It Makes No Difference

Lots of post-game chatter suggesting the Oilers rode lack of attention to detail and bad luck to a 7-2 loss in northern California last night. I think the problem is a little more basic. Just as Doug Flynn, Jim Wohlford and Dan Driessen infiltrated the Montreal Expos team that won 90 games in 1980, so too the presence of lesser lights is a massive drag on Connor McDavid. It’s hard to soar as eagles when you’re surrounded by turkeys. Edmonton lost every five-minute segment in that game, even when down by a mile. The Sharks were having fun all night long.

There was luck involved, you can make a case (I will not) that’s a game they were going to lose no matter, reminding me of the Casey Stengel quote. Ol’ Casey used to say there are 50 games you’re going to win for various reasons (opponent starts a rookie, their great SS makes three errors, etc), 50 games you’re going to lose no matter what (you start a rookie, your SS makes three errors). It’s what you do in the other 54 (Stengel’s era) that tell you if you’ve won the pennant. In hockey terms, that’s 25/25/32. There’s a case to be made for last night’s game fitting the description, but bottom line for me is Edmonton simply doesn’t consistently compete against many NHL teams based on overall talent.

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OILERS AFTER 43

  • Oilers in 2015: 17-23-3, 37 points; goal differential -23
  • Oilers in 2016: 21-15-7, 49 points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in 2017: 18-22-3, 39 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2018: 20-20-3, 43 points; goal differential -11

The goal differential took a beating and the Oilers remain three full wins shy of the playoff McDavid group. We might see some forwards shuffled in the next day or so, if only a recall of Marody and a demotion of Gambardella. Not enough pop in the lineup.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in January 2017: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in January 2018: 1-3-0, two points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in January 2019: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -4

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • On the road to: ArizonaLos AngelesAnaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 2-2-0, four points in four games

The first four games went according to Hoyle, and now we come to an area of the schedule where I confess to be less than convinced about the group. If I was a believer, these projections would read something like 4-1-2. Alas, I am predicting 2-3-2. This is it, ladies and men. If this Oilers team can grab nine or ten points from the rest of the month, they’ll be in the race.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Gravel-Petrovic went 4-3 in 3:52, 2-2 shots, no goals and 1-0 HDSC. I thought Petrovic did a helluva job tackling Sorensen, but the referee threw a flag and it as a penalty shot.
  • Gravel-Larsson went 0-5 in 5:40, 0-4 in shots, no goals. What a crazy night.
  • Nurse-Russell went 5-12 in 11:42, 3-5 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-2 HDSC. Nurse had his issues, Russell had a tough game doing the swim.
  • Jones-Russell went 3-2 in 2:46, 2-2 shots, 0-1 goals and both men looked very poor on the goal against.
  • Jones-Larsson went 5-19 in 13:36, 2-9 shots, 0-2 goals and 1-1 HDSC. Both men were chasing but they also had some terrible luck. Shiza happens.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 13 of 17, .765. Mikko Koskinen stopped 16 of 19, .842. Neither man can be blamed, but neither man can be given credit for making a difference.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Spooner-Brodziak-Kassian were 6-6 in 6:07, 4-6 shots, 0-1 goals and 2-3 HDSC. Brodziak and Kassian were noticeable on the PK.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson went 6-8 in 8:11, 2-8 shots, 0-3 goals and 2-5 HDSC. Hitchcock said it after the game, when your best players and pulling the puck out of their own net thrice you’re going to have a helluva time winning the game. Rattie was 5:09 with Leon.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Puljujarvi were 5-8 in 12:43, 4-5 shots, 1-0 goals and 1-3 HDSC. Nice to see all three men get points, I suspect we’ll see this line on Thursday.
  • Khaira-McDavid-Kassian were 1-6 in 2:46, Khaira and the captain 1-18 in 6:34. I have no words. That’s impossible. Seriously. Connor McDavid 1-18 Corsi events is as rare as Aurora noise reaching the human ear.

HARD TARGET SEARCH

It’s very clear now, the Edmonton Oilers are going balls out to make the playoffs this spring. That’s going to mean at least one major trade and we might see a massive, franchise-altering deal depending on how things rhyme. Will the Oilers land on the good side of the next trade by Peter Chiarelli?

I mentioned in yesterday’s blog the Oilers “assets out” list probably included the 2019 first-round pick, Jesse Puljujarvi, Jujhar Khaira, Matt Benning and Zack Kassian. The top of my list was confirmed yesterday, so let’s spend some time shopping for return today.

  • RW Brendan Gallagher, Montreal Canadiens. He’s on pace for another 30-goal season and would bring forechecking ability and gritty play. I imagine the Habs might be interesting in the first-round pick, and Jesse Puljujarvi may also be in play based on recent reports about his being available.
  • RW Mark Stone, Ottawa Senators. The Sens would have to retain like madmen and take on someone like Spooner, and I imagine someone would have a better offer for Ottawa. Edmonton could acquire Stone soon and then deal him at the deadline if they’re out the playoff race, although that’s a dangerous game with this management group.
  • LW Mike Hoffman, Florida Panthers. He has a limited NMC, uncertain if Edmonton is on his no-trade list. He would be an ideal addition on McDavid’s portside.
  • LC Brayden Schenn, St. Louis Blues. He has this and next year at just over $5 million, Jesse Puljujarvi has been mentioned as a player of interest in Missouri. I don’t know that a first-round pick is of interest and am certain other teams would have more attractive packages to offer.

Any other names? Gallagher is the first one I thought of, I’ll have a few more for you tomorrow.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Guelph is loading up a bit as they acquired Nick Suzuki today – along with Zach Roberts and Sean Durzi.

    I wonder how the acquisition of Durzi will effect Samorukov’s deployment and offensive opportunities.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using points percentage expressed as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    WPG 14
    NSH 11
    DAL 6

    Pacific
    CGY 14
    SJS 12
    VGK 12

    Wildcard
    COL 5
    MIN 3

    Out of playoffs
    ANA 2
    EDM 0
    VAN -1
    ARI -3
    STL -3
    CHI -6
    LAK -7

    Games of note today:

    COL at CGY (CGY -165)
    OTT at ANA (ANA -220)

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EDM Goal Share after 43 games (20-20-3)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 44-35 (56%)
    McDavid Off Ice 40-59 (40%)
    EV=-10

    Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
    30-31
    ST=-1

    Empty Net: (all 5v6 & 5v6)
    5-12
    EN= -7

    SO & PS
    1-1

    SO/PS+0

    Net Goal Differential -18

    I stuck the Penalty Shot with Shoot Out goals. The NHL records the goal as “EV” but no players on the ice but the shooter and goalie.

  4. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HITCHCOCK ERA:
    EDM Goal Share after 23 games (11-10-2)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 24-21 (53%)
    McDavid Off Ice 22-31 (42%)
    Net EV -6

    Special Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against):
    13-12
    Net ST +1

    Empty Net:
    3-7
    Net EN -4

    SO & PS
    1-1
    SO&PS=0

    Net Goal Differential -9

  5. Ben says:

    Man, just look at the wings of that roster chart when they’re running 97-29-93 down the middle. No hyperbole here: is this one of the offensively thinnest groups of wingers in league history?

    Can we please talk more about the team’s pro scouting?

  6. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oilers 5v5 Goal Share since Dec 16th vs VAN:

    McDavid On 45.5%
    McDavid Off 25.0%

    That’s not a typo.

    To address this Pete went out and got two Dmen who were healthy scratches on teams worse than EDM.

    Good job Pete. Good effort.

  7. Mikeoes says:

    I dont care if they want to entertain trading our 1st round pick , but It must be done AFTER CHIARELLI IS FIRED. He can not be trusted with ANY more trades. NONE. ZILCH. I firmly believe other GMs don’t want to be embarrased by making even a “fair” trade yet alone losing to Pete. Unless they clearly win, they won’t even talk to him, because that’s the norm for past many years when dealing with Chiarelli.

  8. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Oilers 5v5 Goal Share since Dec 16th vs VAN:

    McDavid On 45.5%
    McDavid Off 25.0%

    That’s not a typo.

    To address this Pete went out and got two Dmen who were healthy scratches on teams worse than EDM.

    Good job Pete. Good effort.

    The GM did not like the narrative that he was bad at the big trades and good at the little ones.

    Felt he needed to the same across the board

  9. McSorley33 says:

    There is no way even this organization lets PC swing any more trades, is there?

    Especially ones with our 1st round pick.

    I thought even Matty was saying PC likely won’t survive the summer – even if we squeak
    into the playoffs?

  10. BONE207 says:

    Did Looch keep the puck?

    Feels like the 1st time…

  11. OilClog says:

    Not sure how they’re fitting Simmons in, wonder if it Talbs

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ben:
    Man, just look at the wings of that roster chart when they’re running 97-29-93 down the middle. No hyperbole here: is this one of the offensively thinnest groups of wingers in league history?

    Can we please talk more about the team’s pro scouting?

    In June/July of 2017 Pete got rid of the 3 of the top 4 without-McDavid goal scorers : https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/881241418148093956

    In 16/17 the top 4 “without-McDavid” goal scorers were:

    RNH – 10
    Eberle – 8 (traded)
    Pouliot – 8 (bought out)
    Pitlick – 8 (not signed – gone in FA)

    Fun fact: Even though Pouliot isn’t playing this year he still leads Lucic in goals since July 1, 2017 until now: 13-12

    Eberle has scored 33 since July 1st, 2017
    Pitlick has scored 20 since July 1st, 2017

    Oilers who have scored 20+ goals since July 1st, 2017:

    McDavid – 65
    Draisaitl – 48
    RNH – 38
    Caggiula – 20

    Man.

  13. Mikeoes says:

    Why do I want to trade away our 1st? Because Connor needs help now, not in the 3 or 4 years it would take (maybe if lucky) for that 1st rounder to help the team. JP was drafted 2.5 seasons ago 4th OV. Is he helping the team win yet? Nope. We cant afford to waste any more McD years. He is in his prime now (yes he hit it earlier than most he’s that good). His prime may not last forever (who knows if injuries will accumilate). Stop wasting time waiting for Sekera and figure out a way to Robidas island him ASAP. Pray for compliance buyout with new CBA (Lucic) and for god sakes, Fire Chiarelli and don’t let him make anymore trades.

  14. leeinvan says:

    This team with the right management will be good in another 2 years. By then all the guaranteed contracts will be gone and their prospects will be making the team faster and more skilled.
    I think if the fans had honesty from management , they would be fine with this.
    It’s the, “don’t worry, we have a plan” Bulls#$t that pisses the fans off.
    The team is capped out and most of the valuable chips have been dealt away. If the plan was to run the team into the ground, mission accomplished.
    Bring in a new GM and do what the Rangers are doing, be honest with the fans and have a real plan, not something you drew up on a napkin 5 minutes before the year end meeting.

  15. Ben says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Even though Pouliot isn’t playing this year he still leads Lucic in goals since July 1, 2017 until now: 13-12

    Tell them not to bother with my autopsy. Just show them this. They’ll understand.

  16. Munny says:

    Last night wasn’t on Chia. The team other than a couple of players again did not show up. I don’t mind being out-matched on talent but last night we were out-matched in effort, urgency, desire and determination.

    Talent makes no difference at that point.

    Hitch’s rant after the LA game is equally valid this morning.

    I never turn the game off and last night I did to watch Season 1 Westworld. And I hate TV shows.

    If they aren’t even going to try, neither am I.

  17. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Guelph is loading up a bit as they acquired Nick Suzuki today – along with Zach Roberts and Sean Durzi.

    I wonder how the acquisition of Durzi will effect Samorukov’s deployment and offensive opportunities.

    London will have to pick it up if they want to compete with Saginaw, Guelph, and Sault Ste. Marie (and that’s just in the West!). I know they’re ahead but the other teams are acquiring firepower.

  18. texmex says:

    If the Oilers are gonna make a run for the final wild card spot, any trades will have to be made long before the deadline. If they wait until Feb 25, they may be mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. Sadly, this may be the best outcome.

  19. Durag says:

    Munny:

    I never turn the game off and last night I did to watch Season 1 Westworld. And I hate TV shows.

    Great idea, but skip season 2.

  20. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0: In June/July of 2017 Pete got rid of the 3 of the top 4 without-McDavid goal scorers : https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/881241418148093956

    In 16/17 the top 4 “without-McDavid” goal scorers were:

    RNH – 10
    Eberle – 8 (traded)
    Pouliot – 8 (bought out)
    Pitlick– 8 (not signed – gone in FA)

    Fun fact:Even though Pouliot isn’t playing this year he still leads Lucic in goals since July 1, 2017 until now: 13-12

    Eberle has scored 33 since July 1st, 2017
    Pitlick has scored 20 since July 1st, 2017

    Oilers who have scored 20+ goals since July 1st, 2017:

    McDavid – 65
    Draisaitl – 48
    RNH – 38
    Caggiula – 20

    Man.

    Its not

    Perhaps he really is doing it intentionally then. He knows he’s going to be fired so he’s going Scorched Earth.

  21. Bar_Qu says:

    There needs to be an adult in the management who looks at the points pace the team is on and pulls the plug (unofficially) on the season. Step one would be to fire the GM and appoint Keith Gretzky as interim GM. Step two would be to look at roster and see who can be lost to free up either cap space or bring back assets. Dellow was floating Nurse as an example last night, and I have to say I agree with him. 25s ceiling versus his reputation should be enough to bring back a good offensive winger, which there seems to be a lot of coming into UFA status this year.

    Trading either Sekera or Russel would be my other hopes, but those are pretty faint.

  22. Durag says:

    Hard Target Search is depressing as hell. I don’t think there are any moves to be made that make this team a contender before 2021 – and if there are, we sure as hell don’t have someone capable of making them. Between Talbot, Koskinen, Chiasson, Rieder, Petro and Gravel, we should be able to come out of the deadline with something like 2 2nds, a 3rd, a 4th and the god gods willing maybe even another 1st. That seems like a much better course.

  23. JimmyV1965 says:

    Not trying to be dramatic, but this team might be worse than last year. They are simply incapable of maintaining any ozone pressure. We will know for sure what this team is in a week or so. We play Flo, Ari, Buf and Van. We need to win three or four, but winning one is the more likely outcome.

  24. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    leeinvan,

    This is the plan fellow Lowetider.

    Build a core around McDavid and Draisaitl. The pieces to that are Nuge, Klefbom and Larsson. Nurse is a potential corer here but not specifically. Sekera and Russell are the defenders tasked during the transition and its why two years of Sekera’s injury are monumentally devastating for the team.

    After that it was fill in the pieces and wait for them to develop. Burke is correct, don’t panic keep your powder dryish and wait for the percolator in Bakersfield.

    Its why Larsson was targeted over Demers because the age brackets line up much better. It’s unfortunate and sad that Hall had to leave but he’ll be back after next season once he hits FA.

  25. hags9k says:

    “It’s very clear now, the Edmonton Oilers are going balls out to make the playoffs this spring. That’s going to mean at least one major trade and we might see a massive, franchise-altering deal depending on how things rhyme.”

    Bird Box blindfolds on everybody. I also have the toaster at the ready beside the tub.

  26. dustrock says:

    If you’re going to do some deal to make the playoffs, might as well do it now. Not a second to waste.

    There is literally no chance whatsoever, even on Planck-wave probability, that Chiarelli could make a move in-season that is going to give the Oilers the chance to compete for the Cup.

    The very best he could hope for is a deal that allows them to sneak into 8th place and then promptly lose in the first round.

    Why make that deal?

    Fire Chiarelli now, tell the fans we’re sorry, not this year, but it doesn’t make sense to spend assets at this point, we’ll see what we can do in the summer, but we’ve got some tough decisions to make and some cap problems.

    Just be honest.

    Or, you know, keep adding coke machines, that seems to be helping too.

  27. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: The GM did not like the narrative that he was bad at the big trades and good at the little ones.

    Felt he needed to the same across the board

    ..and Padre steps to the plate and knocks one clean out of the park!!

  28. Glass says:

    I sincerely hope that we don’t trade our first. Damaging this org’s prospect pipeline to ‘maybe’ make the playoffs is such a huge risk. I’d consider the 1st for Gallagher, but not much else.

  29. hags9k says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Why would Hall come back exactly?

  30. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Oilers 5v5 Goal Share since Dec 16th vs VAN:

    McDavid On 45.5%
    McDavid Off 25.0%

    That’s not a typo.

    To address this Pete went out and got two Dmen who were healthy scratches on teams worse than EDM.

    Good job Pete. Good effort.

    Not sure whether to laugh or cry. 🙁

  31. Glass says:

    dustrock,

    I feel exactly the same way. This team wasn’t really built to make the playoffs from the outset of the season, not cup contenders no less. If we squeak into the playoffs, it’s a first round exit… there isn’t much of a point.

    I’d be open to picking up Gallagher. When he’s playing he gives a fuck. He’s a pest. He produces points. As a RW, there’s less pressure on JP & Yams to step up asap. He has a good relationship with Lucic being a fellow Vancouver Giants alumni & training together in the summer. I’m curious to see if Gallagher elevates Lucic’s game.

  32. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m in favour of trading the first, but not in some faint hope of making the playoffs. Most teams are built around duos and we have 1.5. Getting another strong winger will at least give us two solid duos. We need to get an impact player who has term. The only one I can think of is Vlad Tarasenko. Tyler Johnson may be another, but he has a NTC. There must be others out there.

  33. Munny says:

    Durag,

    Yeah I do worry about that.

  34. texmex says:

    I’m curious as to why people think Gallagher is available via trade? Montreal is currently in the 2nd WC position, 3 points out of the 3rd in the Atlantic.

    That would be a tough sell to Montreal fans.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wait, the Condors game is at 6 mountain and it doesn’t conflict with an Oilers game and the wife is out tonight? I can watch the entire game and not have to head to bed (well, might have to stream the first from the office)? Music!

    #smalljoys

  36. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: The GM did not like the narrative that he was bad at the big trades and good at the little ones.

    Felt he needed to the same across the board

    Have to admire his drive to be consistent at least.

  37. russ99 says:

    Bar_Qu:
    There needs to be an adult in the management who looks at the points pace the team is on and pulls the plug (unofficially) on the season. Step one would be to fire the GM and appoint Keith Gretzky as interim GM. Step two would be to look at roster and see who can be lost to free up either cap space or bring back assets. Dellow was floating Nurse as an example last night, and I have to say I agree with him. 25s ceiling versus his reputation should be enough to bring back a good offensive winger, which there seems to be a lot of coming into UFA status this year.

    Trading either Sekera or Russel would be my other hopes, but those are pretty faint.

    I’m not a fan of Keith Gretzky as interim GM, we need him on the draft.

    If he takes over, who get’s the draft? Likely one of MacTavish, Scott, Sutter, Green, Howson or Carriere.

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/coaches-management

    No thanks. I much prefer Chia with his hands tied by Nicholson on any big deal than the Old Boys taking over.

  38. flyfish1168 says:

    JMHO. Let’s face the fact that we are not going to make the playoffs. Let’s start thinking about not wasting Connors time with these marginal teams that is not going to make or barely make the playoffs. Build a true contending team. The Oilers should stop skill out, get the most skilled player in some trades. Lets get some youth with potential and retool this team. Build by the draft. Let PC go now and use trade deadline to maximize return at this years draft. Tired of this roller coaster of GMs not having a solid game plan on what the team should look like and a prolong future of success. To many idiot GMs

  39. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: In June/July of 2017 Pete got rid of the 3 of the top 4 without-McDavid goal scorers : https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/881241418148093956

    In 16/17 the top 4 “without-McDavid” goal scorers were:

    RNH – 10
    Eberle – 8 (traded)
    Pouliot – 8 (bought out)
    Pitlick– 8 (not signed – gone in FA)

    Fun fact:Even though Pouliot isn’t playing this year he still leads Lucic in goals since July 1, 2017 until now: 13-12

    Eberle has scored 33 since July 1st, 2017
    Pitlick has scored 20 since July 1st, 2017

    Oilers who have scored 20+ goals since July 1st, 2017:

    McDavid – 65
    Draisaitl – 48
    RNH – 38
    Caggiula – 20

    Man.

    Even better, what do we have to show for losing those 3 4 players?

    Brandon Manning, Robin Norell, Ryan Spooner and his 2 Oiler goals, and a $1.333M cap hit.

  40. Rich M says:

    LT, your “eagles surrounded by turkeys” quote is perfect. We’re in cap hell because of the large contracts given to poorly performing assets (Lucic) and the contracts given the McDavid and Drai (not saying these are bad contracts, just observing a lot is tied up at the top).

    To alleviate this you must have value contracts.

    These are best procured thru the draft or finding more Alex Chiasson’s in late summer. I’d suggest hoping for the latter is equivalent to a revenue plan built on winning the Powerball Lottery.

    But trading picks is going to put us exactly in that boat – especially if we’re trading #1’s.

    Certainly another trade seems to be a matter of time because something has to go out because of the cap situation. Whether it’s Benning or a prospect from our new found defensive depth in Bakersfield, or JP I don’t know. But I really hope it’s not JP because as you said, he does look to be finding the range under Hitch and can be a value contract for a couple more years.

    Draft good players, develop good players, keep good players.

    We wait.

  41. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    hags9k,

    several reasons

    1) The Core will have reached peak-performance territory given their ages
    2) The weighted contracts (aside from Looch but he’ll be gone by then) reach a stage where they are quite moveable and/or expired, which will see significant cap space open up
    3) The Bakersfield percolator will chugging along on ELCs but shuttling in folks ready to contribute solidifying the bottom 6.

    As others over the last few days (Brian Burke being the most notable) have pointed out this is where the team is likely to be in contender territory.

    4) Chia is likely gone

    5) Hall will come back to finish what he started with his buddy Connor (admitted my own personal feeling) in Tavaresesque fashion.

    If JP fully emerges as a bonafide stud in the meantime it may not happen but a guy just can’t shake the feeling

  42. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Oilers 5v5 Goal Share since Dec 16th vs VAN:

    McDavid On 45.5%
    McDavid Off 25.0%

    That’s not a typo.

    To address this Pete went out and got two Dmen who were healthy scratches on teams worse than EDM.

    Good job Pete. Good effort.

    So Oscar Klefbom should be a Hart Trophy Candidate.

  43. OmJo says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    I still think Hall will go to Calgary if he comes back to the West ,especially if they are still a contender.

  44. godot10 says:

    Mikeoes:
    I dont care if they want to entertain trading our 1st round pick , but It must be done AFTER CHIARELLI IS FIRED. He can not be trusted with ANY more trades. NONE. ZILCH.I firmly believe other GMs don’t want to be embarrased by making even a “fair” trade yet alone losing to Pete. Unless they clearly win, they won’t even talk to him, because that’s the norm for past many years when dealing with Chiarelli.

    The Oilers have to stop digging. Furthering the cap hell, and losing more high picks means no competent person will consider the Oilers GM position. And one will lock in the impossibility of ever competing with McDavid on his current contract.

    What we need is an organizational admission that they massively screwed up since drafting McDavid, clear out the management, confine the OBC to Studio 99 and the Alumni Room, and beg STeve Yzerman to come save Connor McDavid’s prime years.

    The OIlers are not a 1st round draft pick trade away, so trading it is absolutely moronic.

  45. Jordan says:

    Munny:
    Last night wasn’t on Chia.The team other than a couple of players again did not show up.I don’t mind being out-matched on talent but last night we were out-matched in effort, urgency, desire and determination.

    Talent makes no difference at that point.

    Hitch’s rant after the LA game is equally valid this morning.

    I never turn the game off and last night I did to watch Season 1 Westworld. And I hate TV shows.

    If they aren’t even going to try, neither am I.

    You and I were watching different games.

    I saw a team that was busting ass and getting out played not due to lack of effort but due to:
    – Lack of skill
    – lack of structure / plan in the offensive zone
    – a highly structured and experienced Sharks team that consistently succeeded in breaking down the Oilers attacks, isolating and separating the puck carrier and turning the puck north.

    The Oilers weren’t a bad team last night, but much like the Tampa game they were clearly outclassed by a deeper team with more skill and a more robust plan for managing the Oilers attack and transitioning the puck to create offense.

    These games are a real measuring sticks for our Management team.

    Spoiler alert – they are not elite, as reflected by the team they’ve built.

  46. Ribs says:

    leeinvan:
    This team with the right management will be good in another 2 years. By then all the guaranteed contracts will be gone and their prospects will be making the team faster and more skilled.
    I think if the fans had honesty from management , they would be fine with this.
    It’s the, “don’t worry, we have a plan” Bulls#$t that pisses the fans off.
    The team is capped out and most of the valuable chips have been dealt away. If the plan was to run the team into the ground, mission accomplished.
    Bring in a new GM and do what the Rangers are doing, be honest with the fans and have a real plan, not something you drew up on a napkin 5 minutes before the year end meeting.

    A plan? We haven’t even finished the audit yet!

  47. Munny says:

    Jordan,

    I watched the first 40 minutes… except for a shift here and there they got out-skated and out-hustled, especially in the first period. They got some legs from the two goals but they were short-lived. Don’t know if the lucky Sharks first goal had an effect on their battle but it was a pathetic effort. Or maybe it was third game in four nights syndrome, or maybe it was the attitude Hitch referenced a couple of days before, but they have played with far more chutzpah than they did last night.

  48. Scungilli Slushy says:

    texmex:
    If the Oilers are gonna make a run for the final wild card spot, any trades will have to be made long before the deadline. If they wait until Feb 25, they may be mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. Sadly, this may be the best outcome.

    They’ll wait till then and make a stupid deal anyway – it is the Oilers after all.

  49. Durag says:

    Ribs: A plan? We haven’t even finished the audit yet!

    *frazzled Oilers employee bursts through the door*

    “GET ROB SCHREMP’S AGENT ON THE PHONE! WE’VE MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE!!”

  50. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Western Conference Playoff Standings using points percentage expressed as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    WPG 14
    NSH 11
    DAL 6

    Pacific
    CGY 14
    SJS 12
    VGK 12

    Wildcard
    COL 5
    MIN 3

    Out of playoffs
    ANA 2
    EDM 0
    VAN -1
    ARI -3
    STL -3
    CHI -6
    LAK -7

    Games of note today:

    COL at CGY (CGY -165)
    OTT at ANA (ANA -220)

    If you look at Goal Differential;

    Top 8 Teams are all Positive

    The rest are at least -10 differential. Edmonton is -18. This is us.

  51. Drew says:

    Ben:
    Man, just look at the wings of that roster chart when they’re running 97-29-93 down the middle. No hyperbole here: is this one of the offensively thinnest groups of wingers in league history?

    Can we please talk more about the team’s pro scouting?

    Atta boy Pete, atta boy.

  52. Drew says:

    Munny:
    Last night wasn’t on Chia.The team other than a couple of players again did not show up.I don’t mind being out-matched on talent but last night we were out-matched in effort, urgency, desire and determination.

    Talent makes no difference at that point.

    Hitch’s rant after the LA game is equally valid this morning.

    I never turn the game off and last night I did to watch Season 1 Westworld. And I hate TV shows.

    If they aren’t even going to try, neither am I.

    Hall is a cancer in the room

  53. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Any GM ideas out there? If they pipe PC are there any quality alternatives to OBC?

    I’m not sure I can handle seeing Lowe or MacT again, or want to see Wayne, Paul or Mark have a hack at it.

    If I had to choose I’d prefer Lowe, as long as he doesn’t start barn fights again.

  54. HT Joe says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: 5) Hall will come back to finish what he started with his buddy Connor (admitted my own personal feeling) in Tavaresesque fashion.

    I will be blown away if Hall re-signs with Edmonton, especially when its (*EDIT* the Oilers) still in the toilet. What I believe would be more likely would be for Hall to sign a one year FU contract with Calgary to shove it up the Oilers collective bottoms, and make unicorns a reality 3 hours south of us.

    *EDIT ABOVE FOR CLARITY*

  55. HT Joe says:

    godot10: What we need is an organizational admission that they massively screwed up since drafting McDavid,

    Ha ha! They’ve been massively screwing up ever since Katz bought the team, since they ended up with 3 #1 overalls and a #3 overall before drafting McDavid. 🙂

  56. McSorley33 says:

    I think – at the deadline – we possibly could have obtained a 2nd round pick for Cagguilla.

    Instead – we have Manning for this year and Next.

    Everything not the core – should be auctioned off for picks/ prospects.
    ( irony – the supporting cast can’t get much worse anyway )

    As someone else mentioned, there has to be an organizational decision to
    become a seller at the deadline for the long term gain of the franchise.

    Stop the incompetence.

  57. HT Joe says:

    Lowetide wrote: “Will the Oilers land on the good side of the next trade by Peter Chiarelli?”

    You’re just trolling us now 🙂

  58. Drew says:

    godot10: The Oilers have to stop digging.Furthering the cap hell, and losing more high picks means no competent person will consider the Oilers GM position.And one will lock in the impossibility of ever competing with McDavid on his current contract.

    What we need is an organizational admission that they massively screwed up since drafting McDavid, clear out the management, confine the OBC to Studio 99 and the Alumni Room, and beg STeve Yzerman to come save Connor McDavid’s prime years.

    The OIlers are not a 1st round draft pick trade away, so trading it is absolutely moronic.

    Yes i believe this is the only way as well. The Coffey fiasco underscores the crazy surrounding this team.

    I am thinking Katz’s ego will never allow the right thing to happen though, get ready folks we have a front seat on history here. Books will b e written, business cases will be authored, Edmonton will become the new Cleveland.

  59. jtblack says:

    What are the odds Edmonton makes the Playoffs?

    Super soft schedule coming up. Obviously Edm is not a balanced team.

    I will say 20%.

  60. who says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Any GM ideas out there? If they pipe PC are there any quality alternatives to OBC?

    I’m not sure I can handle seeing Lowe or MacT again, or want to see Wayne, Paul or Mark have a hack at it.

    If I had to choose I’d prefer Lowe, as long as he doesn’t start barn fights again.

    I’m available.
    And at this point I think I have a better resume than Chia.

  61. jtblack says:

    LT: KHAIRA 3.70% CF. In 13 mins 5×5. Is that possible?

    WOW

  62. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: What we need is an organizational admission that they massively screwed up since drafting McDavid, clear out the management, confine the OBC to Studio 99 and the Alumni Room, and beg STeve Yzerman to come save Connor McDavid’s prime years.
    The OIlers are not a 1st round draft pick trade away, so trading it is absolutely moronic.

    It’s this kind of irrational thinking that’s got the team in trouble to start with.

  63. Scungilli Slushy says:

    who: I’m available.
    And at this point I think I have a better resume than Chia.

    I get to be POHO

  64. Ari says:

    godot10,

    I’m sure it has also been mentioned … but that 1st round pick is especially valuable because it will be expansion draft protected.

  65. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: and beg STeve Yzerman to come save Connor McDavid’s prime years.

    I feel like buying a ticket to Florida and begging him. Katz pull out the check book and make him an offer he can’t refuse. I’m sure the boys wouldn’t mind him.

  66. hunter1909 says:

    MacT Lowe Howson Chiarelli Katz Nicholson = stupid is as stupid does

    Btw, when’s the Bob Nicholson audit going to be ready?

  67. Derek says:

    HT Joe:
    Lowetide wrote: “Will the Oilers land on the good side of the next trade by Peter Chiarelli?”

    You’re just trolling us now🙂

    Hahahahaaavhhgftcerjbvkkhvddhnkoubbgjngh *death gurgle*

  68. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: The Oilers have to stop digging.Furthering the cap hell, and losing more high picks means no competent person will consider the Oilers GM position.And one will lock in the impossibility of ever competing with McDavid on his current contract.

    What we need is an organizational admission that they massively screwed up since drafting McDavid, clear out the management, confine the OBC to Studio 99 and the Alumni Room, and beg STeve Yzerman to come save Connor McDavid’s prime years.

    The OIlers are not a 1st round draft pick trade away, so trading it is absolutely moronic.

    From what I can see the Oilers have only traded a first round pick once in the last 20 years. In a deal that any fan sitting in front of a computer in their basement could see was a disaster. How is trading the first round pick more digging? This team can accumulate first round picks from here to eternity, but they will NEVER turn the corner until they start drafting and developing players after the first round. This team will continue digging its hole by drafting first round talents and inserting them into the NHL lineup when they are too young and with zero support. This team absolutely needs another legit top six forward. Period. Does JP have a better chance of developing his game playing with RNH and Lucic, or RNH and Tarasenko, or someone similar? Your insistence on using terms like moronic certainly gives me the impression you think you’re the smartest guy in the room. You’d be a perfect fit on the Oiler mngt team.

  69. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    What do you tell 97 and 25 (edit:29, jesus i bought the sweater…) two superstars on career years, men built to win, a handful of points out of a playoff spot at the halfway marker, that fuck it the season is lost anyway? Im not trolling Im genuinely wondering how that would go over, and how anyone here wanting to flush now would deal with that side of things.

    This team hasnt gone for broke at mid season since 2006. Im not saying do that, in fact I think there is exactly one reasonable play here (fire the mall) but we are on year 13 of what has been mostly break pumping.

    I dont think you can say, “even if we make it were likely out in the first round so theres no point.” There is a huge point to making the post season, dollars aside. I wonder if breaking the cycle means everyone refuses losing as acceptable at all times and under all circumstances.

    I consider trading the 1st for a young scorer under term and or in a package that gets rid of Lucic. If you can use it to fast track the need I say go for it. Except if its Pete making the deal, which makes the whole thing academic anyway.

  70. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    What Jimmy said.

  71. hunter1909 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I feel like buying a ticket to Florida and begging him. Katz pull out the check book and make him an offer he can’t refuse. I’m sure the boys wouldn’t mind him.

    Katz gets refused. Like that actress. Katz hasn’t got boys; he’s got a collection of low-ability middle aged Yes Men surrounding him. All anyone in the loop needs to do is toe Lowe’s line, lol

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    Hard Target Search isn’t that hard.

    Look at all teams better than us: They’re going to playoffs. Unless it’s personal reasons, a bigger trade ain’t happening.

    Look at the bubble teams: Depends on how their management feel their season is going to go and if it’s worth taking Edmonton’s 1st rounder.

    So that leaves us with the No Hopers: Could be some bargains to be had here.

    I’m looking square at St. Louis. Tarensenko and Parayko or either one. Prefer Vlad. We need scoring.

    JP and a 1st? I’d do it.

    Let’s look at facts. A mid 1st rounder probably won’t help us in a meaningful way for 3 to 4 years. And that’s even if we develop properly.

    The hardest thing about this decision is what if we trade and still turn out with good lottery odds.

  73. docweb says:

    “What we need is an organizational admission that they massively screwed up since drafting McDavid, clear out the management, confine the OBC to Studio 99 and the Alumni Room, and beg STeve Yzerman to come save Connor McDavid’s prime years.

    The OIlers are not a 1st round draft pick trade away, so trading it is absolutely moronic.”

    I agree that “just making the playoffs” is not, nor never should be the goal. Trading the first round pick, especially by Chia, is worse than futile and will make the chance of actually winning the Stanley Cup even less.

  74. Ben says:

    JimmyV1965: From what I can see the Oilers have only traded a first round pick once in the last 20 years.

    Assuming you’re referencing 16 for Reinhart, but you’re forgetting one.

    The Roloson trade is sort of an interesting case study for contemplating a trade of the 1st this year.

    The ’06 team was by no means guaranteed a playoff spot when they made the Rollie deal. IIRC they clinched with the second last game of the year, largely because VAN was enthusiastically shitting the bed down the stretch.

    They had a superstar in Pronger and pretty solid depth across the lineup, to which they’d also added a top-4 D, a PP D and a second-line scorer.

    If the 2019 team had *one or two* obvious holes to fill, then maybe you pull the trigger.

    But they don’t. They’re short *literally* 3-4 top-six forwards and a top-4 defenceman.

    So unless you’re trading the first rounder for Philly’s entire second line, Provorov and a magical bucket of cap space, well…

    …as the great French philosopher Maréebasse once said: “Gardez votre poudre sec”.

  75. OmJo says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: What do you tell 97 and 25, two superstars on career years, men built to win, a handful of points out of a playoff spot at the halfway marker, that fuck it the season is lost anyway? Im not trolling Im genuinely wondering how that would go over, and how anyone here wanting to flush now would deal with that side of things.

    This is a good question. I don’t think you tell them directly. I think you fire Chiarelli and appoint an interim replacement. This team doesn’t have assets to spare. Ride out the season as is.

  76. knighttown says:

    This was San Jose, on a second of back-to-backs and without 2 of their top 4 defense with the flu.

    And we got fucking destroyed for the second time by this team in two weeks.

    One thing I noticed was the difference in execution.

    The Sharks were quite sloppy in the first 5 minutes coughing up offensive zone turnovers to Edmonton nearly a half dozen times. The big one was the Spooner steal and pass to Rattie who didn’t even really get a shot off, but there were a few more…I feel like Drai had a couple of steals at the offensive blueline.

    You don’t get gifts like that against San Jose very often and to not even come CLOSE to making them pay, I think, let the Sharks really get going.

  77. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Jethro Tull,

    JP and a first for VT, assuming $$ can be worked, yes please.

  78. texmex says:

    Jethro Tull,

    The problem is we have no cap space adding Tarasenko means we need to lose 7.25 million off the roster (well ~5 million is we use LTIR money).

    But I’d do JP + Sekera + 1st rounder for Valdy. STL however, would not.

  79. Jethro Tull says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur,

    There’s a lot of “good teams don’t trade their 1st rounders for a year or two of a bona fide star” rhetoric going around the Oil logoshpere and on the early morning AM radio.

    A certain Erik Karlsson played against us last night. And SJ are a good team.

    Paul Stastny to WPG last year. I’ve heard it said here the WPG GM is a smart cookie that doesn’t burn picks on rentals.

  80. Jethro Tull says:

    texmex:
    Jethro Tull,

    The problem is we have no cap space adding Tarasenko means we need to lose 7.25 million off the roster (well ~5 million is we use LTIR money).

    But I’d do JP + Sekera + 1st rounder for Valdy. STL however, would not.

    We can’t say what St. Louis will do. They’re in a similar boat to us. They changed the coach. Turns out it wasn’t the coach. They have under-performing high price players. They may need a rebuild and picks is a good way to do that.

  81. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    OmJo,

    Yeah well so it comes back to firing the GM anyway. Get on it Bob.

    Alternatively has there been a case in professiobal sports (perhaps upper tier easter european football?) where a fanbase has risen up and taken over operations? Who is our Robespierre? Gilets Orange time.

  82. knighttown says:

    (execution part 2)

    I want you to picture Lucic’s goal and how that came to be. No Shark made a terrible play and no Oilers made a McDavid-esque highlight reel play. It’s just three linemates making three quietly solid plays. Puljujaarvi stretched to reach a puck along the wall, spun and backhanded it to Nuge. Nuge was in the proper lane, corralled the pass and fed a beauty to Lucic. Lucic filled the lane, received the pass and buried it.

    Nothing terrible by the Sharks and nothing amazing by the Oilers…just three players making three good plays.

    Where we suffer is that the Oilers stringing 3 good plays together is so rare for this group. Picture Chiasson on the penalty kill with McDavid. Steal #1 and 97 streaks down the wall. #39 stares at him in paralysis, can’t sort out the passing lane and dumps it down the ice. An even decent play gives McDavid a 1-on-1 against Karlsson and probably a scoring chance.

    Inconceivably Chiasson gets another chance 20 seconds later when he steals a fumbled puck and he and McDavid are off to the races but he basically vomits the puck 10 feet in front of him directly to the retreating Shark defenseman.

    Easy, easy plays and we just can’t make them.

  83. texmex says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Evander Kane played too I think? ;p

  84. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If Katz is as unhappy as they say, surely he has to realize shuffling the same guys around and getting the same results, and hiring people who have the same outlook as the existing people, means it’s the individuals that are the problem, regardless of the personal qualities they have.

    He ran a huge company, can’t do that well with second rate help, the light has to come on at some point. He also enjoyed deal making he has said in the growth of Rexall, I’m not sure how he can stand getting punked in his Oiler business repeatedly.

  85. silasbengtsson says:

    Jason Zucker and Charlie Coyle are two players I look at-risk especially the former.

    Zucker is a consistent positive influence on his team’s GF% (team-rel numbers are excellent), GF/60 and GA/60, has the kind of shooter’s mentality we want, he fits the timeline and is locked up long term. I’ve talked about Schwartz before as being pretty much the ideal winger for our 2nd line and I think Zucker is right up there. Might even be ahead with his health and contract factored in!

    There aren’t many assets I wouldn’t offer if it brought him in and Minnesota might just be looking for a shakeup by season’s end.

    Coyle is just a great target that shouldn’t cost the world but could have quite the bounceback on our team. Also has overall positive impacts on goal share results, but not as strong as Zucker. If I could work a deal of Puljujarvi or Yamamoto and Spooner for him, I’d probably do it.

  86. Scungilli Slushy says:

    knighttown:
    (execution part 2)

    I want you to picture Lucic’s goal and how that came to be.No Shark made a terrible play and no Oilers made a McDavid-esque highlight reel play.It’s just three linemates making three quietly solid plays.Puljujaarvi stretched to reach a puck along the wall, spun and backhanded it to Nuge.Nuge was in the proper lane, corralled the pass and fed a beauty to Lucic.Lucic filled the lane, received the pass and buried it.

    Nothing terrible by the Sharks and nothing amazing by the Oilers…just three players making three good plays.

    Where we suffer is that the Oilers stringing 3 good plays together is so rare for this group.Picture Chiasson on the penalty kill with McDavid.Steal #1 and 97 streaks down the wall.#39 stares at him in paralysis, can’t sort out the passing lane and dumps it down the ice.An even decent play gives McDavid a 1-on-1 against Karlsson and probably a scoring chance.

    Inconceivably Chiasson gets another chance 20 seconds later when he steals a fumbled puck and he and McDavid are off to the races but he basically vomits the puck 10 feet in front of him directly to the retreating Shark defenseman.

    Easy, easy plays and we just can’t make them.

    Yes, and critical breakdowns. It’s great to get 3 points and have a positive Corsi or Fenwick, but brainfarting some gimmie goals makes it all mean nothing. Consistent execution is the thing that has to happen to move forward, more than acquiring better players.

    Better is important, but if they get dragged down to what the Oilers currently do and don’t produce at previous levels, there may be no gain and there would be a cost.

  87. Chief Inspector says:

    knighttown:
    (execution part 2)

    I want you to picture Lucic’s goal and how that came to be.No Shark made a terrible play and no Oilers made a McDavid-esque highlight reel play.It’s just three linemates making three quietly solid plays.Puljujaarvi stretched to reach a puck along the wall, spun and backhanded it to Nuge.Nuge was in the proper lane, corralled the pass and fed a beauty to Lucic.Lucic filled the lane, received the pass and buried it.

    Nothing terrible by the Sharks and nothing amazing by the Oilers…just three players making three good plays.

    Where we suffer is that the Oilers stringing 3 good plays together is so rare for this group.Picture Chiasson on the penalty kill with McDavid.Steal #1 and 97 streaks down the wall.#39 stares at him in paralysis, can’t sort out the passing lane and dumps it down the ice.An even decent play gives McDavid a 1-on-1 against Karlsson and probably a scoring chance.

    Inconceivably Chiasson gets another chance 20 seconds later when he steals a fumbled puck and he and McDavid are off to the races but he basically vomits the puck 10 feet in front of him directly to the retreating Shark defenseman.

    Easy, easy plays and we just can’t make them.

    +1

  88. Bruce McCurdy says:

    JimmyV1965: From what I can see the Oilers have only traded a first round pick once in the last 20 years. In a deal that any fan sitting in front of a computer in their basement could see was a disaster. How is trading the first round pick more digging? This team can accumulate first round picks from here to eternity, but they will NEVER turn the corner until they start drafting and developing players after the first round. This team will continue digging its hole by drafting first round talents and inserting them into the NHL lineup when they are too young and with zero support. This team absolutely needs another legit top six forward. Period. Does JP have a better chance of developing his game playing with RNH and Lucic, or RNH and Tarasenko, or someone similar? Your insistence on using terms like moronic certainly gives me the impression you think you’re the smartest guy in the room. You’d be a perfect fit on the Oiler mngt team.

    Oilers traded their first rounder for Dwayne Roloson in 2006. Not a disaster in my books.

  89. knighttown says:

    So I think it’s also time we have a chat about Caleb Jones. This the 3rd time in two weeks he’s directly caused a goal with CHL level one-on-one defense and it’s been against the leagues middle and bottom sixers.

    Last night Melker Karlsson got him with a stutter step and boom, it’s in the net. Because he’s a favorite and Russell and Talbot aren’t they’ll be lots of blame for the swimming Russ and the backhander sneaking through on Talbot, but that was quite a poor play by the rookie. In isolation? No problem but…

    Against the Kings, Kyle Clifford danced around him on the same side of the ice and scored a goal.

    And the 3rd was…well I forget…but I remember the play. Winger got the puck on the right wing and had a huge gap. Skated in at Jones and fired it through him for the goal.

    So as a guy who coaches defense, I have to wonder if this is the reason Jones plays right defense. In all three cases his gap was horrid and it makes me wonder if he struggles with his reverse pivots on that side?

    On last nights goal especially, he skated at Karlsson more like a forward angling the player off rather than skating toward him to lessen the gap and then sliding into a reverse pivot.

    Watch it again…it’s bizarre.

    Anyway, I’d understand if people say “rookies are gonna rook” but I can’t recall Nurse getting beat cleanly on 3 x 1-on-1’s in the last two years.

    These things don’t happen as often as you’d think, in the non-McDavid division.

    I know Larsson gets beat a few times a year.

    I remember Benning getting walked by Pastrnak.

    Klefbom used to get beat a lot but I can’t remember any this season.

    I’m not saying Jones is bad I’m just identifying what seems to be an observable issue.

  90. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Hard Target Search isn’t that hard.

    Look at all teams better than us: They’re going to playoffs.Unless it’s personal reasons, a bigger trade ain’t happening.

    Look at the bubble teams:Depends on how their management feel their season is going to go and if it’s worth taking Edmonton’s 1st rounder.

    So that leaves us with the No Hopers:Could be some bargains to be had here.

    I’m looking square at St. Louis.Tarensenko and Parayko or either one.Prefer Vlad.We need scoring.

    JP and a 1st?I’d do it.

    Let’s look at facts.A mid 1st rounder probably won’t help us in a meaningful way for 3 to 4 years.And that’s even if we develop properly.

    The hardest thing about this decision is what if we trade and still turn out with good lottery odds.

    Although I have no issue trading the first round pick, it probably has to be done in the offseason. We should probably have a clear understanding where we are drafting. I think we could draft anywhere from 10-16, or top three. And if the team is moving on from Chia, it’s not fair to make a trade like that before the new GM is hired. I would actually prefer trading the first round pick than JP. We have invested a lot of time in this kid.

  91. Melman says:

    godot10: The Oilers have to stop digging.Furthering the cap hell, and losing more high picks means no competent person will consider the Oilers GM position.And one will lock in the impossibility of ever competing with McDavid on his current contract.

    What we need is an organizational admission that they massively screwed up since drafting McDavid, clear out the management, confine the OBC to Studio 99 and the Alumni Room, and beg STeve Yzerman to come save Connor McDavid’s prime years.

    The OIlers are not a 1st round draft pick trade away, so trading it is absolutely moronic.

    Hey Steve, it’s Daryl. I know your family stayed in Detroit when you went to TB, but since you’re leaving the Bolts can you do me a solid and take over here? Connor’s desperate to win and we’re a mess. We have higher taxes, colder weather and longer flights to MoTown, but you’ll get to hang with Wayne, Kev and the boys. Whatchya say?… Steve? Stevie? Hello?

  92. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ben: Assuming you’re referencing 16 for Reinhart, but you’re forgetting one.

    The Roloson trade is sort of an interesting case study for contemplating a trade of the 1st this year.

    The ’06 team was by no means guaranteed a playoff spot when they made the Rollie deal. IIRC they clinched with the second last game of the year, largely because VAN was enthusiastically shitting the bed down the stretch.

    They had a superstar in Pronger and pretty solid depth across the lineup, to which they’d also added a top-4 D, a PP D and a second-line scorer.

    If the 2019 team had *one or two* obvious holes to fill, then maybe you pull the trigger.

    But they don’t. They’re short *literally* 3-4 top-six forwards and a top-4 defenceman.

    So unless you’re trading the first rounder for Philly’s entire second line, Provorov and a magical bucket of cap space, well…

    …as the great French philosopher Maréebasse once said: “Gardez votre poudre sec”.

    This is really where I’m at as well. Trading the first cannot be a desperate move to make the playoffs. It has to be a long-term objective. And that likely makes more sense in the off-season. And I really dread the idea of Chia pulling the trigger.

  93. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Jethro Tull: Paul Stastny to WPG last year. I’ve heard it said here the WPG GM is a smart cookie that doesn’t burn picks on rentals.

    Speaking of WPG GM,

    I was at the US/Russia Semi-Final game last week with a buddy that gave me a ticket.
    It was quite literally the worst seat in the house.
    Sitting in front of me.
    Cheveldayoff.

    I asked him how he ended up with such a shitty seat.
    He laughed and said, “cheap ownership squeezing every penny.”

  94. Munny says:

    knighttown,

    I think that is a fair assessment.

  95. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    JimmyV1965,

    So there is JP and I’d also say Nuge and maybe Gagner (but I’d highly recommend looking at his draft class and where he slots on career points) for players who may have been brought in too fast.

    IMHO Yakupov was and is a bust… it happens, sucks when it does but it does (Atlanta had a bust in Stefan for example and Erik Johnson never lived up to his position either).

    Of that list of rushed guys two are 1st overalls – removing goalies from the equation (Fleury, DiPietro) you have to go back to Chris Philips in 1996 as the only example of a #1 overall who didn’t suit up immediately for his team. This is only to say you are bucking a very serious trend by sending a #1 overall down, if we’re looking at stuff in hindsight.

    Aside from them we have players like: Drai, Nurse, Klefbom, Benson, Yamamoto, Jones, Bear, Perrson, Lagesson, Eberle, Gilbert (developing done by multiple teams), Petry, Dubnyk, Cogliano, Stoll, Hemsky, Winchester, Brodziak, etc.

    Many of whom may have played NHL games in their Draft 1 season but were sent back and or down in some cases for several years.

    Many of these players were later traded but went and are continuing to have very good careers.

    I know the narrative around rushing players but are we sure it’s backed up by evidence and are we sure its dramatically different for other teams?

    I think you’re a lot closer on “not surrounding them with talent,” when they arrive in the NHL. That’s the biggest issue IMO

  96. New Improved Darkness says:

    You are here:

    In the episode, an alien female beams aboard the ship and, after incapacitating the rest of the crew, surgically removes Spock’s brain. Kirk and the crew have just hours to locate and restore it before Spock’s body dies.

    The episode is widely regarded as the worst episode of the series.

    McCoy decides to risk using the Teacher himself, and then quickly begins the procedure to restore Spock’s brain. His new knowledge begins to leave him before the operation is complete, but Spock provides assistance after McCoy reestablishes his ability to speak.

    The current GM has no brain, a fresh GM will have no knowledge.

    Though we can all be sure the Boys on the Bus will provide a courtesy reach-around: Here, let me help you with that. As I recall with half a working brain, I’m a dab hand with a scalpel—even when partially anaesthetised.

    There are some things you just can’t fix in mid flight.

    Any experienced GM out there willing to take on this mess on an interim basis would constitute an alien invasion—no such person would arrive with his own brain encased where it’s supposed to reside.

    You go to war with the army you have. Half way through a massacre, usually the existing brass remains to muddle through. Because you don’t want to insert a fresh GM mid-amputation—on the general principle of keeping your saviours dry.

  97. Dicky94 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    This is why i don’t see anything significant happening before the deadline. We are in cap hell and no team is going to take any of our bad contracts at this time. Lots of work to do in the summer starting with Chia being fired. Although I’d like to see that happen today.

  98. giddy says:

    Ben:
    No hyperbole here: is this one of the offensively thinnest groups of wingers in league history?

    Pretty much.

    Chiasson’s insane 32% sh% season long heater is the only bright spot.

    Total goals by wingers (excluding Chiasson’s 17 and including Spooner, as he’s played wing a fair amount since coming here): 22

    To make things even worse, SEVEN of those 22 were scored by a guy who was traded, so really our current winger corp has 15 total goals after 43 (!!!!!) games! All while being at the salary cap. Sometimes this team really hurts my brain to think about.

  99. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Oilers traded their first rounder for Dwayne Roloson in 2006. Not a disaster in my books.

    Thanks Bruce. That deal did work nicely.

  100. Side says:

    Don’t worry all, a lot of the Boys on the Bus are in their late 50s/early 60s. Another Decade of Darkness and hopefully some of them will have retired by then.

  101. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Potential trade/UFA signing targets (in no particular order):

    Nick Schmaltz
    Brandon Pirri
    Ryan Dzingel
    J.T. Compher
    Alexander Kerfoot
    Kevin Fiala
    Jakub Vrana
    Brett Connolly

    This is just a list compiled cruising CapFriendly’s UFA list sorted by PPG in descending order, from the first 50 names. Not a commentary on skill set, team fit, handedness, size, etc. Just a list of guys who are cheap, produce, and get at least an average of about 14 mins per game. Idea being, to find someone who could grow into more minutes and contribute to the team.

    Honest question, is anyone on the list above worse than the bonafide top-6 forwards already on our team?

  102. --hudson-- says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Oilers traded their first rounder for Dwayne Roloson in 2006. Not a disaster in my books.

    Also the Parise pick for the Pouliot + Jacques picks them trading up for Riley Nash a few years later.

    It seems trading or flipping first rounders has mostly not worked out.

  103. OmJo says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    OmJo,

    Yeah well so it comes back to firing the GM anyway. Get on it Bob.

    Alternatively has there been a case in professiobal sports (perhaps upper tier easter european football?) where a fanbase has risen up and taken over operations? Who is our Robespierre? Gilets Orange time.

    That would be something.

    And by something I mean a disaster lol

  104. Dr. Taboggan says:

    It is going to be crazy when the Oilers have three players at seasons end who are around a point-per-game and still miss the playoffs.

    Honestly, there is no short-term fix for this steamy pile. Oilers can only wait out bad contracts and trade them when possible (Lucic, Russell, Sekera, Kassian, Brodziak, Spooner, Manning) and hope some of the prospects start to emerge (hopefully not too fast because we will not be able to afford them).

    The Oilers list of tradable assets is basically nothing. Most trades would just be robbing Peter to pay Polly because this organization is so devoid of depth.

    And we still don’t have a reliable goalie. Yay!

  105. Buddy says:

    What if Katz had taken the $42 million he’ll pay Lucic and invested it in amateur and pro scouting instead? I wonder if we’d be starting to see the results now.

  106. JimmyV1965 says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    JimmyV1965,

    So there is JP and I’d also say Nuge and maybe Gagner (but I’d highly recommend looking at his draft class and where he slots on career points) for players who may have been brought in too fast.

    IMHO Yakupov was and is a bust… it happens, sucks when it does but it does (Atlanta had a bust in Stefan for example and Erik Johnson never lived up to his position either).

    Of that list of rushed guys two are 1st overalls – removing goalies from the equation (Fleury, DiPietro) you have to go back to Chris Philips in 1996 as the only example of a #1 overall who didn’t suit up immediately for his team. This is only to say you are bucking a very serious trend by sending a #1 overall down, if we’re looking at stuff in hindsight.

    Aside from them we have players like: Drai, Nurse, Klefbom, Benson, Yamamoto, Jones, Bear, Perrson, Lagesson, Eberle, Gilbert (developing done by multiple teams), Petry, Dubnyk, Cogliano, Stoll, Hemsky, Winchester, Brodziak, etc.

    Many of whom may have played NHL games in their Draft 1 season but were sent back and or down in some cases for several years.

    Many of these players were later traded but went and are continuing to have very good careers.

    I know the narrative around rushing players but are we sure it’s backed up by evidence and are we sure its dramatically different for other teams?

    I think you’re a lot closer on “not surrounding them with talent,” when they arrive in the NHL. That’s the biggest issue IMO

    I guess this depends on what you consider rushing a player. It’s clear that very few of our first round draft picks spend any significant time in the AHL. I think MPS is the only one who played more than 60 games in the minors and that was over two years. I think the vast majority of players need much more time in the AHL, even if they stay in junior in their draft +1 and draft +2 years. The jump from junior to the NHL is just to significant for everyone but a handful of players, even if they are 19 or 20 years old.

    Maybe you’re right though. We have drafted so high for so many years. Many of our picks have been top 3 and the rules are different. But clearly kids like JP we’re not ready for the NHL and that was apparent very early.

  107. JimmyV1965 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Potential trade/UFA signing targets (in no particular order):

    Nick Schmaltz
    Brandon Pirri
    Ryan Dzingel
    J.T. Compher
    Alexander Kerfoot
    Kevin Fiala
    Jakub Vrana
    Brett Connolly

    This is just a list compiled cruising CapFriendly’s UFA list sorted by PPG in descending order, from the first 50 names.Not a commentary on skill set, team fit, handedness, size, etc.Just a list of guys who are cheap, produce, and get at least an average of about 14 mins per game.Idea being, to find someone who could grow into more minutes and contribute to the team.

    Honest question, is anyone on the list above worse than the bonafide top-6 forwards already on our team?

    I think virtually everyone on that list is our fourth best forward.

  108. giddy says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Potential trade/UFA signing targets (in no particular order):

    Nick Schmaltz
    Brandon Pirri
    Ryan Dzingel
    J.T. Compher
    Alexander Kerfoot
    Kevin Fiala
    Jakub Vrana
    Brett Connolly

    This is just a list compiled cruising CapFriendly’s UFA list sorted by PPG in descending order, from the first 50 names.Not a commentary on skill set, team fit, handedness, size, etc.Just a list of guys who are cheap, produce, and get at least an average of about 14 mins per game.Idea being, to find someone who could grow into more minutes and contribute to the team.

    Honest question, is anyone on the list above worse than the bonafide top-6 forwards already on our team?

    I’m curious where the Brandon Pirri story goes. 42 pts in 29 AHL games last year. Solid numbers. 10 pts in 8 NHL games is pretty cool, too.

  109. CrazyCoach says:

    godot10: What we need is an organizational admission that they massively screwed up since drafting McDavid, clear out the management, confine the OBC to Studio 99 and the Alumni Room, and beg STeve Yzerman to come save Connor McDavid’s prime years.

    I would love to see Steve Yzerman come to Edmonton, but I’ve heard he wants to be near family now more than anything. I can admire that.

    It sure wold be nice to have him in Edmonton though.

  110. Jethro Tull says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Speaking of WPG GM,

    I was at the US/Russia Semi-Final game last week with a buddy that gave me a ticket.
    It was quite literally the worst seat in the house.
    Sitting in front of me.
    Cheveldayoff.

    I asked him how he ended up with such a shitty seat.
    He laughed and said, “cheap ownership squeezing every penny.”

    Thanks, I love stories like this!

  111. HT Joe says:

    godot10: Two. They offer sheeted Dustin Penner.

    Oh yeah… that turned into Tyler Myers, no?

  112. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Chelios is a Dinosaur,

    There’s a lot of “good teams don’t trade their 1st rounders for a year or two of a bona fide star” rhetoric going around the Oil logoshpere and on the early morning AM radio.

    A certain Erik Karlsson played against us last night.And SJ are a good team.

    Paul Stastny to WPG last year.I’ve heard it said here the WPG GM is a smart cookie that doesn’t burn picks on rentals.

    Those teams were/are legitimate contenders with deep farm systems.

  113. godot10 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Speaking of WPG GM,

    I was at the US/Russia Semi-Final game last week with a buddy that gave me a ticket.
    It was quite literally the worst seat in the house.
    Sitting in front of me.
    Cheveldayoff.

    I asked him how he ended up with such a shitty seat.
    He laughed and said, “cheap ownership squeezing every penny.”

    Scouts sit high in the corners. Those are not the worst seats. For them, they are the best seats.

  114. LMHF#1 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:

    Honestly, there is no short-term fix for this steamy pile.

    Of course there is. This is free agency era professional sports.

    1. Fire GM
    2. Hire GM with mandate to reload by any means necessary.
    3. Trade dead weight contracts with necessary adds to clear salary room.
    4. Sign/trade for replacement players who don’t stink because your GM has a clue about talent development.

    $20M in clear cap space can solve just about any problem a hockey team has. This team should have been debating/in the running to add Stastny, Duchene, Tavares, Karlsson, Hoffman and all kinds of others, and has been completely hamstrung because the GM and pro scouts are incompetent.

    This isn’t near the mountain people are making it out to be…even if the current deeply flawed team had simply been able to add a quality RHD, at any point during the Sekera absence, the Oilers would be in a playoff position and people would be acting like everything is fine (it wouldn’t be, because the fact that that has become the standard is utterly laughable…but here we are).

    An expansion team went to the damn Stanley Cup. If the Oilers are going to exist in this parity parody of a league, they might as well take advantage of it.

  115. LMHF#1 says:

    Re: the broader debate on trading picks – I can’t understand for the life of me why people don’t see that, given the era in pro sports, a strong group of managers can simply:

    1 – Trade picks for needed parts and win, thus accomplishing the goal.

    OR

    2 – Re-acquire picks for players through trade if their evaluation was off/the team had a bad year.

    The picks are never gone forever.Even though it doesn’t seem like it, there’s generally some joker out there willing to give you 2 great ones for Griffin Reinhart.

  116. Oilin4 says:

    This dog does a pretty amazing Kris Russel impersonation.

    https://twitter.com/SanJoseSharks/status/1082889125152284672

  117. giddy says:

    HT Joe,

    You know, gotta hand it to Lowe sometimes. He ran the team into the ground, but the guy made some bold moves.

    Remember when he orchestrated a trade to get Heatley for Penner, Cogs and Smid with Ottawa willing to make the trade, but Heatley saying no?

    Ahh, dark days.

  118. McNuge93 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Oilers traded their first rounder for Dwayne Roloson in 2006. Not a disaster in my books.
    But current Oilers are no where being able to win a cup so we shouldn’t be trading the first.

    Any idea who was drafted with that pick. Roloson would have won them a cup if he wasn’t injured so I agree seemed like a good trade.

  119. Bruce McCurdy says:

    CrazyCoach: I would love to see Steve Yzerman come to Edmonton, but I’ve heard he wants to be near family now more than anything.I can admire that.

    It sure wold be nice to have him in Edmonton though.

    Simple: Kidnap his family.

  120. godot10 says:

    HT Joe: Oh yeah… that turned into Tyler Myers, no?

    I was in the midst of correcting this post. I had forgotten Roloson. The Oilers used a first round pick on Penner when they offersheeted him.

    So…the Parise pick, Roloson, Penner, the trade up for Nash, and the Reinhart trade.

    The only one that was successful was when the Oilers had a roster that could contend…and as others have mentioned they added a lot more than Roloson.

  121. Bruce McCurdy says:

    godot10: So Oscar Klefbom should be a Hart Trophy Candidate.

    Klefbom WOWY:

    Oilers with: 31 GP, 17-12-2, -4 GD (empty netters mostly), +33 SD
    Oilers without: 12 GP, 3-8-1, -15 GD, -112 SD

    So they are worse by over one goal per game and over 10 shots per game. It’s pretty stark.

    Obviously these samples didn’t occur in a vacuum, unless you are talking about Peter Chiarelli’s head space when he thought that Brandon Manning was the solution to fill in for Oscar.

  122. texmex says:

    McNuge93,

    Oilers acquired Rollie for a 2006 1st round pick (17th) and a conditional 3rd in 2006

    The Los Angeles Kings traded Pavol Demitra to the Minnesota Wild for Patrick O’Sullivan and the 17th pick.

    LA selected Trevor Lewis 17th in 2006.

    Good trade for the Oilers I reckon.

  123. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: I was in the midst of correcting this post.I had forgotten Roloson.The Oilers used a first round pick on Penner when they offersheeted him.

    So…the Parise pick, Roloson, Penner, the trade up for Nash, and the Reinhart trade.

    The only one that was successful was when the Oilers had a roster that could contend…and as others have mentioned they added a lot more than Roloson.

    They had a roster that could contend, but felt they had to send a significant portion of it out to get different roster players……to contend?

    One one these things is not like the other.

    Who’s your got to whipping boy now that ya boi Todd isn’t here and it stills sucks?

    As a general, non directed aside, what ever happened to “get good players, keep good players”?

    Well, we have shitty players. We need good players. Three ways to get them. Draft, Trade, UFA.
    We need them now. So that’s draft and UFA out the window. Pete’s painted us into a corner cap wise. A 1st rounder we’re probably going to screw up anyway is a price I feel has to be paid. Or we’ll be known as the organisation that pissed away McDavid, because we’ll blink and 3 or 4 years will have passed, but we’ll still convince ourselves to “stay the course”.

  124. McNuge93 says:

    texmex:
    McNuge93,

    Oilers acquired Rollie for a 2006 1st round pick (17th) and a conditional 3rd in 2006

    The Los Angeles Kings traded Pavol Demitra to the Minnesota Wild for Patrick O’Sullivan and the 17th pick.

    LA selected Trevor Lewis 17th in 2006.

    Good trade for the Oilers I reckon.

    Yep, and have to hand it to their scouting at the time. Their goaltending was garbage and Rollie was a decent goalie but struggled to be a true starter. But he gave the Oilers 4 years of good goaltending.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Chelios is a Dinosaur,

    There’s a lot of “good teams don’t trade their 1st rounders for a year or two of a bona fide star” rhetoric going around the Oil logoshpere and on the early morning AM radio.

    A certain Erik Karlsson played against us last night.And SJ are a good team.

    Paul Stastny to WPG last year.I’ve heard it said here the WPG GM is a smart cookie that doesn’t burn picks on rentals.

    LOL well yes except one season in Edmonton seems to be enough to convince most veteran players Pitkanen/ Perron/Pronger and now probably Lucic that they don’t like playing for the Oilers very much(I blame management but what do I know about business)who in turn blame the fans.

  126. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: we’ll be known as the organisation that pissed away McDavid

    …instead of the organisation that’s pissing away McDavid

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If they do trade for an established player without moving one out it will also cost losing another player or asset at the expansion draft.

    Without expansion it might make sense if a good deal was there, but there is expansion.

    I prefer waiting for Klefbom and Sekera to return. Playing without them is a big part of the scoring issues. Sure SJ gets by with their issues but they also have a mature forward core and years of structured team play and that makes a huge difference.

    There is no guarantee adding a good scorer in itself is enough to push them in to the playoffs, I think it’s too risky to give up much and then still fail.

    Once the D has more quality team play should improve and goalie play in seeing less clean shots and players open close to the net. Sekera played well season in the tournament, his current injury shouldn’t affect that. He just needs his sea legs and lungs back, even 3rd pairing that is an improvement.

    Trading for who they did was a waste of time cap and better assets likely could have come at the deadline for Cags as stated.

    I want to see them let Hitch work on team play and individual play and this summer start clearing cap. Russell and Sekera so they don’t need protection unless they waive, but I’d rather get the assets trading them, and one has to go at least anyway because cap.

    Pump Lucic as much as possible, maybe the line he’s on can play thirds and get points. I have said use Connor to get him you but maybe Nuge can.

    I really don’t want to lose a good player after next season being pointlessly rash now. If one of the young players hits it next season that’l be loss enough in the expansion. Take your lumps for bad luck in Sekera and the decisions made last summer and wait until the best time to get to work.

  128. Alpine says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Potential trade/UFA signing targets (in no particular order):

    Nick Schmaltz
    Brandon Pirri
    Ryan Dzingel
    J.T. Compher
    Alexander Kerfoot
    Kevin Fiala
    Jakub Vrana
    Brett Connolly

    This is just a list compiled cruising CapFriendly’s UFA list sorted by PPG in descending order, from the first 50 names.Not a commentary on skill set, team fit, handedness, size, etc.Just a list of guys who are cheap, produce, and get at least an average of about 14 mins per game.Idea being, to find someone who could grow into more minutes and contribute to the team.

    Honest question, is anyone on the list above worse than the bonafide top-6 forwards already on our team?

    Schmaltz, Vrana, Fiala, Compher, and Kerfoot are all RFAs. I suppose you could go the offer sheet route with some of them.

    I’m surprised more of these 2nd line types don’t get offer sheeted more.

    None of them are SO good where only getting picks back is a disaster and if it feels like it’s too many picks or too much cap space to give up, the player is young enough to improve and recoup the picks.

    The Penner offer sheet was pretty beneficial for all parties and the process went much like the above. Penner got his payday, Ducks got a mid first rounder and mid second rounder. Oilers got some decent production out of Penner then flipped him for a first and a third.

  129. Primetime says:

    texmex:
    McNuge93,

    Oilers acquired Rollie for a 2006 1st round pick (17th) and a conditional 3rd in 2006

    The Los Angeles Kings traded Pavol Demitra to the Minnesota Wild for Patrick O’Sullivan and the 17th pick.

    LA selected Trevor Lewis 17th in 2006.

    Good trade for the Oilers I reckon.

    Yep. We got a ride to the Finals (due to other moves as well). If you look at the rest of the first round players (ie. players who would have been available for the Oilers to pick at 17), there was Giroux, Varlamov and whole lot of nothing…

    Assuming that the Oil would not have chose Giroux, it was well worth spending the 1st.

  130. hunter1909 says:

    giddy:
    HT Joe,

    You know, gotta hand it to Lowe sometimes. He ran the team into the ground, but the guy made some bold moves.

    Remember when he orchestrated a trade to get Heatley for Penner, Cogs and Smid with Ottawa willing to make the trade, but Heatley saying no?

    Ahh, dark days.

    Lowe’s brain became addled from alcohol(I’m both Irish and from a large family of drinkers and have seen it many times where someone degenerates from overuse of drink); rendering his persona from a pretty decent dude into the raving Uncle Kevin we all saw at MacT’s GM presser.

    I haven’t seen Lowe speak publicly once since then. Or even seen much. One thing is certain: he wields all kinds of influence with preoccupied owner Katz.

  131. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Deep, successful organizations don’t trade first round picks to squeak into the playoffs. And if we want to be among the perennial contenders at some point, we need to start acting like them. How long was Winnipeg in the middle of the pack, and resisted mortgaging the future for one round of the playoffs despite everyone screaming for them to make a move. Look at them now for crying out loud!! Patience people.

    I’ll tell you who does trade first round picks to squeak into the playoffs though… Desperate GM’s! Which is why Chiarelli needs to go now. Get someone in there who doesn’t have a gun to his head to make the playoffs. Keeping the powder dry is definitely the play here. Hopefully we can stay close enough that Klefbom’s abs can drag us to the wildcard spot when he gets back.

  132. hunter1909 says:

    It makes no difference, but having checked out the standings the Oilers should probably consider dropping down into the top 3 because it’s the only way they seem to have any chance of getting a good player – also I’m conditioned to equate this with team success ha ha ha

  133. frjohnk says:

    Since Dec 12th ( when Klefbom went down)

    Oilers are 3-8-1
    7 points in 12 games.

    43.2% CF% ( 31st)
    40.9 %FF% ( 31st)
    40.9% SF% ( 31st)
    39.3% GF% ( 28th)
    36.7% HDCF% ( 31st)

    Thats DOD team metrics.

    Koskinen save % .882 in 8 appearances. 3.98 GAA
    Talbot save % .897 in 7 appearances. 3.41 GAA

    Scrivens, Fasth and friends from the Oiler goalie graveyard are saying “holy shit, those are some pathetic numbers”

    With the way the Oilers season has gone, winning streak, losing streak, winning streak, losing streak. Id say its time the team goes on another winning streak.

  134. hunter1909 says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Deep, successful organizations don’t trade first round picks to squeak into the playoffs.And if we want to be among the perennial contenders at some point, we need to start acting like them.How long was Winnipeg in the middle of the pack, and resisted mortgaging the future for one round of the playoffs despite everyone screaming for them to make a move.Look at them now for crying out loud!!Patience people.

    I’ll tell you who does trade first round picks to squeak into the playoffs though… Desperate GM’s!Which is why Chiarelli needs to go now.Get someone in there who doesn’t have a gun to his head to make the playoffs.Keeping the powder dry is definitely the play here.Hopefully we can stay close enough that Klefbom’s abs can drag us to the wildcard spot when he gets back.

    You’re 100% right.

    Unfortunately those who run the team have an agenda which is more to do with themselves keeping lifetime cushy jobs than anything else and all they have to do is pull the wool over the eyes of a fawning billionaire boss/friend/fan.

    Given the disaster they’ve proven to be, the OBC in all it’s permutations plays a “long game” which includes keeping Katz hopeful that another dynasty is coming.

  135. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    I’ve been thinking of candidates for a while now, and of course (because Oilers) my top two candidates were recently hired or promoted.

    Julien Briesbois
    Paul Fenton

    So from famous names, that leaves a few potential candidates with the chops to turn this rig around.

    Michael Futa
    Kelly McCrimmon

    After that I start to run out of famous names. Part of me wonders if Slats would come out of retirement (Hitch says “hi!”), but the way NYR were trending under his tenure I wonder about the value in that re hire lol.

  136. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Russell was missing for most of the time Klef has been out. I know people are not hot on Russell but he was still playing in the top four. Hard to win with half of the top four injured (plus Sekera).

  137. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR,

    I think the dislocation is between ppl who dont want to trade the pick for the purposes of squeeking into the playoffs (Simmons?) and those who think the pick can be used to address structural issues, which may help the team to sneek into the playoffs but will have a cascading effect on the lineup and the prospects that aready are in the system.

    Though I agree with the larger point that PC has to go before any sognificant move is made.

  138. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Pretty crazy that Lucic has gone from the special guy to protect McDavid to the special-guy-who-might-require-McDavid-just-for-a-pump-n-dump-but-maybe-not-even-hes-that-bad-hell-ruin-McDavid

  139. who says:

    Jethro Tull: They had a roster that could contend, but felt they had to send a significant portion of it out to get different roster players……to contend?

    One one these things is not like the other.

    Who’s your got to whipping boy now that ya boi Todd isn’t here and it stills sucks?

    As a general, non directed aside, what ever happened to “get good players, keep good players”?

    Well, we have shitty players. We need good players.Three ways to get them. Draft, Trade, UFA.
    We need them now.So that’s draft and UFA out the window.Pete’s painted us into a corner cap wise.A 1st rounder we’re probably going to screw up anyway is a price I feel has to be paid.Or we’ll be known as the organisation that pissed away McDavid, because we’ll blink and 3 or 4 years will have passed, but we’ll still convince ourselves to “stay the course”.

    Trading the 1st seems like a panic move to me. Especially when it could easily be a top 10 pick.
    Does anyone here believe that the Oilers can add enough to make them a cup contender this year? If so, I admire your confidence.
    I think this team has a few steps to take before they are ready to contend.
    Step 1. Fire Chia ASAP
    Step 2. Unload as many contracts as you can between now and summer 2020. This is why Step 1 is so important. Chia has already shown he is willing to add to the teams cap commitment for next year to try and salvage this season. Not good.
    A new (or interim) GM will not have any qualms about dumping some of Chias signings. A Lucic, and even Sekera, dump may not be possible. But a competent GM may be able to move guys like Russell, Spooner, Manning, Benning, Kassian, etc.. Some of these contracts will have to be moved before the Oilers can even consider adding a significant player.
    Step 3. Start incorporating some of our young players into the lineup as early as next fall. We have some young, cheap prospects to choose from. We just don’t know how many will make it. Or what their ceilings are. We are just starting to see the fruits of Chias drafting in guys like Jones and JP. There are more coming.
    Step 4. Evaluate in summer of 2020. By then we should know where the holes are moving forward. And we should have the cap space to do something about them.
    Does anyone really think they can turn this around any sooner?

  140. v4ance says:

    LMHF#1: Of course there is. This is free agency era professional sports.

    1. Fire GM
    2. Hire GM with mandate to reload by any means necessary.
    3. Trade dead weight contracts with necessary adds to clear salary room.
    4. Sign/trade for replacement players who don’t stink because your GM has a clue about talent development.

    $20M in clear cap space can solve just about any problem a hockey team has. This team should have been debating/in the running to add Stastny, Duchene, Tavares, Karlsson, Hoffman and all kinds of others, and has been completely hamstrung because the GM and pro scouts are incompetent.

    This isn’t near the mountain people are making it out to be…even if the current deeply flawed team had simply been able to add a quality RHD, at any point during the Sekera absence, the Oilers would be in a playoff position and people would be acting like everything is fine (it wouldn’t be, because the fact that that has become the standard is utterly laughable…but here we are).

    An expansion team went to the damn Stanley Cup. If the Oilers are going to exist in this parity parody of a league, they might as well take advantage of it.

    When Chiarelli was hired he had:

    Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Drai, Klef, Nurse, a boatload of draft picks, the right to draft Connor McDavid 1st overall and $20 million in cap room.

    Now he’s subtracted Hall and Ebs while pissing away #16 and #33 and has no cap room and the team is arguably as bad or worse than what he started with. What a waste of money and time.

  141. CrazyCoach says:

    knighttown: Where we suffer is that the Oilers stringing 3 good plays together is so rare for this group. Picture Chiasson on the penalty kill with McDavid. Steal #1 and 97 streaks down the wall. #39 stares at him in paralysis, can’t sort out the passing lane and dumps it down the ice. An even decent play gives McDavid a 1-on-1 against Karlsson and probably a scoring chance.

    Inconceivably Chiasson gets another chance 20 seconds later when he steals a fumbled puck and he and McDavid are off to the races but he basically vomits the puck 10 feet in front of him directly to the retreating Shark defenseman.

    Easy, easy plays and we just can’t make them.

    Yeah, the basic execution of team play is horrible at best.

  142. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    What I gather from this thread is 2 things:

    1. Trading 1 round picks is only a good idea when making moves from very good team to contender.
    2. Oilers are historically terrible.

    Seems to me we ought to be willing to consider breaking some rules to pull out of this death spiral. I wonder if with McDavid going from fairly middling to decent, as might be the case otherwise, might instead be a qualitative leap from middling to really good enough to win most nights…

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Mikeoes:
    Why do I want to trade away our 1st?Because Connor needs help now, not in the 3 or 4 years it would take (maybe if lucky) for that 1st rounder to help the team. JP was drafted 2.5 seasons ago 4th OV. Is he helping the team win yet? Nope. We cant afford to waste any more McD years. He is in his prime now (yes he hit it earlier than most he’s that good). His prime may not last forever (who knows if injuries will accumilate). Stop wasting time waiting for Sekera and figure out a way to Robidas island him ASAP. Pray for compliance buyout with new CBA (Lucic) and for god sakes, Fire Chiarelli and don’t let him make anymore trades.

    This is the opposite of my opinion on the path forward.

    McDavid is 21 years old and in the first year of an 8 year contract – he will essentially be in his prime for the entirety of that contract – I’m not worried about “wasting McDavid years” by taking the right approach which, for me, is to continue to be a bit patient.

    Aside from the Lucic contract, the anchor contracts all expire within the next two years and a few may be moveable within those 2 years (Russell, Sekera).

    The organization is about to start to reap the rewards of better drafting outside the first round and development as there are a ton of prospects that look to be on the verge of NHL readiness. Nope, not all will hit but a couple likely will and the team will start to be able to have young talented kids on their ELCs providing value for their contracts – these ELC contracts will start to replace the aging veteran contracts within the next few years (i.e. Jones and Bouchard instead of Russell and Sekera).

    Keep the prospects and the picks, try and move the anchor contracts or simply let them run their course.

    In a few years the cap situation will be much better, the core will be in its prime and there will be ability to improve substantially.

    ———————–

    As an aside “Robidas Island” is a terrible result – LTIR relief is a horrible way to manage the cap and highly limiting for off-season improvements as well as the ability to improve in-season due to not accumulating cap space throughout.

    Its fine for a team that isn’t near the upper cap limit but terrible for a team that is, like the Oiler.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    leeinvan:
    This team with the right management will be good in another 2 years. By then all the guaranteed contracts will be gone and their prospects will be making the team faster and more skilled.
    I think if the fans had honesty from management , they would be fine with this.
    It’s the, “don’t worry, we have a plan” Bulls#$t that pisses the fans off.
    The team is capped out and most of the valuable chips have been dealt away. If the plan was to run the team into the ground, mission accomplished.
    Bring in a new GM and do what the Rangers are doing, be honest with the fans and have a real plan, not something you drew up on a napkin 5 minutes before the year end meeting.

    Agree with your first sentence which lines up with my previous post.

  145. JimmyV1965 says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Deep, successful organizations don’t trade first round picks to squeak into the playoffs.And if we want to be among the perennial contenders at some point, we need to start acting like them.How long was Winnipeg in the middle of the pack, and resisted mortgaging the future for one round of the playoffs despite everyone screaming for them to make a move.Look at them now for crying out loud!!Patience people.

    I’ll tell you who does trade first round picks to squeak into the playoffs though… Desperate GM’s!Which is why Chiarelli needs to go now.Get someone in there who doesn’t have a gun to his head to make the playoffs.Keeping the powder dry is definitely the play here.Hopefully we can stay close enough that Klefbom’s abs can drag us to the wildcard spot when he gets back.

    I’m not sure I’ve seen any poster advocate trading a first round pick simply to get into the playoffs. The comments I’ve seen suggest trading a first round pick for a young established player with term. Trading a first for a pending UFA would be a desperate attempt to make the playoffs. This would be a huge fail.

  146. Jethro Tull says:

    who: Trading the 1st seems like a panic move to me. Especially when it could easily be a top 10 pick.
    Does anyone here believe that the Oilers can add enough to make them a cup contender this year? If so,I admire your confidence.
    I think this team has a few steps to take before they are ready to contend.
    Step 1. Fire Chia ASAP
    Step 2. Unload as many contracts as you can between now andsummer 2020. This is why Step 1 is so important. Chia has already shown he is willing to add to the teams cap commitment for next year to try and salvage this season. Not good.
    A new (orinterim) GM will not have any qualms about dumping some of Chias signings. A Lucic, and even Sekera, dump may not be possible. But a competent GM may be able to move guys like Russell,Spooner, Manning,Benning,Kassian, etc.. Some of these contracts will have to be moved before the Oilers can even consider adding a significant player.
    Step 3. Start incorporating some of our young players into the lineup as early as next fall. We have some young, cheap prospects to choose from. We just don’t know how many will make it. Or what their ceilings are. We are just starting to see the fruits of Chias drafting in guys like Jones and JP. There are more coming.
    Step 4. Evaluate in summer of 2020. By then we should know where the holes are moving forward. And we should have the cap space to do something about them.
    Does anyone really think they can turn this around any sooner?

    I totally get your point of view – slow and steady wins the race. It hinges on many things, primarily trusting these bozos to hire someone from outside.

    But this looks like the recipe for perpetual infini-build.

    Trading the 1st may be a panic move, but it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

    If we stay the course, the next logical step would be for everyone to not complain about this teams performances and accept that we aren’t a good hockey club and won’t be until our draft picks mature and McDavid wins a cup on a piss-cutter 3rd line with Hall and Eberle in NJ.

    That means we also can’t complain about players – we know what they are and further criticism is unneeded.

    Is that what we want? An Lowetide.ca where there’s no critique of anything? Is it?

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    If the Oilers are gonna make a run for the final wild card spot, any trades will have to be made long before the deadline. If they wait until Feb 25, they may be mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. Sadly, this may be the best outcome.

    Considering, they are only two points out of a playoff spot right now and that is with some major injuries and highly disappointing production from quite a few players, that seems highly unlikely.

    6 of the next 7 at home with some “softer” competition should be season defining

    In the next 2-4 weeks, there could be two major free acquisitions – Oscar Klefbom and Andrej Sekera.

  148. frjohnk says:

    v4ance: When Chiarelli was hired he had:

    Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Drai, Klef, Nurse, a boatload of draft picks, the right to draft Connor McDavid 1st overall and $20 million in cap room.

    Dont forget Khaira.

    I think he is one of the best bottom 6 value contract players in the league.

  149. CrazyCoach says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Simple: Kidnap his family.

    I have a feeling Stevie Y is like Liam Neeson on those “Taken” movies.

    The entire Oilers front office would have to go into hiding.

  150. godot10 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Russell was missing for most of the time Klef has been out. I know people are not hot on Russell but he was still playing in the top four. Hard to win with half of the top four injured (plus Sekera).

    Predicition: Russell will make a marginal difference at best. Russell has to be carried by a veteran. The only D Jones has looked horrible with is with Russell.

    San Jose was missing half of their top 4 last night also.

  151. Durag says:

    CrazyCoach.

    The entire Oilers front office would have to go into hiding.

    Also an acceptable result.

  152. McSorley33 says:

    We are literally watching the 2015 NHL draft class light up the league…..and people want
    Peter Chiarelli to trade our 1st round pick, again?

    Talk about Doubling Down.

    Cuz, we all have faith in our pro scouting department right?

    *************************************************************************
    Hey Honey, I have thought about it and I think I want to move
    back to our old house in Amityville. I’m gonna call the realtor….

  153. russ99 says:

    godot10,

    Only if you’re looking at Corsi.

    This is his second game back, didn’t expect the axes to come out so soon.

  154. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure I’ve seen any poster advocate trading a first round pick simply to get into the playoffs. The comments I’ve seen suggest trading a first round pick for a young established player with term. Trading a first for a pending UFA would be a desperate attempt to make the playoffs. This would be a huge fail.

    When you are trading that first for a young established player you should consider the player that one is going to be losing in the expansion draft, because one is also losing an expansion proof asset when trading the pick.

  155. Professor Q says:

    CrazyCoach: I have a feeling Stevie Y is like Liam Neeson on those “Taken” movies.

    The entire Oilers front office would have to go into hiding.

    Isn’t that favourable?

  156. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: Considering, they are only two points out of a playoff spot right now

    I went and had a peak at the standings

    The Flames, Knights and Sharks hold the 2nd, 3rd and 4th spots in the league. Wasnt it just over a month ago that the Pacific was flaming dog shit?

    Oilers of course, will be fighting for a wild card spot.
    GP Team Points
    43 avs 48
    42 wild 45
    43 ducks 45
    45 canucks 44
    43 oilers 43
    42 yotes 39

    Avs have 1st wild card. With what those 3 Pacific teams have done in the last month or so, it is not out of the question that the Oilers could catch them and get the 1st wild card.

    Currently
    Avs are on pace for 91 points.
    Wild on pace for 88 points.
    Ducks 85
    Canucks 80
    Oilers 82

    Avs have 1st wild card. With what those 3 Pacific teams have done in the last month or so, it is not out of the question that the Oilers ( or any other team in that list) could catch them and get the 1st wild card.

    Still half a season to go and things will change but 90 points could be the barrier for playoffs.

  157. godot10 says:

    russ99:
    godot10,

    Only if you’re looking at Corsi.

    This is his second game back, didn’t expect the axes to come out so soon.

    Benning is awful with Russell too. He plays non-standard defense. It confuses his partner.

    Nurse is unbreakable mentally, but he makes far more mistakes playing with Russell than with anybody else.

  158. v4ance says:

    The situation in 2006 was that we had a very good possession team, led by Pronger on the backend. The team was a bubble playoff team that was getting dragged down by ~0.880 sv % from the goalies (Conklin, Morrison and Markkanen).

    The trade of the 1st rounder for Roloson got the team to the playoffs as he was just the last missing piece to build that team into a cup contender.

    ASSUMING we traded the 1st rounder this year for the best available option, what’s the best player we could acquire? Would that one player move the needle enough to turn us from a bubble team to an actual cup contender? Other than getting Laine or Dahlen or Heskanen for that 1st rounder, I don’t see that it’d make an appreciable improvement in this team in trading that pick.

    Being honest about this team, we still need more upper tier players (our winger depth looks like the Wehrmacht in 1945) and those can only really be found via the draft and the best odds of finding good players is in the first round. It does’t mean that we can’t find players in later rounds but that 1st rounder is highly likely to be in the draft lottery for the chance at getting #1.

    ***

    Posters have stated without proof that the GM position of the Edmonton Oilers would be shunned by prospective candidates based on the chaos in the management group. This couldn’t be further from the truth.

    There are only 31 (or soon 32) teams and only 32 positions as GM. Many ambitious executives and agents would look at the team and see McDavid on the roster and see that they have a chance at building a championship team with some shrewd moves. The drawbacks are that the new man would have to take 2 or 3 years to cut off a number of cap anchors but Boston seemed to be able to turn it around quickly after they dumped Chiarelli.

    Fire Chiarelli now.

    Let Lowe or MacT take over as interim GM leaving K Gretz as Director of Scouting while looking for a permanent GM to take over next year. As much as Lowe and MacT get flack for their mistakes during their runs as the GM, they never made multiple franchise crippling moves at the rate that Chiarelli has done via cap mismanagement and skill subtraction.

  159. Professor Q says:

    Another shakeup in Cleveland. Hopefully Edmonton follows suit soon.

    Today? Tomorrow?

    When will that train come?

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    McNuge93: Any idea who was drafted with that pick. Roloson would have won them a cup if he wasn’t injured so I agree seemedlike a good trade.

    Trevor Lewis was the pick.

    Rolson had started to come back down to earth from his heater when he got hurt – I’m not positive the Oilers win the cup if he doesn’t get injured – unfortunately, we’ll never know….

  161. OmJo says:

    CrazyCoach: I have a feeling Stevie Y is like Liam Neeson on those “Taken” movies.

    The entire Oilers front office would have to go into hiding.

    So… a win-win?

  162. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Softer competition? Let’s discuss:

    vs FLA – Oilers Lost 4-1 to them last time they played
    vs Arizona – Oilers barely beat them 3-1 with an empty netter.
    vs Buffalo – 52 points and currently in the 1st wild card, 2 pts out of 3rd in the Atlantic
    @ Van – Already lost twice to them
    vs Calgary – 3rd overall in the league
    vs Carolina – Very fast team which never bodes well for Edmonton
    vs Det – Winnable game

    Then the Oilers have 10 days off. I suspect they have to win a minimum of 5 of those games to be still in the hunt after their break.

    The season could be over in 2 to 4 weeks.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    McNuge93: Yep, and have to hand it to their scouting at the time. Their goaltending was garbage and Rollie was a decent goalie but struggled to be a true starter. But he gave the Oilers 4 years of good goaltending.

    Uchhhh – Rolie was the king of the bad goal at a bad time.

    I disagree with 4 years of good goaltending.

  164. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull:

    Who’s your got to whipping boy now that ya boi Todd isn’t here and it stills sucks?

    My “whipping boys” are only selected when I am out on an island all by myself. I started on Eakins dementoring a month into his tenure. Likewise on McLellan. And on Franson.

    There is really no point joining the bandwagon on Chiarelli.

  165. hunter1909 says:

    McSorley33:
    We are literally watching the 2015 NHL draft class light up the league…..and people want
    Peter Chiarelli to trade our 1st round pick,again?

    Talk about Doubling Down.

    Cuz, we all have faith in our pro scouting department right?

    *************************************************************************
    Hey Honey, I have thought about it and I think I want to move
    back to our old house in Amityville. I’m gonna call the realtor….

    Oilers fans, like management, are taking the crackhead approach.

  166. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: My “whipping boys” are only selected when I am out on an island all by myself.I started on Eakins dementoring a month into his tenure. Likewise on McLellan.And on Franson.

    There is really no point joining the bandwagon on Chiarelli.

    Totally with you on Eakins. I hope he learnt and can adapt, he seemed smart enough.

  167. godot10 says:

    Begin as you mean to go on.

    The Oilers were on a big centre quest for as long or longer as they were on their Lucic quest. They finally get their centre, and they keep playing him on wing (although arguably it is McDavid who is one wing, not Draisaitl).

    It is tough to force this now, because Puljujarvi is making progress with Nugent-Hopkins.

    But the correct way to proceed is Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid, and Draisaitl driving his own line. One is delaying Draisaitl perfecting his 200 foot game by playing him 5×5 with McDavid, and he doesn’t touch the puck enough.

    I disagree with Hitch on this.

  168. Jethro Tull says:

    CrazyCoach: I have a feeling Stevie Y is like Liam Neeson on those “Taken” movies.

    The entire Oilers front office would have to go into hiding.

    I wanted to watch a Liam Neeson movie the other night, so I went to my DVD cabinet and found it was taken. I tried the one next to it. It was taken too.

    *Courtesy of Jimmy Carr*

  169. Side says:

    godot10: My “whipping boys” are only selected when I am out on an island all by myself.I started on Eakins dementoring a month into his tenure. Likewise on McLellan.And on Franson.

    There is really no point joining the bandwagon on Chiarelli.

    You see a bandwagon for Chiarelli? I thought you just squinted at it until it looked like Todd’s bandwagon.

    Also, you were alone on an island in your thoughts that Todd was mediocre, but could still win a cup with the Oilers, but there are better coaching choices out there?

    Yeahhh, I don’t think so.

  170. v4ance says:

    I want to talk in general about the “rebuild” process.

    Basically, we as fans and the leadership of the Edmonton Oilers came to the same conclusion: The 2010 rebuild was a mindset that the current management was unable to slowly build up to being a contender over a number of years similar to Nashville or Winnipeg. The implication is that the managers weren’t good enough, or at least, not the best in the NHL

    The only way to turn the team into a contender was to burn it down to the roots and be bad for a number of years and collect lots of lottery picks similar to the Chicago, Pittsburgh and Washington models of rebuild. Then with lots of high end talent, even a middling manager should be able to find some success with a loaded team.

    Looking at Toronto under Shanahan, they looked for the brightest management talent hiring Dubas, Lamoriello and Hunter. That management group seemed to turn a middling bubble team into an organization overflowing with good players at all levels. Why didn’t the Oilers follow the same path? We seemed to hire managers more based on reputation rather than actual future performance….

  171. BG19 says:

    Watched a re-run of the Bruins Wild game last night. Man are the Bruins ever shitty since they fired Chiarelli.

  172. greenshifter says:

    Interesting talk on Bob McCowans show today on Chia. Saying he is led to believe the Oilers are deciding right now on Chia’s fate. Whether they trust him to handle the trade deadline.

    Update your contact list MacT, your next up!

  173. frjohnk says:

    godot10:
    Begin as you mean to go on.

    The Oilers were on a big centre quest for as long or longer as they were on their Lucic quest.They finally get their centre, and they keep playing him on wing (although arguably it is McDavid who is one wing, not Draisaitl).

    It is tough to force this now, because Puljujarvi is making progress with Nugent-Hopkins.

    But the correct way to proceed is Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid, and Draisaitl driving his own line.One is delaying Draisaitl perfecting his 200 foot game by playing him 5×5 with McDavid, and he doesn’t touch the puck enough.

    I disagree with Hitch on this.

    Drais line without McDavid is scoring 2.24 goals/60
    McDavid and RNH together is scoring 2.31 goals/60

    While both these lines are both over 50% GF%, the McDavid Drai line together are scoring 4.06 goals/ 60. They have a 58% GF%

    With a roster that has trouble scoring, I see why its been so tempting for both TMac and Hitch to put those two together.

  174. frjohnk says:

    Oilers running the 3 centers with the other two on the bench
    McDavid GF/60 of 1.76
    GF% of 43%
    102 min

    Drai GF/60 of 2.24
    GF% of 52%
    267 min

    RNH GF/60 of 2.44
    GF% of 46%
    319 mins

    Now these are ballpark numbers but average scoring for
    1st line is 3 GF/60
    2nd line is 2.5 GF/60
    3rd line is 2.1 GF/60
    4th line is 1.8

    Sample size alert for our 3 centers down the middle, but its not good when the offense is spread out and watered down.

  175. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Russell was missing for most of the time Klef has been out. I know people are not hot on Russell but he was still playing in the top four. Hard to win with half of the top four injured (plus Sekera).

    True, thus my remark about it not happening in a vacuum. Oilers missed Russell. They miss Klef even more. They missed the two of them simultaneously, very much. They also continue to miss Sekera. That’s 3 of their top 4 by payroll & top 5 by depth chart.

    Doesn’t help that the fill-ins brought in by Chiarelli have been junk.

  176. YKOil says:

    frjohnk: The GM did not like the narrative that he was bad at the big trades and good at the little ones.

    Felt he needed to the same across the board

    I salute you.

  177. godot10 says:

    frjohnk: Drais line without McDavid is scoring 2.24 goals/60
    McDavid and RNH together is scoring 2.31 goals/60

    While both these lines are both over 50% GF%, the McDavid Drai line together are scoring 4.06 goals/ 60.They have a 58% GF%

    With a roster that has trouble scoring, I see why its been so tempting for both TMac and Hitch to put those two together.

    I am not denying that.

    I said “Begin as you mean to go on”. Do the right thing for the long term. Not do the thing that maximizes the next game.

  178. Dicky94 says:

    greenshifter,

    Hope they decide soon. I would actually trust MacT more than Chia.

  179. drglen says:

    I don’t really think they should make any trades, and a big NO to JP, no to a draft pick, No to yamomoto, .. just sit tight. If we miss the playoffs so be it.

    The guy I might consider moving is Khaira, who is on of the best oilers, makes the cut, but I think is very near or at his ceiling.

    Benning one could also move.

  180. Jethro Tull says:

    The difference between the well run teams and the badly run teams isn’t that “good teams don’t do this” or “only desperate teams do that” is that the well run teams know exactly when to do this or not do that.

    We have proof that good teams do indeed trade their first rounders. They do indeed trade their prospects.

    The problem with “stand pat” as not just a course of action, but as a philosophy is that it can never be proven wrong. I mean, when is preaching patience ever bad advice? But if the Oilers, for instance, stand pat, then the situation doesn’t improve it will be blamed on a miriad of things, like bad GMing, poor play, salary cap issues, etc. Never inaction though. The plan was right, it would have worked, right? And by the time we find that out, the window for when a change was possible has firmly shut and the only choices left to you are to prepare three envelopes. (Old meme here)

    Imagine a company that only posted a profit once in the last ten years. At the AGM, “there’s a plan that will reveal itself once we start turning profit. Until then, don’t knock the plan.”

  181. who says:

    greenshifter:
    Interesting talk on Bob McCowans show today on Chia. Saying he is led to believe the Oilers are deciding right now on Chia’s fate. Whether they trust him to handle the trade deadline.

    Update your contact list MacT, your next up!

    Interesting thoughts on primetime.
    What I wonder is, what is the downside to firing him now as opposed to summer? I just don’t see one. Why let him do more damage?
    Brian Burke keeps saying there is no way Chia would purposely damage the long term future of the team to salvage his job in the short term. Are you kidding me?
    The Manning trade is Exhibit A.

  182. YKOil says:

    Has Montreal opened the trade gates? Gallagher is all that and would be a huge add for this team. I also like Armia (in a smaller deal).

    I would trade the first if a signed Mark Stone was coming back the other way… buuuut, no cap space so screw that idea. If the cap space issue was dealt with then I would also look at throwing Bear and/or Yamamoto and/or Benson into the deal.

    Anyone know if Gostisbehere is any good?

  183. Wilde says:

    Jesse’s up to 1.42/60 since Hitchcock.

  184. Jethro Tull says:

    YKOil:
    Has Montreal opened the trade gates? Gallagher is all that and would be a huge add for this team.I also like Armia (in a smaller deal).

    I would trade the first if a signed Mark Stone was coming back the other way… buuuut, no cap space so screw that idea.If the cap space issue was dealt with then I would also look at throwing Bear and/or Yamamoto and/or Benson into the deal.

    Anyone know if Gostisbehere is any good?

    As I posted earlier, why would MTL trade? They’re in a wildcard spot. They need Gallagher.

  185. LMHF#1 says:

    v4ance: When Chiarelli was hired he had:

    Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Drai, Klef, Nurse, a boatload of draft picks, the right to draft Connor McDavid 1st overall and $20 million in cap room.

    Now he’s subtracted Hall and Ebs while pissing away #16 and #33 and has no cap room and the team is arguably as bad or worse than what he started with.What a waste of money and time.

    Which is why so many of us are so frustrated. He had it made and the moves were obvious…instead they get Griffin Reinhart and Kris Russell and a bunch of other junk. The overrated Coach didn’t help much either…but sticking to one topic here.

    Chiarelli treated his trades like a video game GM. Instead of “how can I improve, always” being the mantra, it was “I want THAT guy”.

  186. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Predicition:Russell will make a marginal difference at best.Russell has to be carried by a veteran.The only D Jones has looked horrible with is with Russell.

    San Jose was missing half of their top 4 last night also.

    Russell is what he is and he has many a wart but he made a massive positive difference in the ANA game, in my opinion. Even just to push Gravel and Petrovic down a slot to be able to play solely 3rd pairing minutes without any top 4 time – that right there provides value.

  187. giddy says:

    who: Interesting thoughts on primetime.
    What I wonder is, what is the downside to firing him now as opposed to summer? I just don’t see one. Why let him do more damage?
    Brian Burke keeps saying there is no way Chia would purposely damage the long term future of the team to salvage his job in the short term.Are you kidding me?
    The Manning trade is Exhibit A.

    It’s a classic principal-agent problem made worse by news out of the OEG that if they make the playoffs, Chiarelli will be back for another season.

    So it’s either play the long term game that is good for the team but gets you fired, or go for broke in the short term and keep your job for a little bit longer. Gee, what a brilliant performance measure.

    Reminds me of a hockey version of Enron.

  188. Darth Tu says:

    YKOil,

    I’m pretty sure I read the other day that Montreal are not going to start trading this season to make the playoffs. They’ll either get in there with what they have or not at all. I took that also to mean they wouldn’t start shipping out key parts of their organization. I can’t see Gallagher being traded.

  189. HT Joe says:

    v4ance: There are only 31 (or soon 32) teams and only 32 positions as GM. Many ambitious executives and agents would look at the team and see McDavid on the roster and see that they have a chance at building a championship team with some shrewd moves. The drawbacks are that the new man would have to take 2 or 3 years to cut off a number of cap anchors but Boston seemed to be able to turn it around quickly after they dumped Chiarelli.

    An executive who would want to be the Oilers GM, despite the red flags of having the Boys on the Bus floating around, would have to be pretty short-sighted to not understand that (a) yes, the Oilers are desperate, so you may get to be a GM soonest if you accept the Oilers, and (b) after a few more years of Oiler terribleness, the stench of failure could impact your long-term success as an executive working within the NHL.

    Based on this reasoning, I fear that the type of person who would accept the role of GM for the Oilers may also be the type of person who would make short-sighted moves, thereby torpedoing the Oilers’ chances of ever getting long-term good enough to win the cup with McDavid.

    Unless Katz clears out all of the ex-Oilers, I don’t see the organization attracting the type of GM we all need.

  190. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    greenshifter:
    Interesting talk on Bob McCowans show today on Chia. Saying he is led to believe the Oilers are deciding right now on Chia’s fate. Whether they trust him to handle the trade deadline.

    Update your contact list MacT, your next up!

    – Bob has old-school Oil connections from the glory years

    – From day 1, the hire of Chia had one big red-flag, and that was that he came in in isolation (that was my first comment on the hire I recall). There were no other management hires, and everyone else stayed.

    – Darkness and others have talked about this: if you fire Chia, and the next guy doesn’t have authority to hire guys (MacT is the #2 guy in the org on hockey matters, still, and there is no way Chia, or any GM would accept this if he didn’t have to), and Howson etc are still there, then we are just going from MacT to Chia to new guy, and not fixing the structure

    – The worry should be that who is Katz talking to to figure out what to do with Chia

    – Who does Chia curently rely on for Hockey trades: he gets slammed for the hockey trades, but he’s not acting in a vacuum: he doesn’t make hockey trades without relying extensively on the collective wisdom of the organization: Sutter, Howson: these guys are past-due

    – Its not: “Guys no worries, I just traded away Caggs for a D”. The GM doesn’t scout other teams players as their job. They collectively ponder and agree on what to do: the GM pulls the trigger

    – They have set things up so that a new GM could conceivably come in this off-season and clean house (Hitch not signed, etc)

    – But without the new guy coming in and actually hiring competent hockey brains, be careful what you wish for…

    – I’d advocate the GM version of what should have happened with Kruger: surround him with some smart people who can grow into the job. Instead we might get a Dallas Eakins type-GM: full of bluster and bravado, with no organization strength behind him.

    – The constants in the 12 years of ineptness are all still there: that’s a crazy way to run a business,

    – We are lucky that Gretz’s brother actually has some acumen, because whose kidding who, he wouldn’t have been hired except Wayne/OBC IMO

    – I’d keep Chia, hire a Dubas type, and another insider hockey guy type that is respected by the league at head office. People who could reasonably grow into the job as GM, and have proper comptetive friction, not a bunch of fired guys who bleed Oil but would resent the situation

    – But if Chia leaves and we don’t have a real house cleaning, don’t see how it gets better (except that the team gets older, and the draft picks emerge)

    – The management structure of the team is a joke in terms of these guys getting jobs elsewhere:

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/coaches-management

    * If you don’t want to read the whole thing: ponder this: when Chia gets relieved of his duties: would you expect him to be the #2 hockey guy in the organzation afterwards? That would be crazy, except it’s what we have now…

  191. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    – Bob has old-school Oil connections from the glory years

    Bob Nicholson has been a regular guest on McCown’s show for many years.

    Nicholson has done more interviews with McCown than with any local show/writer since being hired by OEG.

    Agreed on the pro scouting stuff.

    EDM hasn’t had good pro trades since Lowe was GM.

    That’s not hyperbole, its the truth.

  192. verite says:

    Another day slips by and still no firing of the abject incompetent Chiarelli

  193. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Florida Coach Bob Boughner is upset and says his team needs more defensive Dmen.
    Yet when he had Petrovic, he wouldn’t play him.

    Either he’s blowing smoke.
    Or Petrovic is that bad.

    Or maybe it’s both.

    Or maybe he wants Darnell…

    Tallon offers Bjugstad for Nurse.
    Chia demands Huberdeau for Nurse.
    Eventually Chia settles on Nurse for Jamie McGinn.

  194. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Do you know who is going to be in a really good position to sign Hall in the summer of 2020?

    These guys:

    FORWARDS (13 – $43,855,000) 2020-21
    Gaudreau, Johnny $6,750,000
    Monahan, Sean “A” $6,375,000
    Neal, James $5,750,000
    Backlund, Mikael “A” $5,350,000
    Lindholm, Elias $4,850,000
    TOTAL $32,200,000

    DEFENSE (7 – $22,494,209) 2020-21
    Giordano, Mark “C” $6,750,000
    Hanifin, Noah $4,950,000

    TOTAL $11,700,000

    If they buy out Neal in June 2020 his Cap hit goes from 5.75 to 1.91

    Hall grew up in Calgary. (moved to Kingston, ONT when he was 14)

    They have their core locked up cheap for a long time.

    They have good young Dmen coming.

    They could afford to pay Hall market value for sure if they don’t “Chiarelli” their roster between then and now.

  195. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Stop.
    Making.
    Sense.

  196. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – We are lucky that Gretz’s brother actually has some acumen, because whose kidding who, he wouldn’t have been hired except Wayne/OBC IMO

    Except reportedly, the younger Gretzky was behind the Petrovic and Manning trades, an understandable overpay and a disaster.

  197. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    godot10: Except reportedly, the younger Gretzky was behind the Petrovic and Manning trades, an understandable overpay and a disaster.

    – I assumed he was in charge of drafting/amateur scouting, which by all accounts he’s been good.

    – If so it’s an example of being good at one thing doesn’t make you so in another…They would take advice from him on pro-scouting I guess because they don’t have anyone else they trust

  198. Wilde says:

    godot10: Except reportedly, the younger Gretzky was behind the Petrovic and Manning trades, an understandable overpay and a disaster.

    He also had some suspect lines in the Behind the B ep on the Seguin trade

    I think you have to keep him in amateur scouting & that’s it

  199. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Who does Chia curently rely on for Hockey trades: he gets slammed for the hockey trades, but he’s not acting in a vacuum: he doesn’t make hockey trades without relying extensively on the collective wisdom of the organization: Sutter, Howson: these guys are past-due

    No matter how many times it’s said that Chiarelli’s brain was poisoned by OBC, that doesn’t address the fact that most of his vices displayed here were his vices displayed in Boston as well

  200. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Except reportedly, the younger Gretzky was behind the Petrovic and Manning trades, an understandable overpay and a disaster.

    Who reported that?

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