Crossfire Hurricane

Ken Hitchcock’s post-game avail last night was golden. He said “we were exhausted. This is the worst-case scenario. Four-game road trip, travel all day, come back and play.” He also said “these games can really help you moving forward as a team because it’s damn impressive what they did.”

Aside from his coaching ability, Ken Hitchcock has created a storyline, a sideshow, that gives everyone a glimpse into the day-to-day of this team. It reminds me so much of Craig MacTavish, and I think elevates the experience. The transcript is here.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Jonathan Willis: Forecasting Oilers junior prospects based on their statistical performance
  • New Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018
  • New Jonathan Willis: Analysing the risk of heaping heavy minutes on Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl.
  • New Lowetide: Oilers midseason report card, brought to you by the letter ‘F’
  • Jonathan Willis: Unlikely scorer Jujhar Khaira has forced his way up the Oilers’ lineup on merit.
  • Black Dog Pat: There’s no in-season balancing for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 10 prospect Winter 2018: Dylan Wells.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: From 2 to 98, Oilers share the stories behind their jersey numbers.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 9 prospect Winter 2018: Joel Persson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 44

  • Oilers in 2015: 17-23-4, 38 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2016: 22-15-7, 51 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 18-23-3, 39 points; goal differential -25
  • Oilers in 2018: 21-20-3, 45 points; goal differential -11

The point total has Edmonton on pace to finish 82, 39-37-6, 84 points. That isn’t a playoff team, in fact it’s just six points clear of last year’s disappointing season. It is, however, survival while Klefbom is out. Also, it’s a new, different year. Edmonton is just two points out of the No. 8 spot in the Western Conference. Someone is going to get hot and blow away the competition. That’s why I think the Oilers are going to trade for an established scoring forward in the coming days.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-1, five points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2017: 2-3-0, four points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in January 2018: 1-4-0, two points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in January 2019: 3-2-0, six points; goal differential -4

This edition of the McDavid Oilers has more points after five January games than previous editions. Avoiding a losing streak in January will be a key for this club’s playoff chances.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • On the road to: ArizonaLos AngelesAnaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 3-2-0, six points in five games

The schedule sets up for the Oilers to win seven or eight games in January, but I don’t think we’re seeing a team destined to go on what the kids call a “heater” any time soon. Then again, this is the same team that has in fact delivered two massive 10-game segments earlier in the year.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Russell were 18-15 in 20:40, 7-7 shots, 2-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC. It was a decidedly successful evening for the pairing, Nurse went 1-1-2 and is on pace for 41 points. Went 10-14 in 15:34 against Huberdeau-Barkov-Malgin. That’s a hard match. Lordy. Nurse had eight shots and played 31:40.
  • Jones-Larsson went 12-14 in 13:52, 4-11 shots, 0-3 goals and 3-5 HDSC. Jones got walked on the first goal, the other two were weird luck and own goal. Still this pairing is starting to leak, it’s good news Klefbom is going to be ready to skate with the team by the weekend. Timeline is still post All-Star game for return. Jones-Larsson were 8-3 in 8:09 against Hoffman-Borgstrom-Dadanov.
  • Gravel-Benning were 2-9 in 11:06, 2-4 shots, no goals and no HDSC. I think Hitchcock’s third pairing is supposed to skate around and make sure nothing happens. Went 1-6 in 6:07 against Vatrano-Lammiko-Brouwer.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 27 of 30, .900. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he starts on Saturday.
  • NHL.com and NaturalStatTrick.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-Nuge-Puljujarvi were 8-5 in 8:28, 4-3 shots, no goals and 3-0 HDSC. I have to say this line has some appeal although the possession number (47 percent) is low the trio is 2-0 in GF in 52 minutes. Were 7-4 in 7:22 against Yandle-Pysyk.
  • Lucic-Brodziak-Spooner were 6-4 in 3:22, 2-1 shots, no goals and 1-0 HDSC. Gambardella played two minutes on the line as well.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson were 7-12 in 13:19, 3-6 shots, 2-0 goals and 0-1 HDSC. McDavid is beyond reason as a hockey player. You can’t just order up a damned goal you know, and yet, last night, Draisaitl to McDavid and it’s money. Again. McDavid was 13-17 in 16:28 (2-1 goals) against Matheson-Ekblad, these two teams play enjoyable games. The hit by McDavid on Ekblad got Denis Potvin’s attention but it wasn’t anything at all.
  • Rieder-Khaira-Kassian went 3-7 in 7:07, 3-6 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-1 HDSC. Went 0-9 in 5:28 against the made up names Bogdan Kiselevich and MacKenzie Weegar. As if.

THE NEW LINES

Connor McDavid spent 6:34 with Nuge and Chiasson (a goal and 7-6 Corsi, 2-1 goals, all of this 5-on-5); Leon spent five minutes with Jesse (3-2 in 5:18, 2-3 shots); Khaira spent 3:25 with Lucic and Kassian (1-4 Corsi, 1-0 shots). I think that’s the line shuffle Hitch was talking about, honestly the feed was so poor I went to the Panthers broadcast online and found it impossible to accurately track the goings on.

TAKEAWAYS

They never held the lead during the game, and won the damned thing. They looked bagged. Edmonton needs more scoring support on the wings. This January push is going to be aided by the schedule. It’s vital the Oilers take advantage.

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  1. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: It wasn’t a “one or the other” scenario

    Just a comparison

    They’re the two best LHD on the team and its not close.

    Yes, I was joking about the trade Nurse chatter, some of which I have generated.

    Now that Knighttown has noticed Jones ‘may’ have some work to do on his left side pivots I’ve decided to keep Nurse, for now 😀

  2. Wilde says:

    giddy: The gambling and MTX angle, that’s a brilliant way for the league to move forward. That said, I hate MTX so I sure hope none of that becomes the norm. Reason why I never got into HUT in the NHL games.

    (Quote

    Yeah they’re diabolical. Banning them probably isn’t a bad idea.

    I’m waiting for company, so I’ll ramble some more.

    Another opportunity teams should look at is Twitch streaming, For the crowd, Twitch is a website where people will stream themselves playing video games. For a random person, you won’t get many views, but pro gamers, ex-pro gamers, people with YouTube followings and people who have built up their followings on Twitch alone can get tens of thousands of viewers internationally. Looking at it right now, Fortnite has 231 000 viewers watching streams of the game, with the most-viewed individual stream at 43 000 views.

    Twitch generates revenue through ads and skimming subscriptions/donations. Overlay video ads like the ones that come on before you watch a YouTube video are triggered by the streamer, typically in between matchmade games of the game they’re playing they can click a button to play. Subscriptions are a $5 fee that’s mostly send to the streamer, and enables ad-free viewing as well as various other perks, plus whatever the streamer wants to do extra. Most full-time streamers, although it seems like a goofy/easy job, take their branding extremely seriously and interact with their subscribers and general viewership a great deal. Donations are self explanatory, but here’s the catch: Some streamers will allow a message with the donation, and will either read it out loud live, or have the text display on the screen. I don’t know if all or most do it, but I know it’s a thing for the most popular ones. There will also often be a ‘top 5 donations’ of the day/week/month/year, so there’s a bit of a fame thing. Sometimes, a mysterious stranger (someone’s trustfund fail-son, let’s be real) will donate thousands of dollars to try to get a reaction out of the streamer.

    Anyways, instead of banning Fortnite, some less prohibitive team is going to end up having a savvy young player start streaming and get massive exposure to young fans, interaction, and turn some young fans into super-fans (Fortnite’s player-base skews very young, even compared to past online games, that were massive, were typically rated M – which means 18+ – like Call of Duty, Halo, etc) and will likely pull young people who otherwise wouldn’t even have started to watch the sport.

    They’d need to be personable like a Subban, thick-skinned, and passably skilled at the game but the name alone will do a lot. Many streamers are very good at their games, but the people who market themselves the best and are the most entertaining are king. It probably doesn’t even have to be a superstar player – think about how Bissonnette garnered a following on Twitter despite playing ~200 NHL games and putting up 20 points.

    There’s real issues like whether or not to stream post-loss or mid losing streak, but there’s a lot to explore there. You could make a subscribers-only chat; do Q&A through the donation system; post highlights from the stream onto the team’s YouTube channel, so much potential. You can also do a stream without playing a video game (putting the stream under the category “Just Chatting”, inviting teammates to do a Q&A or stream, stream several players doing silly stuff like a competition of on-ice skill drills with the opposite handed stick, etc.

  3. Rube Foster says:

    Bruce McCurdy: The same case could have been made about trying Strome as a winger before trading him for a winger.

    Bruce, are trying to make Glovejuice lose her mind? I jest… sorta.

    Strome for Spooner remains one of Chiarelli’s most baffling transactions, in a long series of baffling transactions this season.

  4. Glovjuice says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    CoH said that the coach ended Joe G’s night in the 1st hence the low low TOI number.

    Anyone have an idea why? Guessing sickness but not sure.

    Cus he’s not even close to o EVER being an NHL player ?

  5. Glovjuice says:

    Oilin4:
    This post is probably going to get me kicked off this forum, or hunted down in some way, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.

    Imagine: Oilers don’t win the McDavid lottery. Therefore, they don’t hire Chiarelli and don’t make his boneheaded moves.

    Top 6F:
    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Marner-Draisaitl-Barzal

    Top 4D:
    Klef-XXX hired gun using Larsson’s cap space
    Nurse-XXX hired gun using Russel’s cap space

    No Lucic anchor contract, no Manning contract, no Spooner contract, and no overpay for Kassian. But likely a couple less than ideal but not total disaster decisions along the way.

    Better or worse team?

    I’m not sure it’s better, but the simple fact that it’s even a debate is just more evidence for firing this clown. Chiarelli is so bad he may have built a team that is worse than the one that would be available had we lost the McDavid lottery and not hired this bonehead.

    This team doesn’t take Marner.

  6. hunter1909 says:

    Jones looks like a decent new defenceman, Nurse is starting to fly, The wounded are beginning to return and the defence is better for it, Koski is great in goal even Talbot survived last night;

    McDavic+Drai are world beaters,

    RNH is quietly developing into Dave Keon without the quiff,

    …now we get to hear about wack trades for declining/washed up Russian wingers who will hate Edmonton then sulk then leave.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov with an assist on a PP goal.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    Bank Shot,

    Some Blues fan offered Tarasenko and Edmundson for RNH and Nurse.

    Do you does it?
    ***************************************************************
    Not me.

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Nurse – Bouchard.

    Coming to a Theatre near you….Fall of 2021

    Unfortunately, we are likely to see a sneak preview in fall of 2019……….

  9. JimmyV1965 says:

    I wouldn’t trade RNH for Tarasenko simply because it doesn’t make sense. We need to add forwards, not subtract them. But I’d be interested to see some stats that suggest RNH is actually a better player. The guy had scored 149 goals over the last four years. That’s likely top5 in the NHL, top 10 at worst. His worst season in a full year is 66 pts. I love RNH and all and wouldn’t do the trade, but I find it hard to believe he’s better than Tarasenko, who is signed for four more years after this at $7.5 mill.

  10. Glovjuice says:

    Alpine:
    Funny thing is I think Spooner kind of ‘is’ that mythical top six winger we’ve been looking for. I think it was Wilde who had the write up a few days ago about how the Oilers should really try to get this player going, due to his track record of scoring at a very decent rate in Boston.

    If there’s a trade I probably won’t criticize Chia for when it’s all said and done is Strome for Spooner. It has not worked AT ALL, but I think it’s one of the few moves where he’s gotten equal value in return. I liked Strome as an everyday 3rd line pivot who can play 2nd line RW in a pinch. Spooner should probably be an everyday 2nd line LW who can play 1st line LW in a pinch.

    Basically, the team shouldn’t blow its brains out on a trade for a bonafide (I hate this word) winger until they know beyond belief that Spooner can’t play top six. Lucic definitely can’t anymore but Spooner’s got way less miles and has had way less opportunity.

    Except a HOF coach scratches him all the time. What you are saying is nonsensical. Spooner has something going on that’s gonna kill his career.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=ev&stdoi=std&rate=y&v=t&playerid=8477498

    “Individual” “Rates” and “Teammates” are the key words you need. for the “without” numbers, I just took the total from the player summary and deducted the “with McDavid” numbers.

    Thanks.

    Yes, I’m used this function often – I guess it does do the “individual metrics” such as P/60 with teammates but it doesn’t so the with and without like it does for the “on ice” metrics.

    Of course, I might be missing something.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan McLeod opens the scoring against London with an early second period goal.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Is Caleb Jones a 1st Pairing D? I think he can be very soon if not right away. Is he a #1D?He very well could be.

    At this point, he’s not even proven to be an every day NHL d-man and he is currently starting to struggle without the puck playing in the top 4.

    You never know but I’ve never considered Jones to have top pairing (legit) potential and 13 decent games doesn’t change that.

    At this point, he’s looking likely to be an every day NHL dman – that’s a good bet.

    It wouldn’t be an egregious that he develops in to a 2nd pairing dman.

    Top pairing seems a long shot and #1D is a bit silly.

    Hopefully no more injuries come prior to Klefbom being activated so he could get some solid games on the 3rd pairing, where he should be playing if in the NHL.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OriginalPouzar,

    – I heard rumblings of a “set-back” re: Sek.

    – the bigger point though his long-term injuries have hampered the team. 2 years where his 5.5m salary on the books and come game 50+ we have no idea which sek we have

    There was some talk about his return being imminent because he was skating with the team and taking contact but the organization never stated he was on the cusp.

    Then, when Chiarelli made the two trades, he mentioned part of the reason was knowing the timeline on Klef and Reggie.

    Many took that to mean that Sekera had a set-back but it was never stated and it was an extrapolation of the early return speculation.

    I reached out to both Gregor and DN Bowman last week about Sekera (as they attend practice and the media avails) – there was no news on Sekera for a while as he was skating on his own as the team was on the road. No mention of a set back and Gregor stated he’s skating with weights to help strengthen it.

    ——

    Agree on the bigger issue but we do know he is coming back and the LTIR relief will disappear. No, we don’t know exactly how effective he will be but we do know that coming back from an Achilles tear (not rupture) is not nearly as material as coming back from the major knee surgery

  15. jtblack says:

    Winnipeg’s best D Man is out of their lineup …. and they keep Winning.

    *I’ll see myself out*

  16. jtblack says:

    workaroundaccount: No, he’s probably just another one that we overhype. Marincin, Davidson, Benning. I like him, but let’s just dial it back a touch with this one.

    +1.

    A guy plays 10 games and we Crown him a 1st pairing D ….

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rube Foster: Bruce, are trying to make Glovejuice lose her mind? I jest… sorta.

    Strome for Spooner remains one of Chiarelli’s most baffling transactions, in a long series of baffling transactions this season.

    Is it more or less baffling than the coach not actually putting the player in a position to succeed and contribute (after doing the exact same thing with Zykov)?

    The trade does actually make some sense on the premise that the team was (is) in need of secondary scoring and Spooner is simply a more productive offensive player in the NHL than Strome and has scored at top 6 rates essentially his entire career (prior to this year). He’s not going to “drive a line” but he has shown to be a complimentary piece on an offensive line.

    If the coach gave him a chance to succeed, maybe he would.

  18. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I wouldn’t trade RNH for Tarasenko simply because it doesn’t make sense. We need to add forwards, not subtract them. But I’d be interested to see some stats that suggest RNH is actually a better player. The guy had scored 149 goals over the last four years. That’s likely top5 in the NHL, top 10 at worst. His worst season in a full year is 66 pts. I love RNH and all and wouldn’t do the trade, but I find it hard to believe he’s better than Tarasenko, who is signed for four more years after this at $7.5 mill.

    Did someone suggest RNH is better than Tarasenko? If so, I didn’t see it. Especially when referencing goal-scoring.

  19. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Rube Foster: Strome for Spooner remains one of Chiarelli’s most baffling transactions, in a long series of baffling transactions this season.

    If you take the in-season moves Chiarelli has made and squint, it almost looks as if he’s trying to build solid rapport with other teams and GMs so that he can land on his feet in another organization.

    Because all he’s done with this one is ensure that the greatest player in the league is locked in long term on a team that struggles to get out of its own way.

  20. digger50 says:

    dustrock:
    Nurse really turning it around, great time to sell high on him.

    Perhaps the only non-Nuge player we could possibly sell high on.

    Depends on Sekera and whether you think Jones is really ready for full-time work, but maybe Nurse is the guy to move in the offseason to improve RHD or scoring winger.

    I know I’m late here but…

    Is t this “get good players, trade good players” “get worse players?”

    Why do we have to trade good players? We have too many or something?

  21. JimmyV1965 says:

    ArmchairGM: Did someone suggest RNH is better than Tarasenko? If so, I didn’t see it. Especially when referencing goal-scoring.

    I thought a couple different posters alluded to that. Maybe I misread.

  22. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide: We’ll see. I remember Tom Renney saying “I’ll never call out a player” and that was true until it wasn’t anymore. The nature of coaching is that at some point all available bullets will be used. I do agree that Hitchcock’s relationships with players are mostly private until the player makes them public.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/brett-hull-like-play-offence-ken-hitchcock/

    The problem with calling out the player in public is twofold. You alienate the player which is an old time way to motivate but accomplishes the reverse in this day and age. Secondly it decreases the return the GM can expect for the player. The correct way to handle this is internally and if the problem can not be resolved move the player. The players value stays higher and your internal problem stays within the team where it belongs. One way can be a win win while the other is a lose lose macho mistake. Seems like a no brainer choice as I see it!

  23. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: There was some talk about his return being imminent because he was skating with the team and taking contact but the organization never stated he was on the cusp.

    Then, when Chiarelli made the two trades, he mentioned part of the reason was knowing the timeline on Klef and Reggie.

    Many took that to mean that Sekera had a set-back but it was never stated and it was an extrapolation of the early return speculation.

    I reached out to both Gregor and DN Bowman last week about Sekera (as they attend practice and the media avails) – there was no news on Sekera for a while as he was skating on his own as the team was on the road. No mention of a set back and Gregor stated he’s skating with weights to help strengthen it.

    ——

    Agree on the bigger issue but we do know he is coming back and the LTIR relief will disappear. No, we don’t know exactly how effective he will be but we do know that coming back from an Achilles tear (not rupture) is not nearly as material as coming back from the major knee surgery

    I somehow felt Larson’s back was acting up and it played into the decision.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov adds a second assist half way through the 3rd.

  25. Jethro Tull says:

    Question for the group: What is “accountability” and how do you make people “accountable”?

    I have a strong suspicion that this is a loaded question…..and “accountability” may not mean what some think it means….

  26. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: I thought a couple different posters alluded to that. Maybe I misread.

    I think I was arguing that Nugent-Hopkins is more valuable to the Oilers, not whether or not he’s the better player. And I certainly never entertained the thought that he’s the better goal-scorer.

  27. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: There was some talk about his return being imminent because he was skating with the team and taking contact but the organization never stated he was on the cusp.

    Then, when Chiarelli made the two trades, he mentioned part of the reason was knowing the timeline on Klef and Reggie.

    Many took that to mean that Sekera had a set-back but it was never stated and it was an extrapolation of the early return speculation.

    I reached out to both Gregor and DN Bowman last week about Sekera (as they attend practice and the media avails) – there was no news on Sekera for a while as he was skating on his own as the team was on the road. No mention of a set back and Gregor stated he’s skating with weights to help strengthen it.

    ——

    Agree on the bigger issue but we do know he is coming back and the LTIR relief will disappear. No, we don’t know exactly how effective he will be but we do know that coming back from an Achilles tear (not rupture) is not nearly as material as coming back from the major knee surgery

    I listened to Oilers Now today and Bob just about, but didn’t, say the Sekera is done. Heavily hinting that if we do get Sekera back, big if, that it won’t be “the 2017 one Getzlaf took a chunk out of.”

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50: I somehow felt Larson’s back was acting up and it played into the decision.

    Did Larsson have back issued when he was a Devil because, if not, I truly don’t understand the constant talk/worry about his back.

    Yes, he had a back issue last year and missed a good month (I believe) because of it – he finished the year very strong and injury free. He left one practice early in training camp this year with “back tightness” – that’s all.

    Now, every time he has a bad game or slumps i read concerns about his back.

    Yes, I know back injuries can be chronic but I haven’t seen any sort of evidence that his back injury from last year is anything more than the isolated injury.

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: I listened to Oilers Now today and Bob just about, but didn’t, say the Sekera is done.Heavily hinting that if we do get Sekera back, big if, that it won’t be “the 2017 one Getzlaf took a chunk out of.”

    I’m not quite sure how Bob knows how effective Sekera will be – seems like pure speculation.

    I respect Bob as part of the organization but it seems he’s “missing” alot more than “hitting” on his “insider information” over the last number of months.

  30. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not quite sure how Bob knows how effective Sekera will be – seems like pure speculation.

    I respect Bob as part of the organization but it seems he’s “missing” alot more than “hitting” on his “insider information” over the last number of months.

    I think of Bob as more of a weather vane. Not everything he says comes to pass, but I’ve learnt to take notice when he says things like “I wouldn’t be surprised if….”

    Then we can marry that with the probability of a 33yo d man used to a lot of minutes being able to come back from not one but two major injuries in a year or so.

    I’d love for Rej to do it, but the odds are not in his favour.

  31. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not quite sure how Bob knows how effective Sekera will be – seems like pure speculation.

    I respect Bob as part of the organization but it seems he’s “missing” alot more than “hitting” on his “insider information” over the last number of months.

    +1

  32. Bank Shot says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I wouldn’t trade RNH for Tarasenko simply because it doesn’t make sense. We need to add forwards, not subtract them. But I’d be interested to see some stats that suggest RNH is actually a better player. The guy had scored 149 goals over the last four years. That’s likely top5 in the NHL, top 10 at worst. His worst season in a full year is 66 pts. I love RNH and all and wouldn’t do the trade, but I find it hard to believe he’s better than Tarasenko, who is signed for four more years after this at $7.5 mill.

    It would make sense to me because the Oilers might win the trade. They’d add a bit of cash, but RNH will probably be looking for comparable money when his deal is done just because.

    If you are going to trade it makes sense to trade up.

    The only concerning bit for me, is how much room Nurse has left to grow. He’s likely better than Edmundson today, and perhaps he has more potential too. I really don’t know much about Edmundson though, Appears he has been playing top four minutes the last couple of seasons for the Blues. Has size and meaness like Nurse. No offence to speak.

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    It may be a stretch to say that Nurse is better than Edmundson today – he very well may be but I do note that Edmundson took Nurse’s spot at the Worlds last year. With that said Nurse’s game has progressed this year (although still very inconsistent) but I can’t speak to Edmundson.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    ANA up 2 on PIT early – at least there is still over 50 minutes to go.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors with a couple PP goals so far:

    Gust from Bear and Polei

    Day from Benson and Marody.

    Down 3-2 in the 2nd.

  36. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The Colorado Eagles are my least favourite team to watch the Condors play against.

    So many shitheads.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    ANA up 2 on PIT early – at least there is still over 50 minutes to go.

    PIT has evened the game up at 3 after going down 3-0….

  38. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I wouldn’t trade RNH for Tarasenko simply because it doesn’t make sense. We need to add forwards, not subtract them. But I’d be interested to see some stats that suggest RNH is actually a better player. The guy had scored 149 goals over the last four years. That’s likely top5 in the NHL, top 10 at worst. His worst season in a full year is 66 pts. I love RNH and all and wouldn’t do the trade, but I find it hard to believe he’s better than Tarasenko, who is signed for four more years after this at $7.5 mill.

    Older winger for younger centre, points are similar. I’d only make this trade if Vlad was blowing Nuge out of the water, but he isn’t. And can do less.

    It’s not easy to do, but only looking at goals doesn’t tell the story. A sniper would be nice but it’s getting harder to carry any one dimensional player these days. The Caps couldn’t get over until Ovi made a long and concerted effort to stop goal sucking and put his team at EV 5v5 instead of 5v4.

    Very few players can outscore a one way contribution, especially in the playoffs, which among other things like ‘not calling the rule book’ is the sign of a balanced and competitive league.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov ended up with 3 assists.

  40. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Brossoit now 9-1-1 on the season. Haha.

  41. Glovjuice says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: If you take the in-season moves Chiarelli has made and squint, it almost looks as if he’s trying to build solid rapport with other teams and GMs so that he can land on his feet in another organization.

    Because all he’s done with this one is ensure that the greatest player in the league is locked in long term on a team that struggles to get out of its own way.

    This is very funny.

  42. oilersfan says:

    Do you folks think we could get Kyle Palmieri for our first and Spooner?

    I don’t think we can wait 4 years for a first rounder to develop

  43. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Brossoit now 9-1-1 on the season. Haha.

    Maybe the Spoilers should have got him a good coach like he had last summer. I know it’s a pretty outrageous move, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

    Actually they should fire all of the ancillary coaches because nobody has become better at goalering or skating.

    Sticking with ‘the boys’ who repeatedly don’t have any perceivable results to show on the ice that I can see, while watching other teams find massive results on ice, frustrates me more than losing.

    Because it fouls hope. It’s a seeming lack of the inspiration to want to be excellent, to innovate like the team once did when it excelled, instead being mired in narcissism and denial. Connor deserves better than that ugly.

  44. Scungilli Slushy says:

    oilersfan:
    Do you folks think we could get Kyle Palmieri for our first and Spooner?

    I don’t think we can wait 4 years for a first rounder to develop

    Without a doubt. Here’s how I see it:

    A soon 28 YO undersized winger whose best season 3 years ago was 30 goals and 57 points.

    This year he has 20 goals and 16 assists. Career he’s 143 goals and 136 assists. So he’s a small mid grade finisher at 4.65M. For example Chiasson has 17 goals at 650K. 75% of the player at 14% of the cost.

    A high first rounder and NHL player and cap space would be a smart trade for a mid level player heading out of prime, a perfect and smart deal for a lousy team. Important in a cap world.

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    oilersfan:
    Do you folks think we could get Kyle Palmieri for our first and Spooner?

    I don’t think we can wait 4 years for a first rounder to develop

    I don’t think the devils move away from KP until they find out what happens with Hall. If Hall decides to leave, the Devils probably have to burn it down and start fresh. That means selling off assets like KP. I do think KP would be an interesting acquisition though. Depending how the draft stacks up, I’m not sure I would trade a top 10 pick for him. Maybe a 20th kinda thing.

  46. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Hey OP, I’m on nightshift tonight and tomorrow. Post as early as you can!

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nice to wake up and see the Penguins beat the Ducks in regulation and the Ducks give up a 7 spot.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    Do you folks think we could get Kyle Palmieri for our first and Spooner?

    I don’t think we can wait 4 years for a first rounder to develop

    Sure we can – that’s what teams that contend for the Stanley Cup do.

    Aside from Lucic, all our “achnor contracts” expire in the next year or two. Of course, trying to move out salary should be a priority, however, with smart moves forward and patience, cap hell will alleviate somewhat within the next few years and, at the same time, this team will start to bear the fruits of better drafting and development with many prospect ready to battle for NHL job on merit. At least a few should “make it” and we should see some ELC contract where the player outperforms their cap hit.

    Be smart about asset management and this team will be in a position to make substantial improvements within a few years, with a young and talented core and NHL ready youngsters.

    Lets not forget, 1st round pick out for immediate help includes an expansion draft exempt asset out for a protect asset and that is a large consideration considering we are already set up to lose a Jones or Puljuarvi without bringin in another player that needs to be protected.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Hey OP, I’m on nightshift tonight and tomorrow.Post as early as you can!

    Does 2:15 am work for you? Off to the gym in 10 though – back at 4:30 to prep post-workout meal and some morning quiet time.

  50. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Does 2:15 am work for you? Off to the gym in 10 though – back at 4:30 to prep post-workout meal and some morning quiet time.

    Good morning!

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Morning buddy – excited for the game tonight…

    I anticipate some nice secondary scoring – Either Spooner or Rieder get on the board and Jesse scores again!

  52. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure we can – that’s what teams that contend for the Stanley Cup do.

    Aside from Lucic, all our “achnor contracts” expire in the next year or two. Of course, trying to move out salary should be a priority, however, with smart moves forward and patience, cap hell will alleviate somewhat within the next few years and, at the same time, this team will start to bear the fruits of better drafting and development with many prospect ready to battle for NHL job on merit.At least a few should “make it” and we should see some ELC contract where the player outperforms their cap hit.

    Be smart about asset management and this team will be in a position to make substantial improvements within a few years, with a young and talented core and NHL ready youngsters.

    Lets not forget, 1st round pick out for immediate help includes an expansion draft exempt asset out for a protect asset and that is a large consideration considering we are already set up to lose a Jones or Puljuarvi without bringin in another player that needs to be protected.

    Are you suggesting we start the next season with three top three forwards again? If so, do you think this affects team morale? It’s interesting OP, I think I’m a fairly reasonable, well measured guy, but I think that is a monumental mistake. I don’t think we should go out and trade the first round pick, but I do think they have to do something to make progress. I might feel different if JP or Yama light it up in let’s say the final 20 games.

  53. drglen says:

    At a certain point one should stop digging the hole any deeper. Do not trade a first round pick to anyone for anything. Do not trade JP. Do not trade kailer. You could trade Khaira, but don’t be anxious. Doesn’t look like Talbot is being traded mid seaons. I though for sure he’d be gone. But if a name goalie gets injured that could still happen.

  54. drglen says:

    as for tonight, forward, may as well send Joseph back down, if he’s only going to play 2 minutes or whatever. Is it Hebig time? I think it is. Or maybe patrick. Coach at least seemed to trust patrick to play 5 minutes instead of just 2.

    Kyle is being used correctly.

    Between Rieder, Rattie, and Spooner, ….. who do you play who do you sit? I say Rattie plays, the others sit. How is Tye on the PK? ( I’m asking, I don’t know)

  55. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar: .

    Be smart about asset management and this team will be in a position to make substantial improvements within a few years, with a young and talented core and NHL ready youngsters.

    Holy moly cut and paste from any offf season since… 1993?

    On the face of things I agree with the general argument regarding the asset, but wingers are needed pronto. But I am increasingly becoming a McDavidist… consult the oracle, what does He say? There is so little trust in the organization, can allegiences be shifted to the McDavid camp? Perhaps a new mantra of “get good player, do what He wants.”

    Tldr:
    If 97 is cool with putting off challenging for 3 years so am I.

  56. Glovjuice says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe the Spoilers should have got him a good coach like he had last summer. I know it’s a pretty outrageous move, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

    Actually they should fire all of the ancillary coaches because nobody has become better at goalering or skating.

    Sticking with ‘the boys’ who repeatedly don’t have any perceivable results to show on the ice that I can see, while watching other teams find massive results on ice, frustrates me more than losing.

    Because it fouls hope. It’s a seeming lack of the inspiration to want to be excellent, to innovate like the team once did when it excelled, instead being mired in narcissism and denial. Connor deserves better than that ugly.

    Yup, game two since my 90’s full on party grunge days not on the docket for me tonight. Plus the egregiously bad hour sucks. Gonna watch either the Ween, Cream, King Crimson, Rush, Sabbath, Neil, Sessions on west 54th, or Floyd Live in Pompeii DVD’s instead (with a whiskey sour and a bowl or two of 10/5 pot). Getting back into music DVDs. It’s time.

  57. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure we can – that’s what teams that contend for the Stanley Cup do.

    Aside from Lucic, all our “achnor contracts” expire in the next year or two. Of course, trying to move out salary should be a priority, however, with smart moves forward and patience, cap hell will alleviate somewhat within the next few years and, at the same time, this team will start to bear the fruits of better drafting and development with many prospect ready to battle for NHL job on merit.At least a few should “make it” and we should see some ELC contract where the player outperforms their cap hit.

    Be smart about asset management and this team will be in a position to make substantial improvements within a few years, with a young and talented core and NHL ready youngsters.

    Lets not forget, 1st round pick out for immediate help includes an expansion draft exempt asset out for a protect asset and that is a large consideration considering we are already set up to lose a Jones or Puljuarvi without bringin in another player that needs to be protected.

    So, OP, honest question: do you think this team is rebuilding again? I’m mean we are waiting for bad contracts for older players to come off the books before we contend. And that’s after playoffs once in 12/13 years and four first, a third, and 4th overall. I’m mean that’s crazy.

  58. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Gauging the Edmonton Oilers’ needs and tendencies for the 2019 NHL Draft

    https://theathletic.com/760235/2019/01/12/gauging-the-edmonton-oilers-needs-and-tendencies-for-the-2019-nhl-draft/

  59. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: Does 2:15 am work for you? Off to the gym in 10 though – back at 4:30 to prep post-workout meal and some morning quiet time.

    Do you only prep the post-workout meal after the workout, or do you actually get to eat it? :p

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen:
    as for tonight, forward, may as well send Joseph back down, if he’s only going to play 2 minutes or whatever.Is it Hebig time?I think it is. Or maybe patrick.Coach at least seemed to trust patrick to play 5 minutes instead of just 2.

    Kyle is being used correctly.

    Between Rieder, Rattie, and Spooner, ….. who do you play who do you sit?I say Rattie plays, the others sit. How is Tye on the PK?( I’m asking, I don’t know)

    Yamamoto is close to returning and he may actually be activated for tonight so, when he is, Joe G. goes down an noone gets called up.

    Condors are struggling to win in 2019 – the loss of Jones and Joe G. hurts them.

    Hebig stays (and likely wouldn’t be the call up anyways – neither Benson nor Hebig are NHL ready).

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Holy moly cut and paste from any offf season since… 1993?

    On the face of things I agree with the general argument regarding the asset, but wingers are needed pronto. But I am increasingly becoming a McDavidist… consult the oracle, what does He say? There is so little trust in the organization, can allegiences be shifted to the McDavid camp? Perhaps a new mantra of “get good player, do what He wants.”

    Tldr:
    If 97 is cool with putting off challenging for 3 years so am I.

    McDavid is 21 (not for much longer though) and in year 1 of an 8-year contract that will pay him a guaranteed $100M.

    In two years he’ll be 23/24 – about to enter his prime and still with 5-6 left on his contract.

    McDavid and the Oilers will be fine.

    I think McDavid is smart enough to know the situation and the risks of a fast track.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: So, OP, honest question: do you think this team is rebuilding again? I’m mean we are waiting for bad contracts for older players to come off the books before we contend. And that’s after playoffs once in 12/13 years and four first, a third, and 4th overall. I’m mean that’s crazy.

    Does it matter what its classified?

    Call it a re-build, call it a re-tool, call it a re-capitalization.

    I’m just looking at the reality of the situation and the time-frame isn’t long. I am more patient that most, I understand that, but I fear “fast-tracking” things puts a massive risk of making things worse (even with new management) and I’m willing to wait for the cap issues to alleviate without leaking more assets/value.

    I’m not saying management shouldn’t attempt to move contracts and find ways to improve, however, I am against forcing it.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: Do you only prep the post-workout meal after the workout, or do you actually get to eat it? :p

    Haha – don’t talk to me about food prep – I’ve got my meals prepped, portioned out and frozen literally 3 weeks in advance. Everything I can – 3 ounce portions of chicken, 1.5 ounce portions of chicken, 100g portions of cod, 150g portions of sweet potato, 100g portions of sweet potato – weeks worth prepped and frozen.

    I have my main daily salad chopped up, 5d in advance – every day, I prep a new one so I always have 5d worth of advanced salad’s prepped (can’t go any longer due to perishable).

    Same thing with my dry curd cottage cheese and fiber one snacks (which I eat 3X/day, so good) – i have 5d worth prepped and portioned out – can’t go out longer due to perishable.

    Yes, I have control issues with the food – I need it all prepped days in advance in order to feel mentally ready.

  64. Munny says:

    That guy…

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