Under Pressure

It’s never a good idea to have a media avail when you have no good answers, so fans shouldn’t be waiting for Peter Chiarelli to step up in the coming days. That said, Edmonton is a big little city and you’d have to be a monk or in a coma to be unaware of the rage in this cage in Edmonton city, now, today. Historically, the Oilers don’t fire people, but rather bump them upstairs. How might this go down?

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  • New Lowetide: Oilers acquire Alexander Petrovic from Panthers, flushing Chris Wideman and a 2019 third-round pick in the trade.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Struggling Oilers counting on Kris Russell to revitalize depleted defence.
  • New Minnia Feng: The head-scratching scenarios, cringe-worthy lines and questionable graphics in commercials featuring NHL players.
  • Lowetide: In a ‘Hail Mary’ roster shuffle, Oilers recall Kailer Yamamoto, waive Valentin Zykov and place Alex Chiasson on IR.
  • Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s free-agent success in 2018 may dictate Oilers big money moves in the summer of 2019.
  • Lowetide: Total recall—Who should be next on the Bakersfield-to-Edmonton shuttle?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers’ Rattie still figuring out how to play for new-old coach Ken Hitchcock.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Condors coach Jay Woodcroft has a lifetime of hockey knowledge to share and the notebooks to prove it.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Ryan Spooner for Ryan Strome trade has yet to pay dividends for the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 38

  • Oilers in 2015: 15-20-3, 33 points; goal differential -21
  • Oilers in 2016: 19-12-7, 45 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in 2017: 17-18-3, 37 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in 2018: 18-17-3, 39 points; goal differential -6

There’s really no difference between last year’s team and this one, and that’s probably about right. The injuries on defense derailed this team but it’s also true the lack of depth, well earned by trading draft picks and signing expensive free agents, is coming home to roost. If you were angry that Todd McLellan got fired before Peter Chiarelli, you may be heartened by recent events. Edmonton is now on pace to finish 39-37-6, 84 points. That’s a six-point improvement year over year. Ken Hitchcock is now 9-7-2 at the helm, destined (apparently) to land within inches of McLellan’s 9-10-1 after his last 20 games as Oilers’ coach.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-5-2, 14 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-4, 18 points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2017: 7-5-1, 15 points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in December 2018: 6-6-1, 13 points; goal differential -1

If you’d told me this would be the worst December of the McDavid era back about December 15 I would have called the cops. We are here. They’re bleeding now, the goalies are coming back to earth and Hitchcock doesn’t have enough defensemen to form a quorum for six, let alone ice a full six.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DECEMBER

  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 0-1-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota, Calgary (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: Colorado,Winnipeg(Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, San Jose, Winnipeg (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-4-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 6-6-1, 13 points in 13 games

It’s a good month for a losing team, an awful month for a team that fancies itself as a playoff contender. I think one of the problems currently surrounds where the fans believe the team should be and where the team itself believes they are at this time.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson played an enormous amount again and were once again overwhelmed. Went 16-17 in 16:19, 9-13 shots, 0-2 goals and 3-3 HDSC. Went 7-9 in 8:18 against Radil-Couture-Meier. I don’t think the Oilers win a game until the team can find a way to back off the minutes for this pairing.
  • Jones-Benning were 9-15 in 13:46, 8-8 shots, 2-3 goals and 1-4 HDSC. Far too high event for any pairing (five goals at 5-on-5 is unusual for a pairing) but I really like the duo. Were 6-5 in 6:09 against Kane-Hertl-Donskoi, 2-1 goals. Crazy. They are mobile and move the puck well. I like the pairing!
  • Gravel-Wideman went 3-12 in 9:30, 2-5 shots, no goals but 0-5 HDSC. Holy man this was an interesting game, five HDSC against the third pairing. Wideman took four minutes in penalties, he’s not good enough to be doing that kind of thing while staying in the lineup.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 33 of 40, .825. I think the third and fourth goals were the straw that broke the back. Edmonton has had subpar goaltending this week.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL. com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Rattie went 10-17 in 9:37, 9-9 shots and 1-1 goals. The captain was also 8-6 in 7:22 with Caggiula (2-1 goals), 2-1 in 1:54 with Yamamoto, 3-0 in 1:49 with Puljujarvi and he also spent time 5-on-5 with Kassian, Khaira, Lucic, Rieder and Brodziak. I think he spent two shifts with Donny Murdoch but my mind commenced to wandering at some point.
  • Lucic-Khaira-Yamamoto went 5-6 in 6:36, 2-2 shots and no goals. I liked the line. Lucic got an assist but on the Leon goal, and Khaira was quiet compared to recent performances. Yamamoto was solid if unspectacular. I’d like to see Khaira on the Nuge line, because passing to Lucic on a two-on-one is not a high percentage play.
  • Rieder-Brodziak-Kassian went 7-15 in 9:57, 5-9 shots and no goals. Not much shaking, this line needs to get more offensive chances (1-3 HDSC) and to cash once in awhile.
  • Caggiula-Nuge-Puljujarvi went 1-10 in 10:27, 0-2 goals (Puljujarvi), 1-8 in 6:25, no goals (Khaira) and 1-5 in 5:05, 0-2 goals (Caggiula). The Drake had a poor game, this didn’t correct much with JJ and that entire evening was a prolonged exercise in frustration. I don’t recall the last time RNH was as thoroughly flummoxed.

HITCHCOCK QUOTES

  • “You look at Ty Rattie and he had a very good game from the red line in and he struggled at the other end. I’m going to have to help him. We’re going to need players like that. And we have other young players. Jesse Puljujarvi had had two tough games now. If he’s on our team, I’m going to have to get him to play.
  • I thought it was an interesting five hours for the Rattie-Yamamoto competition. Rattie scored (or I thought he did) early in the game, but soon after had been demoted with Yamamoto moving up. It’s a fascinating view into Hitchcock’s thinking. McDavid says he likes playing with Rattie, I think the coach prefers more responsibility. Perhaps Nuge can move up and provide the defensive conscience.

DISCONNECT

I believe there is a disconnect between fans and management about the time line for winning. Fans want a winner today, management wants to stay the course and develop players via the draft and amateur procurement (Star Trek, Year of Hell). For that plan to work, the team has to win enough to keep the fans somewhat hopeful. The five-game losing streak, mostly at home, over Christmas, is a big damned headache but Peter Chiarelli can survive it.

I believe there is a disconnect between ownership and management allowing the playoffs to slip away. My guess is Katz has no issues with the development plan, as long as the team makes the playoffs in the spring. Whereas the fan anger is bothersome, the ownership ire could be terminal for this management group. Peter Chiarelli cannot survive this headache.

The Edmonton Oilers wake up this morning No. 11 of 15 western conference teams. The club is four points out of a playoff spot and six points out of being the No. 31 team in the NHL.

If the plan continues according to form (don’t make a panic move), the Oilers could be in a strong lottery position by the ides of January. I believe Peter Chiarelli and the management crew would like to hold the line, to keep the draft picks and Ethan Bear and Jesse Puljujarvi and Caleb Jones.

I think the owner wants the playoffs. Based on what we know about the inner workings of the Oilers, and the recent firing of Todd McLellan, we might expect a Learjet to arrive in the city, a limo ride to the arena, an owner yelling until he turns red as red can be, followed by quick action.

The new admin, or the current admin with an attitude adjustment, will trade the 2019 first-round pick and Ryan Spooner to the Kings for Tyler Toffoli, and then deal Jesse Puljujarvi+ to Carolina for one of their defensemen who can help.

I don’t think this season is worth saving. Honestly. Even if you add a scoring right winger and a good NHL defenseman, mortgaging the future, it’s still a tough row to hoe in making the playoffs.

Stay the course, find a way to hang in there until Oscar Klefbom returns. I have no quarrel with a management change, I suspect it is inevitable at this point. I do object to a quick change in general manager and then several deals that will mortgage the future in favor of improving today.

You canNOT make progress from here by trading young value contracts and draft picks for veterans being paid big money who carry around massive cap obligations. That’s exactly the kind of thinking that got this team into the current mess. In acquiring Griffin Reinhart, Cam Talbot, Eric Gryba and others, Peter Chiarelli made an attempt to hurry sunrise and it resulted in one playoff berth in four.

Stay the course. This can be fixed, but in June, not January.

OILERS CURRENT DRAFT PICKS 2019

  • No. 11 overall
  • No. 42 overall
  • No. 73 overall
  • No. 79 overall
  • No. 104 overall
  • No. 166 overall
  • No. 197 overall

If they’re going to trade a pick, make it the second-round selection included in a deal to send Milan Lucic to his next NHL city. That will help this organization far more than a panic deal in the early days of 2019.

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  1. SwedishPoster says:

    Oh. Great. Another D with terrible puckhandling. Not a lot to give up and at least Petrovic can defend but I’m so tired of D who can’t open up lanes. Especially after we just saw Karlsson and Burns showing off.
    I guess the idea is to give Hitch his low event third pair. Oh well.

    I don’t mind Jones with Larsson. He’s been showing real well and imo is the ideal type of partner for Larsson. I’m all for giving guys ample time to develop but when they look the part they look the part, I don’t see much of a point in holding a player back. Imo he isn’t just barely holding on, he’s shown an ability to play his own game against NHL players, which is key if you want to be more than just a placeholder in the league. Let’s see what he can do, early results are real promising, the question going forward is ofc consistency and ability to adapt to other teams learning his tendencies. Larsson is playing some of the toughest minutes in the league so it’s baptism by fire and it wouldn’t be any shame if Jones falls apart but with the way things are going you might as well give it a shot. There’s something about this Caleb guy.

  2. bendelson says:

    Ha! Two and a half years in the making, and Petrovic is finally traded to’Edm – and at the expected cost no less! Is he a difference maker? No and yes. No: as WG has pointed out, he is a bottom pairing D. Yes: he will help settle the current shitshow on D – in the short term. I’m fine with this trade. Full disclosure: I was also fine with the Korpikoski trade – so what the fuck do I know…

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    Richard S.S.:
    I have been diagnosed with ALS, so expect the worse. The Observers are out in fool force.Eric Gryba was a good Player who couldn’t skate.So that makes the acquisition a big win for the Oilers.They got back a much better than they traded.This is my opinion, like it or not,I don’t give a damn.

    Richard, my heart is heavy for you. Having had my former boss and good friend lose the same battle, and now my Mill manager is facing the same, I know a little of your struggle.

    Out of respect and for you having put it all in perspective, I wish you all the very best. Stay strong, and if I may speak for this community, we’re here for ya, fellow LTer.

  4. Alpine says:

    Jethro Tull,

    You’re right about Bob being a Dino but I think he was making two seperate points and that in Klef’s absence having a “real” NHL defenseman instead of also fans like Wideman or Garrison helps more. It wasn’t about Petrovic fighting more than Klefbom does.

  5. Jethro Tull says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t even know how to respond to this. You mention Klefbom and fighting in the same tweet and this means something? Even though he says nothing of the sort? Kief ain’t going anywhere.

    Honest question. Did you even read Omjo’s post with Stauffer’s tweet quoted in it?

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    Alpine:
    Jethro Tull,

    You’re right about Bob being a Dino but I think he was making two seperate points and that in Klef’s absence having a “real” NHL defenseman instead of also fans like Wideman or Garrison helps more. It wasn’t about Petrovic fighting more than Klefbom does.

    Could just be poor choice in words, but Bob is a smart cookie, even though he says some head shaking things.

    Damn, just answered my own question.

  7. tileguy says:

    Was Hitch responsible for pulling JP out of the minors?
    Is Hitch responsible for pulling Yama out of the minors.
    Does Hitch blend lines more than Tmac did?
    Is Hitch giving a fair shot to Rattie, why not?
    Besides Kassian who is still not producing, has Hitch made anybody better?
    Don’t let Hitch grout your bathroom even if he talks a sweet game, he dosen’t do a very good job.
    Hope Bobby Niks has his eye open for available coaches.

  8. teddyturnbuckle says:

    So did we just trade a 3rd and 6th for an Eric Gryba?

  9. frjohnk says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    So did we just trade a 3rd and 6th for an Eric Gryba?

    It will get even better when Pete buys Petrovic out before the season is done.

    Of course Im joking.

    Kinda.

  10. Jethro Tull says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    So did we just trade a 3rd and 6th for an Eric Gryba?

    Can’t believe Wideman never got a shot on the top pairing with Larsson.

  11. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Richard S.S.:
    I have been diagnosed with ALS, so expect the worse.

    I am so very sorry to hear this, Richard.

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: Sink or swim kid.

    The Oiler WayTM

    Its interesting that they backed Nurse off the top pair.

    Probably to try to get a semblance of a 2nd pair that doesn’t get killed.

    Gravel-Benning is fine as a 3rd pair

    Jones going up to the 1st pair in his 7th NHL game is soooooooooooo Because Oilers

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    So did we just trade a 3rd and 6th for an Eric Gryba?

    A better version of him.

  14. SwedishPoster says:

    Richard S.S.:
    I have been diagnosed with ALS, so expect the worse. The Observers are out in fool force.Eric Gryba was a good Player who couldn’t skate.So that makes the acquisition a big win for the Oilers.They got back a much better than they traded.This is my opinion, like it or not,I don’t give a damn.

    Man. That’s tough. A big scandinavian hug to you and your loved ones.

  15. Pescador says:

    tileguy:
    Was Hitch responsible for pulling JP out of the minors?
    Is Hitch responsible for pulling Yama out of the minors.
    Does Hitch blend lines more than Tmac did?
    Is Hitch giving a fair shot to Rattie, why not?
    Besides Kassian who is still not producing, has Hitch made anybody better?
    Don’t let Hitch grout your bathroom even if he talks a sweet game, he dosen’t do a very good job.
    Hope Bobby Niks has his eye open for available coaches.

    You’re already turning on Hitch?
    Yes because he has a championship roster but just can’t figure out deployment,
    Silly me

  16. tileguy says:

    Pescador: You’re already turning on Hitch?
    Yes because he has a championship roster but just can’t figure out deployment,
    Silly me

    Do you not think they were fair questions?

  17. Gret99zky says:

    If Chia can flip Petrovic for a better 3rd & 6th pick at the deadline, it may buy him another year.

  18. frjohnk says:

    I rarely go to other fan sites, but going on the Panther site, most Panther fans are happy they got rid of Petro. Getting a 3rd was gravy.

    But sometimes guys just need a fresh start, maybe he can flourish here ( in his proper spot) with Hitch as his coach.

  19. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I highly doubt he re-signs there unless they win the draft lottery this year and get Hughes.

    Hall could do a lot worse than star for the Boston Bruins.

  20. tileguy says:

    frjohnk:

    But sometimes guys just need a fresh start, maybe he can flourish here ( in his proper spot) with Hitch as his coach.

    Lol, good one, oh wait you’re serious?

  21. hunter1909 says:

    Gret99zky:
    If Chia can flip Petrovic for a better 3rd & 6th pick at the deadline, it may buy him another year.

    How many more years before McDavid realizes he’s working for a Bizzaro-World version of Peter Puck+Sather’s dynasty and Oilers receive 5 major assets to help their master plan?

    EG; Bruins offer(and get) McDavid with the following 5 assets:

    Pastrnak, McAvoy, Bergeron and two 1st round picks in alternate years

    lol

  22. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909: Hall could do a lot worse than star for the Boston Bruins.

    Now you’re talking.

  23. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Summer 2020.

    VGK is an interesting name.

    NJ has until next trade deadline to be in a playoff hunt.
    McKenzie Blackwood has the keys to the Winnebago

  24. Pescador says:

    Lowetide,

    Booooouins

  25. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909,

    Lowetide: Now you’re talking.

    Lol, Hunter with the sweet talk! I think Hall on the Bruins would be something LT would tune in to watch…..

  26. Alpine says:

    tileguy:
    Was Hitch responsible for pulling JP out of the minors?
    Is Hitch responsible for pulling Yama out of the minors.
    Does Hitch blend lines more than Tmac did?
    Is Hitch giving a fair shot to Rattie, why not?
    Besides Kassian who is still not producing, has Hitch made anybody better?
    Don’t let Hitch grout your bathroom even if he talks a sweet game, he dosen’t do a very good job.
    Hope Bobby Niks has his eye open for available coaches.

    Khaira and Jesse have been better under him. Jesse not much of a step up in offense but better recently and playing a more complete game. Most of Khaira’s production has come under Hitch. The guys having productive years have maintained their pace under him.

    Hitch has been here for just over a month. He’s not gonna make everyone better right away. I was patient with McLellan too in his first season.

  27. Pescador says:

    tileguy: Do you not think they were fair questions?

    You’re questions are legit, way too soon to have answers

  28. Alpine says:

    Forgot to add but Rattie’s not producing so bottom six minutes with the occasional bump up in ice time is all he really deserves right now. I think Hitch has been fair with this player. Rattie is a AAAA player until further notice and not some secret top six guy in waiting.

  29. who says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I don’t get the hate for the trade. It cost us a 6th and 3rd.Of course he’s throwing poop against the wall, but he’s acquired a legit third pair RHD. I’ll be stunned if he isn’t an upgrade on Benning. And maybe the change of scenery helps Petrovic bring his game to a new level.

    Some people are saying stay the course and don’t trade assets. If you are in this camp, you should be quite happy with this trade.And for the record, I think Chia should be fired. But I can still like the trade.

    I agree with all of this.
    I also think it opens the door for a Benning trade this year. Don’t know what he’s worth but maybe a 3rd rounder.
    The few times I’ve seen Petrovic I’ve kind of liked the player. Better skating version of Gryba is a good description. We’ll see how he does.

  30. texmex says:

    Hearing Oilers discussing a deal with Chicago that would bring defenceman Brandon Manning to EDM.
    Still in discussion stage, but price appears to include Drake Caggiula.

    Spector

  31. npanciroli says:

    Hahahaha

  32. Bill says:

    Spector(sportsnet) says on Twitter, there are rumblings of Brandon Manning for Drake+?
    What the…

    Richard SS – I hope things turn out okay Sir, nothing but the best to You and your family.

  33. Jethro Tull says:

    texmex:
    Hearing Oilers discussing a deal with Chicago that would bring defenceman Brandon Manning to EDM.
    Still in discussion stage, but price appears to include Drake Caggiula.

    Spector

    No, it’s some guy called Brandon from Manning!

    How about Oesterle?

  34. Bling says:

    texmex:
    Hearing Oilers discussing a deal with Chicago that would bring defenceman Brandon Manning to EDM.
    Still in discussion stage, but price appears to include Drake Caggiula.

    Spector

    Isn’t that the guy who broke McDavid’s collarbone?

    This team….

  35. Ryan says:

    Bling: Isn’t that the guy who broke McDavid’s collarbone?

    This team….

    Sounds like deal is done, as below.
    Quote Tweet
    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    Hearing CHI-EDM deal boiling down to Brandon Manning and LH D-man Robin Norell (currently in Sweden) to EDM for Drake Caggiula and Jason Garrison.

  36. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Strange trade. Thank fuck we never have to watch Garrison in Oilers silks again.

  37. Jethro Tull says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Strange trade. Thank fuck we never have to watch Garrison in Oilers silks again.

    Hitch: Pete, Caggiula.

    Pete: I like him. Got moxy. Should play more.

    Hitch: Yep. Nope.

  38. Ryan says:

    Ryan,

    Good gord Manning is useless and he has a 2.25 m cap extending into next year.

    Chiarelli has lost his marbles.

    Out of the playoffs and renting Petrovic (a player I used to like but haven’t followed lately. Still a rental).

    Subtracting Drake is fine. Garrison could have just been placed on waivers.

    Chiarelli adding Manning and Spooner is just creating cap problems for the next GM.

  39. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Bling: Isn’t that the guy who broke McDavid’s collarbone?

    This team….

    Holy hell I hope this is a bad rumour…

  40. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    OmJo,

    Juggling metaphor

    I knew that 😇

  41. silasbengtsson says:

    Let’s just acquire what might be the worst Dman in the NHL this year who has a negative history with McDavid AND has another year at a HIGHER cap hit than Caggiula. Buddy is getting caved across every metric and his goal share and HD chance share numbers are ab-fucking-horrent. What a dumbass. I can’t even enjoy Caggiula finally being gone!

  42. Jethro Tull says:

    OmJo: I knew that😇

    How do you kill a circus?

  43. Dr. Taboggan says:

    I think the strategy is to trade for a bunch of beefy dmen and have them all lay on top of each other in front of the net.

  44. Chris says:

    Shuffling chairs on the Titanic. Good grief.

  45. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Only Chia can make a trade involving Garrison and Cags and somehow make the team even worse.

  46. Chris says:

    I’ll forgive him if he trades Looch away.

  47. Chris says:

    I think it’s high time we take the keys away from the teenager.

  48. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Only Chia can make a trade involving Garrison and Cags and somehow make the team even worse.

    The only trade involving Garrison and Cags going out that could make us worse is if we received Lucic in return. Can’t happen since he is already on the roster. Q.E.D..

  49. OilClog says:

    Manning.. hahahah Chia must have his punch himself in the face stache on

  50. leadfarmer says:

    Manning an Oiler!!!!!!
    I just threw up in my mouth
    Add another guy to the needs a buyout Chia acquisition

  51. leadfarmer says:

    Chris:
    Shuffling chairs on the Titanic. Good grief.

    I think we’re at the throwing chairs off the ship phase

  52. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    lol you might be right.

  53. texmex says:

    I’m lost for words.

    Oh how I hope Houston gets a team

  54. Jethro Tull says:

    So LT, I guess we now know which way this season’s going. Look like they’ve thrown in the towel.

  55. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack: Well, this is damn dissapointing.I truly believed in the Hitchmas Miracle.

    WoodGuy – Can Edm make the playoffs?

    My MATH: 44 games remaining.Require 55 Points (to hit 94).

    25-14-5 …… Not seeing it.

    I stopped hoping for the playoffs when 3 of the top-5 defensemen were on IR. It ain’t happening, folks.

  56. ArmchairGM says:

    Not so very long ago we overwhelmingly voted to keep playoff:draft coverage at 75:25.

    Should we re-do that poll?

  57. Eh Team says:

    Dr. Taboggan: Only Chia can make a trade involving Garrison and Cags and somehow make the team even worse.

    Manning < Cags and Garrison < 0

    We would have been better just releasing Cags and Garrison.

  58. Pescador says:

    Richard S.S.,

    Sad news Richard, Oiler fans are brethren
    We certainly fight amongst ourselves enough,
    There is no mistaking the love tho, in good times and the bad
    I wish you nothing but the best

  59. HT Joe says:

    leadfarmer: Manning an Oiler!!!!!!
    I just threw up in my mouth

    Are the Oilers double-dog daring McDavid to request a trade? I don’t get it.

  60. Gret99zky says:

    Here is what McDavid had to say about Brandon Manning:

    “I did all I could defending him last year in the media,” McDavid said. “Everyone wanted to make a big deal saying he did it on purpose, and he wanted to say some comments today about what went on last year. I thought it was one of the [most] classless things I’ve ever seen on the ice. He said some things and our guys responded accordingly. I guess we can put the whole ‘if he did it on purpose’ thing to rest because what he said out there kind of confirmed that. Shows what kind of guy he is when he doesn’t step up and fight some of our guys.”

    Thanks Peter.

  61. npanciroli says:

    This legit could be the ammo for McDavid to ask for a trade.

  62. LMHF#1 says:

    Odds this clown talked to McDavid before making that trade?

    I mean…he was likely too dumb to ask about DeBrincat….

  63. RonnieB says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I don’t get the hate for the trade. It cost us a 6th and 3rd.Of course he’s throwing poop against the wall, but he’s acquired a legit third pair RHD. I’ll be stunned if he isn’t an upgrade on Benning. And maybe the change of scenery helps Petrovic bring his game to a new level.

    Some people are saying stay the course and don’t trade assets. If you are in this camp, you should be quite happy with this trade.And for the record, I think Chia should be fired. But I can still like the trade.

    What you’re missing is that Petrovic will actually be pushing Benning up to the 2nd pairing, with Russell moving to LD and Gravel to the cheap seats.

  64. npanciroli says:

    Petrovic was a meh trade. This is awful.

  65. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Fucking rediculous

  66. Ryan says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Only Chia can make a trade involving Garrison and Cags and somehow make the team even worse.

    Well yeah, you have to get up pretty early in the morning after spending the night at a Holiday Inn Express to pull of a feat like that.

    Putrid trade.

  67. ArmchairGM says:

    knighttown: This is a good, thought provoking question.We keep talking about how young Jesse is, and a I get the late birthday, but his peers from the 2016 have already made quite the impact.

    Jesse Puljujaarvi- 33 points in 120 games

    Auston Matthews- 167 points in 169 games
    Patrick Laine- 104 GOALS in 193 games
    Matt Tkachuck- 139 points in 183 games
    Clayton Keller- 95 points in 123 games
    Alex DeBrincat- 85 points in 123 games
    Pierre-Luc Dubois- 80 in 120
    Jesper Bratt- 48 in 97
    These guys all range from a point per game to .5 points per game with most averaging 0.75.

    Then the four defensemen; Charlie McAvoy, Sergachev, Chychrun and Girard

    Jesse’s much closer peers are Tyson Jost (34/106), Tage Thompson (16/73), Brett Howder, Dillon Dube, Luke Kunin, Sam Steel etc.

    Yes, I’d probably move Jesse for 16 and 33.

    Yeah, depends on who you’re looking at. Everybody thinks Jordan Kyrou is a A+ prospect and he’s just one day younger than Puljujarvi. His draft pedigree isn’t what Jesse’s is, but he hasn’t cracked an NHL like-up either.

  68. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    On a positive note, someone is going to get a pretty good look higher up the batting order with Cags gone. Wish it could have been Aberg or Zykov but here we are. Spooner, Ryan … grab a bat, you’re up.

  69. Dicky94 says:

    What the hell is Chia doing? Doesn’t he know we can’t score. Time to start the New Years celebrations.

  70. Henry says:

    texmex:
    I’m lost for words.

    Oh how I hope Houston gets a team

    Me too. Come on down Coyotes!

  71. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    They want McDavid gone? They want him in a bigger market and PC is in on it? What even is this?

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    Manning + Petrovic + Lucic with 50% retained for Shea Weber.

  73. npanciroli says:

    Not winning the small trades anymore!

  74. McSorley33 says:

    Brandon Manning!!

    Live at the Improv-it’s the Edmonton Oilers!

    Cornering the market on 3rd pairing D!!

  75. Jethro Tull says:

    Instead of good trade proposals, give us your best Chia proposals: Ones that are bad, but could happen.

  76. Ryan says:

    npanciroli:
    Petrovic was a meh trade. This is awful.

    Manning couldn’t hold a roster spot in the Blackhawks blue line…

    Trader Pete. Man…

    Plus what he did to McDavid.

    Pete is making it hard to be a fan of this team.

  77. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Hopkins for Krug, the trade is one for one.

  78. npanciroli says:

    Jethro Tull,

    RNH for Krug
    Klefbom for Coyle
    Talbot for Allen

  79. npanciroli says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    Beaten!

  80. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Basically the formula is to trade an oiler player for a similarly skilled but bigger and more expensive player.

  81. Ryan says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Basically the formula is to trade an oiler player for a similarly skilled but bigger and more expensive player.

    No it’s trade bad player with bad cap issues for a worse player with bigger cap implications.

  82. Jethro Tull says:

    This is luke Oak Island. Just when you think they’re on to something, they manage to break through to more flooded booby trapped tunnels ans there’s a lingering nagging feeling that it’s all a 200yr old practical joke.

  83. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Ryan,

    You are right. I was being kind.

  84. HugThePost says:

    so now that our team scoring is going to go into the negatives, I guess the plan is to play for the Bettman point by deploying Manning to break the opposition star’s collar bone?

  85. Dr. Taboggan says:

    I wish we never fired Tambo. At least he was too scared to make terrible trades.

  86. npanciroli says:

    Potential GMs keep getting less assets and worse cap implications the longer Chia lasts.

  87. BONE207 says:

    So these trades…

    If this were a movie, there would be:

    Clowns
    Trains
    Collapsed Bridge

    Well it will provide entertainment for a week or two.

  88. Pescador says:

    –hudson–:
    Unicorns at practice today.
    https://twitter.com/dnbsports/status/1079444862137556992?s=21

    Lines at Oilers practice:
    Khaira-McDavid-Rattie
    Rieder-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Caggiula-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Extra: Spooner

    Jones-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Gravel-Benning
    Extras: Garrison, Sekera (IR)

    I would’ve liked to see Spooner or Zykov with McDavid and Khaira back with Nuge.Glad to see Hitch putting Rattie back where he started the season.Don’t like seeing Jones on the top pairing.

    So Spooner in for Caggulia,
    I don’t want either of Petrovic or Manning in the line up ahead of this morning’s D pairs
    Chiarelli doesn’t think much of us does he

  89. Sierra says:

    I’ve been wondering if these trades are indicative of Russell being out longer than expected?

  90. Drew says:

    The Dark Years GM Rankings; 1 being Ok 5 being deplorable thoughts?

    A. Lowe pre Katz
    B. Post Katz
    C. Tambellini
    D. MacTavish
    E. Chiarelli

    A 2,
    B 3,
    C 5,
    D 4,
    E 4

  91. McSorley33 says:

    To the pro Petro 3rd pairing people:

    How many 3rd pairing D would you consider ideal?

    Honest question…..

  92. Ryan says:

    Strome
    Caggiula
    Garrison
    6th rounder (Wideman)
    3rd rounder

    For

    Spooner
    Manning
    Norell
    Petrovic rental

    So we’re upgrading our blue line by acquiring two dmen who couldn’t hold a regular spot on two non-playoff teams.

    We have no secondary scoring, so we bring in a dman with 1 point in 26 games and another with three points in 27 games.

    Got it.

  93. Jethro Tull says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    I wish we never fired Tambo. At least he was too scared to make terrible trades.

    I agree. We only used to have one Jarrod Smithson on the roster.

  94. Derek says:

    He’s done with the deck chairs. Now he’s poisoning the well. Fuck my life.

  95. McSorley33 says:

    A case can be made that Brandon Manning is the worst Dman in the league….

  96. Jethro Tull says:

    Ryan:
    Strome
    Caggiula
    Garrison
    6th rounder (Wideman)
    3rd rounder

    For

    Spooner
    Manning
    Norell
    Petrovick rental

    So we’re upgrading our blue line by acquiring two dmen who couldn’t hold a regular spot on two non-playoff teams.

    We have no secondary scoring,so we bring in a dman with 1 point in 26 games and another with three points in 27 games.

    Got it.

    That the thing Ryan, that’s what we get without trading a higher pick or a hotter prospect. They’re actually value for value trades.

    We want difference makers. We got meh.

  97. Pescador says:

    ArmchairGM: Yeah, depends on who you’re looking at. Everybody thinks Jordan Kyrou is a A+ prospect and he’s just one day younger than Puljujarvi. His draft pedigree isn’t what Jesse’s is, but he hasn’t cracked an NHL like-up either.

    Neither has Puljujarvi,
    Zing!

  98. Dicky94 says:

    Pescador,

    You would have to think one of Benning or Nurse is heading out for a forward. Petrovic trade I can handle but the Manning one does not make any sense at all. Oh well…. stick with the plan.

  99. Drew says:

    I like Lowetide
    I like Lowetide
    I like Lowetide
    I like Lowetide
    I like Lowetide
    ( as i gently rock back and forth)

  100. Jethro Tull says:

    Exclusive Chia presser!

    https://youtu.be/F4aWyiPBIsA

  101. Jethro Tull says:

    Well, it’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off.

  102. fishman says:

    McSorley33:
    A case can be made that Brandon Manning is the worst Dman in the league….

    Well we already have the worst forward in Lucic!

  103. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Jason strudwick right now might be better than Brandon manning. Added bonus: he never broke mcdazzle’s collar bone.

  104. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    I’m not supposed to get blackout drunk for another 24 hours, wth Chia….

  105. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    The worst part about all this, even though he was a defensive liability, our forward core just got even slower, and Caggiula will probably light it up in Chicago. I honestly think Chia is actually trying to get fired now…

  106. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Instead of good trade proposals, give us your best Chia proposals: Ones that are bad, but could happen.

    Manning + Talbot for Oskar Lindblom + Christian Folin

  107. Dicky94 says:

    Today’s trades remind of that scene on Dumb and Dumber when Lloyd trades the bus in for a moped and “totally redeems himself!’

  108. BeerMe says:

    Can you say negative value? Manning will be worse for the room than magic beans or caggs being claimed on waivers. good grief

  109. Keith says:

    Meh. Garrison and Wideman out and Petrovic and Manning in? I think this improves our blue line, at least defensively. I am not too choked to lose the Drake considering his giveaway history, although I was pulling for him. Shrug moves as far as asset costs. Worst case scenario the new hires can take the place of Garrison/Wideman in the press box.

  110. npanciroli says:

    Calling Nurse for Coyle

  111. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Maybe Kris Russell for Seabrook as an encore?

  112. npanciroli says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    Lollllll

  113. Ryan says:

    Keith:
    Meh. Garrison and Wideman out and Petrovic and Manning in? I think this improves our blue line, at least defensively. I am not too choked to lose the Drake considering his giveaway history, although I was pulling for him. Shrug moves as far as asset costs. Worst case scenario the new hirescan take the place of Garrison/Wideman in the press box.

    Stolen from Marshall M comment at the athletic.

    In the last year or so Chiarelli has traded:
    3rd for a rental
    4th for Aberg
    5th for Montoya
    6th for Wideman

    That’s half a draft traded away for players that won’t be on the team by the end of the year. You can’t trade away half a draft per year in the new NHL and expect to be successful.

  114. HT Joe says:

    Maybe the plan is for Lucic to get into a fist fight with Manning during a practice, break Manning’s clavicle, and then elevate Lucic to the status of hero. Could Chia be trying to make us appreciate his Lucic signing with this move?

  115. StixMalone says:

    I can’t believe that incompetent people get paid big $$$ to make stupid decisions…….

  116. Alpine says:

    Manning sucked in Chicago but was okay in Philly. He can play third pair fine. But why trade for him when he has a year after this one. He’s a LHD. He’s expensive for a number 6 at best D.

    LHD signed through next year:
    Klefbom 4.16
    Sekera 5.5
    Russell 4
    Nurse 3.2
    Manning 2.25
    Jones ELC

    RHD:
    Larsson 4.16
    Benning 1.9
    Bouchard ELC
    Bear ELC
    Persson???

    Oh and they have no wingers. What the fuck kind of roster management is this?

  117. flyfish1168 says:

    So what is the book on Robin Norell? is there even a chance he comes over?

  118. Glovjuice says:

    HugThePost: I’ve said this a few times here but it is kind of a hushed whisper thing to even suggest.Others here will say Connor is a loyal professional with a NMC, and that ‘he isn’t that type of guy’.

    How many of us actually know him and/or are in his inner circle though?

    Fact is, he is the best player on the planet by far and I would not be surprised if someone he trusts has started suggesting his career is being wasted by the Oilers’ incompetence.His own agent knows a thing or two about how a brilliant NHL career can be cut short unfairly.

    LT said it here before a few years ago and I don’t want to see it happen, but hey, it’s the Oilers.

    Get ready to say goodbye to something you love.

    Agreed. I think it’s something that’s needs to be considered as a possibility at least.

  119. Keith says:

    Ryan,

    Oh I;m aware and am no Chia fan/apologist. I was responding to these particular moves considering the state of our defence.

  120. jtblack says:

    Connor will be thrilled that Manning is joining the team.

  121. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    flyfish1168:
    So what is the book on Robin Norell? is there even a chance he comes over?

    Just read that he was ranked 57 of 59 prospects in the Chicago system.

  122. HT Joe says:

    Alpine:
    Manning sucked in Chicago but was okay in Philly. He can play third pair fine. But why trade for him when he has a year after this one. He’s a LHD. He’s expensive for a number 6 at best D.

    LHD signed through next year:
    Klefbom 4.16
    Sekera 5.5
    Russell 4
    Nurse 3.2
    Manning 2.25
    Jones ELC

    RHD:
    Larsson 4.16
    Benning 1.9
    Bouchard ELC
    Bear ELC
    Persson???

    Oh and they have no wingers. What the fuck kind of roster management is this?

    So, not including the ELC contracts, the total cap hit listed above comes to $25.2M.
    According to CapGeek (https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning), the Tampa Bay lightning blue comes to $26.2M.

    Cap management should be a thing.

  123. flyfish1168 says:

    Alpine:
    Manning sucked in Chicago but was okay in Philly. He can play third pair fine. But why trade for him when he has a year after this one. He’s a LHD. He’s expensive for a number 6 at best D.

    LHD signed through next year:
    Klefbom 4.16
    Sekera 5.5
    Russell 4
    Nurse 3.2
    Manning 2.25
    Jones ELC

    RHD:
    Larsson 4.16
    Benning 1.9
    Bouchard ELC
    Bear ELC
    Persson???

    Oh and they have no wingers. What the fuck kind of roster management is this?

    PC is revisiting our left handiness again.

  124. Gret99zky says:

    Scene: Inside the Oilers dressing room.

    “Hey Brandon, remember that time you hurt Connor on purpose, ruining his rookie season and his only chance at the Calder trophy?”

    *crickets*

  125. workaroundaccount says:

    I forgave Kassian because I never really liked Sam Win, but there’s a lake of fire ready for Manning. I hope he never plays a shift and this was just to bag skate him everyday and ruin his next contract negotiations.

  126. flyfish1168 says:

    Nailer Yakumoto: Just read that he was ranked 57 of 59 prospects in the Chicago system.

    Drake the best player in this deal. Typical PC most skilled player out and bring $hit. Never wins a trade

  127. Ben says:

    OMG the trade calls are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE

  128. Glovjuice says:

    Oilman99: Lucic is not a viable nhl player anymore, I can’t see anybody interested in taking a guy with 2goals in the last season at $6mil,not happening unless you eat three quarters of his salary.

    Who said he wasn’t worth a 7th? Wow – prescient they were. Yikes.

  129. npanciroli says:

    I’m shocked Caggiula didn’t have more value tbh. Although I wonder if Chia even looked.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Don’t see how any Oiler fan can really be upset about this trade – its a stop gab actual NHL d-man (3RD) for a pick that has, what, a 15% chance of becoming an NHL player 3-5 years down the road – and one of two 3rd round picks the team held. No future commitment and a player that could likely be re-signed for cheap if the organizations so chooses (it may not given the plethora of right shot D prospects looking to potentially be NHL ready for next year).

    Many fans should love today’s lines:

    – 3 center split
    – Khaira on 1LW
    – Rattie on 1RW
    – Lucic on 4L
    – JP in top 6

  131. Gret99zky says:

    Ryan: Stolen from Marshall M comment at the athletic.

    In the last year or so Chiarelli has traded:
    3rd for a rental
    4th for Aberg
    5th for Montoya
    6th for Wideman


    That’s half a draft traded away for players that won’t be on the team by the end of the year. You can’t trade away half a draft per year in the new NHL and expect to be successful.

    Ouch.

  132. workaroundaccount says:

    Chia doesn’t like how unthankful we are for the winger group he’s constructed. He’s trading Drake to punish us.

    Drakes a dine a dozen tweener though. Shows how bad our wingers are. Good luck Drake. Hope you aren’t out of the league next year after a real team sees what you can do.

  133. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    I hate this trade.

    Tone deaf and pointless.

    Expect McDavid has a better handle on this than I do but jesus marian joseph

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Drake could score a goal here and there when on the top two lines, however, he gave up WAY more than he provided and the team is better without him in the lineup – poor decisions all over the ice, low hockey IQ and terrible positionally. Tenacity could not make up for it.

    Garrison and Caggiula were two players that made the team worse when on the ice.

  135. Glovjuice says:

    Pescador: Nobody ever said that it was a good trade, or that it was working out just swell.
    Why do you continuously try & present your thoughts as some original, against the grain line of thinking that the rest of us just can’t see?
    If Strome were still on the roster he would be at the top of my must trade list.
    Meh for Meh,
    I’m sorry but you are the one who is failing to grasp the reality here

    The point is that a trade that bad, at this stage in Chia’s tenure, indicates how important it is that he be fired immediately. This is the point.

  136. workaroundaccount says:

    npanciroli:
    I’m shocked Caggiula didn’t have more value tbh. Although I wonder if Chia even looked.

    Most every team in the league has 8-9 fwds better than Cags. He’s worth basically nothing.

  137. Caller Zen says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Manning + Petrovic + Lucic with 50% retained for Shea Weber.

    In a perfect world …I’m still in denial about the Manning trade. There HAS TO BE more and another trade in the works. How does bringing this puke into the locker room help the team?

  138. knighttown says:

    I had forgotten about that McDavid quote about Manning. He really doesn’t like the guy, or didn’t at the time anyway.

    So where’s the upside here?

    Even if McDavid continues to be Saint Connor and welcomes him with open arms you’re still getting a quite overpaid 3rd pairing defenseman on a team that employs about a dozen of them. And he has term.

    But boy oh boy, if 97 wasn’t consulted on this we’ve potentially got the beginnings of the end.

    And also…
    This organization is too “classy” to pick up Mike Hoffman for nothing but are willing to take the ONE PLAYER in the NHL that Connor McDavid hates.

  139. BONE207 says:

    Lowetidians might well set a record for comments on a cold December day. Off night for the team & so much to discuss/vent/sharpen pitchforks for. Everyone drink. This could be fun…

  140. "Steve Smith" says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Drake could score a goal here and there when on the top two lines, however, he gave up WAY more than he provided and the team is better without him in the lineup – poor decisions all over the ice, low hockey IQ and terrible positionally. Tenacity could not make up for it.

    Garrison and Caggiula were two players that made the team worse when on the ice.

    I think that’s the general consensus, yes. And if the trade had been those two guys for future considerations, I don’t think many of us would have had a problem with it. But…it wasn’t.

  141. npanciroli says:

    2nd year on Manning deal is what kills it for me.

    Edit: I mean he sucks too so there is also that.

  142. BONE207 says:

    npanciroli:
    2nd year on Manning deal is what kills it for me.

    Well it’s like so many deals we’ve seen. Wait, cross our fingers & pray.

    I bet LTs typewriter wears out before the end of January.

  143. Dr. Taboggan says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Waiving them both would have been preferable.

  144. workaroundaccount says:

    Drew:
    The Dark Years GM Rankings; 1 being Ok 5 being deplorable thoughts?

    A. Lowe pre Katz
    B. Post Katz
    C. Tambellini
    D. MacTavish
    E. Chiarelli

    A 2,
    B 3,
    C 5,
    D 4,
    E 4

    A-3.5 -One good trade his whole tenure. Numerous debacles ala Comrie and Smyth. Burned the entire future for 1 cup run. 06 makes a lot of people forget what he was.
    B-4.5 -Same man, just didn’t fall back assward into the best Dman of a generation.
    C- 5 – My boss (mostly retired CEO) does more in a week that he ever did. Genuinely no idea what his policy was. Lowe was most likely still calling most shots. At least contracts weren’t horrendous for the most part.
    D- 4.5 – One good draft. Didn’t have time or power to clean up the development. Still dome halfwit decisions (Petry, Eakins)
    E-10- Who knows where the call is coming from, but I could have made this a playoff team with the cards he was dealt. Hell Tambo probably would have.

  145. hodgkins says:

    How does Chiarelli still have a job?

    What a Mickey Mouse organization.

    The Oilers don’t deserve McDavid.

  146. "Steve Smith" says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    Sure, if somebody claimed them.

  147. Professor Q says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Manning + Petrovic + Lucic with 50% retained for Shea Weber.

    We’re trying to get OUT of cap problems.

    $11 million for Weber until 2026?

  148. Caller Zen says:

    knighttown:

    But boy oh boy, if 97 wasn’t consulted on this we’ve potentially got the beginnings of the end.

    I can see management asking for the green light, but McDavid with his maturity and professional attitude – I’d be surprised if Connor had anything personal to say about the Manning acquisition. Even the possibility of this trade should have been a non-starter, but here we are talking about it as a done deal. Crazy.

  149. "Steve Smith" says:

    workaroundaccount: A-3.5 -One good trade his whole tenure.

    The Spacek trade was excellent. The Tarnstrom, Samsonov, and Peca trades were defensible. The Roloson trade was likely an overpay, but it was a smart overpay, in that it added the last remaining piece needed to make the team a contender. And that’s just from one season. Lowe wasn’t a particularly good GM, but “one good trade” sells him dramatically short.

  150. hodgkins says:

    Caller Zen,

    Can you imagine if fans were polled about the trade prior to it happening? I mean, would there be anyone worse to the Oiler fanbase? The guy that took away McDavid for a half a year and cost him the Calder? Are you kidding me?!?

    How does this trade make sense at all? I hate this organization.

  151. Glovjuice says:

    Derek: Unfortunately for the owner he can’t have this, because for the third time in a row he has hired the wrong guy or allowed someone else to hire the wrong guy.That’s not on anyone but him so demanding playoffs at the expense of the franchises future seems a bit petulant.

    There is a strange dichotomy presented in this post where the teams options at this point are to mortgage the future for a quick 5 games and out playoff appearance, or a continuation of the neverending rebuild.

    My thought is that if management where changed, if you could find a candidate that was right for the job they could clearly see that mortgaging the future would be a waste of assets and put the team even further back and they would be able to communicate this to the owner effectively.He could then put in place a system to draft and develop, get good players keep good players, and not sign the Lucics and Russels of the world for quick fixes.

    Unfortunately that candidate isn’t coming to Edmonton.The organization has such a stench on it we don’t even know who to blame for the roster anymore.Is it Chiarelli?Is it the Boys on the Bus? Katz?

    Katz can kick and scream about playoffs all he wants, but its his men that have completely fucked up this organization and reduced fan confidence to less than zero.This is his fault and until he cuts out the cancer that he’s allowed to grow and disrupt the entire organization there will be no turning north.Just brief glimpses of what could’ve been like 2017 as the team hits a high point on drafted talent before selling it all off as it reaches its mid 20s.

    I’m really more of a Lowetide fan at this point than I am a fan of the Oilers.Mcdavid demanding a trade would be a relief as I’d get to follow him to a new organization.

    Every post by DEREK is brilliant; articulate and concise and how I would post if I had the brain power. Can we all just say that Glovjuice posted what DEREK did and call it a day – this post is EXACTLY what I think. Well, my music posts are essential and should be taken VERY seriously though.

  152. Ben says:

    Inane hockey cliches are 10% of the game–unless you don’t have them. Then they’re 110% of the game.

  153. HT Joe says:

    Gret99zky:
    Scene: Inside the Oilers dressing room.

    “Hey Brandon, remember that time you hurt Connor on purpose, ruining his rookie season and his only chance at the Calder trophy?”

    *crickets*

    If Manning didn’t break McDavid’s clavicle, the Oilers would have done better. The Hall trade may not have happened… Manning may have cost us a dynasty! Boo, hiss!

  154. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    Hearing Oilers discussing a deal with Chicago that would bring defenceman Brandon Manning to EDM.
    Still in discussion stage, but price appears to include Drake Caggiula.

    Spector

    Brandon Manning in an Oilers jersey is a cruel joke.

  155. Pescador says:

    Glovjuice: The point is that a trade that bad, at this stage in Chia’s tenure, indicates how important it is that he be fired immediately. This is the point.

    I’m well aware of your point, there are plenty of examples that you can direct people’s attention to.
    You will receive very little in the way of pushback, try to expand your criticism of Chiarelli beyond 2-3 posts per thread about Strome/Spooner & you will be applauded.
    I guarantee it!

  156. workaroundaccount says:

    "Steve Smith": The Spacek trade was excellent.The Tarnstrom, Samsonov, and Peca trades were defensible.The Roloson trade was likely an overpay, but it was a smart overpay, in that it added the last remaining piece needed to make the team a contender.And that’s just from one season.Lowe wasn’t a particularly good GM, but “one good trade” sells him dramatically short.

    Wincester, Lombardi (classic Oilers)
    Hemsky
    Stoll, Green (classic Oilers)
    Brodziak (classic Oilers)
    Dubnyk (classic Oilers)
    Cogliani (classic Oilers)
    Gagner, Nash (classic Oilers)
    Petry (a few good years, but eventually we got classic Oilers)
    Eberle
    Paajarvi

    That’s Lowe’s draft “successes” most were given away, even those that could play. That draft record is why we have had nobody over 25 who could play save Hemsky and Horcoff since 2008.

  157. Jethro Tull says:

    For some who haven’t been here long:

    Shea Weber for bit parts used to be a meme here. Just don’t mention “the rights to Omark.”

  158. Professor Q says:

    Baker Mayfield has broken the NFL Rookie QB Throwing TD Record with his 27th TD, his 3rd of the evening (in only 13 games, really).

    The Browns are back, baby!

    I see no reason why Edmonton can’t have this happiness and much, much more, anytime soon. I believe in improbable chances, and I believe in McDavid.

  159. "Steve Smith" says:

    workaroundaccount,

    Your post was not in any way responsive to mine, so I’m not sure why you quoted it.

  160. --hudson-- says:

    Now Spector is reporting Gambardella recalled. A difference maker or the next Caggiula? Think he has a chance.

  161. Pretendergast says:

    He had to make a trade to try and save the season, that’s a position of weakness. GM’s were not gonna give him anything, why are we surprised he’s losing trades? This isn’t a defence of him but like seriously, we’re not getting Doughty for a 3rd anytime soon here.

  162. OmJo says:

    According to Spector, Chiarelli talked to McDavid about bringing in Manning.

    As if the fact he had to do that didn’t set off any alarms in his head.

    What a horrible day to be a fan of this team.

  163. OmJo says:

    Bob Stauffer

    Like Petrovic, Manning will assist in the short term in helping stop cycles and provide grit and compete on the back-end.

    Long-term:
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Manning-Petrovic
    Jones-Benning

    Moar gritensity!

  164. npanciroli says:

    OmJo,

    Also, where is Gravel? Who is probably better than Manning.

  165. --hudson-- says:

    OmJo:
    According to Spector, Chiarelli talked to McDavid about bringing in Manning.

    As if the fact he had to do that didn’t set off any alarms in his head.

    What a horrible day to be a fan of this team.

    I wouldn’t go that far. It’s a bunch of deck shuffling and the only real thing of value lost was a 3rd round pick. I had more of an issue with waiving Zykov before seeing him play with a good center then flushing Wideman, Garrison or the Drake.

  166. blainer says:

    As I said when we traded for Wideman that it was not gonna move the dial. These trades won’t either.

    These trades were done to shake up the room as I am certain after all this losing to our divisional rivals the room has to be a very toxic place to be.

    Chia has put himself in this place but a shakeup had to happen. Like most of us said when predicting our point totals that health and Goaltending were what would tank the season. There are very few teams in the league who would be able to compete if they lost three of their top four D even with those who question Russell .. he is missed IMO.

    Looks like we will be talking draft again for the rest of the year. Very sad to be sure.

  167. OmJo says:

    Ryan Rishaug

    A side note to this trade, Caggiula and McDavid were close. Caggiula just got traded for Manning who was involved in the play that injured McDavid his rookie season.

    The fix is in, folks. It has to be. The Oilers are being punished for winning the McDavid lottery. Lol.

  168. OmJo says:

    –hudson–: I wouldn’t go that far.It’s a bunch of deck shuffling and the only real thing of value lost was a 3rd round pick.I had more of an issue with waiving Zykov before seeing him play with a good center then flushing Wideman, Garrison or the Drake.

    I can’t fathom the idea of Manning being an Oiler. It’s wrong not just on a personal level but on a lack of skill level. He’s not even a good player.

  169. Glovjuice says:

    Paulie: If he signed there and led Flames to Cup before the Oil, that would be the ultimate FU,…. er…. vindication!

    I might ……if this happened.

  170. Professor Q says:

    Although.

    If I did have my conspiracy hat on, which I’ve had for years but keep in my closet, I’d say perhaps Chiarelli is in fact scuttling the Oilers in tiny cuts, started years ago, and is heating up due to his own seat getting increasingly warmer.

    But I try to keep the hat off and not freak out as much as I used to.

  171. greenshifter says:

    Godspeed getting through this thread Lowetide!

  172. --hudson-- says:

    OmJo: I can’t fathom the idea of Manning being an Oiler. It’s wrong not just on a personal level but on a lack of skill level. He’s not even a good player.

    It’s probably true. But we traded away two contracts we know aren’t a fit in Edmonton for one player we don’t know if they’re a fit or not. If Manning can agitate McDavid, that could be a good ingredient to add. A player that can irritate Petterson, Gaudreau, etc.

    Personally I’m done with Chia and I don’t think this was a good move but we don’t know it’s a bad move yet.

    There’s also the chance to sell Manning and Petrovic at the deadline if our blue line gets healthy.

    Now if we had traded Berglund, Bear, Persson, Benson, etc I would be angry.

  173. cnobert says:

    I haven’t commented on this site since way back when Traktor was a regular poster. This snippet rang very true today: “I’m really more of a Lowetide fan at this point than I am a fan of the Oilers.”

    Yup. I’ve barely missed a day of LT’s work since 2006, but I rarely watch a game anymore. Lowetide, thank you so much for tirelessly sharing your talent every single day of the year.

    Now I’m off to cancel that Shaw Cable subscription that I signed up for when the Oilers were 9-2 under Hitch.

  174. Glovjuice says:

    godot10:
    Spooner has to be horrible to not be able to play over Caggiula.And we have both of them for one more season.Over 5% of the cap in those two beauties.

    Jordan Eberle for a $3.1 million dollar player who can’t play, and an extra year.

    Agreeed, as you can all well imagine. Stunningly terrible trade that, in my mind, epitomizes China’s time here: hoping, hoping hoping he has been. Stunned he was in “Harvard”.

  175. "Steve Smith" says:

    –hudson–:
    There’s also the chance to sell Manning and Petrovic at the deadline if our blue line gets healthy.

    Petrovic, for sure. But Manning wouldn’t be a rental – he has another year left after this. No deadline buyer would want him.

  176. BustedSoulO says:

    Glovjuice:
    This will assuredly cheer you all up today.

    Ok, this is killer. Black Thumbnail by Kings of Leon (yes, just before they exploded with average stuff).

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U79IamCDJz0

    Thank you.
    Really, Man.
    Thanx!

  177. RT26 says:

    I know Manning’s history provokes an emotional response and that Chiarelli and the OBC both need to go, but I think it is good to rid ourselves of two huge liabilities (Caggiula and Garrison) who were playing far more than they should and a player who does not fit into our future.

    The question now is can Chiarelli clear some cap space for 2019-20 without losing premium assets

  178. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic

    Oilers acquire Brandon Manning in a Sunday shocker, and this ought to be interesting

    https://theathletic.com/740663/2018/12/30/oilers-acquire-brandon-manning-in-a-sunday-shocker-and-this-ought-to-be-interesting/

  179. workaroundaccount says:

    RT26:
    I know Manning’s history provokes an emotional response and that Chiarelli and the OBC both need to go, but I think it is good to rid ourselves of two huge liabilities (Caggiula and Garrison) who were playing far more than they should and a player who does not fit into our future.

    The question now is can Chiarelli clear some cap space for 2019-20 without losing premium assets

    I think the better question is where do we get sone premium assets?

  180. russ99 says:

    We have two more NHL defenseman than we had yesterday and it was a mistake to overpay Caggiula, Strome and Benning in RFA.

    I don’t mind this.

    A Hawks fan friend of mine asked about the players the Hawks got, and I replied “sucker.”

  181. Professor Q says:

    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec

    Told Chiarelli tried to include Ryan Spooner in one of the deals he made Sunday, to no avail.

    The Spooner-for-Ryan-Strome deal that seemed regretful at the time is, alas, regretted.

    7:00 PM · Dec 30, 2018

  182. McSorley33 says:

    We just need ONE more 3rd pairing Dman and this team is ready to roll.

    Luke Schenn May be available……the only question is how much we should pay.

  183. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    npanciroli:
    OmJo,

    Also, where is Gravel? Who is probably better than Manning.

    And sekera who is supposedly back before Klefbom @ $5.5M…???
    Holy fuck. Please get rid of Chia before he does any more damage to this team.

  184. Alpine says:

    russ99:
    We have two more NHL defenseman than we has yesterday and it was a mistake to overpay Caggiula, Stomw and Benning in RFA.

    I don’t mind his,

    They’re on the teetering edge of being NHL Dmen, sure. Neither guy has been NHL quality this season.

  185. workaroundaccount says:

    McSorley33:
    We just need ONE more 3rd pairing Dman and this team is ready to roll.

    Luke Schenn May be available……the only question is how much we should pay.

    I’d hate to move Nuge, but that’s the price you pay.

  186. russ99 says:

    Alpine: They’re on the teetering edge of being NHL Dmen, sure. Neither guy has been NHL quality this season.

    Yeah, but anyone’s better than Wideman and Garrison.

  187. Alpine says:

    RT26:
    I know Manning’s history provokes an emotional response and that Chiarelli and the OBC both need to go, but I think it is good to rid ourselves of two huge liabilities (Caggiula and Garrison) who were playing far more than they should and a player who does not fit into our future.

    The question now is can Chiarelli clear some cap space for 2019-20 without losing premium assets

    You can get rid of Garrison for future considerations if he absolutely has to g o. It’s Chia’s fucking fault in the first place that that was the player he settled on. And he brings back a bad contract as a replacement.

  188. HenryDrix says:

    What in the hell is Chia thinking trading for Manning? Is he trying to run McDavid out of town? Any other defender, there have to be a bunch out there, but he trades for the guy that will instantly cause McDavid to vomit? WTF chia. This Oilers .org is so freaking dysfunctional. Time to become a Jets fan.

  189. Alpine says:

    russ99: Yeah, but anyone’s better than Wideman and Garrison.

    Don’t need to add overpaid 3rd pairing guys to get rid of them though. Just send Garrison away for future considerations or at least get a cheaper D for him and Caggiula.

  190. Alpine says:

    Why did Chia give a NMC to Garrison anyways? The guy played 8 NHL games last season. He spent most of his time in the AHL. Why couldn’t he do another split season between the NHL and AHL? And Chia gets commended for moving this player even though he created this problem all on his own.

  191. "Steve Smith" says:

    RT26:
    The question now is can Chiarelli clear some cap space for 2019-20 without losing premium assets

    The Manning trade reduced 2019-20 cap space.

  192. "Steve Smith" says:

    Alpine:
    Why did Chia give a NMC to Garrison anyways?

    What?

  193. Lordy Lordy Lorde says:

    This place is looking like the Oilers Facebook comment section today.

  194. Pescador says:

    Lordy Lordy Lorde:
    This place is looking like the Oilers Facebook comment section today.

    The Oilers have a Facebook page?
    Finally I have a place to post my scat videos

  195. BONE207 says:

    Pescador: The Oilers have a Facebook page?
    Finally I have a place to post my scat videos

    Is that the card game or Hunter dumping on Rogers Place Ice?

  196. Alpine says:

    Lordy Lordy Lorde:
    This place is looking like the Oilers Facebook comment section today.

    Facebook fans are probably lauding these trades for acquiring size and grit and “tuffness”.

  197. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”: What?

    I don’t think what means what you think it means.

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