence, but looks interesting from the outside.

  17. bmclav says:

    drglen,

    I agree with this take, Toffoli should definitely be #1 on Chiarellis radar, he’s only 26 and the only year he didn’t score 20 he still had 16 in 60 odd games. Topped 30 goals before too. Toffoli would be a monumental addition

  18. drglen says:

    Don’t know Burakovsky… but Pete is doing well with cast off capitals. I’m Ok with this… but you set your limits, like at the Casino.

    The elephant in the room for me is Zykov. Who is this guy, what can he do, will he get minutes. Seems to me your are looking at trades for a Zykov like player, when we have actual Zykov, but don’t know who he is. Youngish AHL scoring champ…. that’s worth something.. that’s no joke. There has to be a player here.

  19. McSorley33 says:

    This team is nowhere near a *legitimate* cup contender.

    Tobias Rieder (0 goals)
    Milan Lucic.
    Zack Kassian
    Kyle Brodziak
    Ryan Spooner
    Valentin Zykov

    Imagine being from another city and looking at the above list of forwards and hearing Edmonton fans thinking they are *adding* at the deadline.

    Talbot and others should be auctioned off here soon. We need more picks and prospects, not less.

  20. godot10 says:

    drglen: I’ve had it in my mind that Philly is the trade dance parter this winter/spring.I would actually pick up Simmonds as a rental if price was low.Try to move out Rieder in the process. ( respect to Rieder, NHL forward but not finding range here… ie not getting breakaway passes from D)

    Rieder is what makes Chiasson work with Draisaitl. He is also one of the few Oiler forwards who can PK. And he is inexpensive. The Oilers should bring him back if he doesn’t ask for a raise.

  21. godot10 says:

    bmclav:
    jtblack,

    I don’t think he’s a Lucic comparable whatsoever, quite the opposite in fact. He’s been a prolific goal scorer his whole career and as I mentioned his skating and shot are his strengths whereas Lucic can’t do either. I’d happily send Spooner, Benning, and a 3rd rounder to Philly for him, he’d immediately be the most established and best winger in our organization (assumining RNH and DRAI are Cs)

    Just because Lucic didn’t work out doesn’t mean every 30 year old is a bust who’s on decline. There’s a ton of examples of wingers who actually peak after 30 (Blake wheeler is one). Lucic and a hypothetical simmonds signing are completely mutually exclusive .. so with that I say shame on you too

    Gudas is who the Oilers should want from Philly. A bridge player for two years till Bouchard is ready.

  22. drglen says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    The Hockey Writers have a post up with every NHL team and their prospects who are playing at the U20.

    Always interesting to peruse the list:

    https://thehockeywriters.com/2019-world-junior-roster-breakdown-by-nhl-team/

    I found CGY’s list interesting:


    Calgary Flames (4)


    F Martin Pospisil – Slovakia – 2018 fourth round pick (105th) F Milos Roman – Slovakia – 2018 fourth round pick (122nd) F Adam Ruzicka – Slovakia – 2017 fourth round pick (109th) F Filip Sveningsson – Sweden – 2017 seventh round pick (202nd)

    Last two drafts CGY has devoted their 4th rounders to Slovakian born players.

    Its not like they are picking them out of a Slovak leagues though, Pospisil was USHL, Roman WHL and Ruzicka OHL.

    One thing is interesting though, they were all drafting in their rookie NA year.

    Perhaps they have a Slovak scout who follows these kids before they come over and they follow up in the NA leagues?

    I’ve always thought that one drafting inefficiency is that teams don’t take into account the “rookie Euors in NA leagues” effect, where most do substantially better their 2nd year and beyond due to acclimation to the culture, language etc.

    I wonder if that’s their thinking here?

    Could be coincidence, but looks interesting from the outside.

    You could be on to something here, and the flames connection is interesting ( the Flames, who have surged past us all)… the competitive edge might be the ‘village level’ scouting in Eastern Europe, prior to coming over and not just the world juniors or its year NA.

    Would be interesting to know…. I wonder if they keep retired East European players slightly on the payroll when they return, .. to keep their eyes open. For Oilers, .. the eyes may be on Russian players. ( Tampa Bay certainly has figured this out) … recall that Hitch makes call to Zubov.

    years ago it was predicted that skill players will generally come from Europe, mucker grinder players from NA/Canada. …

    I can tell you one thing… Oilers should have scouts in Sweden looking for D men. !!!

  23. drglen says:

    godot10: Rieder is what makes Chiasson work with Draisaitl.He is also one of the few Oiler forwards who can PK. And he is inexpensive.The Oilers should bring him back if he doesn’t ask for a raise.

    Good point on the PK ( very good point….sigh the PK) Also good point to let that line have some time… but not too much time.

  24. godot10 says:

    The lull after the breakup of Czechoslovakia may be over. The Czech Republic ticked up a couple of years ago, and maybe now Slovakia is following.

  25. tileguy says:

    Could the picks/prospects we get for Talbot be enough to get Simmondsfrom Phil? Perhaps a small sweetner? It would then essentially be a Talbot for Simmonds trade I’m in.

  26. drglen says:

    godot10: Gudas is who the Oilers should want from Philly.A bridge player for two years till Bouchard is ready.

    Thought about Gudas…. but I think not. Too similar to what we have (a 4-5, probably 5-6?) .. a neutral trade that blocks the path coming up. But in all honesty don’t know much about him, don’t see much of Philly unless they play oilers. Would he make that pass, would he ‘surprise’ the opposition with fast break out, quickly advanced puck to breaking winger…. that’s what we need. Literally 3/4 of a second at most, and about 6 feet. That’s the edge, the difference between offence and no offence.

  27. Cahoon says:

    LT, I know the title has a total different meaning, but it made me think of one of my favorite songs by one of my favorite artists. His is more about the therapeutic nature of telling stories around a campfire, but the title got me revisiting a song I really like, so thanks, Merry Christmas.

    https://youtu.be/UMCroNzcfmM

  28. drglen says:

    tileguy:
    Could the picks/prospects we get for Talbot be enough to get Simmondsfrom Phil? Perhaps a small sweetner? It would then essentially be a Talbot for Simmonds trade I’m in.

    agreed…… Peter.. you are hereby authorized to make the call. ( if Carter Hart struggles… and he has not yet… that’s the night. Call Philly after he gets hammered 6-1 by the Leafs. )

  29. jtblack says:

    Soup Fascist: Simmons is a one year rental option at the trade deadline. No Lucic contract strapped to his back.

    Fair enough that makes more sense

  30. jtblack says:

    Toffoli has slow boots. not sure we want add to another slow player

  31. Glovjuice says:

    bmclav:
    Is Wayne Simmonds not the perfect fit? Huge power forward who loves to shoot and can really skate. UFA after this season and is only making $4 mill on his current deal. Oh and he’s having a really bad year and can probably be had for a pick/prospect package that doesn’t include a 1st rounder so we’d be buying low for once. Khaira-Drai-Simmonds would be a hell of a 2nd line that would be a nightmare for opposing teams to try and contain physically

    Totally, I would kill for an exciting hockey trade that we at least draw even on.

  32. jtblack says:

    bmclav:
    jtblack,

    I don’t think he’s a Lucic comparable whatsoever, quite the opposite in fact. He’s been a prolific goal scorer his whole career and as I mentioned his skating and shot are his strengths whereas Lucic can’t do either. I’d happily send Spooner, Benning, and a 3rd rounder to Philly for him, he’d immediately be the most established and best winger in our organization (assumining RNH and DRAI are Cs)

    Just because Lucic didn’t work out doesn’t mean every 30 year old is a bust who’s on decline. There’s a ton of examples of wingers who actually peak after 30 (Blake wheeler is one). Lucic and a hypothetical simmonds signing are completely mutually exclusive .. so with that I say shame on you too

    Yup. I alreafy ate crow on this. a rental / 1 yr deal is fine.

    I dont think there’s “a ton” of examples of wingers who peak after 30.

  33. drglen says:

    jtblack:
    Toffoli has slow boots.not sure we want add to another slow player

    Well… this is true. this is true. .. but fast doesn’t work without high end D. The fast no-hands bargain experiment for the oilers has failed. Chaisson not all that fast, and yet….. kabang in the net. Maybe you need two fast guys on a line, and a slightly slower biggish guy with hands.

    Toffoli is money, in my view. Money.

  34. drglen says:

    Glovjuice: Totally, I would kill for an exciting hockey trade that we at least draw even on.

    ( he laughs … sadly.. and sips his coffee)

  35. Glovjuice says:

    WTF is with that groove 2/3 the way through Electric Funeral by the mighty Sabbath; titaniclly good.

  36. Woogie63 says:

    I believe the waiver wire opens at 12:01 AM December 27. That wire will be very telling;

    1. Russell off the IR
    2. Sekera to Bakersfield
    3. Garrison to Bakersfield
    4. Yamamoto to the NHL

    And there is still the matter we don’t have a kid line.

  37. Glovjuice says:

    drglen: ( he laughs … sadly.. and sips his coffee)

    Beer for me after shovelling…

  38. drglen says:

    Woogie63,

    4a… Cinnamon Latte for drglen. Don’t forget that.

  39. LMHF#1 says:

    While nobody knows where the Oilers will be come April…I Hope most people have learned the lesson that you go for it whenever you have a chance. Taking for granted that things will be better or at least the same in a year is a massive mistake in modern pro sports…especially the NHL.

  40. slopitch says:

    If i were Chai id make the 3rd available and wait till right begore the deadline. Once teams decide to move on, the return on players seems to drop quite a bit.

    I think there are bigger plays to be made – Talbot for assets (at the deadline), freeing up salary by moving Sekera, Russel or Lucic. The other move is to possibly dangle Nurse for a RHD. Im done with Chairelli though. Dont trust him behind the wheel.

  41. drglen says:

    LMHF#1:
    While nobody knows where the Oilers will be come April…I Hope most people have learned the lesson that you go for it whenever you have a chance. Taking for granted that things will be better or at least the same in a year is a massive mistake in modern pro sports…especially the NHL.

    True. you know and that continues to make that freeking goalie interference non call on Kesler… so soul killing. The path was there , that year.

    I wonder about the predators…is their window still open? I don’t think so. Winnipeg yes, Nashville, I don’t think so.

    But as to your point, Toronto… the year and time is RIGHT NOW… agree, load up, pay up, .. this is their year.

  42. tileguy says:

    13 games in the NHL tomorrow and 7 of them have an effect on our team. Thank you baby jesus for keeping hockey interesting past xmas.

  43. drglen says:

    tileguy,

    Amen to that brother.

  44. Glovjuice says:

    LMHF#1:
    While nobody knows where the Oilers will be come April…I Hope most people have learned the lesson that you go for it whenever you have a chance. Taking for granted that things will be better or at least the same in a year is a massive mistake in modern pro sports…especially the NHL.

    Agreed x lots. Should have gone all in for 16-17. Such a bad GM – he actually said out loud “he thought we weren’t ready yet”; terrible leader.

  45. Glovjuice says:

    slopitch:
    If i were Chai id make the 3rd available and wait till right begore the deadline. Once teams decide to move on, the return on players seems to drop quite a bit.

    I think there are bigger plays to be made – Talbot for assets (at the deadline), freeing up salary by moving Sekera, Russel or Lucic. The other move is to possibly dangle Nurse for a RHD. Im done with Chairelli though. Dont trust him behind the wheel.

    100 %

  46. jtblack says:

    drglen: Well…this is true.this is true… but fast doesn’t work without high end D. The fast no-hands bargain experiment for the oilers has failed. Chaisson not all that fast, and yet….. kabang in the net. Maybe you need two fast guys on a line, and a slightly slower biggish guy with hands.

    Toffoli is money, in my view. Money.

    I would.like to see his faancies relative to teammates. And does he have other atrributes if he is not scoring,

  47. StixMalone says:

    NO to Simmonds thank you. It won’t help us in the long run. Just my opinion….

  48. McSorley33 says:

    Now, Peter Chiarelli is *desperate* to add at the deadline to save his job.

    Short term thinking.

    The organization, however, needs an overall plan.

    If you ever find yourself agreeing with or thinking the same thing as Peter Chiarelli, step back and reconsider.

    Hopefully, the search for Peter’s replacement has already begun.

  49. Bag of Pucks says:

    I wonder if the Flyers would consider Puljujarvi straight up for Nolan Patrick?

  50. LMHF#1 says:

    drglen: True.you know and that continues to make that freeking goalie interference non call on Kesler… so soul killing. The path was there , that year.

    I wonder about the predators…is their window still open? I don’t think so.Winnipeg yes, Nashville, I don’t think so.

    But as to your point,Toronto… the year and time is RIGHT NOW… agree, load up, pay up, .. this is their year.

    With another D to knock Russell down, and the right Coach, they may well have won that year. May have even dragged Todd to the final with another scorer.

    Both the SJ and ANA series should have been quick.

  51. LMHF#1 says:

    Glovjuice: Agreed x lots. Should have gone all in for 16-17. Such a bad GM – he actually said out loud “he thought we weren’t ready yet”; terrible leader.

    The resumption of a run of horrendous decision-making that has continued nearly unabated since.

    It is either grounded in arrogance, or not caring about actually winning it all. Still figuring that out.

  52. LMHF#1 says:

    Mission 1 in the GM office for the rest of the year should be to clear the junk…

    Lucic
    Russell
    Spooner
    Talbot if he doesn’t want to sign a cheap extension (though I’d rather go for a young G reclamation with upside)
    Kassian
    Caggiula

    The thing is…most if not all of these do not align with what the management values…which is ridiculous…but here we are.

    Nurse should also go with a pick for an RHD who is signed and better than he is, but again, he’s an .org guy so they overrate him.

    I have no hope any of this will happen…but the path back isn’t dire or long…just requires some doing.

  53. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Spooner, Caggiula, ++ for salaries to work for Toffoli?

    Would be a nice buy low finisher for 97 or 29.

  54. JimmyV1965 says:

    McSorley33:
    This team is nowhere near a *legitimate* cup contender.

    Tobias Rieder (0 goals)
    Milan Lucic.
    Zack Kassian
    Kyle Brodziak
    Ryan Spooner
    Valentin Zykov

    Imagine being from another city and looking at the above list of forwards and hearing Edmonton fans thinking they are *adding* at the deadline.

    Talbot and others should be auctioned off here soon. We need more picks and prospects, not less.

    I don’t think anyone believes the Oil are a cup contender. They are a playoff contender and a marginal one at that. If they make the right deal, this team can make the playoffs. At some point, this team will have to deal picks and prospects. I’m thinking about next year’s defence. We may have too many dmen prospects for the AHL next year. I don’t advocate just selling off picks and prospects, but this team’s NHL roster is in much worse shape than its prospect pipeline.

  55. JimmyV1965 says:

    Talbot for Simmonds would be a fairy fair deal that helps both teams.

  56. Bos8 says:

    Toffoli, smaller than Chiasson, slower and has six goals. Oh, and -8. Hell of a finisher. Trade an asset and add money.

    As Jay said to Hugh Grant “What……

  57. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I wonder if the Flyers would consider Puljujarvi straight up for Nolan Patrick?

    Honest question. Why would we consider that?

  58. stephen sheps says:

    Due to holiday season scheduling issues (by which I mean I was very busy – also, happy holidays everyone!) I am 2 days behind on the Weekly Yak.

    My son played in 3 games this week, scoring 1 goal, bringing his season total to 26GP, 11-5-16, good enough for 3rd place in goals scored on the team. For reasons I still cannot explain, coach refuses to play my boy every night, despite being a more efficient scorer than all but Nikolay Prokhorkin, who leads the team with 14 goals in only 25 games.

    SKA itself went 2-2 in the last 9 days since my previous report.

    Belov Bonus:

    Anton is now up to 25 games played and scored his 2nd of the season this week.

    My other brother Anton (Bonus Bonus):

    Lander suffered a brutal leg injury against Traktor and is out indefinitely.
    http://www.sport-express.ru/hockey/khl/news/anton-lander-nuzhno-vernut-myshcy-zakachat-nogu-chtoby-snova-katatsya-v-polnuyu-silu-1494721/

    And now for something completely different:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nk5mSz_2s

    This has been your Weekly Yak.
    End transmission

  59. Bos8 says:

    Just a point of interest. The top three wingers are Chiasson, Khaira and Puljujarvi. Which needs replacing?

  60. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    godot10,

    Agree with the player target, and strongly agree on the timeline for Bouchard (at a minimum).

  61. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Things We Lost In the Fire.

    Is this a reference to the Steve Albini produced Low album?
    Or to the Halle Berry flick?

    Or neither.

  62. ck27 says:

    LMHF#1,

    I agree with this 100%

  63. Katz_kat says:

    drglen

    Not sure I follow the ‘can hold ground’. but ‘cannot make up ground’ logic.Are you meaning in game… team can maybe hold a 2-1 lead on a deflection goaland win a game on clogging defence, .. but cannot actually win games via offensive pressure and scoring?That’s what I think you

    He’s saying that they’ll never be able to put together a winning streak long enough to make up ground on those teams ahead of us on the standings. Our best hope is o be able to put together 2-1 and 3-1 streaks and try and maintain our wildcard position for the rest of the season. If they do that, I’ll say it, that’s a more difficult road but ultimately might be a big learning lesson on what they need to do just to squeak into the playoffs. The incredible success they had in 2016 might not have taught them that.

  64. tileguy says:

    Bos8:
    Just a point of interest.The top three wingers are Chiasson, Khaira and Puljujarvi.Which needs replacing?

    None need replacing, 2 of them need to move down to the third or fourth lines and one needs to emerge. Top flight wingers is what this team needs.

  65. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    stephen sheps,

    Having predicted 11 goals for Yak as my tie breaker, I can honestly say I hope he renders that total useless! Similarly hope my pessimistic points prediction of 91 is shy by season’s end.

  66. ArmchairGM says:

    I think it’s critical that the Oilers find out what they have in their newest wingers prior to beginning the buyout conversation. To do this properly (top-6 ice-time) without jeopardizing the teams chances of winning games, Hitchcock has to run unicorns. Once Khaira is back, this is what I want to see:

    Khaira – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Spooner – Nugent-Hopkins – Zykov

    I think it’s counterproductive to consider casting aside Spooner and Zykov without properly giving them a chance. Have we learned nothing from recent history?

  67. stephen sheps says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    I hope so, too. Though I was more optimistic about Yak and pessimistic about the Oil (17/83) in the death march this year.

  68. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Re: Gudas.

    Always been a favourite of mine due to his good fancies and his mean streak.

    I love Dmen who get the puck back from top 6 fowards with malice, which is why I’ve like Larsson too.

    Underrated skill and it impacts the team positively.

    Having Larsson on 1 pair and Gudas on the other makes EDM tough to play against. Especially since most high end Cs and wingers are left handed and tend to enter the zone on the right side.

    Gudas fell off a bit last two years under Hakstol, going from solid 2nd pair to 3rd pair.

    Its interesting that one of the first things Gordon did was put Gudas back in the 2nd pair.

    Ghostbear has been getting more 5v5 minutes than Gudas, but Gordon is playing him like PIT (and Eakins…..) played Jultz and that’s as many minutes as possible while hiding him from the other team’s best.

    McDonald-Gudas have been seeing 2nd pair comp and doing well.

    Here’s Gudas Relative Team CF% and Relative Team GF% over the past 4 seasons:

    (reminder: Relative Team is the total of his WOWY weighted by TOI)

    Season RelT CF%
    2014-2015 0.65
    2015-2016 5.11
    2016-2017 3.94
    2017-2018 3.43
    2018-2019 4.44

    Positive influence every year

    Season RelT GF%
    2014-2015 -8.65
    2015-2016 -1.22
    2016-2017 11.65
    2017-2018 -1.58
    2018-2019 11.76

    Up and down here. Spikes when he plays mostly 3rd pair as he dominates those minutes.

    I’ve always seen Gudas as a 4-5. Best player on a 3rd pair, 2nd best on a 2nd pair, but is RH so can do 2nd pair minutes with a decent left hander.

    Same as I see Russell, a 4-5, but with much superior results.

  69. tileguy says:

    ArmchairGM:
    I think it’s critical that the Oilers find out what they have in their newest wingers prior to beginning the buyout conversation. To do this properly (top-6 ice-time) without jeopardizing the teams chances of winning games, Hitchcock has to run unicorns. Once Khaira is back, this is what I want to see:

    Khaira – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Spooner – Nugent-Hopkins – Zykov

    I think it’s counterproductive to consider casting aside Spooner and Zykov without properly giving them a chance. Have we learned nothing from recent history?

    Do you want to make the playoffs or not?

  70. Woodguy v2.0 says:


    Matt Mosewich
    ‏ @EDMFutureWatch

    Dmitri Samorukov named an alternate captain for team Russia.

  71. Bos8 says:

    tileguy: None need replacing, 2 of them need to move down to the third or fourth lines and one needs to emerge. Top flight wingers is what this team needs.

    Aside from the beast on the third line, Looch, Khaira is now fourth line? This for a player that’s averaging pretty well a point a game with Nuge?

    I’m baffled

    I see a team in the playoffs that’ll be a bitch to play against, once there. Three D are hurt but they’ll be back shortly.

    What am I missing?

  72. Derek says:

    In 2021 the Edmonton Oilers will finally replace Jeff Petry in the top 4 with Seth Jones who they drafted with the fourth round pick they acquired for Petry from the Montreal Canadiens. That summer they will trade Seth Jones for a song when 2020 drafted defenseman Mike Hunt has some success playing on the second pairing for 8 games effectively replacing Seth Jones.

    Same as it ever was.

  73. Derek says:

    ArmchairGM:
    I think it’s critical that the Oilers find out what they have in their newest wingers prior to beginning the buyout conversation. To do this properly (top-6 ice-time) without jeopardizing the teams chances of winning games, Hitchcock has to run unicorns. Once Khaira is back, this is what I want to see:

    Khaira – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Spooner – Nugent-Hopkins – Zykov

    I think it’s counterproductive to consider casting aside Spooner and Zykov without properly giving them a chance. Have we learned nothing from recent history?

    That sure is a lot of dead weight for our boy RNH to drag up down the ice. I think if you wanted to run a forward group like that you might have to steal some help from Mcdavid (Khaira or Jessa) and give to Nuge.

  74. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    Toffoli has slow boots.not sure we want add to another slow player

    Please no. The Oilers need shooters, but not guys floating waiting for a set up. They have to be quick enough to support the cycle and get into scoring position or it’s like Connor or Leon playing with one winger. Last game Chiasson was MIA for all intents and purposes.

  75. tileguy says:

    Bos8: Aside from the beast on the third line, Looch, Khaira is now fourth line?This for a player that’s averaging pretty well a point a game with Nuge?

    I’m baffled

    I see a team in the playoffs that’ll be a bitch to play against, once there.Three D are hurt but they’ll be back shortly.

    What am I missing?

    Let’s face it, the Inquisition line is the 4th line, with 2 goal scoring type wingers we can put JJ and Chaseon with Marody, leaving Nuge on the top line with topflight winger one. If we did happen to see Simonds on the team then I would love to see that Drai, Sim, JJ experiment.

  76. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Derek:
    In 2021 the Edmonton Oilers will finally replace Jeff Petry in the top 4 with Seth Jones who they drafted with the fourth round pick they acquired for Petry from the Montreal Canadiens.That summer they will trade Seth Jones for a song when 2020 drafted defenseman Mike Hunt has some success playing on the second pairing for 8 games effectively replacing Seth Jones.

    Same as it ever was.

    Seth Jones, eh. He would solve a whole lot of problems..

    Nice Mike Hunt reference though.

  77. Rondo says:

    Why would anyone think Chiarelli could make a good trade?

  78. Bos8 says:

    tileguy: Let’s face it, the Inquisition line is the 4th line, with 2 goal scoring type wingers we can put JJ and Chaseon with Marody, leaving Nuge on the top line with topflight winger one. If we did happen to see Simonds on the team then I would love to see that Drai, Sim, JJ experiment.

    All I’m interested in are playoffs and challenge, probably Winnipeg. Edmonton was kicking the crap out of Calgary for two periods until TMac panicked re penalties. Same, same in the playoffs.

    I feel the Oilers got the fickle finger on schedule, travel and injuries. To quote someone “Take not counsel of your fears”.

    Our best finisher did nothing the last game. Well, he was running on fumes and scored a goal. Terrible

  79. Ryan says:

    Derek: That sure is a lot of dead weight for our boy RNH to drag up down the ice.I think if you wanted to run a forward group like that you might have to steal some help from Mcdavid (Khaira or Jessa) and give to Nuge.

    Spooner and Nuge were terrible in a small sample.

    In 45 minutes….

    They 5.35 GA/60
    0 GF/60
    40% corsi
    38.9% fenwick.
    SC F % 32

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=y&team=EDM&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2018-10-03&td=2019-04-06&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8475727&p2=8476454&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

  80. Ryan says:

    Derek: That sure is a lot of dead weight for our boy RNH to drag up down the ice.I think if you wanted to run a forward group like that you might have to steal some help from Mcdavid (Khaira or Jessa) and give to Nuge.

    Actually if you could get Nuge and JJ on a line, that might be a 3rd line that could produce some goals.

    That’s not a half bad idea.

    They played 68 minutes together, the possession numbers a little soft, but the GF is 62.5%

  81. v4ance says:

    Simmonds is exactly the wrong trade for this team. If we were a Cup contender and he was a piece we needed to solidify our bottom 6, that’s the situation where it’s advisable to pick up his expiring contract.

    What good does it do for the Oilers to pick up a player for half a season when we’re just a bubble team that may not even make the playoffs?

    Since we’re barely a contender, we need to think longer term and mandate that any trades of assets out should be for players who can help for around 3 years not just 3 months.

  82. ArmchairGM says:

    tileguy: Do you want to make the playoffs or not?

    Of course.

    I see no reason why we can’t run those lines and win games, do you?

  83. ArmchairGM says:

    Derek: That sure is a lot of dead weight for our boy RNH to drag up down the ice.I think if you wanted to run a forward group like that you might have to steal some help from Mcdavid (Khaira or Jessa) and give to Nuge.

    Not necessarily true, but I’d like to find out.

    – Spooner is just 26, has played over 300 NHL games and has scored 0.53 p/g in his career. There’s a player there – why can’t we have it?
    – Zykov is 23 and has scored goals at every level: 0.52 g/g in junior and the same rate in the AHL last year. He’s exactly the player-type we’re always looking for, so why not give him a chance with a skill center?

  84. Ryan says:

    ArmchairGM: Not necessarily true, but I’d like to find out.

    – Spooner is just 26, has played over 300 NHL games and has scored 0.53 p/g in his career. There’s a player there – why can’t we have it?
    – Zykov is 23 and has scored goals at every level: 0.52 g/g in junior and the same rate in the AHL last year. He’s exactly the player-type we’re always looking for, so why not give him a chance with a skill center?

    I’d worry first about getting Spooner a test drive in the top six.

    He’s an expensive buyout candidate.

    Putting them both on the same line is not giving either of them a chance to succeed.

    I’d run Spooner on McDavid or Draistaitl’s lines ora 3rd line with Nuge and no Zykov line and see if he can do anything otherwise it’s another million in cap hit x 2 years to buy him out.

    Worry about Zykov after that.

  85. ArmchairGM says:

    Early days yet, but Puljujarvi’s 5v5 points/60 with McDavid is 3.16.

  86. ArmchairGM says:

    Ryan: I’d worry first about getting Spooner a test drive in the top six.

    He’s an expensive buyout candidate.

    Putting them both on the same line is not giving either of them a chance to succeed.

    I’d run Spooner on McDavid or Draistaitl’s lines ora3rd line with Nuge and no Zykov line and see if he can do anything otherwise it’s another million in cap hit x 2 years to buy him out.

    Worry about Zykov after that.

    Fair enough. Spooner’s possession stats with Draisaitl and McDavid are amazing, but then you have the teams 2 best players on the same line again.

  87. Scungilli Slushy says:

    To me a good GM isn’t looking at the top of things with established players because that is where all the expense and risk is.

    A good GM spots the solid contributors that cost less in acquisition so are less of a loss if they fail, and cost less to retain if they work out.

    Simmonds won’t come cheap and will shop himself hard next summer.

  88. drglen says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Re: Gudas.

    Always been a favourite of mine due to his good fancies and his mean streak.

    I love Dmen who get the puck back from top 6 fowards with malice, which is why I’ve like Larsson too.

    Underrated skill and it impacts the team positively.

    Having Larsson on 1 pair and Gudas on the other makes EDM tough to play against.Especially since most high end Cs and wingers are left handed and tend to enter the zone on the right side.

    Gudas fell off a bit last two years under Hakstol, going from solid 2nd pair to 3rd pair.

    Its interesting that one of the first things Gordon did was put Gudas back in the 2nd pair.

    Ghostbear has been getting more 5v5 minutes than Gudas, but Gordon is playing him like PIT (and Eakins…..) played Jultz and that’s as many minutes as possible while hiding him from the other team’s best.

    McDonald-Gudas have been seeing 2nd pair comp and doing well.

    Here’s Gudas Relative Team CF% and Relative Team GF% over the past 4 seasons:

    (reminder: Relative Team is the total of his WOWY weighted by TOI)

    SeasonRelT CF%
    2014-20150.65
    2015-20165.11
    2016-20173.94
    2017-20183.43
    2018-20194.44

    Positive influence every year

    SeasonRelT GF%
    2014-2015-8.65
    2015-2016-1.22
    2016-201711.65
    2017-2018-1.58
    2018-201911.76

    Up and down here.Spikes when he plays mostly 3rd pair as he dominates those minutes.

    I’ve always seen Gudas as a 4-5.Best player on a 3rd pair, 2nd best on a 2nd pair, but is RH so can do 2nd pair minutes with a decent left hander.

    Same as I see Russell, a 4-5, but with much superior results.

    OK then. Consider myself informed. Not solving transitional offense problem at all, but a superior bulldog puck retrieval guy….

    The comment about left handed centres entering the zone on the right side is interesting and probably true.

    Who would you give up for Gudas? He’s not quite what we need… but.. look at right now with Russel out, … he is what we need exactly right now.

  89. drglen says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    To me a good GM isn’t looking at the top of things with established players because that is where all the expense and risk is.

    A good GM spots the solid contributors that cost less in acquisition so are less of a loss if they fail, and cost less to retain if they work out.

    Simmonds won’t come cheap and will shop himself hard next summer.

    right. Pete is pretty good at bargains.. imo. If you’ve got to resign or renegotiate with Simmonds this summer? then ya a bit risky unless you need need to get in playoffs. Simmons perceived value is low at the moment, doesn’t mean it stays that way. I’d listen to the phone call though… San Jose did pretty good with that chap from Buffalo. I see Toffoli the same way… the perceived value is well below what I think the actual value/ talent level is. ( Complete off topic but what’s Jeff Carter’s status these days)

  90. drglen says:

    Are we really on the hook time wise/oontract wise for Spooner? Ay Carumba.

    If I were Spooner, … who ‘should’ be better than he is…. people saying he has wheels and some slick moves/ offensive upside ( I don’t see it.. at all.. but I only follow games on radio) … then I’d change my routine… something way out there, way out of the box.

    OK… like….

    increased sauerkraut and Komboushka/ probiotics for gut health/ metabolism/digestion.

    Go see an some kind of energy doctor/ meridian opening type of person.

    No seafood of any kind, except wild north pacific salmon, or Halibut.

    Increase , massively, organic green veggies, especially broccoli and leafy , and also start a juicing regiment.

    Meditation… or get one of those ‘my pillows’.. i’m always hearing ads for.

    Start listening to classical music on the plane.

    Talk to GSP about alternate discipline training, espcially balance and small/supporting muscle training.

    Something,… to change the energy. and if it works… pass your secrets on to Milan.

  91. Bag of Pucks says:

    JimmyV1965: Honest question. Why would we consider that?

    Comparable draft pedigrees and I’m starting to have serious doubts that JP has the situational awareness required to be a truly elite F worthy of a Top 5 pick.

  92. McSorley33 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    As reported, this organization has 1 high end prospect in the system. Evan Bouchard.

    Benson and Yamamoto have not exactly lit the AHL on fire.

    Tyler has 1 more point than Brad Malone.

    We need more scoring winger prospects. Not less.

    Not sure how you can add at the deadline without giving up picks /or prospects.

    Some people watch Lucic play hockey and think if only we could obtain another 30 year old
    Power forward -hello Wayne Simmonds ( who turns 31 this summer )

    Other people watch Milan Lucic and learn their lesson and shudder at the idea of Simmonds.

    Side Note: 30 year old Patrick Maroon has 2 goals this year.

  93. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Comparable draft pedigrees and I’m starting to have serious doubts that JP has the situational awareness required to be a truly elite F worthy of a Top 5 pick.

    Methinks the rotten coaching JP’s received so far has left him endlessly re-living his rookie season. I’ll give him this year to see whether or not he has what it takes, but your opinion is starting to gain weight.

  94. godot10 says:

    drglen:

    Who would you give up for Gudas?He’s not quite what we need… but.. look at right now with Russel out, … he is what we need exactly right now.

    Talbot

  95. godot10 says:

    drglen: right. Pete is pretty good at bargains.. imo. If you’ve got to resign or renegotiate with Simmonds this summer?then ya a bit risky unless you need need to get in playoffs.Simmons perceived value is low at the moment, doesn’t mean it stays that way. I’d listen to the phone call though… San Jose did pretty good with that chap from Buffalo.I see Toffoli the same way… the perceived value is well below what I think the actual value/ talent level is.(Complete off topic but what’s Jeff Carter’s status these days)

    Evander Kane wasn’t over the hill, just fussy about when he chose to exert himself. Simmonds is over the hill.

  96. drglen says:

    JP’s gonna be OK.

    Benson is a passer. Book him for NHL.

    Yamo…when he get’s his NHL level confidence ( which is initiative and being first or ahead, rather than waiting/reacting/deferring) he will be NHL 20-30 goal man.

    It’s almost game by game right now, (which is a very dangerous way to run an NHL team)..but so long as we win enough to stay within striking distance, hanging around a wildcard spot…no trades should be done (except to unload cap where warranted)…

    When we slip to 5-7 points out of wildcard, then you consider trades of existing low/mid level vets on big club, and hope for a friendly bounce back on that player. ( your Toffolis and Simmonds ilk)

    If we slip to 10 points back, .. call up the kids en masse and let them play.

    All of the above could transpire within next 2-3 weeks.

  97. drglen says:

    godot10: Talbot

    yep, that’s a done right now trade if offered. Done, shake, on the plane tonight.

  98. drglen says:

    godot10: Evander Kane wasn’t over the hill, just fussy about when he chose to exert himself.Simmonds is over the hill.

    yep, could be could be. Good point on Kane. Better to trade for ‘head issues’ rather than hands.

  99. Reja says:

    The most encouraging aspect of the Oilers is that they’re in a playoff spot even though they have injuries on the backend and the foward lines aren’t clicking. They really haven’t as a group played well. If they make a few shrewd trades and peak for the playoffs with Kos in net Look Out.

  100. drglen says:

    Bag of Pucks: Comparable draft pedigrees and I’m starting to have serious doubts that JP has the situational awareness required to be a truly elite F worthy of a Top 5 pick.

    I think it’s been pointed out by smart people ( I think I read it here) , was it Blue Jackets manager Jarmo Kekalainen, .. who passed on JP, allowing him to fall to us. ( Did I get that right?) .. so reinterating but a Finn, who would have known all about JP for many years, decides to pass, and you have to ask why, and it has been suggested that it might be just this hockey IQ you speak of.

    Personally, though, I think he’s going to be OK. You know who should call him, mentor him, .. …. … . .. (building suspense.)… .. . .. . . . . . . . . .. . Mark Messier.

  101. godot10 says:

    drglen: I think it’s been pointed out by smart people ( I think I read it here) , was it Blue Jackets manager Jarmo Kekalainen, .. who passed on JP, allowing him to fall to us. ( Did I get that right?) .. so reinterating but a Finn, who would have known all about JP for many years, decides to pass, and you have to ask why, and it has been suggested that it might be just this hockey IQ speak of.

    Personally, though, I think he’s going to be OK. You know who should call him, mentor him, .. …. … . .. (building suspense.)… .. . .. . . . . . . . . .. . Mark Messier.

    Kekelainen desperately needed a centre. He knows forwards. Has a 20 year record of drafting NHL forwards. Dubois was close enough and a centre. This says nothing about Puljujarvi, except that McLellan failed to do any competent coaching of the prospect for 2.5 years.

  102. ArmchairGM says:

    hunter1909: Methinks the rotten coaching JP’s received so far has left him endlessly re-living his rookie season. I’ll give him this year to see whether or not he has what it takes

    Yes.

  103. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Peter Chiarelli’s free-agent success in 2018 may dictate the Oilers big money moves in the summer of 2019.

    https://theathletic.com/733595/2018/12/26/peter-chiarellis-free-agent-success-in-2018-may-dictate-the-oilers-big-money-moves-in-the-summer-of-2019/

  104. innercitysmytty says:

    godot10,

    This for sure – I don’t think TMac or the organization has done JP any favours. One piece that I don’t get and it’s more because I’ve never heard his explanation, is that from day one Gregor has said he’s on a long-term development timeline. I’m not sure why this needed to be a foregone conclusion? Coming from Finland there was likely to be an adjustment period but why does it need to be 3-5 years. Certainly didn’t take Rantanan that long when developed properly and then stapled to Mackinnon. He was a consensus top-3 pick, which isn’t a guarantee, but he has a helluva toolbox to work with. I hope Hitch can live with some defensive mistakes because I think stapling him to either Drai or Connor should be a must for the remainder of this year regardless of specific in game events.

  105. Derek says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Seth Jones, eh. He would solve a whole lot of problems..

    Nice Mike Hunt reference though.

    Excuse me, Caleb Jones. Seth would solve a bunch of problems though you are correct. He might even return a first rounder when management decided to replace him with a 20 year old.

  106. drglen says:

    So , Canucks tomorrow. What’s the plan to change the result this time.

    We’re still depleted, but they checked us and kept us outside, and we gave too much space to Pettersson.

    (didn’t connor hit a crossbar in that game, or two?)

  107. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If Ehlers and Gudas are available (Ehlers summer) that would fill the holes. Gudas shouldn’t be too pricey and WG thought the Jets would want futures as their roster is set amd capped out.

    If cap space actually has value outside of Chiarelli sell offs both deals could help and not bleed out.

    Moving Sekera or Russell, Talbot and Kassian opens enough cap space and extra.

  108. Munny says:

    Kapanen is at the top of my off-season wish list. But I’m pretty sure he’s at the top of every GMs list too.

  109. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: Peter Chiarelli’s free-agent success in 2018 may dictate the Oilers big money moves in the summer of 2019.

    https://theathletic.com/733595/2018/12/26/peter-chiarellis-free-agent-success-in-2018-may-dictate-the-oilers-big-money-moves-in-the-summer-of-2019/

    Nice article LT.

    I’d rather they moved on from Chiasson. Yes he’s scoring but I don’t see much help outside of that. The Oilers scoring issues are related more to poor team play around tactics, and slow tempo which is a result of team play, but also players not getting to pucks quickly enough.

    Connor and Leon need different compliments, but both need quick players that can play at their pace mentally as well.

  110. Jaxon says:

    drglen: I can tell you one thing… Oilers should have scouts in Sweden looking for D men. !!!

    Should have? Klefbom, Larsson, Berglund, Lagesson, Persson seems to say have. Two roster, three promising prospects. That said, I agree, Sweden has produced arguably better D than Canada in the last decade.

  111. Derek says:

    Canada Denmark about to begin!

    R/H****ystreams for your viewing pleasure.

  112. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Nice article LT.

    I’d rather they moved on from Chiasson. Yes he’s scoring but I don’t see much help outside of that. The Oilers scoring issues are related more to poor team play around tactics, and slow tempo which is a result of team play, but also players not getting to pucks quickly enough.

    Connor and Leon need different compliments, but both need quick players that can play at their pace mentally as well.

    Yeah, that’s a contract fraught with difficulties,

    Chiasson doesn’t do much or skate well and if the goals dry up, it will be a terrible contract. He’s not a 32 % shooter.

    Someone needs to teach Chiarelli that you can never win a negotiation that you’re not willing to walk away from.

  113. JimmyV1965 says:

    McSorley33:
    JimmyV1965,

    As reported, this organization has 1 high end prospect in the system. Evan Bouchard.

    Benson and Yamamoto have not exactly lit the AHL on fire.

    Tyler has 1 more point than Brad Malone.

    We need more scoring winger prospects. Not less.

    Not sure how you can add at the deadline without giving up picks /or prospects.

    Some people watch Lucic play hockey and think if only we could obtain another 30 year old
    Power forward -helloWayne Simmonds ( who turns 31 this summer )

    Other people watch Milan Lucic and learn their lesson and shudder at the idea of Simmonds.

    Side Note: 30 year old Patrick Maroon has 2 goals this year.

    Simmonds is strictly a rental. Resigning him would be a disaster. I would never move a real prospect or pick for a 30 year old UFA. Talbot has the exact same contract so that seems like a natural deal to me. If I’m trading picks and prospects, it’s for a solid winger with term.

  114. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Brook -> Dobson -> Brook

    Bouchard not going to get a lot of ice time….?

  115. Derek says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Brook -> Dobson -> Brook

    Bouchard not going to get a lot of ice time….?

    He started the game? Had a giveaway that resulted in the only Dane shot to this point so maybe hes in a little hot water.

  116. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Jared McIsaac with his best Steve Staios impression out there on a big PK.

  117. Lowetide says:

    Evan Bouchard is sending 500-mile passes at leisure pace. Holy shit he’s good.

  118. Lowetide says:

    Bouchard picks up his first point (a second assist) of the tournament.

  119. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    Evan Bouchard is sending 500-mile passes at leisure pace. Holy shit he’s good.

    I don’t think he’s ever hurried to anything.

  120. Professor Q says:

    Poor Bob McKenzie.

    Apparently the Mississippi Steelheads are a team in the OHL.

  121. Todd Macallan says:

    Bouchard is so laid back he can see his own pelvis.

  122. Lowetide says:

    Professor Q:
    Poor Bob McKenzie.

    Apparently the Mississippi Steelheads are a team in the OHL.

    Haha. Every once in a long time, I’ll write the “Seattle Breakers” instead of the Thunderbirds.

  123. Bos8 says:

    Ryan: Yeah, that’s a contract fraught with difficulties,

    Chiasson doesn’t do much or skate well and if the goals dry up, it will be a terrible contract. He’s not a 32 % shooter.

    Someone needs to teach Chiarelli that you can never win a negotiation that you’re not willing to walk away from.

    Bring back Yamamoto or maybe Caggiula to the first line, they’re motoring all the time.

    TMac time all over again.

  124. Todd Macallan says:

    Bouchard with a PP assist for his second point.

  125. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Bouchard has been physical tonight, to go with the precision passing and (to my eye) fine skating.

  126. Todd Macallan says:

    Another assist for Bouchard just as PP expires.

  127. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    That’s a pretty relaxed looking assist for Bouch, third so far. Leon’s narrative might be in jeopardy when Evan arrives.

  128. Todd Macallan says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    That’s a pretty relaxed looking third assist for Bouch.Leon’s narrative might be in jeopardy when Evan arrives.

    ————————–
    Cool Hand Bouch

  129. drglen says:

    sigh…. I would have liked Bouch on the roster this year… of course this is Junior level competition. Great Junior, but still junior.

  130. Derek says:

    Why the fuck is the Captain of the team flopping around like that in an 8 – 0 game? Embarressing.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    One drawback of always going away over the holidays is that I miss the beginning of the Wprld Juniors.

    With that said, I guess Sri Lanka is with it.

    Amazing part of the world.

    https://twitter.com/coopsie39/status/1077012005167472640?s=12

  132. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    One drawback of always going away over the holidays is that I miss the beginning of the Wprld Juniors.

    With that said, I guess Sri Lanka is with it.

    Amazing part of the world.

    https://twitter.com/coopsie39/status/1077012005167472640?s=12

    When you get around to it can you create a blog or write a book… PDF even. You could call it, “the 40-year-old diet.” I’d be curious to read it.

  133. silasbengtsson says:

    Derek:
    Why the fuck is the Captain of the team flopping around like that in an 8 – 0 game?Embarressing.

    Ducks gonna do Duck things.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: When you get around to it can you create a blog or write a book… PDF even. You could call it, “the 40-year-old diet.” I’d be curious to read it.

    Can’t tell if you are serious or not.

  135. russ99 says:

    Would like the Oilers brass to be proactive and trade for a player who can help this year but will fill a need next year, like a winger with some goal scoring acumen or a defenseman that could jump into the top six.

  136. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Can’t tell if you are serious or not.

    I am not being sarcastic at all. We’ve discussed this before…

    I work out a fair amount— not as much as you mind, but I still have put on a fair amount of weight over the past three years. Let’s say about 20 lbs and I was lean before but not super lean.

    I thought this is 40 though I haven’t been particularly happy about it.

    I’d like to lose the twenty pounds I’ve put on plus another ten for good measure.

    You can’t outrun your fork and that’s the current issue for me. I definitely have to make some lifestyle changes.

  137. Derek says:

    OriginalPouzar: Can’t tell if you are serious or not.

    I’d read it. I doubt I could follow it for longer than a few days but I’d certainly give it a read. 🙂

  138. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    One drawback of always going away over the holidays is that I miss the beginning of the Wprld Juniors.

    With that said, I guess Sri Lanka is with it.

    Amazing part of the world.

    https://twitter.com/coopsie39/status/1077012005167472640?s=12

    Yuk

  139. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Good god, man. Don’t fall in the water or you’ll sink. Me, .. I will definitely outlast you in a cold water hypothermia rescue situation.

    Looks beautiful there. Amazing. – 17 here at the moment.

  140. drglen says:

    Todd Macallan:
    Bouchard is so laid back he can see his own pelvis.

    ‘klop’…. (the sound of my palm hitting my forehead)

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: I am not being sarcastic at all. We’ve discussed this before…

    I work out a fair amount— not as much as you mind, but I stillhave put on a fair amount of weight over the past three years. Let’s say about 20 lbs and I was lean before but not super lean.

    I thought this is 40 though I haven’t been particularly happy about it.

    I’d like to lose the twenty pounds I’ve put on plus another ten for good measure.

    You can’t outrun your fork and that’s the current issue for me. I definitely have to make some lifestyle changes.

    Gotcha. I think I can’t definitely help you with your goals.

    Let’s get in touch directly in the New Year.

  142. drglen says:

    Hitch ” when you play that many minutes sometimes you’re at the scene of the accident” ..

    Love this guy.

    (from Jim Matheson article, Edmonton Journal)

  143. v4ance says:

    JimmyV1965: Simmonds is strictly a rental. Resigning him would be a disaster. I would never move a real prospect or pick for a 30 year old UFA. Talbot has the exact same contract so that seems like a natural deal to me. If I’m trading picks and prospects, it’s for a solid winger with term.

    This logic is absolutely stupid. We are NOT a cup contender. We should NOT be looking at rentals until we are.

    Growth first then get rentals when we are close. Anything else is a waste of assets.

  144. BerkhamstedOil says:

    v4ance,

    I don’t believe you two are that far apart. However, I think a Talbot ‘rental’ is not going to fetch as much as we might hope – May have to settle for a rental ourselves if we are still in the playoff mix and looking to add.

  145. ArmchairGM says:

    russ99:
    Would like the Oilers brass to be proactive and trade for a player who can help this year but will fill a need next year, like a winger with some goal scoring acumen or a defenseman that could jump into the top six.

    Name names, please.

  146. Sierra says:

    Ryan: I am not being sarcastic at all. We’ve discussed this before…

    I work out a fair amount— not as much as you mind, but I stillhave put on a fair amount of weight over the past three years. Let’s say about 20 lbs and I was lean before but not super lean.

    I thought this is 40 though I haven’t been particularly happy about it.

    I’d like to lose the twenty pounds I’ve put on plus another ten for good measure.

    You can’t outrun your fork and that’s the current issue for me. I definitely have to make some lifestyle changes.

    There’s plenty out there already on this, from books to websites to trainers and nutritionists. Start with looking at the Paleo Diet.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    Disagree on the need to look at Paleo if his goals is to lose fat.

    No matter what diet a person tries (Paleo, Vegan, high carb, low carb, intermittent fasting, whatever), it all comes down to calories in versus calories out. Every balance is the guiding principle.

    Of course, there are numerous ways to ensure one is on a deficit and requirements to not lose muscle along with fact while in a deficit but, for fat loss, there is no need to “go Paleo” unless that tupe of diet is a preferred way of eating.

  148. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Disagree on the need to look at Paleo if his goals is to lose fat.

    No matter what diet a person tries (Paleo, Vegan, high carb, low carb, intermittent fasting, whatever), it all comes down to calories in versus calories out.Every balance is the guiding principle.

    Of course, there are numerous ways to ensure one is on a deficit and requirements to not lose muscle along with fact while in a deficit but, for fat loss, there is no need to “go Paleo” unless that tupe of diet is a preferred way of eating.

    Agreed. The average person spends too much time and effort thinking that working out is more of a contributor to weight loss than calorie intake/burning. It all starts with calories. Of course working out burns more calories than sitting on your ass but most would be surprised how much/hard working out is required to burn lots of calories.

  149. JimmyV1965 says:

    v4ance: This logic is absolutely stupid.We are NOT a cup contender.We should NOT be looking at rentals until we are.

    Growth first then get rentals when we are close.Anything else is a waste of assets.

    LOL. Well I think your stupid for thinking a Talbot for Simmonds deal is stupid. This team needs to make the playoffs. Trading one rental for another is not stupid, no matter how much you disagree. If we trade Talbot for futures we’re looking st a second round pick maybe, I’ll take Simmonds.

  150. LMHF#1 says:

    Ryan,

    1. Lose It App – hit your number every day. No excuses.
    2. Keep working out.

    I dropped 50 from Jan-June doing this. Never going back.

  151. Glovjuice says:

    LMHF#1:
    Ryan,

    1. Lose It App – hit your number every day. No excuses.
    2. Keep working out.

    I dropped 50 from Jan-June doing this. Never going back.

    Yes you are, trust me.

  152. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Gotcha.I think I can’t definitely help you with your goals.

    Let’s get in touch directly in the New Year.

    sounds good, thanks

  153. LMHF#1 says:

    Glovjuice: Yes you are, trust me.

    Nope. Fully sustainable when you change the way you live. I was also built to be this size and had gotten lazy.

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