Danny Says We Gotta Go (Gotta Go to Idaho)

The Edmonton Oilers had one weird weekend in California. Absolutely indifferent in Los Angeles, the team played what might have been its worst game of the season. After a searing post-game scrum from Ken Hitchcock, and what must have been a night of tossing and turning, the team delivered a 4-0 win that featured Cam Talbot, a goal from Connor McDavid, secondary scoring and 24 blocked shots. It was 2016-17 all over again.

Don’t kid yourself, this roster has major issues. The Ducks had 39 shots, Edmonton only 24. It’s no way to builder a contender, but at the midway point of the season the Oilers are in playoff contention and (apparently) Oscar Klefbom four weeks or less away from return.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Oilers No. 10 prospect Winter 2018: Dylan Wells.
  • New Jonathan Willis: The Oilers have a shoddy roster and when they’re bad, they’re really bad.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: From 2 to 98, Oilers share the stories behind their jersey numbers.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s collection of prospect defencemen gives the team options now, in the future and in trade talks
  • New Jonathan Willis: With Mikko Koskinen and Cam Talbot bound for free agency, what is the Oilers goaltending plan?
  • New Lowetide: What could the Oilers acquire in a Jesse Puljujarvi trade?
  • New Jonathan Willis: The Edmonton Oilers are one good summer away from being competitive.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 9 prospect Winter 2018: Joel Persson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 42

  • Oilers in 2015: 17-22-3, 37 points; goal differential -22
  • Oilers in 2016: 21-14-7, 49 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 18-21-3, 39 points; goal differential -21
  • Oilers in 2018: 20-19-3, 43 points; goal differential -6

Edmonton is 11-9-2 under Ken Hitchcock, that game was a bit of deja vu for Oilers fans. It also felt fabulous to win in Anaheim against the usual suspects, that kind of win against that team in California will never get old. Team is on track for 82, 39-37-6, 84 points. Not playoffs, but an improvement season over season.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-1-0, four points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in January 2017: 2-1-0, four points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in January 2018: 1-2-0, two points; goal differential -8
  • Oilers in January 2019: 2-1-0, two points; goal differential +1

Edmonton is two points behind Anaheim for the final playoff spot, and what’s more the team remains in playoff contention. The game in San Jose is now huge, but all of the games are big until the team makes the playoffs or is out of contention.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • On the road to: Arizona, Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 2-1-0, two points in two games

A big win last night, but the hit on McDavid will be the topic of discussion. I’m not as bloodthirsty now (the big, bad Bruins were my favourite team back in the day, for many reasons) but would have welcomed a specific response. Nurse did flatten Adam Henrique, but that McDavid blind side deserved an answer. In a 4-0 game, it was a little surprising no Oilers player stood up and made an example of Lindholm. Can’t have players hitting 97 from behind with no answer.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Jones-Larsson went 12-19 in 16:45, 7-8 shots, 2-0 goals and 5-4 HDSC. I thought they were both effective (score effects were fully in play for at least 40 minutes). Went 3-12 in 7:55 against Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg. Jones is well inside the top four D now, uncertain what happens when Klefbom returns but Hitchcock has more options because Jones is bona fide.
  • Nurse-Russell were 15-30 in 19:22, the No. 1 pairing based on usage. Were 8-14 shots, 1-0 goals and 5-5 in HDSC. Went 4-14 in 7:36 against Ritchie-Getzlaf-Kase, including 1-0 goals. Both men can cause an argument among Oilers fans at 500 feet, but on this night there was chaos but no goals allowed.
  • Gravel-Petrovic went 5-18 in 10:06, 3-7 shots, 2-4 HDSC. Went 4-5 in 4:52 against Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg. I thought this pairing was calm compared to the third pairing one night ago.
  • Cam Talbot stopped all 39 shots he faced. He was the No. 1 star on merit and should he return to previous Talbotian form, that’s a big damned deal.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson went 6-9 in 9:48, 2-6 shots no goals and 2-3 HDSC. Draisaitl played with 97 (1-0) and spent time with Puljujarvi, Nuge, Khaira, Kassian, Lucic and others. Went 7-10 in 7:07 against Lindholm-Montour.
  • Khaira-McDavid-Kassian were 14-22 in 15:52, 8-11 shots, no goals and 4-5 HDSC. Went 11-17 in 10:13 against Fowler-Manson. I’m not sure about either winger as a long-term solution this high on the roster, but they both made plays and kept the puck moving in a good direction.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Puljujarvi were 9-19 in 11:22, 5-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 1-1 HDSC. All three men played well, Lucic was a bandit on the Leon goal, Nuge had two assists, and JP scored a goal from the slot (that’s going to be his home until 2038). Went 5-10 in 5:52 against Lindholm-Montour.
  • Gambardella-Brodziak-Rattie were 2-6 in 5:21, 1-0 HDSC. The line performed well in limited minutes. I like Gambardella as a forechecker and his speed is a big help. Brodziak played his best games in some time. Rattie is there to add speed, but I think he would be better served with a more offensive center.

OILERS CURRENT ROSTER

These articles arrive with some frequency, Oilers fans have endured about two dozen since McDavid’s lottery. I have interviewed Lyle Richardson many times, he’s a credible individual and he takes great pains to credit sources and to let you know when he’s speculating. The item on McDavid is pure speculation riffing off Bruce Arthur’s comments the other day.

Here’s the thing: Connor McDavid, like impact hockey players before him, isn’t wired to ask for a trade. He’s focused on winning with the Edmonton Oilers, proof of that was the eight-year contract signed not that long ago. Now, there is responsibility attached from the organization’s side, they are absolutely charged with building a Stanley Cup contender.

Rick Nash played nine years with Columbus, through several incarnations of Blue Jackets. Once the team had arrived at its ‘new rebuild’ for the fifth time, he said ‘maybe you can let me off at the next stop’ and it happened just that way. Nash was 28 the first time he played a game for the New York Rangers. Connor McDavid turns 22 in a week.

There’s a certain melancholy that washes over me, reading discussion of Connor McDavid leaving so soon. It’s miles away to be sure, but Oilers history suggests this young man won’t spend his entire career in this northern town. We can’t go surfing, because it’s 20 below.

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191 Responses to "Danny Says We Gotta Go (Gotta Go to Idaho)"

  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Hitchcock has more options because Jones is bona fide.

    Bona fide!!

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    WPG 13
    NSH 10
    COL 6

    Pacific
    CGY 13
    VGK 11
    SJS 10

    Wilcard
    DAL 5
    MIN 3

    Out of playoffs
    ANA 2
    EDM 1
    VAN -1
    ARI -3
    STL -3
    CHI -5
    LAK -6

    Pacific DAL/MIN/COL games today:

    MIN at MTL (MTL -125)
    CGY at CHI (CGY -185)
    LAK at SJS (SJS -235)

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oiler Goal Share after 42 games (20-19-3)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 44-32 (58%)
    McDavid Off Ice 39-57 (41%)
    EV=-6

    Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
    29-30
    ST=-1

    Empty Net: (all 5v6 & 5v6)
    5-12
    EN= -7

    SO
    1-0

    SO=+1

    Net Goal Differential -13

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Hitchcock has more options because Jones is bona fide.

    Bona fide!!

    Jones is a Dapper Dan man.

    Though he did look a little lost when Getzstuffed had Drai by the scruff. I don’t know if that was a “don’t want my first NHL fight yet” or “C’mon Drai, your not exactly tiny yourself.”

  5. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HITCHCOCK ERA:
    Oiler Goal Share after 22 games (11-9-2)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 24-18 (57%)
    McDavid Off Ice 21-29 (42%)
    Net EV -2

    Special Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against):
    12-11
    Net ST +1

    Empty Net:
    3-7
    Net EN -4

    SO
    1-0
    SO=+1

    Net Goal Differential -4

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    Hmmm, gonna take a bit for playoffs as we have to rely on crappy teams beating good teams to grease our way.

  7. Jethro Tull says:

    The hit on McDavid last night is exactly what’s going to land the league in trouble. Class action lawsuit trouble. I’ll keep saying it: The NHL doesn’t take player safety seriously.

  8. Wilde says:

    Jones has been so, so, so, so, so good.

    Each performance in this sequence stares down Nurse’s bridge contract status.

    That was a Todd McLellan-esque turtle, though. I don’t think a clean play through the middle on the breakout happened in the back half of the game, ever.

  9. Scungilli Slushy says:

    “Can’t have players hitting 97 from behind with no answer.”

    If the refs aren’t going to have an answer. Lucic should use his stature in the league and fact that he’s not producing to do the main thing he was hired for, BoB 80’s style message sending regarding running Oiler skill. He plays better PO’d anyway, he’s being too selective ATM with that.

    I think Lucic has leeway with the league because of being a prominent player until recently, as long as he’s not doing dangerous things. Non head shot seek and destroy would suit me fine given the current reffing attitudes toward the Oilers.

    Or at least get in the face constantly of the player in question, I think that would affect the play of the guy at the receiving end. And Getzlaf/Kessler/Perry every game, all the time, every shift he can.

  10. ArmchairGM says:

    So, about that Talbot trade…

  11. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    “Can’t have players hitting 97 from behind with no answer.”

    If the refs aren’t going to have an answer. Lucic should use his stature in the league and fact that he’s not producing to do the main thing he was hired for, BoB 80’s style message sending regarding running Oiler skill. He plays better PO’d anyway, he’s being too selective ATM with that.

    I think Lucic has leeway with the league because of being a prominent player until recently, as long as he’s not doing dangerous things. Non head shot seek and destroy would suit me fine given the current reffing attitudes toward the Oilers.

    Or at least get in the face constantly of the player in question, I think that would affect the play of the guy at the receiving end. And Getzlaf/Kessler/Perry every game, all the time, every shift he can.

    Take out Doughty and Getzlaf’s knees?

  12. Rube Foster says:

    LT,

    Kicking the Ducks while their down, Rock solid outing from Talbot, a nice game from Lucic and a Pulju goal. The Ramomes reference is a fabulous touch and lovely icing on the cake!

    The Sharks game is a biggie, it is wild how big these games are given we’re barely halfway through the season mired in January darkness.

  13. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Watching that clip from last night of McDavid getting hit from behind make me sick. Why does the NHL continue to allow star players to be consistently mauled?

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    I have zero concern that Connor McDavid is going to “demand” a trade at any point – zero.

    I don’t agree with any position that McDavid “deserves” better and needs to be “set free” from this organization. He is in the first year of a contract that will pay him a guaranteed $100M before the age of 30. McDavid will be fine.

    Not to mention that, although the team clearly has issues right now and, given the current cap, it may be a year or two until substantial improvements can be made, that still leaves 6 years of his contract and his prime. The only “anchor” contract that has term is Lucic (and we can pray for a get out of jail card in connection with the CBA negotiations – yes, I know, without a change in the HRR split, there may not be such a card). Stay the course while the other contracts are moved/expired over the next year or two and this team can be set up very shortly for success.

    Starting next season this team should start to see the fruits of the drafting and development over the last number of years – each of the following have legit shots to prove NHL readiness – Bear, Persson, Bouchard, Lagesson, Benson, Marody, Berglund. The following are graduating to the AHL – Maksimov, Samorukov, Safin, McLeod, Bouchard.

    This team will be able to take advantage to the ELC value contracts over the next few year in conjunction with the expiry/disposition of expensive veteran contract.

    McDavid will be just fine.

  15. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Hitchcock has more options because Jones is bona fide.

    Bona fide!!

    Jonesa fide!

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Sharks play (at home) against LA tonight so we get them tomorrow on the back end of back to backs.

    Will be interesting to see what they do with their goalies. The Sharks are good and really good at home – the Oilers need to find a way to get a point tomorrow night, maybe even two.

    I’m excited – although horrified by the egregious start time.

  17. Wilde says:

    reposting this from an hour ago on the last blog post:

    One area I’d like to see Puljujärvi improve in, and this could be a matter of time and unit stability, is offensive zone positioning and routes. Often, he either-

    A) Goes to the net /too/ eagerly or too soon, obviously this has been drilled into his head, but I feel like he goes in too close too early, or stays there too long. What I mean is that he could present a one-time option on the way in, but ignores presenting himself as a passing option until he’s in his spot.

    Then, he stays there too long and never separates. A great trait of net-front powerplay and even strength guys. guys who make their money in front of the net (this is where I believe 98 will score 80+% of his 5v5 goals) know when to sneak out. A famous example is here, by Hossa & Keith (sorry): https://youtu.be/K3eD9MKglZY?t=5

    The other half of this is that once he gets there – and this is more on his teammates than him and I’m sure it’ll change once Nuge and Khaira play with him for a couple dozen games (I pray this happens) – is that the play isn’t run through him enough there.

    You could do a lot worse than make a pass outside-in to your behemoth net-front guy who has already scored some goals (like last night!) by using his reach and his body to receive passes and shove them on net. If you’re gonna have him sit there, run the play through him instead of going low-to-high and hoping the screen is perfect.

    B) Will double up a space/role that his teammate is occupying. This is ten times more deadly in the defensive zone, but it’s one of my pet peeves in the OZ. He ends up running into guys routes pretty often.

    What this does, is it essentially removes an option from whoever’s carrying the puck, since there’s a pass option missing from where you should be, and one guy can be blocking two passing lanes at once because there’s two players there instead of one. It makes the opposition’s efficiency too easy, too free.

    Bonus Puljujärvi stats – added to his 40ish minutes this season with Connor, they’re now at 387:43 time-on-ice together since Yessa entered the league:

    (all stats 5v5; score&venue adjusted)

    (metric – 97 with 98 / / 97 without 98)

    CF/60 – 70.18 / / 61.02

    FF/60 – 53.37 / / 39.38

    GF/60 – 3.64 / / 3.47

    GA/60 – 1.82 / / 2.48

    GD/60 – +1.82 / / +0.99

  18. Professor Q says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Watching that clip from last night of McDavid getting hit from behind make me sick. Why does the NHL continue to allow star players to be consistently mauled?

    And the Doughty hit from the game prior.

    The League loves laughing at Edmonton, even at the expense of people’s health.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Caleb Jones was sensational last night, even if we don’t look at the two assists – a very good game.

    I am going to “calm my tits” a bit as we’ve seen many many many many times over the years, even this year, a player with a really strong start to his NHL career but then regresses to my normal expectations.

    So far so good for Jones and, I’ve always been of the position, that players can often perform better in the NHL than the AHL due to the players around them being better (in the right position, with better timing, more skilled, etc.).

  20. who says:

    You may not think they belong on the first line LT, but if we go with the 3 center lineup, Khaira and Kassian are our best 2 wingers right now.
    Chiasson has been the best shooter this year, and I still like Rattie, but Khaira and Kassian are the two best options to cycle and protect the puck. And they both have enough skill and speed, and hockey smarts, to play with McDavid.
    Neither guy is a shooter, but maybe that will force McDavid to shoot it more.

  21. who says:

    ArmchairGM:
    So, about that Talbot trade…

    A couple more starts like that and maybe we could get a 1st rounder?

  22. Durag says:

    Manning scratched and Petrovic has the least icetime of any defender. Keep up the good work Pete!

  23. tileguy says:

    ArmchairGM:
    So, about that Talbot trade…

    Toronto needs a goalie and has extra firepower we could use. Get on it Pete, ooops.

  24. Dicky94 says:

    If the players don’t stand up to teams taking liberties on McDavid then it up to the coach to tell a Kassian or Lucic to go out and put an end to it. It shouldn’t be up to Joey G. But good on him for trying.

  25. Munny says:

    I feel like Rattie deserves to be in the line summaries. Was he supposed to show where the second listing of Kassian occurs?

  26. Jethro Tull says:

    Durag:
    Manning scratched and Petrovic has the least icetime of any defender. Keep up the good work Pete!

    Once again, as with Todd, there seems to be a disconnect between what players the GM provides and what the coach thinks of the players.

  27. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    It is really encouraging to see Jones’ play so far!

    I see Jones as a similar player to Klefbom (more of the “puck mover types”). Pretty much all D get walked once-in-awhile, as long as “big mistakes” like this are relatively rare, I would keep him bouncing in and out of the top-pair with Larsson. Great experience for him and an opportunity to see if he can continue to have some success in the top 4.

    When Klefbom gets back and assuming the D are healthy (except Sekera who may be basically “done for the season” again taking into consideration it would take him a conditioning stint and some time to get back up to NHL regular game speed)…I would try this for about 4-5 games to see how Jones does back on his off side…

    Klef-Lars
    Nurse-Rus
    Gravel-Jones

    …then for the home stretch…

    Klef-Lars
    Nurse-Jones
    Rus-Petro or Ben
    Grav (7th)

    Manning to trade (if at ALL possible) or waived…

    I think a decent recipe for successful D-pairing is to have a puck mover and some “grease” (balance!) on each of the top two pairings (3rd too if possible)…

  28. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: Take out Doughty and Getzlaf’s knees?

    They play a lot of TOI, no need for dirty. Just start rocking the opponent’s skill, if they want to roll that way.

  29. DBO says:

    2019-2020 D corps

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Jones
    Russell-Bouchard
    Bear-Manning/Gravel

    Solid lineup. more skill and passing then we have had in a long time. Sekera traded, bought out, etc. and Benning trade bait at deadline this year to get scoring help.

  30. knighttown says:

    That left defense is going to be one interesting position in the next couple of years.

    In, say, 2020-21, what will be the order of these three defense?

    Klefbom, Jones, Nurse?

    And that assumes Sekera doesn’t make it back and Russell plays the right.

  31. DBO says:

    2019-2020 Forwards

    ?-McDavid-?
    ?-Draisatl-Chaisson
    Khaira-Nuge-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian

    3 spots up for grabs in top 6. Benson? Khaira? Yamamoto? Eberle back on cheaper deal.. doubtful? Rieder again for cheap? Lucic fountain of youth? Kassian next step?

    Painful that we have such top end glaring holes and our back end is only now coming around, with warts, if everyone was healthy. Next year we have a glut of dmen, so painfully it means needing to deal a dman for a forward.

  32. powerploy says:

    Durag,

    they are meant as replacements to get through the injuries, russel is back so worse of 2 out. Chia may not be a great gm but give him a break!

  33. Wilde says:

    knighttown: In, say, 2020-21, what will be the order of these three defense?
    Klefbom, Jones, Nurse?

    Yes.

  34. PennersPancakes says:

    knighttown,

    If all things go well, hopefully the water gets a little more muddier with Lagesson and Samorukov also pushing from the AHL then.

  35. Side says:

    Is there still anyone out there who believes the refs are not biased against the Oilers (which includes McDavid)?

    It’s incredible to me how the Oilers did not get a penalty against the Ducks (of all teams) until the last 3 minutes of the game.

  36. geowal says:

    Just when I thought I was out…they pull me back in!

  37. ArmchairGM says:

    Wilde: Bonus Puljujärvi stats – added to his 40ish minutes this season with Connor, they’re now at 387:43 time-on-ice together since Yessa entered the league:

    (all stats 5v5; score&venue adjusted)

    (metric – 97 with 98 / / 97 without 98)

    CF/60 – 70.18 / / 61.02

    FF/60 – 53.37 / / 39.38

    GF/60 – 3.64 / / 3.47

    GA/60 – 1.82 / / 2.48

    GD/60 – +1.82 / / +0.99

    This is where I see him long-term, and why I react violently when some suggest trading JP. Anyone will score with McDavid, but Puljujarvi seems to make McDavid better too.

    Puljujarvi’s 5v5 points/60 when with McDavid:

    2016-17: 2.86 (84:01)
    2016-17: 6.58 (18:15) [w/o Lucic]

    2017-18: 1.87 (256:57)
    2017-18: 2.42 (74:34) [w/o Lucic]

    2018-19: 2.57 (46:45)
    2018-19: 2.74 (43:52) [w/o Lucic]

    Career: 2.17 (387:43)
    Career: 3.07 (136:41) [w/o Lucic]

    Jesse’s comps for thier first 3 years with their top-line center:

    Laine: 2.87 (647:38 with Scheifele)
    Pastrnak: 2.13 (648:27 with Bergeron)
    Rantanen: 2.02 (1632:30 with MacKinnon)
    Nylander: 1.82 (624:42 with Matthews)

    None of these guys had to deal with the Lucic drag, the McBlender or constantly being shuttled off to the AHL. Yet, even with all that, Puljujarvi has done better than all but Laine. Remove the “with Lucic” numbers and Edmonton has the top-of-class player. Rantanen is having a season for the ages, yet his 3.10 p/60 with MacKinnon in his draft+4 is virtually identical to Puljujarvi’s career number with McDavid (sans Lucic). Incredible!

    I’m certain there’s a player there. If the issues you highlight can be coached out of him (I think they can) Puljujarvi will be a fixture on this team for many years.

  38. McSorley33 says:

    Durag,

    Manning scratched and Petrovic has the least icetime of any defender. Keep up the good work Pete!
    ****************************************************************************************************************
    Yeah, to the surprise of nobody besides PC and a few other Oiler pro scouts – Manning
    found himself exactly where he was in Chicago, in the press box.

  39. Wolfpack says:

    I am not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but it really makes me wonder when I see the non-calls on McDavid and they are just so much more frequent than the non-calls that I see on other star players.

    I can’t figure out for the life of me how it would benefit the NHL to proactively work with officials to not make calls on infractions against the league’s best player, but I can’t figure out any other reason why I am seeing what I am seeing.

    There should absolutely be repercussions for the referee in the clip above that watches McDavid get crosschecked from behind into the boards. That non-call is simply indefensible. But there won’t be. Why does the league want this?! I am not just talking about that one play, which was brutal, but also all of the hooking and holding and slashing away from the play. With McDavid’s skill and speed he should be drawing the most penalties in the league by a large margin, and he isn’t even close. How can the NHL not see how badly they are screwing this up?!

  40. --hudson-- says:

    In my opinion McDavid is at least partially responsible for that play with Lindholm. In no way should he be initiating contact before Lindholm touches the puck, that’s interference. Both players should’ve been penalized.
    https://streamable.com/unzz7

    Kerry Fraser has pointed out McDavid has to do a better job of selling calls to the refs. You have to love his integrity but it’s true.

  41. Side says:

    McSorley33:
    Durag,

    Manning scratched and Petrovic has the least icetime of any defender. Keep up the good work Pete!
    ****************************************************************************************************************
    Yeah, to the surprise of nobody besides PC and a few other Oiler pro scouts – Manning
    found himself exactly where he was in Chicago, in the press box.

    You guys just gotta wait and see Pete’s plan through.

    It is clear he is now waiting for 2 Defenseman to get injured so Manning and Petrovic can start playing more.

  42. OmJo says:

    Wolfpack:
    I am not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but it really makes me wonder when I see the non-calls on McDavid and they are just so much more frequent than the non-calls that I see on other star players.

    I can’t figure out for the life of me how it would benefit the NHL to proactively work with officials to not make calls on infractions against the league’s best player, but I can’t figure out any other reason why I am seeing what I am seeing.

    There should absolutely be repercussions for the referee in the clip above that watches McDavid get crosschecked from behind into the boards. That non-call is simply indefensible. But there won’t be. Why does the league want this?! I am not just talking about that one play, which was brutal, but also all of the hooking and holding and slashing away from the play. With McDavid’s skill and speed he should be drawing the most penalties in the league by a large margin, and he isn’t even close. How can the NHL not see how badly they are screwing this up?!

    The look on Bettman’s face when Edmonton won the McDavid lottery says it all, IMO. This rot has to be systemic, otherwise the NHL would have addressed it themselves by now.

  43. --hudson-- says:

    Further to Manning as a healthy scratch, Schlemko is on waivers today. Not sure if he’s meaner than Gravel.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1082322494357454854?s=21

  44. Ribs says:

    I don’t know what kind of condition Schlemko is in after his injury, but he’s miles better than Manning and Petrovic if healthy. He’s an Edmonton guy who I feel is destined to wear the drop at some point in his career. File some papers, Pete!

  45. giddy says:

    One of the weirdest parts of last night is Brian Burke’s comments on Puljujarvi. Not that I doubt Burke’s intelligence, especially relating to hockey, but he had an extremely level-headed and smart view on the whole situation of Pulju’s development.

    Some players take longer to develop than others. Give him a few things to work on till he gets those straight, then give him a few more things. Don’t be discouraged when certain areas of his game aren’t looking great, as long as certain areas where it’s prevalent that he’s trying to focus on are improving. Overall, have patience.

  46. Jordan says:

    Completely missed the game last night. After Saturday… I just couldn’t be bothered.

    From what i saw of the highlights, and what I see from the numbers, it sure looks like a game where the Oilers had an okay game, got some breaks with pucks going in off of some flukie rebounds in front of the net, and Cam decided he still wants to get paid next year. Anaheim seems to have carried the play, and although some of that will be score effects, it looks to me like there’s too much of an edge for Anaheim to not think there isn’t more to it.

    I hope they win every game for the rest of the season.

    But that win doesn’t look especially repeatable – especially against the Sharks this year.

    Good news is there are a lot of people questioning the team’s construction and it’s architect.

    The truth will out.

  47. godot10 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Watching that clip from last night of McDavid getting hit from behind make me sick. Why does the NHL continue to allow star players to be consistently mauled?

    If the clip above is all you are watching, it is an incomplete take of the entire interaction. I am going to be a Devil’s Advocate. If you look at the full clip, McDavid initiated contact and then turned his back to Lindholm, making himself vulnerable. The play was also happening very quickly. The initial contact was shoulder to shoulder initiated by McDavid before McDavid exposed his own back.

  48. giddy says:

    –hudson–:
    In my opinion McDavid is at least partially responsible for that play with Lindholm.In no way should he be initiating contact before Lindholm touches the puck, that’s interference.Both players should’ve been penalized.
    https://streamable.com/unzz7

    My thoughts also. The clip posted by eskfans was a little one-sided, because it seems to purposely not show the contact McDavid initiated to begin with.

    Not that it excuses a crosscheck to the numbers that sends a guy face first into the boards, but it makes a bit more sense why the ref didn’t call anything.

  49. Side says:

    godot10: If the clip above is all you are watching, it is an incomplete take of the entire interaction.I am going to be a Devil’s Advocate.If you look at the full clip, McDavid initiated contact and then turned his back to Lindholm, making himself vulnerable.The play was also happening very quickly.The initial contact was shoulder to shoulder initiated by McDavid before McDavid exposed his own back.

    That’s not being devil’s advocate, that’s just making an excuse for Lindholm.

  50. Wolfpack says:

    Are people really arguing that it matters that McDavid initiated contact while ten feet way from the boards? Does that make it okay for the defender to then cross-check him in the numbers into the boards a second later? And that gives the ref an “out” in terms of not making a call? Honestly people, are you even listening to yourselves? Would you still have the audacity to make that argument if McDavid had broken his neck on that play?!

    Wow.

  51. Munny says:

    giddy:
    One of the weirdest parts of last night is Brian Burke’s comments on Puljujarvi. Not that I doubt Burke’s intelligence, especially relating to hockey, but he had an extremely level-headed and smart view on the whole situation of Pulju’s development.

    Some players take longer to develop than others. Give him a few things to work on till he gets those straight, then give him a few more things. Don’t be discouraged when certain areas of his game aren’t looking great, as long as certain areas where it’s prevalent that he’s trying to focus on are improving. Overall, have patience.

    In an earlier broadcast a couple of weeks ago he said that if the Oilers had not taken Pujo, the Flames would’ve taken him over Tkachuk if Pujo was still on the board.

  52. Side says:

    Wolfpack:
    Are people really arguing that it matters that McDavid initiated contact while ten feet way from the boards? Does that make it okay for the defender to then cross-check him in the numbers into the boards a second later? And that gives the ref an “out” in terms of not making a call? Honestly people, are you even listening to yourselves? Would you still have the audacity to make that argument if McDavid had broken his neck on that play?!

    Wow.

    I know it’s incredible. These players have ridiculous reflexes, Lindholm knows McDavid is in the danger zone, and Lindholm’s intent was still to cross check McDavid at #’s height. It doesn’t really matter if McDavid has his side to Lindholm, or his front. Lindholm knew McDavid was infront of him, and Lindholm decided he was going to cross check McDavid in the numbers area.

    I have no clue why excuses are trying to be made for Lindholm, here.

    If Lindholm knew McDavid was not going to be infront of him, exposing his back, side or front, he wouldn’t have thrown the cross check at all.

    We’ve already seen precedent of clean hits from that distance sending players into the boards head first and those still get called.

    I am also not sure why people feel like McDavid initiating contact for the puck (what else is he going to do in that position, anyway? he would be putting himself in an even more vulnerable position if he DIDN’T engage the player physically) puts him in the wrong.

  53. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: 2.17 (387:43)

    Interesting to look at the goalie stats with McLellan / Hitchcock too:

    Under McLellan
    Koskinen 4-2-0-0 2.60 GAA / .917 SP
    Talbot 5-8-0-1 3.31 GAA / .888 SP

    Under Hitchcock
    Koskinen 8-6-0-1 2.66 GAA / .914 SP
    Talbot 3-3-0-1 2.72 GAA / .915 SP

    Koskinen’s play has stayed pretty much the same, but Talbot has done much better under Hitchcock.

  54. Professor Q says:

    Side: That’s not being devil’s advocate, that’s just making an excuse for Lindholm.

    As an aside, I recently watched Devil’s Advocate for the first time. Quite an interesting movie.

  55. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    This is a league that consistently calls the second infraction in lieu of the first. McDavid didnt expose his back so mich as he beat his man to the puck.

  56. ArmchairGM says:

    tileguy: Toronto needs a goalie and has extra firepower we could use.Get on it Pete, ooops.

    If we’re out of the playoffs at the deadline and a contender has an injured starter, I think you do it. But if we’re in the chase, I don’t think it’s smart.

  57. razor says:

    It’s been said that Yawney wants to keep Jones at LD because it is his natural side, so this lineup is going to work. I suggest:

    Klefbom Larsson
    Nurse Russell
    Jones Petrovic

    Don’t like the idea off putting the rook on his off side.

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    It is really encouraging to see Jones’ play so far!

    I see Jones as a similar player to Klefbom (more of the “puck mover types”). Pretty much all D get walked once-in-awhile, as long as “big mistakes” like this are relatively rare, I would keep him bouncing in and out of the top-pair with Larsson. Great experience for him and an opportunity to see if he can continue to have some success in the top 4.

    When Klefbom gets back and assuming the D are healthy (except Sekera who may be basically “done for the season” again taking into consideration it would take him a conditioning stint and some time to get back up to NHL regular game speed)…I would try this for about 4-5 games to see how Jones does back on his off side…

    Klef-Lars
    Nurse-Rus
    Gravel-Jones

    …then for the home stretch…

    Klef-Lars
    Nurse-Jones
    Rus-Petro or Ben
    Grav (7th)

    Manning to trade (if at ALL possible) or waived…

    I think a decent recipe for successful D-pairing is to have a puck mover and some “grease” (balance!) on each of the top two pairings (3rd too if possible)…

  58. Side says:

    Professor Q: As an aside, I recently watched Devil’s Advocate for the first time. Quite an interesting movie.

    You know, Kevin shouldn’t have put himself into such a vulnerable position by working for John.

    (Sorry, I couldn’t help myself)

    I haven’t seen it in awhile, but Keanu, no matter how bad the movie he is in may be, makes the movie a must watch for me.

  59. --hudson-- says:

    Side: I know it’s incredible.These players have ridiculous reflexes, Lindholm knows McDavid is in the danger zone, and Lindholm’s intent was still to cross check McDavid at #’s height. It doesn’t really matter if McDavid has his side to Lindholm, or his front. Lindholm knew McDavid was infront of him, and Lindholm decided he was going to cross check McDavid in the numbers area.

    I have no clue why excuses are trying to be made for Lindholm, here.

    If Lindholm knew McDavid was not going to be infront of him, exposing his back, side or front, he wouldn’t have thrown the cross check at all.

    We’ve already seen precedent of clean hits from that distance sending players into the boards head first and those still get called.

    I am also not sure why people feel like McDavid initiating contact for the puck (what else is he going to do in that position, anyway? he would be putting himself in an even more vulnerable position if he DIDN’T engage the player physically) puts him in the wrong.

    You’re absolutely right that McDavid was going to be in a vulnerable spot and I bet Lindholm planned it that way. But you can’t lay the body on a player that doesn’t have the puck, that’s interference, something we regularly complain about against McDavid.

    My preference would have been if Connor played it more like how Lucic played Montour before Drais goal. Don’t try to be first on the puck and hold off on contact until the play is closer to the boards.

    The way it went last night, both deserved a penalty. Two minutes to McDavid and either 2 or 5 minutes to Lindholm.

  60. barry.moore23 says:

    Professor Q: As an aside, I recently watched Devil’s Advocate for the first time. Quite an interesting movie.

    Is that one anything like The Devil’s Rejects ?? 🙂

  61. JamesL says:

    Carolina may be looking to trade Dougie Hamilton: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hurricanes-deal-dougie-hamilton-look-enter-trade-market/

    Is it too much of a pipe dream to wonder if the Oilers could somehow cobble together a trade? What would you offer?

  62. Jethro Tull says:

    –hudson–,

    Why 2 mins to McDavid?

  63. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM: This is where I see him long-term, and why I react violently when some suggest trading JP. Anyone will score with McDavid, but Puljujarvi seems to make McDavid better too.

    Puljujarvi’s 5v5 points/60 when with McDavid:

    2016-17: 2.86 (84:01)
    2016-17: 6.58 (18:15) [w/o Lucic]

    2017-18: 1.87 (256:57)
    2017-18: 2.42 (74:34) [w/o Lucic]

    2018-19: 2.57 (46:45)
    2018-19: 2.74 (43:52) [w/o Lucic]

    Career: 2.17 (387:43)
    Career: 3.07 (136:41) [w/o Lucic]

    Jesse’s comps for thier first 3 years with their top-line center:

    Laine: 2.87 (647:38 with Scheifele)
    Pastrnak: 2.13 (648:27 with Bergeron)
    Rantanen: 2.02 (1632:30 with MacKinnon)
    Nylander: 1.82 (624:42 with Matthews)

    None of these guys had to deal with the Lucic drag, the McBlender or constantly being shuttled off to the AHL. Yet, even with all that, Puljujarvi has done better than all but Laine. Remove the “with Lucic” numbers and Edmonton has the top-of-class player. Rantanen is having a season for the ages, yet his 3.10 p/60 with MacKinnon in his draft+4 is virtually identical to Puljujarvi’s career number with McDavid (sans Lucic). Incredible!

    I’m certain there’s a player there. If the issues you highlight can be coached out of him (I think they can) Puljujarvi will be a fixture on this team for many years.

    JP is a quirky player, he looks different than the average skater on the ice. He also has such an array of things he can do that makes him different.

    Who knows if he can put the offensive stuff together at the NHL level, but if he can figure out shooting and dangling he’ll be a league top winger. He could sure shoot and dangle at the previous level. I still think he seems more like a centre with his defensive and skating skills. He’s also more a playmaker than shooter.

    One thing strong teams do that the Oilers aren’t good at is stick work. The positive type sees teams knocking down passes and knocking pucks off sticks, like Connor trying to rush LA players and they had a lot of success knocking the puck away from him.

    You can’t rely on stick checking but adding it to good positioning makes life hard on forwards, Lidstrom was genius with his stick, and skates to stopping attempts through his legs.

    JP is really good with his stick defensively, Hitch mentioned it, that skilll was thee from the start with the Oilers. He’s really good at breaking up plays and stealing pucks. He’s surprisingly good forechecking, like Kassian he closes deceptively quick and causes mayhem for the opponent breakout. If he decides he likes checking as well watch out.

    I’d trade Yama first if I had to choose. Another unique toolsy player, I think JP has the advantage with size allowing him to be effective in more ways.

  64. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I have zero concern that Connor McDavid is going to “demand” a trade at any point – zero.

    I don’t agree with any position that McDavid “deserves” better and needs to be “set free” from this organization.He is in the first year of a contract that will pay him a guaranteed $100M before the age of 30. McDavid will be fine.

    Not to mention that, although the team clearly has issues right now and, given the current cap, it may be a year or two until substantial improvements can be made, that still leaves 6 years of his contract and his prime.The only “anchor” contract that has term is Lucic (and we can pray for a get out of jail card in connection with the CBA negotiations – yes, I know, without a change in the HRR split, there may not be such a card). Stay the course while the other contracts are moved/expired over the next year or two and this team can be set up very shortly for success.

    Starting next season this team should start to see the fruits of the drafting and development over the last number of years – each of the following have legit shots to prove NHL readiness – Bear, Persson, Bouchard, Lagesson, Benson, Marody, Berglund. The following are graduating to the AHL – Maksimov, Samorukov, Safin, McLeod, Bouchard.

    This team will be able to take advantage to the ELC value contracts over the next few year in conjunction with the expiry/disposition of expensive veteran contract.

    McDavid will be just fine.

    I agree and we have some goalies with pedigree in the pipeline as well!

  65. Jordan says:

    Jethro Tull:
    –hudson–,

    Why 2 mins to McDavid?

    2 minutes for being drafted by the Oilers.

  66. pts2pndr says:

    Durag:
    Manning scratched and Petrovic has the least icetime of any defender. Keep up the good work Pete!

    Give it a break! We have a good game and something positive and you have to drag us under your bridge? It would be nice to just live in the moment! We as fans deserve a good day!

  67. jtblack says:

    JamesL:
    Carolina may be looking to trade Dougie Hamilton: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hurricanes-deal-dougie-hamilton-look-enter-trade-market/

    Is it too much of a pipe dream to wonder if the Oilers could somehow cobble together a trade? What would you offer?

    I am a believer in the Lowetide preachings; KEEP THE POWDER DRY. With that said, you always have to consider possible trades that can make the team better, now and in the future.

    Hamilton has this year and 2 more at $5.75mil per. According to WG, his fancies play out well, he is a LEGIT Top Pairing RHD and has offensive acumen to help the PP.

    Here is what I would consider. Trade for Hamilton. You would have to move out Sekera, Russell or Nurse to balance the cap. Probably have to throw in Yamamoto or a high end prospect.

    My thinking is this.

    LHD will be fine, especially with Jones progression. Really how many competent LHD can PC keep??? . This would allow our RHD to look as follows the next 2 years.

    HAMILTON
    LARSSON
    BOUCHARD

    I think this is EXCELLENT and allows Bouchard to be slow played.

    IF HAMILTON is as good as WG suggests, The Oilers would have one of the best D cores in NHL for the next 2 years.

    Once Hamilton is a UFA, you might have to move him if he is too pricey, but you would then get back some quality assets.

    That’s my 2 cents !!

  68. Side says:

    –hudson–: You’re absolutely right that McDavid was going to be in a vulnerable spot and I bet Lindholm planned it that way.But you can’t lay the body on a player that doesn’t have the puck, that’s interference, something we regularly complain about against McDavid.

    My preference would have been if Connor played it more like how Lucic played Montour before Drais goal.Don’t try to be first on the puck and hold off on contact until the play is closer to the boards.

    The way it went last night, both deserved a penalty.Two minutes to McDavid and either 2 or 5 minutes to Lindholm.

    You’re right, it could have been worse. McDavid could have been the only one to come out of that with a 2 minute penalty.

    Additionally (this bit isn’t directed at you, specifically), here’s a clip with the initial contact included

    https://streamable.com/3j7ph

    Here we see McDavid come shoulder to shoulder with Lindholm and then give him a shove to get between Lindholm and the puck.

    And then we can see Lindholm pause, wait, and then cross check in the back.

    I know it’s slower than in real time, but not sure how one can still make the case that Lindholm has an excuse for his cross check to McDavid’s back.

  69. Jordan says:

    jtblack: I am a believer in the Lowetide preachings; KEEP THE POWDER DRY.With that said, you always have to consider possible trades that can make the team better, now and in the future.

    Hamilton has this year and 2 more at $5.75mil per.According to WG, his fancies play out well, he is a LEGIT Top Pairing RHD and has offensive acumen to help the PP.

    Here is what I would consider.Trade for Hamilton.You would have to move out Sekera, Russell or Nurse to balance the cap.Probably have to throw in Yamamoto ora high end prospect.

    My thinking is this.

    LHD will be fine, especially with Jones progression.Really how many competent LHD can PC keep??? .This would allow our RHD to look as follows the next 2 years.

    HAMILTON
    LARSSON
    BOUCHARD

    I think this is EXCELLENT and allows Bouchard to be slow played.

    IF HAMILTON is as good as WG suggests, The Oilers would have one of the best D cores in NHL for the next 2 years.

    Once Hamilton is a UFA, you might have to move him if he is too pricey, but you would then get back some quality assets.

    That’s my 2 cents !!

    Hamilton seems to not last very long in any of the places that he plays in.

    I like the player, and the contract.

    I’m not sure I would want him until I better understood what’s up with the player and the short turn around on these moves.

    Carolina just gave up Lindholm and Hannifin for him less than a year ago. I find it shocking that they are looking at trading him at all right now.

    But then again, I kind of felt the same way about the Strome / Spooner trade, so…

    Maybe Waddell is a GM that Chia could make a not awful trade with?

    If it turns out there isn’t a backstory to Hamilton, I could see a Seksy / Yamo deal being possible, but it sounds like what the Canes want is a scorer. The Oilers don’t have a surfit of scoring wingers, and unless they were willing to do something like Lucic / Yamo / 2nd for Hamilton, I don’t see a way to make Hamilton’s money fit under the cap on the Oilers if they don’t want an Oilers D-man back.

    That also means we have a MOUNTAIN of money to pay on the back end, but maybe there’s a separate deal that moves Russell or Sekera out for either a depth forward or something on the front end.

    What might make more sense would be a good old fashion 3-way.

  70. Ice Sage says:

    Lindholm’s not a ‘dirty player’ other than being in the dirty duck soup. He’s skilled and quick. But not quick enough to contain McD (no one is) and had to resort to a dangerous hit. He should sit for a game or two, if this league was a just one.

    As an aside, McDavid isn’t just the fastest player but I think also is now rivaling Crosby as the sneakiest player in close at squeezing / banking / willing pucks into the net. Every shift a must-watch!

  71. tcho says:

    Party piper alert. Small sample size on Jones. Remember how do many people were touting Benning as a legit top 4d in his first year?

  72. v4ance says:

    McSorley33:
    Durag,

    Manning scratched and Petrovic has the least icetime of any defender. Keep up the good work Pete!
    ****************************************************************************************************************
    Yeah, to the surprise of nobody besides PC and a few other Oiler pro scouts – Manning
    found himself exactly where he was in Chicago, in the press box.

    Hitchcock has been shuffling players in and out of the lineup since he started on the job. Chiarelli has given him tons of options and he’s given every player lots of rope to play themselves into or out of the lineup. Jones and JP have improved and staying in the lineup. Spooner and Manning appear to be playing themselves off.

    I haven’t liked some of the choices but I think Hitch has tried his best to be fair and let the play on the ice decide who stays and who sits. A few more weeks and Hitch will settle on a fairly consistent every day lineup. Manning and Spooner might both be buyout candidates but either they pick their play, in their soon to be rare appearances, or they’re off the roster to Bakersfield and then out of the NHL at season’s end.

  73. Yegfoundation says:

    godot10: If the clip above is all you are watching, it is an incomplete take of the entire interaction.I am going to be a Devil’s Advocate.If you look at the full clip, McDavid initiated contact and then turned his back to Lindholm, making himself vulnerable.The play was also happening very quickly.The initial contact was shoulder to shoulder initiated by McDavid before McDavid exposed his own back.

    I seen it the same as you did GODOT. Agreed, that the GIF is not showing the full exchange. I do also value the response that the initial contact from McDavid doesn’t give the defender a free pass to apply the cross check. I’d be interested in the views of posters when viewing the complete exchange between the two players.

  74. bendelson says:

    tcho:
    Party piper alert. Small sample size on Jones. Remember how do many people were touting Benning as a legit top 4d in his first year?

    It appears many are wilfully ignoring the ‘players don’t develop in straight lines’ rule, when it comes to Jones…

  75. bendelson says:

    Yegfoundation: I seen it the same as you did GODOT. Agreed, that the GIF is not showing the full exchange.I do also value the response that the initial contact from McDavid doesn’t give the defender a free pass to apply the cross check. I’d be interested in the views of posters when viewing the complete exchange between the two players.

    I believe the contact initiated by McDavid was the excuse the referee needed to let the cross check go uncalled…

  76. DBO says:

    Anyone OK with a Manning for Maroon trade? Bring the big man back for the playoff run. Looks like he may be on the block.

  77. Professor Q says:

    barry.moore23: Is that one anything like The Devil’s Rejects ?? 🙂

    It is quite different, actually.

    Keanu Reeves and Al Pacino, lawyering it up.

  78. Professor Q says:

    Side: You’re right, it could have been worse.McDavid could have been the only one to come out of that with a 2 minute penalty.

    Additionally (this bit isn’t directed at you, specifically), here’s a clip with the initial contact included

    https://streamable.com/3j7ph

    Here we see McDavid come shoulder to shoulder with Lindholm and then give him a shove to get between Lindholm and the puck.

    And then we can see Lindholm pause, wait, and then cross check in the back.

    I know it’s slower than in real time, but not sure how one can still make the case that Lindholm has an excuse for his cross check to McDavid’s back.

    It’s weird. People see the sneaky elbow by Doughty and say that McDavid needs to play more dirty and also sell it more to the refs.

    But when he does (battling with Lindholm via interference and then washing Lindholm’s face) people say that it’s an excuse as to why he can have further uncalled punishment. The refs should not be thinking like this. They do.

    People make no sense. All of the plays should be called. No exceptions. No feelings by the refs. No gambling by the refs.

  79. giddy says:

    tcho:
    Party piper alert. Small sample size on Jones. Remember how do many people were touting Benning as a legit top 4d in his first year?

    Agreed. Plenty of good to fantastic signs with Jones, but there ain’t no guarantees.

    I’m not as down on Benning as most, and I think he’s a good example of how concussions can seriously effect the development of a player. I’ve never seen him as good/confident as he was prior to his concussion he suffered around the 40~ game mark of his career.

  80. Ribs says:

    bendelson: I believe the contact initiated by McDavid was the excuse the referee needed to let the cross check go uncalled…

    That’s exactly what happened. It’s just a good thing McDavid is excellent on his edges and didn’t catch a rut in the ice or anything. Dangerous cross check.

  81. gregsaint says:

    giddy,

    The NHL allows early contact though…early contact like that is almost never called. The way the NHL calls it, if players aren’t initiating contact before they get to the puck, then they are going to be losing battles. They have to do it.

  82. bendelson says:

    Ribs: That’s exactly what happened. It’s just a good thing McDavid is excellent on his edges and didn’t catch a rut in the ice or anything. Dangerous cross check.

    Absolutely.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    DBO:
    2019-2020 D corps

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Jones
    Russell-Bouchard
    Bear-Manning/Gravel

    Solid lineup. more skill and passing then we have had in a long time. Sekera traded, bought out, etc. and Benning trade bait at deadline this year to get scoring help.

    I would slot Evan Bouchard in to the Condors’ lineup to start the season – while I hesitate to think the organization will allow the player the privilege to develop outside the NHL, with the influx of potential NHL ready options for the right side (Bear, Berglund, Persson), they may have the luxury (and hopefully the smarts).

    I know Jones has played a ton of right side since he turned pro but I’d ideally like him on his natural side.

    I, in no way, am ready to discount Andrej Sekera, in particular with a buyout – he’s such a good hockey player I don’t imagine that his game will be so bad it warrants a buyout. There is still ample reason to believe he will be an effective 2nd pairing guy.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    knighttown:
    That left defense is going to be one interesting position in the next couple of years.

    In, say, 2020-21, what will be the order of these three defense?

    Klefbom, Jones, Nurse?

    And that assumes Sekera doesn’t make it back and Russell plays the right.

    Not to mention Willie Lagesson, who could be an option as early as next season, and Samorukov who will be a second year pro at that time.

  85. McSorley33 says:

    v4ance,

    I haven’t liked some of the choices but I think Hitch has tried his best to be fair and let the play on the ice decide who stays and who sits. A few more weeks and Hitch will settle on a fairly consistent every day lineup. Manning and Spooner might both be buyout candidates but either they pick their play, in their soon to be rare appearances, or they’re off the roster to Bakersfield and then out of the NHL at season’s end.
    *************************************************************************************************
    Out of the NHL at season’s end?

    If only it was that easy….

  86. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    razor:
    It’s been said that Yawney wants to keep Jones at LD because it is his natural side, so this lineup is going to work. I suggest:

    Klefbom Larsson
    Nurse Russell
    Jones Petrovic

    Don’t like the idea off putting the rook on his off side.

    Agree. my preference would be to play him on his natural side. BUT he was played in Bako on his off side due to Leftorium (and his skating skills and organizational GAPs on RHD)…so he has some experience there…and I think he moves the puck better than Russ, so my desire is to see him stay in the top 4….also agree with others, no straight line of development for D, so this may not last – but if he continues to “hold his own” in the top 4; keep him there til he needs a re-set in the 3rd pairing or Bako…

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jordan:
    Completely missed the game last night.After Saturday… I just couldn’t be bothered.

    You missed some wonderful storylines, plays, performances, etc. – watching Caleb Jones play so splendidly in his 10th NHL game – reason enough to tune in.

    As I keep saying, everyone is free to “fan as they want” but I just can’t understand the mindset of “can’t be bothered” to watch my favorite sports team.

    How would I be able to have a conversation about, let say, how Caleb Jones looks, where he might fit in for the rest of this year and next year and his ceiling, if I choose not to watch Oilers games?

    How can I continue to change my opinion of the value to this team of Kris Russell, if I choose not to watch Oilers games?

  88. Lois Lowe says:

    Caleb Jones is on a Theo Peckham-like run.

  89. Ryan says:

    DBO:
    Anyone OK with a Manning for Maroon trade? Bring the big man back for the playoff run. Looks like he may be on the block.

    They only GM willing to trade for the Manning contract currently runs the Oilers.

    Maroon has an expiring contract. I can’t see why Doug Armstrong would make that deal.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    DBO:
    Anyone OK with a Manning for Maroon trade? Bring the big man back for the playoff run. Looks like he may be on the block.

    Reducing this year’s cap hit, adding a player that has had recent success here (in an area of need) and, most importantly, getting rid of Manning’s cap hit for next season?

    Why is STL taking on the Manning contract?

  91. treevojo says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Caleb Jones is on a Theo Peckham-like run.

    Did you see him at the drive-thru?

  92. Munny says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Caleb Jones is on a Theo Peckham-like run.

    I’m not sure Theo ever ran… well except to the burger stand, lol.

    Good to see you post, Lois.

  93. northerndancer says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Caleb Jones is on a Theo Peckham-like run.

    Theo Peckham played 160 games in the toughest league in the world. When I watched him play his teammates seemed to enjoy the tough game he brought to the rink. I suspect that you would like to share your critical ‘analysis’ with him in person should you be so lucky to meet him.

    Caleb Jones may or may not meet the standard for a top pairing D as his career unrolls but he sure is making a case to be given a chance. By all eyes and stats and by his coaches who probably know a wee bit more than do I. And to be judged as a hockey player a little further down the road.

  94. Jethro Tull says:

    Apparently, Todd Bertuzzi was justified in breaking Steve Moore’s back because Moore was running around like an idiot.

    Wait! What do you mean that’s not the same thing? Well, it seems the only difference was that Connor was able to stand up afterwards and poor Steve Moore wasn’t.

    Did it occur to anyone that if the ref called the fouls then it wouldn’t even have got that far?

    One player interferes with another, because you never know, the refs have been letting things go. Player then cross-checks another into the boards head first, because you never know, the refs have been letting things go. See the problem here?

  95. ArmchairGM says:

    bendelson: It appears many are wilfully ignoring the ‘players don’t develop in straight lines’ rule, when it comes to Jones…

    Yeah, Nurse is expendable because Jones has played 10 NHL games…

  96. Munny says:

    northerndancer,

    She made no critique of Peckham’s game.

    Unlike those of us who dogpiled onto her comment… I’m looking at you, Treevojo!

  97. giddy says:

    Teddy Pecks was a beaut. I don’t care what anyone else says.

  98. Jethro Tull says:

    northerndancer: Theo Peckham played 160 games in the toughest league in the world.When I watched him play his teammates seemed to enjoy the tough game he brought to the rink.I suspect that you would like to share your critical ‘analysis’ with him in person should you be so lucky to meet him.

    Caleb Jones may or may not meet the standard for a top pairing D as his career unrolls but he sure is making a case to be given a chance. By all eyes and stats and by his coaches who probably know a wee bit more than do I. And to be judged as a hockey player a little further down the road.

    There you go. Don’t criticize Teddy Peckham or he may do something vague to you if you ever meet.

  99. Side says:

    Theo Peckham went to the Baccarat Casino quite a bit.

    That’s all I got.

  100. treevojo says:

    Munny:
    northerndancer,

    She made no critique of Peckham’s game.

    Unlike those of us who dogpiled onto her comment… I’m looking at you, Treevojo!

    Lmao

    I loved Theo when he played for the Oil.

    I don’t think that should stop a person from cracking a few jokes there Dancer.

    Current player/coaches/managers and more on the oilers consistently take a beating on here daily.

    I don’t think former players should be excluded.

    Plus it was funny.

  101. YKOil says:

    Pulju is a keeper imo. Would trade Yamo before Pulju.

    Carolina is begging for scoring, and goaltending, so that is why they are dangling a d-man like Hamilton (they are much deeper at defense). Rask has regressed mightily, Stall is injured and Williams is 37 years old. Pulju is a guy they would love to get as he would be a key part of the Aho – Svechnikov – Teravainen – Slavin – Necas group – which is a nice group of players btw.

    Before I would consider a trade of Pulju for Hamilton (packaged however you want it to be) I would really need to know that Hamilton wasn’t carried by Giordano last year – Gio is legit and he and Gaudreau are the two that drive that team imo.

    Would work hard on a Spooner to Carolina trade, even if I had to eat the rest of the 50% of salary (some $1.1 million) that can be retained and take in a bad salary from them (not sure who though – other than Rask and Darling they are pretty lean). Carolina then gets to take a fairly low cost flier ($2 million) on a guy who may have some offensive chops (somewhere).

    As far as Manning and Petrovic, both guys cannot carry a pairing. Petrovic is the better d-man imo and the RH thing helps but putting them together is just asking for problems. Both players absolutely HAVE to paired with someone who makes up for their deficiencies (slower boots overall, not great puck carriers and average, at best, passers). Hence Gravel, better in all three categories than Manning, was a better match for Petrovic. The Manning deal STILL fills me with the anger.

    Bouchard should stay in the AHL for a full year or more imo.

    Beating the Ducks is always good. It really, really is. Goilers!

  102. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jordan,

    From what i saw of the highlights, and what I see from the numbers, it sure looks like a game where the Oilers had an okay game, got some breaks with pucks going in off of some flukie rebounds in front of the net, and Cam decided he still wants to get paid next year.

    I’d characterize it as “finally Oilers went to the net without the puck and were rewarded”

    This team consistently fails to go to the net without the puck and miss out on the garbage goals that made men like Smyth, Hartnell, Franzen etc a lot of money.

    NHL Dmen are too good to rely on deft passing for all your goals. Sometimes if they aren’t giving you anything, put it on the net when you have people at the net.

    More of that please.

  103. Wilde says:

    Draft people, Jeremy Davis released his winter rankings this morning and as usual, they’re Very Fucking Good.

    https://canucksarmy.com/2019/01/07/2019-nhl-draft-jeremys-winter-rankings/

    Kaliyev’s has an insane xLS (expected likelihood of success), similarly insane top-six xLS (same thing but top-six, this is the first time I’ve seen him use this, very very interesting) and 5v5 primary involvement %

    I agree with:

    – The relative placement of the USHL crop based on production (I’m lower on them than most rankings)

    – Krebs, Suzuki and Kaliyev in the top-10

    – Podkolzin outside the top-10

    – Broberg outside the first round

    – Leason outside the first round

    Disagree with:

    – Byram at 5 (I don’t have a D-man in the top-10

    – Kokkonen as the 5th ranked D

    – Newhook at 15 (BCHLers are spooky)

    – Lavoie above Boldy

    – Soderstrom in the 1st round

    – McMichael at 27 (I have him in a cluster mid-teens)

    – Bobby Brink outside the first round (see above)

    Aaanyways if you’re interested in the draft read it and all of his stuff. So good.

  104. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Interesting to look at the goalie stats with McLellan / Hitchcock too:

    Under McLellan
    Koskinen 4-2-0-02.60 GAA / .917 SP
    Talbot5-8-0-13.31 GAA / .888 SP

    Under Hitchcock
    Koskinen 8-6-0-12.66 GAA / .914 SP
    Talbot 3-3-0-12.72 GAA / .915 SP

    Koskinen’s play has stayed pretty much the same, but Talbot has done much better under Hitchcock.

    Iirc it’s mostly due to both Talbot and Koskinen’s 4v5 SV% regressing.

    Kosk was and unreal ~.945 and Talbot ~.780.

    Kosk went down, Talbot up

  105. Jordan says:

    OriginalPouzar: You missed some wonderful storylines, plays, performances, etc. – watching Caleb Jones play so splendidly in his 10th NHL game – reason enough to tune in.

    As I keep saying, everyone is free to “fan as they want” but I just can’t understand the mindset of “can’t be bothered” to watch my favorite sports team.

    How would I be able to have a conversation about, let say, how Caleb Jones looks, where he might fit in for the rest of this year and next year and his ceiling, if I choose not to watch Oilers games?

    How can I continue to change my opinion of the value to this team of Kris Russell, if I choose not to watch Oilers games?

    It’s much more difficult to speak with authority about anything Oilers when I don’t watch all the games. But, over the last 10 years I’ve come to find the Oilers as an exercise in experiential learning about my own emotional wellbeing. I greatly enjoy the endorphin rush I get when the team is playing well and winning. I greatly dislike the stress reaction I have when the team is playing poorly or losing.

    When the team is consistently playing poorly, or I expect them to play poorly, I avoid watching the games, because I don’t like feeling like shit. Its emotionally draining for me, and I become much less enjoyable to be around for my friends and family.

    When the team is consistently playing well, and I can watch them play well, I enjoy watching the games because I feel better having watched them. Its emotionally fulfilling for me, and I become much more enjoyable to be around for my friends and family.

    This weekend I was spending the entire weekend with my family, and after watching 10 minutes game time of the LA game, I decided I wasn’t watching any more Oilers hockey.

    My weekend with my wife and daughters was great.

    I probably would have enjoyed watching the Oilers beat the ducks, but I wasn’t going to risk being a Debbie downer all weekend with my family for it.

  106. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    pts2pndr: Give it a break! We have a good game and something positive and you have to drag us under your bridge? It would be nice to just live in the moment! We as fans deserve a good day!

    If comments like this make you angry perhaps you shouldn’t frequent a blog where the denizens dissect the game to its smallest parts and opine upon them rather than rail against those who come here to do just that.

    If you’re happy being angry then by all means rail away at will.

    We’re all here for ourselves.

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack,

    Hamilton has this year and 2 more at $5.75mil per. According to WG, his fancies play out well, he is a LEGIT Top Pairing RHD and has offensive acumen to help the PP.

    I’m not sold on Hamilton as 1RD.

    I think he’s be a great 2RD with a smart, physical LHD

    He’d also be great on 1PP

  108. bendelson says:

    Wilde,

    Lots of variables and things can/will certainly change from now until June… but if I was placing a bet today on who the Oilers will draft in June, it’s Peyton Krebs.

  109. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    tcho:
    Party piper alert. Small sample size on Jones. Remember how do many people were touting Benning as a legit top 4d in his first year?

    I don’t remember many touting Benning as legit top 4.

    I remember many being happy he was doing well in 3rd pair minutes and doing well at 2RD when he was with Sekera.

    Can you link to specific comments because I remember things much, much differently than you do.

  110. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    jtblack,

    Hamilton has this year and 2 more at $5.75mil per. According to WG, his fancies play out well, he is a LEGIT Top Pairing RHD and has offensive acumen to help the PP.

    I’m not sold on Hamilton as 1RD.

    I think he’s be a great 2RD with a smart, physical LHD

    He’d also be great on 1PP

    What would you give up for Hamilton?

  111. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    jtblack,

    Hamilton has this year and 2 more at $5.75mil per. According to WG, his fancies play out well, he is a LEGIT Top Pairing RHD and has offensive acumen to help the PP.

    I’m not sold on Hamilton as 1RD.

    I think he’s be a great 2RD with a smart, physical LHD

    He’d also be great on 1PP

    He’s opposite Larsson.

  112. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    bendelson: It appears many are wilfully ignoring the ‘players don’t develop in straight lines’ rule, when it comes to Jones…

    Or they are seeing his skating and decision making, comparing it to all the other Dmen they’ve seen at the same age and projecting him within context.

  113. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde: He’s opposite Larsson.

    Eaxctly.

    I agree with Jordan though.

    BOS, CGY and now CAR looking to move him sets off large flashing red lights and various klaxons.

  114. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I don’t remember many touting Benning as legit top 4.

    I remember many being happy he was doing well in 3rd pair minutes and doing well at 2RD when he was with Sekera.

    Can you link to specific comments because I remember things much, much differently than you do.

    I don’t recall the word “legit”, but I think there was an opinion after his first season, that if he continued his development then he definitely have top 4 potential. May still do, straight lines and all that.

    Jones looks a little different. He may actually be finding it easier to be playing here. Better systems, better players, more intuitive for him. He’ll still get schooled. Maybe not as many times by plugs like Clifford though. He seems to be able to remember what burnt him the previous game, unlike others on the team.

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    DBO:
    Anyone OK with a Manning for Maroon trade? Bring the big man back for the playoff run. Looks like he may be on the block.

    If you’re ok with drugging Armstrong so he agrees to it.

  116. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Eaxctly.

    I agree with Jordan though.

    BOS, CGY and now CAR looking to move him sets off large flashing red lights and various klaxons.

    Outscores Larsson by a bit. Maybe it’s not a hockey problem?

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wasn’t listening today but, I’ve read that Bob mentioned that Klef could return on January 19.

  118. Bling says:

    Caleb Jones is having the most impressive debut of an Oiler D prospect since, IMO, Tom Gilbert.

    Gilbert started his career 12 GP, 1 G and 5 A with a -1 rating. He was 23 years old in his rookie season and coming off a 4 year collegiate career. My memory of Gilbert was that he was so good at jumping into the play off the cycle. Great passer and skater as well, who ended up playing 655 regular season NHL games.

    Jones is doing something comparable at 21. He’s top 4 caliber right now.

  119. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: Outscores Larsson by a bit.Maybe it’s not a hockey problem?

    His RelTGF% is negative this year playing a lot of 3RD.

    He played with Chara in BOS and Gio and CGY.

    I expected him to kill his minutes in CAR, but goal wise the other team scores a lot when he’s on the ice in softer minutes.

  120. Bling says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I believed that Benning could handle top 4 minutes based on the quality of his numbers in a bottom pairing role when healthy. I was proven wrong on that front.

    Jones is a different animal. He is a plus skater and plus passer. He’s top 4 quality right now.

  121. Doug McLachlan says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    jtblack,

    Hamilton has this year and 2 more at $5.75mil per. According to WG, his fancies play out well, he is a LEGIT Top Pairing RHD and has offensive acumen to help the PP.

    I’m not sold on Hamilton as 1RD.

    I think he’s be a great 2RD with a smart, physical LHD

    He’d also be great on 1PP

    Sounds like a Nurse-Hamilton pairing would be ideal.

    Of course…

  122. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Caleb Jones is on a Theo Peckham-like run.

    He’s eating a lot of fried potatoes in cream sauce?

  123. bendelson says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Or they are seeing his skating and decision making, comparing it to all the other Dmen they’ve seen at the same age and projecting him within context.

    I hope they are right.

  124. Wilde says:

    bendelson:
    Wilde,

    Lots of variables and things can/will certainly change from now until June… but if I was placing a bet today on who the Oilers will draft in June, it’s Peyton Krebs.

    That’d be pretty good. He’s doing a lot in a bad situation, it’ll be interesting to see how that’s perceived given that Dellandrea got drafted at #13 without hitting a point-per-game scoring rate because of the perception of Flint.

    I only buy team strength as a major modifier with a CHL prospect when it’s literally the guys they’re playing with and it’s stark.

    For example, if a guy’s on a bad team but he played with two 6’4″ 20-year-olds at even strength and a powerplay that’s run through someone else, he’s not hurtin’. In fact, the ice-time and opportunity from belonging to the only strong unit of the team may actually inflate scoring rates.

    With Krebs, he’s the only guy producing.

    My worry with him is the 5v5 scoring rate. He’s only at 0.5 primary pts per game 5v5.

    If him and Kaliyev are both on the board, I’m going Kaliyev. He’s all finish and this team is deficient. We need a winger who shoots volume at double-digits shooting percentage every year. Kaliyev has the highest 5v5 exG/60 and the highest actual G/60 in the OHL, U18, as a June Birthday.

  125. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo: Lmao

    I loved Theo when he played for the Oil.

    I don’t think that should stop a person from cracking a few jokes there Dancer.

    Current player/coaches/managers and more on the oilers consistently take a beating on here daily.

    I don’t think former players should be excluded.

    Plus it was funny.

    Exactly

  126. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock: What would you give up for Hamilton?

    That depends.

    Not JP.

    He’s going to be a piss cutter.

  127. Jordan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I wasn’t listening today but, I’ve read that Bob mentioned that Klef could return on January 19.

    Oh, that would be smashing! I’ll be at the Calgary game, and Klefbom… well….

    …He’s so dreamy… His Corsi, Corsi Rel, Fenwick, and Fenwick Rel are all so.. impressively large.

    I hear he looks alright for a swede too.

  128. Ryan says:

    dustrock: What would you give up for Hamilton?

    If Carolina trades Hamilton, you’re looking at Nuge as a starting point.

  129. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That depends.

    Not JP.

    He’s going to be a piss cutter.

    Great! When? And for who?

  130. Wilde says:

    While we’re Jonesing out I’ll add my favourite part about him:

    How far away from his own net he makes stops.

    Tons of them.

    At the OZ blue line, he keeps the puck in and pinches often and well.

    At the OZ blue line to red line area he steps into area passes and denies them.

    At the red line to DZ blueline area he closes gaps safely and effectively. (waiting on CS’s data on this)

    This team has real trouble breaking out once they cede the zone (if ANA was ANY good at all they’d have gotten more inside shots off last night) and Jones is the main guy stopping any of that from happening in the first place.

    Also, doing more Kaliyev research and I went to check out his OHL peer-group at 5v5 in 2017-18.

    He had 2.47 shots per game, next closest was 1.57.

    1.45 exG/60, next closest 0.95.

    26 actual goals, next closest 13.

    There are rankings where he’s not in the first round.

  131. Professor Q says:

    Wilde,

    Kaliyev and Maksimov could be quite the additions when they’re ready for NHL play together. Centred by McLeod?

    The North Americanised Russian Line (one from the U.S.A., the other from Canada!).

    With our Forsberg-Sakic or Kariya-Selanne in McDavid-Draisaitl/Pulujärvi/Nuge remaining intact.

  132. dustrock says:

    Ryan: If Carolina trades Hamilton, you’re looking at Nuge as a starting point.

    Not if they’re trading him halfway through the year after giving up what they did to Calgary.

  133. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack: I am a believer in the Lowetide preachings; KEEP THE POWDER DRY.With that said, you always have to consider possible trades that can make the team better, now and in the future.

    Hamilton has this year and 2 more at $5.75mil per.According to WG, his fancies play out well, he is a LEGIT Top Pairing RHD and has offensive acumen to help the PP.

    Here is what I would consider.Trade for Hamilton.You would have to move out Sekera, Russell or Nurse to balance the cap.Probably have to throw in Yamamoto ora high end prospect.

    My thinking is this.

    LHD will be fine, especially with Jones progression.Really how many competent LHD can PC keep??? .This would allow our RHD to look as follows the next 2 years.

    HAMILTON
    LARSSON
    BOUCHARD

    I think this is EXCELLENT and allows Bouchard to be slow played.

    IF HAMILTON is as good as WG suggests, The Oilers would have one of the best D cores in NHL for the next 2 years.

    Once Hamilton is a UFA, you might have to move him if he is too pricey, but you would then get back some quality assets.

    That’s my 2 cents !!

    This is my thinking as well. LT said as well that Pollock said whomever gets the best player in the deal wins the trade.

    As long as you get the best player and don’t overpay it makes sense. The qualifier here is why does nobody want Hamilton? Established first pair RD don’t get traded often, Hamilton is up for 3 in a few seasons.

    If it’s Nurse and something not horrible the team is probably better now and later. Depends on the skill of the Oiler negotiator. Oh oh.

  134. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That depends.

    Not JP.

    He’s going to be a piss cutter.

    Comparing him to Tkachuk reminds me of the Taylor Tyler sweepstakes. Taylor would be more impactful sooner, Tyler the better player long run and a centre. I think Tyler is better now.

    JP will be a better overall player than Tkachuk. If he can find his inner Vikiing maybe tougher as well.

  135. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: This is my thinking as well. LT said as well that Pollock said whomever gets the best player in the deal wins the trade.

    As long as you get the best player and don’t overpay it makes sense. The qualifier here is why does nobody want Hamilton? Established first pair RD don’t get traded often, Hamilton is up for 3 in a few seasons.

    If it’s Nurse and something not horrible the team is probably better now and later. Depends on the skill of the Oiler negotiator. Oh oh.

    Late to the party, again!!

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jordan: It’s much more difficult to speak with authority about anything Oilers when I don’t watch all the games.But, over the last 10 years I’ve come to find the Oilers as an exercise in experiential learning about my own emotional wellbeing.I greatly enjoy the endorphin rush I get when the team is playing well and winning.I greatly dislike the stress reaction I have when the team is playing poorly or losing.

    When the team is consistently playing poorly, or I expect them to play poorly, I avoid watching the games, because I don’t like feeling like shit.Its emotionally draining for me, and I become much less enjoyable to be around for my friends and family.

    When the team is consistently playing well, and I can watch them play well, I enjoy watching the games because I feel better having watched them.Its emotionally fulfilling for me, and I become much more enjoyable to be around for my friends and family.

    This weekend I was spending the entire weekend with my family, and after watching 10 minutes game time of the LA game, I decided I wasn’t watching any more Oilers hockey.

    My weekend with my wife and daughters was great.

    I probably would have enjoyed watching the Oilers beat the ducks, but I wasn’t going to risk being a Debbie downer all weekend with my family for it.

    Fair enough – if you can’t remove your day to day emotions from the Oilers most recent performance, I would posit that its not healthy for you to watch sports and get emotionally invested.

    My mood used to change based on how the Oilers performed and how they were performing generally – similar to how you describe.

    While I care about the Oilers as much now, at 42, as I ever have and spend just as much time (actually likely more) in matters related to the Oilers, I simply don’t allow poor games, poor stretches, poor decades to dictate my mood. Saturday night was very disappointing. I watched the entire game, disapointed but not “in a bad mood” – I slept 2 hours before my 2:45am workout, had a fantastic workout and a great Sunday with the wife. I was excited all day for a planned date with the wife followed by watching my favorite team play again.

    That’s just me though – I’ve grown out of allowing the Oilers to negatively affect my moods generally. At the same time, I guarantee that, when they do win the cup, it will create as much euphoria for me as it every would have.

  137. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    jtblack,

    Hamilton has this year and 2 more at $5.75mil per. According to WG, his fancies play out well, he is a LEGIT Top Pairing RHD and has offensive acumen to help the PP.

    I’m not sold on Hamilton as 1RD.

    I think he’s be a great 2RD with a smart, physical LHD

    He’d also be great on 1PP

    And with respect, did not mean to put words in your mouth. I “thought” you had him LEGIT #1 guy. But that could have been GIO pumpiing him up ..

    Short of a substance abuse problem, I would take a crack at Hamilton.

    Legit 40+ point RHD .. Carolina sewers a lot of players stats ….

    The Oilers usually sell Low, Buy high. This is a chance, with RISK, to buy low …

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    I look forward to this in a few weeks:

    Klefbom/Larsson
    Nurse/Russell
    Gravel/Jones

    If the second pairing starts to struggle and Jones is still looking good, we could see

    Klefbom/Larsson
    Nurse/Jones
    Gravel Russell

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    When singing the praises of Jones, I would posit we should whisper the praises of Dave Manson….

  140. tileguy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Eaxctly.

    I agree with Jordan though.

    BOS, CGY and now CAR looking to move him sets off large flashing red lights and various klaxons.

    I looked it up, klaxon would be a good word to use in scrabble.

  141. tcho says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    WG – I think you’re right. I’m exaggerating. My memory is that people were very high on Benning and thought he had top 4 promise.

  142. Wilde says:

    Professor Q:
    Wilde,

    Kaliyev and Maksimov could be quite the additions when they’re ready for NHL play together. Centred by McLeod?

    The North Americanised Russian Line (one from the U.S.A., the other from Canada!).

    With our Forsberg-Sakic or Kariya-Selanne in McDavid-Draisaitl/Pulujärvi/Nuge remaining intact.

    Probably have to be centred by Draisaitl or McDavid.

    The guy does not pass. Did I mention that?

    He absolutely needs a possession driver and a distributor to be the special player he could be

    Which makes him a perfect fit for the three-centre model down the line.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    I love me some Jesse Puljujarvi and I think he’s going to be an important player for this organization for the next decade, playing in all situations, however, I can’t without bias, at this stage, agree that he’s going to be a better overall player than another player drafted at the same time that is currently on pace for 36G and 93P while not playing on his team’s top line who is also tasked with shooting down the opposition’s top lines (tough minutes).

    Oh, and efff Matt Tkachuk!

  144. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bling:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I believed that Benning could handle top 4 minutes based on the quality of his numbers in a bottom pairing role when healthy. I was proven wrong on that front.

    Jones is a different animal. He is a plus skater and plus passer. He’s top 4 quality right now.

    To me this is key and why Jones euphoria is high and not misplaced although nothing is certain.

    Jones has all of the boxes checked except typical NHL size for a non elite D. It’s players that have a bad combination of abilities that are dubious.

    If players have top level skating and think the game well, have enough drive and jam, they will succeed to a decent level at least if healthy and given opportunity. To me smaller players need plus skating and the ability to consistently get points as a basis.

    If Benning was a plus skater it would be different for him. It matters a lot. He’s not and also isn’t a high point producer. He plays hard but that gets him hurt. Because of his skating his passing effectiveness is dependent heavily on his partner.

    Cagguila is as far as he is because he’s fast. Rattie is where he is because he isn’t a strong skater despite being more talented and willing to be physical now. Neither are strong defensively.

    Pajaarvi has had a better career than Yak. Simply because big and fast and capable in some parts of the game. If Yak was explosively fast and had the edges to match he’d still be in the league. But he doesn’t and couldn’t outscore his Ovi fantasies.

  145. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I love me some Jesse Puljujarvi and I think he’s going to be an important player for this organization for the next decade, playing in all situations, however, I can’t without bias, at this stage, agree that he’s going to be a better overall player than another player drafted at the same time that is currently on pace for 36G and 93P while not playing on his team’s top line who is also tasked with shooting down the opposition’s top lines (tough minutes).

    Oh, and efff Matt Tkachuk!

    Who is he scoring against? Because Hockey is seeing the top comp on the road for sure. Maybe not at home. He’s a good player no doubt. I hope JP punks him soon. On the ice.

  146. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    When singing the praises of Jones, I would posit we should whisper the praises of Dave Manson….

    He’s a D whisperer for sure, no choice.

  147. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    That’s quite a bit ahead of schedule no? Great news if he is.

  148. pts2pndr says:

    giddy:
    Teddy Pecks was a beaut. I don’t care what anyone else says.

    He was in my opinion what I call a very honest hockey player who always gave his best and was a good team mate! You can never fault someone for that!

  149. Glovjuice says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Watching that clip from last night of McDavid getting hit from behind make me sick. Why does the NHL continue to allow star players to be consistently mauled?

    I haven’t seen one post or MSM comment making note that 97 jumped towards the Duck player high towards the head right before said dangerous play to the boards.

  150. Glovjuice says:

    Glovjuice: I haven’t seen one post or MSM comment making note that 97 jumped towards the Duck player high towards the head right before said dangerous play to the boards.

    Just saw the Hudson post at 11:15.

  151. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    He did mention that. Also thinks the oilers could add 1 or 2 forwards if they remain in the hunt. Mentioned Benning and the 1st rounder as assets.

  152. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Caleb Jones was sensational last night, even if we don’t look at the two assists – a very good game.

    I am going to “calm my tits” a bit as we’ve seen many many many many times over the years, even this year, a player with a really strong start to his NHL career but then regresses to my normal expectations.

    So far so good for Jones and, I’ve always been of the position, that players can often perform better in the NHL than the AHL due to the players around them being better (in the right position, with better timing, more skilled, etc.).

    Not so Bold Prediction

    Jones fits the new NHL game perfectly, he is a plus plus skater, has vision, and is a sublime passer……hmm who knew that is what it takes to play in the NHL these days……he will never see another AHL game

    Bear on the other hand is a very average skater and he has a ton of work to do, I won’t look for him in the show any time soon..

  153. Dustylegnd says:

    Doug McLachlan: Sounds like a Nurse-Hamilton pairing would be ideal.

    Of course…

    You will notice h

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    OriginalPouzar,

    He did mention that. Also thinks the oilers could add 1 or 2 forwards if they remain in the hunt. Mentioned Benning and the 1st rounder as assets.

    Gosh, that first rounder should not be in play, in particular not for a rental. That first rounder should only be in play for a youngish player, at a position of need, with term, a real hockey trade and any such trade would need to have essentially equal cap going out.

    I don’t see management trading that first rounder, even with the “job on the line” circumstances.

  155. Ryan says:

    dustrock: Not if they’re trading him halfway through the year after giving up what they did to Calgary.

    Yeah, that’s the advantage of having a good roster. You can use it to good effect to polish a turd.

    Most, myself included thought Treliving got taken to the woodshed on the Hamilton trade.

    We were wrong.

  156. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Gosh, that first rounder should not be in play, in particular not for a rental.That first rounder should only be in play for a youngish player, at a position of need, with term, a real hockey trade and any such trade would need to have essentially equal cap going out.

    I don’t see management trading that first rounder, even with the “job on the line” circumstances.

    Agreed. I would probably be more willing to trade the first than most people, but it has to be for a player with term and not a rental.

  157. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ryan: Yeah, that’s the advantage of having a good roster. You can use it to good effect to polish a turd.

    Most, myself included thought Treliving got taken to the woodshed on the Hamilton trade.

    We were wrong.

    Myself as well.

  158. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – So LT is a big man: He punted me from this site for awhile for cause. I learned a good lesson. LT is a modern day Montainge. I am a francophile and I am not sure how to translate this but Montagine was fond of saying the he “paints” In french his quote was ” Je vais me peindre tout nu et tout entier”

    – LT’s loves to “paint” the Oilers. I disabused LT by trying to conflate his paintings with opinions may or may not be his. His role is to paint pictures, and we get to comment on them

    – I thank LT (and those posters who reached out to LT, and me, to give guidance, I am thankful) for allowing me to return: I was on Yeti’s couch, i was with Monks in silence, and at my condo in Miami with my family, my tow kids and wife who is expecting a third!

    – Without rancour I hope to continue here, and be the best version of myself to the community. I miss posting, and it’s been an interesting exercise to read, and not speak. So I’m going to have at ‘er:!

    – No big surprise coming from me but I think the trades for Wideman and Manning for a 3rd and Cagss, and two D’s who are no longer in the NHL made sense: With Sek, Russell and Klef out, they tried to improve a bit by getting rid of players who weren’t going to make it here

    – Standing pat with a decimated D made no sense. Sure we wish for better D in trades, but I think they had to do this.

    – When Klef and Russel went down (and Sek’s return seemingly delayed), at best, the team could hope for hovering around untill some of them return.

    – We are a win away from being tied for last wild-card spot with a game in hand: before injuries we were maybe 3-4 points in the “clear”

    – At the time of injuries I said at best we could hover around contention, and hope the D comes back, and Hitch gets the team on another streak when healthy

    – Pool is emergin, Jones been a revelation, Chiasson is back, Talobt is playing for his career, Kssian is getting chances to be either traded or Maroon v. 3.0 and we are hanging tough: this is us.

    – Chia knows the drill, and if we don’t make the playoffs, he’s likely done with only one playoff appearance in 4 years of CmD.

    – But if this team can make the playoffs, and everyone marinates in development, we are in good shape going forward IMO.

    – I think this team in the playoffs is scary, and I hope they continue with CmD, Drai and Nuge as 3 C’s: that’s the future and how we win cups.

    – I’m not sure if this translates properly but LT kind os tlks about this. Montinge said ” Nothing is so firmly believed as what we least know.”

    – I don’t know what is going to happen to this team, I don’t know who Chia leans on when making trades for other D from his scouting department.

    – I’m scared that if Katz punts Chia: who is in his circle who knows what is best: certainly Wayne and Lowe and MacT and Howson aren’t good hockey people

    – Just as it was best for Kruger to get some help as coach, it would be great to get some smart whipper-snppers who could grow into the role of GM a la Dubas.

    – We should all fear Chia getting punted and replaced by someone else just because Chia now sucks (as MacT did before, and Lowe before that). The next GM in the current structure isn’t a panacea in a vacuum. We should all be asking better questions

    – End of long re-admission. When Chia was hired my first comment was along the lines of Chia with the existing management structure and no power to clean house and MacT as his #2 is a problem. Firing Chia and not cleaning house is not the solution: it just isn’t.

    – Thanks for reading and it’s nice to be back.

  159. Drew says:

    Ryan: If Carolina trades Hamilton, you’re looking at Nuge as a starting point.

    I can’t see that. Moving him this early in his time in Carolina suggests his play is not what they expected or there is more going on.

    He might be in the diminished asset class at the moment. I suspect we would need to start with one of our own diminished assets (not names Milan) and add a draft pick (second?)

  160. Drew says:

    Dustylegnd: Not so Bold Prediction

    Jones fits the new NHL game perfectly, he is a plus plus skater, has vision, and is a sublime passer……hmm who knew that is what it takes to play in the NHL these days……he will never see another AHL game

    Bear on the other hand is a very average skater and he has a ton of work to do, I won’t look for him in the show any time soon..

    Seem to recall Bear being described as a better puck mover than C Jones but not as good a skater or defender.

  161. Bling says:

    Drew: I can’t see that. Moving him this early in his time in Carolina suggests his play is not what they expected or there is more going on.

    He might be in the diminished asset class at the moment. I suspect we would need to start with one of our own diminished assets (not names Milan) and add a draft pick (second?)

    Flames look like they absolutely torched Carolina on that trade.

    Lindholm is the goods, a legit first liner signed to a sweetheart contract, and Hanifin has taken a step forward this year at age 21. Looks like he’s on track to be a good first pairing D, if not a very good 2nd pairing guy.

    That being said, I absolutely think Hamilton can bounce back and become a top pairing guy.

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Hamilton
    Jones – Russell

    That is championship caliber.

  162. danny says:

    I’d love to have the confidence in JP that some of you have, but I just do not see anything to be hopeful over yet. Maybe it will come? But right now he’s looking like MPS 2.0… he should be called The Muffin Man because he throws muffins at the net as soon as humanly possible. The game is moving at Mach 3 for him and I don’t think he will ever catch up to it.

    I really hope I am wrong on that… please.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    Martin Jones in net tonight for the Sharks which likely means we see Aaron Dell tomorrow.

    Neither goalie has been very good this year but the Sharks are scoring alot of goals right now….

  164. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: You missed some wonderful storylines, plays, performances, etc. – watching Caleb Jones play so splendidly in his 10th NHL game – reason enough to tune in.

    As I keep saying, everyone is free to “fan as they want” but I just can’t understand the mindset of “can’t be bothered” to watch my favorite sports team.

    How would I be able to have a conversation about, let say, how Caleb Jones looks, where he might fit in for the rest of this year and next year and his ceiling, if I choose not to watch Oilers games?

    How can I continue to change my opinion of the value to this team of Kris Russell, if I choose not to watch Oilers games?

    I might be able to change my opinion on the Spooner trade if he actually played cus I watch 95% of each 60 minute game.

  165. Drew says:

    Bling: Flames look like they absolutely torched Carolina on that trade.

    Lindholm is the goods, a legit first liner signed to a sweetheart contract, and Hanifin has taken a step forward this year at age 21. Looks like he’s on track to be a good first pairing D, if not a very good 2nd pairing guy.

    That being said, I absolutely think Hamilton can bounce back and become a top pairing guy.

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Hamilton
    Jones – Russell

    That is championship caliber.

    Yamamoto and 2nd?

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    It should be noted that now, through over 250 minutes, Strome has I believe raised his GF% to 40% and almost got his CF% to 40% while his FF% has skyrocketed to 41% – too bad his HDCF% is at 25%.

    He has reduced his negative relative goal share to only -5.45 now.

    It may be fair to say that neither play is doing much to help his team win at this point.

  167. Glovjuice says:

    Jordan: It’s much more difficult to speak with authority about anything Oilers when I don’t watch all the games.But, over the last 10 years I’ve come to find the Oilers as an exercise in experiential learning about my own emotional wellbeing.I greatly enjoy the endorphin rush I get when the team is playing well and winning.I greatly dislike the stress reaction I have when the team is playing poorly or losing.

    When the team is consistently playing poorly, or I expect them to play poorly, I avoid watching the games, because I don’t like feeling like shit.Its emotionally draining for me, and I become much less enjoyable to be around for my friends and family.

    When the team is consistently playing well, and I can watch them play well, I enjoy watching the games because I feel better having watched them.Its emotionally fulfilling for me, and I become much more enjoyable to be around for my friends and family.

    This weekend I was spending the entire weekend with my family, and after watching 10 minutes game time of the LA game, I decided I wasn’t watching any more Oilers hockey.

    My weekend with my wife and daughters was great.

    I probably would have enjoyed watching the Oilers beat the ducks, but I wasn’t going to risk being a Debbie downer all weekend with my family for it.

    You take it way too seriously if it affects your family and friends. It’s just sports. It’s just entertainment.

  168. texmex says:

    Drew,

    Carolina are looking for goal scoring, which we do not have outside of Nuge, Drai and McDavid. That and they essentially traded Lindholm and hannafin for Hamilton, they will want a huge return.

    Man, Carolina traded skinner and Lindholm, and are now looking for scoring 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  169. Dicky94 says:

    texmex,

    Glad our GM didn’t do anything silly like that.

  170. Glovjuice says:

    jtblack: And with respect, did not mean to put words in your mouth. I “thought” you had him LEGIT #1 guy. But that could have been GIO pumpiing him up ..

    Short of a substance abuse problem, I would take a crack at Hamilton.

    Legit 40+ point RHD .. Carolina sewers a lot of players stats….

    The Oilers usually sell Low, Buy high. This is a chance, with RISK, to buy low …

    jtblack: And with respect, did not mean to put words in your mouth. I “thought” you had him LEGIT #1 guy. But that could have been GIO pumpiing him up ..

    Short of a substance abuse problem, I would take a crack at Hamilton.

    Legit 40+ point RHD .. Carolina sewers a lot of players stats….

    The Oilers usually sell Low, Buy high. This is a chance, with RISK, to buy low …

    I would say it’s a The Baths problem…

  171. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    It should be noted that now, through over 250 minutes, Strome has I believe raised his GF% to 40% and almost got his CF% to 40% while his FF% has skyrocketed to 41% – too bad his HDCF% is at 25%.

    He has reduced his negative relative goal share to only -5.45 now.

    It may be fair to say that neither play is doing much to help his team win at this point.

    But, he was helping our team.

  172. Bling says:

    Drew: Yamamoto and 2nd?

    I think that’s what it would take. I would do it.

  173. JimmyV1965 says:

    texmex:
    Drew,

    Carolina are looking for goal scoring, which we do not have outside of Nuge, Drai and McDavid. That and they essentially traded Lindholm and hannafin for Hamilton, they will want a huge return.

    Man, Carolina traded skinner and Lindholm, and are now looking for scoring

    I doubt Lindholm would have scored like this for Carolina. I think he’s one of those guys who really be benefitted from a change of scenery. That’s what the Oil should be looking for. Taffoli maybe. And it’s the reason we shouldn’t trade JP.

  174. Ribs says:

    I don’t think the Oilers need any more “Bounce Back” or “Off Year” guys. Ten foot sticks and all that.

  175. Jordan says:

    Glovjuice: You take it way too seriously if it affects your family and friends. It’s just sports. It’s just entertainment.

    I understand how and why you say that. My experience has been that I do not compartmentalize my emotions very well. So when I feel angry or sad or joyful about something, it colours most everything else I experience.

    I’ve been following the oilers since I was a boy, and have a lot of emotional history with this team. I remember the Marchant overtime goal, I remember trying to decide between get Grier or Smith emblazoned on the back of my first Jersey, I remember the Pronger trade, the power of game 6, the despair of July 2006, Smyth, Penner, Gagner, Horcoff, Ales, Barker, Jeff, Taylor and Jordan.

    I know better than many how much this team means to the people who live here. To the families of fans who wear these colours. The Oilers might be owned by Katz, but the team belongs to Edmonton.

    I hate seeing something I love be treated like this. It’s infuriating. Maybe for you it is just sports and you can walk away and not care about the inept mismanagement and the hubris and the distain of so many fans, teams, officials and league personnel.

    If you can let it all go, I am very happy for you. I have found that leaving it behind leaves a part of myself behind that is important to me. A part of my past.

    So, instead I pay attention to what’s happening within me while I follow the team. I know I won’t stay away, but I can and do prioritize when I will make time for them. When they lost like they have been, it’s an easy choice. When they were playing so well for hitchmas, that was easy too. But when they’re yo-yoing up and down each game it’s both hardest and most risky to watch.

    In a perfect world it would be a lot easier to just let it go and move on.

    I’m an Oilers fan. If I did what was easy, I would have switched teams to cheer for a long time ago.

  176. LMHF#1 says:

    Bling:

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Hamilton
    Jones – Russell

    That is championship caliber.

    One of these things does not belong…

  177. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    LMHF#1,

    Hamilton.

    He’s got too many red flags.

    Hard pass.

  178. frjohnk says:

    During the 2017 trade deadline I was talking hockey with my coworker whose son is in the NHL. He said he had heard from his sons agent that Calgary was quietly shopping Hamilton.

    I wont get into the reasons ( or rumors) that are out there, but teams really do believe in “culture” and players fitting in.

  179. Glovjuice says:

    Jordan: I understand how and why you say that.My experience has been that I do not compartmentalize my emotions very well.So when I feel angry or sad or joyful about something, it colours most everything else I experience.

    I’ve been following the oilers since I was a boy, and have a lot of emotional history with this team.I remember the Marchant overtime goal, I remember trying to decide between get Grier or Smith emblazoned on the back of my first Jersey, I remember the Pronger trade, the power of game 6, the despair of July 2006, Smyth, Penner, Gagner, Horcoff, Ales, Barker, Jeff, Taylor and Jordan.

    I know better than many how much this team means to the people who live here.To the families of fans who wear these colours.The Oilers might be owned by Katz, but the team belongs to Edmonton.

    I hate seeing something I love be treated like this.It’s infuriating.Maybe for you it is just sports and you can walk away and not care about the inept mismanagement and the hubris and the distain of so many fans, teams, officials and league personnel.

    If you can let it all go, I am very happy for you.I have found that leaving it behind leaves a part of myself behind that is important to me.A part of my past.

    So, instead I pay attention to what’s happening within me while I follow the team.I know I won’t stay away, but I can and do prioritize when I will make time for them.When they lost like they have been, it’s an easy choice.When they were playing so well for hitchmas, that was easy too.But when they’re yo-yoing up and down each game it’s both hardest and most risky to watch.

    In a perfect world it would be a lot easier to just let it go and move on.

    I’m an Oilers fan.If I did what was easy, I would have switched teams to cheer for a long time ago.

    Very articulate and thoughtful response. Sounds like a degree of genetic predisposition that permeates your being in general – the world needs all types. You use the word ‘love’ though – that along with who you are is the route cause. I was in the stands for the Kurri OT from the slot and the Toddy goal as well but the second We had our daughter I become able to “love” the Oilers much less (well, that, and the Hall trade – and no, the 16-17 run was not worth it as that team over accomplished in my opinion).

  180. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Oilers midseason report card brought to you by the letter “F”

    https://theathletic.com/752201/2019/01/08/lowetide-oilers-midseason-report-card-brought-to-you-by-the-letter-f/

  181. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Jordan,

    A lot of what you mention resonates with most, if not all of us who frequent this place. You explained your passion for this team very well, thanks for sharing!

  182. Professor Q says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    LMHF#1,

    Hamilton.

    He’s got too many red flags.

    Hard pass.

    No pun intended, eh? 😉

  183. Glovjuice says:

    Professor Q: No pun intended, eh?

    He has puppet control the body syndrome.

  184. Jordan says:

    Glovjuice: Very articulate and thoughtful response.Sounds like a degree of genetic predisposition that permeates your being in general – the world needs all types. You use the word ‘love’ though – that along with who you are is the route cause. I was in the stands for the Kurri OT from the slot and the Toddy goal as well but the second We had our daughter I become able to “love” the Oilers much less (well, that, and the Hall trade – and no, the 16-17 run was not worth it as that team over accomplished in my opinion).

    What you say about your daughters resonates with me as well. We had our first daughter after the 2014 season ended, and I was quite happy for the distraction. I wasn’t nearly so invested for the better part of that year, but her colic and inability to sleep unless in direct contact with her mom or I provided me with more than a few hours to check in here and look at prospects. That made the hockey gods gift in 2015 that much sweeter.

    €√¥£€^$:
    Jordan,

    A lot of what you mention resonates with most, if not all of us who frequent this place.You explained your passion for this team very well, thanks for sharing!

    Sharing with the people here is part of what makes this place such a treasure. I’ve only met a handful of the posters, but many of the people who share here make it a much more real community than many of the “real” organizations I’ve both worked and volunteered at. I feel grateful to be able to contribute, and hope that me sharing helps others feel comfortable doing the same.

    Thanks to you and LT and all the others before me who have welcomed strangers like me into their lives.

  185. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    tcho:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    WG – I think you’re right. I’m exaggerating. My memory is that people were very high on Benning and thought he had top 4 promise.

    I thought he had promise too, and still think he does have promise, but its less so now.

    I think I underestimated how good Sekera was as Benning was only “good” there with Sekera.

    Did ok with Klef too, but Klef is obv driving that bus as well.

  186. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: Great!When?And for who?

    I know!

    Don’t know!

    Don’t know, hope its the Oilers!

  187. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: Outscores Larsson by a bit.Maybe it’s not a hockey problem?

    I value 5v5 goal share differential more than points for all NHL players, but especially for Dmen.

    Dmen points can lead you astray often imo.

  188. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I value 5v5 goal share differential more than points for all NHL players, but especially for Dmen.

    Dmen points can lead you astray often imo.

    Thanks for replying. I wonder if there’s a magic number or point where scoring D men are actually detrimental to overall team scoring?

  189. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: Thanks for replying.I wonder if there’s a magic number or point where scoring D men are actually detrimental to overall team scoring?

    I like to look and see how many goals/60 the team gets with each center and the Dman in question and see if the overall team scoring goes up or if the Dman is just getting points and the team scores the same whether or not the Dman is on the ice.

    Vampire Dmen who just take points from forwards and don’t actually increase the scoring and goal share can be very costly.

  190. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Vampire Dmen

    Great name for a band.

    I guess we’re switching to the game day blog. But Pete tried for Hammy once. I wonder if that itch has been scratched.

  191. OilSafety says:

    The problem with Hamilton is that he will be in demand. Someone is going to pay full price for him.
    Dont get me wrong, I want him on the Oilers, but with the potential baggage I wouldnt want to pay full price.

    The reality is Carolina wants top 6 scoring, and that is the last thing we have to offer. We cant send Nuge, we need him more than anyone else in the league either as a winger or as C depth in case of injury. JP will be a player, but isnt yet, I doubt Carolina would settle on him when he’s not contributing yet, and again, we need a big fast scoring winger now and in the future.

    No surprise to anyone here, but the cupboards are bare in Edmonton. Whats left to trade… Yammamoto? Pics?

    Perfect world, we find a third team to bring in who needs futures and has an extra top 6 forward Carolina wants. Not very likely, but I think Hamilton next to Nurse as a second pair is perfect.
    what the hell, maybe they really want Luc, right? It could happen…….

    Im going to go fill up my coffee and baileys.

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