Game 44 2018-19: Panthers at Oilers

We’ve reached the point in the season where the blog will go “split screen” in coverage. It coincides with my work at The Athletic (my Winter Top 20, the complete edition, is published there today) as we incorporate the draft and prospect pipeline into the mix.

The Oilers begin a vital homestand—six of the next seven are at home, most against mid-level opposition. I think Edmonton needs 10 points. One question I have that pertains to the big club: How many current Condors will see action in the NHL while the season holds playoff hopes?

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  • New Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018
  • New Jonathan Willis: Analysing the risk of heaping heavy minutes on Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl.
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  • New Jonathan Willis: Unlikely scorer Jujhar Khaira has forced his way up the Oilers’ lineup on merit.
  • New Black Dog Pat: There’s no in-season balancing for the Oilers
  • New Lowetide: Oilers No. 10 prospect Winter 2018: Dylan Wells.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: From 2 to 98, Oilers share the stories behind their jersey numbers.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 9 prospect Winter 2018: Joel Persson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 44

  • Oilers in 2015: 17-23-4, 38 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2016: 22-15-7, 51 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 18-23-3, 39 points; goal differential -25
  • Oilers in 2018: 20-20-3, 43 points; goal differential -11

I think we’re probably safe in estimating the Oilers coming in between 80-88 points, meaning an improvement year over year while finishing shy of the playoffs. It’s going to be a strange lead up to the deadline, the team apparently eager to add help for a playoff run. I think we might see that rare “buy in January, sell in February” run by Edmonton.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-1, five points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2017: 2-3-0, four points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in January 2018: 1-4-0, two points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in January 2019: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -4

The month is starting out reasonably well for the team and I do like the fact the goal differential isn’t bleeding as much as we might have worried after that long losing streak at the end of December. A big game tonight, but you know that’s true tonight and every night the team still has a pulse.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN JANUARY

  • On the road to: ArizonaLos AngelesAnaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 2-2-0, four points in four games

If the Oilers are going to make the playoffs, and they have a chance, then a strong run through to the all-star break is vital. I have them grabbing six more points this month, my guess is they’ll need 10.

HITCHCOCK’S FRINGE PLAYERS

When a new coach arrives on the scene, two things we should pay attention to are usage of roster players and previously fringe or minor league players getting a push. Ken Hitchcock has been around for 23 games (11-10-2) and here are some players who have been moving up and down the depth chart during the Hitchcock era. Increased playing time in bold:

Fascinating look at the changes we’ve seen up front. Hitchcock backed Ty Rattie off 183 seconds, Spooner 80, Nuge 38, Caggiula 27 compared to McLellan’s usage.

Hitchcock increased Leon’s time 175 seconds, Brodziak 146, Chiasson 141, Kassian 127, McDavid 121, Khaira 82, Puljujarvi 54, Rieder 29 and Lucic 4 seconds.

Funny thing: Nuge is flourishing with the reduction in playing time. McDavid, Draisaitl, Khaira, Puljujarvi, Lucic and Kassian have also increased offensive production in the new Hitch system. The Pulju spike is especially encouraging.

Massive change in less than two months. Part of this came due to injuries, but the emergence of Caleb Jones is at least one chapter in this season. I wonder if he would be averaging 17:47 under McLellan? I’m not sure. Larsson, Nurse, Russell are also up, in part because Klefbom has been injured (Russell too) during the last 23 games.

How much can you overhaul a six-man defense in the middle of a season? Newcomers Jones, Petrovic, Manning give the team a much different look. Gravel has also emerged as a regular under Hitchcock.

By the way, Matt Benning’s shot share has increased under the new coach.

STREETS OF BAKERSFIELD

Kailer Yamamoto is on IR currently and the Oilers badly need scoring. The play here is a recall, which would allow the team to rest both Ryan Spooner and Joe Gambardella (as opposed to just one of them).

Cooper Marody is the obvious choice, but Hitchcock saw Marody for two games when the coaching shuffle took place. I expect the coach either doesn’t think Marody can play center or doesn’t think he can help at this time. Or both.

So, who else is there? I’m going to suggest the organization plans to keep Tyler Benson on the farm all year. Cameron Hebig? He has 10 goals, five on the power play. Can he move the needle in the NHL? I don’t think Daryl Katz and Peter Chiarelli are going to place their big bet on Hebig.

CONDORS FORWARDS, 5-ON-5 PTS PER GAME

  1. Joe Gambardella .64
  2. Cooper Marody .61
  3. Patrick Russell .54
  4. Jesse Puljujarvi .50
  5. Brad Malone .44
  6. Tyler Benson .39
  7. Cameron Hebig .36
  8. Kailer Yamamoto .36
  9. Josh Currie .33
  10. Tyler Vesel .28

If you subscribe to the idea that a prospect should flourish before getting a recall, then Gambardella and Marody are the only considerations. Among AHL forwards who have played 20 or more games this season, Gambardella is No. 14 in points per game, Marody No. 21.

What does this mean? A trade. Edmonton is trading for a skill forward in the coming days. Mike Hoffman plays tonight for the Panthers, perhaps he’s in play.

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage expressed at points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 15
    SJS 12
    VGK 12

    Central
    WPG 14
    NSH 12
    DAL 6

    Wildcar
    COL 4
    MIN 3

    Out of playoffs
    ANA 2
    EDM 0
    VAN -1
    ARI -3
    STL -3
    CHI -6
    LAK -7

    Relevant games today:

    DAL at PHI (DAL -120)
    MTL at STL (STL -135)
    WPG at MIN (MIN -115)
    ARI at VAN (VAN -125)
    SJS at VGK (VGK -120)
    OTT at LAK (LAK -235)
    FLA at EDM (EDM -120)

    EDM a favourite? The Gords Must Be Crazy.

    GOILERS!!

    *clapclap*

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Did everyone see MacKinnon go off on Bednar last night?

    Link: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nathan-mackinnon-furious-bench-calls-coach/

    Its clear to me that… *checks old posts, tweets and sports columns on Hall/Eakins/water bottle* … MacKinnon is a cancer in the room, feels he’s above coaching and it what is keeping COL from winning.

    The only solution is to trade him for Larsson.

    One for one.

    Get on it Pete.

  3. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Did everyone see MacKinnon go off on Bednar last night?

    Link: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nathan-mackinnon-furious-bench-calls-coach/

    Its clear to me that… *checks old posts, tweets and sports columns on Hall/Eakins/water bottle* … MacKinnon is a cancer in the room, feels he’s above coaching and it what is keeping COL from winning.

    The only solution is to trade him for Larsson.

    One for one.

    Get on it Pete.

    It’s the only solution, really.

    MacKinnon and Rantanen can’t co-exist, clearly. Edmonton needs to save Colorado.

  4. texmex says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I find it funny how no one is talking about how he fell off the bench during his rant and Landeskog had to help him up. At least Hall managed to stay in his seat during his tantrum.

  5. Ben says:

    Anyone else amazed by how insane it is that the team is still in the race at all? (Though I ultimately agree with LT’s prognostication).

    Special shout out to the Ducks and Avalanche for shitting the bed in perfect harmony with us. As the saying goes: you’ve shit your bed, now lie in it.

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Did everyone see MacKinnon go off on Bednar last night?

    Link: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nathan-mackinnon-furious-bench-calls-coach/

    Its clear to me that… *checks old posts, tweets and sports columns on Hall/Eakins/water bottle* … MacKinnon is a cancer in the room, feels he’s above coaching and it what is keeping COL from winning.

    The only solution is to trade him for Larsson.

    One for one.

    Get on it Pete.

    You’re a numbers guy. Shouldn’t we look at his water bottle squirted/60 first? We can’t just rush blindly into this trade. Larsson could develop into Chris Pronger, then we’d look dumb.

  7. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q: It’s the only solution, really.

    MacKinnon and Rantanen can’t co-exist, clearly. Edmonton needs to save Colorado.

    Proven that you can’t have two alpha dogs.

  8. Professor Q says:

    Also, I think if Edmonton adopted that colour of royal blue they use for Bakersfield for both the home blue and home orange jerseys it would look pretty nifty.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    texmex:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I find it funny how no one is talking about how he fell off the bench during his rant and Landeskog had to help him up. At least Hall managed to stay in his seat during his tantrum.

    Hall showed restraint. Eakins should have got worse than a few sprinkles of water on his brilliantined head.

    Keep this kind of narrative(out of control terrible Taylor) and Hall reads it and signs with Calgary.

  10. hunter1909 says:

    Professor Q:
    Also, I think if Edmonton adopted that colour of royal blue they use for Bakersfield for both the home blue and home orange jerseys it would look pretty nifty.

    I think it would be nifty if Oilers managed to win games.

  11. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: Proven that you can’t have two alpha dogs.

    Messier and Gretzky got split up for that very reason.

  12. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: Messier and Gretzky got split up for that very reason.

    Just goofing on a post here a few days ago about why Hall was traded.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q:
    Also, I think if Edmonton adopted that colour of royal blue they use for Bakersfield for both the home blue and home orange jerseys it would look pretty nifty.

    Great jerseys

  14. Wilde says:

    I’m scared

  15. Drew says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Did everyone see MacKinnon go off on Bednar last night?

    Link: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nathan-mackinnon-furious-bench-calls-coach/

    Its clear to me that… *checks old posts, tweets and sports columns on Hall/Eakins/water bottle* … MacKinnon is a cancer in the room, feels he’s above coaching and it what is keeping COL from winning.

    The only solution is to trade him for Larsson.

    One for one.

    Get on it Pete.

    I agree, the problem is that only one GM in the league makes the deal you suggested and he’s here. 🙁

  16. ArmchairGM says:

    LT: Thank you for publishing the points/60 splits here, after reading yesterday’s thread I had looked them up this morning with the intention of putting them here in the comment’s section. Now, no need.

    Puljujarvi is the team’s 2nd most productive winger and 5th overall. Not bad for a 20-year-old “dud”.

  17. ArmchairGM says:

    Lines I’d like to see:

    Spooner – McDavid – Rattie
    Khaira – Nugent-Hopkins – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian

    Jones – Larsson
    Nurse – Russell
    Gravel – Benning

  18. jtblack says:

    COL & ANA are in free fall.

    Minny is treading water.

    LT has nailed it. Next 7 games will tell the Tale. If Edm cant win 4 or 5 against those teams, they dont deserve to make the Playoffs.

    But. LETS GO OILERS

  19. jtblack says:

    WG Whats happening to your Yotes?

    I had St.Louis as Top team in their Division. Oooooops

  20. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Did everyone see MacKinnon go off on Bednar last night?

    Link: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nathan-mackinnon-furious-bench-calls-coach/

    Its clear to me that… *checks old posts, tweets and sports columns on Hall/Eakins/water bottle* … MacKinnon is a cancer in the room, feels he’s above coaching and it what is keeping COL from winning.

    The only solution is to trade him for Larsson.

    One for one.

    Get on it Pete.

    Has there ever been a GM that has traded out that many top 5 drafted players as trader pete. He can’t trade them in

  21. Paulie says:

    The brilliance of Chia. Recognizes since 2017 playoff run that the defense isn’t good enough. In 2019 he trades for a defenseman who isn’t good enough to crack this weak, injury riddled group.

  22. hunter1909 says:

    Lucic for MacKinnon. Troubled star for troubled star.

  23. Ribs says:

    Kailer Yamamoto is on IR currently and the Oilers badly need scoring. The play here is a recall, which would allow the team to rest both Ryan Spooner and Joe Gambardella (as opposed to just one of them).

    Cooper Marody is the obvious choice, but Hitchcock saw Marody for two games when the coaching shuffle took place. I expect the coach either doesn’t think Marody can play center or doesn’t think he can help at this time. Or both.

    So, who else is there? I’m going to suggest the organization plans to keep Tyler Benson on the farm all year. Cameron Hebig? He has 10 goals, five on the power play. Can he move the needle in the NHL? I don’t think Daryl Katz and Peter Chiarelli are going to place their big bet on Hebig.

    They should call up that Aberg guy!

    …Oh, right…

  24. frjohnk says:

    Has JP taken a step from last year?

    If he has, its marginal. Many of his individual numbers have dropped from last year.

    Not saying he is a bust, but there is no denying the Oilers have fumbled his development.

  25. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Lines I’d like to see:

    Spooner – McDavid – Rattie
    Khaira – Nugent-Hopkins – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian

    Jones – Larsson
    Nurse – Russell
    Gravel – Benning

    Me likey.
    Worth a try for a few games…

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Did everyone see MacKinnon go off on Bednar last night?

    Link: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nathan-mackinnon-furious-bench-calls-coach/

    Its clear to me that… *checks old posts, tweets and sports columns on Hall/Eakins/water bottle* … MacKinnon is a cancer in the room, feels he’s above coaching and it what is keeping COL from winning.

    The only solution is to trade him for Larsson.

    One for one.

    Get on it Pete.

    Will be interesting to see the reaction to that across the league. Hall didn’t get mad at the coach. He just got mad. MacKinnon was clearly yelling at the coach.

  27. jtblack says:

    As per Sportsnet.

    FLA Coach Bob Boughner benched Huberdeau, Yandle & Hoffman after they gave up a 2nd short handed goal midway thru the 2nd. According to Boughner, the players “were out to Lunch”. The players never saw the ice for the rest of the game.

    ———————-

    I think FLA will have some motivated players tonight. Buckle Up!!

  28. Professor Q says:

    Bobrovski has been scratched for tonight, with the reasoning of not meeting team expectations. Trade coming soon?

  29. Side says:

    JimmyV1965: Will be interesting to see the reaction to that across the league. Hall didn’t get mad at the coach. He just got mad. MacKinnon was clearly yelling at the coach.

    I think you just discovered the angle that Hall haters will use:

    Hall is a petulant child for throwing a temper tantrum on the bench.

    Mackinnon is just showing his passion for the game in a discussion with his coach.

  30. jtblack says:

    Professor Q:
    Bobrovski has been scratched for tonight, with the reasoning of not meeting team expectations. Trade coming soon?

    Bobo & Atkinson

    Lucic, Talbot, JP & 2019 1st, 2020 2nd ??

  31. London Jon says:

    It would be very pretty interesting to make up a team of ‘players PC traded away for nothing’.

    It’s definitely a playoff team and maybe a cup contender…

  32. Side says:

    London Jon:
    It would be great interesting to make up a team of ‘players PC traded away for nothing’.

    It’s definitely a playoff team and maybe a cup contender…

    What do you mean?

    Chia gave Reinhart away for nothin and he isn’t good enough to play on any team.

    Haha….

  33. russ99 says:

    ArmchairGM

    Love how everyone including our coach and GM are trying to force square peg Spooner into the scoring winger round hole.

    Ain’t happening, and not sure what anyone is seeing on the ice other than his skating ability (and that hot streak with the Rangers) thinks it ever will.

    Chiasson– McDavid – Draisaitl
    Lucic – Nugent-Hopkins – Puljujarvi (heck if any of these two wingers score, keep that line together!)
    Khaira – Brodziak – Chiasson (secondary scoring cycle line)
    Rieder – Spooner – Kassian

    Jones – Larsson
    Nurse – Russell
    Gravel – Petrovic (if healthy)

  34. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    WGWhats happening to your Yotes?

    I had St.Louis as Top team in their Division.Oooooops

    I bet heavily on Raanta and Dcorps.

    Raanta has been done for the season since late November, Demers has been done for the season since mid-November (knee) and Chychrun didn’t start playing until mid-Nov (knee surgery)

    Bloody injuries.

  35. russ99 says:

    jtblack,

    I love Atkinson, but that contract is evil.

    Also no guarantee Bobrovsky re-signs here, especially after he gets hung out to dry by our slapdash D and non-helping forwards after a few games.

  36. Professor Q says:

    jtblack: Bobo & Atkinson

    Lucic, Talbot, JP & 2019 1st, 2020 2nd??

    Kekalainen gets Puljujärvi after all! Haha. Interesting trade actually.

  37. LMHF#1 says:

    Rattie has continually shown he can’t play at this level, yet many keep throwing him onto the #1 line.

    Wishing won’t make it so folks. Chiarelli going with him as plan A rather than plan D going into the season was a tell as to how things were going to go.

  38. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I bet heavily on Raanta and Dcorps.

    Raanta has been done for the season since late November, Demers has been done for the season since mid-November (knee) and Chychrun didn’t start playing until mid-Nov (knee surgery)

    Bloody injuries.

    I think with League parity so tight; 1 major injury at a key position can derail a team. Especially teams that are not deep (80% of teams).

    Hello Oscar, come back soon

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Its fairly clear that the team isn’t very good, however, there is a “not very good team” that is going to win that second wild card spot (likely ANA, MIN or EDM) and I’ve got a hard target on that spot.

    Nope, I do not want management to make any moves to try and improve right now (I’m talking picks/prospects for rentals) but stay the course and see how we do over the next few weeks. Some reinforcements are coming back in the next 2-4 weeks, namely Klefbom and Sekera. That’s two material mid-season acquisitions for no cost. Klefbom we know makes a big difference and, even if Sekera is only “75%”, that’s a big bump over Petrovic, Manning, Benning and improves the team.

    6 of the next 7 are at home and there are some softer teams in there.

    This will be a season defining stretch.
    Lets go Oilers!

  40. knighttown says:

    jtblack:
    COL & ANA are in free fall.

    Minny is treading water.

    LT has nailed it.Next 7 games will tell the Tale. If Edm cant win 4 or 5 against those teams, they dont deserve to make the Playoffs.

    But. LETS GO OILERS

    This is all true but challenge is that we’re actually a bit lucky with our recent results we’ve been playing so poorly. Padre posted recently that since Klef went down it’s a string of 31st’s in all the major metrics; GF%, SF%, Corsi%, xGF% etc.

    You can look at this one of two ways:

    1. We’ve gone through an awful slump; rock bottom if you will, and we’re still alive so should be in position to make a push OR

    2. This is among the worst teams in the league without 77 and the only reason we aren’t dead and buried is because of the standard dead cat bounce that came as a result of hiring Hitch.

    JJ Khaira just posted a 3% CF% playing with Connor McDavid against a flu-riddled Sharks team on the 2nd of back-to-backs without half of their Top-4 defensemen.

    Not saying it can’t turn around but there’s nothing in the numbers that suggest it will.

  41. knighttown says:

    Interesting thread. This is a very unique season in the NHL. I don’t know if it’s the smaller goalie gear or a chasm of difference between management talent levels but parity may finally be broken. Good teams are historically good (Tampa) and there are probably 10 teams in (or have been in like Dallas) full out crisis mode.

    Listened to Boomer on Sirius the other day and he feels like Tampa will have a Warriors-like impact on the game with the way they are playing. He mentioned Klay scoring 43 points Tuesday night with only 4 total dribbles. The Warriors changed the way the game is played and feels the same thing is happening with Tampa. Something they are doing is creating so many clean scoring looks…he described it as “pass-and-move”. Said Chicago (of all teams) is right on their heels with the way they are trying to play.

    I don’t watch either enough to comment but would suggest the Sharks too. I can say that I haven’t seen a more hopeless matchup than Oilers-Sharks since some of those Sam Gagner led teams went out West to play the Kings about 10 years ago.

  42. frjohnk says:

    knighttown: Padre posted recently that since Klef went down it’s a string of 31st’s in all the major metrics; GF%, SF%, Corsi%, xGF% etc.

    The 1-6-0 stretch that saw TMac get loaded into the cannon at least had some metrics that were decent
    51 CF% was 13th
    50 SF% was 16th
    HDCF% was 24th

    GF% was not good, it was 28th with a 36.7%

    Goaltending, most Talbot was not good. save % was .892.

    But this last month ( 12 games) was something the DOD teams would say ” you guys shitty”

    Oilers are 3-8-1
    7 points in 12 games.

    43.2% CF% ( 31st)
    40.9 %FF% ( 31st)
    40.9% SF% ( 31st)
    39.3% GF% ( 28th)
    36.7% HDCF% ( 31st)

    Koskinen save % .882 in 8 appearances. 3.98 GAA
    Talbot save % .897 in 7 appearances. 3.41 GAA

    The only bright lights were the big 3 up front, other than that, this team has been brutal over the last month.

    One could blame it on injuries, the Hitch Oil wearing off, Chias tracksuit and/or WG’s phone.

    Whatever happens from here on in, if they have another stretch of games like this during the year, this team is toast.

  43. JimmyV1965 says:

    Side: I think you just discovered the angle that Hall haters will use:

    Hall is a petulant child for throwing a temper tantrum on the bench.

    Mackinnon is just showing his passion for the game in a discussion with his coach.

    That’s what I have seen so far. Article at Avs blog defends the player. And they should. Losing is misery. Hall was vilified.

  44. texmex says:

    Ribs,

    Pontus Aberg will be scratched Wednesday night when the Ducks host the Ottawa Senators.
    This will be Aberg’s first scratch since early October. He has gone seven games without a point, and a minus-10, including a minus-3 in the last game against the Oilers. Brian Gibbons replaced him in the lineup. Jan 9 – 9:58 PM

    http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nhl/4051/pontus-aberg

  45. Jethro Tull says:

    LMHF#1:
    Puljujarvi has continually shown he can’t play at this level, yet many keep throwing him onto the #1 line.

    Wishing won’t make it so folks. Chiarelli going with him as plan A rather than plan D going into the season was a tell as to how things were going to go.

    FIFY

  46. oilman says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    RHD are hard to come by – Colorado might have to sweeten that deal.

  47. frjohnk says:

    Ryan Rishaug
    ‏Verified account @TSNRyanRishaug
    1m1 minute ago

    Talbot looks to be starting. Benning back in with Gravel. Rattie out Spooner in. Petrovic not on the ice. Manning looks to be healthy scratched again.

  48. frjohnk says:

    Jack Michaels
    ‏Verified account @EdmontonJack
    3m3 minutes ago

    Talbot starts vs FLA; first time he starts after a loss since Ken Hitchcock took over.

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson
    Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Khaira-Kassian
    Gambardella-Brodziak-Spooner

    Nurse-Russell
    Jones-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning

    EDIT: Not surprised Hitch abandoned the 3 best players down the middle. It watered down the offense too much.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    So much for the three center approach – sigh.

    Looks like Rattie is out – sigh.

    While I don’t like Kassian on the top line, I don’t like Chiasson there either (Rattie, JP, Spooner, etc.) – sigh.

    At least Benning gets the call over Manning – thank goodness.

    I’m fine with the Talbot start and look for him to have a strong game.

    As per Jack Michaels:

    Talbot starts vs FLA; first time he starts after a loss since Ken Hitchcock took over.

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson
    Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Khaira-Kassian
    Gambardella-Brodziak-Spooner

    Nurse-Russell
    Jones-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning

  50. McSorley33 says:

    Those 5 on 5 numbers from the farm team are not encouraging…..Tyler Benson is almost in
    line with Hebig – a free agent signing.

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Like seriously, what is the point of having Spooner play with Brodz and Joe G?

    He needs to be with one of McDavid, Drai or Nuge if he’s going to be effective – this is just a waste.

  52. Scungilli Slushy says:

    hunter1909:
    Lucic for MacKinnon. Troubled star for troubled star.

    If they’re losing they must be wussies, that’s how good teams like the Oilers diagnose the malaise. Time for the Av’s to Luc up before it’s too late. Maybe toss in a 7th to move it forward.

  53. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I bet heavily on Raanta and Dcorps.

    Raanta has been done for the season since late November, Demers has been done for the season since mid-November (knee) and Chychrun didn’t start playing until mid-Nov (knee surgery)

    Bloody injuries.

    Yotes’ problem is they can’t score. They are third-lowest in the league with 108 GF. LA has a mere 99!

    Chayka has made some smart moves, but until Keller is his third-highest scorer they’re a popgun team.

  54. McSorley33 says:

    I can’t believe Brandon Manning is a healthy scratch, again.

    Said nobody. Ever.

    Benning’s numbers vs Petro….ouch

  55. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: So much for the three center approach – sigh.

    It really has not worked well.

    Sample size but

    Oilers running 1 centers with the other two on the bench
    McDavid GF/60 of 1.76
    GF% of 43%
    102 min

    Drai GF/60 of 2.24
    GF% of 52%
    267 min

    RNH GF/60 of 2.44
    GF% of 46%
    319 mins

    Average 1st line scores at 3GF/60
    Average 2nd line scores at 2.5 GF/60

    With the 3 centers down the middle, we dont have a line scoring at a 1st line rate and only RNH is close to a 2nd line rate.

  56. frjohnk says:

    McSorley33:
    I can’t believe Brandon Manning is a healthy scratch, again.

    Said Chia. Today.

    Benning’s numbers vs Petro….ouch

    FTFY

  57. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Like seriously, what is the point of having Spooner play with Brodz and Joe G?

    He needs to be with one of McDavid, Drai or Nuge if he’s going to be effective – this is just a waste.

    What does he really bring to the table where we can assume he’d be effective on those lines? As far as I can tell it’s only skating.

    The Rangers thought those 20 points in 16 games was a fluke, hot streak, and judging by his performance here, that sure seems to be the case.

    We’d be better served keeping him as our 4th line center. He can win faceoffs, and help get the puck out of our zone. That’s it, anything else is a bonus.

  58. McSorley33 says:

    Imagine being RNH and Jesse and finding out Milan is on your line….

    Milan in your top 6 Hitch?

    And yes, I realize thre are few alternatives. Conceded.

    But, there are 2 definitive wingers that are not top 6:
    Rieder ( 0 goals ) & Lucic ( 1 even strength)

    Spooner has some offence and same with Rattie…not much I agree.

    But Lucic has Nothing. Nothing.

    Whatever Hitch thinks of Spooner and Rattie in our own zone – can go double for
    Looch.

    If you are putting Lucic in the top 6 – you are spiking the water supply.

  59. ArmchairGM says:

    Milan Lucic: 0.91 points/60 under Hitchcock. That’s clearly 4th line production, but it’s interesting to see other notable players in the same range this year.

    Zuccarello 0.91 ($4.5M cap hit)
    Bellemare 0.90
    Pitlick 0.90
    Mittelstadt 0.88
    Grabner 0.87 ($3.35M)
    Sheahan 0.83
    Rask 0.83 ($4.0M)
    Neal 0.75 ($5.75M)
    Eriksson Ek 0.74
    Carter 0.61 ($5.273M)
    Maroon 0.47
    Kesler 0.36 ($6.875M)
    Paajarvi 0.28

  60. ArmchairGM says:

    russ99:
    ArmchairGM

    Love how everyone including our coach and GM are trying to force square peg Spooner into the scoring winger round hole.

    Ain’t happening, and not sure what anyone is seeing on the ice other than his skating ability (and that hot streak with the Rangers) thinks it ever will.

    Chiasson– McDavid – Draisaitl
    Lucic – Nugent-Hopkins – Puljujarvi (heck if any of these two wingers score, keep that line together!)
    Khaira– Brodziak – Chiasson (secondary scoring cycle line)
    Rieder – Spooner – Kassian

    Jones – Larsson
    Nurse – Russell
    Gravel – Petrovic (if healthy)

    http://sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/8402/stats

    I’m seeing more than just a 20 game hot streak with the Rangers.

  61. LMHF#1 says:

    Jethro Tull: FIFY

    Oh there are several players this could be said for. They thought Yamamoto would just somehow score 25 too…These people are nuts, desperate, don’t care, or maybe some weird combo of the 3.

  62. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson
    Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Khaira-Kassian
    Gambardella-Brodziak-Spooner

    A lot of forwards here that wouldn’t play on a good NHL team (Lucic, Rieder, Kassian, Gambardella, Brodziak, Spooner). At least the 6 best available defensemen are in.

    But what a sad looking lineup.

  63. ArmchairGM says:

    LMHF#1:
    Rattie has continually shown he can’t play at this level, yet many keep throwing him onto the #1 line.

    Wishing won’t make it so folks. Chiarelli going with him as plan A rather than plan D going into the season was a tell as to how things were going to go.

    http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=EDM&pos=F&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=gpdate&fd=2018-11-19&td=2019-01-10&tgp=410&lines=single

    ALL of Rattie’s percentages under Hitchcock are better than Chiasson’s.

  64. LMHF#1 says:

    frjohnk:
    Ryan Rishaug
    ‏Verified account @TSNRyanRishaug
    1m1 minute ago

    Talbot looks to be starting. Benning back in with Gravel. Rattie out Spooner in.Petrovic not on the ice. Manning looks to be healthy scratched again.

    So the latest 3 acquisitions are on the fourth line, out and out,

    So many firing offences, so little time…

  65. LMHF#1 says:

    ALL of Rattie’s percentages under Hitchcock are better than Chiasson’s.

    And yet, he can’t score to save his life – even with the best player in the world – while the other guy has 17 on the season and has contributed to a bunch of goals by being the screen/traffic.

    Might mean you have to dig a bit deeper and combine the stats with strong eyes.

  66. Rondo says:

    McSorley33:
    I can’t believe Brandon Manning is a healthy scratch, again.

    Said nobody. Ever.

    Benning’s numbers vs Petro….ouch

    Manning a scratch , how can this be Chiarelli told us he could play 2nd pairing in a pinch.

  67. Admiral Ackbar says:

    LMHF#1: So the latest 3 acquisitions are on the fourth line, out and out,

    So many firing offences, so little time…

    Clearly this isn’t a meritocracy. It’s all about optics and people trying to save their own butts….

  68. Ribs says:

    texmex:
    Ribs,

    Pontus Aberg will be scratched Wednesday night when the Ducks host the Ottawa Senators.
    This will be Aberg’s first scratch since early October. He has gone seven games without a point, and a minus-10, including a minus-3 in the last game against the Oilers. Brian Gibbons replaced him in the lineup. Jan 9 – 9:58 PM

    http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nhl/4051/pontus-aberg

    I love that he’s getting scratched after going -3 against the Oilers. Hey, maybe he’ll be on waivers again soon!

    Dude still has as many goals this season as Spooner, Kassian, Rattie, Lucic, Khaira, & Reider…. COMBINED!!

  69. Dicky94 says:

    LMHF#1,

    Can hardly wait until his next trade! So excited!

  70. ArmchairGM says:

    Jethro Tull: FIFY

    He’s been the 2nd best producing winger on the team since Hitchcock took over.

  71. ArmchairGM says:

    frjohnk: Benning back in with Gravel.

    This is good.

    Since Hitch took over, Benning has done well:

    CF% – 1st on the team
    FF% – 2nd to Klefbom
    SF% – 2nd to Klefbom
    GF% – 1st on the team
    SCF% – 1st
    HDCF% – 1st
    HDGF% – 2nd to Klefbom

  72. LMHF#1 says:

    Admiral Ackbar: Clearly this isn’t a meritocracy. It’s all about optics and people trying to save their own butts….

    I know a lot of people talk about Steinbrenner unfavorably – but this team so badly needs a Steinbrenner moment. First the bull in a china shop Steinbrenner to clean house, then the “let my guys do their thing but WIN at nearly any cost” Steinbrenner.

    Very thankful every year that at least one of my teams has the correct priority.

  73. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Eh Team: A lot of forwards here that wouldn’t play on a good NHL team (Lucic, Rieder, Kassian, Gambardella, Brodziak, Spooner).At least the 6 best available defensemen are in.

    But what a sad looking lineup.

    Funny how the difference between winning and losing has been Klefbom (and to a much lesser extent Russell – only because there is horrible depth). That is a testament to how good McD is.

    We all saw the Dallas game when McGod was sick. It was not exciting. It wasn’t even entertainment.

  74. Admiral Ackbar says:

    LMHF#1: I know a lot of people talk about Steinbrenner unfavorably – but this team so badly needs a Steinbrenner moment. First the bull in a china shop Steinbrenner to clean house, then the “let my guys do their thing but WIN at nearly any cost” Steinbrenner.

    Very thankful every year that at least one of my teams has the correct priority.

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. The illness is a lot higher than the level of the GM or even President. Katz needs to grow a pair.

  75. hunter1909 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: If they’re losing they must be wussies, that’s how good teams like the Oilers diagnose the malaise. Time for the Av’s to Luc up before it’s too late. Maybe toss in a 7th to move it forward.

    Why for that deal I’ll even throw in Brandon Manning.

  76. nelson88 says:

    Like that Pujo is still with RNH. Hope they can continue to build momentum so there is no incentive to break the line up. The biggest screw up with Pujo is not what league he has played in but not giving him a smart center and clearly defined role for an extended amount of time. Sad to see such talent look utterly lost.

    Win 5 of 7 before the break with the prospect of 10 days off and both Klef and Sekera returning likely means not only holding down the 2nd wildcard spot but the incentive not to do anything stupid leading up to the trade deadline. Go Oilers!!

  77. Side says:

    LMHF#1: And yet, he can’t score to save his life – even with the best player in the world – while the other guy has 17 on the season and has contributed to a bunch of goals by being the screen/traffic.

    Might mean you have to dig a bit deeper and combine the stats with strong eyes.

    Or it’s a scoring slump since Rattie was producing when he was with McDavid last year and showed chemistry in the pre-season with him.

  78. knighttown says:

    McSorley33:
    Imagine being RNH and Jesse and finding out Milan is on your line….

    Milan in your top 6 Hitch?

    And yes, I realize thre are few alternatives. Conceded.

    But, there are 2 definitive wingers that are not top 6:
    Rieder ( 0 goals ) & Lucic ( 1 even strength)

    Spooner has some offence and same with Rattie…not much I agree.

    But Lucic has Nothing. Nothing.

    Whatever Hitch thinks of Spooner and Rattie in our own zone – can go double for
    Looch.

    If you are putting Lucic in the top 6 – you are spiking the water supply.

    But there literally is no good choice. Not a single one. It’s all our individual pets. You like 98. Bobby might think 29 has something. I’ve been clamoring for JJ to get his shot but a fucking 3% CF% with 97? Go back down to the bottom of the depth chart son.

    Going back to that first Sharks game in late December, starting when Lucic made that nice pass to Drai who scored; here are our wingers scoring totals at evens:

    T1. Lucic, Puljujaarvi, Kassian- 2
    T4. Every other winger/forward

    If you add in the great hit that set up Drai for his goal against the Ducks you could make the argument that Lucic is our #1 winger based on MERIT.

  79. ArmchairGM says:

    LMHF#1: And yet, he can’t score to save his life – even with the best player in the world – while the other guy has 17 on the season and has contributed to a bunch of goals by being the screen/traffic.

    Might mean you have to dig a bit deeper and combine the stats with strong eyes.

    You don’t win by scoring goals alone, but by goal differential. Rattie’s 5v5 differential numbers are simply better. Keep Chase on the 1PP if you want, but he isn’t the better player at 5v5.

  80. hunter1909 says:

    Tonight’s game = Must Win.

    Lose tonight and the season is as good as over. Win and the season lives on for another few games. For these reasons I, hunter1909 guarantee an Oilers W tonight.

  81. pts2pndr says:

    Admiral Ackbar: I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. The illness is a lot higher than the level of the GM or even President. Katz needs to grow a pair.

    Vast difference in major league baseball’s luxury tax and a cap structure in hockey. In baseball with the money you can buy a championship. This is not even close to a fair comparison!

  82. LMHF#1 says:

    Side: Or it’s a scoring slump since Rattie was producing when he was with McDavid last year and showed chemistry in the pre-season with him.

    Garbage time points? We’re really going to go there?

    They should be ashamed at the talent they’ve asked McDavid to play with the past couple seasons.

  83. Wilde says:

    I was just listening to the Hitchcock’s avail and something struck me.

    It might be just entirely projection in that I’m hearing what I want to hear, but several times he’d say something like they’re in a dogfight, but he’s just enjoying the ride and that no one’s gonna help them; we knew it was going to be like this etc etc etc and it didn’t sound like a HC that had just pulled the trade alarm on his GM.

    Because honestly, Chiarelli has to get Hitchcock’s approval for the big add. I’m pretty sure of that.

    I think Hitchcock’s stature in Edmonton, his standing with Bob, and his start before Klefbom went down combined with Chiarelli’s half-lame-duck-ness means he’s holding the ball on a lot of stuff that’s not typically the head coach’s domain.

    Again, this is exactly what I want to hear so I’m not sure it’s not delusion. The championship Edmonton Oilers team has McDavid, Klefbom, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Puljujärvi, Jones, Bouchard, the 2019 first round selection and (likely) Yamamoto on it.

  84. ArmchairGM says:

    nelson88: Like that Pujo is still with RNH. Hope they can continue to build momentum so there is no incentive to break the line up. The biggest screw up with Pujo is not what league he has played in but not giving him a smart center and clearly defined role for an extended amount of time.

    THIS.

  85. LMHF#1 says:

    ArmchairGM: You don’t win by scoring goals alone, but by goal differential. Rattie’s 5v5 differential numbers are simply better. Keep Chase on the 1PP if you want, but he isn’t the better player at 5v5.

    I’m pretty sure you know I’ve been here long enough and seen enough of the discussion that the first part isn’t necessary.

    You can’t legitimately be defending a 2 goal player on the first line…and for the record I was in no way looking to turn this into a Rattie vs. Chiasson debate, as evidenced by my initial post. Honestly not sure why you’re going there. My point is Rattie simply isn’t good enough.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Petrovic is in concussion protocol.

    Manning and Yamamoto excepted to play one of the next few games.

    Coach is hopeful Yamamoto is ready for Saturday.

    Manning – gross.

  87. LMHF#1 says:

    Dicky94:
    LMHF#1,

    Can hardly wait until his next trade! So excited!

    Maybe Nurse for a smaller, younger, non-NHL version of himself?

    Chiasson for a 6th and a Swiss D League player?

    Hopkins for a left handed winger that doesn’t see properly out of one eye?

    Place your bets now!

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hitch also says the top players will play ALOT over the next 7 games as they have a big break coming up after that.

    Given McDavid is averaging 20 second more even strength TOI/game than the previous leader in the cap era (credit: Willis/Athletic), I’m not so sure how much more he could play.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Whoa Hitch is honest – talks about how he thinks Koskinen has hit a wall a bit but is starting to come out of it and has a great attitude about looking in the mirror and knowing what’s wrong. Gregor tweeted the quote.

  90. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Petrovic is in concussion protocol.

    Manning and Yamamoto excepted to play one of the next few games.

    Coach is hopeful Yamamoto is ready for Saturday.

    Manning – gross.

    I still don’t get how that hit wasn’t called.

    Three games in a row. And the NHL had to come out and say publicly that there is no controversy…which doesn’t help their case.

  91. Side says:

    LMHF#1: Garbage time points? We’re really going to go there?

    They should be ashamed at the talent they’ve asked McDavid to play with the past couple seasons.

    Oh, you’re just looking to rant.

    Carry on.

  92. ArmchairGM says:

    McSorley33:
    Imagine being RNH and Jesse and finding out Milan is on your line….

    Milan in your top 6 Hitch?

    And yes, I realize thre are few alternatives. Conceded.

    But, there are 2 definitive wingers that are not top 6:
    Rieder ( 0 goals ) & Lucic ( 1 even strength)

    Spooner has some offence and same with Rattie…not much I agree.

    But Lucic has Nothing. Nothing.

    Whatever Hitch thinks of Spooner and Rattie in our own zone – can go double for
    Looch.

    If you are putting Lucic in the top 6 – you are spiking the water supply.

    I agree in principle, but early returns at 5v5 have been fine.

    RNH+JP+ML = 2.74 GF/60: solid 2nd line rate
    RNH+JP-ML = 3.09 GF/60: 1st line rate
    RNH-JP-ML = 2.01 GF/60: 3rd line rate

  93. Wilde says:

    russ99:
    Ain’t happening, and not sure what anyone is seeing on the ice other than his skating ability (and that hot streak with the Rangers) thinks it ever will.

    russ99:

    What does he really bring to the table where we can assume he’d be effective on those lines? As far as I can tell it’s only skating.
    The Rangers thought those 20 points in 16 games was a fluke, hot streak, and judging by his performance here, that sure seems to be the case.
    We’d be better served keeping him as our 4th line center. He can win faceoffs, and help get the puck out of our zone. That’s it, anything else is a bonus.

    That hot streak with the Rangers?

    The one hot streak with the Rangers?

    Spooner scored 142 pts in 249 games over his age 21-25 seasons with the Bruins.

    He’s got a better history as a scorer than every natural winger on this roster who’s under 30.

    You’re framing his career as if he only ever scored in that 20 game stretch with the Rangers, when the only time he’s ever /not/ scored is this season.

    The observation that he’s a faceoff centre that provides zone exits is literally the opposite of the truth. He’s a complementary scorer and always has been.

  94. Jethro Tull says:

    ArmchairGM: He’s been the 2nd best producing winger on the team since Hitchcock took over.

    You say that like it’s a good thing.

  95. hunter1909 says:

    LMHF#1: Maybe Nurse for a smaller, younger, non-NHL version of himself?

    Chiasson for a 6th and a Swiss D League player?

    Hopkins for a left handed winger that doesn’t see properly out of one eye?

    Place your bets now!

    Do you want to know what’s sad? When I read that Nurse trade of yours I thought it sounded reasonable and fair. Compared to Chiarelli’s overall M.O. and body of work that is.

  96. Dicky94 says:

    LMHF#1,

    I’m going to add JP and a 2nd pick for Clutterbuck. Exciting times!

  97. Oilin4 says:

    London Jon:
    It would be very pretty interesting to make up a team of ‘players PC traded away for nothing’.

    It’s definitely a playoff team and maybe a cup contender…

    Let’s do it.

    Hall-Seguin-Wheeler
    Comment: My Gord! Best line in hockey maybe. Do I really have to continue?

    Ok I will.

    Sobotka-Barzal-Eberle (traded pick used on Barzal for Reinhart)
    Pouliot-Aberg-Rakell (traded pick use on Rakell for Kaberle)

    I didn’t take Kessel away because that would be double-counting the Seguin one which I don’t think is fair but you could.

    Tried to do the D one but things don’t look so bad.

  98. Dicky94 says:

    McSorley33,

    I actually think Lucic might go on a little run here. That line has looked good last couple of games. That goal he scored could be the turning point for the season.

  99. ArmchairGM says:

    LMHF#1: I’m pretty sure you know I’ve been here long enough and seen enough of the discussion that the first part isn’t necessary.

    But this was? “… you have to dig a bit deeper and combine the stats with strong eyes.”

    something something glass houses

    LMHF#1:
    My point is Rattie simply isn’t good enough.

    Well of course not, but then nobody on this roster is. Look at the winger depth.

    My point is if you go back and look at which wingers have had success with which centers, it’s not at all unreasonable to opine that the team could be successful with Rattie on McDavid’s starboard.

    Chiasson’s points/60 this season with McDavid is 1.31, Rattie’s is 2.06.
    McDavid’s on-ice GF/60 this season with Chiasson is 2.95, with Rattie it’s 3.29.

    I have no issue suggesting a McDavid-Rattie duo on the 1st line. You mocked me for it so I’m stating my case. Turns out you’re wrong. No need to get offended.

  100. who says:

    I prefer Rattie over Spooner and both of them over Gambordeli.
    At this point I think it’s important to have your most skilled players in the lineup so you at least have a chance to score.
    I like Rattie. I know he hasn’t scored, but at least he’s getting some chances and creating some chances.
    There are too many forwards on this team who regularly go multiple games without getting a sniff. Guys like Spooner, Lucic, Brodziak, Rieder, Kassian, etc. Rattie at least creates a few chances, even on the 4th line.
    There has to be something I’m not seeing. Or Hitch just has a giant mental block about this player.

  101. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Did everyone see MacKinnon go off on Bednar last night?

    Link: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nathan-mackinnon-furious-bench-calls-coach/

    Its clear to me that… *checks old posts, tweets and sports columns on Hall/Eakins/water bottle* … MacKinnon is a cancer in the room, feels he’s above coaching and it what is keeping COL from winning.

    The only solution is to trade him for Larsson.

    One for one.

    Get on it Pete.

    Love it….clearly he is a problem in as much as he has talent and is on a value contract..clearly untenable as a part of Colorado

  102. Oilin4 says:

    Oilin4: Let’s do it.

    Hall-Seguin-Wheeler
    Comment: My Gord! Best line in hockey maybe. Do I really have to continue?

    Ok I will.

    Sobotka-Barzal-Eberle (traded pick used on Barzal for Reinhart)
    Pouliot-Aberg-Rakell (traded pick use on Rakell for Kaberle)

    I didn’t take Kessel away because that would be double-counting the Seguin one which I don’t think is fair but you could.

    Tried to do the D one but things don’t look so bad.

    In return for all these trades he received

    Adam Larsson
    Rich Peverly
    Boris Valibrik
    Loui Eriksson
    Joe Morrow
    Reilly Smith
    Matt Fraser
    Griffin Reinhart
    Ryan Strome
    Michele Ouellet
    and Tomas Kaberle

    He also had to throw in other players to make these trades happen.

    How is this guy still employed?

  103. knighttown says:

    Dicky94:
    McSorley33,

    I actually think Lucic might go on a little run here. That line has looked good last couple of games. That goal he scored could be the turning point for the season.

    I have 20 bucks on the under and you haven’t even set the over/under yet.

  104. LMHF#1 says:

    hunter1909: Do you want to know what’s sad? When I read that Nurse trade of yours I thought it sounded reasonable and fair. Compared to Chiarelli’s overall M.O. and body of work that is.

    Scary times.

    I believe the ‘C’ or so squad from this comment section could have guided this group a fair bit better.

    And I’m not joking.

  105. LMHF#1 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Not offended. We disagree and there’s a rather wide gulf. Ah well.

  106. Oilin4 says:

    Imagine, the Oilers make the playoffs, just barely, but proceed to get absolutely destroyed by the…wait for it…Calgary Flames. Surely Chia goes then, right?

  107. Professor Q says:

    Oilin4:
    Imagine, the Oilers make the playoffs, just barely, but proceed to get absolutely destroyed by the…wait for it…Calgary Flames. Surely Chia goes then, right?

    I would think we’d actually put up a battle with Calgary, except they do have Tkachuk and what he’d do to McDavid worries me.

  108. tileguy says:

    Do other teams use the blender as much as the Oilers?
    This question relates to all those that defend or disparage the use of a player on a certain line.

  109. russ99 says:

    Wilde:
    That hot streak with the Rangers?

    The one hot streak with the Rangers?

    Spooner scored 142 pts in 249 games over his age 21-25 seasons with the Bruins.

    He’s got a better history as a scorer than every natural winger on this roster who’s under 30.

    You’re framing his career as if he only ever scored in that 20 game stretch with the Rangers, whenthe only time he’s ever /not/ scored is this season.

    The observation that he’s a faceoff centre that provides zone exits is literally the opposite of the truth. He’s a complementary scorer and always has been.

    Two 13 goal seasons puts him in a scorer category with Caggiula. The most assists in a year he had was 36 playing with good linemates in Boston.

    He’s also got a higher shooting percentage with the Oilers than in his career.

    If that’s what we’re trying to push onto the top 6, then we’re a sorry lot indeed.

  110. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    who:
    I prefer Rattie over Spooner and both of them over Gambordeli.
    At this point I think it’s important to have your most skilled players in the lineup so you at least have a chance to score.
    I like Rattie. I know he hasn’t scored, but at least he’s getting some chances and creating some chances.
    There are too many forwards on this team who regularly go multiple games without getting a sniff. Guys like Spooner, Lucic, Brodziak,Rieder, Kassian,etc. Rattie at least creates a few chances, even on the 4th line.
    There has to be something I’m not seeing. Or Hitch just has a giant mental block about this player.

    I’d actually like to see Spooner and Rattie get a few shifts with McDavid. And no, I’m not drunk. Rattie has had success with 97, and I don’t think Spooner has ever gotten a real shot at being a scorer here. He’s spent most of his time on the bottom 6, and alot of that time as 3C. This was never what he was brought in to do. Put him in a position for success before we cut-bait on him. These 2 are the kind of guys that Crosby has been making famous for years while winning rings in Pittsburgh. And if that line ever did get scoring, you just might just have enough forwards left over to milk a few goals out of the rest of the lines.

    Honestly, what’s the worst thing that could happen at this point?

  111. --hudson-- says:

    If the Oilers have a 20% chance of making the playoffs, does that mean we should make the playoffs twice every ten years?

  112. drglen says:

    Hoffman is worth a look. I’d offer a goalie, (talbot- Luongo is cooling off) …

    define ‘skill player’?

    You’ve got only 1 skill player imo to offer, and that’s Khaira.

  113. giddy says:

    knighttown:
    Interesting thread.This is a very unique season in the NHL.I don’t know if it’s the smaller goalie gear or a chasm of difference between management talent levels but parity may finally be broken.Good teams are historically good (Tampa) and there are probably 10 teams in (or have been in like Dallas) full out crisis mode.

    Listened to Boomer on Sirius the other day and he feels like Tampa will have a Warriors-like impact on the game with the way they are playing.He mentioned Klay scoring 43 points Tuesday night with only 4 total dribbles.The Warriors changed the way the game is played and feels the same thing is happening with Tampa.Something they are doing is creating so many clean scoring looks…he described it as “pass-and-move”.Said Chicago (of all teams) is right on their heels with the way they are trying to play.

    I don’t watch either enough to comment but would suggest the Sharks too.I can say that I haven’t seen a more hopeless matchup than Oilers-Sharks since some of those Sam Gagner led teams went out West to play the Kings about 10 years ago.

    TB is just another team who either has some sort of magical development system or the best scouts out there.

    They have undrafted Tyler Johnson and Yanni Gourde, 3rd round Brayden Point, 2nd round Kucherov, and then traded beans for McDonagh and then swindled Montreal for Sergachev. Add in Hedman, Stamkos and Vasi from their 1st round selections, and that’s a recipe for a good team.

    And then add in cheap taxes and warm weather Florida, and it makes sense why they’re so good.

  114. Melman says:

    Since everyone seems to be trying to make lemonade today: at least when Klef comes back it’s not on a wobbly knee, or with a gimpy shoulder. Might take a few twirls to shake the rust off his hands, but he should get up to speed quickly and presumably he’ll be in tip-top shape.

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown,

    Listened to Boomer on Sirius the other day and he feels like Tampa will have a Warriors-like impact on the game with the way they are playing.

    Wait until Erik Karlsson signs there next year.

    I’ve had two different people who work for two different NHL teams tell me independently that he’s a lock to go there next year.

    There will be a line up to take Johnson or Palat off their hands to make room.

    They could also buyout Callahan’s last year at $5.8 too.

    I’d bet Karlsson signs for close to $8MM too as he wants to be there and no FLA state tax makes $8MM like $10MM in some markets.

    Stralman won’t be resigned.

    I’ve always like Stralman, but he’ll be 33 next year. Maybe a 2 year deal would work if he’s available.

  116. giddy says:

    drglen:
    Hoffman is worth a look.I’d offer a goalie, (talbot- Luongo is cooling off) …

    define ‘skill player’?

    You’ve got only 1 skill player imo to offer, and that’s Khaira.

    While I’m sure other team’s pro scouts would absolutely see value in Khaira, I am positive we all collectively overrate him and he’s maybe a 4th, marginal 3rd line “skill guy”. Has 34 points in 108 games over his last two seasons. At 24 years old, it’s looking like this may be in the ball park of what he’ll ever be able to bring to the table offensively.

    He’d probably fetch reasonable value at the trade deadline as a fantastic depth pick up with his ultra cheap contract that basically any playoff team could afford. Well built for grind-y playoff games with his stature, physical, good on the PK, good-enough skater, some offensive touch.

    Could maybe get a 3rd for him, but is a 3rd really worth it? He’s basically the only 3rd round pick that the Oilers have successfully developed into a regular NHL player in recent memory (Anton Slepyshev, I suppose with his 100 games played, not counted).

  117. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’ve always like Stralman, but he’ll be 33 next year. Maybe a 2 year deal would work if he’s available.

    So your saying 7yrs, 6per NMC gets ‘er done?

  118. giddy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    knighttown,

    Listened to Boomer on Sirius the other day and he feels like Tampa will have a Warriors-like impact on the game with the way they are playing.

    Wait until Erik Karlsson signs there next year.

    I’ve had two different people who work for two different NHL teams tell me independently that he’s a lock to go there next year.

    There will be a line up to take Johnson or Palat off their hands to make room.

    They could also buyout Callahan’s last year at $5.8 too.

    I’d bet Karlsson signs for close to $8MM too as he wants to be there and no FLA state tax makes $8MM like $10MM in some markets.

    Stralman won’t be resigned.

    I’ve always like Stralman, but he’ll be 33 next year.Maybe a 2 year deal would work if he’s available.

    Ha, just when you think a d-corp of Karlsson, Burns and Vlasic is nasty, imagine Karlsson, Hedman, Sergachev and McDonagh.

    Who do you take, that Lightning line-up, or the 07 Ducks with Pronger, Niedermayer, and Beauchemin?

  119. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers: Yotes’ problem is they can’t score. They are third-lowest in the league with 108 GF. LA has a mere 99!

    Chayka has made some smart moves, but until Keller is his third-highest scorer they’re a popgun team.

    A good Dcorps play a role in scoring more.

    The more you have the puck in the ozone the more you score.

  120. 106 and 106 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    So the Sharks move him prior to deadline, or lose him for nothing?

  121. Wilde says:

    russ99: Two 13 goal seasons puts him in a scorer category with Caggiula. The most assists in a year he had was 36 playing with good linemates in Boston.
    He’s also got a higher shooting percentage with the Oilers than in his career.
    If that’s what we’re trying to push onto the top 6, then we’re a sorry lot indeed.

    Oh yeah, that one thirteen goal season where Caggiula put up seven assists (versus Spooners, as you said, /thirty-six/), where he definitely played with absolutely no good teammates ever, none. Can’t even remember His name.

    That’s not in the same category. It’s 49 pts to 20. That’s not in the same category, it’s really not.

    As for sorry lots? That’s not breaking news. The makeup of the team doesn’t change the player-type from complementary playmaker to 4th line face-off centre.

    You said we’re better served using him there and there’s no evidence for that.

  122. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Re: Looch with RNH and JP

    Last year and this year:

    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 TOI
    RNH JP Looch 135.5
    RNH JP w/o Looch 182.3

    Small samples abound……

    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 CF%
    RNH JP Looch 46.0
    RNH JP w/o Looch 43.0

    CF slightly better with Looch

    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 GF%
    RNH JP Looch 66.7
    RNH JP w/o Looch 42.1

    GF% waaaaay better with Looch

    And because you’ll ask, here’s the numbers with JJ and not Looch:

    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 TOI
    RNH JP JJ 63.1

    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 CF%
    RNH JP JJ 46.7

    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 GF%
    RNH JP JJ 50

    Result is decent with JJ too

  123. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    106 and 106:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    So the Sharks move him prior to deadline, or lose him for nothing?

    That’s the word.

    They’re trying to win though, he’s not going anywhere.

    They’re still hoping to sign him too.

  124. Primetime says:

    106 and 106:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    So the Sharks move him prior to deadline, or lose him for nothing?

    I think they keep him for sure.

    They are shooting for a Cup, and nothing less.

    If he leaves, they just paid early for their “rental”. And the one thing that may keep him in San Jose would be a Cup win and the promise of more to come…

  125. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    knighttown,

    Listened to Boomer on Sirius the other day and he feels like Tampa will have a Warriors-like impact on the game with the way they are playing.

    Wait until Erik Karlsson signs there next year.

    I’ve had two different people who work for two different NHL teams tell me independently that he’s a lock to go there next year.

    There will be a line up to take Johnson or Palat off their hands to make room.

    They could also buyout Callahan’s last year at $5.8 too.

    I’d bet Karlsson signs for close to $8MM too as he wants to be there and no FLA state tax makes $8MM like $10MM in some markets.

    Stralman won’t be resigned.

    I’ve always like Stralman, but he’ll be 33 next year.Maybe a 2 year deal would work if he’s available.

    I just dont see how they make it cap wise. Point is not going to come cheap (9mil per?). They only have two defensemen signed past next year and those dont come cheap. Sergachev will need a raise. Vasilevski is signed for only one more year and will definitely double his money. They can get replace Johnson and Palats with Cirelli and Joseph for cheaper. But think they get too top heavy if they sign Karlsson. In one year
    Kucherov 9.5 mil,
    Stamkos 8.5 mil
    Point 9.0 mil
    Hedman 8.0 mil
    Karlsson 8.0 mil (probably more but will go with it)
    Gourde 5.0 mil
    McD 7 mil
    Vasilevski 7 mil (probably higher)

    62 mil for 8 players. That is they get Palat Johnson and Killorn to waive their NTC Plus Sergachev even if he bridges that gets really tight

  126. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Any particular reason he wouldnt resign with SJ?

    seem similiar to Tampa. Good Team. Good climate. ??

  127. Durag says:

    LMHF#1: Maybe Nurse for a smaller, younger, non-NHL version of himself?

    Chiasson for a 6th and a Swiss D League player?

    Hopkins for a left handed winger that doesn’t see properly out of one eye?

    Place your bets now!

    My actual guess is Jesse + Nurse for Dougie Hamilton, but that’s not terrible enough so no way it happens.

  128. Zelepukin says:

    leadfarmer: I just dont see how they make it cap wise.Point is not going to come cheap (9mil per?).They only have two defensemen signed past next year and those dont come cheap.Sergachev will need a raise.Vasilevski is signed for only one more year and will definitely double his money.They can get replace Johnson and Palats with Cirelli and Joseph for cheaper.But think they get too top heavy if they sign Karlsson.In one year
    Kucherov 9.5 mil,
    Stamkos8.5 mil
    Point 9.0 mil
    Hedman8.0 mil
    Karlsson8.0 mil (probably more but will go with it)
    Gourde 5.0 mil
    McD 7 mil
    Vasilevski7 mil(probably higher)

    62 mil for 8 players.That is they get Palat Johnson and Killorn to waive their NTC Plus Sergachev even if he bridges that gets really tight

    Plus if they win the cup you’ve got everyone’s price tag going up even further.

    If SJ can get their goaltending to be more consistent, they’ll be in prime playoff shape to go deep. I can see EK staying there.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Lines I’d like to see:

    Spooner – McDavid – Rattie
    Khaira – Nugent-Hopkins – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian

    Jones – Larsson
    Nurse – Russell
    Gravel – Benning

    100% nailed what I want to see. The 1LW/2LW and 1RW/2RW are somewhat interchangeable for me but those are the top 4 wingers for current roster deployment, in my opinion.

    We were closer last game than projected for tonight as Hitch is already planning on moving Drai back to Connors wing – and with Chiasson – SIGH!

  130. Oilin4 says:

    This new feature on capfriendly is a horror show:

    https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/staff/peter-chiarelli

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q:
    Bobrovski has been scratched for tonight, with the reasoning of not meeting team expectations. Trade coming soon?

    Here is the release from the GM: “There are certain expectations and values that we have established for our players that define our culture. An incident occurred in which Sergei failed to meet those expectations and values, so we made the decision that he would not be with the team for tonight’s game. This is an internal matter and we will have no further comment at this time.

    ————-

    maybe he was out partying with Aberg and missed practice the next morning?

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Side: What do you mean?

    Chia gave Reinhart away for nothin and he isn’t good enough to play on any team.

    Haha….

    No way – we were able to keep Khaira b/c of the Grrifin R. exposure.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    ArmchairGM

    Love how everyone including our coach and GM are trying to force square peg Spooner into the scoring winger round hole.

    Ain’t happening, and not sure what anyone is seeing on the ice other than his skating ability (and that hot streak with the Rangers) thinks it ever will.

    I feel the opposite – Spooner is a top 6 type player, not a 4th line type player. He has scored at top 6 rates throughout his NHL career (prior to this year).

    It makes no sense to put him with Brodziak and Joe G.

  134. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    ArmchairGM:
    Lines I’d like to see:

    Spooner – McDavid – Rattie
    Khaira – Nugent-Hopkins – Puljujarvi
    Rieder – Draisaitl – Chiasson
    Lucic – Brodziak – Kassian

    Jones – Larsson
    Nurse – Russell
    Gravel – Benning

    100% nailed what I want to see. The 1LW/2LW and 1RW/2RW are somewhat interchangeable for me but those are the top 4 wingers for current roster deployment, in my opinion.

    We were closer last game than projected for tonight as Hitch is already planning on moving Drai back to Connors wing – and with Chiasson – SIGH!
    *******************************************************************************************
    For the record — this is exactly my lineup I would like to see as well.

  135. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar: No way – we were able to keep Khaira b/c of the Grrifin R. exposure.

    Just a jab at the fact that Chiarelli gave up a ton to acquire a player who was not fit to play in the NHL and then ended up losing him on waivers.

  136. v4ance says:

    Oilin4:
    This new feature on capfriendly is a horror show:

    https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/staff/peter-chiarelli

    So browsing that… the 2nd rounder used to select Oliver Rodrigue cost a 3rd and a 5th round pick.

    Petrovic cost a 3rd and Wideman who cost a 6th round pick.

    So Petrovic, a 2nd or 3rd pair “rental” D was basically cost a “2nd round” pick.

    I think Caggulia would have only garnered a 3rd round pick under this kind of valuation… but then trading for Manning using a 3rd round pick would and should be considered an absolute travesty.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    Those 5 on 5 numbers from the farm team are not encouraging…..Tyler Benson is almost in
    line with Hebig– a free agent signing.

    Of note, Hebig is a year older than Benson which is important at that age when talking about development paths.

    Hebig played in the WHL as an over-ager last year.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: What does he really bring to the table where we can assume he’d be effective on those lines? As far as I can tell it’s only skating.

    A career history of scoring at top 6 rates in the NHL…..

  139. --hudson-- says:

    Oilin4:
    This new feature on capfriendly is a horror show:

    https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/staff/peter-chiarelli

    Funny that the compensation of the first transaction (Chiarelli from Ottawa to Boston) ended up being Eric Gryba.

  140. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Of note, Hebig is a year older than Benson which is important at that age when talking about development paths.

    Hebig played in the WHL as an over-ager last year.
    *************************************************************************
    I hear you.

    And I want to commend you again for your updates on our prospects.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    LMHF#1: 0 points in 16 games was a fluke, hot streak, and judging by his performance here, that sure seems to be the case.

    In the last 25 games, Rattie has played 55 minutes with McDavid, so 2-3 games (probably 2 and some odd shifts).

    In those games, McDavid’s metrics (possession and goal share) were higher than in his time without Rattie.

    I wouldn’t say he can’t score with McDavid but that he hasn’t been given the opportunity since he came back from injury or since Hitch took over.

    I chose 25 games as kind of a random number that would simply include his post-injury games.

  142. Wilde says:

    PARDON ME, ALL

    May I have your attention; please and thank you; ladies and gentlemen-

    Here is Peter Chiarelli’s last trade from his time with Boston, occurring March 2nd, 2015:

    2015 2nd (#44 overall)
    2016 2nd (#44 overall)

    for

    Brett Connolly.

    Folks, timing is the issue here. It really is. The trade cannot happen.

  143. Wilde says:

    I think he may have been in the same exact situation there.

    As in, he wasn’t allowed to make a Seguin-level trade, but still bought in March on a soon-to-be eliminated team, and hurt the team’s pipeline considerably.

    I found the trade on Capfriendly’s new wonderful feature posted by Oilin4 above.

    Also worth looking at there is Boston’s trades in the year after PC was relieved of his duties.

    It’s yet another mirror image of what must be done once he’s gone, the first trade was a cap dump of Söderberg for a 6th round pick (4.75Mx5, NTC).

  144. giddy says:

    Wilde:
    PARDON ME, ALL

    May I have your attention, ladies and gentlemen:

    Chiarelli’s last trade with Boston, March 2nd 2015:

    2015 2nd (#44 overall)
    2016 2nd (#44 overall)

    for

    Brett Connoly.

    Folks, timing is the issue here. It really is. The trade cannot happen.

    I mean, to be fair, Brett Connolly when Chia traded for him was in an identical situation Puljujarvi was is.

    Draft pedigree (6th overall), in his draft +3, no real NHL level success, big framed right handed RW. Only major difference is Connolly lit up the AHL pretty good.

  145. Wilde says:

    That summer, the Bruins sent out:

    Söderberg – 4.750M x 5 years; NTC/M-NTC

    Hamilton – RFA

    Lucic – 6.000M x 1 year; 2.750 retained

    Rinaldo – RFA

    Savard – 4.021 x 1 year; LTIR

    Smith – 3.425 x 2 years

    forrrrr

    2015 1st
    2015 1st
    2015 2nd
    2015 2nd
    Colin Miller
    Sean Kuraly
    Jimmy Hayes
    2016 1st
    2016 6th

    For a total cap-dump of… 19.744M?

    Without the Hamilton sign-and-trade type thing it’s about 14.000M.

    Don Sweeney’s 2015 draft is a complete meme, but that’s pretty deft. Came at a price of course.

  146. Wilde says:

    giddy: I mean, to be fair, Brett Connolly when Chia traded for him was in an identical situation Puljujarvi was is.

    Draft pedigree (6th overall), in his draft +3, no real NHL level success, big framed right handed RW. Only major difference is Connolly lit up the AHL pretty good.

    That was his draft+4

  147. godot10 says:

    giddy: Ha, just when you think a d-corp of Karlsson, Burns and Vlasic is nasty, imagine Karlsson, Hedman, Sergachev and McDonagh.

    Who do you take, that Lightning line-up, or the 07 Ducks with Pronger, Niedermayer, and Beauchemin?

    late seventies Canadiens…Robinson, Savard, Lapointe, and Nyrop, with Engblom and Langway marinating down below.

  148. godot10 says:

    106 and 106:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    So the Sharks move him prior to deadline, or lose him for nothing?

    The Sharks are an older win now team going for broke.

  149. knighttown says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    knighttown,

    Listened to Boomer on Sirius the other day and he feels like Tampa will have a Warriors-like impact on the game with the way they are playing.

    Wait until Erik Karlsson signs there next year.

    I’ve had two different people who work for two different NHL teams tell me independently that he’s a lock to go there next year.

    There will be a line up to take Johnson or Palat off their hands to make room.

    They could also buyout Callahan’s last year at $5.8 too.

    I’d bet Karlsson signs for close to $8MM too as he wants to be there and no FLA state tax makes $8MM like $10MM in some markets.

    Stralman won’t be resigned.

    I’ve always like Stralman, but he’ll be 33 next year.Maybe a 2 year deal would work if he’s available.

    We may be heading into an era of Super Teams. In the NBA it’s pretty much a given that a true young superstar on a ”lesser” team (could be small market or could be a below average franchise) will leave when they can and go to a “hot” team (large markets almost always and some model smaller markets like G State). It’s considered quite surprising when they don’t. And the big thing is that no on questions their character.

    The you have Laveon Bell simply skipping a season where his team were SB contenders as a way to maximize his next contract. And sure, there are some nasty comments but the prevailing narrative is that he should do what he needs to to take care of his family.

    And College football players are skipping Bowl games to avoid injury heading into their draft months.

    The NHL is THE last place in a North American sports where putting the we before the I is still the norm when it comes to contracts and free agency. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying hockey players are less selfish. I watched Cam Newton try to throw a football with a shoulder made of duct tape for no personal gain and tremendous personal loss potentially.

    But when it comes to contracts their agents do a great job of ensuring that it’s all about the “I”. Gauarnteed contracts and the lack thereof is a big reason why.

    Anyway, my point is that I find the narrative changing a bit. Both Karlsson and Doughty both spoke openly of “getting theirs”. Nylander used his leverage as did Nurse and Drai before him. Toronto’s Dubas has a war coming up it’s Matthews and Marner.

    Someone soon will be on a shitty team and in a shitty city and will demand out when their RFA status Is up. I don’t think a jack Eichel was far from doing it.

    Tampa is clearly Golden State in this scenario. Not large market but amazingly run and some other great features. The Leafs are the Lakers. The Bruins are the Celtics and so on.

    What’s sad is that the Oilers could have had 3-4 of the pieces to be one of those teams but pissed it all away.

  150. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Spooner is a guy we are going to be buying out this offseason.
    Not a top 6 player anymore for sure. Some guys just don’t last long in the league

  151. giddy says:

    knighttown: We may be heading into an era of Super Teams. In the NBA it’s pretty much a given that a true young superstar on a ”lesser” team (could be small market or could be a below average franchise) will leave when they can and go to a “hot” team (large markets almost always and some model smaller markets like G State). It’s considered quite surprising when they don’t. And the big thing is that no on questions their character.

    The you have Laveon Bell simply skipping a season where his team were SB contenders as a way to maximize his next contract. And sure, there are some nasty comments but the prevailing narrative is that he should do what he needs to to take care of his family.

    And College football players are skipping Bowl games to avoid injury heading into their draft months.

    The NHL is THE last place in a North American sports where putting the we before the I is still the norm when it comes to contracts and free agency. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying hockey players are less selfish. I watched Cam Newton try to throw a football with a shoulder made of duct tape for no personal gain and tremendous personal loss potentially.

    But when it comes to contracts their agents do a great job of ensuring that it’s all about the “I”. Gauarnteed contracts and the lack thereof is a big reason why.

    Anyway, my point is that I find the narrative changing a bit. Both Karlsson and Doughty both spoke openly of “getting theirs”. Nylander used his leverage as did Nurse and Drai before him. Toronto’s Dubas has a war coming up it’s Matthews and Marner.

    Someone soon will be on a shitty team and in a shitty city and will demand out when their RFA status Is up. I don’t think a jack Eichel was far from doing it.

    Tampa is clearly Golden State in this scenario. Not large market but amazingly run and some other great features. The Leafs are the Lakers. The Bruins are the Celtics and so on.

    What’s sad is that the Oilers could have had 3-4 of the pieces to be one of those teams but pissedit all away.

    Thinking about all of this makes the new CBA a very interesting topic.

  152. Side says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Spooner is a guy we are going to be buying out this offseason.
    Not a top 6 player anymore for sure.Some guys just don’t last long in the league

    Poor Spooner. 26 years old with a history of producing more than he currently is and already his career is over.

  153. TeeVee says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Did everyone see MacKinnon go off on Bednar last night?

    Link: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nathan-mackinnon-furious-bench-calls-coach/

    Its clear to me that… *checks old posts, tweets and sports columns on Hall/Eakins/water bottle* … MacKinnon is a cancer in the room, feels he’s above coaching and it what is keeping COL from winning.

    The only solution is to trade him for Larsson.

    One for one.

    Get on it Pete.

    Sounds like New Jersey is close to moving some pieces. One-eyed Pete will most likely move McDavid for Severson straight across.

  154. leadfarmer says:

    Side,

    Not over but close.
    Something happened that he fell of a cliff quickly
    We’ve already tried to move him.
    No one is biting
    Edmonton Oilers the last stop on the NHL career train

  155. Bling says:

    TeeVee: Sounds like New Jersey is close to moving some pieces. One-eyed Pete will most likely move McDavid for Severson straight across.

    Giving Pete one eye is extremely charitable.

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    Side: Just a jab at the fact that Chiarelli gave up a ton to acquire a player who was not fit to play in the NHL and then ended up losing him on waivers.

    and my comment about the acquisition of Griffin allowed us to keep Khaira is a bit tongue in cheek.

    Just to nitpick – expansion draft, not waivers.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Of note, Hebig is a year older than Benson which is important at that age when talking about development paths.

    Hebig played in the WHL as an over-ager last year.
    *************************************************************************
    I hear you.

    And I want to commend you again for your updates on our prospects.

    Thank you – appreciate that (and for the others that have expressed the same).

    I know it annoys some people but you can’t please everyone and I enjoy it.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Will Ostaf Safin every play hockey again?

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    giddy: I mean, to be fair, Brett Connolly when Chia traded for him was in an identical situation Puljujarvi was is.

    Draft pedigree (6th overall), in his draft +3, no real NHL level success, big framed right handed RW. Only major difference is Connolly lit up the AHL pretty good.

    He did light in up in his draft plus 3 year – just under a PPG.

    Puljujarvi is at a PPG in the AHL in his draft plus 3 year – of course, only 4 games – I don’t think we can say the Connolly liting it up is a “major difference” as Jesse didn’t get the opportunity and did so in the very small sample that he has.

  160. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Will Ostaf Safin every play hockey again?

    I think if he’s in danger of Ostaf infection, anything is possible in the endangerment of his hockey career’s future.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sean Durzi gets an assist 22 seconds in to his Guelph career – I worry he’s going to take quite a few offensive opportunities from Samorukov.

  162. dcsj says:

    Speaking of Hebig, I’m cheering for him to succeed on name value alone. Seems meant for hockey to me.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde: That was his draft+4

    As well as his draft plus 3.

  164. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The Leafs win again in the new battle between Edmonton and Toronto.

    Although I’m not actually too worried about Samorukov’s development with Durzi’s addition. Could even add challenge.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Spooner is a guy we are going to be buying out this offseason.
    Not a top 6 player anymore for sure.Some guys just don’t last long in the league

    Not “for sure” – not in my opinion – He hasn’t really been given a chance to play in the top 6. Buying him out without seeing what the skilled player can do with the other skilled players would be poor management (and coaching).

    What can we expect Spooner to do playing with Brodziak and Joe G.?

    Give the guy some top 6 minutes…..

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov scores – even strength goal, unassisted.

    Take that Durzi…………

  167. drglen says:

    giddy: While I’m sure other team’s pro scouts would absolutely see value in Khaira, I am positive we all collectively overrate him and he’s maybe a 4th, marginal 3rd line “skill guy”. Has 34 points in 108 games over his last two seasons. At 24 years old, it’s looking like this may be in the ball park of what he’ll ever be able to bring to the table offensively.

    He’d probably fetch reasonable value at the trade deadline as a fantastic depth pick up with his ultra cheap contract that basically any playoff team could afford. Well built for grind-y playoff games with his stature, physical, good on the PK, good-enough skater, some offensive touch.

    Could maybe get a 3rd for him, but is a 3rd really worth it? He’s basically the only 3rd round pick that the Oilers have successfully developed into a regular NHL player in recent memory (Anton Slepyshev, I suppose with his 100 games played, not counted).

    I agree with you. We all believe that Khaira has an emerging upside, which we see some games, and that could maybe entice a GM ( like PC does) to believe they are a bargain with higher years just ahead. Plus the intangible toughness aspect…….. I’m basically saying talbot plus Khaira,, maybe gets you a look at Hoffmann, plus the salary of course. Also saying the only ‘skill’ pieces that anyone not named Peter Chiarelli might actually be interested in , are Khaira, Jesse, and Kailer, .. and I hope ( i’ts only hope) that Jesse and Kailer are not for sale.

    Anyway, I hope we don’t lose tonight.

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great goal by Samorukov – picks off a pass at center ice, walks in over the blue line to the top of circles and wires one home:

    https://twitter.com/Storm_City/status/1083522797710782464

  169. v4ance says:

    Wilde:
    That summer, the Bruins sent out:

    Söderberg – 4.750M x 5 years; NTC/M-NTC

    Hamilton – RFA

    Lucic –6.000Mx 1 year; 2.750 retained

    Rinaldo – RFA

    Savard – 4.021 x 1 year; LTIR

    Smith – 3.425 x 2 years

    forrrrr

    2015 1st
    2015 1st
    2015 2nd
    2015 2nd
    Colin Miller
    Sean Kuraly
    Jimmy Hayes
    2016 1st
    2016 6th

    For a total cap-dump of… 19.744M?

    Without the Hamilton sign-and-trade type thing it’s about 14.000M.

    Don Sweeney’s 2015 draft is a complete meme, but that’s pretty deft. Came at a price of course.

    Sweeney did a masterful job of cleaning up Boston’s cap hell after Chiarelli…. Maybe hire Sweeney?

  170. jtblack says:

    Jakub Vrana on Caps. 2014 1st Round Pick.

    Didn’t progress quickly. Talk of the Caps moving him maybe ….

    Now Draft +5 season. Just scored his 15th, on pace for 29 ….

    Maybe a better JP comparable

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov and Durzi are paired together – maybe it will just be dynamic?

  172. v4ance says:

    To me, Khaira reminds me of Wayne Simmond’s career path. In LA, he was somewhat buried on a deep team. Once he got to Philly and was allowed to play top 6 and PP#1, he showed an ability to step up his game.

    Khaira hasn’t fully matured as a player but you can see the elements in his current game that might make him a good complimentary Top 6 power forward soon. At worst, he’s a utility player who can go anywhere in the lineup and on a great contract to boot!

  173. jtblack says:

    v4ance:
    To me, Khaira reminds me of Wayne Simmond’s career path.In LA, he was somewhat buried on a deep team.Once he got to Philly and was allowed to play top 6 and PP#1, he showed an ability to step up his game.

    Khaira hasn’t fully matured as a player but you can see the elements in his current game that might make him a good complimentary Top 6 power forward soon.

    Sorry but I will disagree on this one.

    I think Khaira is Oilers Fans trying to cram a square peg into a round hole. Khaira has NEVER produced offense. Even in the WHL he wasn’t a big point producer.

    Simmonds was over a ppg in OHL and put up 40 pts in L.A.

    Just don’t see it.

    Useful 3rd liner? sure.

  174. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    knighttown,

    Listened to Boomer on Sirius the other day and he feels like Tampa will have a Warriors-like impact on the game with the way they are playing.

    Wait until Erik Karlsson signs there next year.

    I’ve had two different people who work for two different NHL teams tell me independently that he’s a lock to go there next year.

    There will be a line up to take Johnson or Palat off their hands to make room.

    They could also buyout Callahan’s last year at $5.8 too.

    I’d bet Karlsson signs for close to $8MM too as he wants to be there and no FLA state tax makes $8MM like $10MM in some markets.

    Stralman won’t be resigned.

    I’ve always like Stralman, but he’ll be 33 next year.Maybe a 2 year deal would work if he’s available.

    That certain teams have non league advantages pisses me off. Admittedly I am pissed off already, thanks staff!

    Uncle Gary should even the playing surface out somehow. It’s cap circumventing at the end of the day, and an unfair advantage.

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov scores to pull Niagara within 1, 3-2 Guelph early in the 2nd.

  176. Pescador says:

    dcsj:
    Speaking of Hebig, I’m cheering for him to succeed on name value alone. Seems meant for hockey to me.

    -Football
    -Porn

  177. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Pescador: -Football
    -Porn

    Well if hockey doesn’t work out, he at least has some interesting career alternatives. That is one hell of a fine porn name.

  178. Glovjuice says:

    frjohnk:
    Has JP taken a step from last year?

    If he has, its marginal.Many of his individual numbers have dropped from last year.

    Not saying he is a bust, but there is no denying the Oilers have fumbled his development.

    Doesn’t look any better to me. Same as Yamo. jones is sliding now (should be in the AHL – gonna fuvk him up too).

  179. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: I feel the opposite – Spooner is a top 6 type player, not a 4th line type player.He has scored at top 6 rates throughout his NHL career (prior to this year).

    It makes no sense to put him with Brodziak and Joe G.

    I feel that if players aren’t good defensively and don’t hit they have to be dangerous offensively and score significantly or nobody wants to keep them.

    Teams will test drive hoping the offense happens. Usually it doesn’t, hello Germany.

    Rattie, Spooner, Cagguila, Chiasson are all in the same boat for different deficiencies.

    Thankfully the upcoming group of wingers has more potential based on better tool kits at the NHL level. And wingers should have the easiest time getting up to NHL speed.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durzi with an assist on a PP goal – Samorukov was not on the ice and it looked like PP1 – bah, opportunity stolen.

  181. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: Thank you – appreciate that (and for the others that have expressed the same).

    I know it annoys some people but you can’t please everyone and I enjoy it.

    I love you’re prospect update posts, makes the blog a better place IMO.
    I don’t recall reading anyone expressing their annoyance with them.

  182. Pescador says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Well if hockey doesn’t work out, he at least has some interesting career alternatives. That is one hell of a fine porn name.

    Unless of course you don’t *cough cough*
    live up to the billing
    Hewee doesn’t have quite the same cache

  183. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Side: Poor Spooner. 26 years old with a history of producing more than he currently is and already his career is over.

    Poor Spooner is a millionaire and if not a bozo will never swing a hammer another day in his life.

  184. OriginalPouzar says:

    v4ance:
    To me, Khaira reminds me of Wayne Simmond’s career path.In LA, he was somewhat buried on a deep team.Once he got to Philly and was allowed to play top 6 and PP#1, he showed an ability to step up his game.

    Khaira hasn’t fully matured as a player but you can see the elements in his current game that might make him a good complimentary Top 6 power forward soon.At worst, he’s a utility player who can go anywhere in the lineup and on a great contract to boot!

    Khaira is in his draft plus 7 year.

    Simmonds scoed 16 goals in his draft plus 3 year (that is 5 more than Khaira’s career high).

    By his draft plus 7 year, Simmonds had seasons of 28 goals, 28 goals and 29 goals.

    Sorry, I don’t see and sort of similar career path.

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: Doesn’t look any better to me. Same as Yamo. jones is sliding now (should be in the AHL – gonna fuvk him up too).

    Jones had a tough game in his last game.

    The game before he was absolutely splendid.

    I’m not sure that one bad game in a row should be considered “sliding”.

    He is clearly playing a bit higher up the depth chart than preferable though.

  186. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Poor Spooner is a millionaire and if not a bozo will never swing a hammer another day in his life.

    Maybe he needs to adopt Hammer Throws in his workout regimen?

  187. Scungilli Slushy says:

    v4ance: Sweeney did a masterful job of cleaning up Boston’s cap hell after Chiarelli….Maybe hire Sweeney?

    I look at that and say a competent GM doesn’t need a half decade to make decisions and clean things up if they can make deals and recognize helpful players.

  188. Pescador says:

    nelson88: Like that Pujo is still with RNH. Hope they can continue to build momentum so there is no incentive to break the line up. The biggest screw up with Pujo is not what league he has played in but not giving him a smart center and clearly defined role for an extended amount of time.

    Imagine if they had the horses to play JP with another actual top 6 forward.
    Hall RNH JP
    Oiler fans would be singing a different tune,
    Woodguy;
    “Who you play with matters, Alot”
    Last season it was: Lucic – Glovjuice – Jp
    Farking terrible, no offense

  189. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: Maybe he needs to adopt Hammer Throws in his workout regimen?

    Why bother? Cash in bank, parties to rock.

    I have no idea what he does but apparently his NHL career isn’t worth changing for.

    It always surprises me that so many players don’t do more to improve their position. The hardest working players in the league are Connor and Sydney, it’s not a coincidence.

  190. v4ance says:

    jtblack: Sorry but I will disagree on this one.

    I think Khaira is Oilers Fans trying to cram a square peg into a round hole. Khaira has NEVER produced offense.Even in the WHL he wasn’t a big point producer.

    Simmonds was over a ppg in OHL and put up 40 pts in L.A.

    Just don’t see it.

    Useful 3rd liner?sure.

    I wasn’t saying Khaira was definitely going to be a top 6 power forward but that he has elements that could make him one.

    I wasn’t using Simmonds as a numbers based comparison but based on career path. In LA Simmonds was only a 3rd liner for his entire tenure there. In Philly, he was slowly given more responsibility and progressed from being a 3rd liner to being a solid Top 6 contributor both 5 on 5 and on the PP.

    It took about 6 years for Simmonds to find his groove and break out as a player. That’s what I see Khaira MIGHT become if he continues to work on his skills. JJ has noticeably improved his skating since his first cup of coffee in 2015. He flashes deceptively soft hands puckhandling at times and uses his accurate shot infrequently.

    I just think if someone gave Khaira some coaching and an opportunity, he could develop into a good net front PP player.

  191. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov adds an assist on a Ben Jones goal.

    Through 2:

    Guelph up 4-3

    Samorukov: 1G, 2 shots, plus 2

    Maksimov: 1G/1A, 1 shot, plus 1

  192. Professor Q says:

    v4ance,

    Could this also be a Puljujärvi path? Even despite draft order?

  193. tileguy says:

    Anybody else have trouble with channel 23 on shaw?

  194. Professor Q says:

    Sure, Connor is mentally stronger because he expects it to occur and go uncalled, so he doesn’t raise a fuss.

    But he shouldn’t have to be.

  195. docweb says:

    tileguy:
    Anybody else have trouble with channel 23 on shaw?

    Yes…seizure disorder here in Southern Alberta!

  196. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ya, I had to log on to my GameCenter account to stream the game (with my work VPN locating me out east).

  197. €√¥£€^$ says:

    docweb: Yes…seizure disorder here in Southern Alberta!

    Lowe is punishing us Tier 2 Fans

  198. flyfish1168 says:

    do we ever get the 1st shot on goal in a game? Talbot 5 shots already

  199. fishman says:

    tileguy:
    Anybody else have trouble with channel 23 on shaw?

    Yep problems with Shaw satellite down here in Mesa!

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