Under Pressure

It’s never a good idea to have a media avail when you have no good answers, so fans shouldn’t be waiting for Peter Chiarelli to step up in the coming days. That said, Edmonton is a big little city and you’d have to be a monk or in a coma to be unaware of the rage in this cage in Edmonton city, now, today. Historically, the Oilers don’t fire people, but rather bump them upstairs. How might this go down?

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  • New Lowetide: Oilers acquire Alexander Petrovic from Panthers, flushing Chris Wideman and a 2019 third-round pick in the trade.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Struggling Oilers counting on Kris Russell to revitalize depleted defence.
  • New Minnia Feng: The head-scratching scenarios, cringe-worthy lines and questionable graphics in commercials featuring NHL players.
  • Lowetide: In a ‘Hail Mary’ roster shuffle, Oilers recall Kailer Yamamoto, waive Valentin Zykov and place Alex Chiasson on IR.
  • Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s free-agent success in 2018 may dictate Oilers big money moves in the summer of 2019.
  • Lowetide: Total recall—Who should be next on the Bakersfield-to-Edmonton shuttle?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers’ Rattie still figuring out how to play for new-old coach Ken Hitchcock.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Condors coach Jay Woodcroft has a lifetime of hockey knowledge to share and the notebooks to prove it.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Ryan Spooner for Ryan Strome trade has yet to pay dividends for the Edmonton Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 38

  • Oilers in 2015: 15-20-3, 33 points; goal differential -21
  • Oilers in 2016: 19-12-7, 45 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in 2017: 17-18-3, 37 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in 2018: 18-17-3, 39 points; goal differential -6

There’s really no difference between last year’s team and this one, and that’s probably about right. The injuries on defense derailed this team but it’s also true the lack of depth, well earned by trading draft picks and signing expensive free agents, is coming home to roost. If you were angry that Todd McLellan got fired before Peter Chiarelli, you may be heartened by recent events. Edmonton is now on pace to finish 39-37-6, 84 points. That’s a six-point improvement year over year. Ken Hitchcock is now 9-7-2 at the helm, destined (apparently) to land within inches of McLellan’s 9-10-1 after his last 20 games as Oilers’ coach.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-5-2, 14 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-4, 18 points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2017: 7-5-1, 15 points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in December 2018: 6-6-1, 13 points; goal differential -1

If you’d told me this would be the worst December of the McDavid era back about December 15 I would have called the cops. We are here. They’re bleeding now, the goalies are coming back to earth and Hitchcock doesn’t have enough defensemen to form a quorum for six, let alone ice a full six.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DECEMBER

  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 0-1-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota, Calgary (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: Colorado,Winnipeg(Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, San Jose, Winnipeg (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-4-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 6-6-1, 13 points in 13 games

It’s a good month for a losing team, an awful month for a team that fancies itself as a playoff contender. I think one of the problems currently surrounds where the fans believe the team should be and where the team itself believes they are at this time.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson played an enormous amount again and were once again overwhelmed. Went 16-17 in 16:19, 9-13 shots, 0-2 goals and 3-3 HDSC. Went 7-9 in 8:18 against Radil-Couture-Meier. I don’t think the Oilers win a game until the team can find a way to back off the minutes for this pairing.
  • Jones-Benning were 9-15 in 13:46, 8-8 shots, 2-3 goals and 1-4 HDSC. Far too high event for any pairing (five goals at 5-on-5 is unusual for a pairing) but I really like the duo. Were 6-5 in 6:09 against Kane-Hertl-Donskoi, 2-1 goals. Crazy. They are mobile and move the puck well. I like the pairing!
  • Gravel-Wideman went 3-12 in 9:30, 2-5 shots, no goals but 0-5 HDSC. Holy man this was an interesting game, five HDSC against the third pairing. Wideman took four minutes in penalties, he’s not good enough to be doing that kind of thing while staying in the lineup.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 33 of 40, .825. I think the third and fourth goals were the straw that broke the back. Edmonton has had subpar goaltending this week.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL. com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Rattie went 10-17 in 9:37, 9-9 shots and 1-1 goals. The captain was also 8-6 in 7:22 with Caggiula (2-1 goals), 2-1 in 1:54 with Yamamoto, 3-0 in 1:49 with Puljujarvi and he also spent time 5-on-5 with Kassian, Khaira, Lucic, Rieder and Brodziak. I think he spent two shifts with Donny Murdoch but my mind commenced to wandering at some point.
  • Lucic-Khaira-Yamamoto went 5-6 in 6:36, 2-2 shots and no goals. I liked the line. Lucic got an assist but on the Leon goal, and Khaira was quiet compared to recent performances. Yamamoto was solid if unspectacular. I’d like to see Khaira on the Nuge line, because passing to Lucic on a two-on-one is not a high percentage play.
  • Rieder-Brodziak-Kassian went 7-15 in 9:57, 5-9 shots and no goals. Not much shaking, this line needs to get more offensive chances (1-3 HDSC) and to cash once in awhile.
  • Caggiula-Nuge-Puljujarvi went 1-10 in 10:27, 0-2 goals (Puljujarvi), 1-8 in 6:25, no goals (Khaira) and 1-5 in 5:05, 0-2 goals (Caggiula). The Drake had a poor game, this didn’t correct much with JJ and that entire evening was a prolonged exercise in frustration. I don’t recall the last time RNH was as thoroughly flummoxed.

HITCHCOCK QUOTES

  • “You look at Ty Rattie and he had a very good game from the red line in and he struggled at the other end. I’m going to have to help him. We’re going to need players like that. And we have other young players. Jesse Puljujarvi had had two tough games now. If he’s on our team, I’m going to have to get him to play.
  • I thought it was an interesting five hours for the Rattie-Yamamoto competition. Rattie scored (or I thought he did) early in the game, but soon after had been demoted with Yamamoto moving up. It’s a fascinating view into Hitchcock’s thinking. McDavid says he likes playing with Rattie, I think the coach prefers more responsibility. Perhaps Nuge can move up and provide the defensive conscience.

DISCONNECT

I believe there is a disconnect between fans and management about the time line for winning. Fans want a winner today, management wants to stay the course and develop players via the draft and amateur procurement (Star Trek, Year of Hell). For that plan to work, the team has to win enough to keep the fans somewhat hopeful. The five-game losing streak, mostly at home, over Christmas, is a big damned headache but Peter Chiarelli can survive it.

I believe there is a disconnect between ownership and management allowing the playoffs to slip away. My guess is Katz has no issues with the development plan, as long as the team makes the playoffs in the spring. Whereas the fan anger is bothersome, the ownership ire could be terminal for this management group. Peter Chiarelli cannot survive this headache.

The Edmonton Oilers wake up this morning No. 11 of 15 western conference teams. The club is four points out of a playoff spot and six points out of being the No. 31 team in the NHL.

If the plan continues according to form (don’t make a panic move), the Oilers could be in a strong lottery position by the ides of January. I believe Peter Chiarelli and the management crew would like to hold the line, to keep the draft picks and Ethan Bear and Jesse Puljujarvi and Caleb Jones.

I think the owner wants the playoffs. Based on what we know about the inner workings of the Oilers, and the recent firing of Todd McLellan, we might expect a Learjet to arrive in the city, a limo ride to the arena, an owner yelling until he turns red as red can be, followed by quick action.

The new admin, or the current admin with an attitude adjustment, will trade the 2019 first-round pick and Ryan Spooner to the Kings for Tyler Toffoli, and then deal Jesse Puljujarvi+ to Carolina for one of their defensemen who can help.

I don’t think this season is worth saving. Honestly. Even if you add a scoring right winger and a good NHL defenseman, mortgaging the future, it’s still a tough row to hoe in making the playoffs.

Stay the course, find a way to hang in there until Oscar Klefbom returns. I have no quarrel with a management change, I suspect it is inevitable at this point. I do object to a quick change in general manager and then several deals that will mortgage the future in favor of improving today.

You canNOT make progress from here by trading young value contracts and draft picks for veterans being paid big money who carry around massive cap obligations. That’s exactly the kind of thinking that got this team into the current mess. In acquiring Griffin Reinhart, Cam Talbot, Eric Gryba and others, Peter Chiarelli made an attempt to hurry sunrise and it resulted in one playoff berth in four.

Stay the course. This can be fixed, but in June, not January.

OILERS CURRENT DRAFT PICKS 2019

  • No. 11 overall
  • No. 42 overall
  • No. 73 overall
  • No. 79 overall
  • No. 104 overall
  • No. 166 overall
  • No. 197 overall

If they’re going to trade a pick, make it the second-round selection included in a deal to send Milan Lucic to his next NHL city. That will help this organization far more than a panic deal in the early days of 2019.

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  1. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide,

    Of course, there’s only a 10% chance of that.

  2. HugThePost says:

    Joey G called up.

  3. Dicky94 says:

    HugThePost,

    He deserves a shot. Hope he makes the best of it.

  4. Ben says:

    Alpine: Why did Chia give a NMC to Garrison anyways?

    Totally understand the confusion here.

    A “no movement clause” actually applies to the player’s control over what team he plays for, and is thus not related to his relative lack of mobility in gameplay situations.

    It would be fair to say that Garrison had an age-related “no movement condition”, but he did not in fact have a “no movement clause” in his contract.

  5. drglen says:

    wow I just tuned in… hard to filter through the speculations and comments to figure out what actually went down.

    So caggula finally played himself out of town. That is good.

    Brandon will apologize to connor behind the scenes and they will be fine.

    Pretty good work today for PC … keep it going… rent 3rd pair D help that might work, and unload the non-contributors and hurters. Next has to be Lucic, although this kind of diverts attention off of lucic for the moment. But before he unloads Jesse the coach should go Khaira Nug Jesse for a couple games.. that’s the best he’s looked.

  6. drglen says:

    HugThePost:
    Joey G called up.

    really? This is good.

    Keep it coming PC/ Hitch ( and bring up bear)

  7. ArmchairGM says:

    OmJo:
    Bob Stauffer


    Like Petrovic, Manning will assist in the short term in helping stop cycles and provide grit and compete on the back-end.

    Long-term:
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Manning-Petrovic
    Jones-Benning

    Moar gritensity!

    Where do Gravel and Sekera slot?

  8. Drew says:

    ArmchairGM: Where do Gravel and Sekera slot?

    I thought we were looking for puck movers???

    Has the plan changed again???

    when did this happen???

  9. drglen says:

    ArmchairGM: Where do Gravel and Sekera slot?

    I think Jonesy has moved up the totem pole.

    They must have inside medical or just visual info and they have zero confidence in Sekera ( and will be too late if/when he finally plays) … Gravel probably has to go back down for a while.

  10. drglen says:

    Drew: I thought we were looking for puck movers???

    Has the plan changed again???

    when did this happen???

    Can’t afford puck movers ( and not offered… extremely valuable commodity) … . but we do have Bear… who we should bring up. Just saying. They will bring him up, but these trades are prudent before doing that.

  11. Bling says:

    ArmchairGM: Where do Gravel and Sekera slot?

    I don’t understand any of this.

    The problem is that two top 4 D are out. So you replace them with…two bottom pairing D? That’s the plan? Seems like a total desperation move.

    I think Gravel and Sekera are better than both. What are they going to do with these guys once Klef/Russell return?

  12. Pescador says:

    Samarukov with a classy goal

  13. OilClog says:

    Chia is determined to show everyone how you burn it down, gut the talent, fill it with dung, wait for the best player in the world to demand a trade.

    Hopefully he stays out west somewhere so he can be properly cheered on crushing the Oilers for the next 15yrs.

    What kind of dipshit trades for a 2.5mil 7th defender, the fact no one stopped it in management, fire everything including the whiteboards.

    Bushleague

  14. Pescador says:

    3-2 SUI over Glorious Russia

  15. OilClog says:

    drglen:
    wow I just tuned in… hard to filter through the speculations and comments to figure out what actually went down.

    So caggula finally played himself out of town.That is good.

    Brandon will apologize to connor behind the scenes and they will be fine.

    Pretty good work today for PC … keep it going… rent 3rd pair D help that might work, and unload the non-contributors and hurters.Next has to be Lucic, although this kind of diverts attention off of lucic for the moment.But before he unloads Jesse the coach should go Khaira Nug Jesse for a couple games.. that’s the best he’s looked.

    Put the keyboard down Pete you’re drunk

  16. drglen says:

    OilClog:
    Chia is determined to show everyone how you burn it down, gut the talent, fill it with dung, wait for the best player in the world to demand a trade.

    Hopefully he stays out west somewhere so he can be properly cheered on crushing the Oilers for the next 15yrs.

    What kind of dipshit trades for a 2.5mil 7th defender, the fact no one stopped it in management, fire everything including the whiteboards.

    Bushleague

    sekera won’t be ready, klefbom longer than expected, russell… who knows.. 3rd pairing at present ( call it Gravel Benning) not able.. so really 4th pairing… you rent a third pairing because you need to spread the time evening ( say 18-20 minutes each pair) .. to attempt to solidify defense in what really is an emergency situation.

  17. Biggus Dickus says:

    OilClog:
    Chia is determined to show everyone how you burn it down, gut the talent, fill it with dung, wait for the best player in the world to demand a trade.

    Hopefully he stays out west somewhere so he can be properly cheered on crushing the Oilers for the next 15yrs.

    What kind of dipshit trades for a 2.5mil 7th defender, the fact no one stopped it in management, fire everything including the whiteboards.

    Bushleague

    Always felt like I could cheer for Seattle. Gary Payton was always fun to watch. And Beast Mode too. City might be a little too hipster for me, but I like the swagger of the Seahawks. If they don’t botch the name and the Oil are still not competitive, then I’m joining team Seattle.

  18. "Steve Smith" says:

    Ben,

    Very well played.

  19. drglen says:

    Pescador:
    3-2 SUI over Glorious Russia

    Switzerland is tough… great athletes and I’m pretty sure I read that they invest in their youth development and training. Russia also looks good though… will be interesting, but ya I thought Russia looked a little cocky at times.

  20. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Manning’s fancies:

    TOI vs Elite forwards

    15/16: 22% – 3rd pair
    16/17: 30% – low 2nd pair high 3rd pair
    17/18: 32% – 2nd pair

    Relative Team mate CF%:
    Player Season RelT CF%
    BRANDON.MANNING 2015-2016 1.97
    BRANDON.MANNING 2016-2017 0.46
    BRANDON.MANNING 2017-2018 0.54
    BRANDON.MANNING 2018-2019 -2.78

    Ok results up until this year. Nothing to write home about

    Relative Team mate GF%:
    Player Season RelT GF%
    BRANDON.MANNING 2015-2016 2.41
    BRANDON.MANNING 2016-2017 -5.25
    BRANDON.MANNING 2017-2018 3.63
    BRANDON.MANNING 2018-2019 -22.62

    Up and down here.

    Like Petrovic, this year is putrid.

    I looked and there are 596 NHL players who have played at least 200 minutes this year.

    In terms of Relative Team mate 5v5 Goal Share (total of the WOWY):

    Petrovic ranks 553rd
    Manning ranks 588th

    Ok then.

    Note: when you’re getting hammered that hard you have a shitty PDO

    Petrovic PDO 951
    Manning PDO 929

  21. HugThePost says:

    Dicky94:
    HugThePost,

    He deserves a shot. Hope he makes the best of it.

    Yep. It’s about the most normal sensical thing that has happened with the team today

  22. digger50 says:

    Alright already, alright already!

    Draft and develop

  23. leadfarmer says:

    I’m excited to here the verbal from the org in two months about how shocked they are that the guys they got are crap

  24. jtblack says:

    PC is a Farmer.

    He tills manure. Swaps out crap for crap. SHELL GAME

  25. texmex says:

    Samaurkov called for two penalty shots against….. on the same play!!!!!

    WTF!!!! How is that possible

  26. flyfish1168 says:

    ArmchairGM: Where do Gravel and Sekera slot?

    When the trade deadline comes things will be more clear.

  27. jtblack says:

    Brininging in Manning tells me PC is going to move a LHD ??

  28. jake70 says:

    There’s a 32yo right shot D over in France they should take a look at. Stats this year for Grenoble in the French league 27 6-14==20. Name is Sebastian Bisaillon. 😉

  29. Pescador says:

    drglen: Switzerland is tough…great athletes

    Bunch of chocolate eating Yodelers if you ask me,
    Where is the Nazi gold?

  30. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM: Where do Gravel and Sekera slot?

    Acquiring Manning should be a firing offense. Poor player and a goon. That would make me stop watching.

  31. rickithebear says:

    Everyone should look at 15-16 to 17-18 and look at sum of even assists by our current dmen and the 2 acquired dmen.

    Petrovic has average block and miss per gm rates.
    But elite closed shot %/CA.

    We miss 2 top end closed shot dmen.
    Sekera and Russell

  32. OmJo says:

    Manning is Chiarelli’s farewell song. $2.250M of next seasons cap space is locked away in a 7D. This is Chiarelli laying the red carpet for his replacement.

  33. BONE207 says:

    OmJo:
    Manning is Chiarelli’s farewell song. $2.250M of next seasons cap space is locked away in a 7D. This is Chiarelli laying the red carpet for his replacement.

    Red carpet???
    If he is replaced, rubber boots will be required.

  34. RonnieB says:

    At least we can now be certain that Chiarelli is operating with a free hand; there is no way the Red Wine Summit would have given their OK on the Manning trade.

  35. geowal says:

    If Zack Kassian can be welcomed here I think Manning has a chance.

  36. nelson88 says:

    Samorukov with a goal and assist to go with penalties through 40 minutes. Didn’t have a great Oilers camp but have watched him play a couple ohl games this year where he has looked very good. Also logging big minutes for Russia at U20. Has the tools to be a good 3 or 4 dman. Will take patience but my sleeper pick to have a better NHL career than some of the more heralded prospects

  37. OmJo says:

    rickithebear,

    Missed the chance this morning but it’s nice to see you still posting !

  38. OmJo says:

    geowal:
    If Zack Kassian can be welcomed here I think Manning has a chance.

    Kassian didn’t purposefully swing his stick at Gagners jaw.

  39. OmJo says:

    BONE207: Red carpet???
    If he is replaced, rubber boots will be required.

    It was red when he arrived.

  40. rickithebear says:

    When judging offence.
    Goal density/ pocession is the best measure.
    Players with high sh/60 and high career shooting% are goal density players you want.
    The switch of hall for lucic was 2 like goal density players.
    Hall with higher shot volume and lower career shooting % less games played
    Lucic lower shot volume but higher career shooting%, superior gm played rate.

    Thier is a clear change in lucic Open shot targeting rate.
    Which is directly proportional to high shooting% success.
    An erosion of team g density/ pocession.
    The removal Eberle further eroded team density/ pocession

    Our replacement have low shooting% with average shot volume.
    Further erosion of g density/ pocession.

    Hall and Eberle removal in back to back seasons is too much goal density success to remove
    In a short period of time.

    Eberle trade was the unforgivable move.

  41. Rondo says:

    I don’t know what people expect from Chiarelli, he’s a horrible GM. This is in his wheelhouse.

  42. Ryan says:

    OmJo:
    Manning is Chiarelli’s farewell song. $2.250M of next seasons cap space is locked away in a 7D. This is Chiarelli laying the red carpet for his replacement.

    Brilliant trade by Stan Bowman.

    You can buyout Caggiula for virtually nothing if you have to this summer. 250k x 2.

    Manning on the other hand

    916k then 666k.

    The Oilers were incredibly foolish to not fire Chiarelli this past summer.

  43. leadfarmer says:

    Spector saying that Chia was trying to move Spooner in today’s trade discussions but no one wanted him.
    We’re so screwed
    Can this team with Katz and brian trust move to Houston yet so we can get an expansion franchise.
    Just leave us Mcdavid Drai and Nuge

  44. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Ryan,

    The Oilers were incredibly foolish to hire Chia with the Seguin trade on his resume. Or the Kessel trade. Or the Wheeler trade.

  45. Ryan says:

    Ryan: Brilliant trade by Stan Bowman.

    You can buyout Caggiula for virtually nothing if you have to this summer. 250k x 2.

    Manning on the other hand

    916k then 666k.

    The Oilers were incredibly foolish to not fire Chiarelli this past summer.

    Oilers Summer 2019 Buyout List

    – Brandon Manning

    – Ryan Spooner

    Oilers Summer 2019 Potential Buyout List

    – Milan Lucic

    – Andrej Sekera

    – kris Russell

    – Zac Kassian

    – Brodziak

  46. Glovjuice says:

    knighttown:
    I had forgotten about that McDavid quote about Manning.He really doesn’t like the guy, or didn’t at the time anyway.

    So where’s the upside here?

    Even if McDavid continues to be Saint Connor and welcomes him with open arms you’re still getting a quite overpaid 3rd pairing defenseman on a team that employs about a dozen of them.And he has term.

    But boy oh boy, if 97 wasn’t consulted on this we’ve potentially got the beginnings of the end.

    And also…
    This organization is too “classy” to pick up Mike Hoffman for nothing but are willing to take the ONE PLAYER in the NHL that Connor McDavid hates.

    I would say that it is not out of the realm of possibility that Chia the Harvard man, albeit participaction version, forgot about that Manning induced injury.

  47. Ryan says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Ryan,

    The Oilers were incredibly foolish to hire Chia with the Seguin trade on his resume. Or the Kessel trade. Or the Wheeler trade.

    Yes.

    Also, It’s incredible Chiarelli is a man completely unable to learn from past mistakes right down to Chris Kelly’s last contract.

  48. McSorley33 says:

    leadfarmer,

    Eberle to Strome to Spooner…..and you just found out nobody wants the guy you just traded for.

    Forget firing. Wouldn’t the honourable thing be to resign?

    The frantic moves tell me PC was formally told playoffs or your fired.

  49. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Forget about value contracts, how many reasonable contracts do the Oilers have? McDavid, Nuge, Klef and Larsson? Maybe Drai.

    With the current contract/cap situation I just do not see this team being competitive for 2-3 years. You can only buyout so many players. Better to just wait out a few contracts. Maybe you can trade Russell? After next season Brodziak, Kassian, Manning, and Spooner are off the books. That is about 10M.

  50. leadfarmer says:

    So what crappy player with term are we trading Talbot for?

  51. Dr. Taboggan says:

    leadfarmer,

    Your man, James Neal!

  52. Glovjuice says:

    BustedSoulO: Thank you.
    Really, Man.
    Thanx!

    Cheers! One of my favourite songs in the last 15 years for sure.

  53. leadfarmer says:

    Chia is so bad. And we even gave up a good draft pick for him. The league should really give us a refund

  54. leadfarmer says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    leadfarmer,

    Your man, James Neal!

    Was thinking along the lines of Andy McDonald but that one is pretty bad too.
    I still find it funny that the Flames looked at the Lucic contract and said yeah we’re cool with that.

  55. jtblack says:

    These guys are all professionals; but you can’t tell me it wont be a little bit awkward for Manning to walk into the dressing room to meet everyone.

    This is Lucic, he sticked you in the nuts 2 yrs ago

    This is Kassian. He chased you around and glared at you.

    This is Connor. The one you said you “purposely hurt”.

    Welcome to the team Pal!

  56. BustedSoulO says:

    lolol

    That’s hilarious!!!!

    This entire day started on-line, with me seeing your post, at what? the second post of the day?

    I’ve been on here this whole damn day, and finally – just righthererightnow – found this, last post on the list, at the end of it!

    LOTS of “LOL’s” today, but this was the sweetest!

    Thanx again, Juice!

    😉

    P.S. – Don’t even get me started on chia…

    Holy shit.

    …ass-CLOWN!

    What a day… G’nite.

    Glovjuice,

    Glovjuice: Cheers! One of my favourite songs in the last 15 years for sure.

  57. dcsj says:

    Don’t like the trade for Manning, but article on Oilers site says Connor “reached out” to him, whatever that means

  58. razor says:

    I’ve got one question. If Chia was planning to drop these two trades today, why did he waive Zykov? With a recall, Garmbrella is now our only extra forward. Zykov could have had an opportunity in Caggiula’s absence. Doesn’t make sense, maybe another shoe to drop?

  59. Scungilli Slushy says:

    geowal:
    If Zack Kassian can be welcomed here I think Manning has a chance.

    Not quite the same thing

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ryan: Stolen from Marshall M comment at the athletic.

    In the last year or so Chiarelli has traded:
    3rd for a rental
    4th for Aberg
    5th for Montoya
    6th for Wideman


    That’s half a draft traded away for players that won’t be on the team by the end of the year. You can’t trade away half a draft per year in the new NHL and expect to be successful.

    Chia is fair game, but at least try to be fair about it. The 6th was a free pick for Jerabek. I know Chia has acquired at least one 3rd rounder as well. The Aberg trade was a pick acquired for Letestu.

  61. Primetime says:

    razor:
    I’ve got one question. If Chia was planning to drop these two trades today, why did he waive Zykov? With a recall, Garmbrella is now our only extra forward. Zykov could have had an opportunity in Caggiula’s absence. Doesn’t make sense, maybe another shoe to drop?

    My thought exactly. Doesn’t make sense not to hang on to Zykov to at least try him for a game in the top six if Caggiula is going.
    Almost like Chia has no plan and these trades were knee jerk reactions to a single bad game, without any planning or forethought….that could never happen could it?

  62. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Not quite the same thing

    OMG I thought you guys were joking. Puke. Fire him immediately. I believe he had terrible Woodmoneys.

  63. DBO says:

    They will deal one of russell or Sekera this summer when they are able. You know, get out from under another bad deal. Dealt by the guy who signed them.

    Lucic will not move. Cause it would cost the 1st to do it

    And unfortunately Chia will move a young dman and pick for a winger at the deadline or sooner. Trying to save his job.

    Confidence in Chia has to be at all time low. But how does the Org let him deal for 2 back end stay at home dman? Wtf. It has to be the mustache. It is mesmerizing.

    And what is even more messed is that when our dman are all healthy none of our 2 acquisitions are likely to play. For sure 1 will sit, and Petrovic could certainly be sat. Unless there is some evil genius and Nurse is a part of a deal for a top end RH dman like Pietrangelo or Parayko.

  64. LMHF#1 says:

    razor:
    I’ve got one question. If Chia was planning to drop these two trades today, why did he waive Zykov? With a recall, Garmbrella is now our only extra forward. Zykov could have had an opportunity in Caggiula’s absence. Doesn’t make sense, maybe another shoe to drop?

    Because he can’t think a step ahead…let alone 3…

  65. Bling says:

    jtblack:
    These guys are all professionals; but you can’t tell me it wont be a little bit awkward for Manning to walk into the dressing room to meet everyone.

    This is Lucic, he sticked you in the nuts 2 yrs ago

    This is Kassian.He chased you around and glared at you.

    This is Connor. The one you said you “purposely hurt”.

    Welcome to the team Pal!

    I could understand the thought process if it was an impact or semi-impact player coming in.

    But this guy might not even be a third pairing d-man on this team now, never mind when Russell and Klef are back.

    Strange days.

  66. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Drake could score a goal here and there when on the top two lines, however, he gave up WAY more than he provided and the team is better without him in the lineup – poor decisions all over the ice, low hockey IQ and terrible positionally. Tenacity could not make up for it.

    Garrison and Caggiula were two players that made the team worse when on the ice.

    Funny thing is after last game I was just boarding the hate Drake train. Now everyone seems to love him. I wouldn’t hate the trade if Manning was signed for only this year. But an extra year at 2.25 is not good. Makes zero sense.

  67. jtblack says:

    Bling: I could understand the thought process if it was an impact or semi-impact player coming in.

    But this guy might not even be a third pairing d-man on this team now, never mind when Russell and Klef are back.

    Strange days.

    it wont be a big deal; but deep down Connor has to wonder wtf the GM is doing? if there was 1 player that Connor wouldnt want, Manning is it.

    I know Connor will welcome him, what choice does he have?

    This is us!

  68. drglen says:

    Hes probably going to move benning now.

  69. drglen says:

    Lucic problem persists.spooner problem persists. Couple more guys you litetally cannot play. Zuccarello still avail ? You can at least play him

  70. Glovjuice says:

    Rondo:
    I don’t know what people expect from Chiarelli, he’s a horrible GM. This is in his wheelhouse.

    Thank you. This is precisely the thing. What do we all expect. Gawd, he even tried to include SPOONER today but no takers.

  71. godot10 says:

    npanciroli:
    I’m shocked Caggiula didn’t have more value tbh. Although I wonder if Chia even looked.

    Caggiula is an AHL player.

    I feel better knowing that Hitchcock was showcasing him, when he was deploying him.

  72. drglen says:

    Got to think morale might just be a tad bit low on team at the moment.

  73. Ryan says:

    jtblack:
    These guys are all professionals; but you can’t tell me it wont be a little bit awkward for Manning to walk into the dressing room to meet everyone.

    This is Lucic, he sticked you in the nuts 2 yrs ago

    This is Kassian.He chased you around and glared at you.

    This is Connor. The one you said you “purposely hurt”.

    Welcome to the team Pal!

    Well, look at the bright side.

    At least it sends a stern warning around the league.

    Take liberties agsinst one of our players and we will acquire you.

    You think Lucic is the deterent…

    If this isn’t the ultimate deterent, I don’t know what is…

    You think Getzlaf is sleeping soundly tonight?

  74. Glovjuice says:

    BustedSoulO:
    lolol

    That’s hilarious!!!!

    This entire day started on-line, with me seeing your post, at what? the second post of the day?

    I’ve been on here this whole damn day, and finally– just righthererightnow – found this, last post on the list, at the end of it!

    LOTS of “LOL’s” today, but this was the sweetest!

    Thanx again, Juice!

    P.S. – Don’t even get me started on chia…

    Holy shit.

    …ass-CLOWN!

    What a day…G’nite.

    Glovjuice,

    nite.

  75. flea says:

    I think both these moves are just short term stop gaps. They need to try to stop the bleeding. All I’ll say is that the team has two better third pairing defenders today than they did yesterday. Maybe not ideal but better than had.

    I actually think this move stabilizes the defence considerably.

  76. Alpine says:

    It’s classic Chia to need a rental LHD and a RHD with term and to get them mixed up.

    I’ve calmed down about Manning. His results been okay before, as WG showed.

    He’s just not really needed once Klefbom comes back. Maybe they can flip for a RH when the time comes. Or maybe they do the unthinkable and flip Russell.

  77. Professor Q says:

    drglen:
    Got to think morale might just be a tad bit low on team at the moment.

    Low morale will continue until the beatings improve.

  78. JimmyV1965 says:

    jtblack:
    These guys are all professionals; but you can’t tell me it wont be a little bit awkward for Manning to walk into the dressing room to meet everyone.

    This is Lucic, he sticked you in the nuts 2 yrs ago

    This is Kassian.He chased you around and glared at you.

    This is Connor. The one you said you “purposely hurt”.

    Welcome to the team Pal!

    These guys are professional hockey players. I don’t think it will be an issue at all. McDavid is no shrinking violet either. Guys are enemies one day and allies the next. Happens all the time.

  79. greenshifter says:

    I would take Petrovic & Manning over Garrison Caggiula & Wideman anyday. I believe this gives the team a better chance to win now. Can’t it just be that simple?

  80. Pescador says:

    Professor Q: Low morale will continue until the beatings improve.

    I think I’m starting to enjoy the beatings
    Great line btw Professor

  81. 106 and 106 says:

    This thread is great entertainment. LT said it best, this team can be fixed in June not December.

  82. 106 and 106 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Russell played for CGY
    Kassian for VYR

    Same crest now and all.

  83. Jethro Tull says:

    106 and 106:
    This thread is great entertainment. LT said it best, this team can be fixed in June not December.

    Like the previous 10 Junes and the next 10 Junes. At some point ypu got to say “fuck it, shall we give winning a try?”

  84. godot10 says:

    OmJo: Kassian didn’t purposefully swing his stick at Gagners jaw.

    Yes he did. It was “accidentally” on purpose.

  85. drglen says:

    Maybe we’ve become more interesting to the Toronto media than how great the leafs are. producer/control room: “guys, should we lead with Tavares 5 point night or the latest in the oilers drama/? Roger that… cue the oilers .. ready in 3..2.. ‘…

  86. BONE207 says:

    After all the hoopla today, what if this team wins 4 in a row? Like I said earlier. Exciting couple of weeks ahead.

  87. Alpine says:

    greenshifter:
    I would take Petrovic & Manning over Garrison Caggiula & Wideman anyday.I believe this gives the team a better chance to win now. Can’t it just be that simple?

    I’d agree but the salary cap is a thing.

  88. drglen says:

    BONE207:
    After all the hoopla today, what if this team wins 4 in a row? Like I said earlier. Exciting couple of weeks ahead.

    Who’s going to the game tomorrow? ( who has like 700$ to blow off, just because..) .. If they beat the jets, you never know. Hmm, would those guys even be there tomorrow?

    I was just thinking to myself ” Hey baby, great news, pack your bags … I’ve been traded to Edmonton, oh ya and it’s minus 19.” I’m not sure that work vs home life dynamics is super awesome right now.

  89. Pescador says:

    drglen:
    Lucic problem persists.spooner problem persists. Couple more guys you litetally cannot play.Zuccarello still avail ? You can at least play him

    Ya but we can’t pay him, so that’s a problem

  90. Pescador says:

    drglen:
    Maybe we’ve become more interesting to the Toronto media than how great the leafs are.producer/control room: “guys, should we lead with Tavares 5 point night or the latest in the oilers drama/?Roger that… cue the oilers .. ready in 3..2.. ‘…

    Duthie:
    “File this one under wtf!”

  91. Pescador says:

    BONE207:
    After all the hoopla today, what if this team wins 4 in a row? Like I said earlier. Exciting couple of weeks ahead.

    I plan on getting pretty loaded these next couple of weeks,
    that should be exciting

  92. drglen says:

    Pescador: Ya but we can’t pay him, so that’s a problem

    ah, no mulah to pay… that is a problem. Well , out of the box solutions. I know a guy , who knows a guy, lets just say your house, family vacations to disneyland for the next 10 years, plus your kids tuition at harvard are ‘free’…. as a gift, for coming to Edmonton. Also, I’ve got 2000 shares in aurora Cannabis that , you know, I’m not using right now… you can have them. free. Katz has connections… grease the wheel.. make things go smoother… … oh dang I suppose there are laws about these things aren’t there.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador:
    3-2 SUI over Glorious Russia

    Russia will continue to have problems at this tournament when they refuse to include players like Krill Maksimov for “political reasons” and disregard that such a player should be a lock for the team on merit.

  94. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar: Russia will continue to have problems at this tournament when they refuse to include players like Krill Maksimov for “political reasons” and disregard that such a player should be a lock for the team on merit.

    Political reasons? Did he say or do something wrong?

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    nelson88:
    Samorukov with a goal and assist to go with penalties through 40 minutes. Didn’t have a great Oilers camp but have watched him play a couple ohl games this year where he has looked very good. Also logging big minutes for Russia at U20.Has the tools to be a good 3 or 4 dman. Will take patience but my sleeper pick to have a better NHL career than some of the more heralded prospects

    With Ryan McFadden turning pro, Samorukov has received some more offensive responsibility and PP time (although still behind Merkley in that area). For a “defence first” d-man, which he is, he is showing that his skating and puck moving are plus skills that may be able to translate to offence at the next level.

    I’m excited and intrigued to see how he does in Bakersfield next year.

    —————————-

    Speaking of prospects, last day to get Ryan McLeod signed and have his contract eligible to slide next year (if he doesn’t play 10 NHL games) – I’ve finally given up on that dream. Nice work by his agent not allowing that contract to be signed in the 2018 calendar year. I assume he’ll sign shortly after the turn of the calendar – sigh.

  96. jtblack says:

    Ryan: Well, look at the bright side.

    At least it sends a stern warning around the league.

    Take liberties agsinst one of our players and we will acquire you.

    You think Lucic is the deterent…

    If this isn’t the ultimate deterent, I don’t know what is…

    You think Getzlaf is sleeping soundly tonight?

    +1.

    Lucic is a deterent. To all pucks. He scares them from going in the net. 🙂

  97. Lowetide says:

    Welcome back (or back to a computer) OP.

  98. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Have you looked at the cap implications of today’s transactions?

    We’re eating into Sekera’s LTIR by over $2m.

    I wouldn’t imagine that you’re very happy about that.

  99. OmJo says:

    BONE207:
    After all the hoopla today, what if this team wins 4 in a row? Like I said earlier. Exciting couple of weeks ahead.

    If this team wins 4 in a row then McDavid will be emitting more radiation that Chernobyl.

  100. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    Welcome back (or back to a computer) OP.

    Sorry for venting so many posts on you site today.

    Watching Oilers management make these ongoing litany of poor decisions is exasperating.

  101. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Yes he did.It was “accidentally” on purpose.

    Kassian was bad but Gagner wasn’t the best player in the world and the hope and future of the franchise. I’ve never bought into much Connor wanting out but if anything would make a young guy start to wonder. If Connor or Mr McDavid said anything to the team this would be a thing to motivate.

  102. jtblack says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Kassian was bad but Gagner wasn’t the best player in the world and the hope and future of the franchise. I’ve never bought into much Connor wanting out but if anything would make a young guy start to wonder. If Connor or Mr McDavid said anything to the team this would be a thing to motivate.

    to all “The Connor wants out” crowd How exactly can Connor leave?

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Welcome back (or back to a computer) OP.

    Thanks – not back yet but am off the boat (7 days on a 53 foot Catamaran) and am enjoying a couple of days on the mainland in Colombo at the Shangri-La – definitely needed some pampering after 7 days on the sail boat.

    The long journey home starts tonight (well, the morning of January 1, technically, at 4:45am) – Colombo to Abu Dhabi to Toronto to Calgary – in late on January 1.

    I’ve kept up to speed on thing on my phone, generally, but didn’t want to roam too much – sounds like I picked a perfect time for an Oiler fan like me to be away from most social media posting.

  104. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack: to all “The Connor wants out” crowdHow exactly can Connor leave?

    By asking. What do you say if he’s unhappy? Firethemall might work. This isn’t Lucic we’re worried about.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Have you looked at the cap implications of today’s transactions?

    We’re eating into Sekera’s LTIR by over $2m.

    I wouldn’t imagine that you’re very happy about that.

    No, I have have not – the 31 degrees and sunny called for pool time this morning and now we are off for some temples and markets, etc.

    Yup, that’s not great, however, at the end of the day, eating in to LTIR relief by $2M is no different than eating in to it by $1.00 except for the magnitude of transaction that may need to be undertaken to get compliant when Sekera is activated.

    Whether they are in to the relief by $1.00 or $2M, they are still not accumulating any cap space daily to bank and use for later.

    Lets not forget, our total daily cap hit includes all players on both IR and LTIR so, when Klefbom is activated, someone will get sent down and their cap hit disappears (well $1,050,000 of it), same thing with Chiasson’s activation and Russell’s activation.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: Sorry for venting so many posts on you site today.

    Watching Oilers management make these ongoing litany of poor decisions is exasperating.

    I’m not actually sure what site you are talking about and what venting posts you are talking about?

  107. slopitch says:

    I cant figure out what the oilers are gonna do with all these 5-7 dmen.

    Oilers are marginally better but cost more. Chai buggered the cap and continues to make it worse. They lose a winger who drags possession and Garrison/Wideman who arent nhl players though. Im just not sure about spending assets for little gains.

    I just cant see the plan once Klef, Sekera and Russel return. Is the plan to flip Russell or Manning? Is 77 hurt longer than originally announced? The more Chai does the harder the job of the next gm. Another pick gone and cap money spent. Lets hope Manning and Petrovic can return to previous years levels.

  108. BONE207 says:

    Pescador: I plan on getting pretty loaded these next couple of weeks,
    that should be exciting

    Smartest thing I’ve heard all day. I’ll start tomorrow morning

  109. BONE207 says:

    drglen: ah,no mulah to pay… that is a problem.Well , out of the box solutions.I know a guy , who knows a guy, lets just say your house, family vacations to disneyland for the next 10 years, plus your kids tuition at harvard are ‘free’…. as a gift, for coming to Edmonton.Also, I’ve got 2000 shares in aurora Cannabis that , you know, I’m not using right now… you can have them. free. Katz has connections… grease the wheel.. make things go smoother… …oh dang I suppose there are laws about these things aren’t there.

    So….about this guy…

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    slopitch:
    I cant figure out what the oilers are gonna do with all these 5-7 dmen.

    Oilers are marginally better but cost more. Chai buggered the cap and continues to make it worse. They lose a winger who drags possession and Garrison/Wideman who arent nhl players though. Im just not sure about spending assets for little gains.

    I just cant see the plan once Klef, Sekera and Russel return. Is the plan to flip Russell or Manning? Is 77 hurt longer than originally announced? The more Chai does the harder the job of the next gm. Another pick gone and cap money spent. Lets hope Manning and Petrovic can return to previous years levels.

    The Oilers and many teams seem to feel that when they can’t compete it’s about size and the ability to play a hard game.

    That can be true as the league is full of strong talented players. But what wins is ability in any package. Certainly it’s easier and cheaper to find bigger stronger players than more talented players.

    The players going out are good choices, it remains to be seen if those coming in make any difference.

  111. Ribs says:

    Drew: I thought we were looking for puck movers???

    Has the plan changed again???

    when did this happen???

    Hitchcock prefers that the puck does not move.

  112. Ribs says:

    slopitch: I cant figure out what the oilers are gonna do with all these 5-7 dmen.

    lol. Says every Oilers fan for the last decade.

  113. Zelepukin says:

    Ribs: lol. Says every Oilers fan for the last decade.

    Hope that Hitch can turn some of them into wingers?

    Trying to think outside the box here.

  114. drglen says:

    slopitch:
    I cant figure out what the oilers are gonna do with all these 5-7 dmen.

    intersquad softball team. D vs Forwards. Yawney is allowed to play for the D squad,

  115. drglen says:

    Zelepukin: Hope that Hitch can turn some of them into wingers?

    Trying to think outside the box here.

    Burns and Bucky both played some forward. Crazy idea, but if any of those guys are actually converted forwards… that might be interesting.

  116. Zelepukin says:

    drglen: Burns and Bucky both played some forward.Crazy idea, but if any of those guys are actually converted forwards… that might be interesting.

    They can’t score less than Lucic, or meat hands the puck around as badly, so I can’t see the harm in trying?

  117. SwedishPoster says:

    Let’s get all the NHL D with shitty puckhandling.
    Also one of the worst swedish D to get himself drafted in Robin Norell. Good times.

  118. workaroundaccount says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Let’s get all the NHL D with shitty puckhandling.
    Also one of the worst swedish D to get himself drafted in Robin Norell. Good times.

    Better team bulding than Tebow and Sanchez on the same team.

  119. YKOil says:

    Fine with the Petrovic trade, would have been happier had it been a 4th round pick, but I deem it an okay trade.

    Not a Caggiula fan and was ready for him to go but that doesn’t make me happy with the Manning trade, the extra year being the killer for me. Russell is coming back and we just picked up a RHD so why add a depth LHD (with Klefbom and Sekera incoming Feb)? Lest anyone thinks we will just trade Russell or Sekera at the trade deadline or off-season and that we’ll be fine as we have Manning to step up – what f*(king planet are you on? Manning is nowhere near as good as Sekera or Russell and the idea is to get BETTER and not worse.

    The Manning trade makes no sense. Spooner for Manning is a trade I would have been okay with.

    The Spooner news doesn’t surprise me at all. Just makes me sad.

    Now I am worried about the next shoe to drop. Would breathe a sigh of relief if only Gravel goes but, honestly, will still be pissed off as Gravel is, exactly, the right combination of performance-to-price that we need for this team given its Cap situation.

    This was not a mixed day for PC as the scuttlebutt on Spooner is a searing indictment on PC’s overall body of work. From having a 1st line RW, albeit one who couldn’t drive a line, to having a player no one wants… is Milbury levels of bad.

  120. Wilde says:

    It’s so weird.

    Throw out the player evaluations for a second, and combine the news of the day from Chiarelli to the news of the day from Hitchcock.

    Here are the lines from practice, before and after the shuffle.

    (The after version is less a speculation as to deployment and more a depth chart extension based on salary; ability; Bob Stauffer’s tweet having Petrovic over Benning)

    Khaira – McDavid – Rattie

    Caggiula – RNH – Puljujärvi

    Rieder – Draisaitl – Yamamoto

    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian

    (Spooner)

    Nurse – Russell

    Jones – Larsson

    Gravel – Benning

    Khaira – McDavid – Rattie

    Spooner – RNH – Puljujärvi

    Rieder – Draisaitl – Yamamoto

    Gambardella – Brodziak – Kassian

    (Lucic)

    Nurse – Russell

    Jones – Larsson

    Manning – Petrovic

    Gravel – Benning

    Let’s think about two things –

    1) How long does this team typically sit on NHL-level players who aren’t playing? In this case, Gravel-Benning are both guys who can play.

    2) I’m pretty sure they’re over the cap now when Sekera comes back.

    To add to this, Milan’s likely going to be healthy scratched soon, but the coach has never trusted Spooner, and Gambardella coming up and playing every game would be markedly different than the handling of Patrick Russell.

    I think Joe G. has a chance of being able to straight up play the Brodziak’s line, turn more pucks over on the forecheck and look for/get inside chances more often than either of the regular wingers there. I’ve talked about this in the last few weeks but I truly believe he could plausibly play that game at an NHL level as an every-day guy.

    I don’t know if the org thinks that, though. And if they don’t, then both Lucic and Spooner have to be playing. Lucic has been trending down under Hitchcock (in time-on-ice) and Spooner’s never been a trusted guy despite being the only centre available during a time where Hitchcock was working away desperately trying to make the lines work with three of the skill C’s on two lines. Hitchcock was never going to fall in love with the game he plays, but other layers of the overall circumstance benefitted him on paper.

    Yamamoto also /just/ got here.

    So two forwards have been subtracted from the mix, coinciding with a need for wingers as a result of the deployment switching to the unicorn model, coinciding with an impending salary cap surplus, coinciding with two D-men who are likely going to play being added, coinciding with another D-man coming back from injury, coinciding with another on the horizon.

    Something’s up.

    I remain spooked of the (hypothetical, for now) deal.

  121. Zelepukin says:

    What is up is that Hitch is looking for players who can impact the game and Chia is doing nothing but acquiring players who are incapable of doing so. It has to all be very political. There is no other reason why Lucic is even in the lineup. It’s the Ference scenario all over again. Does anyone really know if his injury warranted being LITR? I always felt that it probably wasn’t and because he was captain and expectations were high plus he was incredibly terrible, untradeable and incapable of playing in the NHL, we put him on LITR as the safest solution to ignore the screw-up in the first place.

    Now Hitch has seen enough from forwards like Lucic who could be replaced by a Defenseman and garner the same results. The fact is that coaching can’t change an older player’s style or physical age within the game. Someone like PJ, Yama, or Garb, maybe. Hitch has made those comments about helping the younger players but that is only possible if he can play them. If anything I’d like to see Hitch call up everyone he can just so he can go back to Katz/Nichols and say look, here is who has potential within the organisation and here is who we need to get rid off.

  122. Zelepukin says:

    The verdict is out on whether Chia is good at evaluating players. For all we know, the few wins he has had like Koski, have been all on specific scouts. Heck, every player recommendtation that has resulted in a trade or draft has solely been by a scout and Chia has taken their word for it. I always took the Griffin draft trade solely as a result of scouts pumping GR tires as if he was the next greatness Dman to ever live. No way Chia ever saw him play.

    In fact, at this point, if you told me Chia has never watched any other team play ever, I’d believe you. All his decisions are based on recommendations by other staff members.

  123. knighttown says:

    Just take a gander at those wingers, listed in order as posted by Wilde:
    -Khaira
    -Rattie
    -Spooner
    -Puljujaarvi
    -Rieder
    -Yamamoto
    -Gambardella
    -Kassian
    -Lucic

    I mean just look at this monstrosity. Every one of those players has been a healthy scratch or in the AHL this season except maybe Rieder who has zero goals. Fourth line is first line is 3rd line is healthy scratch is 2nd line in Bakersfield.

    Benson and Russell. Would it make Any difference?

  124. season not played says:

    You know, when you think about it a case could be made that winning the 2015 lottery was actually a curse. Retribution by the hockey gods for the 80s? Probably not, personally I’d like to think the debt has been paid in full for those 5 cups, but hockey is a funny sport, things happen for reasons that can not be explained.

    I seem to remember thinking it was too bad Hanifan didn’t shoot right and I was not a fan of Strome so as long as management was satisfied with Draisaitl as their big Center moving forward the Oil would probably grab Marner. At that point Hall had really started to irritate me but the thought of a first line of Draisaitl between Hall and Marner sounded pretty good. 16 and 33 probably don’t get traded for a player I thought EVERYBODY in the hockey world knew was in the process of busting, no draft picks for Chiarelli and Tmac, and likely a lot of other questionable trades like the one every body hates for the right shooting d, gryba, probably still grab Talbot but the point is MacTavish and it seemed like the whole organization decided to be patient and finally do rebuild 3.0???correctly.

    Anyway, with all that being said, I would actually consider flipping McDavid for a package. I saw earlier someone suggesting several bruins including Pasternak and McAvoy should be a target. I’m not sure Boston actually does that but in dreamworld throw in Jake Debrusk and I do it. Mcdavid, despite being a true blue hockey player and a classy individual, eventually enough will be enough, Brandon Manning?WTF? Strome for spooner? They need to do something to totally buck the hockey world to break out of this almost 30 years of what I would classify as ineptitude but for several of those years complete and total incompetence. Maybe trading possibly the best soloist player ever will reverse the curse.

    At the draft, McDavid for Jack Hughes +.

  125. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Drake could score a goal here and there when on the top two lines, however, he gave up WAY more than he provided and the team is better without him in the lineup – poor decisions all over the ice, low hockey IQ and terrible positionally. Tenacity could not make up for it.

    Garrison and Caggiula were two players that made the team worse when on the ice.

    I don’t mind losing these two players but here is the problem
    1) Cap space going into 2020
    2) Best player is Drake- bleeding skill again
    3) Draft pick 3rd round- I see you feel only 15 % makes it. I disagree. I went back to 2012 and forward it about 30 % that plays 100 games. and 20 % 200. just approx.

    We are trading for marginal players and losing the future and health of rebuilding. Even if we were to make the playoffs it probably is for 1 round and then we are in the same situation next year again. I believe if you are rebuilding or retooling you need space to work in these three areas. asset management. We need to start winning some trades outright

  126. hunter1909 says:

    @ Lowetide:

    Why not start a list of the Oilers washed up draft pick/prospects since 2003? Where they’re playing etc?

    The list to include every ex – Oiler still playing pro hockey(Taylor Hall, cough cough).

    Asking for a friend.

    PS: Don’t be surprised if Hall does sign with Boston, which is one of the best hockey towns anywhere. Then McDavid goes to the Rangers and mayhem ensues.

  127. hunter1909 says:

    season not played: I would actually consider flipping McDavid for a package. I saw earlier someone suggesting several bruins including Pasternak and McAvoy should be a target.

    You know, if this grows, then gains momentum until it happens I’m going to career change into an Oxford University permanent guest lecturer, specializing in implausible outcomes.

  128. ArmchairGM says:

    Wilde,

    Yes, somethings up. I think it involves Benning leaving for a winger who is having a bad year.

  129. ArmchairGM says:

    season not played,

    McDavid for Jack Hughes+?? Are you insane? WE ARE GOING TO WIN THE JACK HUGHES LOTTERY!

  130. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Wilde,

    Yes, somethings up. I think it involves Benning leaving for a winger who is having a bad year.

    maybe It will be a LHD leaving…

  131. ArmchairGM says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: maybe It will be a LHD leaving…

    Nurse + Spooner for Niederreiter? There has to be more salary leaving than coming in the next trade.

  132. Jaxon says:

    Don’t trade Nurse. In his defence: depleted D, playing with a new-to-the-team, slow boots, 3rd pair partner against the toughest competition. He’s only 23. This is also the player who had good underlying numbers last season while playing the 6th most 5v5 minutes in the NHL. He has 12 points in his last 12 games! We have been lamenting the lack of a scoring D for years/decades, this is probably the highest scoring 12 game sample by an Oiler D since…. well probably Coffey and we want to trade him?

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