I Wish I Was The Moon Tonight

Craig MacTavish used to say teams play well enough to win games right at the end of losing streaks, and the Winnipeg game earlier this week suggested it. Last night in the desert, near the 400 arenas that have been constructed specifically for the Coyotes, Edmonton put the damnable losing streak to sleep.

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  • New Lowetide: What could the Oilers acquire in a Jesse Puljujarvi trade?
  • New Jonathan Willis: The Edmonton Oilers are one good summer away from being competitive.
  • New Daniel Nugent Bowman: Why Joseph Gambardella’s first NHL call-up really hit home.
  • Pierre Lebrun: LeBrun Notebook: Chiarelli under pressure to deliver in Edmonton.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Peter Chiarelli’s reasoning for acquiring Brandon Manning doesn’t add up
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 9 prospect Winter 2018: Joel Persson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers acquire Brandon Manning in a Sunday shocker, and this ought to be interesting.
  • Lowetide: Oilers acquire Alexander Petrovic from Panthers, flushing Chris Wideman and a 2019 third-round pick in the trade.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 40 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 16-21-3, 35 points; goal differential -22
  • Oilers in 2016: 20-13-7, 47 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 17-20-3, 37 points; goal differential -17
  • Oilers in 2018: 19-18-3, 41 points; goal differential -6

The 2018 McDavids are on track to finish 82, 39-37-6, 84 points. Miles from the playoffs, but a win on Saturday against Los Angeles and the team will have 43 points at the halfway point in the year. I had them at 90-94 points, they’ll project to 86 points, should they win.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in January 2017: 0-1-0, no points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2018: 0-1-0, no points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in January 2019: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +1

This game was 50/50, but the Oilers formula (McDavid and McDavid and goalie) worked and we’re on the the west coast. Will we see another fast start to a month?

WHAT TO EXPECT IN JANUARY

  • On the road to: Arizona, Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 1-0-0, two points in one game

Things begin as expected, this game was the easiest win on the road trip. It’ll be tougher in California. How much clean air Hitchcock can find for 97 in those tough barns on the coast?

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson went 11-7 in 14:07, 7-3 shots, 2-0 goals and 5-1 HDSC. Larsson was also 4-4 in 4:04 with Caleb Jones and Nurse was 3-7 in 3:49 (0-1 goals) with Petrovic. Went 10-5 in 7:55 against Richardson-Hinostroza-Panik. Larsson played with an edge defensively, got an assist on the first goal and shoved the puck to Leon to start goal No. 2 on its way. Nurse was effective to my eye with Larsson.
  • Manning-Benning went 4-10 in 10:40, 2-4 shots, no goals and 0-4 HDSC. Manning is dirt mean. Went 4-4 in 5:40 against Crouse-Cousins-Archibald. Manning gives the team a different look, I don’t think he’s a better defender than Gravel but he is more physical. Russell’s return Saturday probably means pressbox for one of these men.
  • Jones-Petrovic were 10-21 in 15:55, 5-11 shots, no goals and 3-5 in HDSC. Fascinating this pairing played the most minutes as a pair on the night. Went 11-11 in 9:01 against Keller-Galchenyuk-Stepan. Petrovic made some nice defensive plays, I like Jones with a veteran shutdown type.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 29 of 30, .967. He was brilliant.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian went 18-15 in 16:46, 12-10 shots, 2-1 goals and 7-5 HDSC. Were 9-5-1 in Offensive zone starts. Trio was 14-15 against Ekman-Larsson/Hjalmarsson in 13:28, 2-0 goals. This line, along with Koskinen and Larsson, were the keys to victory. Kassian had five HDSC according to Natural Stat Trick. Leon was moving those legs and McDavid was dangerous every shift. The team needed the win and the big men stepped up.
  • Lucic-Khaira-Spooner went 5-8 in 9:12, 1-3 shots, no goals and 0-2 HDSC. I thought this line was pretty good, featuring a nice chance from Spooner (Khaira great passing again) and good heavy work by Lucic and Khaira. Were 4-2 in 4:51 against Oesterle-Lyubushkin.
  • Gambardella-Brodziak-Rattie went 3-5 in 6:22, 1-3 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC. I like the line’s speed and forechecking, Gambardella made a dangerous escape effort from the slot that could have been a disaster but I liked his effort on the wall and in one desperate a chance to clear the puck. Rattie worked hard, as did Brodziak.
  • Rieder-Nuge-Puljujarvi went 6-14 in 11:34, 4-5 shots, no goals and 1-3 HDSC. I loved Puljujarvi’s game, plenty of jump and he was ramrod again. A lovely pass to Rieder could have been an early goal but it did draw a penalty. Nuge also had a 10-bell chance. Several times JP made a second effort just to get the puck deep. A fine game. Trio went 5-12 in 7:34 against Connauton-Oesterle, 3-5 shots and no goals. The line cycled well and earned a goal that didn’t come.

CHIASSON AND RUSSELL

It sounds like Edmonton will be getting some help as early as Saturday. Alex Chiasson’s return should mean the team can put the band back together on the top line, with Kassian returning to old haunts. Here’s what I’d like to see, with Chiasson and Russell back.

  • Leon Draisaitl—Connor McDavid—Alex Chiasson
  • Jujhar Khaira—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Tobias Rieder—Ryan Spooner—Ty Rattie
  • Milan Lucic—Kyle Brodziak—Zack Kassian
  • Darnell Nurse—Adam Larsson
  • Caleb Jones—Matt Benning
  • Kril Russell—Alex Petrovic
  • Mikko Koskinen (Cam Talbot)

Evan Bouchard and Team Canada are out, and now comes the picking apart of what went wrong. I think the Canadians were about equal with several teams in the tournament, lacking a dominant forward. Bouchard was fine not spectacular, and that has absolutely zero impact on his future. Seriously.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we’re rocking and rolling with a strong guest list and a mountain of angst over teenage loss on the coast. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Canada is out at the World Juniors!
  • Josh Lewenberg, TSN. Raptors and NBA.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. LadiesloveSmid says:

    They’ll send Jones down instead of scratching Manning.

    They are paying him over $2M for the next year and a half after all. ugh

  2. nelson88 says:

    Happy New Year LT and readers.

    Will be interested in seeing where you slot Samorukov. I have him at 5. The next Jeff Petry 😉

  3. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Great post LT, as always. You always manage to talk me off the ledge but keep me watching.

  4. Westchester Oil says:

    If Manning sits when Russell comes back – and he probably should – that puts an exclamation mark on the stupidity of that trade. If you squint really hard, you can see a tiny bit of rationale for Chiarelli’s other shitty trades, as bad as they have been. The Manning trade, however, cannot be justified in any scenario – it’s just flushing away valuable cap space for next year.

    I’m glad the losing streak is over but I’m still mega-depressed about the trade.

  5. v4ance says:

    Posters here keep referring to the article from 7 months ago describing the Red wine Summits. I would like to point out that it was written by Marc Spector who is known to be a mouthpiece for certain factions within the organization. He’s always written with an agenda slanting his articles with butt licking praise or back stabbing venom.

    I just was reading an article on Vox.com about Benjamin Netanyhu and his pending cases of corruption and fraud. It stated that one of his tactics for staying in power was that he started slinging mud at his opponents to try divert attention from his own missteps. Buying positive media attention for himself and inciting negative media for his enemies (illegally) is how he’s stayed in the PM’s chair for years.

    Looking at the timing of the story on the Red Wine Summits, it’s not coincidental that it came out when some of the MSM were starting to question Chiarelli’s tenure. With the fire lit under his chair, someone leaked the info that led to the hit piece on the OBC. I’m not saying that the meddling of the retired players is right but the buck stops at Chiarelli’s door since he IS the General Manager and President of Hockey Operations. He should have been more focused on doing a better job constructing a team and spending less time making machiavellian moves with his pet reporter.

  6. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage expressed at points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    WPG 13
    NSH 9
    DAL 5

    Pacific
    CGY 13
    SJS 9
    VGK 9

    Wilcard
    COL 5
    ANA 4

    Out of playoffs
    MIN 1
    EDM 1
    VAN 1
    STL -3
    ARI -4
    CHI -6
    LAK -6

    Pacific MIN/DAL/COL games tonight:

    MIN at TOR (TOR -180)
    CGY at BOS (BOS -160)
    VAN at MTL (MTL -195)
    WSH at STL (WSH -115)
    TBY at LAK (TBY -185)

  7. nvan97 says:

    Team Canada lacked a dominant forward? It’s almost like they could’ve used the 2nd leading scorer in the WHL who put up 6 points in the 4 games during the WJs.

  8. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I never thought I’d be rooting for Toronto, Montréal, and Boston all in one night, but here we are.

    No problem with Washington or Tampa Bay, though!

  9. Ben says:

    This’ll be one of the more interesting deadlines in team history.

    1) There’s a decent chance the team will be adding three top-6 D off of IR before then.

    2) Jones is an unknown quantity, but he’s currently enjoying a varied lunch buffet

    3) That leaves Manning, Petrovic, Gravel, Benning in the 7-10 slots, with only Benning and Manning signed next year.

    4) My guess is they’ll remain “firmly” on the bubble on Feb 25.

    5) Talbot’s the biggest wildcard in terms of value to another bubble team.

    (Of course Sekera’s hard to predict, and other injuries will arise).

    I think the move would be to try to cash quantity for even a marginal upgrade in quality as soon as you get some bodies back. Something like Benning/Gravel/Kassian for a W.

    And yes, I’d trade Talbot now. I don’t think he’s shown near enough over the 3 years to warrant his current contract, let alone another.

    But I suspect we’ll see a “Gravel for a 5th” and that’ll be that.

  10. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oiler Goal Share after 40 games (19-18-3)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 43-31 (58%)
    McDavid Off Ice 36-54 (40%)
    EV=-6

    Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
    29-30
    ST=-1

    Empty Net: (all 5v6 & 5v6)
    5-12
    EN= -7

    SO
    1-0

    SO=+1

    Net Goal Differential -13

  11. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HITCHCOCK ERA:
    Oiler Goal Share after 20 games (10-8-2)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 23-17 (58%)
    McDavid Off Ice 18-26 (41%)
    Net EV -2

    Special Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against):
    12-11
    Net ST +1

    Empty Net:
    3-7
    Net EN -4

    SO
    1-0
    SO=+1

    Net Goal Differential -4

  12. LMHF#1 says:

    Two things that are highly annoying and keep getting mentioned in the MSM:

    1 – That Klefbom….andRussell (snuck in like it means something but you know saying it will get you smacked…yet every MSM member does it) have been out while the Oilers are losing. They miss Klefbom a whole ton. Talk about that. Adding in Russell as if he’s equal makes this conversation ridiculous and is yet another example of them pumping those tires.

    2 – Comparing the records of the 2 coaches as if their time has been equal. Again – one has suffered his only bad stretch without his best defenceman…if that’s not noted then then conversation around records is dishonest.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    They’ll send Jones down instead of scratching Manning.

    They are paying him over $2M for the next year and a half after all. ugh

    EDM is only running a 22 man roster right now.

    Chiasson can come back with no issues.

    If both he and Russell come back at the same time, then they need to clear a spot.

    My guess is Gambardella goes down.

    There is also a chance they trade Benning for picks by then.

  14. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy v2.0: EDM is only running a 22 man roster right now.

    Chiasson can come back with no issues.

    If both he and Russell come back at the same time, then they need to clear a spot.

    My guess is Gambardella goes down.

    There is also a chance they trade Benning for picks by then.

    I’m frustrated by Benning’s gaffes as much as the next guy but man replacing him with Manning is such a hilarious misstep and addresses the opposite of a need.

    Part of me wishes EDM was in last place so Chiarelli would be canned

  15. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Trading Benning to make room for Manning, the knee-jerk réaction trade. Man, that’s depressing.

  16. Soup Fascist says:

    Ben:
    This’ll be one of the more interesting deadlines in team history.

    1) There’s a decent chance the team will be adding three top-6 D off of IR before then.

    2) Jones is an unknown quantity, but he’s currently enjoying a varied lunch buffet

    3) That leaves Manning, Petrovic, Gravel, Benning in the 7-10 slots, with only Benning and Manning signed next year.

    4) My guess is they’ll remain “firmly” on the bubble on Feb 25.

    5) Talbot’s the biggest wildcard in terms of value to another bubble team.

    (Of course Sekera’s hard to predict, and other injuries will arise).

    I think the move would be to try to cash quantity for even a marginal upgrade in quality as soon as you get some bodies back. Something like Benning/Gravel/Kassian for a W.

    And yes, I’d trade Talbot now. I don’t think he’s shown near enough over the 3 years to warrant his current contract, let alone another.

    But I suspect we’ll see a “Gravel for a 5th” and that’ll be that.

    Stauffer certainly floating the trial balloon that Sekera may not be close to ready and will likely not be much of a contributor this year – if ever. I expect that we are going to hear about a setback soon.

    Also, is it just me or is Gravel significantly better than Manning or Petrovic? Coach doesn’t seem to be a fan based on deployment. What am I missing?

  17. BerkhamstedOil says:

    Admiral Ackbar,

    I think Petrovic would be the one taking Benning’s job. While he can fill in at 2RD, they probably have him at 3RD for the rest of the season, as I believe Russell was always going back to 2RD with Nurse. Believe Manning will cost us Gravel and push Jones back to Bakersfield. Feel bad for Gravel. Guess that ‘mean’ is with almost 2m a year in cap space.

  18. dustrock says:

    Ha ha ha Looch’s line, 9:12 of 5v5 time, shots 1-3.

    Outstanding.

  19. Admiral Ackbar says:

    BerkhamstedOil,

    ‘Mean’ but relatively useless otherwise. When will PC realize that it’s no longer 2011? The cap matters and the intangible ‘meanness’ is less relavent.

  20. Professor Q says:

    I really don’t want to trade Puljujärvi.

    Especially not to Philadelphia.

    Seeing them turn him into Voracek (always loved him on Halifax, thought he was underrated there and in Columbus) would just add even more illness to my favour of the Oilers.

  21. dustrock says:

    Great song title choice BTW LT.

    Love Neko.

  22. v4ance says:

    Someone wondered aloud in yesterday’s thread about not understanding Chiarelli’s recent player transactions.

    My thoughts are that there is no longer a long term plan in Chiarelli’s head. He’s just focused on short term fixes just trying to save his job for one more day, one more week, one more month.

    That’s why he waived Zykov and then one game later, traded Caggiula after the player had another horrific game. If he had a long term plan, he would have kept Zykov and traded Cags knowing he had a forward ready to step in.

    Also, if he had a long term plan, he wouldn’t have picked up Manning with one more year after this one on his terrible contract. Long term planning would require the GM to account for cap considerations going forward. At this point, Chiarelli felt he needed to plug a hole, cap management be damned.

  23. McSorley33 says:

    Manning-Benning went 4-10 in 10:40, 2-4 shots, no goals and 0-4 HDSC.
    *************************************************************************************
    Against the Coyotes….

    Manning over Gravel?

    I don’t get it – at all.

  24. tileguy says:

    Ben,

    I guess before you trade Talbot we have to ink Miko to a new contract. Is he worth the 4M that Talbot makes?

  25. Dicky94 says:

    I have a feeling a trade involving Benning and some other pieces for a forward is coming before Saturday. No way they send Jones back down. He is looking better and better every game.

  26. who says:

    Ben:
    This’ll be one of the more interesting deadlines in team history.

    1) There’s a decent chance the team will be adding three top-6 D off of IR before then.

    2) Jones is an unknown quantity, but he’s currently enjoying a varied lunch buffet

    3) That leaves Manning, Petrovic, Gravel, Benning in the 7-10 slots, with only Benning and Manning signed next year.

    4) My guess is they’ll remain “firmly” on the bubble on Feb 25.

    5) Talbot’s the biggest wildcard in terms of value to another bubble team.

    (Of course Sekera’s hard to predict, and other injuries will arise).

    I think the move would be to try to cash quantity for even a marginal upgrade in quality as soon as you get some bodies back. Something like Benning/Gravel/Kassian for a W.

    And yes, I’d trade Talbot now. I don’t think he’s shown near enough over the 3 years to warrant his current contract, let alone another.

    But I suspect we’ll see a “Gravel for a 5th” and that’ll be that.

    Interesting post.
    Very good summation of the position the Oilers will probably be in at the deadline.
    Here’s what I would do between now and the deadline.
    1. Trade 2 of those 7-10 dmen, preferably Manning and Benning, for draft picks. It will probably end up being Petrovic and Gravel because they are cheaper and on expiring contracts. Everytime I think about the Manning trade I just shake my head. Chia is bad at math!
    2. Trade Talbot for picks or a prospect. If he can raise his level of play in the next month this shouldn’t be hard to do. Yes, it’s a risk if something happens to Koskinen, but a) this team is not a cup contender, and b) we are not resigning Talbot
    3) Dangle Kassian, Rieder and Chiasson at the deadline. Spooner too, but I doubt there are any takers.
    Of course Chia won’t do any of this, because his job depends on making the playoffs. Which is why he should be fired immediately! Before he does any more damage.
    The Manning trade is proof that he can always make things worse. Adding a 2.25 million dollar cap hit for next year, for a 7D, shows that Chia is willing to mortgage the future. HE HAS TO GO!

  27. Pescador says:

    Professor Q:
    I really don’t want to trade Puljujärvi.

    Especially not to Philadelphia.

    Seeing them turn him into Voracek (always loved him on Halifax, thought he was underrated there and in Columbus) would just add even more illness to my favour of the Oilers.

    They won’t trade him, he will continue to improve incrementally and the goals will come
    because talent.
    Chiarelli will be fired, I already promised myself

  28. Pescador says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    They’ll send Jones down instead of scratching Manning.

    They are paying him over $2M for the next year and a half after all. ugh

    Jones back in the AHL is not a bad thing. He is still young & developing.
    In Bakersfield he plays top pairing & on the PP.
    Edit: Manning is bad,

  29. JimmyV1965 says:

    v4ance:
    Posters here keep referring to the article from 7 months ago describing the Red wine Summits.I would like to point out that it was written by Marc Spector who is known to be a mouthpiece for certain factions within the organization.He’s always written with an agenda slanting his articles with butt licking praise or back stabbing venom.

    I just was reading an article on Vox.com about Benjamin Netanyhu and his pending cases of corruption and fraud.It stated that one of his tactics for staying in power was that he started slinging mud at his opponents to try divert attention from his own missteps.Buying positive media attention for himself and inciting negative media for his enemies (illegally) is how he’s stayed in the PM’s chair for years.

    Looking at the timing of the story on the Red Wine Summits, it’s not coincidental that it came out when some of the MSM were starting to question Chiarelli’s tenure.With the fire lit under his chair, someone leaked the info that led to the hit piece on the OBC.I’m not saying that the meddling of the retired players is right but the buck stops at Chiarelli’s door since he IS the General Manager and President of Hockey Operations.He should have been more focused on doing a better job constructing a team and spending less time making machiavellian moves with his pet reporter.

    Funny that. I just heard Spector rip into Chia on Stauffer’s show last week. And didn’t he get the boot from the TV broadcasts for doing the same thing last year?

  30. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    thank u for doing these

    v4ance:

    Posters here keep referring to the article from 7 months ago describing the Red wine Summits. I would like to point out that it was written by Marc Spector who is known to be a mouthpiece for certain factions within the organization. He’s always written with an agenda slanting his articles with butt licking praise or back stabbing venom.

    Well, yeah.

    These messages still have their value, though, you just have to use that lens to look at it through. They still tell us things we wouldn’t know to that extent without them. We even get to find out that someone on Chiarelli/McLellan’s side of the divide though it necessary to pull the trigger on a leak like that.

  31. Pescador says:

    Dicky94:
    I have a feeling a trade involving Benning and some other pieces for a forward is coming before Saturday. No way they send Jones back down. He is looking better and better every game.

    Chiarelli likely decided he was trading Benning before he acquired Manning

  32. Pescador says:

    Soup Fascist: Stauffer certainly floating the trial balloon that Sekera may not be close to ready and will likely not be much of a contributor this year – if ever.I expect that we are going to hear about a setback soon.

    Also, is it just me or is Gravel significantly better than Manning or Petrovic?Coach doesn’t seem to be a fan based on deployment. What am I missing?

    Gravel is a left shot Petrovic
    Team was tanking, Goalies couldn’t stop a beach ball, there was almost zero defensive help coming from the forwards, injuries were being measured by calculator.
    The fallout: Caggulia fired into the sun, Gravel in the press box despite being one of the 6 best healthy D.

  33. Paulie says:

    v4ance:
    Someone wondered aloud in yesterday’s threadabout not understanding Chiarelli’s recent player transactions.

    My thoughts are that there is no longer a long term plan in Chiarelli’s head.He’s just focused on short term fixes just trying to save his job for one more day, one more week, one more month.

    That’s why he waived Zykov and then one game later, traded Caggiula after the player had another horrific game.If he had a long term plan, he would have kept Zykov and traded Cags knowing he had a forward ready to step in.

    Also, if he had a long term plan, he wouldn’t have picked up Manning with one more year after this one on his terrible contract.Long term planning would require the GM to account for cap considerations going forward.At this point, Chiarelli felt he needed to plug a hole, cap management be damned.

    He has to do everything he can to save his job because it’s the last GM gig he’ll ever have. I can’t imagine any organization that would hire him. He took a magic ticket and pissed everything away.

  34. McSorley33 says:

    LD Depth:

    Klefbom
    Sekera
    Nurse
    Jones
    Gravel ( $700k)
    Manning

    Now, if you want to remove Sekera or put him lower that is fine.

    I am honestly just trying to understand what the organization is wanting/ picturing with
    Brandon Manning. Not trying to beat a dead horse.

    I hate doing this – because it has been the excuse for the last decade for every bad trade – but
    is it possible they have other moves planned ahead of the Manning deal?

  35. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers = 10th place in the West and closer to 11th than 9th place.

    Flames = 1st place in the West and closer to winning the Cup than Oilers in their wildest dreams.

  36. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: Interesting post.
    Very good summation of the position the Oilers will probably be in at the deadline.
    Here’s what I would do between now and the deadline.
    1. Trade 2 of those 7-10 dmen, preferably Manning and Benning, for draft picks. It will probably end up being Petrovic and Gravel because they are cheaper and on expiring contracts. Everytime I think about the Manning trade I just shake my head. Chia is bad at math!
    2. Trade Talbot for picks or a prospect.If he can raise his level of play in the next month this shouldn’t be hard to do. Yes, it’s a risk if something happens to Koskinen, but a) this team is not a cup contender, and b) we are not resigning Talbot
    3) Dangle Kassian, Rieder and Chiasson at the deadline. Spooner too,but I doubt there are any takers.
    Of course Chia won’t do any of this, because his job depends on making the playoffs. Which is why he should be fired immediately! Before he does any more damage.
    The Manning trade is proof that he can always make things worse. Adding a 2.25 million dollar cap hit for next year, for a 7D, shows that Chia is willing to mortgage the future. HE HAS TO GO!

    We need to trade Talbot for a player we can use today.

  37. hunter1909 says:

    If Flames wins the cup Katz is going to look like a putz.

  38. Dicky94 says:

    hunter1909,

    You mean he doesn’t already?

  39. jtblack says:

    LT was one of the first voices I heard questioning JP’s offensive ceiling (2 yrs ago ish).

    LT was one of the first voices who questioned how effective Sekera could be this season.

    2019: We are still unsure of what JP is and How much Offense he can deliver.

    We are hearing rumblings that Sekera has had a major setback??

  40. who says:

    JimmyV1965: We need to trade Talbot for a player we can use today.

    I’d be more interested in an entry level player with upside.
    If your #1 goal is to make the playoffs, than yeah, you want an established player back.
    I just don’t think Talbot can get you a good enough player. Not one that will make a significant difference to this years team.
    It’s all about next year for me. Doubling down on this years team makes no sense to me. Although Chia is already doing it.

  41. Rube Foster says:

    v4ance:
    Someone wondered aloud in yesterday’s threadabout not understanding Chiarelli’s recent player transactions.

    My thoughts are that there is no longer a long term plan in Chiarelli’s head.He’s just focused on short term fixes just trying to save his job for one more day, one more week, one more month.

    That’s why he waived Zykov and then one game later, traded Caggiula after the player had another horrific game.If he had a long term plan, he would have kept Zykov and traded Cags knowing he had a forward ready to step in.

    Also, if he had a long term plan, he wouldn’t have picked up Manning with one more year after this one on his terrible contract.Long term planning would require the GM to account for cap considerations going forward.At this point, Chiarelli felt he needed to plug a hole, cap management be damned.

    Agreed.

    There is no long term plan in Chiarelli Town other than make the Playoffs this year.

    It’s the only way to save his job. I will add that he must know that his future job prospects around the league will not look good after what he’s done with McDavid’s Oilers.

    As LT explained to us all upon Pete’s arrival. The Chiarelli narrative was about a gutsy GM Who was willing to make big deals giving up talent and was willing to go up against the cap if it meant adding pieces that would win a Stanley Cup.

    Well, we got exactly what LT said we’d be getting. But this time, three years into Chiarelli’s build, The wheels have fallen off his Lucic, his 25 minute a night stud first pair dman is playing for the Chicago Wolves in the AHL, and he turned our scoring right winger into… well I promised Glovjuice I’d lay off Spooner for a while.

    The only thing he seems to have delivered on is the creating of Cap Chaos.

    Peter has lost the plan and this year has been making reactive knee jerk decisions with what appears to be very little forethought or coordination.

    I believe that Peter Chiarelli came to the Oilers with a clear plan and vision that he began to execute. I think we can all agree that The Chiarelli Plan is broken, perhaps beyond repair. He is clearly functioning in a mode lacking forethought and coordination, others less charitable might call it desperation.

    My Question of the day, is Peter Chiarelli the GM we want taking the Oilers forward towards the Trade Deadline? Does anyone around these parts trust him to make any deals, large or small?

    As my friend in Airdrie said to me “you know the Flames fan all laugh about the Hall Trade in Calgary”. My response was, “yeah, we do too”.

  42. McSorley33 says:

    Interesting to hear what Boston fans thinks of PC….

    “Peter Chiarelli’s ineptness is being seen in the 30 other NHL markets. He’s the butt of every hockey joke in the Boston market, and radio personalities in Boston are begging Don Sweeney to call Chiarelli so they can “Be on the other side of a deal with that clown for once.”

    https://thesportsdaily.com/2019/01/03/joke-of-a-franchise-thats-what-they-are/

  43. Dicky94 says:

    Rube Foster,

    We’re the laughingstock of the league. If you can’t beat them join them in the laughter. Our day will come soon. It has to right?

  44. slopitch says:

    Speaking of philly, anyone know what happened to ghost? I like the idea of trading with teams who are struggling. You never know when they are gonna start blaming the erong thing. JP is a non starter though.

    I dont hate the idea of benning for a pick.

    Just fire chai before any more moves.

  45. Neumann says:

    Lots of hate for Manning this AM. Two games deep into his career with the Oilers. You can be mad at PC for all his short comings but the team is 1-1 since he added 26+15. 0-5 before that with the D missing 77+4. I’ll give it a few more weeks before getting all bent out of shape about his future and then implications of next years cap.

  46. Pescador says:

    Seravalli with a scathing review of Evan Bouchard on the Lowdown.
    I thought Dobson ate his lunch during the tournament in a big big way..
    Unfortunately I saw a lot of Justin Schultz in Bouchards game. Luckily EB is a much much better passer on the attack.
    Hopefully the Oilers can offer Bouchard the same type of sheltered minutes that Schultz received in Pitts.

  47. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Neumann:
    Lots of hate for Manning this AM. Two games deep into his career with the Oilers. You can be mad at PC for all his short comings but the team is 1-1 since he added 26+15. 0-5 before that with the D missing 77+4. I’ll give it a few more weeks before getting all bent out of shape about his future and then implications of next years cap.

    On pace for 41-41 with Manning, 0-82 in 5 games preceding.

  48. McNuge93 says:

    who: Interesting post.
    Very good summation of the position the Oilers will probably be in at the deadline.
    Here’s what I would do between now and the deadline.
    1. Trade 2 of those 7-10 dmen, preferably Manning and Benning, for draft picks. It will probably end up being Petrovic and Gravel because they are cheaper and on expiring contracts. Everytime I think about the Manning trade I just shake my head. Chia is bad at math!
    2. Trade Talbot for picks or a prospect.If he can raise his level of play in the next month this shouldn’t be hard to do. Yes, it’s a risk if something happens to Koskinen, but a) this team is not a cup contender, and b) we are not resigning Talbot
    3) Dangle Kassian, Rieder and Chiasson at the deadline. Spooner too,but I doubt there are any takers.
    Of course Chia won’t do any of this, because his job depends on making the playoffs. Which is why he should be fired immediately! Before he does any more damage.
    The Manning trade is proof that he can always make things worse. Adding a 2.25 million dollar cap hit for next year, for a 7D, shows that Chia is willing to mortgage the future. HE HAS TO GO!

    Generally agree with your plan except I would try to sign Chiasson if a reasonable deal can be made. I know he is outperforming his history and limited sample size but we are so thin on the wing. If Kassian can’t be traded then buy him out in the summer.

  49. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    McSorley33:
    LD Depth:

    Klefbom
    Sekera
    Nurse
    Jones
    Gravel ( $700k)
    Manning

    Now, if you want to remove Sekera or put him lower that is fine.

    I am honestly just trying to understand what the organization is wanting/ picturing with
    Brandon Manning. Not trying to beat a dead horse.

    I hate doing this – because it has been the excuse for the last decade for every bad trade – but
    is it possible they have other moves planned ahead of the Manning deal?

    Technically speaking you could add Russell in there too…

  50. --hudson-- says:

    Last we heard on Sekera is he just had a baby and still needs to pass a few milestones before being cleared to play. I think it was Hitchcock who said he only has the endurance for 20-25 second shifts now, don’t know how long that takes to get up to a minute.

    Doesn’t sound like a setback to me.

  51. McNuge93 says:

    Pescador:
    Seravalli with a scathing review of Evan Bouchard on the Lowdown.
    I thought Dobson ate his lunch during the tournament in a big big way..
    Unfortunately I saw a lot of Justin Schultz in Bouchards game. Luckily EB is a much much better passer on the attack.
    Hopefully the Oilers can offer Bouchard the same type of sheltered minutes that Schultz received in Pitts.

    Hopefully next summer there won’t be a huge push to start him in the NHL. We should have one or both of Jones and Bear pushing to make the team.

  52. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    If you want to do something really terrifying, go to the Oilers website and look at the past rosters. Those teams (2010-2015) were terrible, but they had way, way, way more depth up front than this team. Just look at their goal totals. How many players on those aweful teams would likely be stars on this roster? Teddy Purcell would be a godsend. Anton Lander would be Jere Lehtenen on this team. Derek Roy had 11 goals in half a season. And the incomparable Mark Arcobello would be the guy who you put on a line to get it going. And don’t tell me that our defence is way better now, because it’s a mess too. This roster is not even close to a solid bet for the playoffs!! And Chia will set us even further back if he starts trading the future to squeak in and save his job. He has to go now!! There is no reason at all for him to be in the driver’s seat at the trade deadline.

  53. HugThePost says:

    Pescador:
    Seravalli with a scathing review of Evan Bouchard on the Lowdown.
    I thought Dobson ate his lunch during the tournament in a big big way..
    Unfortunately I saw a lot of Justin Schultz in Bouchards game. Luckily EB is a much much better passer on the attack.
    Hopefully the Oilers can offer Bouchard the same type of sheltered minutes that Schultz received in Pitts.

    And hopefully EB does not arrive here in the fall to expectations that he is the next Pronger, fail to live up to them and then become the civic whipping boy for all frustrated Oiler fans and management types

  54. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Some posters have suggested trying Kassian on the first line for quite a while.
    This experiment has crossed my mind a few times as well.
    It finally happened last night. He seemed engaged and effective in complementing 29-97.
    Question for interested posters (and I would love to hear LT’s thoughts!!): would you keep him there for a few more games and put Chiasson somewhere else to complement another line to see how 29-97-44 “works”, particularly against the bigger California teams??
    Thanks…

  55. Chris says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Some posters have suggested trying Kassian on the first line for quite a while.
    This experiment has crossed my mind a few times as well.
    It finally happened last night. He seemed engaged and effective in complementing 29-97.
    Question for interested posters (and I would love to hear LT’s thoughts!!): would you keep him there for a few more games and put Chiasson somewhere else to complement another line to see how 29-97-44 “works”, particularly against the bigger California teams??
    Thanks…

    I was thinking the same to be honest.

  56. Shane says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Some posters have suggested trying Kassian on the first line for quite a while.
    This experiment has crossed my mind a few times as well.
    It finally happened last night. He seemed engaged and effective in complementing 29-97.
    Question for interested posters (and I would love to hear LT’s thoughts!!): would you keep him there for a few more games and put Chiasson somewhere else to complement another line to see how 29-97-44 “works”, particularly against the bigger California teams??
    Thanks…

    Yes! Kassian seems like the type of guy that gets motivated(and unmotivated) by who he’s playing with and against. Chiasson was a little over his head on the top line 5×5 but great on the PP.

    I’d see if Kass can keep it up for awhile. He’s never really been given a chance that high up in the lineup.

  57. Wilde says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:

    If you want to do something really terrifying, go to the Oilers website and look at the past rosters. Those teams (2010-2015) were terrible, but they had way, way, way more depth up front than this team. Just look at their goal totals. How many players on those aweful teams would likely be stars on this roster? Teddy Purcell would be a godsend. Anton Lander would be Jere Lehtenen on this team. Derek Roy had 11 goals in half a season. And the incomparable Mark Arcobello would be the guy who you put on a line to get it going. And don’t tell me that our defence is way better now, because it’s a mess too. This roster is not even close to a solid bet for the playoffs!! And Chia will set us even further back if he starts trading the future to squeak in and save his job. He has to go now!! There is no reason at all for him to be in the driver’s seat at the trade deadline.

    Regular Oilers forwards, 5v5 P/60:

    2007-2008

    Glencross (small-ish sample) – 2.99

    Horcoff – 2.42

    Nilsson – 2.40

    Cogliano – 2.30

    Hemsky – 2.24

    Gagner – 1.99

    Brodziak – 1.98

    Sanderson – 1.67

    Pisani – 1.49

    Stortini – 1.37

    Penner – 1.31

    Reasoner – 1.29

    2014-2015

    Eberle – 1.98

    Pouliot – 1.93

    Hall – 1.91

    Nuge – 1.91

    Perron – 1.72

    Lander – 1.49

    Roy – 1.48

    Yakupov – 1.19

    Purcell – 1.11

    Fraser – 1.07

    Draisaitl – 1.05

    Arcobello – 1.03

    2018-2019

    McDavid – 3.00

    Draisaitl – 2.81

    Nugent-Hopkins – 1.91

    Chiasson – 1.86

    Khaira – 1.82

    Rattie – 1.42

    Rieder – 1.00

    Puljujärvi – 0.89

    Brodziak – 0.74

    Lucic – 0.66

    Kassian – 0.58

  58. Jordan says:

    I’m going to fix the Oilers.

    Are you ready?

    The Oilers trade Milan Lucic, Darnell Nurse, Kailer Yamamoto, Brandon Manning 2019 1st (lottery protected), 2019 2nd (conditional), 2020 1st (lottery protected) 2020 2nd (conditional)
    to
    the Senators for Mark Stone, Matt Duchene, 2019 3rd(conditional), 2020 3rd (conditional)

    Conditions:
    If the Oilers re-sign Mark Stone for 2 years or longer, they give up their 2nd round pick in 2019
    If the Oilers re-sign Matt Duchene for 2 years or longer, they give up their 2nd round pick in 2020
    If the Senators re-sign Mark Stone for 2 years or longer, they give up their 3rd round pick in 2019
    If the Senators re-sign Matt Duchene for 2 years or longer, they give up their 3rd round pick in 2020
    If the Oilers 1st in 2019 wins the lottery, the Senators will receive the Oilers 1st in 2021 and the Oilers 3rd in 2019.
    If the Oilers 1st in 2020 wins the lottery, the Senators will receive the Oilers 1st in 2022 and the Oilers 3rd in 2020.

    This gives the Oilers the forward depth to compete for a playoff spot this year, and sends enough salary back off the cap to allow the Oilers to take on their two tickets, and rids themselves of a really bad contract..

    This gives the senators some picks in compensation for their best forwards, a top 4 d-man, and a player who won’t be paid as much as his cap hit, who can help mentor and lead a very young and developing Senators team.

    Will it happen? Probably not.

    Is this a deal that helps both teams?

    You bet.

  59. Wilde says:

    Pescador:

    Seravalli with a scathing review of Evan Bouchard on the Lowdown.

    I typically have time for Seravalli, so although I’m not accusing you of embellishing his take I sincerely hope he didn’t actually say anything to this effect.

  60. Wilde says:

    Jordan,

    Ottawa says no imo

  61. HugThePost says:

    Wilde: Regular Oilers forwards, 5v5 P/60:

    2007-2008

    Glencross (small-ish sample) – 2.99

    Horcoff – 2.42

    Nilsson – 2.40

    Cogliano – 2.30

    Hemsky – 2.24

    Gagner – 1.99

    Brodziak – 1.98

    Sanderson – 1.67

    Pisani – 1.49

    Stortini – 1.37

    Penner – 1.31

    Reasoner – 1.29

    2014-2015

    Eberle – 1.98

    Pouliot – 1.93

    Hall – 1.91

    Nuge – 1.91

    Perron – 1.72

    Lander – 1.49

    Roy – 1.48

    Yakupov – 1.19

    Purcell – 1.11

    Fraser – 1.07

    Draisaitl – 1.05

    Arcobello – 1.03

    2018-2019

    McDavid – 3.00

    Draisaitl – 2.81

    Nugent-Hopkins – 1.91

    Chiasson – 1.86

    Khaira – 1.82

    Rattie – 1.42

    Rieder – 1.00

    Puljujärvi – 0.89

    Brodziak – 0.74

    Lucic – 0.66

    Kassian – 0.58

    Holy shit this is depressing

  62. Pescador says:

    McNuge93: Hopefully next summer there won’t be a huge push to start him in the NHL. We should have one or both of Jones and Bear pushing to make the team.

    Alas, this is the Oilers we are talking about.
    As for the fans, I’ve already read posts on this site about how Bouchard might be a good fit on the second pairing.
    Yeah so there’s that.
    Throw them to the wolves & then Boo them out of town.

  63. Pescador says:

    Wilde: I typically have time for Seravalli, so although I’m not accusing you of embellishing his take I sincerely hope he didn’t actually say anything to this effect.

    Tsn.ca /1260 podcast
    Second hour,
    I don’t know when it will be up but you should give it a listen & let me know what you think.
    For the record the only thing I ever embellish is my shoe size
    It’s an 11

  64. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    I am procrastinating 2019, so…gedanken

    29-97-44
    16-93-98
    22-23-39
    27/45-28-8/45

    56 back to marinate in Bakersfield

    82-6 (a little cray for the kid, but he is holding his own so far…)
    25-4/15
    4/5/26-15/83

    Then when OK comes back, make a decision for movements in the D

  65. who says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Some posters have suggested trying Kassian on the first line for quite a while.
    This experiment has crossed my mind a few times as well.
    It finally happened last night. He seemed engaged and effective in complementing 29-97.
    Question for interested posters (and I would love to hear LT’s thoughts!!): would you keep him there for a few more games and put Chiasson somewhere else to complement another line to see how 29-97-44 “works”, particularly against the bigger California teams??
    Thanks…

    Yes. But I doubt it happens.
    I have always said that Kassian has the talent (foot speed, hands, puck protection) to play higher up the lineup as a complimentary player. But he never really has been given the opportunity.
    I still prefer Rattie there though. Kassian is more physical and much better at protecting the puck down low, but Rattie has better hands, better shot, and just thinks the game better offensively. There has to be something there that the coaches don’t like? But I just don’t see it.

  66. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Manning is a prototypical old school reaction to losing. Our players are a bunch of wussies, so we lose. go get goons that can’t play hockey much and that’ll fix it. Turns out Lucic stepped right into it as well.

  67. who says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    I am procrastinating 2019, so…gedanken

    29-97-44
    16-93-98
    22-23-39
    27/45-28-8/45

    56 back to marinate in Bakersfield

    82-6 (a little cray for the kid, but he is holding his own so far…)
    25-4
    5/26-5/83

    Then when OK comes back, make a decision for movements in the D

    Like your forward lines. Khaira with Nuge and JP is a must, which means Spooner at center. He does have a pair of responsible wingers though.
    Not sure about your d pairings.

  68. knighttown says:

    Not much use complaining about the Manning trade anymore so we are where we are. And where we are is “blessed” with a bunch of interchangeable parts at the bottom of the roster. If we’ve got depth let’s get back to the start of the season where players are rotated in and out based on individual performance rather than this old fashioned notion of “we won so we keep the same 18 skaters for back-to-backs”.

    Chiasson is back in for Gambardella, that’s easy enough.

    On defense if Russell is back than the “sitting” options are probably Manning, Benning or Jones if they felt the kid could use a breather. I don’t see 6-25-4-15 sitting unless Petrovic starts to struggle.

    I’d guess Manning stays in versus the Kings and Benning gets the game versus the craftier Ducks.

  69. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    who,

    Thanks. Had a typo on D (now fixed with corrected post)…but not certain on these pairings either myself! Basically, the team needs to figure out who on D is staying and who is going and since they have paid full price to get the current roster they should experiment a bit with the “bottom 3”

    25-4/15
    4/5/26-15/83

  70. Alpine says:

    Would anyone trade Puljujarvi for Jack Roslovic? He’s a RHC who’s buried in the Jets lineup but has put up impressive EV number. He only has 8 pts in 38 games this year but with little ice time (only 7 mins on average).

    Roslovic is 18 months older so he’s further along and closer to getting it than Jesse, who I remain a huge supporter of. Lack of TOI suggests the Jets might flip him although they are a very deep team up front. I wonder if they might be in interested in Jesse thinking they can put him on Laine’s line to be the latter’s defensive/playmaking foil.

    A think a Puljujarvi trade has to be like the Strome/Schmaltz deal because we need to get a player back who can potentially be a value contract. Roslovic (or others) is a good candidate to give you value on a bridge contract.

  71. knighttown says:

    I’d keep Kass at 1RW for the next game.

    Chiasson is like finding $50 on the sidewalk to me. You put it in your pocket and move on rather than walking that sidewalk everyday for the next year. He’s shooting 32%. You don’t fall in love with this player. He could score 15 more goals or he could score 3.

    For now he’s earned the spot on PP1 (although I LOVED that pass from Rattie to Drai on the PP that should have been a goal) but I wouldn’t promise him anything specific at evens and in fact I’d play him down the lineup for a bit so he can get his legs.

    Especially since 97/29 have been scorching for the past two weeks.

  72. CapeBretonOilers says:

    could they have traded for manning in anticpation of some “toughness” being traded out ie Kassian — is he being “showcased ” just a thought from the lurker section

  73. Primetime says:

    Wilde:
    Jordan,

    Ottawa says no imo

    So does Lucic and his NMC. Non starter.

  74. dustrock says:

    Pescador:
    Seravalli with a scathing review of Evan Bouchard on the Lowdown.
    I thought Dobson ate his lunch during the tournament in a big big way..
    Unfortunately I saw a lot of Justin Schultz in Bouchards game. Luckily EB is a much much better passer on the attack.
    Hopefully the Oilers can offer Bouchard the same type of sheltered minutes that Schultz received in Pitts.

    Bouchard flattered to deceive but I didn’t think Smith, Bouchard or Dobson looked outstanding.

    And having guys like Bouchard and Smith on a PP that wasn’t great I point more to the coaches and the short-term nature of the tournament more than anything else.

    Bouchard’s knock has been skating and his lack of “compete” in the DZ. The goal against by Russia looked worse than it actually was for Bouchard but it certainly looked damning as far as his “give a shit” meter goes.

    I had several guys I preferred to draft over him but I see for sure why the Oilers coveted him. He’s a great transition passer and I think he’ll be good on the PP.

    He’s also, I think, a player who does some small things right that aren’t flashy and won’t get you noticed at the WJHC but will get you noticed at training camp in the fall.

    We’ll see if he’s got that fire to become a top pairing guy, but my fear was that he’s going to be another Cody Franson.

    A good, serviceable NHL defenceman who can help on the PP, but isn’t a top pairing guy.

  75. Primetime says:

    Shane:

    I’d see if Kass can keep it up for awhile. He’s never really been given a chance that high up in the lineup.

    maybe not on this team, but he played significant time with the Sedins in Vancouver. I thought he was effective to start on that line as well. Problem was, he couldn’t keep it going…

  76. knighttown says:

    Assessing Bouchard is going to be very interesting for those of us that feel like they have a bit of a scouting eye.

    You see that feature on TSN on his passing…it’s like…ok, that was a bit effusive. “It’s like he’s watching the game from above”. Is that just the narrative or is there something there? It’s a bit like the Draisaitl’s backhand passing. There’s zero chance that many people noticed that one micro-skill and decided to comment on it. More likely, a few people noticed it and it was parroted everywhere. It became the narrative. (Don’t get me wrong, I acknowledge he can pass on the backhand, I just see it about 10th on the list of what makes Drai a stud).

    So I can’t really “see” his vision as generational (meaning I can’t see it to my untrained eye) but even if I acknowledge that there’s something there, is that enough to offset what I CAN see?

    Because I see the Jultz comparisons too. Straight legged and seemingly slow to react. If he has otherworldly vision why does he seem to get a “late jump on the ball”? He seems to be not only be NOT physical, he seems to be completely unwilling to engage. Chris Pronger certainly didn’t have that. Nick Lidstrom, sure. Was Larry Murphy like this?

    Can you think of one modern (current) NHL defenseman that is sluggish and not at all physical but plays top pairing?

    I don’t have any regrets at this point. Wahlstrom hasn’t blown up and I see Dobson as a bit more of your typical toolsy defenseman.

    Bouchard could be special or he could…really not be.

  77. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Some posters have suggested trying Kassian on the first line for quite a while.
    This experiment has crossed my mind a few times as well.
    It finally happened last night. He seemed engaged and effective in complementing 29-97.
    Question for interested posters (and I would love to hear LT’s thoughts!!): would you keep him there for a few more games and put Chiasson somewhere else to complement another line to see how 29-97-44 “works”, particularly against the bigger California teams??
    Thanks…

    Yes please. I like Kassian’s ability to contribute to cycling the puck. Quick skater, big and mean, tenacious along the boards. With 29-97, I want to see the puck stay in the O-zone as long as possible. Kassian can help with this.

  78. dustrock says:

    Yes, put Kassian on the top line for 5 games and then trade him.

  79. Lowetide says:

    Ryan McLeod dealt to Saginaw.

  80. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    HugThePost: Holy shit this is depressing

    If we didn’t have McDavid, this team would likely be the worst edition of the Oilers EVER!!!

    The major complaint with Tambellini’MacT was that they wouldn’t do anything bold to fix the roster (ie; use the forward depth to fix the defence). Under Chiarelli, we have absolutely no depth anywhere on the roster anymore. I’ll qualify that by saying the farm system is better now, but unless I’m rooting for OKC, I really don’t see an excuse for the job he’s done.

  81. Alpine says:

    knighttown,

    He almost won the game by harassing their forward enough to cause a turnover and a breakaway chance for himself. Small, small sample but I don’t think he’s a lost cause on the compete front. Jultz himself won the Cup as a top four D.

  82. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    dustrock:
    Yes, put Kassian on the top line for 5 games and then trade him.

    If he is part of the package for someone like Ehlers (say Nurse, Kass/other, prospect/pick), I would not at all be opposed. A top line of Kassian, McDavid and Ehlers with Leon at 2C would be very nice though. Some D are going out at some point, too much bubbling up there not to harvest a bit pretty soon.

  83. Pescador says:

    dustrock:
    Yes, put Kassian on the top line for 5 games and then trade him.

    Dustrock for mayor

  84. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan McLeod dealt to Saginaw.

    Don’t really follow junior hockey, is this a good thing for Ryan?

  85. Glass says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Would love some input on this as well. Wondering if he can expect to get 1st line minutes or slots in as a 2C.

  86. Leroy Draisdale says:

    McNuge93: Hopefully next summer there won’t be a huge push to start him in the NHL. We should have one or both of Jones and Bear pushing to make the team.

    +1000

  87. dustrock says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Don’t really follow junior hockey, is this a good thing for Ryan?

    Gets to play with Bode Wilde.

    Saginaw is doing better than Missisauga, yeah. They were pretty mediocre.

  88. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jordan:
    I’m going to fix the Oilers.

    Are you ready?

    The Oilers trade Milan Lucic, Darnell Nurse, Kailer Yamamoto, Brandon Manning 2019 1st (lottery protected), 2019 2nd (conditional), 2020 1st (lottery protected) 2020 2nd (conditional)
    to
    the Senators for Mark Stone, Matt Duchene, 2019 3rd(conditional), 2020 3rd (conditional)

    Conditions:
    If the Oilers re-sign Mark Stone for 2 years or longer, they give up their 2nd round pick in 2019
    If the Oilers re-sign Matt Duchene for 2 years or longer, they give up their 2nd round pick in 2020
    If the Senators re-sign Mark Stone for 2 years or longer, they give up their 3rd round pick in 2019
    If the Senators re-sign Matt Duchene for 2 years or longer, they give up their 3rd round pick in 2020
    If the Oilers 1st in 2019 wins the lottery, the Senators will receive the Oilers 1st in 2021 and the Oilers 3rd in 2019.
    If the Oilers 1st in 2020 wins the lottery, the Senators will receive the Oilers 1st in 2022 and the Oilers 3rd in 2020.

    This gives the Oilers the forward depth to compete for a playoff spot this year, and sends enough salary back off the cap to allow the Oilers to take on their two tickets, and rids themselves of a really bad contract..

    This gives the senators some picks in compensation for their best forwards, a top 4 d-man, and a player who won’t be paid as much as his cap hit, who can help mentor and lead a very young and developing Senators team.

    Will it happen?Probably not.

    Is this a deal that helps both teams?

    You bet.

    To me that reads:

    – two young players that are first round draft picks
    – 2 first round picks one at least higher in the order
    – 2 draft picks that have a decent chance of being NHL players

    for:

    – 26 YO whose best season in the last 3 is 62pts (and seems to be having growing injury issues)

    – 28 YO whose best season in the last 3 is 59 pts

    2 picks with low odds of playing in the NHL

    Dumping 2 contracts, 1 which eats cap but has been fairly GF neutral, 1 stupid

    Seems like a heavy overpay and an absolute team gutter in the next few years. Trading away 4 first round picks for 2 decent but not elite players and 2 low odds picks is what got us here in the first place.

  89. dustrock says:

    Pescador: Dustrock for mayor

    I’m much too short to be mayor but thank you.

  90. PennersPancakes says:

    Scungilli Slushy: 2 decent but not elite players

    I think the assessment of this trade really depends on how much you watch Stone and Duchene play.

    Stones best season in the last 3 was 62 points… in 58 games, all while being elite defensively for a winger. Career wise is 0.84ppg.

    Duchene 59 points last year in a full 82 games but also split between two teams, I think his last couple seasons in Colorado unfairly soured opinion on him. Career wise is 0.75ppg

    Both players are also over PPG on an extremely weird Senators team this year as well. These guys are very very good hockey players

  91. Jordan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: To me that reads:

    – two young players that are first round draft picks
    – 2 first round picks one at least higher in the order
    – 2 draft picks that have a decent chance of being NHL players

    for:

    – 26 YO whose best season in the last 3 is 62pts (and seems to be having growing injury issues)

    – 28 YO whose best season in the last 3 is 59 pts

    2 picks with low odds of playing in the NHL

    Dumping 2 contracts, 1 which eats cap but has been fairly GF neutral, 1 stupid

    Seems like a heavy overpay and an absolute team gutter in the next few years. Trading away 4 first round picks for 2 decent but not elite players and 2 low odds picks is what got us here in the first place.

    This is not meant to be giant win for the Oilers. Nor is it a highly favouring the Senators. Both teams take risks with this particular deal. But, in my opinion, it checks off a lot of boxes for both teams.

    Primetime: So does Lucic and his NMC.Non starter.

    Milan may say no. But based on what we heard over the summer, I think he would have to consider it. The Oilers won’t buy him out. So… part of the question is how long until his poor play makes playing in the Edmonton fishbowl untenable. Ottawa might not be a lot better. But I’d bet its more than a little bit better. Edmontonians are passionate hockey fans, and that means they can and do mob up. I think that is likely weighing on him more and more.

    If he and his family wanted to move in the Summer, do you think that feeling would be stronger or weaker in the middle of January?

    Wilde:
    Jordan,

    Ottawa says no imo

    I think that Ottawa needs to get some kind of win from those two expiring contracts. I don’t think they stay there. So, if they can’t get a deal done, do you think there’s a better deal out there for Ottawa? I don’t.

  92. jtblack says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan McLeod dealt to Saginaw.

    Looks like the Haul the other way was

    3 — 3rd rounders
    1 – 2nd rounder
    1- Conditional pick
    1 prospect

  93. Jordan says:

    Drai – MCD – Chia
    Nuge – Duche – Stone
    Toby – JJ – Rattie
    Spoons – Brodz – Kassian

    Jesse / Gambo to bakersfiled

    Jones / Larsson
    Russell / Petro
    Gravel / Benning

    This lineup has 5 top 6 forwards, pushes the other forwards down to appropriate levels of competition, and can likely score as well as the other Playoff-bound teams in the west.

    They lose a lot of defensive depth, but it’s depth they can afford to lose, as long as Klefbom isn’t significantly delayed from his projected return in early Feb. If Seksy can come back before the end of the season, that helps too.

  94. Jordan says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Jason Gregor is stealing your shit about depth scoring Woodguy. Reporting on the total goals scored outside the top 4 scorers.

    Hope he’s a least buying you drinks. =)

  95. Professor Q says:

    Jordan:
    I’m going to fix the Oilers.

    Are you ready?

    The Oilers trade Milan Lucic, Darnell Nurse, Kailer Yamamoto, Brandon Manning 2019 1st (lottery protected), 2019 2nd (conditional), 2020 1st (lottery protected) 2020 2nd (conditional)
    to
    the Senators for Mark Stone, Matt Duchene, 2019 3rd(conditional), 2020 3rd (conditional)

    Conditions:
    If the Oilers re-sign Mark Stone for 2 years or longer, they give up their 2nd round pick in 2019
    If the Oilers re-sign Matt Duchene for 2 years or longer, they give up their 2nd round pick in 2020
    If the Senators re-sign Mark Stone for 2 years or longer, they give up their 3rd round pick in 2019
    If the Senators re-sign Matt Duchene for 2 years or longer, they give up their 3rd round pick in 2020
    If the Oilers 1st in 2019 wins the lottery, the Senators will receive the Oilers 1st in 2021 and the Oilers 3rd in 2019.
    If the Oilers 1st in 2020 wins the lottery, the Senators will receive the Oilers 1st in 2022 and the Oilers 3rd in 2020.

    This gives the Oilers the forward depth to compete for a playoff spot this year, and sends enough salary back off the cap to allow the Oilers to take on their two tickets, and rids themselves of a really bad contract..

    This gives the senators some picks in compensation for their best forwards, a top 4 d-man, and a player who won’t be paid as much as his cap hit, who can help mentor and lead a very young and developing Senators team.

    Will it happen?Probably not.

    Is this a deal that helps both teams?

    You bet.

    I don’t think forward depth means what you think it means.

    This would devastate Edmonton for years.

  96. ArmchairGM says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Don’t really follow junior hockey, is this a good thing for Ryan?

    He instantly becomes their best center.

    http://ontariohockeyleague.com/stats/team_players/63/34

  97. Professor Q says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Don’t really follow junior hockey, is this a good thing for Ryan?

    Yeah, it could be. Saginaw doesn’t really have superstars (though they do have Cole Coskey, Bode Wilde, and Brady Gilmour) but they are 3rd in the West.

    I am ether going to watch next Tuesday’s game vs. Guelph, or Friday’s game against Saginaw, with my brother. Likely Guelph, so I’ll at least see Samokurov, but it would be interesting to see one of his first games here.

  98. --hudson-- says:

    Jordan:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Jason Gregor is stealing your shit about depth scoring Woodguy.Reporting on the total goals scored outside the top 4 scorers.

    Hope he’s a least buying you drinks. =)

    Too bad this wasn’t common knowledge 4 or 5 years ago!

    Joe Gambardella is on the AHL all star team.
    https://theahl.com/rosters-2019-ahl-all-star-classic

  99. Professor Q says:

    Pescador:
    Seravalli with a scathing review of Evan Bouchard on the Lowdown.
    I thought Dobson ate his lunch during the tournament in a big big way..
    Unfortunately I saw a lot of Justin Schultz in Bouchards game. Luckily EB is a much much better passer on the attack.
    Hopefully the Oilers can offer Bouchard the same type of sheltered minutes that Schultz received in Pitts.

    Considering that Dobson was fairly unimpressive and that Bouchard received acclaim from many other media, then I do suppose Seravelli would indeed be guilty of having a “Hot Take”.

  100. RonnieB says:

    I am not one of the fans who are anxious to trade Matt Benning, but it is starting to look inevitable. With that in mind i was looking at Toronto as a potential trade partner.
    The Leafs have been looking for an RHD forever and seem unwilling to meet Carolina’s price.
    Andersen is a top notch goalie when healthy, but the Leafs might want some insurance for their playoff run.
    The Leafs lost a lot of “beef” in the form of Martin and Komarov.
    The Leafs have a ton of RFAs and UFAs this summer…Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson, Gardiner, Hainsey, etc. It looks like they will have around $26 million in Cap room, with Matthews & Marner likely to eat around $20 million combined.

    Oilers potential trade assets of interest to Toronto: Benning, Talbot, Kassian, others.
    Potential targets on the Leafs: Kapanen, Johnsson, ??? possibly others i don’t know much about.

    It would seem possible to structure some form of win-win trade here.

    Ideas ?

  101. geowal says:

    McSorley33:
    Interesting to hear what Boston fans thinks of PC….

    “Peter Chiarelli’s ineptness is being seen in the 30 other NHL markets. He’s the butt of every hockey joke in the Boston market, and radio personalities in Boston are begging Don Sweeney to call Chiarelli so they can “Be on the other side of a deal with that clown for once.”

    https://thesportsdaily.com/2019/01/03/joke-of-a-franchise-thats-what-they-are/

    I remember when Sweeney was hired, and Neely, thinking those dolt Bruins had really screwed up hiring their own OBC, all the while being a bit nervous about Chia’s track record with Seguin and the cap. And having a good laugh at Bostons 3 straight 1st rounders. Then we (or rather Gary), got up to the podium….
    Man.

  102. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q: I don’t think forward depth means what you think it means.

    This would devastate Edmonton for years.

    A few ways to skin this cat, Prof. Is depth having a number of prospects in many systems/leagues each graduating in a timely manner to the big team, thus negating the need for trades? Or is it having enough competent NHL players to cover injury/suspension? Could it be both? And what use is depth if you never use it? Does the philosophy of “Just enough, just in time” come in to it, because no player likes to be held back from fulfilling their potential because “depth”?

  103. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q: Considering that Dobson was fairly unimpressive and that Bouchard received acclaim from many other media, then I do suppose Seravelli would indeed be guilty of having a “Hot Take”.

    Yeah, Canada was doomed the minute they decided not to take the best team possible.

  104. Scungilli Slushy says:

    PennersPancakes: I think the assessment of this trade really depends on how much you watch Stone and Duchene play.

    Stones best season in the last 3 was 62 points… in 58 games, all while being elite defensively for a winger. Career wise is 0.84ppg.

    Duchene 59 points last year in a full 82 games but also split between two teams, I think his last couple seasons in Colorado unfairly soured opinion on him. Career wise is 0.75ppg

    Both players are also over PPG on an extremely weird Senators team this year as well. These guys are very very good hockey players

    I agree they’re good, for me 4 first round picks has to bring back elite. And given the system would again take a depth hit like the one they are ju st emerging from because of trading picks away, that Duchene is heading out of prime and Stone is at his peak, in 3 years when the 2 are fading off there would be no one to replace them.

    Different strokes. I’d trade Nurse for Ehlers or Kapanen this summer though.

  105. HenryDrix says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I’m frustrated by Benning’s gaffes as much as the next guy but man replacing him with Manning is such a hilarious misstep and addresses the opposite of a need.

    Part of me wishes EDM was in last place so Chiarelli would be canned

    Manning looks better than Benning to me. Different style for sure. I like the nastiness of Manning. I’m not sold on either though.

  106. Ryan says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Yes please. I like Kassian’s ability to contribute to cycling the puck. Quick skater, big and mean, tenacious along the boards. With 29-97, I want to see the puck stay in the O-zone as long as possible. Kassian can help with this.

    Yes, you have been a pioneer championing Kassian on the top line for awhile now.

    Must have been fun to see finally last night.

    Kassian can skate, retrieve pucks and pass. But he can’t shoot anymore. Feet for hands as LT said.

    Chiasson can shoot, pass a little, but can’t skate.

    Pick your poison.

    I used to question the sanity of Kassian or Khaira whom I like, on the top line.

    With the list of available wingers, there’s not much to recommend one vs the other.

    This year Khaira’s actually one of our best forwards outside of the big three.

  107. Jordan says:

    Professor Q: I don’t think forward depth means what you think it means.

    This would devastate Edmonton for years.

    That’s definitely a risk, especially if the Oilers can’t re-sign one or both of Duchene or Stone.

    But, if LT is correct in his read that Katz has said Playoffs or pink slips, this deal brings in good players who may be willing to sign here. They’ve both played in smaller Canadian markets, they both know what that’s like, and they both have shown interest in winning. Could be a fit.

    Get good players, keep good players. If we need those good players now, I’d rather them take these guys than go out and get more grinders like Simmonds, or over the hill guys like Williams or Spezza.

    I could get on board with someone like Nyquist in Detroit, but he’s not as good, and I’m not sure who would be going the other way.

    If we’re all wrong, and Katz is okay with the current roster if it means we keep our draft picks and prospects, then sure, don’t make the trade. I’m okay with that.

    But if they are under orders… I’d swing for the fences in a deal structured like this one.

  108. who says:

    RonnieB:
    I am not one of the fans who are anxious to trade Matt Benning, but it is starting to look inevitable. With that in mind i was looking at Toronto as a potential trade partner.
    The Leafs have been looking for an RHD forever and seem unwilling to meet Carolina’s price.
    Andersen is a top notch goalie when healthy, but the Leafs might want some insurance for their playoff run.
    The Leafs lost a lot of “beef” in the form of Martin and Komarov.
    The Leafs have a ton of RFAs and UFAs this summer…Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson, Gardiner, Hainsey, etc. It looks like they will have around $26 million in Cap room, with Matthews & Marner likely to eat around $20 million combined.

    Oilers potential trade assets of interest to Toronto: Benning, Talbot, Kassian, others.
    Potential targets on the Leafs: Kapanen, Johnsson, ??? possibly others i don’t know much about.

    It would seem possible to structure some form of win-win trade here.

    Ideas ?

    Toronto probably already has 3 better righty dmen than Benning. I think a lot of people here over estimate his trade value. If they could get a 2nd rounder and dump his contract I would be happy.

  109. Ryan says:

    who: Toronto probably already has 3 better righty dmen than Benning. I think a lot of people here over estimate his trade value. If they could get a 2nd rounder and dump his contract I would be happy.

    Fair enough, but Zaitzef and Hainsey are both left shot d playing on the right IIRC.

    People also think Kassian has trade value too.

    He has 4 points in 37 games for a shade under $2 million.

    If the Oilers buyout Kassian this summer, this could be it.

    Next year, he’ll get at least a PTO, but that might be the end of the road. Bad teams end NHL careers for end of the roster players as LT often mentions.

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ryan: Yes, you have been a pioneer championing Kassian on the top line for awhile now.

    Must have been fun to see finally last night.

    Kassian can skate, retrieve pucks and pass. But he can’t shoot anymore. Feet for hands as LT said.

    Chiasson can shoot, pass a little, but can’t skate.

    Pick your poison.

    I used to question the sanity of Kassian or Khaira whom I like, on the top line.

    With the list of available wingers, there’s not much to recommend one vs the other.

    This year Khaira’s actually one of our best forwards outside of the big three.

    I’m ok with Kassian with McDavid, doing what Lucic was supposed to do, create a distraction for the D and keeping O zone time going. I think Chiasson is to unquick for it. He’s on a heater but does little else than look for setups essentially leaving Connor and the other playing short handed. M

    Kassian can keep up and forecheck because he’s fast enough, the other two can do the skill part. If Kassian could start scoring he could get a Tom Wilson type raise or the Oilers could get some value in a trade.

    I expect erratic play will bump Kass down soon enough as usual.

    There is a reason Chiasson has trouble getting a job. While he’s hot ok, but long run employing players nobody else wants probably doesn’t lead to a contending roster. One day they’ll figure that out. Or hire scouts /GM that can spot players doing well that aren’t being valued properly.

    To me more than a high scorer they need a few more Khairas, 200 foot players that can pot a few and remain affordable. As Hitch says it’s the bottom half bleeding out that is killing them, not the top half.

    As the D gets healthy and replaced with more skill over time as in Jones, the offense will improve.

  111. Ryan says:

    PennersPancakes: I think the assessment of this trade really depends on how much you watch Stone and Duchene play.

    Stones best season in the last 3 was 62 points… in 58 games, all while being elite defensively for a winger. Career wise is 0.84ppg.

    Duchene 59 points last year in a full 82 games but also split between two teams, I think his last couple seasons in Colorado unfairly soured opinion on him. Career wise is 0.75ppg

    Both players are also over PPG on an extremely weird Senators team this year as well. These guys are very very good hockey players

    If I’m reading the wall of text correctly, it would be a crazy idea to begin with.

    What if those guys don’t re-sign and we give up 2 1st round picks to try and make a playoff appearance with this roster.

    I’m getting out Lucic’s contract along with Manning’s would both be a plus, but…

  112. RonnieB says:

    who: Toronto probably already has 3 better righty dmen than Benning. I think a lot of people here over estimate his trade value. If they could get a 2nd rounder and dump his contract I would be happy.

    I’m very curious who you consider those 3 better RHD are.
    Cap Friendly shows them with 3 RHD on the roster.
    Zaitzev who has 3 assists to show for 39 games;
    Hainsey who is 37 and is UFA this summer.
    Holl who at age 26 has 4 games of NHL experience.

  113. Wilde says:

    Scungilli Slushy: 2 decent but not elite players

    You don’t have Stone as elite?

    He’s unambiguously there for me. Kucherov, Rantanen, and then him. Wheeler’s in the range but he’s older.

    This is like, undoing the Hall and Eberle trades for Edmonton.

    Except Duchene’s better than Eberle.

    It’s adding to the top of the deck, I don’t believe those first rounders land in the top 24 selections of the draft, to be honest. This trade would make Edmonton obscene up front.

    I think the only catch would be contract status, honestly. In terms of player value the Oilers get a guy who’s worth Nurse + Yamamoto + 1st alone, plus Matt Duchene.

    The Oilers would go from having 4 impact players to 6, while dumping Lucic while retaining Jones, Bouchard, Bear, etc.

    That’d be almost five top-line producers (Nuge is 96th in 5v5 p/60)

    Probably a 10-point swing in the standings over a full season, maybe more.

    Alpine,

    Roslovic is one of the more interesting targets anyone’s mentioned. That’s a good one.

    I like him a ton, that’s tough.

    HugThePost: Holy shit this is depressing

    I think it’s hilarious. One of the more simple and succinct sets of data to help educate the decision about retaining the general manager..

    RonnieB,

    I think TOR probably likes Benning, but not Kassian.

    Talbot’s really conditional. I think it’d be a good move for them if we retained, though this will be Dubas’ first time seriously buying at the deadline.

    Doubt they lose someone like Kapanen or Johnsson. It’d almost certainly be the type of trade we would make if we were buying, farm and picks.

  114. tileguy says:

    dustrock: I’m much too short to be mayor but thank you.

    Buy a big truck then.

  115. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Friends,

    Is there a website somewhere that tracks how often a team faces backup goaltenders?

    It seems as if the Canucks face a lot of backup net minders, but without digging through each game is there a simple site that highlights this?

  116. Bank Shot says:

    Professor Q:
    I really don’t want to trade Puljujärvi.

    Especially not to Philadelphia.

    Seeing them turn him into Voracek (always loved him on Halifax, thought he was underrated there and in Columbus) would just add even more illness to my favour of the Oilers.

    Voracek scored 38 points in the NHL at 19. We are probably safe there.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    They’ll send Jones down instead of scratching Manning.

    They are paying him over $2M for the next year and a half after all. ugh

    Given they only currently have 22 on the roster, the Oilers will only have to make one assignment in order to activate both Russell and Chiasson – one would think that sending Joe G. back to the Condors would be the oubvious choice but I believe that will leave the team with zero extra forwards. Its a somewhat egregious result but I think it might be Kevin Gravel heading back to the AHL (they won’t be waiting Manning or Benning).

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Westchester Oil:
    If Manning sits when Russell comes back – and he probably should – that puts an exclamation mark on the stupidity of that trade. If you squint really hard, you can see a tiny bit of rationale for Chiarelli’s other shitty trades, as bad as they have been. The Manning trade, however, cannot be justified in any scenario – it’s just flushing away valuable cap space for next year.

    I’m glad the losing streak is over but I’m still mega-depressed about the trade.

    Hitchock lauded the two d-men acquisition after the game last night and even used the words “thank god” in connection with them being acquired.

    Could be lip service though.

  119. Wilde says:

    Professor Q:

    Considering that Dobson was fairly unimpressive and that Bouchard received acclaim from many other media, then I do suppose Seravelli would indeed be guilty of having a “Hot Take”.

    All due respect to Frank and the work he does.

    I listened to it just now, it was more of a common/cold take of just talking about his lack of intensity, which I’ve heard a ton of and can’t care about.

    (Plus talking about his inability to get the puck through on the PP)

    Bouchard wasn’t even my guy, but those two I can’t care about. It comes with the package.

    The only thing I’m going to be concerned about is if his hockey IQ and vision translate to his game away from the puck in his own zone.

    I think the toughness/intensity part of stopping cycles and denying zone entries is one of the least important factors in getting the job done in that area. It’s skating, stick and body positioning and reads. Think Leon Draisaitl. How many times do guys take the puck from him 1-on-1 because of how mean they are?

  120. dustrock says:

    Wilde,

    Agreed with everything re the Ottawa trade. That’s a dream scenario for Edmonton, no possible way it happens.

    I also will second (third?) the Rosolovic hard target, I had my eye on him with the USNTDP team. Not a bad pick.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    LMHF#1:
    Two things that are highly annoying and keep getting mentioned in the MSM:

    1 – That Klefbom….andRussell (snuck in like it means something but you know saying it will get you smacked…yet every MSM member does it) have been out while the Oilers are losing. They miss Klefbom a whole ton. Talk about that. Adding in Russell as if he’s equal makes this conversation ridiculous and is yet another example of them pumping those tires.

    Of course Russell’s value to the team isn’t on the same level as Klefbom, however, losing Russell and replacing him with a lesser d-man (and requiring each incumbent to “move up a spot” in addition to adding the lesser player in to the lineup) absolutely makes the team worse.

    Its just like losing a guy like Tobias Rieder doesn’t hurt as much as losing McDavid but replacing Rieder with a guy like Patrick Russell (and having an incumbent bottom 6 guy move up to replace Rieder’s middle 6 minutes) makes the team worse.

    To lose the two d-man in one game absolutely is a huge thing and Russell should definitely be mentioned.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    Ben,

    I guess before you trade Talbot we have to ink Miko to a new contract. Is he worth the 4M that Talbot makes?

    I don’t believe this process to be a necessity – neither Talbot nor Koskinen are signed next year.

    At this point, I don’t believe that Talbot would re-sign with the Oilers (without seeing the off-season market for himself).

  123. v4ance says:

    JimmyV1965,

    He’s always written with an agenda slanting his articles with butt licking praise or back stabbing venom.

    He’s just piling on now that everyone else is too. If he didn’t it’d make him look like he’s totally out of touch with reality. He definitely wasn’t one of the first to highlight Chiarelli’s errors but he could one of the last to join the chorus.

    “There go my people: I have to go and run and catch up because I am their leader.”

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    I have a feeling a trade involving Benning and some other pieces for a forward is coming before Saturday. No way they send Jones back down. He is looking better and better every game.

    I think that Gravel is the odd-man out at this point.

    I think they are looking for Manning to provide a physical element on the third pairing (which he does bring) even though it seems that Gravel is the better player (at least this year) as far as defending and moving the puck out (which seem like more important skills to me).

  125. Bulging Twine says:

    OriginalPouzar: Given they only currently have 22 on the roster, the Oilers will only have to make one assignment in order to activate both Russell and Chiasson – one would think that sending Joe G. back to the Condors would be the oubvious choice but I believe that will leave the team with zero extra forwards. Its a somewhat egregious result but I think it might be Kevin Gravel heading back to the AHL (they won’t be waiting Manning or Benning).

    When is Yamamoto due back

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Interesting post.
    Very good summation of the position the Oilers will probably be in at the deadline.
    Here’s what I would do between now and the deadline.
    1. Trade 2 of those 7-10 dmen, preferably Manning and Benning, for draft picks. It will probably end up being Petrovic and Gravel because they are cheaper and on expiring contracts. Everytime I think about the Manning trade I just shake my head. Chia is bad at math!
    2. Trade Talbot for picks or a prospect.If he can raise his level of play in the next month this shouldn’t be hard to do. Yes, it’s a risk if something happens to Koskinen, but a) this team is not a cup contender, and b) we are not resigning Talbot
    3) Dangle Kassian, Rieder and Chiasson at the deadline. Spooner too,but I doubt there are any takers.
    Of course Chia won’t do any of this, because his job depends on making the playoffs. Which is why he should be fired immediately! Before he does any more damage.
    The Manning trade is proof that he can always make things worse. Adding a 2.25 million dollar cap hit for next year, for a 7D, shows that Chia is willing to mortgage the future. HE HAS TO GO!

    The above process surmises that the Oilers are out of contention for a playoff spot whereas, in reality, even after ending a long losing streak, they are a mere four points out with a game in hand.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    McNuge93: Hopefully next summer there won’t be a huge push to start him in the NHL. We should have one or both of Jones and Bear pushing to make the team.

    Jones, Lagesson, Bouchard, Bear, Berglund and Persson – all four should have legit shots at proving they are NHL ready at camp next season.

    Jones has pretty much already proven it (subject to his play not dropping off).

    They should very much have the luxury of not forcing Bouchard to the NHL and giving him some AHL development time (in my opinion, this should be the plan as the first 85% of training camp has proven to be absolutely meaningless as far as proving NHL readiness – see Ryan McLeod, Kailer Yamamoto, etc.).

    The issue is that none of those d-men should be played above the 3rd pairing (even though Jones is already doing so) and, really, only Jones and Bouchard really project to developing in to top 4 d-men.

    Of course, we all know that its almost a certainty that Bouchard breaks camp with the team in October subject to a full upper management overhaul.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Some posters have suggested trying Kassian on the first line for quite a while.
    This experiment has crossed my mind a few times as well.
    It finally happened last night. He seemed engaged and effective in complementing 29-97.
    Question for interested posters (and I would love to hear LT’s thoughts!!): would you keep him there for a few more games and put Chiasson somewhere else to complement another line to see how 29-97-44 “works”, particularly against the bigger California teams??
    Thanks…

    Coach expressed after the game last night that, with Chiasson likely back on Saturday, he has options for that line. I inferred that Chiasson will be on the top line.

    Personally, I don’t like Chiasson or Kassian on the top line and, of all the current options, would prefer Rattie (or Puljujarvi) there.

    To me, Kassian does not fit on that first line – yes, he “is fast” but, to me, speed isn’t the primary determinator of playing with McDavid, its offensive hockey IQ and the ability to make effective plays with the puck – this is something that Kassian simply does not have – he has poor offensive IQ and he simply doesn’t have good puck skills. Guys like Maroon, Rattie and even Drai having success with McDavid shows that hockey IQ, moreso that straight speed, is the key to success with McDavid.

    Last night, I thought Kassian was poor on the top line for the first period and it contributed to the entire team getting caved for the period.

    He was much better in the 2nd but even his assist was a risky play – yes, a nice little look, however, he flew the zone early and was lucky that Drai made a strong play on the boards at the blue line to get the puck out.

  129. digger50 says:

    knighttown:
    Assessing Bouchard is going to be very interesting for those of us that feel like they have a bit of a scouting eye.

    You see that feature on TSN on his passing…it’s like…ok, that was a bit effusive.“It’s like he’s watching the game from above”.Is that just the narrative or is there something there?It’s a bit like the Draisaitl’s backhand passing.There’s zero chance that many people noticed that one micro-skill and decided to comment on it.More likely, a few people noticed it and it was parroted everywhere.It became the narrative.(Don’t get me wrong, I acknowledge he can pass on the backhand, I just see it about 10th on the list of what makes Drai a stud).

    So I can’t really “see” his vision as generational (meaning I can’t see it to my untrained eye) but even if I acknowledge that there’s something there, is that enough to offset what I CAN see?

    Because I see the Jultz comparisons too.Straight legged and seemingly slow to react.If he has otherworldly vision why does he seem to get a “late jump on the ball”?He seems to be not only be NOT physical, he seems to be completely unwilling to engage.Chris Pronger certainly didn’t have that.Nick Lidstrom, sure.Was Larry Murphy like this?

    Can you think of one modern (current) NHL defenseman that is sluggish and not at all physical but plays top pairing?

    I don’t have any regrets at this point.Wahlstrom hasn’t blown up and I see Dobson as a bit more of your typical toolsy defenseman.

    Bouchard could be special or he could…really not be.

    I’m worried about Bouchard. It was great feedback he received from Tim Hunter but still…..I think the NHL forwards may eat him up. And the Edmonton market will want him too early and be really hard on him for his soft play.

    If we are parting with a top prospect for a player like Ehlers, Bouchard May be top of the white board.

    If we keep him and I think they will, his IQ and puck moving absolutely must make up for his lack of tenacity.

  130. treevojo says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    He was much better in the 2nd but even his assist was a risky play – yes, a nice little look, however, he flew the zone early and was lucky that Drai made a strong play on the boards at the blue line to get the puck out.

    How do you know that wasn’t a set play?

  131. digger50 says:

    Wilde: All due respect to Frank and the work he does.

    I listened to it just now, it was more of a common/cold take of just talking about his lack of intensity, which I’ve heard a ton of and can’t care about.

    (Plus talking about his inability to get the puck through on the PP)

    Bouchard wasn’t even my guy, but those two I can’t care about. It comes with the package.

    The only thing I’m going to be concerned about is if his hockey IQ and vision translate to his game away from the puck in his own zone.

    I think the toughness/intensity part of stopping cycles and denying zone entries is one of the least important factors in getting the job done in that area. It’s skating, stick and body positioning and reads. Think Leon Draisaitl. How many times do guys take the puck from him 1-on-1 because of how mean they are?

    I hope it is enough. It is enough for Patterson.

    Still, Bouchard has zero chance of taking the puck away from Drai and I would like it if he at least had a chance.

  132. digger50 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Some posters have suggested trying Kassian on the first line for quite a while.
    This experiment has crossed my mind a few times as well.
    It finally happened last night. He seemed engaged and effective in complementing 29-97.
    Question for interested posters (and I would love to hear LT’s thoughts!!): would you keep him there for a few more games and put Chiasson somewhere else to complement another line to see how 29-97-44 “works”, particularly against the bigger California teams??
    Thanks…

    I really enjoyed seeing Kassian up on that line, he has worked hard for that opportunity. Really he is filling the Chaisson slot which was the Maroon (27) goals slot. Although I like it I can’t see it lasting. Nor would I have Chaisson there, only because the scoring needs to be spread out.

    Rattie will be a point per game player if he stays with Connor and Leon. He would joint Chaisson as the other successful winger.

    Better yet, Nuge. Connor and Rattie will produce goals.

    While. Khaira. Drai. Chaisson will also produce goals.

    That leaves a scamble for two more lines but that’s where we are at.

  133. Oz says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OP I thought it was more like Kassian found open ice to receive a pass and then followed up with a very good pass

  134. who says:

    RonnieB: I’m very curious who you consider those 3 better RHD are.
    Cap Friendly shows them with 3 RHD on the roster.
    Zaitzev who has 3 assists to show for 39 games;
    Hainsey who is 37 and is UFA this summer.
    Holl who at age 26 has 4 games of NHL experience.

    Zaitzev shoots right. So does the other Russian (can’t remember his name. Completely forgot about Holl. And they have Liligren in the minors. Plus Hainsey seems to be able to handle right side, even if he’s a lefty.
    How many of these guys would Benning slot above on the depth chart?

  135. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: The above process surmises that the Oilers are out of contention for a playoff spot whereas, in reality, even after ending a long losing streak, they are a mere four points out with a game in hand.

    </blockquote

    That process recognizes that the Oilers shouldn't fall into the trap of pulling out all the stops just to scrape into the playoffs.
    You cannot make this team a cup contender this year! Or next year! The sooner management realizes this the quicker they will be able to build a perennial contender.
    Every year they sell out to make the playoffs just delays when the true window to contend will open.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: Yeah, it could be. Saginaw doesn’t really have superstars (though they do have Cole Coskey, Bode Wilde, and Brady Gilmour) but they are 3rd in the West.

    I am ether going to watch next Tuesday’s game vs. Guelph, or Friday’s game against Saginaw, with my brother. Likely Guelph, so I’ll at least see Samokurov, but it would be interesting to see one of his first games here.

    Hopefully Samorukov will be back in the lineup after winning gold at the World Juniors.

    I’m hoping he’s named a tournament all-star – so far, so good.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine: When is Yamamoto due back

    I’m not sure when he’ll be back in the lineup but he’s taking up a roster spot, he’s not on IR.

  138. JimmyV1965 says:

    knighttown:
    Assessing Bouchard is going to be very interesting for those of us that feel like they have a bit of a scouting eye.

    You see that feature on TSN on his passing…it’s like…ok, that was a bit effusive.“It’s like he’s watching the game from above”.Is that just the narrative or is there something there?It’s a bit like the Draisaitl’s backhand passing.There’s zero chance that many people noticed that one micro-skill and decided to comment on it.More likely, a few people noticed it and it was parroted everywhere.It became the narrative.(Don’t get me wrong, I acknowledge he can pass on the backhand, I just see it about 10th on the list of what makes Drai a stud).

    So I can’t really “see” his vision as generational (meaning I can’t see it to my untrained eye) but even if I acknowledge that there’s something there, is that enough to offset what I CAN see?

    Because I see the Jultz comparisons too.Straight legged and seemingly slow to react.If he has otherworldly vision why does he seem to get a “late jump on the ball”?He seems to be not only be NOT physical, he seems to be completely unwilling to engage.Chris Pronger certainly didn’t have that.Nick Lidstrom, sure.Was Larry Murphy like this?

    Can you think of one modern (current) NHL defenseman that is sluggish and not at all physical but plays top pairing?

    I don’t have any regrets at this point.Wahlstrom hasn’t blown up and I see Dobson as a bit more of your typical toolsy defenseman.

    Bouchard could be special or he could…really not be.

    I know this wasn’t your main topic, but I would say passing is Drai’s greatest skill. He has many many skills, including a great one timer, but he has to be one of the best passers in the league. No one is really talking it up, but that spin-a-Rama blind pass to Kassian last night was a thing of beauty.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    treevojo: How do you know that wasn’t a set play?

    I don’t but how do I know that any play made on the ice wasn’t a set play including those that backfire and lead to scoring chances and goals against?

    Set play or not, I stand by my position that it was a risky fly of the zone with a 50/50 battle inside our blueline.

  140. Zelepukin says:

    Scungilli Slushy: This year Khaira’s actually one of our best forwards outside of the big three.

    I think he is easily our 4th best forward. Big, strong, can skate and handle the puck. A much smarter, calmer player this year too. Capable of playing up and down the lineup. The type of player I could see putting up good numbers if he is actually given adequate offensive line mates for more than 1 or 2 shifts, let alone games. If you wanted to get in on the Chia trade fleecing, you’d be targeting Khaira.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oz:
    OriginalPouzar,

    OP I thought it was more like Kassian found open ice to receive a pass and thenfollowed up with a very good pass

    He did but that doesn’t change the fact that he flew the zone prior to the puck being in a position where it was highly likely it was going to leave the zone – sure, maybe he had confidence in Drai to win the battle (which he did) but it was a risk, that’s all I”m saying. If Leon loses that battle, the puck is going to our net with two forwards in the neutral zone.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    who:

    Whoa, I, in no way, are in favor of sending out future for immediate help (both now or at the deadline), however, at the same time, while the team remains legitimately in the hunt for a playoff spot, which they currently are, I am also not in favor of selling the depth that we do have.

  143. Bulging Twine says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Some posters have suggested trying Kassian on the first line for quite a while.
    This experiment has crossed my mind a few times as well.
    It finally happened last night. He seemed engaged and effective in complementing 29-97.
    Question for interested posters (and I would love to hear LT’s thoughts!!): would you keep him there for a few more games and put Chiasson somewhere else to complement another line to see how 29-97-44 “works”, particularly against the bigger California teams??
    Thanks…

    I like Chiasson on another line, didn’t love him on the top line, there were some signs of actually dragging that line down a little and I believe the stats bear that out. (whatever that means).
    Put Chiasson with RNH and maybe you have a second line that can score and play good D. Chiasson showed some early chemistry with Rieder, try him on the other side.
    Khaira has shown chemistry with Puljujarvi. Join them together on the the third line.
    If Rieder doesn’t work out on 2, move Khaira there and you have a good line with a hole on the third.

  144. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: Whoa, I, in no way, are in favor of sending out future for immediate help (both now or at the deadline), however, at the same time, while the team remains legitimately in the hunt for a playoff spot, which they currently are, I am also not in favor of selling the depth that we do have.

    I think it’s one or the other. Sitting on the fence just to get into the playoffs makes no sense to me. Just leaves the team in the mushy middle.

  145. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Petry lacked/lacks intensity and doesn’t hit. Just quietly goes about taking the puck back and moving it up ice.

    Seriously I prefer skill players to be economical with hitting because it leads to injury. Let the less skilled do the softening up.

    I’d prefer Larsson to tone it down and stay healthy. He’s so good at angling players off and gaining the biscuit without trying to also nail people. They have Manning around to ‘kill’ guys now.

  146. workaroundaccount says:

    slopitch:
    Speaking of philly, anyone know what happened to ghost? I like the idea of trading with teams who are struggling. You never know when they are gonna start blaming the erong thing. JP is a non starter though.

    I dont hate the idea of benning for a pick.

    Just fire chai before any more moves.

    I got him is round 10 of my pool, and was ecstatic. Why can’t I have nice things?

  147. drglen says:

    this was game 40… .. increidibly… we are hanging around. We could still make the playoffs, . long way to go.

    I would suggest cautiously still exploring that scoring winger market. Maybe the kings? (Toffoli.. Carter?) .

    Leave the puck moving D idea alone for the moment.. too expensive, bear and bouch on the way, jonesy here.. and I honestly think the D core can patch it together here.

    JP not going anywhere, people just blowing smoke. Hang tough. He’s close, and not hurting team. His D is quite good is it not.

    Think rental plus 1 to 2 years.

    What can we sell? Talbot, .. Benning, heck maybe Benning and Gravel. Please wait on Yammo, but I could see Marody.

    Anyway just throwing out some ideas… but I still think we should be cautious ‘buyers’..

    Lines… Like to see Rattie hang around on the top line, Kass get’s push if needed. Chaisson,.. could click with Rieder.

    Next two or three games will clarify a lot of things…. hope they win. It would be so nice if Spooner could figure something out… some good signs but …

  148. godot10 says:

    Can we trade Kris Russell for Michael Frolik?

  149. SVR says:

    OriginalPouzar: Given they only currently have 22 on the roster, the Oilers will only have to make one assignment in order to activate both Russell and Chiasson – one would think that sending Joe G. back to the Condors would be the oubvious choice but I believe that will leave the team with zero extra forwards. Its a somewhat egregious result but I think it might be Kevin Gravel heading back to the AHL (they won’t be waiting Manning or Benning).

    I believe Yama is still on active roster so they would have one extra when he is ready

  150. SVR says:

    OriginalPouzar: Given they only currently have 22 on the roster, the Oilers will only have to make one assignment in order to activate both Russell and Chiasson – one would think that sending Joe G. back to the Condors would be the oubvious choice but I believe that will leave the team with zero extra forwards. Its a somewhat egregious result but I think it might be Kevin Gravel heading back to the AHL (they won’t be waiting Manning or Benning).

    I believe Yama is still on active roster so they would have one extra when he is ready

  151. drglen says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Petry lacked/lacks intensity and doesn’t hit. Just quietly goes about taking the puck back and moving it up ice.

    Seriously I prefer skill players to be economical with hitting because it leads to injury. Let the less skilled do the softening up.

    I’d prefer Larsson to tone it down and stay healthy. He’s so good at angling players off and gaining the biscuit without trying to also nail people. They have Manning around to ‘kill’ guys now.

    he might. ( manning)… he might make folks think twice before cherry picking… might also take penalties. What I’m interested in is the passes and breakouts…

    Larrson seems to wear himself out. I think he should play exactly how he is… just a few less minutes, and this is what we saw last night.

  152. workaroundaccount says:

    OriginalPouzar: Whoa, I, in no way, are in favor of sending out future for immediate help (both now or at the deadline), however, at the same time, while the team remains legitimately in the hunt for a playoff spot, which they currently are, I am also not in favor of selling the depth that we do have.

    They are out though. Then need to go something like 25-13-4 to get to 95 points. Get whatever you can for the majority of players on this team. We don’t need 5 third pairing D and 9 4th liners.

  153. godot10 says:

    SVR: I believe Yama is still on active roster so they would have one extra when he is ready

    Yamamoto can be put on IR retroactively if he is still on the active roster.

  154. drglen says:

    godot10:
    Can we trade Kris Russell for Michael Frolik?

    Hmm… about the right price point and probalby contract status -wise. not a bad idea. He seems to be trending down… but I don’t know who you are going to find out there right now. We don’t usually trade with Calgary, except the Smyd deall. I’d think long and hard before moving Russell, but there will be a log jam. I think Russel is worth a little bit more than Frolik to a team. He would give them a real defenseman that one could actually put into a top four, in case of injury. Speaking of that. Russel is super tough, but is getting injured… It’s not a bad idea in my view I just wish if that were considered.. we got a little more pep coming back. But Frolik has a tendency to score big goals doesn’t he? ( or am I imagining that)

  155. drglen says:

    workaroundaccount: They are out though. Then need to go something like 25-13-4 to get to 95 points. Get whatever you can for the majority of players on this team. We don’t need 5 third pairing D and 9 4th liners.

    Maybe we don’t need 95 this year. For some reason we are still more or less standing and not completely dead… . Pacific is closer than we thought.. and I don’t see any of Van, Veg, SanJ, Ana, beating each other regularly. It will be close.

    But we still have to actually win games…. this is just 1 game. Man we are so wishful thinking, which is a good way to be mind you.. but.. let’s win some games.

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    Niagara was down 2-0 after 1 to London but scored 4 in the second including a goal and an assist (and 5 shots) by Maksimov.

  157. Material Elvis says:

    godot10:
    Can we trade Kris Russell for Michael Frolik?

    This is a great idea. Calgary might want a veteran defenseman for their playoff run. We need actual NHL forwards. Cap hit is so close. Is Russell’s extra year a deal breaker?

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine: I like Chiasson on another line, didn’t love him on the top line, there were some signs of actually dragging that line down a little and I believe the stats bear that out.(whatever that means).
    Put Chiasson with RNH and maybe you have a second line that can score and play good D.Chiasson showed some early chemistry with Rieder, try him on the other side.
    Khaira has shown chemistry with Puljujarvi.Join them together on the the third line.
    If Rieder doesn’t work out on 2, move Khaira there and you have a good line with a hole on the third.

    Chiasson’s original placement on the top line never ever made any sense to me.

    Chiasson went on a heater on the 2nd line and Hitchcock expressed that he needed to get him more minutes so placed him on the top line (which then scored zero goals at 5 on 5 for 4-5 games).

    Sure, finding more minutes for Chiasson made sense but I think we can all agree that a key to this team’s consistent success is scoring goals with McDavid off the ice and that was exactly what Chiasson was doing – I am still boggled that Hitchcock felt the need to mess with that.

  159. hunter1909 says:

    1 game win streak and now talk is of playoffs.

    1 game.

    Friendly suggestion: get back in actual 8th place and up Draisaitl is a terrible hockey player also and a cancer in the dressing room and worse than Lucic’s cap drag etc. Draisaitl is so terrible he’s in NHL top ten scoring.

    Another Oilers draft bust.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: I think it’s one or the other. Sitting on the fence just to get into the playoffs makes no sense to me. Just leaves the team in the mushy middle.

    Its January 3 – nothing to be decided now.

    I am definitely not in favor of, lets say, trading a 2nd rounder and Bear to rent Simmonds.

    At the same time, I’m also not in favor of trading away Rieder and Chiasson and other expiring contracts for futures, not at this time.

    Of course, if we could trade some of the overpaid players with term, sure, that’s a different story but that’s not “selling” that’s planning for the future.

  161. Pescador says:

    tileguy: Buy a big truck then.

    That’s actually a requisite for being the mayor of Sylvan lake
    It’s more of a monster truck rally than an election

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    SVR: I believe Yama is still on active roster so they would have one extra when he is ready

    Oh, yes, good point. I forgot we do have one extra forward.

    On your way Joseph…

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    workaroundaccount: They are out though. Then need to go something like 25-13-4 to get to 95 points. Get whatever you can for the majority of players on this team. We don’t need 5 third pairing D and 9 4th liners.

    They are 4 points out of a playoff spot with a game in hand. To me, they are right in the race.

  164. jtblack says:

    OP. How was your holiday?

  165. workaroundaccount says:

    drglen: Maybe we don’t need 95 this year.For some reason we are still more or less standing and not completely dead… . Pacific is closer than we thought.. and I don’t see any of Van, Veg, SanJ, Ana, beating each other regularly. It will be close.

    But we still have to actually win games…. this is just 1 game. Man we are so wishful thinking, which is a good way to be mind you.. but.. let’s win some games.

    We go through this every year. Would have only been 3 points out this time last year. And only about 3 points out at a similar time in 2017. Like it or not, the 95 pt rule is up there with death and taxes. http://dropyourgloves.com/Games/AnyDateStandings.aspx?League=1&Date=2018-01-03

  166. jtblack says:

    OILERS are same as they have been for 2.5 yrs.

    When Connor dominates, we win.

    If Connor is shut down. We Lose.

    Sometimes we lose when Connor gets 1,2 or 3 points.

    Its the Roller Coaster called “No Depth”

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen: Hmm… about the right price point and probalby contract status -wise. not a bad idea. He seems to be trending down… but I don’t know who you are going to find out there right now. We don’t usually trade with Calgary, except the Smyd deall. I’d think long and hard before moving Russell, but there will be a log jam.I think Russel is worth a little bit more than Frolik to a team.He would give them a real defenseman that one could actually put into a top four, in case of injury. Speaking of that. Russel is super tough, but is getting injured… It’s not a bad idea in my view I just wish if that were considered.. we got a little more pep coming back. But Frolik has a tendency to score big goals doesn’t he? ( or am I imagining that)

    While he’s played alot of second pairing, Kris Russell is a 3rd pairing d-man and, given the following ()mostly non-roster players all have legit shots to be 3rd pairing d-men next year, even though Russell is more established than all of them, the potential to move his $4M would have to be explored:

    Jones
    Sekera
    Bear
    Berglund
    Persson
    Laggesson
    Bouchard

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: ussell is a 3rd pairing d-man and, given the following ()mostly non-roster players all have legit shots to be 3rd pairing d-men next year, even though Russell is more established than all of them, the potential to move his $4M would have to be

    After a rocky start for the first two days (no bags for the first 48 hours (and on a boat in the middle of the Indian Ocean) and then full on crazy sea sickness for the second day – meds were in the bags we didn’t have), it became absolutely amazing.

    Happy to provide stories, details, links to pics if people want – some are here:

    https://www.roughingafterthewhistle.com/Thread-The-Travel-Thread-Part-Deux?pid=1064363#pid1064363

    Thank you for asking.

  169. hunter1909 says:

    I’m glad Chiarelli did what little he could to procure the two new defencemen, one who threw a few hits last night.

    I really get a kick out of the way this team can almost play good hockey. It’s far better than at any time before 2016-17.

    Although Manning seems like a head scratcher…but I’m sure Mr. Chiarelli knows what he’s doing.

  170. McSorley33 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Good point.

    PC collects LD like I used to collect hockey cards.

  171. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Looks like some Interesting Fish on the Menu !!

  172. Glovjuice says:

    Rube Foster: Agreed.

    There is no long term plan in Chiarelli Town other than make the Playoffs this year.

    It’s the only way to save his job. I will add that he must know that his future job prospects around the league will not look good after what he’s done with McDavid’s Oilers.

    As LT explained to us all upon Pete’s arrival. The Chiarelli narrative was about a gutsy GM Who was willing to make big deals giving up talent and was willing to go up against the cap if it meant adding pieces that would win a Stanley Cup.

    Well, we got exactly what LT said we’d be getting. But this time, three years into Chiarelli’s build, The wheels have fallen off his Lucic, his 25 minute a night stud first pair dman is playing for the Chicago Wolves in the AHL, and he turned our scoring right winger into… well I promised Glovjuice I’d lay off Spooner for a while.

    The only thing he seems to have delivered on is the creating of Cap Chaos.

    Peter has lost the plan and this year has been making reactive knee jerk decisions with what appears to be very little forethought or coordination.

    I believe that Peter Chiarelli came to the Oilers with a clear plan and vision that he began to execute. I think we can all agree that The Chiarelli Plan is broken, perhaps beyond repair. He is clearly functioning in a mode lacking forethought and coordination, others less charitable might call it desperation.

    My Question of the day, is Peter Chiarelli the GM we want taking the Oilers forward towards the Trade Deadline? Does anyone around these parts trust him to make any deals, large or small?

    As my friend in Airdrie said to me “you know the Flames fan all laugh about the Hall Trade in Calgary”.My response was, “yeah, we do too”.

    Nice. I’m famous. Well, I am on Twitter anyway.

  173. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Thinking about the various trade and line up ideas, it sure comes clear how important Jesse’s emergence is for the club.

    The ‘other’ players they are using for the top 6 are all good in some way, but have limitations. Chiasson isn’t fast enough, Rattie isn’t fast or big enough, Kassian doesn’t have the mental level forntop 6, Spooner can’t put it all together.

    Jesse checks all of the boxes to really help the top forwards and also become one – talent, speed, two way acumen and I think a decent IQ at least.

    Pure folly to trade him unless an excellent young player is coming back.

    I do believe you can trade quality but the Oilers aren’t good at it.

    Yzerman put Tampa to it’s level with some significant trades as well as drafting.

    Chiarelli put his team to its level with some significant trades and is trying to fix that through drafting.

  174. Pescador says:

    Material Elvis: This is a great idea.Calgary might want a veteran defenseman for their playoff run.We need actual NHL forwards.Cap hit is so close.Is Russell’s extra year a deal breaker?

    Maybe he can take his 10 team trade list with him

  175. jtblack says:

    McSorley33:
    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Good point.

    PC collects LD like I used to collect hockey cards.

    From Day 1 RHD has been a weak spot. So PC did the following.

    Trades for Reinhart who was LHD but “supposedly” could play RHD. That didnt work.

    Trades for Larsson. Gives up top Oiler not wearing #97. Larsson is Good but nobody is confusing him for Doughty, Burns, MacInnis or whomever would be Hall’s equal.

    Locks up LHD Kris Russell who can play RHD but has lower Fancies on the Right side. Left Fancies werent great anyway.

    Picked up Benning. Excellent RHD for 3rd pair.

    So after 3.5 yrs of fixing the RHD PC has ????????

    Basically waitig for EB now.

    Given the assets PC started with; the average fan would have a better RHD assembled by today.

  176. Bulging Twine says:

    OriginalPouzar: Chiasson’s original placement on the top line never ever made any sense to me.

    Chiasson went on a heater on the 2nd line and Hitchcock expressed that he needed to get him more minutes so placed him on the top line (which then scored zero goals at 5 on 5 for 4-5 games).

    Sure, finding more minutes for Chiasson made sense but I think we can all agree that a key to this team’s consistent success is scoring goals with McDavid off the ice and that was exactly what Chiasson was doing – I am still boggled that Hitchcock felt the need to mess with that.

    yes

  177. godot10 says:

    Material Elvis: This is a great idea.Calgary might want a veteran defenseman for their playoff run.We need actual NHL forwards.Cap hit is so close.Is Russell’s extra year a deal breaker?

    Russell is a cheap buyout in year 4, and I believe the salary cap recapture accrues to the Oilers, the original signing team, so the extra year is not that big a deal for Calgary.

    Calgary needs D depth for a Cup run. Valimaki is out for the season

  178. Bulging Twine says:

    godot10:
    Can we trade Kris Russell for Michael Frolik?

    Interesting

    Calgary is reportedly looking for a LHD.
    Russell wants to play in Alberta.
    Someone said Oilers are looking to add a RW.
    Money is close.
    Do we like Frolik?

  179. pts2pndr says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    BerkhamstedOil,

    ‘Mean’ but relatively useless otherwise. When will PC realize that it’s no longer 2011? The cap matters and the intangible ‘meanness’ is less relavent.

    Admiral Ackbar:
    BerkhamstedOil,

    ‘Mean’ but relatively useless otherwise. When will PC realize that it’s no longer 2011? The cap matters and the intangible ‘meanness’ is less relavent.

    Admiral Ackbar:
    BerkhamstedOil,

    ‘Mean’ but relatively useless otherwise. When will PC realize that it’s no longer 2011? The cap matters and the intangible ‘meanness’ is less relavent.

    I am somewhat curious about the 2.25 cap hit for Manning and the impact on team cap. The easiest players to move at the trading deadline are defensemen. Given the very small difference in cap hit between Manning and Caggiula and given the apparent ease to move D at the deadline I fail to see why the fervor. Fourth or fifth round draft choice should be the return if we are out of the hunt. This is not out of line for a third line D with his experience! It also allows Jones to be returned to the A for a playoff run if so decided by team management. I very much doubt you would get the same return for Caggiula so I see it as a win!

  180. ArmchairGM says:

    Apropos nothing: for all those haters who are calling Puljujarvi a bust, know that he’s ONE DAY older than Blues prospect Jordan Kyrou, who is generally held in high regard depite not being able to crack the 31st-place Blues lineup.

    It’s too early by half, folks.

  181. Bulging Twine says:

    godot10:
    Can we trade Kris Russell for Michael Frolik?

    On further reflection, If Chiarelli did this, I don’t think it would be until Klefbom came back. He sees Russell as his 2RD and Petro as 3RD. If all are healthy when Klefbom comes back, Jones could take Russell’s spot as 2RD. He seems to like Russell though.

    and, “wingers are easy to find” 😉

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: From Day 1 RHD has been a weak spot. So PC did the following.

    Trades for Reinhart who was LHD but “supposedly” could play RHD.That didnt work.

    Trades for Larsson. Gives up top Oiler not wearing #97.Larsson is Good but nobody is confusing him for Doughty, Burns, MacInnis or whomever would be Hall’s equal.

    Locks up LHD Kris Russell who can play RHD but has lower Fancies on the Right side. Left Fancies werent great anyway.

    Picked up Benning. Excellent RHD for 3rd pair.

    So after 3.5 yrs of fixing the RHD PC has ????????

    Basically waitig for EB now.

    Given the assets PC started with; the average fan would have a better RHD assembled by today.

    Don’t forget:

    – Drafted Ethan Bear
    – Drafted Filip Berglund
    – Drafted Phil Kemp
    – Signed Joel Persson

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Russell is a cheap buyout in year 4, and I believe the salary cap recapture accrues to the Oilers, the original signing team, so the extra year is not that big a deal for Calgary.

    Calgary needs D depth for a Cup run. Valimaki is out for the season

    I’m not sure if any of this is correct or what your point is.

    If Russell is bought out prior to the last year of his contract, the team still incurs a cap hit of $3M for that last year (plus a $500K cap hit the following year). That is not cheap.

    What does re-capture have to do with a Russell trade? Do you imagine him retiring during the next 2 years?

  184. Bulging Twine says:

    That organ in Montreal sounds like hockey

  185. Jethro Tull says:

    Pescador: That’s actually a requisite for being the mayor of Sylvan lake
    It’s more of a monster truck rally than an election

    Roadhouse was a documentary filmed in Sylvan Lake.

  186. Gerta Rauss says:

    godot10:
    Can we trade Kris Russell for Michael Frolik?

    Love this idea

    Your point about cap recapture is off base however-that’s only if the player retires

    *edit-and I think the recapture only applies to those back diving contracts ie:Luongo and Hossa-the league banished these contracts in the last CBA so there is only a handful of contracts out there that these penalties apply to

    *edit 2- a quick google
    https://www.spectorshockey.net/2017/08/possible-nhl-salary-cap-recapture-candidates/

  187. Bulging Twine says:

    Pettersson LBI

  188. Oz says:

    Bulging Twine,

    I am not Nucks fan, but that is unfortunate, he is really good, hope he returns soon.

  189. Bulging Twine says:

    VCR loses
    MIN wins

  190. Bulging Twine says:

    Oz:
    Bulging Twine,

    I am not Nucks fan, but that is unfortunate, he is really good, hope he returns soon.

    He’s incredible. Real fun to watch.

  191. Ryan says:

    godot10: Russell is a cheap buyout in year 4, and I believe the salary cap recapture accrues to the Oilers, the original signing team, so the extra year is not that big a deal for Calgary.

    Calgary needs D depth for a Cup run. Valimaki is out for the season

    Weird. You’re usually a pretty savvy guy.

    Cap recapture only applies to contracts that attempted to circumvent the salary cap like Weber’s.

    Also Russell’s contract is like Lucic-lite in that it’s virtually buyout proof.

  192. Professor Q says:

    jtblack:
    OILERS are same as they have been for 2.5 yrs.

    When Connor dominates, we win.

    If Connor is shut down.We Lose.

    Sometimes we lose when Connor gets 1,2 or 3 points.

    Its the Roller Coaster called “No Depth”

    Connor was shut down during the playoffs, yet we almost (and should have, thrice over) made it to the Conference Finals.

  193. JimmyV1965 says:

    I firmly believe this team needs to trade for a legit top six forward if it hopes to make the playoffs next year. And the trade will require draft picks and/or prospects. I sense extreme resistance to this idea. I would love to hear some posters explain how we can realistically make the playoffs next year without a meaningful trade.

  194. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull: Roadhouse was a documentary filmed in Sylvan Lake.

    I saw that, quality cinematography.
    You won’t find it in any history books but the town founders were made up entirely of escaped convicts from the old British penal system at Fort Saskatchewan,
    Mostly horse thieves, prostitutes & sheep shaggers

  195. Professor Q says:

    So, update on that song.

    Very well could be Eddie Cochran (like Pretty Girl, but obviously different) or Jerry Lee Lewis. Sort of sounded like a mix of them.

    Upbeat, “come get ready to go/something to know” or whatever that was, and a new thing I picked up today, which was one of those sexy rockabilly growls/purrs, but it seemed distinct.

    I wish I could Soundhound it, yet alas, no phone there during work. Plus, a lot of you here are smart and know about the 50s and 60s music scenes.

    I shall have to let luck play out, so that I might catch it again and hear more.

  196. Zelepukin says:

    Professor Q,

    And Letestu had more points than McD. Let that sink in.

    Ebs had 2pts in 10 games, Nuge had 4 in 12. No goals.

  197. Pescador says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I firmly believe this team needs to trade for a legit top six forward if it hopes to make the playoffs next year. And the trade will require draft picks and/or prospects. I sense extreme resistance to this idea. I would love to hear some posters explain how we can realistically make the playoffs next year without a meaningful trade.

    Part of the issue is the cost that PC. pays for players, it’s no wonder fans are weary.
    Plus our pro scouting department has an awful track record.
    Top 6 wingers can be had for less than a first round pick,
    I would combine a second with one of the glut of prospect LHD no named Jones. I bet you can get a decent winger for that at the draft.
    It would help if there was cap space available to add a $4-5M contract,
    Honestly where are the pro scouts that once help land Maroon for Gernat & a 5th?

  198. pts2pndr says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I firmly believe this team needs to trade for a legit top six forward if it hopes to make the playoffs next year. And the trade will require draft picks and/or prospects. I sense extreme resistance to this idea. I would love to hear some posters explain how we can realistically make the playoffs next year without a meaningful trade.

    While I see this as a need I am more concerned about the lack of a legitimate second pairing right D.
    I believe with a solid top four and offensive five or six D to help on the pp we would with the current forward group be a playoff team.

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