Game 39 2018-19: Jets at Oilers

If you tuned out on Boxing Day and are just now picking up on news from the good ship Oilers, hold on to your hat. And your ass. In the space of five days, Alex Chiasson was placed on IR, Jujhar Khaira came back from suspension, Valentin Zykov was waived (and lost), Kailer Yamamoto recalled, Drake Caggiula and Jason Garrison got traded, as did a third-round pick, Chris Wideman got traded. The Oilers acquired Alex Petrovic, Brandon Manning and an SHL defenseman named Robin Norell. Oh! And Joe Gambardella got the call to the show. Ladies and gentlemen, your Edmonton Oilers! Either Peter Chiarelli was doing an impersonation of the climactic scene in The Godfather (Drake Caggiula as Moe Green), or Ken Hitchcock submitted his naughty list and the general manager executed it with extreme prejudice. No matter, you’ll need to buy a program tonight.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Oilers acquire Brandon Manning in a Sunday shocker, and this ought to be interesting.
  • New Lowetide: Oilers acquire Alexander Petrovic from Panthers, flushing Chris Wideman and a 2019 third-round pick in the trade.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Struggling Oilers counting on Kris Russell to revitalize depleted defence.
  • New Minnia Feng: The head-scratching scenarios, cringe-worthy lines and questionable graphics in commercials featuring NHL players.
  • Lowetide: In a ‘Hail Mary’ roster shuffle, Oilers recall Kailer Yamamoto, waive Valentin Zykov and place Alex Chiasson on IR.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 39

  • Oilers in 2015: 15-21-3, 33 points; goal differential -22
  • Oilers in 2016: 19-13-7, 45 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 17-19-3, 37 points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in 2018: 18-17-3, 39 points; goal differential -6

The current Oilers are still clear of the non-playoff teams in goal differential, but the point total year over year is basically the same. For those who wonder how important tonight’s game is to the club, a win would put Edmonton on a trajectory for 82, 40-36-6, 86 points. Note: My numbers exclude empty net goals. Also, if you are reading this Monday night, a reminder this post is published at 8:30 am Edmonton time. You have to log in to get it right away.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-6-2, 14 points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-5, 19 points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2017: 7-5-1, 15 points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in December 2018: 6-6-1, 13 points; goal differential -1

A win tonight and the club will basically tie all seasons but the playoff McDavids. It has been a disappointing two weeks, but a win tonight gets the losing streak behind them. I had a feeling the team would lose Saturday, not as certain about tonight. Sometimes a major shock like yesterday’s turnover wakes everyone up.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • At home to: Vegas (Expected 0-1-0) Actual (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Minnesota, Calgary (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: Colorado,Winnipeg(Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, San Jose, Winnipeg (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-4-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 6-6-1, 13 points in 13 games

Incredibly, this mish mash of good, bad and ugly would represent a direct hit for my predictions if the Oilers can only do the impossible this evening. Ken Hitchcock’s current Oilers record is 9-7-2, and he’ll be closer to being a doppelganger for Todd McLellan’s 9-10-1 with a loss tonight.

INTRODUCING THE TEAM

  • Forwards numbers are 5-on-5 per 60, defensemen are Shots for percentage 5-on-5.
  • So, the new hires are Joe Gambardella, Brandon Manning and Alex Petrovic.
  • Gone are Drake Caggiula, Jason Garrison and Chris Wideman are way on down the line.
  • I was tempted to call today’s post “wait ’til your father gets home” because the moves this weekend feel like Chiarelli grabbing players Hitchcock might find more useful than the group sent away.
  • I think Kris Russell comes back tonight and wonder about Chiasson’s status in the coming days. We know the timeline for Andrej Sekera has been moved back, can’t say I’m surprised. The Oilers don’t tell us much about injuries but the Sekera situation seemed especially vague.

JOE GAMBARDELLA

There are players you cheer for more than the others, for one reason or another. Gambardella’ scouting report on the day the Oilers signed him was intriguing. He scored a lot off the rush, forechecked effectively and had good speed. He also worked hard on his game.

  • Gambardella: “Trying to work on a quicker release for my shot and different types of skating techniques. You can always improve in any aspect of the game and for me right now, I’m just trying to get a quicker release off and my skating can always get better.”

It’s one thing to get a pro contract but quite another to keep pushing and trying to find your way to the next level. Eric Rodgers has gifted us with his latest stats, and Gambardella shows well.

Puljujarvi scored well in a short stint early in the season, while youngsters Marody and Yamamoto have delivered and been rewarded with recalls. That means next up is Gambardella, with Benson on deck but you’d like him to get major playing time. The Condors roster took a major hit on the weekend, coach Jay Woodcroft watched Yamamoto and Gambardella fly north.

IT MOVED, BUT NOT MUCH

I wrote extensively yesterday at The Athletic about the two trades Peter Chiarelli made yesterday, so won’t bother going into great detail here. Suffice to say that acquiring two third-pairing defensemen on a team with so many major issues is akin to fiddling while Rome burns.

STANDING

Every year on January 1, I write a story here at Lowetide.ca that serves as a ‘state of the union’ address. Not that I am the president of anything more than this sofa the dog and I are sharing at the edge of the universe, but it’s a collection of thoughts and stories about the way forward.

I call it Standing on the Shoreline and they aren’t all melancholy. I had decided to call tomorrow’s Standing in Peaceful Waters but the losing streak makes it impossible. Tomorrow’s post is going to include some draft things and will also include thoughts on Peter Chiarelli’s path forward from here. I’m not able to see the future, and have much to learn about the game of hockey and life as well. I see some of the reasoning behind making moves yesterday (Drake Caggiula had issues without the puck, Garrison and Wideman didn’t earn the coach’s trust) but am honestly nonplussed by the actual transactions.

Ken Hitchcock surely had input into these trades. Andrej Sekera’s time line changed. Maybe there’s more here than meets the eye. I am unable to see the vision from here. I expect another move.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we have a one-off show kicking off New Year’s and we’re going to do it right! Scheduled to appear:

  • Murat Ates, The Athletic Winnipeg. One of the bright lights of modern hockey writing and analysis, we’ll check in with Murat on tonight’s opponent.
  • John Kryk, Postmedia and Toronto Sun. Massive NFL weekend and coaching opportunities opening up every hour on the hour.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. The trades and the future for Peter Chiarelli.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    You guys need to watch more Blackadder. We’re being run by British WWI generals.

    https://youtu.be/gGkKFick8E8

  2. leadfarmer says:

    When you’ve found yourself in a hole first step is stop digging
    Someone please take away the shovel
    Find a new GM. They’ll have at least 2 years of evaluation period because of lack of cap and tradeable assets

  3. hodgkins says:

    HT Joe: 13MM could buy a legit 2RD and 2 wingers far better than any winger currently on the team (obviously I’m not counting our top 3 centres).

    Another way of looking at it… 13MM would buy you a McDavid!

  4. tileguy says:

    Can you see Keith Grtzky sweeping the OBC out of town?

  5. drglen says:

    Material Elvis: That Gregor article is so scathing, so accurate.The existing management has failed.There is no reason to continue with the status quo other than loyalty from Bob to Pete.In that case, both guys need to be removed from their positions.

    Why can’t the Oilers hire the best possible candidate for the GM position??!!It’s so goddamn frustrating.

    Gregor.. you know what ( ah.. due respect Gregor if you are reading this).. but he can be a bit self righteous at times… I listen to him a lot as I am often driving at those times. all the media types depend on the team for their basic existence.. and as Terry Jones wrote today, it’s a huge, huge, business. We (Gregor) only see the tip of the iceberg in terms of the pressures on decisions. Plus a more human touch is required at times, and this is one of those times. (Struds I think carries himself with the right demeanor. ) On the other hand, they need to sell advertising and get listeners… all good I guess.

    it is a seriously, seriously, beautiful day out there, so I’m heading out.

  6. leadfarmer says:

    tileguy:
    Can you see Keith Grtzky sweeping the OBC out of town?

    At this point one must sssume that Chia has Katz’s peepee tape and is secretly working for the Flames.
    Everything else doesn’t make sense

  7. drglen says:

    hodgkins: Another way of looking at it… 13MM would buy you a McDavid!

    wow. There you go.. right there. That’s Jordon, and Pippin, … Kobe, and SHAQ. That’s Tavares and change.

  8. Ben says:

    Anyone else hear Spector’s phone-in?

    Says Chia’s out after this season regardless of results. Also that Chia did not have carte blanche to move the 1st round pick (which I guess is both reassuring and troubling).

    It’s a phone interview piece that cues up on the sportsnet app, but can’t find it to link on their site.

  9. OmJo says:

    Tuning in to Oilers Now. Should be must-see radio.

  10. drglen says:

    OmJo:
    Tuning in to Oilers Now. Should be must-see radio.

    I’ll bet. I mean.. holy shit… do you believe this, .. shocking, riveting, ,

  11. HugThePost says:

    If chia is gone no matter what, who then is actually making the decisions now?

  12. OmJo says:

    Stauffer on Manning injuring McDavid: I don’t think he did it on purpose, you have to be a pretty good player to intentionally injure McDavid like that

    lol what?

  13. Jethro Tull says:

    Is anybody else questioning reality at the moment?

  14. HugThePost says:

    Munny:
    HugThePost,

    UB40.

    Touché. That is rich

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny:
    HugThePost,

    UB40.

    Which is a pink slip in the UK. Also a band.

  16. npanciroli says:

    I feel like Chiarelli actually forgot he has Gravel.

  17. Melvis says:

    Jets 5-2.

    Hire this man:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiwtXHPwGPE

    This soap opera is making me thirsty. Actually, this store bought sativa is surprisingly fecking primo. Takes the weltshmerze right off.

  18. Jethro Tull says:

    Melvis,

    Mate, I don’t trust myself to start drinking yet. WG is closed for pitchforks, and we haven’t played the game game and seen Pete’s signings in action.

  19. JimmyV1965 says:

    I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that it’s Dec. 31 and we are not dressing one winger with 4 goals. How is that even possible and where does this stack up historically? Holy crap that’s bad. How is it even possible. WTF!!!!

  20. hodgkins says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Is anybody else questioning reality at the moment?

    Sure, every time I think that Hall, Eberle, and Barzal+ netted us Larsson, Reinhart, and Strome.

  21. npanciroli says:

    What is everyone’s dream GM? I don’t really know the options out there.

  22. McSorley33 says:

    Starting tomorrow – can we start to focus on the 2019 draft?

    Maybe even the 2020 draft…

  23. HugThePost says:

    I figure at this pace we’ll be in the playoff hunt in mcdavid’s draft+30 year……….

  24. ArmchairGM says:

    “Andrej Sekera’s time line changed.”

    I missed this – what is the current prognosis?

  25. Gerta Rauss says:

    Yamo day to day

    injured in the game, came to practice yesterday but they shut him down, a little better this morning but he’s out for tonight

  26. Gerta Rauss says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Andrej Sekera’s time line changed.”

    I missed this – what is the current prognosis?

    Pete wouldn’t comment on Seksy or Russell….”I’m not going to comment”…which, given the context, is not good news for either player

  27. Dicky94 says:

    npanciroli,

    Kelly McCrimmon! Getter done!

  28. jtblack says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Is anybody else questioning reality at the moment?

    I think I am. I was IN FAVOR of PC coming on board 4 years ago. I just wanted new blood after the DoD.

    Now 4 years later I cannot believe how shitty the team is. I just really can’t.

    When #16 & #33 were traded I put my Head in my hands. That deal obviously worked out poorly. Little did I know, that deal was an indication of many more Losing trades to come.

    Here we are. This is us. No where near good enough. No where near being an annual contender. No where near winning a Stanley Cup.

    #Frustrated
    #Mad
    #Gutted

  29. Jethro Tull says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Andrej Sekera’s time line changed.”

    I missed this – what is the current prognosis?

    He quantum leaped into a beleaguered NHL GM and Ziggy says he can’t jump back until McDavid plays for Toronto.

  30. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Andrej Sekera’s time line changed.”

    I missed this – what is the current prognosis?

    Bob said he’s no where near ready. A month minimum.

  31. OmJo says:

    Loving watch Stauffer and Shannon jump around the Manning accusation. Lol.

    “They have to find out what Manning is” and apparently they asked the Flyers about Manning, according to Shannon.

  32. The Trade Guy says:

    lol Asked the Flyers? That’s an extra sad version of Steve Yzerman giving the seal of approval to Tambi.

  33. drglen says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that it’s Dec. 31 and we are not dressing one winger with 4 goals. How is that even possible and where does this stack up historically? Holy crap that’s bad. How is it even possible. WTF!!!!

    not getting passes from transitional D..
    (.. ‘whispers’… ” If you bring him… they will score….. if you bring him… they will score’.. )

    It is pretty shocking.

  34. OmJo says:

    OmJo:
    Loving watch Stauffer and Shannon jump around the Manning accusation. Lol.

    “They have to find out what Manning is” and apparently they asked the Flyers about Manning, according to Shannon.

    Now they’re doing damage control by praising the fans lol

  35. drglen says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Yamo day to day

    injured in the game, came to practice yesterday but they shut him down, a little better this morning but he’s out for tonight

    Have these guys ever heard of ‘stretching out’. Guys who get injured have too much hard muscle and not enough elasticity. … or, .. take a stick to the face or puck to the kidneys. Dang… more Ice for Gambo then.

  36. OmJo says:

    Paraphrased: |Bringing back Russell will make Nurse better.”

    Those two were sinking pretty badly before Russell got injured.

    Yikes.

  37. HugThePost says:

    drglen: Have these guys ever heard of‘stretching out’. Guys who get injured have too much hard muscle and not enough elasticity. … or, .. take a stick to the face or puck to the kidneys. Dang… more Ice for Gambo then.

    Or they’re 50-60 pounds lighter than the opposition……

  38. drglen says:

    OmJo: Now they’re doing damage control by praising the fans lol

    oh brother.. please… Ok now i’m getting sick to my stomach.

  39. drglen says:

    HugThePost: Or they’re 50-60 pounds lighter than the opposition……

    lol, yep… then there’s that.!

  40. Paulie says:

    OmJo:
    Paraphrased: |Bringing back Russell will make Nurse better.”

    Those two were sinking pretty badly before Russell got injured.

    Yikes.

    It’s true. Nurse will go from terrible to merely well below average. Reminds me of that old line “somewhere some moron is striving to become an idiot” 😊

  41. OmJo says:

    Shannon RE the Stars: It doesn’t matter how Seguin and Benn are playing, all that matters is [team] points and butts in seats.

    In other words they have to play good enough to win despite the rest of the team not playing very good.

  42. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Is anybody else questioning reality at the moment?

    I wrote yesterday about clowns, trains & a bridge being out. I think I was in one of the cars. My head hurts & I didn’t drink. Reality…what the hell. Not in Oilers land.

  43. hunter1909 says:

    OmJo: “They have to find out what Manning is” and apparently they asked the Flyers about Manning, according to Shannon.

    The way they run things at Recall Place, it wouldn’t surprise if they thought Manning was still playing for the Flyers.

  44. Munny says:

    Jethro Tull: Which is a pink slip in the UK. Also a band.

    Knew someone would get the other half of the entendre…

  45. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Each and every person has free will to stop cheering for the Oilers or “boycott” the Oilers for any reason.

    This person will continue to be an Oiler fan and will continue to make every effort to ensure he can watch each and every Oiler game – for the rest of this year, for next year and in the future.

    If McDavid is every traded, this person will continue o make every effort to ensure he can watch each and every Oiler game – for the rest of this year, for next year and in the future.

    On that note, this Oiler fan has zero concern about Connor McDavid asking for a trade out of Edmonton – don’t imagine it will happen.Not to mention, if McDavid is every traded in the next few years (with his prime ahead) the haul would likely actually make the Oilers a better contending hockey team – the pieces back in a cap world, a Lindros type return, would be massive.

    Go Oilers – big two points up for grabs tonight.

    Bravo Bravo

  46. hunter1909 says:

    npanciroli: What is everyone’s dream GM? I don’t really know the options out there.

    Compared to the Works of Chiarelli I hear there’s a chinchilla that decides whether to make trades on the basis of eating a tiny hay snack, or else a piece of dried strawberry.

    According to the Chinchilla, Oiler’s would have kept Hall, Yakupov and Eberle, while drafting Barzal but for all we can prove it might be exaggerating.

  47. OilersFuture says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Lucic $6MM
    Spooner $3.1MM
    Manning $2.25MM
    Pouliot buyout $1.33MM
    Gryba buyout $300K
    There’s $13MM worth of players you can’t give away (unless you’re trading with Pete) on the books for next year + buyouts on the books for next year.
    When you see some higher end forwards traded by cap strapped teams for picks and prospects remember that EDM couldn’t get in on the action because of Pete.
    Pete did this to the Oilers.
    $13MM buys two nice top 6 forwards that this team desperately needs, but nope, Because Pete.

    Next year if you believe that Bouchard can come in and take over the 2nd pairing role. Right now they have the following 4th liners/3rd pairing/Buy outs

    4th Liners – Lucic, Brodziak, Kassian, Spooner
    3rd Pairing – Russell, Sekera, Manning, Benning
    Buyouts: Pouliot, Gryba

    Combined for 27 million. I think that with Sekera’s injuries his contract is not tradable.

    The team needs to sign three middle six forwards and two goalies.

    The new GM better hope there is some value for Russell, because the major league roster construction of this team is beyond horrible.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    Reja: if McDavid is every traded in the next few years (with his prime ahead) the haul would likely actually make the Oilers a better contending hockey team – the pieces back in a cap world, a Lindros type return, would be massive.

    This is hilarious.

    Not the alleged return. It’s the idea that this Lowe+MacT infested management could ever keep a contending team together.

  49. --hudson-- says:

    Interesting to contrast Hitchcock’s availability with Chiarelli. Basically saying the same thing but one looks comfortable and the other looks like George Costanza in the angry sea.

    FTR it was Hitchcock who talked to Hakstol and Quenneville about how to play Manning. All new guys including Gambardella will play tonight.

  50. --hudson-- says:

    Oilers get a bit of a break tonight with Byguglien out tonight. Oilers haven’t won on NYE since 1985 but this is only the fourth or fifth home game in that span.

  51. drglen says:

    hunter1909: Compared to the Works of Chiarelli I hear there’s a chinchilla that decides whether to make trades on the basis of eating a tiny hay snack, or else a piece of dried strawberry.

    According to the Chinchilla, Oiler’s would have kept Hall, Yakupov and Eberle, while drafting Barzal but for all we can prove it might be exaggerating.

    Interesting… well that explains a few things. Oilers decisions are divined by spirit messengers through the eyes of the sacred Chinchilla.. whos powers of quiet observation… spirit of innocence, curiosity, warmth, and sense of perfect timing and flow of things.. brings harmony and enrichment to the oilers and their fans. They clearly did not listen to chinchilla-sen

  52. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny: Knew someone would get the other half of the entendre…

    Yay! What do I win?

  53. drglen says:

    OilersFuture: Next year if you believe that Bouchard can come in and take over the 2nd pairing role.Right now they have the following 4th liners/3rd pairing/Buy outs

    4th Liners – Lucic, Brodziak, Kassian, Spooner
    3rd Pairing – Russell, Sekera, Manning, Benning
    Buyouts:Pouliot, Gryba

    Combined for 27 million.I think that with Sekera’s injuries his contract is not tradable.

    The team needs to sign three middle six forwards and two goalies.

    The new GM better hope there is some value for Russell, because the major league roster construction of this team is beyond horrible.

    ah man… that’s not good. That sucks. That’s bad.

    … Wow, for a second there my mellow was harshed. All good now. go oilers. Beat them jets.

  54. drglen says:

    –hudson–:
    Oilers get a bit of a break tonight with Byguglien out tonight.Oilers haven’t won on NYE since 1985 but this is only the fourth or fifth home game in that span.

    so we are DUE,… clearly things are looking up. Lady luck is WITH US!

  55. LMHF#1 says:

    OilersFuture: Next year if you believe that Bouchard can come in and take over the 2nd pairing role.Right now they have the following 4th liners/3rd pairing/Buy outs

    4th Liners – Lucic, Brodziak, Kassian, Spooner
    3rd Pairing – Russell, Sekera, Manning, Benning
    Buyouts:Pouliot, Gryba

    Combined for 27 million.I think that with Sekera’s injuries his contract is not tradable.

    The team needs to sign three middle six forwards and two goalies.

    The new GM better hope there is some value for Russell, because the major league roster construction of this team is beyond horrible.

    Which is why if they actually care about winning, it’s time to rip the band-aid and do what is necessary…

    New GM with one mandate – trade these guys and their horrendous cap hits by essentially any means necessary. Even if that means temporarily staring the possibility of no draft picks for 2 years straight in the face.

    Strip it to the core and immediately re-load with ZERO Ference/Lucic/Russell BS.

    The sooner the better.

    But…there hasn’t been an actual plan of any kind since 2007, regardless of the BS we were all fed, so why would that change now?

  56. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LT,

    Been reading your posts for about a decade.

    This opening paragraph should be put to music:

    If you tuned out on Boxing Day and are just now picking up on news from the good ship Oilers, hold on to your hat. And your ass. In the space of five days, Alex Chiasson was placed on IR, Jujhar Khaira came back from suspension, Valentin Zykov was waived (and lost), Kailer Yamamoto recalled, Drake Caggiula and Jason Garrison got traded, as did a third-round pick, Chris Wideman got traded. The Oilers acquired Alex Petrovic, Brandon Manning and an SHL defenseman named Robin Norell. Oh! And Joe Gambardella got the call to the show. Ladies and gentlemen, your Edmonton Oilers! Either Peter Chiarelli was doing an impersonation of the climactic scene in The Godfather (Drake Caggiula as Moe Green), or Ken Hitchcock submitted his naughty list and the general manager executed it with extreme prejudice. No matter, you’ll need to buy a program tonight.

    I nominate Melvis.

  57. Rondo says:

    Maybe Havard Business School will do a case study on how to destroy an NHL team by Peter Chiarelli.

  58. Sierra says:

    Gerta Rauss: Pete wouldn’t comment on Seksy or Russell….”I’m not going to comment”…which, given the context, is not good news for either player

    I suggested yesterday that the two trades may be indicating that one or both of Russell & Sekara are further away than we/they thought

  59. drglen says:

    Rondo:
    Maybe Havard Business Schoolwill do a case study on how to destroy an NHL team by Peter Chiarelli.

    totally. Right now, this.. is a documentary.

  60. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    LT,

    Been reading your posts for about a decade.

    This opening paragraph should be put to music:

    If you tuned out on Boxing Day and are just now picking up on news from the good ship Oilers, hold on to your hat. And your ass. In the space of five days, Alex Chiasson was placed on IR, Jujhar Khaira came back from suspension, Valentin Zykov was waived (and lost), Kailer Yamamoto recalled, Drake Caggiula and Jason Garrison got traded, as did a third-round pick, Chris Wideman got traded. The Oilers acquired Alex Petrovic, Brandon Manning and an SHL defenseman named Robin Norell. Oh! And Joe Gambardella got the call to the show. Ladies and gentlemen, your Edmonton Oilers! Either Peter Chiarelli was doing an impersonation of the climactic scene in The Godfather (Drake Caggiula as Moe Green), or Ken Hitchcock submitted his naughty list and the general manager executed it with extreme prejudice. No matter, you’ll need to buy a program tonight.

    I nominate Melvis.

    +1. Hold onto your Hat. And your Ass !!!

  61. BONE207 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    LT,

    Been reading your posts for about a decade.

    This opening paragraph should be put to music:

    If you tuned out on Boxing Day and are just now picking up on news from the good ship Oilers, hold on to your hat. And your ass. In the space of five days, Alex Chiasson was placed on IR, Jujhar Khaira came back from suspension, Valentin Zykov was waived (and lost), Kailer Yamamoto recalled, Drake Caggiula and Jason Garrison got traded, as did a third-round pick, Chris Wideman got traded. The Oilers acquired Alex Petrovic, Brandon Manning and an SHL defenseman named Robin Norell. Oh! And Joe Gambardella got the call to the show. Ladies and gentlemen, your Edmonton Oilers! Either Peter Chiarelli was doing an impersonation of the climactic scene in The Godfather (Drake Caggiula as Moe Green), or Ken Hitchcock submitted his naughty list and the general manager executed it with extreme prejudice. No matter, you’ll need to buy a program tonight.

    I nominate Melvis.

    To a tune similar to the Edmund Fitzgerald

  62. ArmchairGM says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Bob said he’s no where near ready. A month minimum.

    Thanks. It’s not far off what I have been figuring, which is February 1st. Sekera himself mentioned getting a few weeks in Bakersfield which hasn’t happened yet, but since he’s skating with the (Oilers) team and taking contact drills, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him cleared for AHL action by January 10th or so.

    I was afraid that he had had another setback.

  63. HugThePost says:

    drglen: totally.Right now, this.. is a documentary.

    Well there’s an idea for chia’s next gig……..

  64. Drew says:

    Woodguy v2.0: BUT THEY HAD TO TRADE EBERLE BECAUSE OF THE CAP!!!!!

    I like this new woodguy

  65. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    If you had told me at the start of the season that by New Year’s Eve Edmonton’s top goal scorer on the wings would be Jesse Puljujarvi, I’d have been ecstatic.

    That was then. This is now:

    Puljujarvi 3
    Khaira, Rattie, Kassian, Spooner* 2
    Lucic, Yamamoto 1
    Rieder 0

    (*Spooner technically has 3, but I am counting just his 2 as an Oiler.)

    13 (thirteen) goals TOTAL from tonight’s 8 wingers after 38 games. From that Ken Hitchcock will try to cobble together 3 pairs of wingers to supplement McDavid, Draisaitl, & RNH onspearate lines. Then he will take his 2 most experienced wingers & put them with his most experienced centre on a $9 million fourth line where, as Craig MacTavish famously put it, “the best they are going to be in any given game [is] a non-factor”.

    More goals on IR than among the EIGHT active wingers in a single player, Alex Chiasson. In his absence, there is a black hole of offence on the flanks.

    I know! Let’s trade out a somewhat-scoring winger, a draft pick, & our remaining cap space for two expensive fourth-pairing defenders!

    What a mess.

    How dare you.

    Peter just needs time to build a team.

    4 years isn’t enough.

  66. LMHF#1 says:

    I just tried to watch Chiarelli’s presser…

    Couldn’t make it through…from his first words of commentary this guy shows he has the exact opposite approach to what is needed…good god…

  67. Munny says:

    Jethro Tull: Yay! What do I win?

    All the red, red wine* you can drink, lol!

    *must be a product of “Wayne Gretzky Estates”.

  68. Reja says:

    hunter1909: This is hilarious.

    Not the alleged return. It’s the idea that this Lowe+MacT infested management could ever keep a contending team together.

    I like the petch add nothing wrong with that trade. Manning trade is bizarre bad bad optics and that he’s signed for another year is even more bizarre. I’ve been a fan since 1972 have no other option but to keep cheering for My Team.

  69. Munny says:

    Sierra: I suggested yesterday that the two trades may be indicating that one or both of Russell & Sekara are further away than we/they thought

    And you are right in that there may be some concern there.

  70. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: How dare you.

    Peter just needs time to build a team.

    4 years isn’t enough.

    lol, When he took over 4 years ago and did nothing this team would have been better.

  71. New Improved Darkness says:

    McSorley33:
    He may prove to be a steaming pile of shitness, but let’s let him prove it.

    The only way a GM playing a weak hand can expedite a rebuild is to take a stand against collective wisdom (also known as wisdom of the crowds and/or mob psychology) and then end up vindicated.

    People want to build narratives. As the Hitchmas narrative started to bubble up, the default posture shifted into assuming that Hitch’s inscrutable moves were 3D chess. Verdict: let’s wait and see.

    As the Chia narrative ripened like a banana abandoned at the bottom of your school locker over the xmas break, the default narrative shifted into assuming that Chia has never made a single useful move than couldn’t be replicated by a stopped clock whose internal mechanism still makes enough infernal internal noise to completely fool Alexa.

    Hence one of the greatest inventions in the history of science: the double blind experiment. Because narrative is like a bad house guest who’s blind to the signals of when and how to face into the background.

    Lowe, Tambi, MacT, Chia.

    And the solution is door #5?

    During the MacT effigy extravaganza, one of my few (hockey) comments was this: don’t assume it can’t get worse. It can always get worse.

    This remains true.

    Door #5 might inherit the grand challenge of moving Nuge or Drai or Connor down the pier for three or four or five asset bento boxes. (We might end up with more sushi than Vegas, collected in fits and starts under a pall of desperation; I personally wouldn’t call that the Vegas model, but others might.) Whoever first said sunlight is the best disinfectant never set up a food kiosk selling sashimi by the seashore in ceaselessly sunny Baia Dos Porcos, Brazil.

    You think it can’t get any worse? Is the lynching narrative now at four time one, or one times four?

    Chia came in with a license to take bigger risks, because we needed to seal McDavid into the fold. Problem solved. Few teams goon McDavid outright, because there’s little remaining need: our opponents can sit back, serve up some candy corn, and feast upon our parched, popgun escort service battering the puck square.

    As far as I’m concerned, the Hall trade falls under the category: you have to break an egg to make an omelette. I don’t think the Hall we offered was anywhere near as valuable as the Hall received (Hall’s hairy godmother stuck a serious burr up his “why listen?” ass on the way out the door). That’s exactly the culture that Chia needed to break. You simply can’t run two alpha dogs in the same harness if alpha 1B is missing half an ear. There is no situation in sports that requires two working ears more than hitching two alpha dogs into the same harness. No way Hall wins MVP quarterbacking a 2nd unit PP. No way the Oilers win Stanley with McDavid and Hall quarterbacking the 1st unit PP at the same time (even more so if one of your alpha dogs has an established tendency to attend to the coach selectively). People also tend to neglect noticing that Larsson had a value contract with term, and was made of rock, not rubber.

    Chia acknowledged that there was “some risk” in the Lucic trade. That’s the one that pissed me off, and I’ve never felt the same about the team since. It wasn’t just “some” risk: the downside could wipe Chia off the map in a mushroom cloud, leaving a stink behind that could pretty much ruin his successor, too (who seriously wants this job while Lucic remains on the books? Someone with something to prove, looking for somewhere to prove it, facing a very short list of reasons his phone will ever ring).

    Tambi was lame, but he played withing the confines of his own purse strings. Chia doubled down with future money, not his own. What did Lucic achieve:
    * top dollar
    * top term
    * top insurance, in a nearly buy-out proof contract

    100% of the third category will come out of the hide of our next GM. We’re going to have to hire an axe man to come in for a year or two and clean up the stink. Then you bring in the growth executive with a fresh vision and a clean slate (and festering window pains that would break a chemical consummate dentist bad—look at me! I can fly!)

    You can solve every problem with time and money—except for not enough time, and not enough money. The axe man can sever the sandbags, but he can’t freeze the window, and the window of freeze for the next man will be very short.

    Lucic bought us one good year. If you pro-rate his contributions over the term of his contract, it would be in the running for the best compensated year in hockey history. (MLB might have a player where you’d assign $40 million in pro-rated value accrued to one glorious year of an epic, long-term stinker.)

    Basically my read on Chiarelli—regardless of his savvy level and horse-trading acumen—was that his first instinct was to play with house money from his successor’s term. This tendency is shared by the group of people who resolve a credit card payment problem by signing up for more credit cards. The underlying dynamic is that it sets up a ratchet of desperation: as the noose tightens, you’ve got less and less remaining to auction off for a brief reprieve.

    Just because a move smells of desperation doesn’t automatically make it a bad move. Just because every other person around the table thinks it’s a dumb move doesn’t automatically make it a dumb move. That’s why science invented double blind. Narrative is a thing, but it’s clingy, and often needs to be forced into spending some quality time alone.

    People fail to think clearly about the glass-slipper statistical dynamics of the wisdom of the crowd. She might be the Renate Dolphin of the “it” crowd, but if she fits your glass shoe, then she’s your princess. Maybe you possess a Hitchmas miracle with a hot hand. Nobody else has that in their secret glass recipe. It’s your exclusive Hitchmas miracle. All the GMs are constantly pouring over the slag heap, looking to match a castoff princess with a malformed glass shoe—with a click of heaven.

    Now Manning comes into the fold with a whiff of desperation perceived through a double-blind face palm. I get it. But—and this is an important but—you always have to wait for the click of heaven before passing final judgement. You look at the shoe, and you can’t imagine a foot has ever existed that would fit that shoe; then you look at the foot, and you can’t imagine that any shoe has ever been made that would fit that foot.

    In story tradition, that’s the perfect set up for a million to one longshot that works out every time. (Narrative wears coke bottle lens thicker than you’ve ever seen in your life.)

    As far as I’m concerned, as soon as a fan begins braying for blood because the next GM couldn’t possibly be worse, the fan is part of the problem, not the solution.

    There’s nothing wrong with baying for blood. Sometimes the Malaysian moon hits the sky like a big pizza pie—that’s a moray. (Tom Hanks hums this to himself in his Cast Away hiatus, after consigning himself to an almost exclusively crab diet, best consumed with all ten fingers.)

    A Christmas gathering with relatives is interrupted when Chuck is summoned to resolve a problem in Malaysia.

    If Chuck’s improvised flotilla had capsized in the reef, the terrifying fins would have arrived in short order—but not until after a trash-compactor feeding frenzy below the water line. (Eels simply don’t pause long enough to insert ominous theme music, hence the thrumming seventies, and later how San Jose become stuck with the mascot of an apex predator who eternally bats clean-up on the chorale forecheck.)

    That’s not even mentioning what happens to mayonnaise under the Malaysian sun.

    Eternal malaise: you are here.

    Nevertheless, we must sit back patiently and give Manning his day in the sun, unencumbered by carpal tunnel premonitions of wilting cucumber Bruinoise.

    Bruinoise: death by a thousand cuts, only not with a chef’s knife, but rather an industrial ham saw desquamating garish garlands large and small, under the peregrinating guidance of a lurch-riven rasher.

    Peregrin took, and now the cupboard is bare—if you squint a bit, and ignore all the repugnant puddles, dripping denunciations, and rivulets of riposte.

    Bloody hell.

    Just what the doctor ordered: fresh apron strings.

    Small edits: sometimes a sandwich break inserts itself in between typing and reading.

  72. pts2pndr says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I’m going to stick with my prediction that Reggie may be done and who knows…..Rusty too?

    This could explain why the aquisitions. Jones is not ready for top four given our current situation. It is better for his development and confidence to go back to the AHL. The oilers with the addition of Manning and Petrovic give the team better balance re handedness and make them a much harder team to play against. It also gives the team more defensive options for the PK. Manning at his cap hit brings as much as Russel value wise in my opinion. The cap hit is problematic moving forward depending on the status of Russel and Sekera. Moving of Caggiula is addition by subtraction. While these trades are not ideal they do not seem to me to be such that everyone wants Chiarelli fired bad! My main objection would be the loss of a third round draft choice.

  73. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny: All the red, red wine* you can drink, lol!

    *must be a product of “Wayne Gretzky Estates”.

    Pick up in Kingston Town?

  74. tileguy says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    Your Hall narrative is spot on.

  75. McSorley33 says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    During the MacT effigy extravaganza, one of my few (hockey) comments was this: don’t assume it can’t get worse. It can always get worse.
    *********************************************************************************************
    Well put….and prophetic.

  76. who says:

    One thing I do find funny about the Manning trade, is all the fans moaning about losing Cagguila? I thought he was everyones favorite whipping boy, after Lucic and Russell of course.
    Chia did say it was necessary to include him in the deal but I don’t think it was Chicago demanding the player. To me it’s more a case of Edmonton needing to send a contract away. I think they tried to send Spooner, and when Chicago said no, they settled on Cagguila.
    What Chia doesn’t seem to realize is that signing guys for 1.5 to 2 million dollars is not saving cap space if the player is only worth 700k.
    What this trade tells me is that Cagguila had negative trade value. Which makes me wonder what Benning and Kassian are actually worth on the trade market? Or Strome/Spooner?

  77. tileguy says:

    I am surprised that Talbot hasn’t been moved yet, he could get us a second and third pick plus his cap spaced used for some offensive talent.

  78. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    tileguy:
    New Improved Darkness,

    Your Hall narrative is spot on.

    +1.

  79. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    who:
    One thing I do find funny about the Manning trade, is all the fans moaning about losing Cagguila? I thought he was everyones favorite whipping boy, after Lucic and Russell of course.
    Chia did say it was necessary to include him in the deal but I don’t think it was Chicago demanding the player. To me it’s more a case of Edmonton needing to send a contract away. I think they tried to send Spooner, and when Chicago said no, they settled on Cagguila.
    What Chia doesn’t seem to realize is that signing guys for 1.5 to 2 million dollars is not saving cap space if the player is only worth 700k.
    What this trade tells me is that Cagguila had negative trade value. Which makes me wonder what Benning and Kassian are actually worth on the trade market? Or Strome/Spooner?

    Wish Cags the best on his new team but I will not be missing him at all. Would rather have Aberg or Zykov.

  80. drglen says:

    Lowetide;: If you tuned out on Boxing Day and are just now picking up on news from the good ship Oilers, hold on to your hat. And your ass. In the space of five days, Alex Chiasson was placed on IR, Jujhar Khaira came back from suspension, Valentin Zykov was waived (and lost), Kailer Yamamoto recalled, Drake Caggiula and Jason Garrison got traded, as did a third-round pick, Chris Wideman got traded. The Oilers acquired Alex Petrovic, Brandon Manning and an SHL defenseman named Robin Norell. Oh! And Joe Gambardella got the call to the show. Ladies and gentlemen, your Edmonton Oilers! Either Peter Chiarelli was doing an impersonation of the climactic scene in The Godfather (Drake Caggiula as Moe Green), or Ken Hitchcock submitted his naughty list and the general manager executed it with extreme prejudice. No matter, you’ll need to buy a program tonight.

    I gave it a shot, what the hell.

    http://freejazz.ca/lowetidefitzgerald4.mp4

  81. YKOil says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Lucic $6MM
    Spooner $3.1MM
    Manning $2.25MM

    Pouliot buyout $1.33MM
    Gryba buyout $300K

    There’s $13MM worth of players you can’t give away (unless you’re trading with Pete) on the books for next year + buyouts on the books for next year.

    When you see some higher end forwards traded by cap strapped teams for picks and prospects remember that EDM couldn’t get in on the action because of Pete.

    Pete did this to the Oilers.

    $13MM buys two nice top 6 forwards that this team desperately needs, but nope, Because Pete.

    This. Of those, only the Pouliot $ would still be here – and just for one more year mind you – in the hands of a competent GM

  82. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bob McKenzie on the Manning trade:

    “The one that I look at and might give me a little more pause for concern is basically the Caggiula for Manning deal because I think Caggiula is a player who could still be really valuable to the Oilers. Listen, I know Caggiula has not been consistent, at all, and they certainly need some consistency; but they also need scoring on the wings. I don’t know that Manning necessarily is the answer on defense, and they give up a young forward that does have the ability to score when he’s on his game. That one’s a far riskier deal that remains to be seen.

    Bob must be a butt hurt Hall fan and like fancy stats if he thinks the trade is shit right?

    Source: https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2018/12/31/mckenzie-weighs-in-on-oilers-weekend-trades

    Caggiula is NOT an NHL calibre winger. Full stop. The braindead play right after the Oilers opened the scorinSang against San Jose, that lead immediately to the goal against is but one example.

    Chicago traded for him because he is a much cheaper buyout than Manning. Caggiula has next year like Manning, 750K less, but at a 1/3rd buyout instead of 2/3rds. I would have been happier if Spooner had gone.

    Manning had better be marginally useful, or that is two Keith Gretzky and Chiarelli duds…Spooner being the other.

  83. jtblack says:

    The Pouliot buyout falls at the feet of TMac IMO.

    Here’s a Narrative The team isnt that good. My HUNTER DEATH MARCH was 88 points.

    When Hitch was hired, I thought he could pull this team into the Playoffs.

    The deicmation of the D hasn’t helped for sure. But that just shows how fragile the team is. And these latest moves by PC make no sense (Petrovoc yes, Manning no sense).

    This is us

  84. OmJo says:

    who:
    One thing I do find funny about the Manning trade, is all the fans moaning about losing Cagguila? I thought he was everyones favorite whipping boy, after Lucic and Russell of course.
    Chia did say it was necessary to include him in the deal but I don’t think it was Chicago demanding the player. To me it’s more a case of Edmonton needing to send a contract away. I think they tried to send Spooner, and when Chicago said no, they settled on Cagguila.
    What Chia doesn’t seem to realize is that signing guys for 1.5 to 2 million dollars is not saving cap space if the player is only worth 700k.
    What this trade tells me is that Cagguila had negative trade value. Which makes me wonder what Benning and Kassian are actually worth on the trade market? Or Strome/Spooner?

    Losing Caggiula = fine.

    Losing Caggiula to acquire a 4LD with a $2.5M cap hit = not fine.

    Losing Caggiula to acquire a 4LD with a $2.5M cap hit instead of a winger who can play hockey = very not fine.

    The look on Stan Bowman’s face when Chiarelli asked about Manning = Priceless.

    It seems that every player Chiarelli trades has negative trade value.

  85. godot10 says:

    hodgkins:
    Hours after Gregor’s piece about how Yamamoto isn’t physically ready for the NHL… wow

    Some people here were saying he needed at least a full year in the AHL and probably two since before his first training camp. Gregor is late to the show.

  86. Side says:

    The one positive thing I had to say about Chiarelli was that he was decent at smaller deals.

    RIP Positive Thing
    2015 – 2018

  87. godot10 says:

    tileguy:
    Can you see Keith Grtzky sweeping the OBC out of town?

    Keith Gretzky helped give you Spooner and Manning.

    Wayne is part owner.

  88. Zelepukin says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Cags doesn’t play more than 1 game in Chicago. Goes from McD winger to the AHL. Well I guess you could say that for every one of our wingers.

  89. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OmJo: Losing Caggiula = fine.

    Losing Caggiula to acquire a 4LD with a $2.5M cap hit = not fine.

    Losing Caggiula to acquire a 4LD with a $2.5M cap hit instead of a winger who can play hockey = very not fine.

    The look on Stan Bowman’s face when Chiarelli asked about Manning = Priceless.

    It seems that every player Chiarelli trades has negative trade value.

    What would lead you to believe that you could acquire a winger that can play hockey for Caggiula?

  90. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    godot10: Some people here were saying he needed at least a full year in the AHL and probably two since before his first training camp.Gregor is late to the show.

    +1.

  91. hunter1909 says:

    Side: The one positive thing I had to say about Chiarelli was that he was decent at smaller deals.

    Or: “You’ve been decent not great at handling your paper route. Here are the keys to the family business”.

  92. Neumann says:

    drglen,

    Stretching out doesn’t prevent injuries. A tissue gets injured when the force applied to it is greater than the force a tissue is capable of absorbing. Strength training can best be described as building resilience. Stretching feels good, Moving a joint with active intent builds motor control and provides a more robust joint.

  93. OmJo says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Nothing. But if you can’t, then you don’t trade him for a worse player on a worse contract.

    Caggiula can score in spurts when playing with McDavid or Draisaitl. Look at our winger scoring now. It’s beyond putrid, it’s downright embarrassing and I’ll go out on a limb and say it’s the lowest proportional goal scoring by wingers in NHL history.

    Would have honestly been better off waiving Caggiula. If he gets claimed, oh well – he’s gone and you free up some cap space for next year. If he ends up where he should have been since day one: in the AHL.

    You don’t need to be a Harvard graduate and a SC winning GM to figure that out…

  94. workaroundaccount says:

    Didn’t make the connection until I saw them side by side, but why waive Zykov if you’re tradibg Caggiula?

  95. drglen says:

    banged up a bit, miss a game? Cmon.. Not the first guy to miss a game after being nicked up, and we don’t say in every case ‘needs two more years’ in minors. NBA has become wise to the fact that performance athletes should indeed take maintenance days, NHL should probably do the same.

  96. Oil2Oilers says:

    The wisest comment I have heard about Chiarelli was from Lowetide;

    Long before the Hall trade he warned ‘you better be right’ sadly Chiarelli was not.

    Since then little else has mattered or moved the needle with the team. The wisest course of action now, also long championed by LT is stay the course, stop digging.

    This of course is painful to hear as the decade of darkness marches on and on.

    But nevermind on this day of renewal and ending of grievances I wish you all a happy Hogmanay.

    Go Oilers

  97. Professor Q says:

    Well tonight seems like it’ll be lovely, on all fronts.

    Got off work, pouring rain, soaking wet, bus driver refused to stop so I had to wait an extra 30 minutes, New Year’s Eve is crap, and we’ll be witnessing whatever team this is tonight.

    At least I picked up some wine. Should have gotten some of that 99 actually, just to try it. Went with Villa Maria instead.

  98. digger50 says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    Enjoyed your interesting post.

    I feel obligated to disagree that a team cannot have two alpha dogs. By nature, every player in the NHL was an alpha as they played thier way to the top, they all adjusted. And Toronto seems to be doing just fine.

    Hall not respecting coaches? Hard to say with all the coaching changes and no leadership to follow what NHL team has this? Kid was set up to get chopped down.

    Normally a team brings a young player into the group and cover him with mentorship. Oilers make the kid the expected leader and let him fend for himself. Connor comes along and they do it again. If Connor had joined the Bruins would they remove thier better players just so no other “alpha” was present? It is a rediculous position to take.

    I’m afraid there is no argument that would convince me that the Oilers are better off without Hall just because they worried that there would be two alphas. “
    Get good players – but not too many – and certainly not any that will challenge each other”

  99. workaroundaccount says:

    OmJo:
    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Nothing. But if you can’t, then you don’t trade him for a worse player on a worse contract.

    Caggiula can score in spurts when playing with McDavid or Draisaitl. Look at our winger scoring now. It’s beyond putrid, it’s downright embarrassing and I’ll go out on a limb and say it’s the lowest proportional goal scoring by wingers in NHL history.

    Would have honestly been better off waiving Caggiula. If he gets claimed, oh well – he’s gone and you free up some cap space for next year. If he ends up where he should have been since day one: in the AHL.

    You don’t need to be a Harvard graduate and a SC winning GM to figure that out…

    For giggles, here’s the 74-75 Capitals (fewest points in a season)http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000491975.html

    Here’s us http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000412019.html

    The conversion factor is 3.43gpg/3.09 gpg. We are ahead of them, but that’s probably not an accomplishment.

  100. Munny says:

    New Improved Darkness: Peregrin took, and now the cupboard is bare—if you squint a bit, and ignore all the repugnant puddles, dripping denunciations, and rivulets of riposte.

    Some Merry thoughts this… think I will have a brandy AND a buck.

  101. Munny says:

    workaroundaccount:
    Didn’t make the connection until I saw them side by side, but why waive Zykov if you’re tradibg Caggiula?

    Why indeed…

  102. edoil1 says:

    Who knew Harper Lee was talking about the Edmonton Oilers with the quote,”If you did not want much,there was plenty”.Happy New year,all.

  103. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Some people here were saying he needed at least a full year in the AHL and probably two since before his first training camp.Gregor is late to the show.

    Gregor has been saying that for ages as well. It’s not rocket science.

  104. JimmyV1965 says:

    digger50:
    New Improved Darkness,

    Enjoyed your interesting post.

    I feel obligated to disagree that a team cannot have two alpha dogs. By nature, every player in the NHL was an alpha as they played thier way to the top, they all adjusted. And Toronto seems to be doing just fine.

    Hall not respecting coaches? Hard to say with all the coaching changes and no leadership to follow what NHL team has this? Kid was set up to get chopped down.

    Normally a team brings a young player into the group and cover him with mentorship. Oilers make the kid the expected leader and let him fend for himself. Connor comes along and they do it again. If Connor had joined the Bruins would they remove thier better players just so no other “alpha” was present? It is a rediculous position to take.

    I’m afraid there is no argument that would convince me that the Oilers are better off without Hall just because they worried that there would be two alphas. “Get good players – but not too many – and certainly not any that will challenge each other”

    +1000

  105. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Caggiula is NOT an NHL calibre winger.Full stop.The braindead play right after the Oilers opened the scorinSang against San Jose, that lead immediately to the goal against is but one example.

    Chicago traded for him because he is a much cheaper buyout than Manning.Caggiula has next yearlike Manning, 750K less, but at a 1/3rd buyout instead of 2/3rds.I would have been happier if Spooner had gone.

    Manning had better be marginally useful, or that is two Keith Gretzky and Chiarelli duds…Spooner being the other.

    Chicago MSM: “Manning contract is a massive mistake. Stan can’t get rid of that contract unless he adds some assets to make it go away”

    Pete: “How does my 5th leading scorer sound?”

    Seriously though, this is what I posted:

    @Woodguy55

    Garisson isn’t a NHLer. Caggiula is a tweener at best I think.

    Pete still managed to lose the trade.

    That’s remarkable.
    8:15 PM – 30 Dec 2018

    Now Manning is on the cap for next year and he’s probably the 7th best Dman with Klef, Sekera and Russell not counting.

    Wheeeee!!!!!!!!!!

  106. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    . I don’t think the Hall we offered was anywhere near as valuable as the Hall received

    On ice results tell a different story.

  107. Professor Q says:

    digger50:
    New Improved Darkness,

    Enjoyed your interesting post.

    I feel obligated to disagree that a team cannot have two alpha dogs. By nature, every player in the NHL was an alpha as they played thier way to the top, they all adjusted. And Toronto seems to be doing just fine.

    Hall not respecting coaches? Hard to say with all the coaching changes and no leadership to follow what NHL team has this? Kid was set up to get chopped down.

    Normally a team brings a young player into the group and cover him with mentorship. Oilers make the kid the expected leader and let him fend for himself. Connor comes along and they do it again. If Connor had joined the Bruins would they remove thier better players just so no other “alpha” was present? It is a rediculous position to take.

    I’m afraid there is no argument that would convince me that the Oilers are better off without Hall just because they worried that there would be two alphas. “Get good players – but not too many – and certainly not any that will challenge each other”

    To be fair, Colorado had 4. They traded 2 of them (albeit due to poor seasons etc.). No one expected them to have that poor year, similar to New Jersey, and no one expected them to bounce back so significantly, either.

    I’m sure many lamented the trading of Duchene and O’Reilly. This does not excuse Chiarelli and he should have been fired many times over. Simply adding potential other case studies.

    Could Edmonton bounce back as significantly as Colorado did, maybe next season? 2020?

  108. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    tileguy:
    New Improved Darkness,

    Your Hall narrative is spot on.

    Player Season RelT GF%
    TAYLOR.HALL 2010-2011 6.55
    TAYLOR.HALL 2011-2012 4.28
    TAYLOR.HALL 2012-2013 10.48
    TAYLOR.HALL 2013-2014 8.09
    TAYLOR.HALL 2014-2015 14.19
    TAYLOR.HALL 2015-2016 10.53
    TAYLOR.HALL 2016-2017 9.49
    TAYLOR.HALL 2017-2018 16.3
    TAYLOR.HALL 2018-2019 9.32

    Not really.

    NHL players can be assholes and ALSO be the reason a team wins.

    Denis Potvin is the poster boy.

  109. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OmJo:
    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Nothing. But if you can’t, then you don’t trade him for a worse player on a worse contract.

    Caggiula can score in spurts when playing with McDavid or Draisaitl. Look at our winger scoring now. It’s beyond putrid, it’s downright embarrassing and I’ll go out on a limb and say it’s the lowest proportional goal scoring by wingers in NHL history.

    Would have honestly been better off waiving Caggiula. If he gets claimed, oh well – he’s gone and you free up some cap space for next year. If he ends up where he should have been since day one: in the AHL.

    You don’t need to be a Harvard graduate and a SC winning GM to figure that out…

    I am fine with waiving Cags though I very much doubt he would be claimed. You still have to fill the D holes left by Sekera, Klefbom and Russell. How do you propose to do that without negatively impacting the cap?

  110. DBO says:

    Yeah thinking on next year. Assuming one of Sekera or Russell get moved. This is our D Depth

    LD
    KLEFBOM
    NURSE
    JONES
    GRAVEL
    MANNING

    RD
    LARSSON
    BOUCHARD
    RUSSELL/SEKERA
    BENNING
    BEAR or
    PETROVIC

    So at best 5th on each side for our two acquisitions. Wow. Just wow.

  111. Lewis Grant says:

    Can somebody tell me where the Oilers would have finished last year if Talbot had maintained his career-average save percentage?

    Can somebody tell me where the Oilers would be this season if Talbot had maintained his career-average save percentage?

    I bet the answer to both questions is closer to the record of the 2018-19 currently-playoff-bound New York Islanders than it is to the 2017-18 non-playoff New York Islanders. This year’s Islanders lack John Tavares but include career-average goaltending; last year’s version included John Tavares but had 0.20-below-career-average goaltending.

    (Or, if you’d prefer, compare the Jets 2017-18 to 2016-17.)

    The upshot? Goaltending is incredibly crucial. It’s also voodoo.

    Should we blame Chiarelli for that? Sure, he’s made some bad trades. But the Oilers effectively won two playoff rounds after he traded Hall.

  112. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: PlayerSeasonRelT GF%
    TAYLOR.HALL2010-20116.55
    TAYLOR.HALL2011-20124.28
    TAYLOR.HALL2012-201310.48
    TAYLOR.HALL2013-20148.09
    TAYLOR.HALL2014-201514.19
    TAYLOR.HALL2015-201610.53
    TAYLOR.HALL2016-20179.49
    TAYLOR.HALL2017-201816.3
    TAYLOR.HALL2018-20199.32

    Not really.

    NHL players can be assholes and ALSO be the reason a team wins.

    Denis Potvin is the poster boy.

    The entire Anaheim Ducks roster.

  113. Pescador says:

    Munny: All the red, red wine* you can drink, lol!

    *must be a product of “Wayne Gretzky Estates”.

    True story
    I actually picked up a bottle of Okanagan No.99 “The Great Red”
    At my local liq. Just before xmas.
    2 reasons: It was on sale & came with a free pair of blue socks.
    99 emblem on the top.
    I think I will drink it this eve,
    Ring in the new year with 2 headaches instead of one,
    courtesy of the Oilers

  114. Munny says:

    Well that Samorukov kid is a good interview.

    Two penalty shots called on the same play… don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.

  115. Professor Q says:

    Munny:
    Well that Samorukov kid is a good interview.

    Two penalty shots called on the same play… don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.

    Can we get these refs to ref Oilers games exclusively?

  116. Jethro Tull says:

    Pescador: True story
    I actually picked up a bottle of Okanagan No.99 “The Great Red”
    At my local liq. Just before xmas.
    2 reasons: It was on sale & came with a free pair of blue socks.
    99 emblem on the top.
    I think I will drink it this eve,
    Ring in the new year with 2 headaches instead of one,
    courtesy of the Oilers

    I think we all know how the sock should, nay, must be used: Sock puppets lip-synched to Kevin and Drew. Stick on googly eyes for effect.

  117. Side says:

    Lewis Grant:
    Can somebody tell me where the Oilers would have finished last year if Talbot had maintained his career-average save percentage?

    Can somebody tell me where the Oilers would be this season if Talbot had maintained his career-average save percentage?

    I bet the answer to both questions is closer to the record of the 2018-19 currently-playoff-bound New York Islanders than it is to the 2017-18 non-playoff New York Islanders.This year’s Islanders lack John Tavares but include career-average goaltending; last year’s version included John Tavares but had 0.20-below-career-average goaltending.

    (Or, if you’d prefer, compare the Jets 2017-18 to 2016-17.)

    The upshot?Goaltending is incredibly crucial.It’s also voodoo.

    Should we blame Chiarelli for that?Sure, he’s made some bad trades.But the Oilers effectively won two playoff rounds after he traded Hall.

    I guess we will find out how far the goaltending will take us this year, seeing as how the Oilers brought in 2 players who won’t make a significant defensive contribution.

    And hopefully the Oilers will have a goaltender who we can rely on next year since they won’t have enough money to bring in a top 4 D and will have to rely on a few of the 30 3rd/4th pairing D that the Oilers have in stock.

    Come onnnnn goaltending!

  118. Munny says:

    Just listening to the Chia interview…

    “With what we know about our injured players”

    Something has gone sideways.

  119. workaroundaccount says:

    Here’s a fun hypothetical. If you could trade Connor for the best organization (coach,GM, scouts, owner,etc.) would you? It really feels like one or the other now

  120. Professor Q says:

    workaroundaccount:
    Here’s a fun hypothetical. If you could trade Connor for the best organization (coach,GM, scouts, owner,etc.) would you? It really feels like one or the other now

    Tampa Bay? Do we get Stamkos, Kucherov, and Hedman, as well?

  121. drglen says:

    Woodguy v2.0: PlayerSeasonRelT GF%
    TAYLOR.HALL2010-20116.55
    TAYLOR.HALL2011-20124.28
    TAYLOR.HALL2012-201310.48
    TAYLOR.HALL2013-20148.09
    TAYLOR.HALL2014-201514.19
    TAYLOR.HALL2015-201610.53
    TAYLOR.HALL2016-20179.49
    TAYLOR.HALL2017-201816.3
    TAYLOR.HALL2018-20199.32

    Not really.

    NHL players can be assholes and ALSO be the reason a team wins.

    Denis Potvin is the poster boy.

    yep..

  122. tileguy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Oilers advance to the second round of the playoffs and could of went further if Sekera dosen’t go down or at least the Kessler goal is disallowed. I sure enjoyed that season. They should of done just as well or better if the young players advanced from the fact they would be a year older and another year seasoned. Hall for a rock hard Larson on a value contract was a good trade. You brought out the numbers to say Taylor Hall is great, would he have achieved greatness in Oilers silk. The change of scenery did him good, unlike Spooner, Strome, Aburg, Zykov ect ect.

  123. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull: I think we all know how the sock should, nay, must be used: Sock puppets lip-synched to Kevin and Drew. Stick on googly eyes for effect.

    Drew: “Man everything those Sharks touch turns to gold, Pavelski works on that kind of thing every practice, pass the puck off the goalies pads”
    Kevin: “wow, that’s interesting”
    Drew: “I used to be a coach y’know”
    Kevin: “Shutup”

  124. Jethro Tull says:

    LT, saw this and thought of you.

    https://www.teelarva.com/darmok-jalad-at-tanagra

  125. Side says:

    tileguy:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Oilers advance to the second round of the playoffs and could of went further if Sekera dosen’t go down or at least the Kessler goal is disallowed. I sure enjoyed that season. They should of done just as well or better if the young players advanced from the fact they would be a year older and another year seasoned. Hall for a rock hard Larson on a value contract was a good trade.You brought out the numbers to say Taylor Hall is great, would he have achieved greatness in Oilers silk. The change of scenery did him good, unlike Spooner, Strome, Aburg, Zykov ect ect.

    “The change of scenery did him good”

    How do you know it did him good? What if he stayed with the Oilers and did better than he did in NJ?

    If the change of scenery truly did Hall good, then how come he is not performing as well as he did last year?

    Why do we accept that the cost of Larsson had to be Hall and not say.. Eberle? Especially given how much we have seen Chiarelli overpay for players, particularly defenseman?

    The “change of scenery made Hall the player he is right now” is such a tired, lame reason to justify the trade.

  126. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull:
    LT, saw this and thought of you.

    https://www.teelarva.com/darmok-jalad-at-tanagra

    Those are soooooo good

  127. workaroundaccount says:

    Professor Q: Tampa Bay? Do we get Stamkos, Kucherov, and Hedman, as well?

    No players, just Brass. Whatever team you think has the best.

  128. innercitysmytty says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I agree with the on-ice results for Hall being just as good prior to being traded and am in the pro Hall camp. But I also think he had less perceived value to many/all other GMs prior to the move and that may be what the post was getting at in terms of value ie trade value.

  129. HT Joe says:

    Woodguy v2.0: NHL players can be assholes and ALSO be the reason a team wins.

    Denis Potvin is the poster boy.

    That magnificent blueliner, Chris Pronger, comes to mind too.

  130. JimmyV1965 says:

    DBO:
    Yeah thinking on next year. Assuming one of Sekera or Russell get moved. This is our D Depth

    LD
    KLEFBOM
    NURSE
    JONES
    GRAVEL
    MANNING

    RD
    LARSSON
    BOUCHARD
    RUSSELL/SEKERA
    BENNING
    BEAR or
    PETROVIC

    So at best 5th on each side for our two acquisitions. Wow. Just wow.

    Petrovic is way higher up the order. I’ll be gobsmacked if he’s worse than Benning.

  131. workaroundaccount says:

    HT Joe: That magnificent blueliner, Chris Pronger, comes to mind too.

    Kobe Bryant, Ed Hervey, even Steve Nash (Divorced his wife one day after ahe gave birth).

  132. Glovjuice says:

    New Improved Darkness: The only way a GM playing a weak hand can expedite a rebuild is to take a stand against collective wisdom (also known as wisdom of the crowds and/or mob psychology) and then end up vindicated.

    People want to build narratives. As the Hitchmas narrative started to bubble up, the default posture shifted into assuming that Hitch’s inscrutable moves were 3D chess. Verdict: let’s wait and see.

    As the Chia narrative ripened like a banana abandoned at the bottom of your school locker over the xmas break, the default narrative shifted into assuming that Chia has never made a single useful move than couldn’t be replicated by a stopped clock whose internal mechanism still makes enough infernal internal noise to completely fool Alexa.

    Hence one of the greatest inventions in the history of science: the double blind experiment. Because narrative is like a bad house guest who’s blind to the signals of when and how to face into the background.

    Lowe, Tambi, MacT, Chia.

    And the solution is door #5?

    During the MacT effigy extravaganza, one of my few (hockey) comments was this: don’t assume it can’t get worse.It can always get worse.

    This remains true.

    Door #5 might inherit the grand challenge of moving Nuge or Draior Connor down the pier for three or four or five asset bento boxes. (We might end up with more sushi than Vegas, collected in fits and starts under a pall of desperation; I personally wouldn’t call that the Vegas model, but others might.) Whoever first said sunlight is the best disinfectant never set up a food kiosk selling sashimi by the seashore in ceaselessly sunny Baia Dos Porcos, Brazil.

    You think it can’t get any worse? Is the lynching narrative now at four time one, or one times four?

    Chia came in with a license to take bigger risks, because we needed to seal McDavid into the fold. Problem solved. Few teams goon McDavid outright, because there’s little remaining need: our opponents can sit back, serve up some candy corn, and feast upon our parched, popgun escort service battering the puck square.

    As far as I’m concerned, the Hall trade falls under the category: you have to break an egg to make an omelette. I don’t think the Hall we offered was anywhere near as valuable as the Hall received (Hall’s hairy godmother stuck a serious burr up his “why listen?” ass on the way out the door). That’s exactly the culture that Chia needed to break. You simply can’t run two alpha dogs in the same harness if alpha 1B is missing half an ear. There is no situation in sports that requires two working ears more than hitching two alpha dogs into the same harness. No way Hall wins MVP quarterbacking a 2nd unit PP.No way the Oilers win Stanley with McDavid and Hall quarterbacking the 1st unit PP at the same time (even more so if one of your alpha dogs has an established tendency to attend to the coach selectively). People also tend to neglect noticing that Larsson had a value contract with term, and was made of rock, not rubber.

    Chia acknowledged that there was “some risk” in the Lucic trade. That’s the one that pissed me off, and I’ve never felt the same about the team since. It wasn’t just “some” risk: the downside could wipe Chia off the map in a mushroom cloud, leaving a stink behind that could pretty much ruin his successor, too (who seriously wants this job while Lucic remains on the books? Someone with something to prove, looking for somewhere to prove it, facing a very short list of reasons his phone will ever ring).

    Tambi was lame, but he played withing the confines of his own purse strings. Chia doubled down with future money, not his own. What did Lucic achieve:
    * top dollar
    * top term
    * top insurance, in a nearly buy-out proof contract

    100% of the third category will come out of the hide of our next GM.We’re going to have to hire an axe man to come in for a year or two and clean up the stink. Then you bring in the growth executive with a fresh vision and a clean slate (and festering window pains that would break a chemical consummate dentist bad—look at me! I can fly!)

    You can solve every problem with time and money—except for not enough time, and not enough money.The axe man can sever the sandbags, but he can’t freeze the window, and the window of freeze for the next man will be very short.

    Lucic bought us one good year. If you pro-rate his contributions over the term of his contract, it would be in the running for the best compensated year in hockey history.(MLB might have a player where you’d assign $40 million in pro-rated value accrued to one glorious year of an epic, long-term stinker.)

    Basically my read on Chiarelli—regardless of his savvy level and horse-trading acumen—was that his first instinct was to play with house money from his successor’s term. This tendency is shared by the group of people who resolve a credit card payment problem by signing up for more credit cards.The underlying dynamic is that it sets up a ratchet of desperation: as the noose tightens, you’ve got less and less remaining to auction off for a brief reprieve.

    Just because a move smells of desperation doesn’t automatically make it a bad move. Just because every other person around the table thinks it’s a dumb move doesn’t automatically make it a dumb move. That’s why science invented double blind. Narrative is a thing, but it’s clingy, and often needs to be forced into spending some quality time alone.

    People fail to think clearly about the glass-slipper statistical dynamics of the wisdom of the crowd.She might be the Renate Dolphin of the “it” crowd, but if she fits your glass shoe, then she’s your princessStunn.Maybe you possess a Hitchmas miracle with a hot hand. Nobody else has that in their secret glass recipe. It’s your exclusive Hitchmas miracle. All the GMs are constantly pouring over the slag heap, looking to match a castoff princess with a malformed glass shoe—with a click of heaven.

    Now Manning comes into the fold with a whiff of desperation perceived through a double-blind face palm. I get it. But—and this is an important but—you always have to wait for the click of heaven before passing final judgement.You look at the shoe, and you can’t imagine a foot has ever existed that would fit that shoe; then you look at the foot, and you can’t imagine that any shoe has ever been made that would fit that foot.

    In story tradition, that’s the perfect set up for a million to one longshot that works out every time. (Narrative wears coke bottle lens thicker than you’ve ever seen in your life.)

    As far as I’m concerned, as soon as a fan begins braying for blood because the next GM couldn’t possibly be worse, the fan is part of the problem, not the solution.

    There’s nothing wrong with baying for blood. Sometimes the Malaysian moon hits the sky like a big pizza pie—that’sa moray.(Tom Hanks hums this to himself in his Cast Away hiatus, after consigning himself to an almost exclusively crab diet, best consumed with all ten fingers.)

    If Chuck’s improvised flotilla had capsized in the reef, the terrifying fins would have arrived in short order—but not until after a trash-compactor feeding frenzy below the water line.(Eels simply don’t pause long enough to insert ominous theme music, hence the thrumming seventies, and later how San Jose become stuck with the mascot of an apex predator who eternally bats clean-up on the chorale forecheck.)

    That’s not even mentioning what happens to mayonnaise under the Malaysian sun.

    Eternal malaise: you are here.

    Nevertheless, we must sit back patiently and give Manning his day in the sun, unencumbered by carpal tunnel premonitions of wilting cucumber Bruinoise.

    Bruinoise: death by a thousand cuts, only not with a chef’s knife, but rather an industrial ham saw desquamating garish garlands large and small, under the peregrinating guidance of a lurch-riven rasher.

    Peregrin took, and now the cupboard is bare—if you squint a bit, and ignore all the repugnant puddles, dripping denunciations, and rivulets of riposte.

    Bloody hell.

    Just what the doctor ordered: fresh apron strings.

    Small edits: sometimes a sandwich break inserts itself in between typing and reading.

    Stunning post.

  133. Lowetide says:

    Pescador: Those are soooooo good

    Lol. Comes in size Shaka when the walls fell.

  134. Lowetide says:

    Munny:
    Just listening to the Chia interview…

    “With what we know about our injured players”

    Something has gone sideways.

    Sekera.

  135. Jethro Tull says:

    workaroundaccount: Kobe Bryant, Ed Hervey,even Steve Nash (Divorced his wife one day after ahe gave birth).

    Not sure Steve Nash is a good example. That was more like he unwilling to raise a kid visually obviously not his after multiple denials from his wife that she was cheating, after said birth, she then admitted all.

    It’d take a strong person to forgive and forget that.

  136. Lowetide says:

    Samorukov with an assist on the first Russian goal.

  137. Side says:

    workaroundaccount: Kobe Bryant, Ed Hervey,even Steve Nash (Divorced his wife one day after ahe gave birth).

    Michael Jordan. He was a colossal asshole to his teammates, to opposition, to everyone and many consider him to be the GOAT of basketball.

    Even after retiring he’s still an asshole!

  138. workaroundaccount says:

    Jethro Tull: Not sure Steve Nash is a good example. That was more like he unwilling to raise a kid visually obviously not his after multiple denials from his wife that she was cheating, after said birth, she then admitted all.

    It’d take a strong person to forgive and forget that.

    Pretty sure that’s bad rumors. The kid has the exact same blue eyes, and he’s not getting those peepers from JR or his mom.

  139. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull: Not sure Steve Nash is a good example. That was more like he unwilling to raise a kid visually obviously not his after multiple denials from his wife that she was cheating, after said birth, she then admitted all.

    It’d take a strong person to forgive and forget that.

    So,
    All in all just a silly misunderstanding;
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

  140. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: Lol. Comes in size Shaka when the walls fell.

    Haha

  141. Jethro Tull says:

    workaroundaccount: Pretty sure that’s bad rumors. The kid has the exact same blue eyes, and he’s not getting those peepers from JR or his mom.

    We’ll see what TMZ has to say!

    Let’s not forget Schumey. Actually rammed anybody who was close to winning off the track.

  142. Rondo says:

    Bouchard looks shaky on D

  143. Sierra says:

    Rondo:
    Bouchard looks shaky on D

    I was thinking the same.

  144. Lowetide says:

    Via Jack Michaels

    Oilers vs WPG:

    Khaira-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Draisaitl-Spooner
    Gambardella-Brodziak-Kassian

    Jones-Larsson
    Nurse-Petrovic
    Manning-Benning

    Koskinen

  145. Gerta Rauss says:

    god speed Caleb Jones

  146. pts2pndr says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that it’s Dec. 31 and we are not dressing one winger with 4 goals. How is that even possible and where does this stack up historically? Holy crap that’s bad. How is it even possible. WTF!!!!

    Think about this for a second both Drasaitl and Nuge have played wing this year both will have 20 plus goals. Chiasson who is out with an injury. Any way you slice it it is not good but it is not the total doom scenario that people are saying it is! Reality is better than the total end of the world scenario that seems to pervade the site today.

  147. Glovjuice says:

    Sierra: I was thinking the same.

    Risky pick. And, totally unnecessary. Same as Yamo – small “skill” players are only the correct option when you get the right ones. Wow.

  148. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
    Via Jack Michaels

    Oilers vs WPG:

    Khaira-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Draisaitl-Spooner
    Gambardella-Brodziak-Kassian

    Jones-Larsson
    Nurse-Petrovic
    Manning-Benning

    Koskinen

    Hmmm, let’s see..
    Our centers look good.
    We got 2 4th line wingers on the 1st line.
    JP is in his 3rd rookie season
    The rest should be on waivers or permanently in the AHL.
    And That D is the reason I bought some Rum this morning

  149. Munny says:

    Lowetide: Sekera.

    Our Achilles heel…

  150. Professor Q says:

    From the atmosphere as of late, and people from other teams trying to “save” McDavid (or unfortunately Oilers “fans” doing the same, so they believe):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I65PxlOlHA4

    At work, our post-Christmas playlist is a very enjoyable 50s-60s revival. Jersey Boys (er…correction, The Four Seasons, or is it The 4 Seasons?!), Elvis, Beach Boys, the works! This song came on and made me think of McDavid Poachers.

    Maybe our next GM could be a Bird Dog to another team, though…

  151. workaroundaccount says:

    pts2pndr: Think about this for a second both Drasaitl and Nuge have played wing this year both will have 20 plus goals. Chiasson who is out with an injury. Any way you slice it it is not good but it is not the total doom scenario that people are saying it is! Reality is better than the total end of the world scenario that seems to pervade the site today.

    The only way you make wing look ok is if you count Drai or nuge twice. If Nuge is a wing then 3C has been a huge problem.

  152. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny: Our Achilles heel…

    lol

  153. Pescador says:

    Munny: Our Achilles heel…

    Nice

  154. Professor Q says:

    Munny: Our Achilles heel…

    These sort of jokes tendon not go unappreciated for long.

  155. Munny says:

    Pujo looks frisky early.

  156. Munny says:

    Professor Q: These sort of jokes tendon not go unappreciated for long.

    Spoken like a true homer.

  157. Gerta Rauss says:

    Nurse-Petro could be an angry pairing

  158. Munny says:

    Ohmygord do they look like Gambardellas.

  159. OmJo says:

    Doesn’t sound like the crowd has embraced Manning lol

  160. Gerta Rauss says:

    well here we go…..PP WPG

  161. Professor Q says:

    “Player randomly turned into a stick, and fell down. Thus, intentional tripping.”

    – NHL Refs

  162. Sierra says:

    Rondo:
    Bouchard looks shaky on D

    To me, Bouchard looks very stiff-legged when he isn’t carrying the puck. It’s a weird look.

  163. Munny says:

    Angry away…

  164. Sierra says:

    Nice d by Bouchard

  165. Caller Zen says:

    Who else is excited to see the propaganda piece on Manning & McDavid during the 1st intermission?

  166. OmJo says:

    Puljujarvi in a scrum???

  167. Sierra says:

    Russia & Canada tied at 1 after 2 periods. Heck of a game.

  168. OmJo says:

    Is sportsnet having technical problems or just my feed?

  169. Lowetide says:

    Nuge scored.

  170. Gerta Rauss says:

    Nuge baby

  171. OmJo says:

    Nuuuuuge!!!!

  172. Munny says:

    Was that blonde in the crowd trying to pick me up?

    Oh and Nugget scored.

  173. Gerta Rauss says:

    OmJo:
    Is sportsnet having technical problems or just my feed?

    I’m having problems on the West coast so I think the problem is from the source (no sound, the picture is choppy)

    I had some problems 2 nights ago during the SJ game but that was a Shaw cable issue(pixellation)

  174. Rondo says:

    How was that not interference on McDavid.

  175. Ribs says:

    Nuge with McDavid makes me happy.

  176. Munny says:

    OmJo,

    Gerta Rauss,

    Same here south of the Mason-Dixon (Red Deer).

  177. Hockey Project says:

    I thought for sure that Manning would be called for that hit in the corner. People here would be beside themselves it that happened to an Oiler.

  178. Munny says:

    No tripping, how?

  179. Oil2Oilers says:

    Serious question, what has happened to Lucic’s ability to take and make a pass? At least two, all be it firm, passes to Lucic from Puljujarvi have been missed by the big guy. Is this just a confidence thing?

  180. Zelepukin says:

    The Drai-Spooner-Reider line needs a nickname, like the wide-turners.

  181. Munny says:

    Well they didn’t look like Tampa Bay out there, but on the other hand there was a genuine dearth of HUA moments.

  182. Pescador says:

    Good road period by the team in Blue

  183. Zelepukin says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Serious question, what has happened to Lucic’s ability to take and make a pass? At least two, all be it firm, passes to Lucic from Puljujarvi have been missed by the big guy. Is this just a confidence thing?

    I think it could be an eyesight thing. You’ll notice that when the puck comes to him, he has to take an extra sec and stare down at the puck. It’s like a 5yr old.

  184. Pescador says:

    Munny:
    Was that blonde in the crowd trying to pick me up?

    Oh and Nugget scored.

    Yes, he was smokin hot too

  185. OmJo says:

    Gerta Rauss: I’m having problems on the West coast so I think the problem is from the source (no sound, the picture is choppy)

    I had some problems 2 nights ago during the SJ game but that was a Shaw cable issue(pixellation)

    In in Edmonton (with Shaw) so looks like they haven’t fixed it though it’s been stable since I posted that

  186. pitlickdinner says:

    Zelepukin:
    The Drai-Spooner-Reider line needs a nickname, like the wide-turners.

    i’m ok with Reider’s angles. it’s Drai that has been the worst offender in the DZ and NZ, but we don’t complain until his offense hits a dry spell.

  187. Jethro Tull says:

    Zelepukin:
    The Drai-Spooner-Reider line needs a nickname, like the wide-turners.

    Siegfried Line

  188. Oil2Oilers says:

    Zelepukin: I think it could be an eyesight thing. You’ll notice that when the puck comes to him, he has to take an extra sec and stare down at the puck. It’s like a 5yr old.

    This is possible, these are skills I know he had, and unlike quickness and stamina I did not think would errode with age (in pro athletes careers)

  189. pitlickdinner says:

    Zelepukin: I think it could be an eyesight thing. You’ll notice that when the puck comes to him, he has to take an extra sec and stare down at the puck. It’s like a 5yr old.

    i see that too, but i figured it was a symptom of low confidence.

  190. Professor Q says:

    Zelepukin: I think it could be an eyesight thing. You’ll notice that when the puck comes to him, he has to take an extra sec and stare down at the puck. It’s like a 5yr old.

    I really don’t understand the eyesight claim.

    He had special contact lenses and then LASER eye surgery in his first few seasons to correct the issue, and said the difference was extremely noticeable and game changing. One would think it would be something he’d notice quicker and keep an eye on more frequently than others due to that.

  191. docweb says:

    I think it is more of an “Oldtimer” symptom. He needs the pass on the tape, at the right speed, or he bobbles it. Unlike say McDavid who picks up any pass in a 6 foot radius at full speed and doesn’t lose a step.

  192. Munny says:

    Lucic will never score again.

  193. hunter1909 says:

    Reider gets a clear shot, misses and you realize he’s trying to not be called Toby.

  194. Munny says:

    Great cover by Petrovic on the Nurse foray.

  195. Gerta Rauss says:

    Khaira with a Coffey-like end to end rush and a backhand

  196. Sierra says:

    Shen scores for Russia. 2-1 Russia with 9 minutes left.

    Looked like a harmless rush to the outside then the D was beat and F1 wasn’t quick enough to help and Bouchard didn’t anticipate having to defend the box.

  197. Lowetide says:

    Poor play by Benning there. 1-1

  198. Pescador says:

    Benning, are you fucking kidding me????

  199. Gerta Rauss says:

    that sounded like it hit something

    *edit-maybe not

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