Game 40 2018-19: Oilers at Coyotes

by Lowetide

Robert Nilsson began the 2009-10 NHL season as an offensive option for Pat Quinn’s first Edmonton Oilers team. On opening night, he had played in 192 NHL games, posting an average of 39 points per 82 games. By the spring, he found himself being bought out by the Oilers. He had played his last game in the NHL.

That 2009-10 Oilers season delivered a mortal (or near) blow to the NHL careers of Patrick O’Sullivan, Denis Grebeshkov, Marc Pouliot, Ethan Moreau, Sheldon Souray, Zack Stortini and Jeff Deslauriers while shortening many others. Some of those names found other NHL teams, but on the fringe of NHL rosters, as curios. Playing on a bad NHL team is a must to avoid, it can be a career killer. Fear is a great motivator. There’s half a season to go.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton is going to bring it all season long. Proud to be part of a lineup that is ready to cover the coming year. Outstanding coverage from a large group, including Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis, Lowetide, Minnia Feng and Pat McLean. If you haven’t subscribed yet, now’s your chance. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Pierre Lebrun: LeBrun Notebook: Chiarelli under pressure to deliver in Edmonton.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Peter Chiarelli’s reasoning for acquiring Brandon Manning doesn’t add up
  • New Lowetide: Oilers No. 9 prospect Winter 2018: Joel Persson.
  • New Lowetide: Oilers acquire Brandon Manning in a Sunday shocker, and this ought to be interesting.
  • New Lowetide: Oilers acquire Alexander Petrovic from Panthers, flushing Chris Wideman and a 2019 third-round pick in the trade.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Struggling Oilers counting on Kris Russell to revitalize depleted defence.
  • New Minnia Feng: The head-scratching scenarios, cringe-worthy lines and questionable graphics in commercials featuring NHL players.
  • Lowetide: In a ‘Hail Mary’ roster shuffle, Oilers recall Kailer Yamamoto, waive Valentin Zykov and place Alex Chiasson on IR.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 40

  • Oilers in 2015: 16-21-3, 35 points; goal differential -22
  • Oilers in 2016: 20-13-7, 47 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 17-20-3, 37 points; goal differential -17
  • Oilers in 2018: 18-18-3, 39 points; goal differential -7

It’s easier to surround this year’s team when looking at the three previous seasons. Clearly better than the two also-rans, while also being some distance from the playoff group. We’re at the midway point of the season now (basically) and the Oilers are nowhere near 45 points, let alone 50. The season is sliding away.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in January 2017: 0-1-0, no points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2018: 0-1-0, no points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in January 2019: 0-0-0, no points; goal differential nil

A win in 2016’s January opener followed by two losses in the following years. At this point, the Oilers just want to stop the bleeding. The club has a three-point lead on tonight’s opponent, and both teams have struggled in their most recent 10-game segments.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • On the road to: Arizona, Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: nil

ETHAN BEAR

At some point in the next two months, the Oilers will be either trading picks and prospects for immediate help or recalling Condors to have a look. I published Eric Rodgers forwards numbers here and the team has already recalled most of the top men (Jesse Puljujarvi, Cooper Marody, Kailer Yamamoto, Joe Gambardella) in the season’s first half.

Among the blue, Caleb Jones and Kevin Gravel are in the NHL now, Jones is looking like he’s going to be there for the next 15 years. I would guess Ethan Bear and William Lagesson are next to be recalled, but it’s also possible those names (and the ones above) could be used in a trade to shore things up. For instance, when Pierre Lebrun writes about Jake Muzzin of the Los Angeles Kings as a trade target (he has a year left after this one, $4 million AAV), does some combination of the second-round pick, Jesse Puljujarvi, Ethan Bear, Kailer Yamamoto get it done? Or are we talking about the first-round selection? Here are the forwards.

CALEB JONES

  • Ken Hitchcock on Caleb Jones: “There’s something uncoachable and that’s calmness under fire. You’ve either got that or you don’t & he’s got it.”

I don’t recall anyone projecting Jones as having this kind of immediate impact (I ranked him beginning summer 2015: 17, 13, 7, 7, 4, 4, 8 (combined ranking at The Athletic) and then No. 7 this winter) but it’s clear he belongs.

That’s why you keep your powder dry and give your scouts a seat in each round of the draft. I believe this organization has improved at the draft table. Caleb Jones was chosen in 2015, two months after Chiarelli arrived. The scouting staff that hit the highway in the winter of 2014-15 uncovered him. I don’t think it’s wise to trade draft picks in a mad dash for the No. 8 playoff spot. Stay the course, make your solutions graduating AHL players who came through the system. Caleb Jones cap hit next year will be $815,000 a gigantic saving compared to Kris Russell or even Brandon Manning. Go back and look at the 2005-06 team the value deals (Hemsky, Horcoff, Pisani, Torres, Stoll, M-A Bergeron), mostly coming through the draft.

There is hope, you can see it in the numbers above (thanks Jay Woodcroft). What’s more, there is more talent coming next fall to Bakersfield. Here are the players I believe may be turning pro next year:

  • Goal: Hayden Hawkey
  • Left Defense: Dmitri Samorukov
  • Right Defense: Evan Bouchard, Joel Persson, Filip Berglund, Phil Kemp
  • Center: Ryan McLeod
  • Left Winger: Kirill Maksimov
  • Right Winger: Ostap Safin

The team might have to cash a defensive prospect for a forward who is turning pro, but the talent pushing up is substantial.

SITUATION CRITICAL

I believe the first round pick is in play, and that isn’t sound thinking. Why? It’s wrongheaded to devote valuable assets in order to make the final playoff position. This roster has major flaws, and further the team does need to invest playing time on youngsters to see how they shine.

Daryl Katz needs a playoff series, Peter Chiarelli needs to save his job. These aren’t good enough reasons to trade the first-round selection.

Let’s play a game of ‘what if?’ for a moment. What if the Oilers miss the playoffs and Peter Chiarelli loses his job? It will mean upheaval, a reset in many areas and could well mean the new GM trades Jesse Puljujarvi and other young assets in order to make the team his own. Common practice. The Oilers need specific things and they may not come available immediately, but the new general manager will be under less pressure to force things to happen (forcing a deal is a terrible negotiation strategy).

What if the Oilers miss the playoffs and Mr. Katz suffers losses in renewals? In one way, that’s a bitter pill. Oilers fans giving up their tickets won’t be doing it out of joy, but rather frustration. On the other hand, perhaps it will give Mr. Katz time to have quiet contemplation about his management team and why things continually work out this way.

WHAT TO DO ABOUT LUCIC?

My Grandpa had three fingers on his right hand, Pinky and the one next to it lost in a sawmill accident. Men from his generation had all kinds of ills we don’t have, my Dad had nerve damage from the war and terrible hearing also because of the war.

Grandpa handled it by never thinking of it. He just did what he had to, getting his grandkids to help when he couldn’t and using hooks to lift hay bales (I remember the woosh of that fracking hook flying by my skull when I helped him as a teenager).

Milan Lucic’s contract is set in stone, like those monuments at Yankee Stadium that used to be in play (seriously) 60 years ago. Each summer, the general manager needs to find the cap, subtract $6 million and then proceed with that number.

Suspect the new general manager will instruct his coach to play the 12 best forwards, and at that point Lucic won’t see the ice as often, possibly at all. Tyler Benson may take the job next fall, and become a value contract.

What Peter Chiarelli or his replacement can do is offload the excess. Buying out Ryan Spooner saves $2.667 million next season. Kris Russell has to give Edmonton a list of 10 teams he’ll agree to join via trade this summer. Andrej Sekera is injured, so trading him is more difficult but he needs to give the team a 15-team list this summer. Maybe he hits LTIR.

I’m not saying don’t worry about the Lucic deal, if a trade can be made then make it with extreme prejudice. Buying out his contract saves the club $2.375 million next season, less than Spooner’s buyout, and the payout reduces from there.

Lucic and his contract are like my Grandpa and his accident: Sucks, but you have to find a workaround.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We’re back and the schedule holds for a long time now, Lowdown hits the air at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. Bruce will introduce you to each weekend transaction. He’s going to be there awhile.
  • Kris Abbott, OddsShark.com. We’ll chat about Bowl game results and what we can learn, and the NFL weekend ahead. Plus, Oilers.
  • Jon Abbott, TSN1040 Vancouver. World Junior’s pbp man updates us on the state of the team.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

452 comments
0

You may also like

452 comments

workaroundaccount January 3, 2019 - 5:29 pm

Wilde:
Spooner’s unpopular here, but I think the team should pour a least half much into getting him going as they did Milan Lucic.

(Because that’s entirely more likely to bear fruit)

He’s 26 and he has 308 games played; he’s delivered offense every other season but this one. This isn’t a buyout candidate for me.

3 forwards under 30 on this team have a better scoring history than him, and his only year of under-delivery there is this one, on a horrific NYR team and the bottom-end of a top-heavy EDM team. I like his boots and his puck skill more than most of this roster.

Though 2016-17 and 2017-18, he was –

67th percentile shot contributor (shots and shot assists)

81st percentile shot assister

31st percentile volume shooter

78th percentile in entries with possession

84th percentile in possession entry %

72nd percentile in exits with possession

89th percentile in possession exit %

He delivers 2.07, 2.01, 1.29, 2.49, 2.52 5v5 points per hour during his full seasons until this year, turns 26 and he suddenly isn’t an NHLer anymore?

Is he a complementary player that doesn’t drive possession and doesn’t penalty kill?

Yes.

Is there room for that on a roster with 6 forwards scoring less than him 5v5 during his Edmonton (minimum 100 minutes) tenure, during his worst season?

Also yes.

Particularly if you want to run the three skill centres separately.

I don’t know if I agree to this extent, but I also don’t see the logic in buying out Spooner. This team isn’t competing next year and they have to fill the roster somehow.. I think Zykov and spooner were both worth legitimate looks.

Richard S.S. January 3, 2019 - 5:08 pm

People incapable of enjoying an Oiler win must be Flames fan. So get the eff on this site until you learn better etiquettes/sense of preservation.

Jethro Tull January 3, 2019 - 8:56 am

Glovjuice: Mother of Pearl is their best song. Anyway. I am a very big fan of Roxy Music and, correct, I know very few of their lyrics. Same as for a band like Radiohead where I have heard their albums hundreds of times and still don’t know all the song titles; let alone lyrics. I listen to the vocals like an instrument. Counter to many, I agree. I love Dylan but don’t know his lyrics almost at all – his phrasing and delivery is stunning, and I focus on that. I have about 3000 CDs and records and about 2000 downloaded albums as well and am a drummer (a bad one) so listen to music a lot but simply don’t focus on lyrics. I’ve heard Tom Sawyer a thousand times and STILL don’t know the lyrics. So, yes, I don’t know all the lyrics to Roxy Music and am still a massive fan. Wow, man.

I think we’re approaching the same point from two completely different directions. I, like so many others here, am a big music fan.

I get your concept of listening to the artist’s voice like an instrument, but like anything abstract such as art and music, it sometimes is beneficial to question what you know. Indeed this is very much what lots of artists strive for and why I think many of us here are music fans. But the message in the lyrics is often important.

I grew up on a thorough grounding of 50s, 60s and 70s music during the 80s from, ahem, Jethro Tull through to ABBA. My coming of age was through the early 90s Madchester scene. And lots of Beastie Boys. I then married a music mad tree planter from Peace River(longer story) and we combined our collections, from Clutch, through to Ween.

My personal preferences? Anything I like at the time! Can’t agree on Dylan, though. Love his songs…..sung by other people. Oh, there’s no such thing as a bad drummer, just everyone else out of time. 😉

Admiral Ackbar January 3, 2019 - 8:31 am

SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

I see what you’re doing here, in a Sam Harris-sequel fashion. Let’s paraphrase your thesis to be even more clear because calling the Oilers ‘young’ and and equating this to a stage of growth is a bit misleading. They’ve been ‘young’ for some time. I think calling it a team that consistently plays it’s dmen higher in the order than they would on a properly managed team with depth. Combine that with the identical illness at forward. Add in big questions at G.

What other teams experience these ails?

Toronto? Not at F.
Dallas? Maybe, if Bishop is out too.
Min? Deep at F and D with good G.
Chi? Perhaps but not a ‘young’ team. Apples to oranges.
LA? Need Quick out and they have depth at F (albeit slow depth).

I’d paraphrase your thesis to: a team losing its #1 & #4 dmen that lack depth all over the lineup and consistently play most positions higher in the order than they should while having immense questions at G. I think this removes questions and confirms itself rather easily. A team ‘like ‘ the Oilers crashes and burns under this criteria. They key caveat is that there are not many teams in this league like the Oilers. Simple case & point: Oilers by far in dead last in GF when ignoring the top 5 goal scorers.

Remember the game against Dallas, their best comparable, when Klefbom & Russell we’re there but McD was out with illness? If I remember it correctly, they played a tight D and the score flattered them.

Lowetide January 3, 2019 - 8:11 am

For The Athletic: What could the Oilers acquire in a Jesse Puljujarvi trade?

https://theathletic.com/745790/2019/01/03/lowetide-what-could-the-oilers-acquire-in-a-jesse-puljujarvi-trade/

OriginalPouzar January 3, 2019 - 7:44 am

Coach’s post-game last night made it sound like Chiasson is almost for sure back for Saturday (talked about it giving him options for the first line). Not sure about Russell.

It was interesting to note that, while most of the the fans, bloggers, etc. on social media haven’t really like Petrovic’s or Manning’s first couple games (morose Manning than Petrovic), coach used the phrase “thank god” management got those two d-men.

Personally, I think its more lip service than anything from the coach but I am happy that we acquired Petrovic (while thinking that Gravel should be playing over Manning).

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! January 3, 2019 - 7:32 am

knighttown,

Ok I probably wasn’t clear in my postings so I’ll try and wrap this up more coherently.

To start with I want to clarify what I originally discussed in my post – the effect of losing multiple defensemen to injury on a team still building and how that would impact the rest of the team.

1) I wanted to talk about the impact of a team losing the players that occupy the #1D and #4D roles on their team that is why I opened my first post with the wording I did. Below is what I wrote and I honestly don’t think I deviated far from it

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
So leading up to the Klefbom/Russell Injuries the narrative was:

1) Horses aren’t elite BUT with the right coach playoffs are attainable

Klefbom/Rusell get hurt the narrative is:

2) Everybody (except CmD, Drai, Nuge) and everything sucks.

The answer is probably – holy shit when you remove 2 of the 6 dmen a team has it shows up really really quick.

Thought experiment alert, with the provisio of “I am not saying all players are equal only that they occupy similar roles on the teams in question,”

Toronto – remove Reilly and Hainsey and what happens?

Calgary – remove Giordano and Brodie and what happens?

Vancouver – remove Edler and Gubranson and what happens?

Colorado – remove Barrie and Johnson and what happens?

Buffalo – remove Ristolainen and Scandella and what happens?

Add into that some Mike Smith/Cam Talbot circa Jan-March 2018 level goaltending (likely impacted by the d-injuries but ugly nonetheless,) and a slide is all but guaranteed for any of the teams above.

Point – very very very few young up and coming teams could withstand losing two of their top 6 dmen and that includes a couple of the standout young teams.

2) I don’t really care about the individual contracts or where these players would slot on another team. That is irrelevant to the fact that up until they were injured Klef played the #1D role and Russell played the #4D role for the Oilers.

I went out of my way to say “I am not saying all players are equal only that they occupy similar roles on the teams in question.”

Would it be nice to have Klingberg or Petro slotted in there? Ya sure, but the Oilers don’t they have Klefbom and Russell and those two kept even crappier options further down the depth chart. Just like the players I cited in my example above do for their respective teams who are also very thin on defense.

3) Younger teams are usually thin at different positions, magnifying the effects of injury at said positions. I asked a thought experiment question of what happens when you look at select young teams and pull out the defensemen playing the #1D and #4D roles. I chose the ones I did because those teams, are young and building and are equal to or better than the Oilers. They would have similar issues in trying to cover injuries to their #1 and #4 Dmen, which shows that this is not a unique problem to the Oilers.

I used Toronto as an example because I think the comparison is very apt but I also went too far so let me clarify. Toronto can cover for Matthews and Nylander – they are deep up front nobody denies that. Toronto would have a much tougher time covering for the type of injury that hit the Oilers – losing #1 (Reilly) and #4 (say Hainsey) Dmen and the loss of those two would likely have a significant impact on the rest of the team because the Leafs are incredibly thin on Defense and already rely on Andersen to bail them out. The same thought experiment applies to the other teams I cited, despite have good/great players at other positions, I think it would be a giant impact on the teams performance to lose the guys playing #1 and #4 defense.

#1 – #3 is the thrust of my original post. Take out the #1 and #4 dmen on younger comparable teams and they would struggle. I think where we lost the thread is when I responded to your giant injury list in your first post so lets look at that and I will try and be clearer.

4) I agree that all teams have to deal with injuries. I said right away that older teams in the 25-32 age bracket will be better able to weather injuries because of the experience in the roster. I gave a list of teams that can and have weathered those sorts of injuries and it is quoted below.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
knighttown,

Teams I should have added to my 25-32 bracket that can withstand injuries list – Boston, Winnipeg

In the post I specifically mentioned that teams like Tampa/Nashville/Washington/Pittsburgh can in fact weather that sort of storm because of the age/experience of their core.

5) In response to you tossing out a giant list of injuries on every team, I simply checked the points totals they currently have and compared them with the Oilers. That is not an exact science because those injuries occurred at different points in the season. However, because a big section of those teams are so close to the Oilers in the overall standings as of yesterday it appears that yes those injuries impacted the teams performance. That appears to lend strength to my point that younger teams aren’t the best at covering significant injuries. However, there are teams on that list (Dallas, Chicago, Minny, St Louis, LA) that aren’t exactly young but are having trouble covering for those injuries you cited nonetheless.

6) #4 and #5 are largely irrelevant though because that isn’t what I was discussing in the first place. I wanted to discuss the loss of a teams #1 and #4 defensemen and how that would impact a younger teams performance. Some teams have better depth at certain positions, Calgary and Toronto have good forward depth so they can weather injuries to Backlund and Matthews/Nylander, despite those players being very good at what they do.

My argument was that if those same teams suffered the same injuries the Oilers did with Klef and Russell they would also be in some trouble. Would Calgary be able to handle it better given their roster? Ya maybe, but maybe not. Would Toronto? No almost certainly not, they don’t have the depth at D to cover for that and neither do Colorado, Buffalo or Vancouver.

And that is the point, when you are in a building phase, as opposed to locked and loaded for contention, most teams are in fact weak/thin at certain positions. I made a list of teams who I think are good comparisons for the Oilers and asked folks to consider what would happen if those teams lost their #1 and #4 Dmen to injury in the same game while remembering another very important D cog who is signed and costs real money that you can’t waive away has been injured for two years.

Chia has made some really really bad moves and some players have yet to grow into the roles expected of them. But the injuries to Sekera, Klef and Russell are very impactful in their own right because all of those guys are vital to the Oilers blueline. My point here is that despite our constant navel gazing and muttering very few teams in a similar position to the Oilers at this stage could weather those three injuries and come out smelling like roses. Its a very tough hand to play for a team who’s entire core is still outside the 25-32 age bracket.

Sorry to everyone for the repeated walls of text on this thread 🙂

Glovjuice January 3, 2019 - 7:27 am

Oh, and I own a $30,000 stereo that plays vocals very clearly and I STILL know very few from most songs I’ve heard hundreds of times.

Glovjuice January 3, 2019 - 7:22 am

Jethro Tull: Huge Roxy Music fan that doesn’t know the lyrics to arguably their best song? Um, yup.

Mother of Pearl is their best song. Anyway. I am a very big fan of Roxy Music and, correct, I know very few of their lyrics. Same as for a band like Radiohead where I have heard their albums hundreds of times and still don’t know all the song titles; let alone lyrics. I listen to the vocals like an instrument. Counter to many, I agree. I love Dylan but don’t know his lyrics almost at all – his phrasing and delivery is stunning, and I focus on that. I have about 3000 CDs and records and about 2000 downloaded albums as well and am a drummer (a bad one) so listen to music a lot but simply don’t focus on lyrics. I’ve heard Tom Sawyer a thousand times and STILL don’t know the lyrics. So, yes, I don’t know all the lyrics to Roxy Music and am still a massive fan. Wow, man.

Jethro Tull January 3, 2019 - 5:25 am

Glovjuice: Um, yup.

Huge Roxy Music fan that doesn’t know the lyrics to arguably their best song? Um, yup.

OriginalPouzar January 3, 2019 - 4:51 am

Absolutely Spooner is overpaid for his current level of production, however, his cap hit of $3.1M is value for his historical level of production.

Sometimes players have off years, it happens. Given current roster construction and lack of scoring on the wing and secondary scoring in general, I see absolutely no reason to even contemplate buying this player out but hope that he regains his historical norm scoring level which would put him in the top 6 oh this team.

Wilde January 3, 2019 - 4:30 am

Basically, he’s a player that needs to be carried to produce offense on a team filled with players who won’t produce offense even if they are carried.

Wilde January 3, 2019 - 3:57 am

Spooner’s unpopular here, but I think the team should pour a least half much into getting him going as they did Milan Lucic.

(Because that’s entirely more likely to bear fruit)

He’s 26 and he has 308 games played; he’s delivered offense every other season but this one. This isn’t a buyout candidate for me.

3 forwards under 30 on this team have a better scoring history than him, and his only year of under-delivery there is this one, on a horrific NYR team and the bottom-end of a top-heavy EDM team. I like his boots and his puck skill more than most of this roster.

Though 2016-17 and 2017-18, he was –

67th percentile shot contributor (shots and shot assists)

81st percentile shot assister

31st percentile volume shooter

78th percentile in entries with possession

84th percentile in possession entry %

72nd percentile in exits with possession

89th percentile in possession exit %

He delivers 2.07, 2.01, 1.29, 2.49, 2.52 5v5 points per hour during his full seasons until this year, turns 26 and he suddenly isn’t an NHLer anymore?

Is he a complementary player that doesn’t drive possession and doesn’t penalty kill?

Yes.

Is there room for that on a roster with 6 forwards scoring less than him 5v5 during his Edmonton (minimum 100 minutes) tenure, during his worst season?

Also yes.

Particularly if you want to run the three skill centres separately.

OriginalPouzar January 3, 2019 - 2:26 am

Hopefully we see Russell and Chiasson in for Manning and Gambradella on Saturday – that will make this a better hockey team.

OriginalPouzar January 3, 2019 - 2:22 am

Sierra:
Is Gravel injured?

Nope – Manning is playing over him at this point.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:55 pm

–hudson–:
Some interesting tidbits from Hitch on data they gather from players during practice in the pregame
https://youtu.be/JTeml7YUXKg

That is very interesting indeed.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:50 pm

Hot goalie, McDrei on their games and score, D defend hard and conscientous forward defending, limit 5 bell chances… we might be a 60% team. There’s still a chance. Good teams still take us to school probably. Keep same line up. If Russell good, .. rest him one more day.

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 11:49 pm

Decidedly Skeptical Fan: To be fair, the Juice does serve up Chinese take-out (music) occasionally. Not really a fan of Mexican food but I do very much like the Chinese.

I enjoy both, variety is the spice of life

--hudson-- January 2, 2019 - 11:49 pm

Some interesting tidbits from Hitch on data they gather from players during practice in the pregame
https://youtu.be/JTeml7YUXKg

Mattaklap January 2, 2019 - 11:31 pm

Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Lovely game if you really, really, really NEED a win. Hopefully the atmosphere in here will be a little more upbeat tomorrow.

Well put. Personally I might dry heave a bit when I see the fancies LT posts tomorrow, but until then…

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 11:27 pm

Decidedly Skeptical Fan: To be fair, the Juice does serve up Chinese take-out (music) occasionally. Not really a fan of Mexican food but I do very much like the Chinese.

No issue with this Glove or Juice, I enjoy a sniff whenever I can get it. I like making music as much as the next guy
Anyone who posts the same tired drivel over & over & over again is my issue.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 11:20 pm

Mattaklap:
Loverly game if you love point shots and zone exits off the glass.

I want to nestle in Connor’s beard, it is a safe place.

Lovely game if you really, really, really NEED a win. Hopefully the atmosphere in here will be a little more upbeat tomorrow.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 11:16 pm

Pescador: Why would anyone else need to call it out?
You serve up that same street taco 2-3 times a day

To be fair, the Juice does serve up Chinese take-out (music) occasionally. Not really a fan of Mexican food but I do very much like the Chinese.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 11:10 pm

Leon with a great night on the dot. Still trying to figure out how a lazy guy does that.

Mattaklap January 2, 2019 - 10:58 pm

Loverly game if you love point shots and zone exits off the glass.

I want to nestle in Connor’s beard, it is a safe place.

JimmyV1965 January 2, 2019 - 10:58 pm

tileguy: What do you think we could get for him, besides 4.1M in cap space?

Wayne Simmonds. Almost an identical contract and he’s having a poor year as well.

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 10:47 pm

Crazy Pedestrian:
Huh… all of a sudden McDavid only 4 points away from league lead in points…

Edit: and Draisaitl now jumps to 8th in points

If he wasn’t so lazy he would be 7th

Ryan January 2, 2019 - 10:45 pm

Sierra: Being what?

He said, “thank god Peter acquired those two defenseman because they already helped out immensely” or something along those lines.

Crazy Pedestrian January 2, 2019 - 10:44 pm

Huh… all of a sudden McDavid only 4 points away from league lead in points…

Edit: and Draisaitl now jumps to 8th in points

Bling January 2, 2019 - 10:43 pm

Sierra,

He said something to the effect of, “Thank god Pete went out and got those two dmen, because they were a big help again.”

Welllllll. Hitch is such a positive guy lol.

Sierra January 2, 2019 - 10:40 pm

Pescador:
Wow Hitch with what I would consider a direct address to the trade detractors

Being what?

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 10:37 pm

tileguy: What do you think we could get for him, besides 4.1M in cap space?

Backup goalies usually cost a 3rd.
Talbot will have another 4-5 starts to prove he’s worth more.
I have my doubts

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 10:31 pm

Wow Hitch with what I would consider a direct address to the trade detractors

Professor Q January 2, 2019 - 10:31 pm

What a sweet win.

The only issue is that every other team in the Pacific also had sweet wins.

Sierra January 2, 2019 - 10:31 pm

Is Gravel injured?

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 10:30 pm
HugThePost January 2, 2019 - 10:22 pm

tileguy: What do you think we could get for him, besides 4.1M in cap space?

2nd rounder at most?
Only chia would give up a 1st rounder for cam

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 10:21 pm

Condors lose 2-1 on late goal – Wells with another start – stopped 25 of 27.

Gust with the lone goal from Day and Benson on the PP.

Chief Inspector January 2, 2019 - 10:20 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Samorukov adds a second assist as he continues to be a big contributor to Team Russia.

Good arrows.

tileguy January 2, 2019 - 10:19 pm

ArmchairGM:
Shall we re-start the Talbot trade talk again? In lieu of draft talk maybe?

What do you think we could get for him, besides 4.1M in cap space?

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 10:18 pm

drglen:
Petrovic clearly moving up the totem pole here…

Petrovic has a history of plus level 3rd pairing defending with some ability to move up to the 2nd pairing.

He has had a terrible year this year however its the outlier as compared to his career norms.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 10:14 pm

The team is running with a 22 man roster so, if both Russell and Chiasson are activated they only need to re-assign one player. One would think that re-assigning Joe G. would be the easy decision but I think that would leave them with zero extra forwards, wouldn’t it? I guess they are running with that now but I”m thinking that they might be thinking about sending Gravel down which, I assume most Oiler fans will NOT be in favor of vis-a-vis Brandon Manning.

Admiral Ackbar January 2, 2019 - 10:13 pm

Tuned in to only a few McDavid shifts. With him off the ice it’s always just, ‘meh’. What’d I miss??

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 10:12 pm

Samorukov adds a second assist as he continues to be a big contributor to Team Russia.

Glovjuice January 2, 2019 - 10:12 pm

Jethro Tull:
Glovjuice,

Love is the drug I’m thinking of.

Um, yup.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 10:11 pm

Pescador: Nope,
Goal scores only,
Must be a member of the ‘5’ club

lol.

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 10:10 pm

drglen:
so.. Zassian get’s to leave practice early tomorrow. ?

Nope,
Goal scores only,
Must be a member of the ‘5’ club

Dicky94 January 2, 2019 - 10:09 pm

Unbeaten in the New Year!!!

drglen January 2, 2019 - 10:08 pm

so.. Zassian get’s to leave practice early tomorrow. ?

drglen January 2, 2019 - 10:07 pm

Jethro Tull: Rhymes with Die Tomi.

pretty funny. but.. yep.

Jethro Tull January 2, 2019 - 10:06 pm

Bulging Twine:
Arizona missing an offensive difference maker.

Rhymes with Die Tomi.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 10:05 pm

HugThePost: He’s texting chia during the game reminding him of the shitty personnel he’s got

lol.. .. but…. Petrovic looked good today. PC lives another day.

Jethro Tull January 2, 2019 - 10:05 pm

Pescador:
Put lucic out of his misery.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 10:05 pm

ArmchairGM:
Shall we re-start the Talbot trade talk again? In lieu of draft talk maybe?

Yes, I believe that would be in order.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 10:04 pm

Arizona missing an offensive difference maker.

HugThePost January 2, 2019 - 10:04 pm

Pescador: Flask

He’s texting chia during the game reminding him of the shitty personnel he’s got

ArmchairGM January 2, 2019 - 10:03 pm

Shall we re-start the Talbot trade talk again? In lieu of draft talk maybe? 😉

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 10:03 pm

Well it was ugly but the bleeding has stopped

On to LA

Paulie January 2, 2019 - 10:02 pm

The only thing rarer than an Oilrt ENG…. Chia winning a trade

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 10:01 pm

Put lucic out

drglen January 2, 2019 - 10:00 pm

Connor, by Kosky a beer after the game… whatever kind he wants!

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 10:00 pm

McDavid empty net goal is the best.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 10:00 pm

yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BONE207 January 2, 2019 - 10:00 pm

CONNOR

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 10:00 pm

ding ding ding

Mcwinner…!

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 9:59 pm

drglen: his lucky moonstone?

Flask

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:59 pm

whew!

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 9:59 pm

omg I thought that was in

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 9:58 pm

Glovjuice: Perhaps this is a good idea regarding our Spooner chat. I just don’t see how this trade is not called out more. Many here just say ‘meh, Stome sucks in NY so shut it.’

I really do like Avalon, though. Played a bunch of Roxy Music yesterday during our homestretch pre-back-to-work happy hour and it was splendid, as always.

Why would anyone else need to call it out?
You serve up that same street taco 2-3 times a day

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:57 pm

Pescador:
Hitch keeps on reaching into his inside jacket pocket.
Wonder what he’s got in there?
-Advil
-Tums
-Shit list

his lucky moonstone?

Bling January 2, 2019 - 9:57 pm

Petrovic with a nice sequence there to interrupt the zone entry.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:57 pm

Petrovic clearly moving up the totem pole here…

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 9:57 pm

We should get an empty net here and I don’t mean that in a good way

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 9:54 pm

Hitch keeps on reaching into his inside jacket pocket.
Wonder what he’s got in there?
-Advil
-Tums
-Shit list

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 9:52 pm
Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 9:51 pm

ArmchairGM:
13 minutes into the period and only 5 total shots. THIS is grinding out a win, Hitchcock-style.

It hasn’t been pretty

Ben January 2, 2019 - 9:51 pm

Hope we can hang on for the Koskiwin, can’t take another Losskinen.

ArmchairGM January 2, 2019 - 9:49 pm

13 minutes into the period and only 5 total shots. THIS is grinding out a win, Hitchcock-style.

Glovjuice January 2, 2019 - 9:47 pm

Bling:
Manning is no good at making the outlet. Prefers to hack the puck out. :/

More decisions counter to winning playing him over Gravel. Mindbendingly crazy.

Jethro Tull January 2, 2019 - 9:47 pm

Glovjuice,

Love is the drug I’m thinking of.

BeerMe January 2, 2019 - 9:44 pm

excellent stickwork by puljujarvi

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:44 pm

petro with jones now… koskinen the key to win this game though.

Glovjuice January 2, 2019 - 9:44 pm

Rube Foster: Ms. Glovjuice,

You are undisputedly correct.The Strome for Spooner trade has hurt the Oilers in realtime.

The blunder is compounded by the fact that they never ran Strome on McDavid’s right side in any meaningful way – puzzling as the verbal upon the Eberle trade was that Strome was coming in to play with McDavid with the belief that he could replicate his younger brother’s chemistry with Connor.Todd ran McDavid and Strome in the 2017 preseason and all they did was score.I don’t recall Strome and McDavid having any meaningful playing time together after that preseason.

The first they do with Spooner upon his acquisition is put him on McDavid’s wing.Just plain weird and tragic utilization of their assets.

Your opinion on the Spooner trade is well known to this group, as are my opinions regarding both Lucic and Spooner.

May I suggest for our mutual well being that we both talk less about Spooner and Lucic and listen more to Roxy Music’s Avalon.Much more soothing and satisfying for you and I and likely less of drag for everyone else:)

Perhaps this is a good idea regarding our Spooner chat. I just don’t see how this trade is not called out more. Many here just say ‘meh, Stome sucks in NY so shut it.’

I really do like Avalon, though. Played a bunch of Roxy Music yesterday during our homestretch pre-back-to-work happy hour ?and it was splendid, as always.

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 9:41 pm

Seeing Yessa good

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 9:41 pm

Yotes turning up the temp.
Oilers holding on
Arse clenched, I’m doing my part

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 9:39 pm

Larsson moving good tonight.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:38 pm

Petro with manning now. see if Matt B gets ice.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:36 pm

Arizona getting shots here… tighten it up!

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:35 pm

how about you give us Richardson and we’ll give you Kyle.

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 9:35 pm

well some good news via the broadcast-both Russell and Chiasson participated in the morning skate and both may be close to returning

Glovjuice January 2, 2019 - 9:35 pm

Wilde: Yakupov /did/ have quickness in the NHL, though.

In fact, that was one of the things that betrayed him.

He often got to the wrong place at the wrong time with impressive agility.

zero separation and drive wide speed, though. It was painful to watch.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:34 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Well, Joe G is 2/6 for 20% Corsi and a -20% CFrel and I saw him make one mistake that could have been very bad.A scramble in our own zone in front of the net – puck pops out to him and he tries, confidently, to skate the puck out instead of dumping it and got stripped for more pressure against.

ouch! yep… 1 goal game.. too risky to see that again.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:33 pm

here we go…

Lowetide January 2, 2019 - 9:31 pm

After 2

2-1 Edmonton (2-0 Edmonton in the second)
25-19 Arizona shots (12-9 Edmonton in the second)
37-27 Arizona Corsi 5-on-5 (20-19 Edmonton in the second)
11-7 Arizona 5-on-5 HDSC (7-5 Edmonton in the second)

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 9:25 pm

Well, Joe G is 2/6 for 20% Corsi and a -20% CFrel and I saw him make one mistake that could have been very bad. A scramble in our own zone in front of the net – puck pops out to him and he tries, confidently, to skate the puck out instead of dumping it and got stripped for more pressure against.

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 9:24 pm

tileguy: I just don’t understand Hitchcock and what he is doing regarding ice times.

Deployment makes perfect sense to me
Hitch has 4-5 good forwards.
The rest suck

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 9:21 pm

Jaxon:
They need to give Khaira scoring linemates. Every time I check back into his effect on linemates CF% using the line tool on Natural Stat Trick, it seems to me that he is one of the only players that consistently improves everyone’s numbers. And to me, that matches the eye test, too. He always looks solid. Calm with the puck, slick hands, good passing and defensive awareness. Plus he’s fast and hits to remove players from the puck. I’m a huge fan. I think Khaira should play with Draisaitl and Chiasson when he’s back.

On this club JJ is a top 6 winger.
He’s like a better version of Ksssian

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:19 pm

Jaxon:
They need to give Khaira scoring linemates. Every time I check back into his effect on linemates CF% using the line tool on Natural Stat Trick, it seems to me that he is one of the only players that consistently improves everyone’s numbers. And to me, that matches the eye test, too. He always looks solid. Calm with the puck, slick hands, good passing and defensive awareness. Plus he’s fast and hits to remove players from the puck. I’m a huge fan. I think Khaira should play with Draisaitl and Chiasson when he’s back.

Agree, .. Khaira kind of silver lining on the season in some ways, and eye test agreed. Tonight though Hitch needs Khaira to become a shut down line or at least a prevent line.. trusting him to help pull this one out.

tileguy January 2, 2019 - 9:18 pm

Pescador: Gambo has been good,
both shifts

I just don’t understand Hitchcock and what he is doing regarding ice times.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:16 pm

Ok good period. Kosky steady at 962. will be interesting to see the deployment in the 3rd. Might not see matt and Brandon. Khaira bit of a sleeper game.. signs of life from spooner.. Ratt Spoon JJ .. good time to step up.

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 9:16 pm

drglen:
gambo not getting much love… might be he’s too worred about Kyle.

Riding Nurse and Jones time wise, but the gap is smaller.Petro playing same as Larsson.. perhaps he sees them as about equal? In which case.. Petro good value.

Gambo has been good,
both shifts

godot10 January 2, 2019 - 9:16 pm

Dr. Taboggan:
Perhaps we should rename the team: The Edmonton Connor McDraisaitls!

#McDraivid

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve January 2, 2019 - 9:15 pm

Perhaps we should rename the team: The Edmonton Connor McDraisaitls!

Jaxon January 2, 2019 - 9:14 pm

They need to give Khaira scoring linemates. Every time I check back into his effect on linemates CF% using the line tool on Natural Stat Trick, it seems to me that he is one of the only players that consistently improves everyone’s numbers. And to me, that matches the eye test, too. He always looks solid. Calm with the puck, slick hands, good passing and defensive awareness. Plus he’s fast and hits to remove players from the puck. I’m a huge fan. I think Khaira should play with Draisaitl and Chiasson when he’s back.

BeerMe January 2, 2019 - 9:12 pm

Looks like we found water in the desert; it’s just a 20 minute hike. Hopefully not a mirage.

tileguy January 2, 2019 - 9:12 pm

Rattie must be a powerplay specialist, never see him on the except during the pp.

Chief Inspector January 2, 2019 - 9:11 pm

Bling:
Larsson has been phenomenal tonight.

Separating guys and some juking and jiving. Me likey.

He is moving well

Bling January 2, 2019 - 9:09 pm

Larsson has been phenomenal tonight.

Separating guys and some juking and jiving. Me likey.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:09 pm

Really riding the mcDrei horse tonight. And why not, we need a win.. Twice as much ice than rest of team, or close to it. Need a win..

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 9:06 pm

Oesterle wearing himself out with those slappers from the point

Lowetide January 2, 2019 - 9:05 pm

Koskinen doing some fine work there.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:04 pm

gambo not getting much love… might be he’s too worred about Kyle.

Riding Nurse and Jones time wise, but the gap is smaller. Petro playing same as Larsson.. perhaps he sees them as about equal? In which case.. Petro good value.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 9:01 pm

Hey we’re winning. Yay Kassian. ( ah.. ya, check drglen blog posts 3 months ago.. looking good at this moment re Kass… well for a few minutes anyways.)

tileguy January 2, 2019 - 9:00 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Nice pass by Kass making me eat a bit of crow for an earlier post.

He did blow the zone early, good thing Drai got the puck out. Just saying.

Jaxon January 2, 2019 - 8:59 pm

Putting someone with speed with McDavid might be a good idea as illustrated by Kassian. It doesn’t leave McDavid all alone on his rushes.

Bling January 2, 2019 - 8:57 pm

OriginalPouzar,

Haha. You and me both!

Bling January 2, 2019 - 8:57 pm

WOW. Great play by Kassian, allow me to go eat crow.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 8:56 pm

Nice pass by Kass making me eat a bit of crow for an earlier post.

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 8:56 pm

hahahahaha…..

McD with the goal..!

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 8:56 pm

Samorukov with an assist as Russia takes a 3-0 lead in the first.

Lowetide January 2, 2019 - 8:56 pm

McDavid scored. Nice dish from Kassian.

Chief Inspector January 2, 2019 - 8:51 pm

Lowetide:
Excellent work by JP, he’s been good tonight.

+1

Bling January 2, 2019 - 8:48 pm

Nice little pass by Lucic there.

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 8:42 pm

PP coming up for the good guys

*edit-the Oilers I mean

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 8:40 pm

Lowetide,

Those are some special numbers…..

Lowetide January 2, 2019 - 8:39 pm

Excellent work by JP, he’s been good tonight.

Bling January 2, 2019 - 8:36 pm

Drai is so good. Damn.

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 8:36 pm

leon!

Rich M January 2, 2019 - 8:35 pm

OriginalPouzar,

What a bum. Trade him.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 8:35 pm

The non-all-star – Leon Draisaitl.

tileguy January 2, 2019 - 8:30 pm

Ice Sage: Spooner’s point blank shot not an HDSC?That’s harsh

Also Nuge dinging the crossbar from the slot.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 8:29 pm

This will be the first time in history that Canada fails to medal on home soil.

Ice Sage January 2, 2019 - 8:27 pm

Lowetide:
After One:

1-0 Arizona
16-7 Arizona shots
18-7 Arizona Corsi 5-on-5
6-0 Arizona HDSC 5-on-5


Yes.

Spooner’s point blank shot not an HDSC? That’s harsh – edit it may have been 4 on 4

tileguy January 2, 2019 - 8:27 pm

OriginalPouzar: Kassian does not belong at all on the top line – he is “fast” but has absolutely no offensive IQ and that’s the most important thing to play with McDavid.

He’s one of the poorest forward choices on the team for that line.

Why dosen’t Hitchcock do that, its been the logical play since the preseason.
Switch Rattie with Kassian and both the first and fourth lines get better.

Jethro Tull January 2, 2019 - 8:26 pm

Dr. Taboggan:
I do like Jones. It is refreshing to have a dman who can make a pass. I miss Chris Fucking Pronger.

Yep. A Hall of Fame d man would be great right about now.

Crazy Pedestrian January 2, 2019 - 8:26 pm

Dr. Taboggan:
It is saddening that a team with McDavid is not only horrible but also horribly boring to watch.

Me thinks that is cause everyone is playing not to lose, afraid to make mistakes. And when your team starts playing afraid, it’s all over. Doesn’t matter how much “grit” they have or how much “checking” they do.

Honestly wondering when McDavid or Drai start feeling like O’Rielly did in Buf last year…

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 8:23 pm

Bling,

I can see the Petrovic bet as we need right handers but thinking Manning is better than Gravel this year takes something special.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve January 2, 2019 - 8:23 pm

I do like Jones. It is refreshing to have a dman who can make a pass. I miss Chris Fucking Pronger.

Crazy Pedestrian January 2, 2019 - 8:21 pm

Seriously… can the fLames go on a 20 game losing streak or something??? It is so painful knowing how much they’re winning…

Now about those oilers…
something something no depth.
something something injured players.
something something chias an idiot.

Bling January 2, 2019 - 8:20 pm

Lowetide,

Gulp.

Bling January 2, 2019 - 8:19 pm

You wonder if Chia, in trying to treat the patient, has actually worsened the disease.

Petrovic and Manning aren’t quick enough and poised enough to retrieve pucks and then outlet them, which is leading to absolute mayhem. JMO, but in limited viewing I think Gravel is better than both.

Lowetide January 2, 2019 - 8:16 pm

After One:

1-0 Arizona
16-7 Arizona shots
18-7 Arizona Corsi 5-on-5
6-0 Arizona HDSC 5-on-5


Yes.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 8:15 pm

Phil Kemp with a couple nice defensive plays on the same shift defending a 2-1 lead for the US late.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve January 2, 2019 - 8:15 pm

It is saddening that a team with McDavid is not only horrible but also horribly boring to watch.

BeerMe January 2, 2019 - 8:13 pm

wandering the desert

drglen January 2, 2019 - 8:13 pm

Ok Hitch seems to have backed off on Petrovic a bit and sneaking up the time for Jones. Nurse still logging about 20% more minutes than the rest.
Good period for spooner… a goal would be nice.

Professor Q January 2, 2019 - 8:11 pm

Well, there is even more reason for the refs to hate the Oilers, I guess.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 8:09 pm

Dont’ underestimate this Richardson guy.. good player.

Ice Sage January 2, 2019 - 8:08 pm

refs did Oil a solid there – ignore the Kassian bear hug and catch the Galchenyuk trip! doesn’t happen often but am trying to be fair in this new year…

drglen January 2, 2019 - 8:07 pm

I’m just gonna call them the ‘menning’ pair..

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 8:06 pm

Bling:
Kassian needs to get that puck out.

He does not belong up on that top line. Sigh.

Kassian does not belong at all on the top line – he is “fast” but has absolutely no offensive IQ and that’s the most important thing to play with McDavid.

He’s one of the poorest forward choices on the team for that line.

Switch Rattie with Kassian and both the first and fourth lines get better.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 8:06 pm

gambo rattie petro jones on PK!

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 8:04 pm

Huge save by Hill there on Spooner (if Spooner gets that to the top half of the net, its a goal).

drglen January 2, 2019 - 8:04 pm

Boarding? What the hell. New NHL. Kyle was just warming up. ..( hmm… this happens a lot doesn’t it?)

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 8:02 pm

Spooner robbed by Lauren Hill

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 8:02 pm

Oo nice play.

jake70 January 2, 2019 - 8:02 pm

Hope Knighttown didn’t see that last rush by Nurse, he will throwing a brick at the TV.

Ice Sage January 2, 2019 - 8:02 pm

Man it’s hard to get inspired by this Oiler team.
Lot’s of pseudo-effort nowadays sans danger.
Need a Finnish bounce.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 8:02 pm

Earth to Darnell, come in please.

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 8:01 pm

Nurse Larsson at the moment

drglen January 2, 2019 - 8:00 pm

everybody but rieder dinged for a minus on that one… Nurse and Petrovic. .. maybe swtich them up.

LMHF#1 January 2, 2019 - 7:59 pm

Gerta Rauss:
At least we got Debrusk tonight, so we’ve got that going for us

Certainly one of the most positive elements so far.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 7:59 pm

guess it didn’t go so well.

leadfarmer January 2, 2019 - 7:59 pm

Nurse. Just no idea how to protect the high danger area

Bling January 2, 2019 - 7:58 pm

Kassian needs to get that puck out.

He does not belong up on that top line. Sigh.

LadiesloveSmid January 2, 2019 - 7:58 pm

Tripled in shots and losing to a weak team.

God I love the oilers like I love bamboo under the fingernails

drglen January 2, 2019 - 7:58 pm

Rieder getting a look with Kass and McD..

JimmyV1965 January 2, 2019 - 7:58 pm

Wilde: You mean, beating someone wide and scoring a goal? Because on some level you have to beat someone wide at some point in order to carry the puck across both bluelines

I mean beating someone wide on the ozone to get even a decent shot.

ArmchairGM January 2, 2019 - 7:58 pm

Nice sequence by Kass there.

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 7:57 pm

Nice tip!

For Arizona.

Lowetide January 2, 2019 - 7:57 pm

Nice shift by Kassian.

jake70 January 2, 2019 - 7:57 pm

Interesting. Garland playing for Arizona. Just couple years back, lit up the Q here in Moncton. We were having debates at the time if he would make the big leagues. Good for him.

leadfarmer January 2, 2019 - 7:56 pm

drglen:
B. Manning with M. Benning.It’s poetry!

Poetry to throw up to

Bling January 2, 2019 - 7:56 pm

Manning is no good at making the outlet. Prefers to hack the puck out. :/

leadfarmer January 2, 2019 - 7:55 pm

Wilde: Yakupov /did/ have quickness in the NHL, though.

In fact, that was one of the things that betrayed him.

He often got to the wrong place at the wrong time with impressive agility.

Those bees could change directions in a hurry
Unfortunately the bees did not coordinate well and some would chase this way and some that way

drglen January 2, 2019 - 7:54 pm

B. Manning with M. Benning. It’s poetry!

leadfarmer January 2, 2019 - 7:53 pm

Hjalmarsson Lucic foot race is kind of funny

drglen January 2, 2019 - 7:53 pm

Nurse with Petrovic.

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 7:53 pm

Gambardella has an insane looking skating technique.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 7:52 pm

easy Lyubushkin.. ..

drglen January 2, 2019 - 7:51 pm

i’m actually just watching the nhl.com livestream ‘play by play’ descriptions tonight. But it ‘looks’ like we’re getting shots. Nuge off the post.. oh so close.

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 7:51 pm

Ice Sage,

Yeah definitely moving it way quicker.

Ice Sage January 2, 2019 - 7:50 pm

npanciroli:
Great powerplay. I really like Rattie.

Agreed. Fast decisive movement. Better late than never?

drglen January 2, 2019 - 7:50 pm

ok… it’s still 0 0. going well.

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 7:49 pm

Great powerplay. I really like Rattie.

Material Elvis January 2, 2019 - 7:48 pm

Nice play by JP to set up Rieder in front.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 7:47 pm

Bulging Twine: Don Cherry will be sure to mention that.He said the hockey gods would pay them back for scoring 14 and celebrating after goals when up that much on Denmark.

well, they should not have done that.

Canada lost hey, that’s too bad.

Oh well, oilers game. Go oilers.

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 7:45 pm

At least we got Debrusk tonight, so we’ve got that going for us

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 7:45 pm

Manning seems like he gets beat wide easily which is strange as he looks like an ok skater.

Rube Foster January 2, 2019 - 7:42 pm

Glovjuice:
Now LT’s posts are entertaining a Spooner buyout. Was anyone here contemplating a buyout for our right shot, penalty-killing 3C that was given up for Spooner? That trade is underrated in how bad it is. What pro scouts saw it as a good trade? Any pro scout that figured it was a good idea cannot still be employed. Did they not whatch Spooner this year? This is crazy.

Ms. Glovjuice,

You are undisputedly correct. The Strome for Spooner trade has hurt the Oilers in realtime.

The blunder is compounded by the fact that they never ran Strome on McDavid’s right side in any meaningful way – puzzling as the verbal upon the Eberle trade was that Strome was coming in to play with McDavid with the belief that he could replicate his younger brother’s chemistry with Connor. Todd ran McDavid and Strome in the 2017 preseason and all they did was score. I don’t recall Strome and McDavid having any meaningful playing time together after that preseason.

The first they do with Spooner upon his acquisition is put him on McDavid’s wing. Just plain weird and tragic utilization of their assets.

Your opinion on the Spooner trade is well known to this group, as are my opinions regarding both Lucic and Spooner.

May I suggest for our mutual well being that we both talk less about Spooner and Lucic and listen more to Roxy Music’s Avalon. Much more soothing and satisfying for you and I and likely less of drag for everyone else:)

Wilde January 2, 2019 - 7:41 pm

Material Elvis:

Those junior scouting reports aren’t worth much at this stage. Nail Yakupov’s scouting report was glowing (great separation and top gear speed) and we all know how that worked out. Jesse definitely has a decent top gear but he isn’t agile or ‘quick’ in tight spaces. He’s a huge guy so it’s understandable that he’s not the most agile player — which, by itself, isn’t a deal breaker. However, if you aren’t nimble and don’t have great hands then your effectiveness is going to be limited. Maybe I’m in the minority with my assessment of Jesse.

Yakupov /did/ have quickness in the NHL, though.

In fact, that was one of the things that betrayed him.

He often got to the wrong place at the wrong time with impressive agility.

Wilde January 2, 2019 - 7:40 pm

Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Is that even possible?

I forgot to mention that that number was “NHL level”, for reference, near Nugent-Hopkins’s

(Also I don’t take HDCF very seriously in terms of thinking that if you get HDCF you should be scoring, but in terms of short-handing pure shot location it’s fine so it was applicable)

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 7:38 pm

Koskinen’s numbers have levelled unless Sportsnet is wrong (always possible).

Material Elvis January 2, 2019 - 7:34 pm

Wilde: “Jesse Puljujarvi is an excellent skater.He has the balance and power in his skating stride to fight through checks and take the puck to the net. Puljujarvi also has the speed and acceleration to beat defenders to the outside on the rush, or to get by them when he gets a small opportunity in the cycle game. He has good agility and can weave through traffic to create opportunities.”

– Top Shelf Prospects; Last Word on Sports

“A strong skater who can blast past the opposition in full speed”

– Eliteprospects

“Skates really well with a strong top end speed and excellent quickness.”

– Future Considerations

“Puljujarvi is a strong, powerful forward with an outstanding burst of speed and first step.”

– Steve Kournianous; The Draft Analyst

“extremely mobile for a player his size”

– Hockey’s Future

I’m not an overly-educated skating mechanics expert, but I think the idea that Jesse has slow feet would be a small minority opinion, and on merit when one considers his statistical ability to generate zone entries compared to his teenage peers during his first two NHL seasons. I don’t know if anyone remembers this, but I checked out who had better zonal transition micro-stats that was around Jesse’s age or U20 in general and found that it was basically just McDavid, Barzal and maybe two others.

I’ll reiterate that I have no qualms with reasonably stated criticisms of Jesse’s current ability to finish, and his shooting technique, but in terms of pure shot location, during Jesse’s 2017-18 he had 3.68 HDCF/60 while playing a ton with Milan Lucic.

Those junior scouting reports aren’t worth much at this stage. Nail Yakupov’s scouting report was glowing (great separation and top gear speed) and we all know how that worked out. Jesse definitely has a decent top gear but he isn’t agile or ‘quick’ in tight spaces. He’s a huge guy so it’s understandable that he’s not the most agile player — which, by itself, isn’t a deal breaker. However, if you aren’t nimble and don’t have great hands then your effectiveness is going to be limited. Maybe I’m in the minority with my assessment of Jesse.

npanciroli January 2, 2019 - 7:34 pm

Haven’t been able to watch the last couple games. Watching this one with my 3 month old! (at home)

Go Oilers!

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 7:25 pm

digger50: One of these days we’ll get there. Right?

Though Wasn’t Tolvanen tearing up the KHL? Do I have that right?

Yup, he tore it up last year in his draft plus 1 year, however, he was demoted to the AHL after a lacklusture start in the NHL and was loaned by NSH to the World Juniors and putting up only 12 points in 24 AHL games and a -10.

Given the foregoing, I would posit that neither player is ahead of the other and Yamamoto has better AHL numbers.

fishman January 2, 2019 - 7:24 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Tough loss for Team Canada there.

I’ll be cheering for Team Russia now – from accounts, Samorukov has been an absolute beast so far in the tournament – now that I’m back I’ll be able to watch – game conflicts with the Oil tonight though.

Yep agreed on Samorukov! See him and Bouchard being top 4 D for lots of years in the NHL!

LMHF#1 January 2, 2019 - 7:24 pm

Why would you ever make no move, and shoot 5-hole on a penalty shot???

That Canadian team didn’t deserve to win. No PP goals outside of Denmark is brutal.

Tipping one into your own net to lose is too.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 7:21 pm

Tough loss for Team Canada there.

I’ll be cheering for Team Russia now – from accounts, Samorukov has been an absolute beast so far in the tournament – now that I’m back I’ll be able to watch – game conflicts with the Oil tonight though.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 7:17 pm

digger50:
Bouchard was awesome in overtime. He does have another gear.

That was encouraging to see

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 7:16 pm

McSorley33:
Canada not meant to win that game…..hockey Gods

Don Cherry will be sure to mention that. He said the hockey gods would pay them back for scoring 14 and celebrating after goals when up that much on Denmark.

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 7:14 pm

That was a shame.

Bouchard was awesome in overtime. He does have another gear.

Very disappointing for young team.

Wilde January 2, 2019 - 7:14 pm

JimmyV1965: I’m not going to crap on JP because the team has screwed this up monumentally, but I don’t recall him ever beating anyone wide. He seems to skate well, but I wouldn’t call it great. Sometimes his edge work seems really good. Sometimes he sucks at it. Puzzling.

You mean, beating someone wide and scoring a goal? Because on some level you have to beat someone wide at some point in order to carry the puck across both bluelines

BeerMe January 2, 2019 - 7:13 pm

Bouchard woulda scored that penalty shot!

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 7:11 pm

Canada not meant to win that game…..hockey Gods

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 7:11 pm

Wow…luck.

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 7:09 pm

Finn’s win in OT after Dobson’s stick breaks with an open net in front of him

Oh my

Suntory Hanzo January 2, 2019 - 7:05 pm

Bouchard draws a penalty shot. Didn’t look slow there.

Canada misses.

Todd Macallan January 2, 2019 - 7:05 pm

What a play by Bouchard to draw the penalty shot, and Hunter goes with Comtois? He might’ve been my 4th choice

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 7:02 pm

lol

drglen January 2, 2019 - 7:02 pm

Khaira is ‘even’ in plus minus, and Rattie is +1. That’s pretty good.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 6:58 pm

Arizona looks to have a pretty good D core actually.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 6:56 pm
OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 6:54 pm

Wow – Fins tie it up with under a minute to play on a lucky bounce.

fishman January 2, 2019 - 6:53 pm

SHIT!!!!!!!!!!

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 6:52 pm

godot10: Larry Murphy re-incarnated…I’m telling you.

Well I guess he’ll do – hall of famer and all. Bouchard could also perfect the Murphy dump breakout with Connor needed to bobble the puck over the goalies head and in.

Glovjuice January 2, 2019 - 6:50 pm

Now LT’s posts are entertaining a Spooner buyout. Was anyone here contemplating a buyout for our right shot, penalty-killing 3C that was given up for Spooner? That trade is underrated in how bad it is. What pro scouts saw it as a good trade? Any pro scout that figured it was a good idea cannot still be employed. Did they not whatch Spooner this year? This is crazy.

fishman January 2, 2019 - 6:49 pm

Nail biting time!

JimmyV1965 January 2, 2019 - 6:46 pm

Wilde: “Jesse Puljujarvi is an excellent skater.He has the balance and power in his skating stride to fight through checks and take the puck to the net. Puljujarvi also has the speed and acceleration to beat defenders to the outside on the rush, or to get by them when he gets a small opportunity in the cycle game. He has good agility and can weave through traffic to create opportunities.”

– Top Shelf Prospects; Last Word on Sports

“A strong skater who can blast past the opposition in full speed”

– Eliteprospects

“Skates really well with a strong top end speed and excellent quickness.”

– Future Considerations

“Puljujarvi is a strong, powerful forward with an outstanding burst of speed and first step.”

– Steve Kournianous; The Draft Analyst

“extremely mobile for a player his size”

– Hockey’s Future

I’m not an overly-educated skating mechanics expert, but I think the idea that Jesse has slow feet would be a small minority opinion, and on merit when one considers his statistical ability to generate zone entries compared to his teenage peers during his first two NHL seasons. I don’t know if anyone remembers this, but I checked out who had better zonal transition micro-stats that was around Jesse’s age or U20 in general and found that it was basically just McDavid, Barzal and maybe two others.

I’ll reiterate that I have no qualms with reasonably stated criticisms of Jesse’s current ability to finish, and his shooting technique, but in terms of pure shot location, during Jesse’s 2017-18 he had 3.68 HDCF/60 while playing a ton with Milan Lucic.

I’m not going to crap on JP because the team has screwed this up monumentally, but I don’t recall him ever beating anyone wide. He seems to skate well, but I wouldn’t call it great. Sometimes his edge work seems really good. Sometimes he sucks at it. Puzzling.

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 6:39 pm

In regards to Oikers wingers, I am convinced that if they are going to keep Connor – Drai together then they should play Rattie with them. I believe Rattie is a point per game player with them and that would be one winger up and going.

My preference is Nuge – Connor – Rattie

I think Drai can drive more points from the second line centering Khaira and Puji / Chaisson (later)

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 6:38 pm

Wilde:During Jesse’s 2017-18 he had 3.68 HDCF/60 while playing a ton with Milan Lucic.

Is that even possible?

Woodguy v2.0 January 2, 2019 - 6:38 pm

OriginalPouzar,

Because every team needs to be represented and therefore Pavelski and Keller are on the Pacific division all-star team, Drai is not on the team.

There are 3 Sharks on the All Star team, Burns and Karlsson too.

SJS is hosting and the host normally gets 3 picks.

JimmyV1965 January 2, 2019 - 6:38 pm

OriginalPouzar:
Because every team needs to be represented and therefore Pavelski and Keller are on the Pacific division all-star team, Drai is not on the team.

The format is kind of silly given Morgan Riley, Mark Giordano, Braydon Point, Mitch Marner, etc. aren’t named.

So the sixth, seventh and twelfth leading scorers don’t make the team? I’m assuming Reilky and Gio are top five for dmrn too. Real head scratcher.

HT Joe January 2, 2019 - 6:38 pm

Ari: HT Joe,

Nice work on the non-Top 3 scoring .

And yet I was told at a Christmas party that Draisaitl has poor body language when getting back on d.
Oiler fans…

So, I re-ran the numbers (goals for per team, after removing the goals from the top 3 scorers) for the 2016-2017 season, when the Oilers made the playoffs:

(TEAM) (GOALS FOR, MINUS TOP 3 SCORERS)
Minnesota 187
Pittsburgh 182
NY Rangers 178
Washington 176
Columbus 164
**Edmonton** 161
Calgary 159
NY Island 156
Nashville 155
Winnipeg 155
St. Louis 154
Tampa Bay 154
Chicago 153
Montreal 151
Dallas 150
Toronto 150
Detroit 147
Anaheim 145
Arizona 145
Philadelphia 143
Boston 138
Carolina 137
Ottawa 137
Florida 136
San Jose 136
Buffalo 129
Los Angeles 129
Vancouver 125
New Jersey 117
Colorado 110

A few notes:
– Only 2 teams had their top 3 scorers exceed 100 goals: Pittsburgh and Toronto (!)
– Oilers were 6th in the league!!

Of the Oilers…
– McDavid 1st in goals (30 goals)
– Leon 2nd in goals (29 goals)
– Pat Maroon 3rd in goals (27 goals)
– Milan Lucic (*nearly faints from shock) 4th in goals (23 goals)
– Jordan Eberle 5th in goals (20 goals)
– RNH 6th in goals (18 goals)
– Mark Letestu 7th in goals (16 goals)
– Oscar Klefbom 8th in goals (12 goals)

I wanted to compare the “top 3 forwards” vs “2nd line forwards” of goal scorers from 2016-2017 and this year.
– 2016-2017: The top 3 forward goal scorers had 86 goals. The next 3 forward goal scorers with 61 goals (so in theory, a 2nd line with ~ 71% the goals of the first line).
– 2018-2019 so far: The top 3 forward goal scorers have 58 goals. The next 3 forward goal scorers have 20 goals (so in theory, a 2nd line with ~ 34% the goals of the first line).

The absolute loss of a 2nd line capable of scoring goals destroyed this team.

Wilde January 2, 2019 - 6:32 pm

Material Elvis:
In my opinion, he has slow feet (poor first step quickness) and hands (not a great stick handler and slow release on his shot). This prevents him from getting the puck in the HD scoring area. Can either of these facets be improved? I would argue that they can be improved minimally. The hands are a real detriment to his scoring ability

“Jesse Puljujarvi is an excellent skater. He has the balance and power in his skating stride to fight through checks and take the puck to the net. Puljujarvi also has the speed and acceleration to beat defenders to the outside on the rush, or to get by them when he gets a small opportunity in the cycle game. He has good agility and can weave through traffic to create opportunities.”

– Top Shelf Prospects; Last Word on Sports

“A strong skater who can blast past the opposition in full speed”

– Eliteprospects

“Skates really well with a strong top end speed and excellent quickness.”

– Future Considerations

“Puljujarvi is a strong, powerful forward with an outstanding burst of speed and first step.”

– Steve Kournianous; The Draft Analyst

“extremely mobile for a player his size”

– Hockey’s Future

I’m not an overly-educated skating mechanics expert, but I think the idea that Jesse has slow feet would be a small minority opinion, and on merit when one considers his statistical ability to generate zone entries compared to his teenage peers during his first two NHL seasons. I don’t know if anyone remembers this, but I checked out who had better zonal transition micro-stats that was around Jesse’s age or U20 in general and found that it was basically just McDavid, Barzal and maybe two others.

I’ll reiterate that I have no qualms with reasonably stated criticisms of Jesse’s current ability to finish, and his shooting technique, but in terms of pure shot location, during Jesse’s 2017-18 he had 3.68 HDCF/60 while playing a ton with Milan Lucic.

Professor Q January 2, 2019 - 6:30 pm

Well, if anyone wants to help alongside the Oilers woes, there is an Elvis song (possibly…) on the playlist at work but I can only think of the one part in the song and really just the style of it, so I think.

Do you realize how difficult it is to shift through that catalogue with that little detail?!

Anyway. It was more fast-paced and upbeat. And the one part sounded like it was in a subway or tube,

fishman January 2, 2019 - 6:30 pm

Finland looking like the better team through two. Hopefully Canada finds another gear or Di Pietro continues his fine play!

Two cents on Chia. If up to me I would fire him today. His roster is crap. Salary cap management terrible and his contract negotiation skills horrible. Drafting has been better will give you that.

Name K Gretzky interim GM for balance of the season and use the time to find a solution. If possible hire a GM with track record of roster building and good negotiating skills. Can’t find that guy, look for an up and comer. Maybe that’s Keith G????

Lucic is an albatross contract from which there is no likely escape (perhaps a trade???) Play him 5 min a night on the 4 th line or HS him. He has been bad for a calendar year now and his hands ain’t coming back!

Go Canada, Go Oilers

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 6:29 pm

OriginalPouzar: Not much to choose at this point, however, given Nashville is actually allowing the prospect to develop in the minor leagues after a slow start in the NHL and the Oilers are yo-yoing Yamamoto up and down…..

One of these days we’ll get there. Right?

Though Wasn’t Tolvanen tearing up the KHL? Do I have that right?

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 6:27 pm

Encouraging to hear that the Oilers use tracking devices and data to monitor fatigue levels.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 6:20 pm

SwedishPoster: Played terribly. The swiss could have won with bigger digits. One of the worst performances I’ve seen from a swedish NT, just flat out dreadful. This was a weak year for Sweden’s U20 team, made weaker by the usual stupid roster decisions and a coach who is a bit of joke, but they should still beat Switzerland. And if they lose it shouldn’t be like that.

sounds like the stomach flu was going around the team as well.
‘Five players and two coaches missed the last round robin game against Kazakhstan due to stomach flu.’

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 6:18 pm

digger50: I was just pondering on Yamamoto over Tolvanen.

Not much to choose at this point, however, given Nashville is actually allowing the prospect to develop in the minor leagues after a slow start in the NHL and the Oilers are yo-yoing Yamamoto up and down…..

godot10 January 2, 2019 - 6:16 pm

digger50:
This Max Comtois is playing like a Duck already.

I must admit I am worried about Bouchard. His play does seem very marshmallow like most of the time. Is there a stat for that?I do hope he is a player that has another gear ready for the NHL.

Larry Murphy re-incarnated…I’m telling you.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 6:14 pm

drglen: well obviously the contract ‘to play hockey’ would have to end, and a new deal made. He’d have to be willing. Unless he’s Kobe Bryant.

You can’t just get out of a contract – contracts cannot be re-structured or changed. Once they are signed they are there for their term unless the player retires (and if he was 35 when signed the cap hit is still there) or there are extraneous circumstances leading the the team terminating due to breach.

Lucic is not going to retire and given up millions and millions.

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 6:13 pm

–hudson–:
Of Bouchard, Dobson or Wahlstrom did the Oilers make the correct pick so far?

I was just pondering on Yamamoto over Tolvanen.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 6:11 pm

Because every team needs to be represented and therefore Pavelski and Keller are on the Pacific division all-star team, Drai is not on the team.

The format is kind of silly given Morgan Riley, Mark Giordano, Braydon Point, Mitch Marner, etc. aren’t named.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 6:10 pm

Nailer Yakumoto:
Bouchard went to the room, possibly injured.

took him a long time to get there though.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 6:10 pm

–hudson–:
Of Bouchard, Dobson or Wahlstrom did the Oilers make the correct pick so far?

Chiarelli made the pick … it has to be wrong, no?

Seriously though, it would be nice to wait until at least one of them gets out of junior before we have to answer that.

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 6:08 pm

This Max Comtois is playing like a Duck already.

I must admit I am worried about Bouchard. His play does seem very marshmallow like most of the time. Is there a stat for that? I do hope he is a player that has another gear ready for the NHL.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 6:05 pm

Nailer Yakumoto:
Bouchard went to the room, possibly injured.

Well shit. Probably a bruised ego after reading my post. The guy really lacks mental toughness.

Gee … this is actually kinda fun. I’m beginning to see why you guys do it so much.

Sierra January 2, 2019 - 6:03 pm

DiPietro is the 1st, 2nd and 3rd star thus far.

--hudson-- January 2, 2019 - 6:03 pm

Of Bouchard, Dobson or Wahlstrom did the Oilers make the correct pick so far?

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 6:02 pm

Rube Foster:
Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

Not bad:)

Thank you.

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 6:01 pm

HT Joe,

Thanks…..very ugly.

Younger Oil January 2, 2019 - 5:59 pm

Dobson has been awful for Canada.

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 5:54 pm

Bank Shot: When is the last time the Oilers had a ten game winning streak?

I’m legit curious. Pretty sure they won 7 in a row in 05/06.

Well I don’t know, though pretty sure it’s never been done with Kassian at 1RW. But I like bacon too so it’s all good.

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 5:54 pm

Kinger_Oil.redux,

Welcome back

Nailer Yakumoto January 2, 2019 - 5:53 pm

Bouchard went to the room, possibly injured.

HT Joe January 2, 2019 - 5:52 pm

Ari,

Thanks Ari!

Rube Foster January 2, 2019 - 5:48 pm
Material Elvis January 2, 2019 - 5:43 pm

Wilde: then

In my opinion, he has slow feet (poor first step quickness) and hands (not a great stick handler and slow release on his shot). This prevents him from getting the puck in the HD scoring area. Can either of these facets be improved? I would argue that they can be improved minimally. The hands are a real detriment to his scoring ability.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 5:43 pm

Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Low hockey IQ? He never seems to get to the spots on the ice where he should during warmups. Probably a wasted pick. Chiarelli is an idiot. Why the hell did he get rid of Garrison, anyway? And who’s going to tank the +/- with Cags gone to Chicago. Wish we could get a really smart GM like Bowman.

Did I do that correctly? Just trying to “fit in” better with the rest of you guys.

Yep, excellent work. If you EVER see anything close to negative make sure you post about it!!

JimmyV1965 January 2, 2019 - 5:43 pm

McSorley33:
Now that we have seen Dellow’s numbers in graph form….how far off base was the
anonymous NHL player that said – without McDavid- we were the worst team in the NHL?

McDavidonlymissed 1 game so far this year….what if he was hurt for an extended period
of time in November?

Genuinely try to imaginethis vaunted forward group *without* Connor McDavid.

I still disagree with the player that said that -but I think he was way closer to the truth
that even a glass half full guy like me thought…..

That player said we had the worst defence in the NHL, not the worst team.

Bank Shot January 2, 2019 - 5:36 pm

digger50:
Ten game winning streak with a side order of bacon, coming right up.

When is the last time the Oilers had a ten game winning streak?

I’m legit curious. Pretty sure they won 7 in a row in 05/06.

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 5:34 pm

Ten game winning streak with a side order of bacon, coming right up.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 5:34 pm

Bulging Twine:
Bouchard looking slow in the warm up

Low hockey IQ? He never seems to get to the spots on the ice where he should during warmups. Probably a wasted pick. Chiarelli is an idiot. Why the hell did he get rid of Garrison, anyway? And who’s going to tank the +/- with Cags gone to Chicago. Wish we could get a really smart GM like Bowman.

Did I do that correctly? Just trying to “fit in” better with the rest of you guys.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 5:12 pm

OriginalPouzar:
With us always going away over the holidays, I always miss the preliminary games which is too bad as watching the QF game makes me remember how much I love this tournament and how great the pace always is.

Entertaining 1st period.

Great tournament. One of the reason’s we like it so much is our team always has a chance to win.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 5:09 pm

Bulging Twine: Full of chocolate!

Their coach is still that funny guy.He could be a comedian, he just has that look where you see him and you want to laugh.(not in a mean way)

from last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjxZpEotk5w

He makes some good points here in this one from this year. Astute, well informed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvqXsTwSFZU

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 5:09 pm

With us always going away over the holidays, I always miss the preliminary games which is too bad as watching the QF game makes me remember how much I love this tournament and how great the pace always is.

Entertaining 1st period.

geowal January 2, 2019 - 5:00 pm

I’d say the Oil have until the end of the Canada game to convince me (via only the scoreboard) I should tune in after.

OilPack January 2, 2019 - 4:50 pm

PinkSocks: It makes Pete an idiot when he traded assets for one of the worst defenseman in the league rather than get Davidson for free.

I am beyond trying to comprehend Chia’s decision making anymore. It’s like the Edmonton Oilers are a real life version of The Office.

It’s gotten to the point where if someone told me that Chia phoned up the league and asked them how to go about opening up a line of credit for the salary cap, I wouldn’t hesitate to believe them.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 4:47 pm

Gerta Rauss: He took forever to get off the bus

Took like 10 minutes to put the cream in his coffee at Starbucks

Ari January 2, 2019 - 4:46 pm

HT Joe,

Nice work on the non-Top 3 scoring .

And yet I was told at a Christmas party that Draisaitl has poor body language when getting back on d.
Oiler fans…

Rube Foster January 2, 2019 - 4:45 pm

Woogie63,

Thank you for making my point. I agree with you that the Oilers have not been accomplished on developing offensive talent in their farm system prior to the Woodcroft era. I am hopeful that they have now changed this approach.

My larger point was that we were apparently “smart enough” to acquire a young prospect that scored 33 goals in 63 games on someone else’s AHL team just last year. The bad news, we were subsequently foolish enough to give that prospect the “Yak treatment” and then send that prospect away for nothing, just days before shipping out The Drake and creating an opportunity for someone just like… Zykov.

The move was essentially Zykov out, Drake out and Yamamoto in. Yamamoto has yet to demonstrate that he can generate the same type of offence that Zykov has proven he can deliver as a pro.

The Zykov dump was either short-sighted or just plain negligent. It did not need to happen and either way is another blunder in a growing trend of poor asset management.

You don’t need to be a pro scout to recognize that this year Yamamoto is not going to score in the AHL at the established level that Zykov accomplished just a season ago. Why then would you believe that Yamamoto could out-perform Zykov in the NHL given the same minutes and opportunity with skilled players?

Don’t get me wrong I like Yamamoto plenty and am cheering like hell for him, but his recent NHL production and subsequent injury just goes to demonstrate that a young, small, skilled forward like Yamamoto is better served to learn the pro game in the AHL.

The net result of all of this is Kassian and Lucic in our top six… is there another organization in the NHL that would run these two players in their top six? Mystifying.

I’ll answer my own question from my previous comment – I believe that Hitch is actually trolling Chiarelli.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 4:43 pm

OriginalPouzar: He’s going to retire and then sign as an assistant coach for the money that he would have made if he finished his contract?

1) I don’t think he’d be willing to do that to start with

2) The league would 100% investigate and deny this scenario

well obviously the contract ‘to play hockey’ would have to end, and a new deal made. He’d have to be willing. Unless he’s Kobe Bryant.

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 4:41 pm

Bulging Twine:
Bouchard looking slow in the warm up

He took forever to get off the bus

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 4:39 pm

Bouchard looking slow in the warm up

SwedishPoster January 2, 2019 - 4:33 pm

Bulging Twine:
Sweden losing to Suiss

Played terribly. The swiss could have won with bigger digits. One of the worst performances I’ve seen from a swedish NT, just flat out dreadful. This was a weak year for Sweden’s U20 team, made weaker by the usual stupid roster decisions and a coach who is a bit of joke, but they should still beat Switzerland. And if they lose it shouldn’t be like that.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 4:33 pm

Pescador: Captain of team Suiss:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5QQKNFqL5s

Full of chocolate!

Their coach is still that funny guy. He could be a comedian, he just has that look where you see him and you want to laugh. (not in a mean way)

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 4:31 pm

32 minutes of sleep last night – damn 12.5 hour time change – but a fantastic 5am workout.

Didn’t head to the office today and had a nice 2 hr mid-day nap.

Considering 38 hrs of travel (and a 12.5 hr time change) got me home at midnight last night , two straight hockey games is going to be challenging but I’m in.

Go Canada.

Go Oilers.

dessert1111 January 2, 2019 - 4:29 pm

I wonder how much more Chia likes Manning than Davidson.

I also wonder if Chia would claim Davidson if the optics weren’t so terrible.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 4:27 pm

stevezie:
OriginalPouzar,

We have known Sekera would be diminished for some time, gone most of the year since the summer. I’ll cut them slack for Klef and KR, but Sekera being gone was part of the plan

Sekera being out of the lineup long-term was not known until mid to late August.

While the player is not available, his cap hit still counts. There is a limited ability, once the season starts, to go over the cap while he’s on LTIR but that ability ceases when the player is activated – something the team is clearly planning on.

There was essentially zero ability to fill that hole for this season with a player with material cap.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 4:25 pm

Canada (Bouchard) vs Fin starting in 5.

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 4:24 pm

Pescador: Huzzah!

Captain of team Suiss:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5QQKNFqL5s

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 4:23 pm

Rube Foster:
Seeing as we’re so thin on scoring wingers, would anyone here object to seeing what an offensive prospect like Valentin Zykov might look like on our roster playing with McDavid and Leon?

… What?

… We gave him the Yak treatment, you say?We played him in limited minutes with slugs and then gave up on him when he didn’t produce. Added bonus, we got rid of him for nothing??

… Well then, let’s give Kassian a shot, you know, he’s scored 9 goals in the last year and a half, which is just about on pace with our second line Left winger who has scored 11 goals in the last year and a half.

Kassian and Lucic in our top six… Serious question, is Hitch trolling Chiarelli?

I still have no idea why Zykov got essentially no opportunituvin Edmonton. Did he even get a shift in the top 6?

Hitch sung the player’s praises upon the claim and how his skill set was perfect for the team and then didn’t play him.

So weird.

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 4:22 pm

Bulging Twine:
Sweden lost to Suiss

Huzzah!

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 4:21 pm

ArmchairGM: Pretty sure unconditional waivers means they can cancel Garrison’s contract with zero cap hit.

If we buyout Manning this summer, it will carry a $916,667 cap hit next year and a $666,667 for 2020-21.

The only reason they are able to terminate his contract is because he’s breached the contract by not reporting to the AHL.

Wilde January 2, 2019 - 4:17 pm

leadfarmer: JP seems even more lost than ever.

Ben: Of the grand buffet of disappointments proffered by this season, my top item is JP.
Yeah, he’s still young and I suppose there’s still a chance, but the thing he most lacks–awareness–is the thing I have the greatest doubt that a player his age will develop.

Apologies in advance for the following wonkery.

Can either of you expand on which situations you recall Puljujarvi being out of place, besides the 2nd and 3rd most recent games?

I remain confused by criticisms of JP that don’t start and end with his production levels. I want to take them out of the realm of generalities – which I don’t fault anyone for using, your intuition is your intuition and it’s valuable and it’s much easier than going technical – and into the realm of X’s and O’s.

Is it (with the puck) –

i) Distribution decision making / / who to get the puck to, and when – contributing to neutral zone transitions through passer

ii) Route decision making / / how to open up passing and shooting lanes, using skating to improve the danger level of the position of the puck, contributing to neutral zone transitions through skating

Is it (without the puck) –

i) Knowing and acting on who your check is – in the OZ, DZ, NZ and with friendly or opposition possession; switching within the system properly

ii) Executing on your check by preventing continued possession, open shots, and clean transitions

iii) Unchecking yourself; opening up a passing target in all three zones

iv) Winger specific: Making stops around the opposition blueline

v) Mostly winger specific: Contributing to recoveries on shoot-ins

No one has to answer, but I feel as though the idea of Jesse gravely lacking hockey IQ or awareness or whatever is a relatively cheap (sorry) take on its own. It has the commonness, prevalence and endurance of the theory of gravity without any the rigour or the work in any of the places I’ve read it.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 4:16 pm

PinkSocks: If Davidson had the choice of playing in Rockford of the AHL or Edmonton of the NHL, he’d gladly accept the paycheck to be back in Edmonton.

Davidson’s paycheque would be the same whether he is playing in Rockford or Edmonton – one-way contract.

tileguy January 2, 2019 - 4:12 pm

leadfarmer:
Has Hitch fixed anything yet?
I was told of all the Hitch miracles to come but I must have missed them cause the kitchen sink is still leaking
His bit of narcissism of hey all these guys think JP needs to be in the AHL but I know better cause I’ve been with the team for like three days and I will single handedly fix him seems to have backfired as JP seems even more lost than ever.
All the things that TMac got hung for here are getting a pass.Starts are awful.The mcblender has found a stronger cycle.Goalies are getting pulled even later.Struggling players even more ice time.Breakouts were good for first 5 games but now are d-d passes, up the boards and out and look worse than ever.
Not saying dusty Old Relic is a bad coach.It’s just no amount of coaching was going to fix this
But the verbal is better so that’s good at least
At least this should show what the real problem with the team is.Roster construction

Done more harm than good in my eyes. Kassian playing better, but that is the only improvement I notice. Pulling JP and Yamamoto out of the minors bad, very bad. So true about the mcblender, not sure what he is trying to achieve. Whipping your horses til they falter, not a good idea, and letting some players leave practice early, bad bad team unity. Great post game interviews do not make the team any better. Oh and sitting Rattie out game after game because there was an ancient history, me no likey.

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 4:10 pm

Sweden losing to Suiss

Woogie63 January 2, 2019 - 4:07 pm

Lowetide: Well they began HSing him two weeks after the season began, and gave him a two-year deal in the offseason iirc.

Manning’s games split by coaches
(I didn’t count December 29)

Coach Q 13/15 (dnp October 20/21)
Coach C 14/26

Bulging Twine January 2, 2019 - 3:58 pm

Canucks could probably get a 1st for Edler. I hope they stay close in the playoff race so they don’t get one. (I mean so they don’t trade him and don’t obtain another 1st)
1st round picks are increasingly more important in my opinion as players are getting better younger. Also as expansion makes it harder to acquire and retain top end talent (more competition and cap room for top players to get paid).

I think tonight is actually quite an important game. A loss tonight would be a big deal.

Wilde January 2, 2019 - 3:51 pm

This is one of my favourite posts, bless you Allan.

HT Joe January 2, 2019 - 3:44 pm

McSorley33: Now that we have seen Dellow’s numbers in graph form….how far off base was the
anonymous NHL player that said – without McDavid- we were the worst team in the NHL?

How about this… I took the GoalsFor of each team, removed the total number of POINTS from their top scorer (to account for both goal scoring and playmaking abilities of the top scorer), and sorted them. I would have preferred to include only primary assists and goals of the top player, but I’m crunched for time right now.

Oilers are still dead last. I would share the numbers but I didn’t want to introduce yet another wall of text into today’s discussion.

stevezie January 2, 2019 - 3:42 pm

OriginalPouzar,

We have known Sekera would be diminished for some time, gone most of the year since the summer. I’ll cut them slack for Klef and KR, but Sekera being gone was part of the plan

Woogie63 January 2, 2019 - 3:40 pm

Rube Foster:
Seeing as we’re so thin on scoring wingers, would anyone here object to seeing what an offensive prospect like Valentin Zykov might look like on our roster playing with McDavid and Leon?

… What?

… We gave him the Yak treatment, you say?We played him in limited minutes with slugs and then gave up on him when he didn’t produce. Added bonus, we got rid of him for nothing??

… Well then, let’s give Kassian a shot, you know, he’s scored 9 goals in the last year and a half, which is just about on pace with our second line Left winger who has scored 11 goals in the last year and a half.

Kassian and Lucic in our top six… Serious question, is Hitch trolling Chiarelli?

We are getting no sustainable run support from our farm system.

Has our farm system every delivered back to back to back +15 goal scorer?

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 3:38 pm

knighttown:

We’ve lost our #1 Dman, Oscar Klefbom for a dozen games and our #4 DMan, Kris Russell for about the same.And Toby Rieder missed a month but who cares.Our only 3 forwards that matter, our two goalies and Nurse and Larsson have been healthy.

Just check out the lists below I’ve parsed to include starting goalies, top 6 forwards-ish and top 4 defensemen.This is players placed on actual IR…so now day-to- “day stuff.Just look at the shit the teams in our own division have gone through and tell me the Oilers are unlucky.Many/most teams have lost Olympic level players for good chunks of time.

1) You can’t just go and “replace” a player like Sekera that is going to be out for half the year – Firstly, his cap hit doesn’t just go away and it needs to be accounted for on the first day of the season prior to putting the player on LTIR and, secondly, once the player is activated, and the team had knowledge that the player is coming back, the LTIR relief goes away. If they had somehow added a $4M player to “replace” Sekera, there would be massive cap implications

2) Both Sekera and Rieder would be locks to represent their countries at the Olympics.

Lowetide January 2, 2019 - 3:38 pm

Woogie63: Do you have a source that says Chicago thought they made a mistake the”moment” they signed Manning?

Or

That Bowman was looking for a “sucker”

Those sound like a narrative vs. anything we should take seriously.

Well they began HSing him two weeks after the season began, and gave him a two-year deal in the offseason iirc.

Lowetide January 2, 2019 - 3:37 pm

Kinger_Oil.redux: – Super Dave is no doubt being strapped into genuine Saskatchewan seal skin bindings before Fuji lowers his casket to his final resting place.Brought a smile to my face thinking about his antics. Thumbs Up

Man I hope so. Going to miss that guy.

Woogie63 January 2, 2019 - 3:35 pm

PinkSocks: The Manning contract was a mistake the moment it was signed, Bowman recognized it and found a sucker to help him.It isn’t about who Chicago thinks is a better player.They were both healthy scratched for big portions of the season.The point is that PC could have had Davidson for free, but instead traded away assets.

If PC assigns Garrison to Bakersfield he retires the same way as he has done with Chicago.Problem solved.Caggiula could have been used as a trade piece for something of value.Not Brandon Manning.

Do you have a source that says Chicago thought they made a mistake the”moment” they signed Manning?

Or

That Bowman was looking for a “sucker”

Those sound like a narrative vs. anything we should take seriously.

OriginalPouzar January 2, 2019 - 3:31 pm

drglen: YES!! I’ve been saying this all along.. Saves face.. removes him from the lineup.

He’s going to retire and then sign as an assistant coach for the money that he would have made if he finished his contract?

1) I don’t think he’d be willing to do that to start with

2) The league would 100% investigate and deny this scenario

dustrock January 2, 2019 - 3:28 pm

McSorley33:
dustrock,

Not me…this season is done.

Varlamov is a UFA for next year though…we can talk to him in the summer.

Just figured if they were going to try to make a run, Colorado would likely run with Grubauer and Talbot and their rookie.

He has definitely been injured and hasn’t been nearly as strong as last season (guess who has him in his pool!) but he’s a veteran, proven starter and I just wonder if the team has lost confidence in Talbot.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 3:28 pm

Lowetide: No. You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

Exactly.

Rube Foster January 2, 2019 - 3:25 pm

Seeing as we’re so thin on scoring wingers, would anyone here object to seeing what an offensive prospect like Valentin Zykov might look like on our roster playing with McDavid and Leon?

… What?

… We gave him the Yak treatment, you say? We played him in limited minutes with slugs and then gave up on him when he didn’t produce. Added bonus, we got rid of him for nothing??

… Well then, let’s give Kassian a shot, you know, he’s scored 9 goals in the last year and a half, which is just about on pace with our second line Left winger who has scored 11 goals in the last year and a half.

Kassian and Lucic in our top six… Serious question, is Hitch trolling Chiarelli?

HT Joe January 2, 2019 - 3:09 pm

Woodguy v2.0: Tyler with a graph showing goal scoring by every team when you remove their top 4 goal scorers:

https://twitter.com/dellowhockey/status/1080487405155700736?s=19

Spoiler: EDM is DFL

Good job Pete

The link appears to take into account only the scoring forwards. Also, it seemed a little arbitrary that they removed the top 4 scorers (knowing that after McDavid, Drai, Chiasson, and RNH, the Oilers really have no goal scoring). I re-ran the numbers simply taking out the top 3 goal scorers, but including both forwards and defence. The Oilers are STILL last place.

Team Goals For, Minus Top 3
Tampa Bay 104
Las Vegas 88
Nashville 88
Washington 86
Toronto 85
Montreal 85
San Jose 84
Pittsburgh 82
Calgary 81
Ottawa 78
NY Islanders 76
Columbus 75
Detroit 75
Vancouver 74
Florida 74
Winnipeg 73
Philadelphia 73
Arizona 73
New Jersey 72
NY Rangers 70
Anaheim 70
Colorado 69
Minnesota 68
Dallas 68
Chicago 65
Buffalo 65
Boston 64
St. Louis 63
Los Angeles 63
Carolina 57
Edmonton 53

Keep in mind that Tampa Bay has 104 goals after removing their top 3 goal scorers… the Oilers WITH their top 3 goal scorers have 111 total. Lordy!

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 3:06 pm

dustrock,

Not me…this season is done.

Varlamov is a UFA for next year though…we can talk to him in the summer.

leadfarmer January 2, 2019 - 3:04 pm

hunter1909,

A whole 30 days when the team sucks. You’re not getting out of this
Your punishment is you must stay
I vote no

Kinger_Oil.redux January 2, 2019 - 3:03 pm

Gerta Rauss:
RIP Super Dave Osborne

– Super Dave is no doubt being strapped into genuine Saskatchewan seal skin bindings before Fuji lowers his casket to his final resting place. Brought a smile to my face thinking about his antics. Thumbs Up

leadfarmer January 2, 2019 - 3:02 pm

dustrock:
If you could make the money work ($5.9m vs. $4.1m) would you flip Talbot for Varlamov?

You used to be able to get the entire injury list on fox sports on a player.
The Varlamov injury list was ridiculous
That is not a reliable goalie.
He’s pulled more groins than Ron Jeremy
So it would be a UFA deal for UFA deal, I guess I would rather get a pick cause I wouldn’t sign either

Lowetide January 2, 2019 - 3:00 pm

hunter1909:
EMERGENCY ANNOUNCEMENT!

Last few hours to vote on whether or not hunter1909 gets a 30 day time out from Lowetide.

Simply vote “yes” if you think he needs to gtfo

Or vote “No” if you think he doesn’t deserve the break and instead can continue(following the Oilers)

Contest ends at puck drop today vs the Yotes.

ps: all non yes/no answers will be added to the total and count for 1 yes or 1 no vote. According to the judges discretion.

No. You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

ArmchairGM January 2, 2019 - 3:00 pm

godot10: Chicago was only interested in the deal from a cap perspective.They get a much cheaper buyout and much lower future cap hit with buyouts of Caggiula and Garrison. It is much less costly to settle with Garrison and do a buyout of Caggiula (he is 24 and hence a 1/3rd buyout) than to buyout Manning (who is 28 and it would be a 2/3rds buyout).

Pretty sure unconditional waivers means they can cancel Garrison’s contract with zero cap hit.

If we buyout Manning this summer, it will carry a $916,667 cap hit next year and a $666,667 for 2020-21.

Don’t mind me January 2, 2019 - 2:52 pm

hunter1909,

No. You’re not getting out that easily! ?

leadfarmer January 2, 2019 - 2:52 pm

Has Hitch fixed anything yet?
I was told of all the Hitch miracles to come but I must have missed them cause the kitchen sink is still leaking
His bit of narcissism of hey all these guys think JP needs to be in the AHL but I know better cause I’ve been with the team for like three days and I will single handedly fix him seems to have backfired as JP seems even more lost than ever.
All the things that TMac got hung for here are getting a pass. Starts are awful. The mcblender has found a stronger cycle. Goalies are getting pulled even later. Struggling players even more ice time. Breakouts were good for first 5 games but now are d-d passes, up the boards and out and look worse than ever.
Not saying dusty Old Relic is a bad coach. It’s just no amount of coaching was going to fix this
But the verbal is better so that’s good at least
At least this should show what the real problem with the team is. Roster construction

dustrock January 2, 2019 - 2:51 pm

If you could make the money work ($5.9m vs. $4.1m) would you flip Talbot for Varlamov?

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 2:51 pm

Woogie63: Stan Bowman is a very good GM.

He gave one player a $650,000 x 1 contract and another a $2,500,000 x 2.You tell me who the Chicago Blackhawk thinks is a better player.

The Manning contract was a mistake the moment it was signed, Bowman recognized it and found a sucker to help him. It isn’t about who Chicago thinks is a better player. They were both healthy scratched for big portions of the season. The point is that PC could have had Davidson for free, but instead traded away assets.

If PC assigns Garrison to Bakersfield he retires the same way as he has done with Chicago. Problem solved. Caggiula could have been used as a trade piece for something of value. Not Brandon Manning.

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 2:46 pm

dustrock,

Good ones…maybe LA?

knighttown January 2, 2019 - 2:45 pm

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
knighttown,

Won’t go unchallenged eh?I don’t actually think you challenge my post that much, in fact I think you quite nicely bolstered my case but lets run through a couple things.

1) Sekera was not injured early in the summer he was injured in mid-August while Nurse was still unsigned. Add into that the extensive work that OP has done on the danger of spending big when a player is on LTIR and has an NMC and I’m not sure what your point is.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sekera-injury-cripples-oilers-leaves-defencemans-future-doubt/

2) Love your list its good stuff but take a look at those teams, take a look at their records and start crossing off the ones who have a similar record to the Oilers and/or are on skids equal to the Oilers after those injuries have taken place + got crap goaltending in the process (which is what I outlined).

Over half you list has teams that are either a) lower than the Oilers or b) damn near equal to the Oilers in points so I’m not sure how you’re challenging me aside from confirm exactly what I said with a larger sample size.

Teams with lesser records – St Louis, LA, Detroit, Ottawa, Carolina, New Jersey, Chicago, Minny

Teams with similar but not equal records – Dallas, Rangers, Florida, Vancouver

Teams I should have added to my 25-32 bracket that can withstand injuries list – Boston, Winnipeg

In the post I specifically mentioned that teams like Tampa/Nashville/Washington/Pittsburgh can in fact weather that sort of storm because of the age/experience of their core.

As for the teams that didn’t fit the exact mould (Calgary, Toronto and Buffalo) there is a reason I said “remove player X and X and see what happens.” I deliberately chose defensemen because that’s who is injured on the Oilers and because its a fact that defensemen play more minutes in more situations than any forward not named Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl.

Looking specifically at Toronto –
Nylander has been a non-factor since he returned. Matthews is a great talent, love the player. But you know who is even more important? Morgan Reilly and Ron Hainsey because those guys paper over the unbelievably crappy team defense that the Leafs forwards play on a consistent basis.

For folks that were aghast at TMac for running Talbot hard look at how many games and how much rubber Frederick Andersen has seen since becoming the Leafs starter. Its almost a guarantee that Babcock will run him just as hard this year and he’ll burn out in the playoffs. His December SV% was .903 a giant drop after November (.942). Since getting injured his fill in Sparks is rocking a .885there are problems with the Leafs and they will get a whole lot worse if Mitch Marner leads the team in scoring again this season…

A similar calculus applies to Calgary, Buffalo and Colorado (who are in the midst of their own 5 game slump because they are a one line team) so that is exactly why I put them on that list.

Losing Klefbom and Russell in the same game means you now need to find adequate replacements to fill 40+ minutes of defense on two separate pairings and both special teams. This isn’t to say either are Norris trophy candidates, they aren’t, but its beyond ridiculous to say that they are not a GIANT part of the Oilers back-end, especially Klef who was 3rd in the league in ice time behind Suter and Doughty until he got injured.

That is a hard damn thing to do in mid-season, where the standings are incredibly tight and nobody is moving serviceable top 4 dmen for the hell of it.

Here is LTs Post from the morning after the Klef/Russell injuries against Colorado

https://lowetide.ca/2018/12/12/rocky-mountain-high/

Prior to the loss of those two dmen the Oilers were within spitting distance of the Pacific lead and 1 point back of Anaheim/San Jose with a game in hand.

With those two in the lineup + Hitch the Oilers were better than or equal to 3/4 of the list you dropped so thanks for proving my point

Part of what I like to do is set goal posts and try not to move them.

Kris Russell was a PTO two years ago and if polled, most here would have him targeted as a buyout candidate. To take away bias, if you use Woodguy, he’s consistently said he’s a solid 4/5. Split the difference…call it a 4.5…and times 31 teams…you’ve got a defenseman valued about 150th in the NHL. Since there are twice as many forwards as defensemen (12/6) you could say by losing Russell we lost the 450th best player in the NHL.

Klefbom is a little tougher. His value to this team is monstrous as we’re clearly seeing but taking into account injury and scoring most experts would have him around 50th in the NHL. Sportsnet did do an article and had him ranked 34th among defense so that’s fair. That puts him right around 100th for all skaters.

From my list above there are tons of guys ranked ahead of Klefbom; Matthews, Hall, Klingberg, Byugflien, Subban, McAvoy, Pietrangelo, Chabot, Weber, Schmidt plus the hugely important goalies like Vasi, Bishop and Price.

I get your current point; the teams that were bad couldn’t survive losing their best players; but I think your original comment was closer to “no one (or almost no one) could survive losing Klefbom and Russell.”

My counter is that many teams HAVE survived losing players of Klefbom/Russell’s ilk and plenty have survived losing guys a whole heck of a lot better. And we haven’t just “not survived” we literally haven’t won a game.

A seven game losing streak due to the loss of one player can only be justified; maybe, if that player is Connor McDavid.

dustrock January 2, 2019 - 2:44 pm

McSorley33:
Now that we have seen Dellow’s numbers in graph form….how far off base was the
anonymous NHL player that said – without McDavid- we were the worst team in the NHL?

McDavidonlymissed 1 game so far this year….what if he was hurt for an extended period
of time in November?

Genuinely try to imaginethis vaunted forward group *without* Connor McDavid.

I still disagree with the player that said that -but I think he was way closer to the truth
that even a glass half full guy like me thought…..

Can you find a forward corps worse than the Oilers are without McDavid?

Trying to think . Maybe Detroit? Arizona?

godot10 January 2, 2019 - 2:43 pm

Leroy Draisdale:
Lol!

“The Chicago Blackhawks have placed Jason Garrison on unconditional waivers after the defenceman failed to report to the AHL.”

Chicago was only interested in the deal from a cap perspective. They get a much cheaper buyout and much lower future cap hit with buyouts of Caggiula and Garrison. It is much less costly to settle with Garrison and do a buyout of Caggiula (he is 24 and hence a 1/3rd buyout) than to buyout Manning (who is 28 and it would be a 2/3rds buyout).

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 2:42 pm

Now that we have seen Dellow’s numbers in graph form….how far off base was the
anonymous NHL player that said – without McDavid- we were the worst team in the NHL?

McDavid only missed 1 game so far this year….what if he was hurt for an extended period
of time in November?

Genuinely try to imagine this vaunted forward group *without* Connor McDavid.

I still disagree with the player that said that -but I think he was way closer to the truth
that even a glass half full guy like me thought…..

digger50 January 2, 2019 - 2:39 pm
godot10 January 2, 2019 - 2:39 pm

Pescador: I received a post card recently from Drigung, Tibet
Kinger is currently seeking enlightenment about the difference between a right & a privilege.
That and hopefully how to offer the same level of respect that you are given.

He could learn how to spoof his IP address! -).

Woogie63 January 2, 2019 - 2:37 pm

PinkSocks: It makes Pete an idiot when he traded assets for one of the worst defenseman in the league rather than get Davidson for free.

Stan Bowman is a very good GM.

He gave one player a $650,000 x 1 contract and another a $2,500,000 x 2. You tell me who the Chicago Blackhawk thinks is a better player.

godot10 January 2, 2019 - 2:37 pm

GordieHoweHatTrick: Agreed. Arguably oil down 3 of top 5 d. No team survives that well.
An interesting comparison is Golden Knights first 20 without Schmidt compared to last 20 with him. Total shift.
Not admonishing lack of preparedness and other shitty trades (Strome etc) but sometimes bad luck happens.

I think with a few more healthy defensen back Hitch can get this team
Playing close to the way it was for his first 10-12 games.

The reality is this team is STILL a year or two away from being able to weather shitty luck a little better.
Keep the investments in the future. Powder dry.
Chia still has to go tho…

Dallas survived losing four of their top 6 including Klingberg…which is quite an achievement, something their bonehead CEO and owner don’t seem to understand. Benn and Seguin play within the structure and get vilified, with mostly an AHL defense behind them, and get vilified.

Scungilli Slushy January 2, 2019 - 2:33 pm

PinkSocks:
PinkSocks,

Just for fun I looked at the Lightning and their trades in the same time period.Not a single bad trade.

Highlights:

+McDonagh AND Miller for Howden, picks and spare parts
+Sergachev AND a 2nd for Drouin
+ dumping Filpulla’s terrible contract on the Flyers for literally free

The way out for the Oilers is a GM like that who could win some deals and recognize who the good players are.

Too bad Stevie probably wants Detroit. His chances for a Cup are far higher with McDavid than the Wings roster. Really it’s the easy parts the oilers lack (easy for some).

ArmchairGM January 2, 2019 - 2:31 pm

Leroy Draisdale:
Lol!

“The Chicago Blackhawks have placed Jason Garrison on unconditional waivers after the defenceman failed to report to the AHL.”

Wow, they traded Mannings contract for Garrison’s, got Caggiula as a kicker AND NOW THEY’LL JUST TERMINATE GARRISON’S CONTRACT! THIS IS HOW AN EFFECTIVE FRONT OFFICE WORKS, KATZ!

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

stevezie January 2, 2019 - 2:27 pm

drglen,

Indeed. Even as a teen health was always a consideration.

If he had a huge contract I’d worry more, but on that bargain deal (Chia’s greatest hit?) there is plenty of room to add another top D should the opportunity arise.

Unlike some oft-injured stars, he’s not standing in the way of depth.

Also it’s not like he has a bad knee or something. Pretty good chance his luck does actually improve.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 2:26 pm

JimmyV1965: I don’t think this is a factor at all. We should never ever sign high-priced UFAs. Never ever. The only UFAs who end up being a bargain are the guys signed after day four of free agency. The Sharks traded a lot of assets to get a player who will cost them $11 mill next year. And we should never trade for guys like Stone, who will be a UFA next year and likely cost $9 mill.

Very good points all.

One thing… perhaps going forward our plan B ( plan A being draft and develop) is to get our support plug and play players via PTO. Make the team on merit, relatively easy to unload. They will tend to over perform rather than underperform.

I could see this as being a new model for quite a few teams. These aging free agents, know it’s their last kick, and have these agents that are going to squeeze term out of the teams. (Koskinen has been a win though. so far)

HugThePost January 2, 2019 - 2:25 pm

ArmchairGM: Chicago waived Garrison and now Davidson, which tells me that they were on the verge of waiving Manning too. Chicago people were convinced they’d have to give up an asset to get rid of Manning they were prepared to waive him and hope to lose him for nothing, but along came Chiarelli and PAID for him.

Smh.

They are still doing things that make the whole org just look second rate and run by amateurs. Still….after all of these years

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 2:24 pm

jtblack:
I know how a lot of our 2015 Draft Picks dissappeared. (Talbot, Reinhart)

Can someone tell me how all the 2014 picks dissappeared?

2014 2nd rounder (Ivan Barbashev) + MPS for Perron
2014 3rd rounder (Dominic Turgeon) for Ben Scrivens
2014 4th rounder (Nick Magyar) for Mike Brown

drglen January 2, 2019 - 2:22 pm

stevezie:
knighttown,

Excellent.

In addition to helping us appreciate the man himself, I think Klefbom’s injury is showing that Larsson and Nurse are a little more limited than sometimes advertised.

No shame in that.

Yes, it has clarified things considerably.. all in all a useful thing to know about the players.

Klefbom does seem to get injured though.. I hope his luck changes soon.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 2:20 pm

PinkSocks: If Davidson had the choice of playing in Rockford of the AHL or Edmonton of the NHL, he’d gladly accept the paycheck to be back in Edmonton.

Luc Robataille, Rob Brown”. there are no bad days in the NHL”. ….. I also think he’d gladly shake hands and climb aboard.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 2:19 pm

Leroy Draisdale:
Lol!

“The Chicago Blackhawks have placed Jason Garrison on unconditional waivers after the defenceman failed to report to the AHL.”

ok that’s interesting. Rides over.. God Speed Garrison you did good work. Good career no shame brother. Enjoy the second half.

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 2:18 pm

Woogie63:
Brandon Davidson has been cut three times now.

I don’t think that makes Pete and idiot.

It makes Pete an idiot when he traded assets for one of the worst defenseman in the league rather than get Davidson for free.

hunter1909 January 2, 2019 - 2:17 pm

OmJo: Do we really need the playoffs?

…given the shenanigans of the past decade+ I’d say no.

Regular, normal NHL Oiler fans are slowly being weeded out, leaving only those left who are above happiness/bitch slapped into aquiescance.

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 2:16 pm

russ99:
PinkSocks,

Davidson doesn’t want to play here again or he would have signed here.

That ship has sailed.

The mistake was to overpay Caggiula this summer rather than move him at the deadline or draft – not to dump him for a defenseman we need, since we only had 4.5 healthy NHL defensemen.

Hunter: hope you stay, unless you need that break.

If Davidson had the choice of playing in Rockford of the AHL or Edmonton of the NHL, he’d gladly accept the paycheck to be back in Edmonton.

ArmchairGM January 2, 2019 - 2:14 pm

Woogie63:
Brandon Davidson has been cut three times now.

I don’t think that makes Pete and idiot.

Chicago waived Garrison and now Davidson, which tells me that they were on the verge of waiving Manning too. Chicago people were convinced they’d have to give up an asset to get rid of Manning they were prepared to waive him and hope to lose him for nothing, but along came Chiarelli and PAID for him.

Smh.

snfu January 2, 2019 - 1:51 pm

To add to the hilarity of the trade that brought us Manning… Jason Garrison did not report to his AHL squad after being put on waivers. Chicago just got better and got cap savings. Chia should be the first gm every team calls before making a trade.

Leroy Draisdale January 2, 2019 - 1:49 pm

Lol!

“The Chicago Blackhawks have placed Jason Garrison on unconditional waivers after the defenceman failed to report to the AHL.”

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 1:43 pm

hunter1909,

No

Your comedic stylings bring value to this blog

Any update on the DeathMarch website..?…it looks like the infrastructure is in place, just need the entries to be uploaded to the web page

Primetime January 2, 2019 - 1:39 pm

Woogie63:
Brandon Davidson has been cut three times now.

I don’t think that makes Pete and idiot.

Nope, you’re right.

However, trading an asset for a Dman that is LOWER than him on the depth chart with a huge cap hit (for what he brings), and an extra year on the books? I’ll let you decide….

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 1:36 pm

hunter1909,

No.

You have to stick it out with the rest of us…..

stevezie January 2, 2019 - 1:36 pm

I wrote my first blog post

https://thesportsdaily.com/2019/01/01/guest-post-heartbreak/

While still a reader, I don’t comment on here so often anymore, but I still had to share it because I was so blatantly trying to channel Lowetide (only for the good parts)

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 1:35 pm

Gerta Rauss,

First Mean Gene ….now this

RIP my childhood

Gerta Rauss January 2, 2019 - 1:33 pm

RIP Super Dave Osborne

stevezie January 2, 2019 - 1:31 pm

knighttown,

Excellent.

In addition to helping us appreciate the man himself, I think Klefbom’s injury is showing that Larsson and Nurse are a little more limited than sometimes advertised.

No shame in that.

Genjutsu January 2, 2019 - 1:26 pm

hunter1909,

No

I’m not sure why this happening but I enjoy reading your comments.

Yeti January 2, 2019 - 1:24 pm

Pescador: I received a post card recently from Drigung, Tibet
Kinger is currently seeking enlightenment about the difference between a right & a privilege.
That and hopefully how to offer the same level of respect that you are given.

Yeah, he’s crashing at my place.

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 1:24 pm

Pescador,

I received a post card recently from Drigung, Tibet
Kinger is currently seeking enlightenment about the difference between a right & a privilege.
That and hopefully how to offer the same level of respect that you are given.
************************************************************************************************
I knew he was in Florida just around Christmas……

Hoping to see Pouzar and NYC Oil in here as well….after the new GM is hired maybe?

Pescador January 2, 2019 - 1:15 pm

McSorley33:
Has anyone heard from Kinger?

I received a post card recently from Drigung, Tibet
Kinger is currently seeking enlightenment about the difference between a right & a privilege.
That and hopefully how to offer the same level of respect that you are given.

OmJo January 2, 2019 - 1:14 pm

hunter1909: EMERGENCY ANNOUNCEMENT!
Last few hours to vote on whether or not hunter1909 gets a 30 day time out from Lowetide.
Simply vote “yes” if you think he needs to gtfo
Or vote “No” if you think he doesn’t deserve the break and instead can continue(following the Oilers)
Contest ends at puck drop today vs the Yotes.
ps: all non yes/no answers will be added to the total and count for 1 yes or 1 no vote. According to the judges discretion.

If Lucic scores today: Yes*
If Lucic doesn’t score today: No

You aren’t getting out of this that easily.

*Skill testing question retired.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! January 2, 2019 - 1:13 pm

knighttown,

Won’t go unchallenged eh? I don’t actually think you challenge my post that much, in fact I think you quite nicely bolstered my case but lets run through a couple things.

1) Sekera was not injured early in the summer he was injured in mid-August while Nurse was still unsigned. Add into that the extensive work that OP has done on the danger of spending big when a player is on LTIR and has an NMC and I’m not sure what your point is.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sekera-injury-cripples-oilers-leaves-defencemans-future-doubt/

2) Love your list its good stuff but take a look at those teams, take a look at their records and start crossing off the ones who have a similar record to the Oilers and/or are on skids equal to the Oilers after those injuries have taken place + got crap goaltending in the process (which is what I outlined).

Over half you list has teams that are either a) lower than the Oilers or b) damn near equal to the Oilers in points so I’m not sure how you’re challenging me aside from confirm exactly what I said with a larger sample size.

Teams with lesser records – St Louis, LA, Detroit, Ottawa, Carolina, New Jersey, Chicago, Minny

Teams with similar but not equal records – Dallas, Rangers, Florida, Vancouver

Teams I should have added to my 25-32 bracket that can withstand injuries list – Boston, Winnipeg

In the post I specifically mentioned that teams like Tampa/Nashville/Washington/Pittsburgh can in fact weather that sort of storm because of the age/experience of their core.

As for the teams that didn’t fit the exact mould (Calgary, Toronto and Buffalo) there is a reason I said “remove player X and X and see what happens.” I deliberately chose defensemen because that’s who is injured on the Oilers and because its a fact that defensemen play more minutes in more situations than any forward not named Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl.

Looking specifically at Toronto –
Nylander has been a non-factor since he returned. Matthews is a great talent, love the player. But you know who is even more important? Morgan Reilly and Ron Hainsey because those guys paper over the unbelievably crappy team defense that the Leafs forwards play on a consistent basis.

For folks that were aghast at TMac for running Talbot hard look at how many games and how much rubber Frederick Andersen has seen since becoming the Leafs starter. Its almost a guarantee that Babcock will run him just as hard this year and he’ll burn out in the playoffs. His December SV% was .903 a giant drop after November (.942). Since getting injured his fill in Sparks is rocking a .885 there are problems with the Leafs and they will get a whole lot worse if Mitch Marner leads the team in scoring again this season…

A similar calculus applies to Calgary, Buffalo and Colorado (who are in the midst of their own 5 game slump because they are a one line team) so that is exactly why I put them on that list.

Losing Klefbom and Russell in the same game means you now need to find adequate replacements to fill 40+ minutes of defense on two separate pairings and both special teams. This isn’t to say either are Norris trophy candidates, they aren’t, but its beyond ridiculous to say that they are not a GIANT part of the Oilers back-end, especially Klef who was 3rd in the league in ice time behind Suter and Doughty until he got injured.

That is a hard damn thing to do in mid-season, where the standings are incredibly tight and nobody is moving serviceable top 4 dmen for the hell of it.

Here is LTs Post from the morning after the Klef/Russell injuries against Colorado

https://lowetide.ca/2018/12/12/rocky-mountain-high/

Prior to the loss of those two dmen the Oilers were within spitting distance of the Pacific lead and 1 point back of Anaheim/San Jose with a game in hand.

With those two in the lineup + Hitch the Oilers were better than or equal to 3/4 of the list you dropped so thanks for proving my point 🙂

JimmyV1965 January 2, 2019 - 1:11 pm

drglen:
PinkSocks,

You know it truly is a pity that Milan’s skills deserted him.The hope was with connor, now with Milan.. that would be enough to attract free agents… that Edmonton was a place to be.For sure this is true of bottom six type players, bottom 2 D type players, but the thing that strikes me from the list is the lack of name talent in play.Not that all players have a say of course, but, look at Karlson. He would have transformed the team.. not interested. ( or that’s what I heard.. I have zero information on that so just talking out of my rear end admittedly)..

Edmonton is a hard sell and we’ve got to start making this ground fertile again. That can only be done with fresh GM and that should start right now. I’ve moved way over to the fire now side, and it’s not just out of anger or punishment/justice… it’s because we cannot change the fundamental flow of energy with him here. It would be nice to give him a win or two before he goes.

I don’t think this is a factor at all. We should never ever sign high-priced UFAs. Never ever. The only UFAs who end up being a bargain are the guys signed after day four of free agency. The Sharks traded a lot of assets to get a player who will cost them $11 mill next year. And we should never trade for guys like Stone, who will be a UFA next year and likely cost $9 mill.

Woogie63 January 2, 2019 - 1:08 pm

Brandon Davidson has been cut three times now.

I don’t think that makes Pete and idiot.

OmJo January 2, 2019 - 12:52 pm

drglen:
Or,,, as you call it keep your powder dry…

Do we really need the playoffs? As fans, if it essential we make the playoffs this year? The way the season has gone, I’m actually firm that we not try to make the playoffs via movements and trades this year. Our last play was the Manning move, and now it’s just blocking pathways. No more deals.. take your lumps, and more importantly , bring up the farm kids and let them play, .. that is let them develop and gain experience, in the NHL.

From a fan perspective, I’d be more interested in watching and following untested young talent, rather than slowly watching the rust fall off the tractor as it wastes away in the field.

forget playoffs (willingly)… bring up the youth and DO NOT TRADE THEM FIRST.. … new GM pronto.

Try convincing McDavid of this lol

Jethro Tull January 2, 2019 - 12:50 pm

drglen: maybe. He wasn’t THAT good.

FIFY

GordieHoweHatTrick January 2, 2019 - 12:49 pm

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
So leading up to the Klefbom/Russell Injuries the narrative was:

1) Horses aren’t elite BUT with the right coach playoffs are attainable

Klefbom/Rusell get hurt the narrative is:

2) Everybody (except CmD, Drai, Nuge) and everything sucks.

The answer is probably – holy shit when you remove 2 of the 6 dmen a team has it shows up really really quick.

Thought experiment alert, with the provisio of “I am not saying all players are equal only that they occupy similar roles on the teams in question,”

Toronto – remove Reilly and Hainsey and what happens?

Calgary – remove Giordano and Brodie and what happens?

Vancouver – remove Edler and Gubranson and what happens?

Colorado – remove Barrie and Johnson and what happens?

Buffalo – remove Ristolainen and Scandella and what happens?

Add into that some Mike Smith/Cam Talbot circa Jan-March 2018 level goaltending (likely impacted by the d-injuries but ugly nonetheless,) and a slide is all but guaranteed for any of the teams above.

Point – very very very few young up and coming teams could withstand losing two of their top 6 dmen and that includes a couple of the standout young teams.

Yes comparisons to Tampa and Nashville make us feel better but we all know those aren’t the right comparisons.

This is in no way a defense of other moves made by Chia, especially that of Lucic who through a couple of live viewings this season is just simply done. However, it is a useful exercise in explaining what has occurred over the last three weeks without pretending that the first three weeks of Hitch didn’t actually occur.

I know folks want to brush that away and say that its beside the point and if you look at the track record… and sure that is somewhat fair but not really. Those two injuries are massive and are loaded onto the ongoing Sekera conundrum, which even to this day is not seen in the proper unbelievably shitty luck light it needs to be seen in.

Agreed. Arguably oil down 3 of top 5 d. No team survives that well.
An interesting comparison is Golden Knights first 20 without Schmidt compared to last 20 with him. Total shift.
Not admonishing lack of preparedness and other shitty trades (Strome etc) but sometimes bad luck happens.

I think with a few more healthy defensen back Hitch can get this team
Playing close to the way it was for his first 10-12 games.

The reality is this team is STILL a year or two away from being able to weather shitty luck a little better.
Keep the investments in the future. Powder dry.
Chia still has to go tho…
?

Decidedly Skeptical Fan January 2, 2019 - 12:42 pm

russ99:
PinkSocks,

Davidson doesn’t want to play here again or he would have signed here.

That ship has sailed.

The mistake was to overpay Caggiula this summer rather than move him at the deadline or draft – not to dump him for a defenseman we need, since we only had 4.5 healthy NHL defensemen.

Hunter: hope you stay, unless you need that break.

This.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 12:36 pm

on that note…. it is absolutely GORGEOUS in edmonton right now. I’m going for a quick cross country ski ( advantage of living near millwoods golf course)… and if you’re in Edmonton… stop what you are doing.. stop reading here or thinking about hockey at all, and get outside for about an hour. Glorious day.

Leroy Draisdale January 2, 2019 - 12:25 pm

hunter1909:
EMERGENCY ANNOUNCEMENT!

Last few hours to vote on whether or not hunter1909 gets a 30 day time out from Lowetide.

Simply vote “yes” if you think he needs to gtf

Or vote “No” if you think he doesn’t deserve the break and instead can continue(following the Oilers)

Contest ends at puck drop today vs the Yotes.

ps: all non yes/no answers will be added to the total and count for 1 yes or 1 no vote. According to the judges discretion.

I vote no… with a caveat.
I value all of the posters here( even the ones I disagree with). Your contributions would be missed.

The caveat being if you are too invested in the team and following them is becoming too much of a stressor then by all means take some time and recharge!

drglen January 2, 2019 - 12:23 pm

russ99:
PinkSocks,

Davidson doesn’t want to play here again or he would have signed here.

maybe. He was disrespected.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 12:20 pm

PinkSocks,

You know it truly is a pity that Milan’s skills deserted him. The hope was with connor, now with Milan.. that would be enough to attract free agents… that Edmonton was a place to be. For sure this is true of bottom six type players, bottom 2 D type players, but the thing that strikes me from the list is the lack of name talent in play. Not that all players have a say of course, but, look at Karlson. He would have transformed the team.. not interested. ( or that’s what I heard.. I have zero information on that so just talking out of my rear end admittedly)..

Edmonton is a hard sell and we’ve got to start making this ground fertile again. That can only be done with fresh GM and that should start right now. I’ve moved way over to the fire now side, and it’s not just out of anger or punishment/justice… it’s because we cannot change the fundamental flow of energy with him here. It would be nice to give him a win or two before he goes.

jtblack January 2, 2019 - 12:17 pm

I know how a lot of our 2015 Draft Picks dissappeared. (Talbot, Reinhart)

Can someone tell me how all the 2014 picks dissappeared?

jtblack January 2, 2019 - 12:16 pm

Woodguy v2.0:
Tyler with a graph showing goal scoring by every team when you remove their top 4 goal scorers:

https://twitter.com/dellowhockey/status/1080487405155700736?s=19

Spoiler: EDM is DFL

Good job Pete

And DFL by quite a Margin!!!!

ArmchairGM January 2, 2019 - 12:14 pm

drglen: You’d part with Nurse… I could see it because he has value, but no, don’t do it. Keep him. He has value and known value, and is just heading into his best. Trading him becomes an immediate win for whoever gets him.

I’d trade Nurse too, but only for a young player with talent and term, such as Ehlers.

russ99 January 2, 2019 - 12:14 pm

PinkSocks,

Davidson doesn’t want to play here again or he would have signed here.

That ship has sailed.

The mistake was to overpay Caggiula this summer rather than move him at the deadline or draft – not to dump him for a defenseman we need, since we only had 4.5 healthy NHL defensemen.

Hunter: hope you stay, unless you need that break.

jtblack January 2, 2019 - 12:13 pm

hunter1909:
EMERGENCY ANNOUNCEMENT!

Last few hours to vote on whether or not hunter1909 gets a 30 day time out from Lowetide.

Simply vote “yes” if you think he needs to gtfo

Or vote “No” if you think he doesn’t deserve the break and instead can continue(following the Oilers)

Contest ends at puck drop today vs the Yotes.

ps: all non yes/no answers will be added to the total and count for 1 yes or 1 no vote. According to the judges discretion.

why do you need a Break? I say NO break

Paulie January 2, 2019 - 12:13 pm

PinkSocks: If Davidson and Manning are his options for a 3rd pairing stop gap, Davidson is a better bet. He is a better all around hockey player, and he is on waivers.PC either A) didn’t ask about Davidson, or B) preferred Manning. Either option is a massive failure.

Davidson would have cost a 7th rounder or a Nolan Vesey type of contract. Manning cost the 2nd highest scoring winger despite his obvious warts.

I have moved over to the fire PC crowd.He has established a track record of losing virtually every trade he makes.

Pete said Manning was “meaner” than Gravel. He’s meaner than Davey too. Not better.

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 12:13 pm

PinkSocks,

Just for fun I looked at the Lightning and their trades in the same time period. Not a single bad trade.

Highlights:

+McDonagh AND Miller for Howden, picks and spare parts
+Sergachev AND a 2nd for Drouin
+ dumping Filpulla’s terrible contract on the Flyers for literally free

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 12:09 pm

Let’s do 2 calendar years so we give PC the benefit of the doubt on the Hall and Reinhart beauties.

Since Jan 1 2017 PC has made 16 trades. 2 wins, 6 losses, and 8 that are pretty much a wash. That is atrocious. Obviously opinions may vary, but I’d assume there is general consensus here.

Wideman + 3rd for Petrovic – even
Caggiula + Garrison for Manning + the other guy – loss
6th for Wideman – even
Strome for Spooner – loss
7th for Vesey – loss
3rd for Marody – win
Maroon for 3rd – loss
Letestu for Aberg – even
Davidson for 3rd – win
Montoya for 4th – loss
Chase for futures – even
Cammalleri for Jokinen – even
Eberle for Strome and cap space – loss
Fontaine for Beck – even
Desharnais for Davidson – even
Samuelson for Moroz – even

drglen January 2, 2019 - 12:09 pm

JimmyV1965: Okay I get it. IDK. Trading for Manning makes him an idiot. I don’t think bringing back Davidson for a third time is realistic though.

ya I know.. but he was actually a pretty good player. Think of it as just a second time, because this last let go was a mistake.

Jordan January 2, 2019 - 12:08 pm

godot10:
Nurse’s contract demands don’t matter anymore now that he has signed a bridge deal.All future contracts are determined by market value directly (free agency) or indirectly (arbitration).

I continue to be amazed by the amount of flak Draisaitl and Nurse take (and Klefbom took last year).

Blaming your best players is stupid.It is what the Oilers management have done for the last decade plus.

Nurse (not Larsson) was given the Schieffle/Wheeler assignment with a new arrived partner who he had one practice with, who was unfamiliar with the OIlers system, and who is basically 3rd pairing D in quality.

The Schieffle line is one of the 10 best lines, and arguably top 5, lines in the league.And it wasn’t the Schieffle line that beat the Oilers.

As I’ve already said – I like Nurse, but his contract demands this past year do play a role in his value to the team. And as a manager, its his job to not only look at trends on the on ice product but also the cost of those assets off the ice. Nurse was asking for a 5M+ long term deal this past summer. That’s a good contract for someone who’s a clear #2-3 Dman in the NHL. Nurse has shown flashes of being that guy, but he hasn’t been consistent enough that I’d be comfortable paying him that much. His current deal expires in a year and a half, and then you’re back to him asking for more than he’s worth again, with fewer RFA years to buy.

I would not expect his agent or his agent’s demands to change in that time. Ergo, I would expect a similarly inflated salary request at 6M+ in the spring / summer of 2020.

I would therefore expect that trying to move him now may be reasonable if the return is of equal or greater value than the 1.5 years of him at 3.2M and the X years at 5.5M (this number is a placeholder for whatever number you expect to be able to sign him for in 2020.

Maybe there isn’t a trade to be made here. Maybe there’s no dancing partner. But there’s a difference between saying I’m willing to trade this player if the deal makes sense and saying this players a bum and should be moved out no matter what.

He’s clearly a capable NHL Defenseman.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 12:06 pm

New Improved Darkness,

ah…so.. what is this saying? PC has to go…you like the Trades, .. play Talbot tonight? Must be that new dandelion coffee i’m trying.

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 12:05 pm

Has anyone heard from Kinger?

JimmyV1965 January 2, 2019 - 12:03 pm

drglen: Because the depth defenseman the oilers are desperately seeking, is the one they had ( Brandon Davidson), who has always done well in that role, liked Edmonton, well like and respected by teammates and fans… so 1. traded away in the first place.. just because. .. and 2 would have been available ‘for free’… if he had not been acting out of desperation.Chicago obviously had known they are waiving Davidson, but knew they would not be able to move out Manning if they revealed this too soon, to PC. ( * This is pure speculation)

Okay I get it. IDK. Trading for Manning makes him an idiot. I don’t think bringing back Davidson for a third time is realistic though.

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 12:03 pm

JimmyV1965: Honest question. How does this make Chia an idiot?

If Davidson and Manning are his options for a 3rd pairing stop gap, Davidson is a better bet. He is a better all around hockey player, and he is on waivers. PC either A) didn’t ask about Davidson, or B) preferred Manning. Either option is a massive failure.

Davidson would have cost a 7th rounder or a Nolan Vesey type of contract. Manning cost the 2nd highest scoring winger despite his obvious warts.

I have moved over to the fire PC crowd. He has established a track record of losing virtually every trade he makes.

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 12:01 pm

No idea what can be done about his cap hit – but Milan Lucic should not come *anywhere* near the Oilers team next year.

Can we start the dumping of assetss now?

Jim Cramer – Mad Money.

SELL! SELL!

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:57 am

Jordan: I understand your desire to hold onto these players.

I like them, and recognize their value.I am not advocating trading them.

However, I am saying that they should be made available for quality players.Players who are definitely top 3 D-men or top 5 forwards.These are players I would build a package around for a Taresneko, a Benn, or a Doughty.

Maybe a better way to say it is… I would be fine with trading them if Chiarelli isn’t the guy trading them, because he always loses trades that involve NHL calibre players or better.

you are right. Trades have to be made in a brutal, objective light. I am encumbered by attachment this is true.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:54 am

powerploy:
SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

very reasonable, setting aside emotion, comments, agree completely.I do believe chia is a below average gm, but there is no rush to oust him until you can find someone better.

as pointed out by some bloggers, a sentiment that.. the continued presence of PC with the team influences in game use and lineup decisions, a kind of unspoken pressure to utilize the pieces that we paid for.

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 11:53 am

godot10:
Caggiula was one forward shipped out who was deserving of being shipping out.He hurt far more than he ever helped.From Day 1.

I agree, however the return on the trade was even worse than Caggiula hurt the team.

Jordan January 2, 2019 - 11:53 am

drglen: (sorry for long quote). I really like your list, agree with Khaira. You’d part with Nurse… I could see it because he has value, but no, don’t do it. Keep him. He has value and known value, and is just heading into his best. Trading him becomes an immediate win for whoever gets him.

puj and yamo.. if we dont’ see them as projecting top 6… then maybe.Keep them though, way too soon for both and salary wise,.. affordable.The lack of anything from the rest of the wingers throws unhappy light and somewhat unfair light on these two. We should have room to simply have and protect these guys.

Kassian has value to a contender needing a little beef. Not sure who that is… maybe Toronto.

I understand your desire to hold onto these players.

I like them, and recognize their value. I am not advocating trading them.

However, I am saying that they should be made available for quality players. Players who are definitely top 3 D-men or top 5 forwards. These are players I would build a package around for a Taresneko, a Benn, or a Doughty.

Maybe a better way to say it is… I would be fine with trading them if Chiarelli isn’t the guy trading them, because he always loses trades that involve NHL calibre players or better.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:52 am

JimmyV1965: Honest question. How does this make Chia an idiot?

Because the depth defenseman the oilers are desperately seeking, is the one they had ( Brandon Davidson), who has always done well in that role, liked Edmonton, well like and respected by teammates and fans… so 1. traded away in the first place.. just because. .. and 2 would have been available ‘for free’… if he had not been acting out of desperation. Chicago obviously had known they are waiving Davidson, but knew they would not be able to move out Manning if they revealed this too soon, to PC. ( * This is pure speculation)

OmJo January 2, 2019 - 11:49 am

forcing a deal is a terrible negotiation strategy

Unfortunately I’m not sure if Chiarelli has any other negotiating strategies up his sleeve at this point.

powerploy January 2, 2019 - 11:48 am

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!,

very reasonable, setting aside emotion, comments, agree completely. I do believe chia is a below average gm, but there is no rush to oust him until you can find someone better.

JimmyV1965 January 2, 2019 - 11:45 am

PinkSocks:
Chicago Blackhawks put Brandon Davidson on waivers.Pete is a fucking idiot.

Honest question. How does this make Chia an idiot?

New Improved Darkness January 2, 2019 - 11:44 am

The Fascinating Saga of the Three-Fingered Man would make for a gripping bathroom reader, but we’re staring down In Search of Lost Time and unfortunately it’s not written in the steady, all-seeing copper plate of Marcel Proust—though it is written in seven volumes (each packing six million words of tumid, stiff-fingered ransom script).

The first year did feature that amazing and improbable bathroom-aquarium sex scene with Amphibian Man (The Shape of Water)—followed quite predictably by six years of rotting floor boards.

Giles remains happy, because Amphibian Man is good for hair growth. He’s even thinking of going in for a fumble himself—he’s halfway inclined already—because his hair is thin not just on the top of his head, but also where it really matters. Or so we all believed back in the NHL’s Samson era. But what did Samson know from bicycles or boxing?

* Gravel rash wounds heal quicker.
* Bandage tape goes on and off easier.
* Massages are less painful.
* Compression garments work better and are easier to get in and out of.
* Feels better/cooler when running.
* Intimidates rivals — it means you’re serious.
* So your GF doesn’t shave alone.

(Rehashed from a rehash.)

I’m presently thinking hard about executing a multiple-year double facepalm with new, improved webbed fingers. The finger webbing really changes things. You can actually see a lot through the cracks in regular, human hands. Problem being, you see too many cracks through the cracks. Too many hairy cracks. Too many hairy cracks that are not my cup of tea to ooze and awe over for another four long years.

Awe shucks, avert your eyes, I’m a prospective amputee.

McSorley33 January 2, 2019 - 11:44 am

Sierra,

Imagine how this team would look with a completely healthy D and a $6M winger producing like a $6M winger.

Dare to dream.
*********************************************************************************************
Take a look at Dellow’s graph of our forward scoring….we are not just dead last –
we are dead last by a healthy margin.

Your 1 winger may bring us all the way up to 29th.

godot10 January 2, 2019 - 11:44 am

Caggiula was one forward shipped out who was deserving of being shipping out. He hurt far more than he ever helped. From Day 1.

McNuge93 January 2, 2019 - 11:43 am

I think I have now come over to the fire Chia side but to me it should be at the end of the season. However the pressure to make moves on both Katz and Chia is concerning. Trading our first should be off the table. In another couple of weeks it may be apparent we are sellers and hopefully that will be the mandate to the trade deadline. Trade Petrovic, Reider, and a goalie and hopefully one of Kassian, Spooner, Manning. I would sign Chiasson if a realistic deal is available.

Re Lucic I think a buyout just doesn’t make sense. The only slim possibility is a trade with substantial salary retained. Some team that needs real toughness. (I’m looking at you, Vancouver)

What a crap show. Just can’t believe this Groundhog Day we are in.

Richard S.S. January 2, 2019 - 11:43 am

Losing Klefbom and Russell let us learn about the Defense. A certain Callup is a absolute keeper, possible top pairing ability definitely there. Larsson is irreplaceable. Benning is, at best third pairing. Gravel handles what he can very well. The new guys will take a few games to mess. So winning games will start soon.

godot10 January 2, 2019 - 11:41 am

Nurse’s contract demands don’t matter anymore now that he has signed a bridge deal. All future contracts are determined by market value directly (free agency) or indirectly (arbitration).

I continue to be amazed by the amount of flak Draisaitl and Nurse take (and Klefbom took last year).

Blaming your best players is stupid. It is what the Oilers management have done for the last decade plus.

Nurse (not Larsson) was given the Schieffle/Wheeler assignment with a new arrived partner who he had one practice with, who was unfamiliar with the OIlers system, and who is basically 3rd pairing D in quality.

The Schieffle line is one of the 10 best lines, and arguably top 5, lines in the league. And it wasn’t the Schieffle line that beat the Oilers.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:40 am

Jordan:
hunter1909,

I vote No.

You’re stuck on this island like the rest of us.

re: Trades

The only trades the Oilers should be making this year is players out for draft picks, young prospects with skill, or other pieces thatcould be used to clear cap space.

Dumping Lucic and a 1st doesn’t help the team if you go spend that money on another Lucic.This team needs to build from within, and look for value deals.

Oilers Players who should be available before the deadline:
Kassian
Lucic
Rieder
Spooner
Brodziak
Rattie
Chiasson
Petrovic
Benning
Manning
Gravel
One of Talbot/Koskinen

Players who could be available as part of a package for a high-end player:
Puljujarvi
Yamamoto
Nurse (I expect the Oilers feel he’s part of the core, but based on his play, I think he’s over-rated for his salary demands, and the Oilers would be wise to move him along).

Players who should not be traded due to combination of skill / contract value:
McDavid
Draisaitl
Nuge
Khaira
Jones
Klefbom
Larsson

This should have been done last year as well.If you’re not in the playoffs, sell away.

(sorry for long quote). I really like your list, agree with Khaira. You’d part with Nurse… I could see it because he has value, but no, don’t do it. Keep him. He has value and known value, and is just heading into his best. Trading him becomes an immediate win for whoever gets him.

puj and yamo.. if we dont’ see them as projecting top 6… then maybe. Keep them though, way too soon for both and salary wise,.. affordable. The lack of anything from the rest of the wingers throws unhappy light and somewhat unfair light on these two. We should have room to simply have and protect these guys.

Kassian has value to a contender needing a little beef. Not sure who that is… maybe Toronto.

linkfromhyrule January 2, 2019 - 11:39 am

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!,

I agree with you regarding the defense, we have essentially been without our best veteran Dman for going on two full seasons. Combine that with the loss of Klef and Russel and it is no wonder we aren’t winning games right now. That said, I don’t believe he did enough to address the loss of Sekera in any of the past 3 off-seasons. When healthy, the defence is definitely improved and you could probably even argue it’s average NHL quality, but the depth is still pretty bad. Gravel has been good, but his other solutions have mostly been terrible.

The other side of the problem here though is that the team doesn’t score goals either outside of our top 3 scorers. WG posted some very interesting information yesterday about CF% and GF% before and after the COL game, as well as the chart this morning from Dellow showing scoring depth outside of top scorers.

What I believe has happened is prior to that COL game, the bottom 6 was basically offensive non-factors in the outcome of the game. Neither scoring or being scored upon frequently (post-Hitch). Now that the D have gone down, they still aren’t scoring but are being scored upon a lot. Brodziak has a 0% GF% since the COL game. That’s unbelievable for an NHL regular. There has been a marked decrease in the Mcdavid OFF GF% since that game. Most NHL players would struggle with this defense, but the forwards Chiarelli has assembled here don’t have a hope in hell of keeping their heads above water with this D. To be honest, I don’t believe we have many bottom 6 players who are above replacement level. Lucic is one of the worst boat anchors I’ve ever seen with one of the worst contracts in the history of the NHL.

The scoring problem is undeniably Chiarelli’s fault. He has consistently shipped out offensive players that could score and brought in worse players to replace them. Caggiula, with all his warts, is the latest example of this. Check out the lists of our top scorers from the past 2-3 seasons and you will see that Chiarelli has punted almost all of them outside of our 3 C’s. I don’t know who he expected to score this year, honestly.

In addition to this, he has pissed away value in trades and contracts since the day he was hired. Hall for Larsson, Eberle for Spooner, 16+33 for nothing, and the Lucic contract are all borderline fireable offenses on their own. That he has been allowed to keep his position even still after all of these is actually pretty incredible. It’s amazing that we are this medicore AND capped out.

I guess what I am getting at is that yes Chiarelli has improved certain things about the team. The goaltending has mostly been ok, and the defence is NHL quality when healthy. Drafting has also been improved. Yet when you look at it on balance, with how he has managed the assets we had in players and cap space, he should have been fired a long time ago.

The only mitigating factor in my judgment of Chiarelli is that perhaps there are too many Oiler lifers working there who should not be on merit. Where was he getting his information from? The pro scouting is awful and does not seem to have improved at all since he was hired. I thought he was given full control when hired, but how does everyone still have a job after all of this? How can he look at the on-ice product and not wonder wtf is wrong with the information he is being provided?

This entire organization is just unbelievable

dcsj January 2, 2019 - 11:37 am

hunter1909,

I vote No, because you add entertainment value to an otherwise dismal season. You and Connor, that is.

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 11:34 am

godot10: Bettman has wide discretion to punish teams for cap contravention.

It’s probably worth it though.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:31 am

Professor Q:
Not that I want to get caught up into the Nostradamus Club here (come on, as much as Peter deserves to be fired, it’s not like he could foresee this).

However, it really is interesting with Chicago and former Oilers D.

Gustafsson is playing well, Davidson available, and Oesterle was there too for a bit, obviously.

Maybe they like our D, regardless if we don’t.

It’s not that he didn’t see it coming… it’s that they saw it coming. They played him, .. like poker.. they knew.. he would bite. They used him, and us, to solve a budget problem.

Jordan January 2, 2019 - 11:31 am

hunter1909,

I vote No.

You’re stuck on this island like the rest of us.

re: Trades

The only trades the Oilers should be making this year is players out for draft picks, young prospects with skill, or other pieces thatcould be used to clear cap space.

Dumping Lucic and a 1st doesn’t help the team if you go spend that money on another Lucic. This team needs to build from within, and look for value deals.

Oilers Players who should be available before the deadline:
Kassian
Lucic
Rieder
Spooner
Brodziak
Rattie
Chiasson
Petrovic
Benning
Manning
Gravel
One of Talbot/Koskinen

Players who could be available as part of a package for a high-end player:
Puljujarvi
Yamamoto
Nurse (I expect the Oilers feel he’s part of the core, but based on his play, I think he’s over-rated for his salary demands, and the Oilers would be wise to move him along).

Players who should not be traded due to combination of skill / contract value:
McDavid
Draisaitl
Nuge
Khaira
Jones
Klefbom
Larsson

This should have been done last year as well. If you’re not in the playoffs, sell away.

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 11:29 am

PinkSocks: Seriously it happened. How did the conversation unfold with Pete and Bowman? The price for Davidson would have been a 7th rounder in 2020.

PC – “Hey Stan, Pete here.”
SB – “AWESOME!”
PC – “I’m fucked, I need a D”
SB – “Davidson?”
PC – “Nah, traded him twice already, how about Manning?”
SB – “… what?”
PC – “Yeah he’s strong and tough and things”
SB – “I can’t take on Lucic’s contract though”
PC – “Oh no, I’ll give you my highest scoring winger not on IR”
SB – “…what?”
PC – “Caggiula, but you need to take Garrison, he sucks”
SB – “….ok. Take care now Pete, make sure to take your medicine. No takebacks”

godot10 January 2, 2019 - 11:27 am

doctoreye:
Make Lucic an assistant coach.Does not count against the cap!

Bettman has wide discretion to punish teams for cap contravention.

Professor Q January 2, 2019 - 11:27 am

Not that I want to get caught up into the Nostradamus Club here (come on, as much as Peter deserves to be fired, it’s not like he could foresee this, though maybe it would have been either picking Manning or Davidson off waivers).

However, it really is interesting with Chicago and former Oilers D.

Gustafsson is playing well, Davidson available, and Oesterle was there too for a bit, obviously.

Maybe they like our D, regardless if we don’t.

Or, maybe Chia really is a scuttle master.

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 11:26 am

PinkSocks:
Chicago Blackhawks put Brandon Davidson on waivers.Pete is a fucking idiot.

Seriously it happened. How did the conversation unfold with Pete and Bowman? The price for Davidson would have been a 7th rounder in 2020.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:24 am

Well, I needed some buzz.. and right on cue! You see, this truly is THE MOST INTERESTING TEAM IN HOCKEY… if not all major north American Sports, at this time. This cannot be ignored, you could not script this any better for some kind of slapshot revival. This is Spinal Tap.

PinkSocks January 2, 2019 - 11:19 am

drglen: oh my gawd… .. that’s it man. Seriously, this has to be saturday night live territory now.

Well, might as well claim him anyways.

It is just so asinine it’s hilarious.

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:19 am

tileguy:
Instead of trading our first, maybe we can trade for a first. Could Talbot fetch us that? Talbot and our second for a first?

I wonder what he would fetch? Probably a little more once late Feb/March hits , if we can wait. I don’t think you should ever trade away your first round pick unless you just won the cup. I’m hoping Talbot is bundled with maybe Benning .. to LA.. for Taffoli.

knighttown January 2, 2019 - 11:19 am

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:

The answer is probably – holy shit when you remove 2 of the 6 dmen a team has it shows up really really quick.

Thought experiment alert, with the provisio of “I am not saying all players are equal only that they occupy similar roles on the teams in question,”

Toronto – remove Reilly and Hainsey and what happens?

Calgary – remove Giordano and Brodie and what happens?

Vancouver – remove Edler and Gubranson and what happens?

Colorado – remove Barrie and Johnson and what happens?

Buffalo – remove Ristolainen and Scandella and what happens?

Point – very very very few young up and coming teams could withstand losing two of their top 6 dmen and that includes a couple of the standout young teams.

I’m sorry, this can’t go unchallenged. The Oilers injury situation is nothing special when you allow for the fact that we knew Sekera was done early in the summer.

We’ve lost our #1 Dman, Oscar Klefbom for a dozen games and our #4 DMan, Kris Russell for about the same. And Toby Rieder missed a month but who cares. Our only 3 forwards that matter, our two goalies and Nurse and Larsson have been healthy.

Just check out the lists below I’ve parsed to include starting goalies, top 6 forwards-ish and top 4 defensemen. This is players placed on actual IR…so now day-to-day stuff. Just look at the shit the teams in our own division have gone through and tell me the Oilers are unlucky. Many/most teams have lost Olympic level players for good chunks of time.

If you haven’t put together contingency plans that let you survive the loss of Oscar Klefbom for 6-8 weeks you’re not doing you job.

Toronto- Auston Matthews, William Nylander (holdout)
Devils- Taylor Hall, Marcus Johannson, Vatanen, Bratt
Dallas- John Klingberg,Ben Bishop, Radulov
Jets- Dustin Byugflien
Ottawa- Thomas Chabot, Craig Anderson, Matt Duchene, Tkachuk
Blues- Alex Pietrangelo. Schwartz
Vegas- Colin Miller, Schmidt (Susp), Pacioretty, Stastney, Haula, Tuch
NYI- Jordan Eberle
Nashville- PK Subban, Viktor Arvidsson, Turris, FOrsberg, Rinne
Boston- Charlie McAvoy, Zdeno Chara, Kevin Miller, Patrice Bergeron, Krug
Carolina- Jordan Staal, Pesce
Pittsburgh- Patrick Hornqvist, Matt Murray, Schultz
Montreal- SHea Weber, Carey Price
Chicago- Corey Crawford
Tampa- Vasilevski, Stralman, Palat, Hedman
NYR- Shattenkirk
Calgary- Backlund
LA- Alec Martinez, Jon Quick
Wash- Oshie, Wilson
Anaheim- Lindholm, Fowler, Kase, Eaves, Manson, Silvferberg, Getzlaf, Kesler, Perry
Buffalo- SHeary
Vancouver- Brock Boeser, Tanev, Sutter, Edler, Baertschi, Petterson
Florida- Trocheck, Luongo
Arizona- Raanta, Chychrun
Philly- JVR

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:17 am

PinkSocks:
Chicago Blackhawks put Brandon Davidson on waivers.Pete is a fucking idiot.

oh my gawd… .. that’s it man. Seriously, this has to be saturday night live territory now.

Well, might as well claim him anyways.

dustrock January 2, 2019 - 11:17 am

PinkSocks:
Chicago Blackhawks put Brandon Davidson on waivers.Pete is a fucking idiot.

Ah ha ha ha hah ah ahahhahahahahahahahhaahah

drglen January 2, 2019 - 11:15 am

Ok I need something to look forward to in this game. Anything… what’s the buzz? New lines? Manny appears behind the bench or is at least sighted? New D pairs? Extra D used as winger, . somebody back from injury, .. team breakfast with super cacao and